November 11, 2025 • 11 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Wednesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) And the Cover-Up/The Trouble with Guns/That Idealism vs Reality Thing Again/It Is Rocket Science
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
The Rewrap. Okay there and welcome to the Rewrap for Wednesday.
All the best but's from the my casting breakfast on
news Talk said Be and a sillier package. I am
Glen Hand. Today we've got gun laws which look surprisingly
like the existing gun laws. The next bit of trouble
(00:45):
for the Maori Party is Labor doesn't want to be
there for end anymore, which might actually be more trouble
for Labor than it is for the Mariti Party. And
then we're going to finish up with some rocket lad
news and it might not be the news that you
wanted to hear. But before any of that, the IPCA
report looks like we've got a lot of dirty cops.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I hope you're going to ask Ginny about her knowledge
of cost a skullduggery when she was at the Policeman. Well,
of course I will, but there isn't any The word
skullduggery is interesting, and I'll come back to that in
just a couple of moments. But this don't try and
drag this into a political thing, because It isn't Ginny's
clean labors clean. They made a bad appointment in Costa.
He was hopeless. But that's not what we're talking about
(01:30):
this morning, Mike. Have Costa was clean beforehand? Why did
he compromise his integrity? Why does anybody compromise their integrity?
Did mix Skimming have dirt on him? Did mix Skimming
have dirt on others? Where did mix Skimming get all
his houses from? See? This is what I worry about now.
Mix Skimming's got a couple of houses. To be blunt
and without sounding like a snob, they're regular, every day
(01:51):
average houses. They'll be worth three or four million dollars
if you've worked most of your life in a reasonably
high paying job, plus you've got a pension scheme. There
are plenty of New Zealanders with houses like that. He's
not a overtly wealthy man, so don't try and draw
too many things in there as to his integrity. You know,
ask yourself, why does anybody behave the way they do? Mike.
I hope these police who have been involved we'll see
(02:12):
the full force of the law. That's an interesting question.
Is negligence illegal? Is skullduggery? A crime. Did they look
away because mc skimming was their mate or did they
know Mick Skimming was a crook and look away? Therefore,
they're different equations, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Ah, it makes you feel gross and yeah, a lot
of questions up in the air, A lot of questions
remain unanswered at this point. We rewrap leadership, a lot
of questions around leadership as well. And I think we've
all had questions around leadership in our lives, haven't we.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Mike I had drilled into me that you cannot contract
out of negligence of cost, or has found to have
acted negligently in carrying out his duty, then the consequences
need to reflect the severity of his inn action. Well,
I mean what consequences. I mean he's going to lose
his job, presumably this new social agency, or whatever the
case may be, Martie. Mike's of the public are absolutely
justifiably furious with a mixed skimming debarcle and the miscreant
lose a leadership who protected him. Can you imagine how
(03:08):
current serving policemen and women feel. It's beyond sickening. It's
a funny thing. You It's a fair point. And I'm
not a police person obviously. But I've worked in organizations
where leadership has failed abysmally, and I've never taken that
on board personally, because it isn't about me, and I've
always gone about my job. And I would imagine in
(03:29):
a police force which is fifteen thousand strong, you have little,
if any control. I mean, obviously, I would have thought
if you've got a good police minister, and you've got
a good police commissioner, and if you look at the
top ranks and you're going yet they're good people. If
feel better about yourself in general, it goes without saying,
I would have thought. And equally, if you've got idiots
running the place, you've got to be a bit depressed.
But it's not on you, and it's not about you,
(03:52):
and it shouldn't necessarily adjust your attitude and the way
you do your job, or that would be my take.
Having worked for places run by a complete clowent, I
always enjoyed doing my job, even though the idiots at
the top didn't have the slightest idea. In the book,
by the way, I will name names, so.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Sometimes it's almost like they're doing it deliberately.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Isn't it Almost you look at them, and you go,
are you accidentally that useless? Or are you just setting
out to be that incompetent.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I always claim that I'm doing it on purpose because
I think I'd rather be bad, rather be good at
being bad, then just be bad. You know what I mean?
It doesn't make any sense. Okay, rewrap. So we've got
a tightening up of our gun laws. Fine, but this
is to been a long time coming. This thing.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Doesn't it seem like a thing until it wasn't? Guns?
I think are like flu ride, aren't they? Or masm?
The old masm gets people a bit angsty. Out of
Christ ex came the idea that gun law needed amending.
The amending got another look when acts came to power,
because they are libertarians and people who broadly speaking, have
a common sense view of the world, and the idea
that the more you restrict weaponry, the less likely you
(04:57):
are to have a massacre is of course nonsense. And
like so many things that you do in hipkin, Zerra
was responsible for real world policy for real world behavior.
Wasn't really one of them nutters get guns. The fact
Tarrant God legally didn't change the equation. And that's before
you get to the bit this is not a country
of hot head crazies with a long list of violent massacres.
It is true we have a lot of guns per
head of population, but that reflects our outdoors and rural
(05:19):
lifestyles as opposed to an American type view of defending yourself. Anyway,
Nicole McKee, straight from the gun side of the equation,
was going to have a look and from that came
the expectation that some sort of major liberalization was coming,
but it was not to be. Yesterday was more, as
it turned out, a bit of a dabble than a revolution.
And the fact McKee and Act have invoked agree to
disagree as either as sign a political maturity or seething
(05:41):
anger or possibly both. If you listen to Mark Mitchell
around the police's role and the Firearm Safety Authority National
will never budget. There is some stuff there about three
D printing which makes sense, but overall it puts this
whole exercise into the category of a review, not an overhaul.
I never thought personally listening of access to the so
called MSSA weapons was a major but I get a
(06:02):
lot of people would have. In a way. It's a
good example of the disconnect I think really between the
country and the city. The city would be a gasp
those sort of guns because the city doesn't use guns,
or get it, most gun owned as a regular people
burdened by a regular thinking of the adouns who couldn't
or wouldn't know one need of a gun from another.
The key was from the other side of the argument,
but ultimately lost. That's politics, So carry on. Then the
(06:26):
angst was wasted. Nothing to see here.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Why would he have started that by trying to link
it with fluoride in the mainstream media and any other
conspiracy bearer that you could think of, But you're just
asking for it at that point? Is that what he's
doing is just poking the conspiracy bear. I hate the
conspiracy beer. That's so bad. Tippered rewrap. Now we're all
well aware of the eruptions within Tafati Mary. At the moment,
(06:53):
it seems like Labor not really a fan, which is
a bit of anish for them if they want to
get back into government, you know, like everlight the.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Old message I thought yesterday from Labor over the Maori
Party as they try and work out how to deal
with them, The truth is they will need them to
form a gun if they get their numbers to a
point of victory. Now there's no way the Greens and
Labor alone will come close to crossing the line first.
So small reiteration in case you missed it a month
or so back. None of this matters because the current
government will be re elected on what I am calling
(07:22):
November seven, twenty twenty six, election day. But for argument's sake,
the Hitkins comments that they're going to campaign vigorously in
Maurory seats with no concern. If that happens with no
concern that you know it might mean they wipe the
Maorray Party out. It rings awfully hollow given I watched
them campaign vigorously the other day in the Auckland Maray
seat and two things happened. One no one turned up
(07:44):
and two those that did vote for the Murray Party.
It was the most shockingly inept display of modern campaigning,
or lack of it, have seen in many a long year.
My guess is what's happening to the Maray Party will
not affect the vote for the Murray Party. White Tea
and Co. Are clearly liked in their seats and there
is no reason to believe they won't get back further.
Most of the Labour candidates will be on the list anyway,
so why not get two for one? Which brings us
back to yesterday's so called announcement. It's a sham talk tough,
(08:07):
get ahead line, hope it flies. The big, big issue
for Labor, apart from the fact that they're still poisoned
by their last stab of power, is the fact they
are so called partners and nuts and most of us
know it. Vote for Labor all you want, if you
can stomach the incompetence. But having done that, stand by
for the circus that comes with the Greens and the
Mari Party. It's calamitous with a capital calamitus. At some point,
Hipkins will have to face the fact we need some detail.
(08:30):
Who's out, what are the bottom lines? That's where the
real rubber hits the road for the voter. Yesterday's hot
air exercise seen for what it is.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, there's always this weird vibe you get from Labor,
the gap between their idealism and our reality. Because yes,
it'd be great if they could just spom rogue perspective
coalition partners, but that's not the most practical thing to do.
(09:01):
Is it. They don't often seem you know, it'd be
great to tax all the billionaires and so the non
billionaires don't have to pay as much. But if you
make business too hard for billionaires, they take their business
somewhere else. You know. There's all that sort of stuff,
isn't it. We know that it would be nice to
live in the world that they like to live in,
but they can't quite make it happen practically. There's a
(09:23):
gap bear the re wrap. Actually, speaking of billions, guess
how much Rocket Labs as work. Not perhaps quite as
much as it should be because of this whole delayed
launch thing.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Rocket Lab, by the way, yesterday they delayed that first
flight on the Neutron. The neutron is the one that's
going to potentially take people, which will be next level
for Rocket Lab. I'm interested. Also, they're still losing money,
which is one of those fascinating things of modern business.
You can be worth an absolute fortune and Beck justifiably so.
I suppose there's a billionaire and a lot of the
(09:55):
people he started the company with the multi multi multimillionaires,
if not billionaires, because the market cap is huge. But
they're still losing money and they won't make money until
the Neutron gets The Neutron was due to go this year,
it's now next year. So this all came out of
their third quarter runnings. Their market cap is sitting at
about twenty five billion dollars. It won't break into black
(10:16):
until the Neutron is launched.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, do you want your rocket named after a bomb?
I think bezos? Bezos Bezos. How can one of the
richest people in the world, How can I not know
what his name is? Anyway, Blue Origin, I think their
new big rocket is winning the race at the moment,
(10:40):
just because it's called the New Glen, which is I mean,
come on, if it's named for a rocket ever, a
New Glen. He doesn't want to ride on the New
Glean wherever it's going. Yeah, you don't want to ride
the Neutron, that's for sure. And what's the what's enon
masks one? I mean the starship and it goes on
the super Heavy. It's not very good marketing, is it. No, No,
(11:04):
everybody wants to hop on board the New Glen. I'll
see you there the Old Glynn and I'll see you
back here again tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
For more from News Talks at b listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk said Be.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
The Rewrap. Okay there and welcome to the Rewrap for Wednesday.
All the best but's from the my casting breakfast on
news Talk said Be and a sillier package. I am
Glen Hand. Today we've got gun laws which look surprisingly
like the existing gun laws. The next bit of trouble
(00:45):
for the Maori Party is Labor doesn't want to be
there for end anymore, which might actually be more trouble
for Labor than it is for the Mariti Party. And
then we're going to finish up with some rocket lad
news and it might not be the news that you
wanted to hear. But before any of that, the IPCA
report looks like we've got a lot of dirty cops.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I hope you're going to ask Ginny about her knowledge
of cost a skullduggery when she was at the Policeman. Well,
of course I will, but there isn't any The word
skullduggery is interesting, and I'll come back to that in
just a couple of moments. But this don't try and
drag this into a political thing, because It isn't Ginny's
clean labors clean. They made a bad appointment in Costa.
He was hopeless. But that's not what we're talking about
(01:30):
this morning, Mike. Have Costa was clean beforehand? Why did
he compromise his integrity? Why does anybody compromise their integrity?
Did mix Skimming have dirt on him? Did mix Skimming
have dirt on others? Where did mix Skimming get all
his houses from? See? This is what I worry about now.
Mix Skimming's got a couple of houses. To be blunt
and without sounding like a snob, they're regular, every day
(01:51):
average houses. They'll be worth three or four million dollars
if you've worked most of your life in a reasonably
high paying job, plus you've got a pension scheme. There
are plenty of New Zealanders with houses like that. He's
not a overtly wealthy man, so don't try and draw
too many things in there as to his integrity. You know,
ask yourself, why does anybody behave the way they do? Mike.
I hope these police who have been involved we'll see
(02:12):
the full force of the law. That's an interesting question.
Is negligence illegal? Is skullduggery? A crime. Did they look
away because mc skimming was their mate or did they
know Mick Skimming was a crook and look away? Therefore,
they're different equations, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Ah, it makes you feel gross and yeah, a lot
of questions up in the air, A lot of questions
remain unanswered at this point. We rewrap leadership, a lot
of questions around leadership as well. And I think we've
all had questions around leadership in our lives, haven't we.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Mike I had drilled into me that you cannot contract
out of negligence of cost, or has found to have
acted negligently in carrying out his duty, then the consequences
need to reflect the severity of his inn action. Well,
I mean what consequences. I mean he's going to lose
his job, presumably this new social agency, or whatever the
case may be, Martie. Mike's of the public are absolutely
justifiably furious with a mixed skimming debarcle and the miscreant
lose a leadership who protected him. Can you imagine how
(03:08):
current serving policemen and women feel. It's beyond sickening. It's
a funny thing. You It's a fair point. And I'm
not a police person obviously. But I've worked in organizations
where leadership has failed abysmally, and I've never taken that
on board personally, because it isn't about me, and I've
always gone about my job. And I would imagine in
(03:29):
a police force which is fifteen thousand strong, you have little,
if any control. I mean, obviously, I would have thought
if you've got a good police minister, and you've got
a good police commissioner, and if you look at the
top ranks and you're going yet they're good people. If
feel better about yourself in general, it goes without saying,
I would have thought. And equally, if you've got idiots
running the place, you've got to be a bit depressed.
But it's not on you, and it's not about you,
(03:52):
and it shouldn't necessarily adjust your attitude and the way
you do your job, or that would be my take.
Having worked for places run by a complete clowent, I
always enjoyed doing my job, even though the idiots at
the top didn't have the slightest idea. In the book,
by the way, I will name names, so.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Sometimes it's almost like they're doing it deliberately.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Isn't it Almost you look at them, and you go,
are you accidentally that useless? Or are you just setting
out to be that incompetent.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I always claim that I'm doing it on purpose because
I think I'd rather be bad, rather be good at
being bad, then just be bad. You know what I mean?
It doesn't make any sense. Okay, rewrap. So we've got
a tightening up of our gun laws. Fine, but this
is to been a long time coming. This thing.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Doesn't it seem like a thing until it wasn't? Guns?
I think are like flu ride, aren't they? Or masm?
The old masm gets people a bit angsty. Out of
Christ ex came the idea that gun law needed amending.
The amending got another look when acts came to power,
because they are libertarians and people who broadly speaking, have
a common sense view of the world, and the idea
that the more you restrict weaponry, the less likely you
(04:57):
are to have a massacre is of course nonsense. And
like so many things that you do in hipkin, Zerra
was responsible for real world policy for real world behavior.
Wasn't really one of them nutters get guns. The fact
Tarrant God legally didn't change the equation. And that's before
you get to the bit this is not a country
of hot head crazies with a long list of violent massacres.
It is true we have a lot of guns per
head of population, but that reflects our outdoors and rural
(05:19):
lifestyles as opposed to an American type view of defending yourself. Anyway,
Nicole McKee, straight from the gun side of the equation,
was going to have a look and from that came
the expectation that some sort of major liberalization was coming,
but it was not to be. Yesterday was more, as
it turned out, a bit of a dabble than a revolution.
And the fact McKee and Act have invoked agree to
disagree as either as sign a political maturity or seething
(05:41):
anger or possibly both. If you listen to Mark Mitchell
around the police's role and the Firearm Safety Authority National
will never budget. There is some stuff there about three
D printing which makes sense, but overall it puts this
whole exercise into the category of a review, not an overhaul.
I never thought personally listening of access to the so
called MSSA weapons was a major but I get a
(06:02):
lot of people would have. In a way. It's a
good example of the disconnect I think really between the
country and the city. The city would be a gasp
those sort of guns because the city doesn't use guns,
or get it, most gun owned as a regular people
burdened by a regular thinking of the adouns who couldn't
or wouldn't know one need of a gun from another.
The key was from the other side of the argument,
but ultimately lost. That's politics, So carry on. Then the
(06:26):
angst was wasted. Nothing to see here.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Why would he have started that by trying to link
it with fluoride in the mainstream media and any other
conspiracy bearer that you could think of, But you're just
asking for it at that point? Is that what he's
doing is just poking the conspiracy bear. I hate the
conspiracy beer. That's so bad. Tippered rewrap. Now we're all
well aware of the eruptions within Tafati Mary. At the moment,
(06:53):
it seems like Labor not really a fan, which is
a bit of anish for them if they want to
get back into government, you know, like everlight the.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Old message I thought yesterday from Labor over the Maori
Party as they try and work out how to deal
with them, The truth is they will need them to
form a gun if they get their numbers to a
point of victory. Now there's no way the Greens and
Labor alone will come close to crossing the line first.
So small reiteration in case you missed it a month
or so back. None of this matters because the current
government will be re elected on what I am calling
(07:22):
November seven, twenty twenty six, election day. But for argument's sake,
the Hitkins comments that they're going to campaign vigorously in
Maurory seats with no concern. If that happens with no
concern that you know it might mean they wipe the
Maorray Party out. It rings awfully hollow given I watched
them campaign vigorously the other day in the Auckland Maray
seat and two things happened. One no one turned up
(07:44):
and two those that did vote for the Murray Party.
It was the most shockingly inept display of modern campaigning,
or lack of it, have seen in many a long year.
My guess is what's happening to the Maray Party will
not affect the vote for the Murray Party. White Tea
and Co. Are clearly liked in their seats and there
is no reason to believe they won't get back further.
Most of the Labour candidates will be on the list anyway,
so why not get two for one? Which brings us
back to yesterday's so called announcement. It's a sham talk tough,
(08:07):
get ahead line, hope it flies. The big, big issue
for Labor, apart from the fact that they're still poisoned
by their last stab of power, is the fact they
are so called partners and nuts and most of us
know it. Vote for Labor all you want, if you
can stomach the incompetence. But having done that, stand by
for the circus that comes with the Greens and the
Mari Party. It's calamitous with a capital calamitus. At some point,
Hipkins will have to face the fact we need some detail.
(08:30):
Who's out, what are the bottom lines? That's where the
real rubber hits the road for the voter. Yesterday's hot
air exercise seen for what it is.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, there's always this weird vibe you get from Labor,
the gap between their idealism and our reality. Because yes,
it'd be great if they could just spom rogue perspective
coalition partners, but that's not the most practical thing to do.
(09:01):
Is it. They don't often seem you know, it'd be
great to tax all the billionaires and so the non
billionaires don't have to pay as much. But if you
make business too hard for billionaires, they take their business
somewhere else. You know. There's all that sort of stuff,
isn't it. We know that it would be nice to
live in the world that they like to live in,
but they can't quite make it happen practically. There's a
(09:23):
gap bear the re wrap. Actually, speaking of billions, guess
how much Rocket Labs as work. Not perhaps quite as
much as it should be because of this whole delayed
launch thing.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Rocket Lab, by the way, yesterday they delayed that first
flight on the Neutron. The neutron is the one that's
going to potentially take people, which will be next level
for Rocket Lab. I'm interested. Also, they're still losing money,
which is one of those fascinating things of modern business.
You can be worth an absolute fortune and Beck justifiably so.
I suppose there's a billionaire and a lot of the
(09:55):
people he started the company with the multi multi multimillionaires,
if not billionaires, because the market cap is huge. But
they're still losing money and they won't make money until
the Neutron gets The Neutron was due to go this year,
it's now next year. So this all came out of
their third quarter runnings. Their market cap is sitting at
about twenty five billion dollars. It won't break into black
(10:16):
until the Neutron is launched.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, do you want your rocket named after a bomb?
I think bezos? Bezos Bezos. How can one of the
richest people in the world, How can I not know
what his name is? Anyway, Blue Origin, I think their
new big rocket is winning the race at the moment,
(10:40):
just because it's called the New Glen, which is I mean,
come on, if it's named for a rocket ever, a
New Glen. He doesn't want to ride on the New
Glean wherever it's going. Yeah, you don't want to ride
the Neutron, that's for sure. And what's the what's enon
masks one? I mean the starship and it goes on
the super Heavy. It's not very good marketing, is it. No, No,
(11:04):
everybody wants to hop on board the New Glen. I'll
see you there the Old Glynn and I'll see you
back here again tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
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