October 13, 2024 • 13 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Monday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) We're Out Right Now/Make Yourself at Home/Guarding Is Hard Work/How Many People Does it Take to Make Chaos?/Christmas Starts Now
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from Newstalk SEDB. Follow this
and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio The Rewrap.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Okay there and welcome to the Rewrap for Monday. All
the best, but it's from the Mic Casking Breakfast on
Newstalks EDB and a Sillia package. I am Glen Hart today.
What is the Future Fund? What does it mean? What's
it all about? How much would you want to be
paid to guard a UK train media coverage in this
coverage and in this country? And what's wrong with it?
(00:48):
And is it too early for Christmas? Merch? But before
any of that, sorry, there's nobody here. We've all left.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
So yes, more numbers, more records, and the wrong sort
of records. I'm a plate to tell your stats department
and form us that a record eighty one thousand, two
hundred New Zealanders left the country in the past year.
That's like all of Parmerston North just up and off
the entire everyone in Palmston North gone. Are never before
have we scarpered in such large groups? Here's my fear.
(01:15):
As well as record numbers leaving, smaller and smaller numbers
are actually arriving. So a several fold issue. I would
have thought. Firstly, you might expect post COVID a good
number of locals to bail, But it's years after COVID now,
and still they go, and they go for reasons that
are well understood. Currently Basically, we're a bit crap and
if you're young, there's a big, wide world out there
and a lot of interesting, potentially more upbeat places to be.
(01:37):
Then you've got the arrivals. Although immigration is good and
we need a couple of things are happening there. Firstly,
too many of the wrong people have arrived because we
had our settings all wrong. They came from comparatively few
countries as well, i e. China, India, and the Philippines.
Then those numbers are now slowing dramatically, which means as
arrivals fall, those leaving stay at record levels, net gains
will eventually reach zero or worse go backwards. So we're
(02:01):
going backwards. This is bad economically and it's bad reputationally.
My great fear as overall the young people see, I
still love this country, and I love it because I've
been around long enough to have seen it when it
was hot, when it was a rock star, when it
was a magnet. But if you're young, and I look
at our kids are their perception of New Zealand's been
shaped by COVID lockdowns and rules and bands and economic carnage.
(02:23):
Ask any teacher about the behavior, the outlook, the attitude
of the lockdown generation. It breaks your heart. They have
never seen a booming New Zealand. So who can blame
them for getting out? Who can blame the laid off,
for example, the mill worker from the middle of the
North Island for suddenly heading to Australia. Things, of course
will come right, there are signs already the turnaround is on.
(02:43):
But what you don't want in immigration as too many foreigners.
Foreigners tipping the balance based on the fact that locals
hate the place and got out. Immigration should be about growth,
not replacing those who have left.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So I remember what he said there. Immigration should be
about growth, not replacing those who have left. Meanwhile, I
don't mind it. I hate youuing for stuff. There's less people,
presumably there's less cues.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
It's got rewraps.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
So anyway, on there, we're replacing people who have left there.
That doesn't apply to foreign investors though, Ay we want
them in. Is that right?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
It sounds good on paper or indeed in front of
you fans, but we need more detail, don't we, on
the so called future Fund than the one hundred billion
it will raise and the tax and centivization that will
be needed to get the money in here in the
first place, it's the new New Zealand First policy. They
celebrated their thirty first get together over the weekend. As
I'm sure you're well aware, Peter's got a reasonable amount
of coverage. Didn't have too much of the old days
(03:36):
about it, where the television cameras wander around looking for
weirdo's to say funny things. Think about the government generally
as it tends to give you an element of credibility,
and I think that's what we're seeing. In fact, you
could argue after thirty one odd years, New Zealand First
is having its best days ever. I mean, yes, they've
been in power numerous times, but so far touch Wood
this time seems actually to be going smoothly. We've had
nothing of the previous friction. It is indeed early days.
(03:59):
Of course, that's currently helped by the fact that the
government is traveling well and are solid in the polls
and looks set to hold on for a good crack
at another term. Indeed, the so called green shoots were
seeing that the moment might well turn into a period
next year or into twenty twenty six of decent growth
and whether it will come the election year optimism that
will see you return for another three years. Peters previously
(04:20):
and most certainly this time, is proving to be an
outstanding foreign minister as well, and helped in no small
part but the fact the previous one was historically useless.
But this future fund he talks of, this is a
key ingredient, the ability for foreign investors to truly be
part of the country. And to do that you need
to be able to buy a house. They can't buy
a house because of New Zealand First's policy that doesn't
(04:41):
allow it, which seems dichotomus, does it not national compromise?
You might remember in coalition talks carved out foreign houses
as those over two million bucks still not good enough
for New Zealand First. So it's a failed idea, probably
the biggest mistake actually National made giving it away. You
need foreigners, That part is needing debated these days. We
need them for labor as well as money as well
(05:01):
as culture as well as population growth. To help that,
they need to feel like this is a place they
can call home. The easiest way to achieve that is
to allow them to set up shop in a house.
I'm convinced the policy will eventually be tipped over, but
until it is, you can talk about future funds all
you want. You can talk about foreign investment all you want,
but the door has to be open, not partially open,
(05:22):
not open with caveats. We aren't a big enough deal
globally to be forcing such a large compromise.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It'd all got a bit confusing. This morning, Mike was
talking to Winston Peters about with what kind of foreigners
Winston likes and doesn't like. It's the ones with lots
of money and are the ones that he likes. They
can do whatever they want, buy whatever they want. He
doesn't want people just buying a house and you're not
living it, and otherwise Winston's going to come and knock
(05:50):
on your door and say are you there, and if
you're not, you'll be in big chop traps right to
the UK now. And yeah, it's been a bit of
a struggle for Kirstarma so far. I mean, pay disputes
to their frightened cinder, including on the trains.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Here Starma in Britain. Part of the reason he's underwater,
to the tune of minus thirty eight is that and
listen to this. This is everything that's wrong. If you
can look around the world at the moment, there's a
theme developing. Look at the labor government in New Zealand
useless got thrown out of office. Look at the labor
government in Australia, hopeless being caned and if they went
to the election today they would lose one term government.
Look at Kio Starmer. He only celebrated, if that's the word,
(06:29):
one hundred days on Saturday, and he's buggered the place already.
You've never seen a guy cock the place up faster
than Kiyo Starmer. He's given the train guards six hundred
bucks a week if if they work a five day week.
This is called an overtime deal. Normally they work four
days a week, and this was designed to stop staff
(06:53):
going on strike every Saturday this month, which they had
threatened to do. And typically if you work more than
a four day week, you paid time and a half
for the Saturday, plus they got a nine and a
half percent pay rise as well, and you wonder why
people were a bit aggrieved at that.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I guess if all of that instantly makes the trains
run on time, turn up when they're supposed to, and
get to where they're going when they're supposed to, then
people won't be agrieved all they they'll be happy. But
I know I don't know exactly what the cause and
the effect is.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
There's the rewrap.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Oh, it's just the way the story was covered. Mike
always critical of the way stories are covered. It seems
no more so than now.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You will make that I did not ask Winston Peters
about the protests over the weekend. The reason I didn't
ask Winston Peters about the protest over the weekend as
I'm trying my best to separate myself out from the
rest of the media, whom I'm increasingly embarrassed by. If
two hundred and fifty people had turned up yesterday and
rampaged through the doors, screaming and yelling and causing absite, well,
(08:01):
as one one outlet put it chaos, I went, oh, yes, chaos.
What sort of chaos were were there too? Or was
there only one person? I sort of couldn't work out
was that. I think there was certainly no more than two.
One was a rabid woman and one was a person
behind a mask. I couldn't work out we're therefore there
were four people. Four people does not chaos make nor
(08:23):
is it a news story. And every time the media
is accused of being out of touch, this is a
very good example. Four people is not news in an
event that should get proper coverage and wasn't getting proper
coverage the moment four people turned up because suddenly four
people became the news. And until the media understand that,
(08:45):
they will never understand why the bulk of New Zealand
don't like them the way they used to.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So yeah, referring there to some statistics that came out
out of the last few days that sixty percent of
us avoid the news if we can. That's not new
for me. There's nothing happened recently. I've always avoid it,
like the play. My life would be a lot easier
(09:10):
without in new news, I'll tell you that. But yes,
I think you could have a few Four people can
make chaos. I mean, there's three of us working on
the Breakfast Show, and we make chaos on pretty much
a daily basis.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
A rerap.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It was chaos and the warehouse yesterday. Here's Mike talking
about a little bit of what was causing that chaos.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
All the ins and the ouse. It's the fizz with
business favor. Take your business productivity to the next level.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It's unions for you. Is it time to talk about
Christmas world? Yes and no? So far this month I October.
Mariah Carey has said it is too early to start
playing Christmas songs, and she's correct. But what about the
shops and the Christmas products came out in the warehouse.
They've already got the Christmas range countdown Woolworths. You're seeing
the advent calendars already now. According to brand tracking platform Tracksuit,
(10:06):
were a bit split in terms of Christmas advertising. So
what we got is forty nine percent of us thinks
I think brands should hold out until at least November
to launch the Christmas ad So let's call that virtually
half the country. Thirty six percent say Christmas in October
or earlier is acceptable. So forty nine thirty six. I'd
say it's a wind to us because I'm on the
(10:27):
forty nine anyway. Most of the people are going to
of those thirty six of the early planners, because twenty
two percent of us say that we start thinking and
planning for Christmas six months in the bunch. Now, that's
not the same as seeing an advent calendar, seeing something
on sale in July and going oh, yeah, dorisal like that.
I just might slip that aside. I did that last week.
I got a thing. I can't say because the person
(10:48):
will be listening and they'll go, oh, that's for me.
But I got a thing last week.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I said, now that those are the extra large box
of more teasers, and I was at the warehouse. No
it wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
But I got a thing last week. I thought, no,
that's a good gift, you see. So, but I don't
want to see the advertising or the songs. So you
can be you can be sort of across that spectrum.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah. So I was a little bit taken aback when
I went to the wet House yesterday to buy a
four point Moggie board board, because they've got them for
four bucks at the wet House. That's hard to beat.
But I walked in there and I saw and there
was there's a lot of Halloween stuff in there. Of course,
(11:27):
as we ramp up towards the end of the month
for that, and then obviously they've done what you know
I've done in the past too. You go up into
the storage space to get your Halloween degradations down and say, oh,
I might as well get the Christmas degreations down while
I'm up there. Saved me given to do it all
over again. I'm sure that's what's happened at the Wethouse
as well, because all the Christmas stuff was out as well,
(11:49):
and there was one family I presumer there were only
one family, maybe it was a couple of different families.
There were sending a lot of feeral kids running around
with screen masks on, and if I was a parent,
I'd be saying, hey, you can't wear that until we've
paid for it. But anyway, and there's one family in
particular who standing there in the middle of the aisle
(12:10):
and they just have piles of both Halloween and Christmas
stuff and were having an argument about exactly which bits
that they needed and which. It wasn't like a violent argument,
it was one of those sort of resigned arguments where
they just sort of tiredly are arguing with each other
about who needs what, and all the while there was
a couple of kids sort of standing there, one of
(12:33):
them holding a pretend mace, you know, like a chain
with a spiky ball on the end of it, and
he was just whacking his mother with it repeatedly, and
she was just completely ignoring him. And I said, oh, man,
the humanity you see on a Sunday afternoon at the
warehouse sometimes. And I was filled with Christmas festive Christmas spirit.
(12:57):
And on that note, we'll see you back here again tomorrow,
just about Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
By then. For more from NEWSTALKSTB, listen live on air
or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you
go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from Newstalk SEDB. Follow this
and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio The Rewrap.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Okay there and welcome to the Rewrap for Monday. All
the best, but it's from the Mic Casking Breakfast on
Newstalks EDB and a Sillia package. I am Glen Hart today.
What is the Future Fund? What does it mean? What's
it all about? How much would you want to be
paid to guard a UK train media coverage in this
coverage and in this country? And what's wrong with it?
(00:48):
And is it too early for Christmas? Merch? But before
any of that, sorry, there's nobody here. We've all left.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
So yes, more numbers, more records, and the wrong sort
of records. I'm a plate to tell your stats department
and form us that a record eighty one thousand, two
hundred New Zealanders left the country in the past year.
That's like all of Parmerston North just up and off
the entire everyone in Palmston North gone. Are never before
have we scarpered in such large groups? Here's my fear.
(01:15):
As well as record numbers leaving, smaller and smaller numbers
are actually arriving. So a several fold issue. I would
have thought. Firstly, you might expect post COVID a good
number of locals to bail, But it's years after COVID now,
and still they go, and they go for reasons that
are well understood. Currently Basically, we're a bit crap and
if you're young, there's a big, wide world out there
and a lot of interesting, potentially more upbeat places to be.
(01:37):
Then you've got the arrivals. Although immigration is good and
we need a couple of things are happening there. Firstly,
too many of the wrong people have arrived because we
had our settings all wrong. They came from comparatively few
countries as well, i e. China, India, and the Philippines.
Then those numbers are now slowing dramatically, which means as
arrivals fall, those leaving stay at record levels, net gains
will eventually reach zero or worse go backwards. So we're
(02:01):
going backwards. This is bad economically and it's bad reputationally.
My great fear as overall the young people see, I
still love this country, and I love it because I've
been around long enough to have seen it when it
was hot, when it was a rock star, when it
was a magnet. But if you're young, and I look
at our kids are their perception of New Zealand's been
shaped by COVID lockdowns and rules and bands and economic carnage.
(02:23):
Ask any teacher about the behavior, the outlook, the attitude
of the lockdown generation. It breaks your heart. They have
never seen a booming New Zealand. So who can blame
them for getting out? Who can blame the laid off,
for example, the mill worker from the middle of the
North Island for suddenly heading to Australia. Things, of course
will come right, there are signs already the turnaround is on.
(02:43):
But what you don't want in immigration as too many foreigners.
Foreigners tipping the balance based on the fact that locals
hate the place and got out. Immigration should be about growth,
not replacing those who have left.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So I remember what he said there. Immigration should be
about growth, not replacing those who have left. Meanwhile, I
don't mind it. I hate youuing for stuff. There's less people,
presumably there's less cues.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
It's got rewraps.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
So anyway, on there, we're replacing people who have left there.
That doesn't apply to foreign investors though, Ay we want
them in. Is that right?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
It sounds good on paper or indeed in front of
you fans, but we need more detail, don't we, on
the so called future Fund than the one hundred billion
it will raise and the tax and centivization that will
be needed to get the money in here in the
first place, it's the new New Zealand First policy. They
celebrated their thirty first get together over the weekend. As
I'm sure you're well aware, Peter's got a reasonable amount
of coverage. Didn't have too much of the old days
(03:36):
about it, where the television cameras wander around looking for
weirdo's to say funny things. Think about the government generally
as it tends to give you an element of credibility,
and I think that's what we're seeing. In fact, you
could argue after thirty one odd years, New Zealand First
is having its best days ever. I mean, yes, they've
been in power numerous times, but so far touch Wood
this time seems actually to be going smoothly. We've had
nothing of the previous friction. It is indeed early days.
(03:59):
Of course, that's currently helped by the fact that the
government is traveling well and are solid in the polls
and looks set to hold on for a good crack
at another term. Indeed, the so called green shoots were
seeing that the moment might well turn into a period
next year or into twenty twenty six of decent growth
and whether it will come the election year optimism that
will see you return for another three years. Peters previously
(04:20):
and most certainly this time, is proving to be an
outstanding foreign minister as well, and helped in no small
part but the fact the previous one was historically useless.
But this future fund he talks of, this is a
key ingredient, the ability for foreign investors to truly be
part of the country. And to do that you need
to be able to buy a house. They can't buy
a house because of New Zealand First's policy that doesn't
(04:41):
allow it, which seems dichotomus, does it not national compromise?
You might remember in coalition talks carved out foreign houses
as those over two million bucks still not good enough
for New Zealand First. So it's a failed idea, probably
the biggest mistake actually National made giving it away. You
need foreigners, That part is needing debated these days. We
need them for labor as well as money as well
(05:01):
as culture as well as population growth. To help that,
they need to feel like this is a place they
can call home. The easiest way to achieve that is
to allow them to set up shop in a house.
I'm convinced the policy will eventually be tipped over, but
until it is, you can talk about future funds all
you want. You can talk about foreign investment all you want,
but the door has to be open, not partially open,
(05:22):
not open with caveats. We aren't a big enough deal
globally to be forcing such a large compromise.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It'd all got a bit confusing. This morning, Mike was
talking to Winston Peters about with what kind of foreigners
Winston likes and doesn't like. It's the ones with lots
of money and are the ones that he likes. They
can do whatever they want, buy whatever they want. He
doesn't want people just buying a house and you're not
living it, and otherwise Winston's going to come and knock
(05:50):
on your door and say are you there, and if
you're not, you'll be in big chop traps right to
the UK now. And yeah, it's been a bit of
a struggle for Kirstarma so far. I mean, pay disputes
to their frightened cinder, including on the trains.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Here Starma in Britain. Part of the reason he's underwater,
to the tune of minus thirty eight is that and
listen to this. This is everything that's wrong. If you
can look around the world at the moment, there's a
theme developing. Look at the labor government in New Zealand
useless got thrown out of office. Look at the labor
government in Australia, hopeless being caned and if they went
to the election today they would lose one term government.
Look at Kio Starmer. He only celebrated, if that's the word,
(06:29):
one hundred days on Saturday, and he's buggered the place already.
You've never seen a guy cock the place up faster
than Kiyo Starmer. He's given the train guards six hundred
bucks a week if if they work a five day week.
This is called an overtime deal. Normally they work four
days a week, and this was designed to stop staff
(06:53):
going on strike every Saturday this month, which they had
threatened to do. And typically if you work more than
a four day week, you paid time and a half
for the Saturday, plus they got a nine and a
half percent pay rise as well, and you wonder why
people were a bit aggrieved at that.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I guess if all of that instantly makes the trains
run on time, turn up when they're supposed to, and
get to where they're going when they're supposed to, then
people won't be agrieved all they they'll be happy. But
I know I don't know exactly what the cause and
the effect is.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
There's the rewrap.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Oh, it's just the way the story was covered. Mike
always critical of the way stories are covered. It seems
no more so than now.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You will make that I did not ask Winston Peters
about the protests over the weekend. The reason I didn't
ask Winston Peters about the protest over the weekend as
I'm trying my best to separate myself out from the
rest of the media, whom I'm increasingly embarrassed by. If
two hundred and fifty people had turned up yesterday and
rampaged through the doors, screaming and yelling and causing absite, well,
(08:01):
as one one outlet put it chaos, I went, oh, yes, chaos.
What sort of chaos were were there too? Or was
there only one person? I sort of couldn't work out
was that. I think there was certainly no more than two.
One was a rabid woman and one was a person
behind a mask. I couldn't work out we're therefore there
were four people. Four people does not chaos make nor
(08:23):
is it a news story. And every time the media
is accused of being out of touch, this is a
very good example. Four people is not news in an
event that should get proper coverage and wasn't getting proper
coverage the moment four people turned up because suddenly four
people became the news. And until the media understand that,
(08:45):
they will never understand why the bulk of New Zealand
don't like them the way they used to.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
So yeah, referring there to some statistics that came out
out of the last few days that sixty percent of
us avoid the news if we can. That's not new
for me. There's nothing happened recently. I've always avoid it,
like the play. My life would be a lot easier
(09:10):
without in new news, I'll tell you that. But yes,
I think you could have a few Four people can
make chaos. I mean, there's three of us working on
the Breakfast Show, and we make chaos on pretty much
a daily basis.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
A rerap.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It was chaos and the warehouse yesterday. Here's Mike talking
about a little bit of what was causing that chaos.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
All the ins and the ouse. It's the fizz with
business favor. Take your business productivity to the next level.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It's unions for you. Is it time to talk about
Christmas world? Yes and no? So far this month I October.
Mariah Carey has said it is too early to start
playing Christmas songs, and she's correct. But what about the
shops and the Christmas products came out in the warehouse.
They've already got the Christmas range countdown Woolworths. You're seeing
the advent calendars already now. According to brand tracking platform Tracksuit,
(10:06):
were a bit split in terms of Christmas advertising. So
what we got is forty nine percent of us thinks
I think brands should hold out until at least November
to launch the Christmas ad So let's call that virtually
half the country. Thirty six percent say Christmas in October
or earlier is acceptable. So forty nine thirty six. I'd
say it's a wind to us because I'm on the
(10:27):
forty nine anyway. Most of the people are going to
of those thirty six of the early planners, because twenty
two percent of us say that we start thinking and
planning for Christmas six months in the bunch. Now, that's
not the same as seeing an advent calendar, seeing something
on sale in July and going oh, yeah, dorisal like that.
I just might slip that aside. I did that last week.
I got a thing. I can't say because the person
(10:48):
will be listening and they'll go, oh, that's for me.
But I got a thing last week.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I said, now that those are the extra large box
of more teasers, and I was at the warehouse. No
it wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
But I got a thing last week. I thought, no,
that's a good gift, you see. So, but I don't
want to see the advertising or the songs. So you
can be you can be sort of across that spectrum.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah. So I was a little bit taken aback when
I went to the wet House yesterday to buy a
four point Moggie board board, because they've got them for
four bucks at the wet House. That's hard to beat.
But I walked in there and I saw and there
was there's a lot of Halloween stuff in there. Of course,
(11:27):
as we ramp up towards the end of the month
for that, and then obviously they've done what you know
I've done in the past too. You go up into
the storage space to get your Halloween degradations down and say, oh,
I might as well get the Christmas degreations down while
I'm up there. Saved me given to do it all
over again. I'm sure that's what's happened at the Wethouse
as well, because all the Christmas stuff was out as well,
(11:49):
and there was one family I presumer there were only
one family, maybe it was a couple of different families.
There were sending a lot of feeral kids running around
with screen masks on, and if I was a parent,
I'd be saying, hey, you can't wear that until we've
paid for it. But anyway, and there's one family in
particular who standing there in the middle of the aisle
(12:10):
and they just have piles of both Halloween and Christmas
stuff and were having an argument about exactly which bits
that they needed and which. It wasn't like a violent argument,
it was one of those sort of resigned arguments where
they just sort of tiredly are arguing with each other
about who needs what, and all the while there was
a couple of kids sort of standing there, one of
(12:33):
them holding a pretend mace, you know, like a chain
with a spiky ball on the end of it, and
he was just whacking his mother with it repeatedly, and
she was just completely ignoring him. And I said, oh, man,
the humanity you see on a Sunday afternoon at the
warehouse sometimes. And I was filled with Christmas festive Christmas spirit.
(12:57):
And on that note, we'll see you back here again tomorrow,
just about Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
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