The Country 21/11/25: Barry Soper talks to Jamie Mackay

We ask our political correspondent if Winston could ever go with Labour again and whether Chloe is indeed a "demonic eggbeater"? 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wrapping it with Barry Soper, a political correspondent, Barry straight
into it. Could Winston ever go with labor again?

Speaker 2 (00:08):
First of all, Jamie, was that Metallica you were coming
out of?

Speaker 1 (00:11):
No, that's ac DC And I know, Heather, did you
hear the go to Metallica?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
I went to Metallica. I never knew much about him,
but I loved it when I went there, I thought
it was great. The music I could maybe do without,
but it was a spectacular Night's Winston.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
It's the vibe, it's Marvo. Yeah, So tell me about
Winston and Labor.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Well, you know, I think not. I don't think he
will go with labor and at all, there's not even
a hint that he could go with it other than
that made by David Seymour. The thing is Winston and Chippy,
Chris Hipkins. They go back to the time when Winston
saw Jasinddurnan to Oppers. So he knows the cut of

(00:55):
Chippy's cloth fairly well. And he has said, whilst he
leads the Labor Party, there is no way New Zealand
First will go with them. And I think you've got
to take him out his word, even though he's done
on about base on the Regulatory Standards Act, but what
he would claim. And I don't know whether you heard
him this morning. And I was told by his office

(01:16):
yesterday that the original Act had a referendum attached to
it when it was voted on. He said he was overseas,
so wasn't there when Casey Costello got up and spoke
in favor of the legislation. That's no excuse really, But nevertheless,
he says, your campaign on no doubt reintroducing a referendum

(01:37):
to go with the Act.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, I think we're seeing the first struggles for power
within the coalition partners. I still get the feeling they
might cannibalize the NET or try to cannibalize the national
vote heading into the general election next year. And I
know you didn't hear Shane Jones, but he called Chloe
a demonic egg beta. Where does the stuff come from?
Where does it even come from?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I do not know what a demonic egg beater? Anyway,
I mean, they just turned how can you change it?
But anyway, look, I think you know the fact that
Chloe Swarbrick came out and said that she would revoke
any mining licenses if they were part of a government.

(02:19):
She hasn't said that it would be her bottom line,
but I'll tell you what. If it was her bottom line,
label would have to go against what it said it
would do if it got into governments, and that was
honor any commitments that had been made. So they're not
together on that. And if you look at that alternative,
you look at the Mouldi Party, which is no way
in the world ready to be part of a government

(02:42):
at the moment. A year on. Who knows, but I
doubt it.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Well Shane Shane said Debbie and Roweri were akin to
the moa about to become well, about to become extinct. Barry,
enjoy your weekend, gotta go.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Nice to talk to you.