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THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Thursday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Especially Power/...and Education/Word Salad/Crazy Genius
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Rewrap and welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
To the Rewrap for Thursday. All the best, but it's
from the mic asking Breakfast on Newstalk SIDB and a
Sillier package. I am Glenn Hart and today, So the
education does it has become a political education? Can we
just make it better? Mike's word solid issue and we're
going to do a little discussion on migaealopolis. Find out
(00:51):
what that is at the end of the podcast before
any of that. So, power generation, it's an emergency, it's
an emergency. It's still an emergency.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
A not unfair question to ask as we return to
the power crists of twenty twenty four, is are we
being told the full story? Ty for the third time,
third time has been asked to reduce power anex is
allegedly and throws of cutting another deal with the government
over gases. You just heard Windstone has already announced they're closing.
They're not alone. The Major Energy Users Group this week
is asking us, all of us to use less power.
(01:19):
So how bad is this? Who knows how bad this is?
Are they not telling us see. I read an article
that involves one of the mill workers right being laid off.
He talks of the meeting the other day where the
boss was in tears. A lot of people are in tears.
This is a town of one thousand people. Two hundred
and thirty are losing their jobs. People text me talk
of hedging. I mean, yes, you can hedge. It's not
an unfair point, but you can't hitch forever. And a
lot of the smaller players aren't using enough power to hitch.
(01:41):
A major point is not the hero now, as Simeon
was trying to point out, it's the fact. It's the
fact it's not a one off. Each and every winter,
Transpower tells us about cold mornings and supply issues. This
is at the same time that whatever the power companies
are investing in clearly doesn't cover the gap and clearly
doesn't take into account evs, data centers AI. If an
eliuminium smelter can't do what it wants to do, and
(02:03):
if a milk can't even open, we aren't really forging
ahead and a new tomorrow, are we? With AI and
data center springing up all over the place. Methodex is
now a company that sells gas, not produces methane. How
many people are giving up how much to scrape through?
And if we scrape through? What then? Apart from the
sigh of relief? What then? What's the plan? Is the
investment as it stands providing us with a future proof
(02:25):
level of power or not? Does anyone really know? I mean,
I don't blame the worker in the article, but he
asked why the government doesn't bail the mill out given
Mercury supply the power to the mill, and the government
owned a big steak in Mercury. See, when you're asking
questions like that, pretty much everything is broken.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
He's saying like that, like it's news. Didn't we all
know that everything's broken. Well, I've just been working under
the assumption that everything's broken for ages rewrap. So anyway,
I think they're going to gaffer it up. We've got
some emergency powers tucked away. They've decided it is enough
(03:00):
of emergency. Now, Well that affix it.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
It's the gen Taylor problem. So what they're producing is
all they can produce because the mechanism that they use
under whether it be when there is no wind blowing
at the moment, sola doesn't really work in this country.
And of course hydro hasn't rained. Therefore the lakes are down.
So what they're doing at the moment by bumping the
spot price is trying to convince you to use less.
In some cases it's so much less you can't open
(03:25):
your mill anymore. In some cases it's so much less
you can't make enough aluminium, and that then distributes the
power that you have around the place. It's a classic
supply demand. There is more demand than there is supply,
and they don't have the ability to increase the supply.
The only thing they can do, and I think it'll
come today, Transpower is probably going to announce that we
can dip into our emergency water reserves. But unless you're
(03:48):
making more, which is the thing that Simon was trying
to point out, unless you're making more, you have to
do less. And doing less is not an economic model,
and in that is the problem. And so what we need.
The most reliable thing is rain. We can't control the
rain and gas. To get gas, you got to look
for gas. Why aren't we looking for gas? That's right.
The dickheads who this country for the last six years
(04:10):
told us we weren't doing that. Anymore because we didn't
need to. How plain dumb wrong were they?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I feel like I'm an esteemed company now might cause
me a decade all the time, So you know, I'm
not the only one that's quite good rewrap. So I
think he's wanting the dickheads and the non dickheads to
sort of get together a bit with some policy decisions
which shouldn't really be that political.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
You wouldn't have thought just talk currently around the politicizing things.
You might have noted. This infrastructure seems to be the
main example. It's plausible in some places apparently, places like
New South Wales and Ireland. They appear to have been
able to have a half decent crack at depoliticizing infrastructure.
But I wonder if our system is just a little
bit too fragmented. Labour loves, for example, buses and trains
and bike lanes, national loves roads. How do you abridge
(04:55):
no pun intended that particular gap. Another example I would
hope could be would be education. I mean, the governments
received seventy eight applications for charter schools. We have been
here before when labor arrived after the last time ACT
had their hands on the lever of Chris Hepkins canceled them.
This time. There are more applications than there is funding,
so demand outstrips supply. Surely a good sign. Funding has
(05:16):
been set aside for fifty schools. Of that funding, thirty
five is for state schools to convert. Ask yourself a
simple question. Why would a state school want to convert?
Could it be they want to do things differently? Could
it be they see the model as it stands and
believe with some freedom and some individuality they can improve matters?
Next question, why would you object to that? Chris Hepkins did,
(05:37):
and he did because this party is wedded to the unions.
Of course, one of the biggest unions as the education
sector unions. And they like things the way they are.
They're in control, they call the shots, they have most
teachers and the team they can run. The program of
calling for endless funding increases and dust real action around
wages against this backdrop is reality, and boy has the
reality of the quality of what we do been laid
(05:59):
bare lately? Maths, reading, writing, science. The results don't lie,
and the results are in many cases shocking, and yet
still they don't want to try anything different. Still one
stop is the only way. Apparently. You may not love
charter schools, they may not be the magic bullet aku rule,
but when the system you support is such an obvious
and glaring failure, how is it possible to argue for
(06:20):
more of the same and nothing even slightly different? And
what does that say about our view of the world
and desire to succeed hard?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Somebody on with Ryan Bridge this morning talking about learning stories. Yeah,
they're talking about because they're talking about kids not having
the lang what it was, or the language skills. My
parents weren't sure whether they had the language skills required,
(06:48):
and then when they got their learning stories, they didn't
know what was happening. That's because nobody knows what a
learning story is. Stop making up things. You can't just
have school reports. As I always say, I've never been
a fan of school and I'm still not.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
The rewrap.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Okay, it's that time of year where start getting a
little bit scrambled. Everybody starts getting a bit fatigued. There's
no holidays in sight, and sometimes the words don't come
out right. Have you noticed that.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Reading that reading that phone number there? And I was
singing to myself. I did say supermoon and the introduction
to silver moon. So my sincere apologies for that, and
that I should probably go see somebody about that, because
in front of me was the word silver moon. I
know the name silver moon, so it's not like I'd
never heard of them before, and yet I said supermoon.
And the reason I said supermoon is I looked to
(07:41):
my left earlier on this morning and I saw the
supermoon out there. It's a beautiful morning where I am,
clear blue skies and the moon was still up because
it was having such a fun time because it's a big,
fat moon at the moment. It's how super it is,
how super it is, it hangs around all day. And
I looked at that moon, I went, what a great moon.
And then I thought of Nancy Griffith just once in
a very blue moon, beautiful song. If you never heard
Nancy griff look it up. And so by the time
(08:03):
I'd done all of that, and that was just in
the ad break. This is the sort of crazy stuff
that's going on in my head in the air break.
And then I come back out and I interview some
bloke who happens to run a company called Supermoon, tied
up to Supermoon. I mean I could have called grunt
doll in the head of supermoon. He was just lucky
he was on later.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
So that's your that's your word salad, isn't it? Which
I thought was a Denny Crane who suffered from that
on Boston Legal and then you'd just say mad cow.
Now now I'm saying that, am I misremembering that? It was?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It actually.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
James Spader's character, whose name I can't actually, for the
life of me remember either. Was that him who had
the word selling? Oh my god, Now I can't remember everything. Ah,
it's it's contagious therap. I can't help wondering if it's
all because we blew Mike's mind. Earlier on this morning,
with the latest Francis Ford Coppola.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Movie trending now with You're One Star for Father's Day Fragrances.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Probably the weirdest movie of the year, has been in
the making for forty years, so the trailers dropped this morning.
This is Francis Ford Coppola, you know The Godfather, Drake
and Apocalypse. Now he's got a new one out. It's
called Megalopolis.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
From visionary writer and director Francis Ford Coppola comes an
event nothing can prepare you for.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Imagine today's society has a branch of civilization about to
reach a dead end. Is this way we're living the
only one that's available to us? My plan, which I
say that people can dream about.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
People don't need dreams, people need help.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Now enjoy the show, one hippiey. There's still so much
to accomplish. But is there time?
Speaker 4 (09:58):
See it's not going to be a hit. Although part
of the beginning of the trailer and It's important to
watch it says when you put out the original stuff
the Godfather, everyone pays and it rubbished it, said it
was weird, it would go nowhere, and it turns out
to be classics. So he's arguing that there was going
to be a classic in time, and you probably can't
see it because you're not sophisticated enough. Anyway, it stars
Adam Driver. I'm certainly not sophisticated enough because I watched
(10:20):
and I thought this was just weird craps going nowhere. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
See, I watched and I thought this looks so cool.
So maybe I'm more sophisticated than you, who.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Knew no no, that's not true, Okada, Lawrence, but good
for raising it. Adam Driver, Lawrence Fitzpburn, Aubrey Plaza who
everybody loves, Sherla Booth, John Voight, Dustin Hoffman's in there,
so he's not sort of talent. It's in theaters September
twenty seven. He's spent forty years and one hundred and
(10:47):
twenty million of his own money to make this thing,
and he even sold his winery and Napper and I'll
pay for it. He's either crazy or a genius.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Most people have agreed that he's a genius. That's why
he's won awards and stuff. But also, you can't be
crazy and a genius, can't you. That's what I strive
to be anyway, And I'll be back for more crazy
genius tomorrow. See then.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
For more from News Talk st B. Listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk SEDB. Follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Rewrap and welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
To the Rewrap for Thursday. All the best, but it's
from the mic asking Breakfast on Newstalk SIDB and a
Sillier package. I am Glenn Hart and today, So the
education does it has become a political education? Can we
just make it better? Mike's word solid issue and we're
going to do a little discussion on migaealopolis. Find out
(00:51):
what that is at the end of the podcast before
any of that. So, power generation, it's an emergency, it's
an emergency. It's still an emergency.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
A not unfair question to ask as we return to
the power crists of twenty twenty four, is are we
being told the full story? Ty for the third time,
third time has been asked to reduce power anex is
allegedly and throws of cutting another deal with the government
over gases. You just heard Windstone has already announced they're closing.
They're not alone. The Major Energy Users Group this week
is asking us, all of us to use less power.
(01:19):
So how bad is this? Who knows how bad this is?
Are they not telling us see. I read an article
that involves one of the mill workers right being laid off.
He talks of the meeting the other day where the
boss was in tears. A lot of people are in tears.
This is a town of one thousand people. Two hundred
and thirty are losing their jobs. People text me talk
of hedging. I mean, yes, you can hedge. It's not
an unfair point, but you can't hitch forever. And a
lot of the smaller players aren't using enough power to hitch.
(01:41):
A major point is not the hero now, as Simeon
was trying to point out, it's the fact. It's the
fact it's not a one off. Each and every winter,
Transpower tells us about cold mornings and supply issues. This
is at the same time that whatever the power companies
are investing in clearly doesn't cover the gap and clearly
doesn't take into account evs, data centers AI. If an
eliuminium smelter can't do what it wants to do, and
(02:03):
if a milk can't even open, we aren't really forging
ahead and a new tomorrow, are we? With AI and
data center springing up all over the place. Methodex is
now a company that sells gas, not produces methane. How
many people are giving up how much to scrape through?
And if we scrape through? What then? Apart from the
sigh of relief? What then? What's the plan? Is the
investment as it stands providing us with a future proof
(02:25):
level of power or not? Does anyone really know? I mean,
I don't blame the worker in the article, but he
asked why the government doesn't bail the mill out given
Mercury supply the power to the mill, and the government
owned a big steak in Mercury. See, when you're asking
questions like that, pretty much everything is broken.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
He's saying like that, like it's news. Didn't we all
know that everything's broken. Well, I've just been working under
the assumption that everything's broken for ages rewrap. So anyway,
I think they're going to gaffer it up. We've got
some emergency powers tucked away. They've decided it is enough
(03:00):
of emergency. Now, Well that affix it.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
It's the gen Taylor problem. So what they're producing is
all they can produce because the mechanism that they use
under whether it be when there is no wind blowing
at the moment, sola doesn't really work in this country.
And of course hydro hasn't rained. Therefore the lakes are down.
So what they're doing at the moment by bumping the
spot price is trying to convince you to use less.
In some cases it's so much less you can't open
(03:25):
your mill anymore. In some cases it's so much less
you can't make enough aluminium, and that then distributes the
power that you have around the place. It's a classic
supply demand. There is more demand than there is supply,
and they don't have the ability to increase the supply.
The only thing they can do, and I think it'll
come today, Transpower is probably going to announce that we
can dip into our emergency water reserves. But unless you're
(03:48):
making more, which is the thing that Simon was trying
to point out, unless you're making more, you have to
do less. And doing less is not an economic model,
and in that is the problem. And so what we need.
The most reliable thing is rain. We can't control the
rain and gas. To get gas, you got to look
for gas. Why aren't we looking for gas? That's right.
The dickheads who this country for the last six years
(04:10):
told us we weren't doing that. Anymore because we didn't
need to. How plain dumb wrong were they?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I feel like I'm an esteemed company now might cause
me a decade all the time, So you know, I'm
not the only one that's quite good rewrap. So I
think he's wanting the dickheads and the non dickheads to
sort of get together a bit with some policy decisions
which shouldn't really be that political.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
You wouldn't have thought just talk currently around the politicizing things.
You might have noted. This infrastructure seems to be the
main example. It's plausible in some places apparently, places like
New South Wales and Ireland. They appear to have been
able to have a half decent crack at depoliticizing infrastructure.
But I wonder if our system is just a little
bit too fragmented. Labour loves, for example, buses and trains
and bike lanes, national loves roads. How do you abridge
(04:55):
no pun intended that particular gap. Another example I would
hope could be would be education. I mean, the governments
received seventy eight applications for charter schools. We have been
here before when labor arrived after the last time ACT
had their hands on the lever of Chris Hepkins canceled them.
This time. There are more applications than there is funding,
so demand outstrips supply. Surely a good sign. Funding has
(05:16):
been set aside for fifty schools. Of that funding, thirty
five is for state schools to convert. Ask yourself a
simple question. Why would a state school want to convert?
Could it be they want to do things differently? Could
it be they see the model as it stands and
believe with some freedom and some individuality they can improve matters?
Next question, why would you object to that? Chris Hepkins did,
(05:37):
and he did because this party is wedded to the unions.
Of course, one of the biggest unions as the education
sector unions. And they like things the way they are.
They're in control, they call the shots, they have most
teachers and the team they can run. The program of
calling for endless funding increases and dust real action around
wages against this backdrop is reality, and boy has the
reality of the quality of what we do been laid
(05:59):
bare lately? Maths, reading, writing, science. The results don't lie,
and the results are in many cases shocking, and yet
still they don't want to try anything different. Still one
stop is the only way. Apparently. You may not love
charter schools, they may not be the magic bullet aku rule,
but when the system you support is such an obvious
and glaring failure, how is it possible to argue for
(06:20):
more of the same and nothing even slightly different? And
what does that say about our view of the world
and desire to succeed hard?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Somebody on with Ryan Bridge this morning talking about learning stories. Yeah,
they're talking about because they're talking about kids not having
the lang what it was, or the language skills. My
parents weren't sure whether they had the language skills required,
(06:48):
and then when they got their learning stories, they didn't
know what was happening. That's because nobody knows what a
learning story is. Stop making up things. You can't just
have school reports. As I always say, I've never been
a fan of school and I'm still not.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
The rewrap.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Okay, it's that time of year where start getting a
little bit scrambled. Everybody starts getting a bit fatigued. There's
no holidays in sight, and sometimes the words don't come
out right. Have you noticed that.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Reading that reading that phone number there? And I was
singing to myself. I did say supermoon and the introduction
to silver moon. So my sincere apologies for that, and
that I should probably go see somebody about that, because
in front of me was the word silver moon. I
know the name silver moon, so it's not like I'd
never heard of them before, and yet I said supermoon.
And the reason I said supermoon is I looked to
(07:41):
my left earlier on this morning and I saw the
supermoon out there. It's a beautiful morning where I am,
clear blue skies and the moon was still up because
it was having such a fun time because it's a big,
fat moon at the moment. It's how super it is,
how super it is, it hangs around all day. And
I looked at that moon, I went, what a great moon.
And then I thought of Nancy Griffith just once in
a very blue moon, beautiful song. If you never heard
Nancy griff look it up. And so by the time
(08:03):
I'd done all of that, and that was just in
the ad break. This is the sort of crazy stuff
that's going on in my head in the air break.
And then I come back out and I interview some
bloke who happens to run a company called Supermoon, tied
up to Supermoon. I mean I could have called grunt
doll in the head of supermoon. He was just lucky
he was on later.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
So that's your that's your word salad, isn't it? Which
I thought was a Denny Crane who suffered from that
on Boston Legal and then you'd just say mad cow.
Now now I'm saying that, am I misremembering that? It was?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It actually.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
James Spader's character, whose name I can't actually, for the
life of me remember either. Was that him who had
the word selling? Oh my god, Now I can't remember everything. Ah,
it's it's contagious therap. I can't help wondering if it's
all because we blew Mike's mind. Earlier on this morning,
with the latest Francis Ford Coppola.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Movie trending now with You're One Star for Father's Day Fragrances.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Probably the weirdest movie of the year, has been in
the making for forty years, so the trailers dropped this morning.
This is Francis Ford Coppola, you know The Godfather, Drake
and Apocalypse. Now he's got a new one out. It's
called Megalopolis.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
From visionary writer and director Francis Ford Coppola comes an
event nothing can prepare you for.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Imagine today's society has a branch of civilization about to
reach a dead end. Is this way we're living the
only one that's available to us? My plan, which I
say that people can dream about.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
People don't need dreams, people need help.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Now enjoy the show, one hippiey. There's still so much
to accomplish. But is there time?
Speaker 4 (09:58):
See it's not going to be a hit. Although part
of the beginning of the trailer and It's important to
watch it says when you put out the original stuff
the Godfather, everyone pays and it rubbished it, said it
was weird, it would go nowhere, and it turns out
to be classics. So he's arguing that there was going
to be a classic in time, and you probably can't
see it because you're not sophisticated enough. Anyway, it stars
Adam Driver. I'm certainly not sophisticated enough because I watched
(10:20):
and I thought this was just weird craps going nowhere. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
See, I watched and I thought this looks so cool.
So maybe I'm more sophisticated than you, who.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Knew no no, that's not true, Okada, Lawrence, but good
for raising it. Adam Driver, Lawrence Fitzpburn, Aubrey Plaza who
everybody loves, Sherla Booth, John Voight, Dustin Hoffman's in there,
so he's not sort of talent. It's in theaters September
twenty seven. He's spent forty years and one hundred and
(10:47):
twenty million of his own money to make this thing,
and he even sold his winery and Napper and I'll
pay for it. He's either crazy or a genius.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Most people have agreed that he's a genius. That's why
he's won awards and stuff. But also, you can't be
crazy and a genius, can't you. That's what I strive
to be anyway, And I'll be back for more crazy
genius tomorrow. See then.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
For more from News Talk st B. Listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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