August 28, 2024 • 41 mins
Recently Bill Belichick made some comments on the "millionaire's tax" in Massachusetts. Dan wants to know if you agree with his comments.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
All Right, welcome back everybody. It is now a little bit.
Let's say about eleven o seven here as we head
TOORG the midnight hour. The Red Sox. One earlier tonight,
I'm Brian Bellow. Came up with a veyo. Came up
with a pretty good performance. I think you threw eight
innings of shutout baseball, and the Red Sox beat the
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Blue Jays to tie up this series two games to two.
But the Red Sox need to win much more than
they lose if they have any hopes of making the playoffs.
But that's the story for another night. If you were
out there tonight, I'd love to get any reaction.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm going to give you some options here. Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
We we talked earlier tonight with doctor Marty McCarey. Uh
talked talked about the banning of cell phones in in schools, which.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I think it's got to that point. I really do.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
But you can pick up on any of that conversation
if you'd like. Also, I thought that our guest last hour,
Scott Allen Curly, is an extraordinary guy. This is a
guy with nine convictions, spent a decade behind bars. I
mean almost lost, you know, his entire existence, because once
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you've spent ten years behind bars, it's tough to break
that cycle. But he was able to do it. And
if you listened last hour, I hope if you missed
Last Hour, please listen to it at night side and
demand because it was an extraordinary hour just hearing his
story and one subject that came up today which I
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thought was sort of interesting, and I hope some of
you might feel the same way. Bill Belichick, who is
out of the coaching game at least for a year.
I'm convinced that a year from now Belichick will be
back as a coach. He's only a few wins away
from the the most wins of any head coach in
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the NFL. But Belichick had some comments about the Massachusetts
millionaires tax. That was a ballot question that was approved
in twenty twenty two by a narrow margin fifty two
to forty eight percent, in which very few people obviously
are millionaires, and so most people, when you give them
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a chance to tax someone else who may be making
more money than they do, the instinctive reaction is, hey.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Why not. You know it's not going to call I'm
not a millionaire. It's not going to cost me anything.
Why not?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
It's as simple as that. You know, if they had
a ballot question that said, you know, if you're left handed,
you got to pay an extra four percent on your
state in them tax. Well, everybody who's right hand, they're
they're going to vote for that. Simple, as simple as that.
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So Bill Belichick made a point. He was interviewed by
The Herald. Well he was he was interviewed, excuse me
on on a podcast and there was a story in
The Herald Today which which picked up on Who's on
ESPN's Pat McAfee show. You know, I like to give
credit where credit is due, and he talked about the
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practical impact of the millionaire's tax in Massachusetts. So, in Massachusetts,
if you make over a million dollars, and name me
a professional athlete that doesn't make over a million dollars,
I think.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
You probably can find some, but not many.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Major League minimum is still less than a million dollars.
But most players in the NFL, even those on taxi squads,
make make good coin.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And if you successful, if you're successful as a professional athlete,
you were you were handsomely rewarded, handsomely rewarded. But there's
a disparity, and that disparity is between certain states. So
you have a state like Massachusetts, which hits a pro athlete,
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or for that matter, anyone who's a business person who's
extremely successful, they pay five percent on their first million dollars.
Of course, everybody pays the same in your federal income taxes.
You got to understand that doesn't matter where you live California, Tennessee, Hawaii, Alaska, Massachusetts.
Federal incompact applies across the board. Different people have different
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exemptions and they have different deductions, and so there are
ways in which certain people are able to minimize their
taxes legally within the confines of the Internal Revenue CALLDE.
But if you you're a pro athlete, and let's say
whatever your sport is, they say, well, we're going to
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give you would like to give you a one hundred
million dollar contract five years for twenty million dollars. That's
not an exceptional contract anymore in professional sports Baseball, football,
Maybe it's an exceptional in hockey, which is probably across
the board the lowest paid.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But those.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Those salaries in the NHL are going up as well,
certainly the NBA. So you will have to pay your
federal income tax as everyone would. You might have deductions,
maybe you make more charitable deductions.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
However, However, if you live in Massachusetts and you're going
to pay the full tax in Massachusetts, you're going to
pay five percent in the first.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Million and then nine percent on the other million.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So in this case, you'd be paying an additional fourteen
additional four percent above and beyond the the the flat
five rate, which means, when you think about it, you're
gonna pay a lot of money. I mean a lot
of money, uh, to Massachusetts. If you were to, let's say,
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play for a team in Tennessee, whether it's the Tennessee Titans,
or play for a team in Nevada, the now the
Las Vegas Raiders, or a team in Florida, the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
They are in Texas. They don't have state income Texas.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So Bill Belichick brought that to everyone's attention. Rob play
for me if you would, Bill Belichick, it's cut number
thirteen yesterday on this podcast.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
What's that millionaire's tax about? It's strictly.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah, Taxachusetts. Yeah, so virtually every player, even a practice
squad well not, but even the minimum players are are
pretty close to a million dollars. And so one you
hit that million dollar threshold, then then you pay more
state tax in Massachusetts. So yeah, just another thing you
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got to contend with the negotiations up there. It's not
like Tennessee or you know, Florida or Nevada or some
of these teams that have no state income tax. So
you get, you know, you get, you get hit pretty
hard on that. You know, with the agents, they'll they'll
come and sledge hire me you down about you know,
texattacks they're paying.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, and I think that's a factor. And as we
go through, we had some great championship season, six super
Bowls with the Patriots. We're all rooting for the Patriots,
we root for all the Boston teams. And the Celtics
may have a pretty big payroll. They do, so they
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apparently are not impacted as much by that. But if
you're a Patriots fan and you're going to be checking
out to Gillette Stadium and you are upset that maybe
the Patriots draft choice, they can hold a draft choice
for I think it's whatever it is six years before
they then can achieve free agency same way in baseball.
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I mean the Red Sox, they they weren't able to
They signed the free agents this year, but they didn't
have any of what they call the premier free agents.
And you have to wonder does that millionaire's tax impact Now,
maybe it doesn't, I don't know, Maybe you don't care.
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But if we are a big we're a state of
big sports fans, and this is a secondary impact of
that millionaire's tax. There's a lot of people that are
leaving Massachusetts. And the people who are leaving Massachusetts are
the ones who have contributed. According to the article in
the Boston Herald, taxpayers are fleeing Massachusetts at a rate
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that cost the state roughly three point nine billion dollars two.
So you want to have a healthy state, and you
want to have a state that obviously attracts people, not
a state that basically says to people who are going
to make a lot of money, you really don't want
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to come here and have an option. And if you're
a young athlete who may have a I don't know,
an earning potential for four or five years or at
most seven or eight, you want to make the money
and you want to be able to bank as much
of the money as you can, because that might be
and in most cases it probably will be the greatest
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earning power that you will ever have.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
So I'd like.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
To just throw out whatever you want to talk about.
I'd love to talk about this, because I did raise
this at the time. I was opposed to the passage
of the millionaire's tax because I think that short term, yeah,
it will help short term, but long term, I think
it is very very nearsighted, and long term it's going
to call more problems. And immediately you're seeing it with
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the sports teams and you watch you see where the
most the most highly compensated free agents in all the
major sports end up. The Celtics have been lucky, they
have drafted well and they have put together a championship team.
How long will that team be able to stay together
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as well as a factor six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty.
It's interesting. Bill Belichick called it out, and I hope
it's always tough to explain numbers on radio, because first
of all, you can't see the numbers. I hope I've
done a good job or an adequate job explaining the numbers.
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If I have and you agree or disagree, and you
think we should nail those athletes, those multimillion dollar athletes,
nail them for as much money as we can, feel
free to join the conversation. I don't think that's fair,
but maybe you're going to disagree. Maybe if you agree,
I'd love to hear from me as well. Back on
Night's side right after this.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Let's go to the phones again.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I think that you know a lot of people if
the Patriots don't have a great season this year, and
I think that that is a pretty good possibility, a
transition year. They've drafted their the people they want to draft.
But you always have to have some free agents, and
sometimes you need really good free agents. And I'm not
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sure that the Patriots at this point are are blessed
with some great free agent signings. I don't know, frankly
one free agent signing. And I would also mention when
Tom Brady decided to leave Gillette Stadium and the Patriots,
remember with State, he ended up playing football and then
winning his seventh Super Bowl Tampa Bay, Florida. No state
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income tax that might have been a factor in his
consideration as well.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Let me go to Will in Long Island.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Hey Will, thanks for getting this going here on the
eleven o'clock hour.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
How are you tonight?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Hey Dan?
Speaker 5 (12:13):
You know I'm not as concerned with the sports aspect
of it, although I can obviously see if I were
going to sign a twenty million dollar contract. Let's break
down the numbers quickly. Okay, how much is going to
my agent? Probably ten percent. Let's not forget my lawyers.
Let's not forget my accountants. Let's not forget all of
these people that I pay before I see a nicol.
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Let's not forget my thirty something percent federal income tax
that I have to pay. Now you're telling me on
top of that, after every million I made, I already
gave five percent to State of Massachusetts on top of
my state tax. This is my million are tax? Now
I have to give them another nine percent?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
No, I go out. Well, let me make it clear.
You got it five percent.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
On there on the second million from.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
One million in one dollar, the state tax goes right
nine percent, So you write it now paid five percent.
The extra is the extra four percent.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
I'm extra four percent over up to nine percent. I'm
the next nineteen million yes, sir, okay, if I have
a twenty million dollar contract. Okay, now you put all
those other numbers into there, you know, with everybody else
that I'm paying. So I'm going to go out. I'm
going to work this hard to become the best in
the world. That what I want to do. And on
top of all these other people and the country I
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have to pay. You're telling me I have to pay
Massachusetts nine more percent. And by the way, when something
goes up nine percent or down nine percent, that is
a significant amount of money to me, to you, and
to everyone else. Okay. If our GDP fell nine percent tomorrow,
the country would crash. Okay, nine percent is huge on
your bottom line. It's not like, oh, well, they're millionaires,
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they can afford it. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I just did the numbers.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
So that extra, that extra four percent, okay, on the
nineteen million dollar is in a hypothetical twenty million dollar player.
That means that that player above and beyond what they
would have played if they you know, we're here five
years ago or ten years ago, they will pay an
extra seven hundred and sixty thousand dollars for the privilege
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of playing in New England. Now, if you if you
knock that all off and you say, you know, the
twenty million dollars, uh, and you're talking about the five
percent okay, which of course is another figure here.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
In MASSATONI A million.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's going to be well right, So.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Here's here's the bottom line.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Okay, here's the bottom line. Let's take it out of
the context to athletes because you can, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Let me just let me just give it to your question.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
That means a pro football player makes twenty million dollars
in Massachusetts is going to pay one million, seven hundred
and sixty thousand dollars in Massachusetts.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Not you mentioned that three six million that he's going
to pay the federal government and everyone else that he's
going to pay.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Compare that, to compare that to what he would play
if he signed a contract with the Miami Dolphins, the
Dallas Cowboys, the Tennessee Titles, lost, the Las Vegas Raiders,
he would pay nothing. So therefore, if I'm the agent,
I'm going to say, and by the way, if we're
talking like a five year contract, here twenty million dollars,
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which is not uncommon.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
One hundred million dollar contract, which is very racial.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That's going to cost him close to close to eight
million dollars down the drain.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
So let's now for your listeners, because I'm really you know,
I'm month into economics and socialism versus capitalism and all
the pitfalls of socialism that people try to gussie up
and make it seem like it would be great for
this country. Now, let's put into into, you know, a
real life scenario for your listeners. Let's take it off
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sports for a second, because there's going to be a
lot of people below. I screw these athletes to make
too much money anyway. Now right now, let's call it
world renowned heart surgeons in Massachusetts. Now let's call it
contractors and builders and people that build homes. You have
a mass exodus of taxpayers, but you have a mass
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influx of people that don't pay taxes and live off
your system. That is a recipe for bankruptcy. I live
in a state that is about to do that. California
is a perfect example of that. The third largest GDP
in the world had a surplus under a Republican Ish
governor okay, and now they're on the brink of financial collapse.
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This is how you take a well run economy and
destroy it. See, people don't understand. They think the athlete.
Now Bill Belichick brought up, think about the best doctors
in the world not wanting to come to Massachusetts anymore.
Think about the best contractors and builders and the greatest
minds in the world don't want to come to your
state because you've driven them out. Now, let's extrapolate that
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into the country. Because wealthy people are not citizens of
the United States. They're citizens of the world. And you
drive them out of this nation to other nations, they
leave with their wealth, the same way the United States
attracted all that wealth from European countries that were doing
the same thing. You are driving them out of here.
One last thing before I go. I live in New York.
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I'm driving out to Pennsylvania this last weekend. I'm the
guy that puts money in every cup at this I'm
just that guy. If I go to foreign countries, I
got bills flying out of my pocket all over the
place to all the kids that are hungry. And so
I just am that person. So I'm driving by and
there's a guy walking down the middle of the Parkway,
and I'm pull over to put money in this cup,
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and I'm looking at all the New Yorkers drive by him,
all these people that could give a good money directly
to him, all these liberals, supposedly, all these left wing
people that just pass them by. The guy's crippled and everything,
veteran signs, everything, he's just passing by. Let me explain
something to you Democrats. Okay, it is neither virtuous nor
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noble to give away other people's money. Okay, live by example.
Thanks Dan, you gut it.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Will Greyclaw is always there's no doubt.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But let me go to Matt a little closer to
home and brighton Matt your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I know you're a sports guy.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Thank you, and then hell it done.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I think I'm doing great. Will's a tough act to follow. Men,
he was good tonight.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Go right ahead.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Oh, I mean, he's a good act to follow. But
you know, you know what, then, facts and numbers speak,
volumes and statistics. Let me let me say something that
you and I probably both know, the Rule five draft.
The MLB works on a Rule five draft system, where essentially,
if you are not signed outside of the top. Okay,
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I've cut it down twenty rounds recently. In the MLB draft.
I'm sure you know, it used to be forty rounds
where people were signing in the thousands, in the thousands,
not of only dollars, but in the thousands of numbers.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
They had to cut it down.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
So these guys in real five drafts are now getting
signed by teams like the Reds off that. I'll name
you a couple guys. Garrett Whitlock no longer with them
at the time that this happened, but he with the Yankees,
he was some guys named Ben Ruda, some guys named Yaoyaki.
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Some of these guys who are young, talented guys, they're
forced to be with a team for five years. And
now when you want to look at where do those
five years pan out for these guys? For these guys
I work in baseball, I know these guys I know
from I know some of these guys in saybe sixteen,
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coming over, you know, from a foreign country, and they
come over with one hundred thousand dollars contract an agent
and that wants to not all, but that wants to
use them, and they have to perform and that's and
the low end decide a thing, and that is what
they have to live off of. So when we talk football,
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and we talked fifth round picks and we talk things
like that, and you see a guy like another, you know,
Tom Brady in the making, where you get somebody in
the sixth round who's going to be, you know, a
diamond in the rough. It really I couldn't disagree more
with him. I'm all about capitalism to his numbers are
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just not accurate. What he's saying is not accurate. If
you look at Brian Bellow, he said.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Who's saying. I'm confused by what you're saying? He had
this way? Who is who you saying is not accurate?
Belichick or or Will from Long.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
Island the guy on the phone before you know.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
He's accurate, he's we're not talking about Let me please
follow what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Uh, I understand.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I understand the Rule five draft in Major League Baseball.
What that allows teams to do is to cherry pick
other rosters when somebody is not protected, and and sometimes
you can pick up a diamond in the rough and
that guy comes over to your team and gets paid
probably the major.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
League minimum Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
What I'm talking about is when the Red Sox say,
you know, we need an ace, we need a top
line pitcher who we're going to have to pay twenty
million dollars or more over a period of four or
five years to get him to sign with us. I'm
talking about you know, you know the type.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Of pictures, and I know what you're saying.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
Look at Brian Bellow.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Look at Brian Bellow's fine, that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
So my point to me, you.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Can find, you can find players. Don't get me wrong.
You can find.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
You can find guys, but you're forced to keep them
for five years.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
When that well anything else, when you when you sign
a guy and you draft him, there you they're they're
in effect restricted. They can't gain their independence, they can't
gain free agency status until they have so much major
league time. And sometimes the major leagues play with these guys.
The kid who was the third basement for the Cubs,
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they he was ready to play a few years ago,
beginning on opening Day, they kept him down for two
weeks so they could get that an extra year of
him as a as a member of their organization. I'm
trying to think of the kid Uh, he's a great player. Yeah,
to keep them away from free agency because the number
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of years.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
That's not what we're saying. What I'm saying is this.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Okay, if you, as a as a Boston sports team,
want to sign some top free agent in whatever the
sport is, let's say, let's say football, name me one player,
marquee player that the Patriots have signed this year as
a free a not someone who was drafted. You draft
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the guy they got to sign with you, or they
can they can, they can go home and become a
high school teacher. So they didn't sign anybody. And I
think part of that, which Belichick is saying, is that
it's tough because because if you're going to sign a
big twenty million dollar contract, and you have a choice
of signing that same contract, the exact same contract with Tennessee,
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with a team in Florida, a team in Las Vegas,
a team in Texas, they don't have state income Texas
down there. So your twenty million dollar contract, same amount
of money is a much greater value to you if
you play in Florida, Tennessee, Texas, or Nevada, then you
play than if you play in New England, that's what
we're saying.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Yeah, I mean, I hear what you're saying. My comparison
was much more to the baseball side. I book at football,
I book at hockey. Even though you still get paid
your money, but you know when it's getting done and
you look and you have five six years bumping around
the league and you know you can't make it. Your
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five six years out of the league and you need
to find a new job. And I feel for it
for some of these guys because it is not just
you know, Rodney's.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Interesting, but that's not what we're talking about. What we're
doing about that.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I understand that the Red Sox, when the Red Sox
try to go out and find an ace a number
one starter. Okay, I'm not talking about you know, a
James Patt.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
I know what you're saying, and I'm not trying to
argue with you here, but it's a different fundamental for football.
My argument would be, if you're going out and looking
for a running back or somebody who's a lineman or
someone who you going to give ten million dollars to
on you know, the field and whatever, they'll take, that
it is different than looking for an ace in baseball.
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It is where you're looking.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
And what I don't care.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Whether you Matt, Matt, I don't care whether you're looking
for an ace in baseball or an as in football.
If you got somebody who's who's a high caliber player
and you want to bring somebody in who's a difference maker, okay,
in football, baseball or whatever, and you're going to pay
him the big bucks, you know that they're they're you know,
look at Otani out in Los Angeles. Seven hundred million dollars.
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I'm not even talking about Otani.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I'm talking about it.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
A really good player, one hundred million, five five year contract,
one hundred million dollars, given a choice between playing here
or with the Tapa Bay Rays. Uh, those players are
going to say, I can play in Florida, and I can.
I can get the same contract, but I get more money.
That's all I'm trying to say, Matt, I got a
run on this track.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
I'll leave it on this spot.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Very quick. Otani did two things. They were very smart.
Otani deferred his contract to take only two million dollars,
so he could save that very team player all the
way by doing that. And when you see some of
the things message.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
That's not my argument, that's.
Speaker 9 (25:59):
Not myan is going to have trouble because when Bretani
tries to take the money that he's that he's put
away and deferred, and he goes home to Japan to
try to collect that money, California.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Is still going to come after in for the taxes.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
California is still going to come after for the taxes.
You're talking sports, I'm talking sports, and I.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
Think we're okay.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
I think we got in crossheads exactly. But my point
is you can get good money getting that Roll five draft,
and you got.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
That's that's irrelevant to what we're talking about.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
You're talking about something which I understand just as well
as you.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
You can you can pick up a.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Great player in the roof Rule five draft because the
other team, and it's we can cite examples. We can
both cite examples. But that's the exception. You're going in
and you're buying a bargain basement player. I'm not talking
about that. I'm talking about when you when you say
to yourself, we got to go out and get a
number one starter. We got to get out that. We
gotta find the current day Roger Clemens. We got to
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find the Yankee sign Garrett Cole. If we're going to
try and try to sign somebody who is at the
top of their game and paid top money, we are
at a disadvantage in Massachusetts because of the millionaire's tax.
Simple as that rule. Five players are gonna come and
make minimum for a couple of years five seventy five
to eighty five ninety.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
They're not affected. Gotta run, man, thank you, gotta go.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
All right, thanks, all right.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
If you understand what I'm talking about, great, If you don't,
that's okay. Six one, seven, four thirty. Belichick nailed it. Okay, Belichick,
who for many many years was always a sphinx.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
At these news conferences. And what happened? Bill?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
We lost? Well, why'd you lose? They scored more points
than us. He nailed it on this issue. Joined the
conversation six one, seven, nine ten thirty. Back on Night's Side.
Maybe you guys don't get it. If you don't get it, fine,
don't call. If you get it, give me a call.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
That decision will be announced tomorrow. Let me go next
to Matthew in Pembroke Matthew, thanks for calling in. How
are you tonight?
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Welcome great Dan. I always love to hear your voice
on my write home from work.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
I just got on the air a little while ago.
You're talking about the death tax, correct.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
No, No, we're talking about the state income tax. The
death tax is another matter. Massachusetts has a death tax,
a state tax, and there are some states that don't
have that. No, what we're talking about here is the
so called millionaires tax that we improved on a ballot
initiative I think by fifty two to forty eight percent
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in twenty twenty two, and Bill Belichick talked about on
an ESPN podcast, And also there was a story in
the Herald today sure which talked about, look, if you're
signing a free agent player, you know, if you draft someone,
it's all structured in the NFL where the first choice
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first round guys are going to get so much second round,
et cetera. That with the millionaires tax. We used to
have a flat tax, so everybody paid five percent. Well
that's bad enough. But when you have the millionaires tax
and some players are going to sign a contract, say
for you know, some superstar, we're going to grab some
superstar for twenty years, for twenty million for five years,
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that's one hundred million dollars. And when you then say, okay,
after the million, after your million dollars, which we get
you for five percent the ballance of your contract, that
nineteen million dollars, you're going to pay nine percent. Sure. Now,
if you're that player and I'm your agent, I'm going
to say to okay, we got two offers in the table.
Tennessee wants to pay you this same amount of money
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as New England. Tennessee doesn't have a state income tax.
If you sign with New England, you're going to pay
the state of Massachusetts about one point seven million dollars
that you would not pay Tennessee. You would not pay
the Miami Dolphins would pay Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It was
interesting when Brady left the Patriots, he went to a
no state income tax state and playing show off at
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Tampa Bay. So the millionaires tax is not only going
to cost US people fleeing, wealthy people fleeing Massachusetts, but
there's gonna be a lot of great athletes who would
love to see play for the Patriots or the Red
Sox or the Celtics or the Bruins.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
They're going to say thanks, but no thanks. That's the
point I'm.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
Trying to make sure. And on top of that, you're
taxed upon tax I mean, you go to the grocery store,
you don't get text, but if you go out to McDonald's,
you get taxed. You guess you get taxed, and by
the time you get done, there's not much left. I
don't know how these people in life do it well.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I can always say that this.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Just remember that in Massachusetts they only tax two things,
everything that moves and anything that doesn't move.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
They were only really well tonight, I appreciate it. I
just want to mention that time every time you turn
around your tax you know, no matter what you do,
six and a half percent sales tax on top of
them what you've already paid for taxes.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Absolutely absolutely, And what it comes down to is people
like you who work for living.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Every day you get up, you go to work. It's tough.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
It's tough, and there's still people out there who never
work and they're the ones who are living off the
public dole. And now we have an influx of folks
coming into the state who have nothing they're migrants, and
I noticed one of the stories today they're now just
hanging out.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
We don't have room for them.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
But we we said to them all, we're a welcoming
state and we have a right to shelter the law.
We didn't amend that law. And now these poor souls
are sleeping outdoors at night, which is okay. I guess
in August, I don't want to be sleeping on doors
at night at the Quincy MBTA station, you know.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
I mean, yeah, So this is the first year I'm
going to actually make a really a lot of money,
and I'm very grateful I have a job. It worked
sixty four hours a week to do it, though, you know,
and it's a lot. I have to drive to Boston
every day and drive home. It takes quite a bit
of time. But anyhow, now I'm going to make one
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hundred and forty thousand dollars this year. And guess what
I paid last year. I was near there. I paid
over thirty thousand and tax federal tax. And now I
make too much money. I can't even have forty thousand.
You're not allowed to put money into a rough ira.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, they get your gain. By the way, I drove
into Boston today and it took me about an hour
just to get from Somerville down to Dorchester if I
had to make that commute, and that was two thirty
in the afternoon. I and by the way, you know this,
(32:54):
I didn't see there was no accident, So it was
just the way the roads are constructed.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Did the big dig for twenty billion.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Dollars, and traffic still is horrible to transit through mass
through downtown Boston.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
I know, I don't want to keep y'all. Let you go,
Thanks Dan, Thanks me.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I appreciated Matthew.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
If I was doing this every day, I think I
would just I would give it up. I would give
it up. Thanks Matthew. Okay, let me get one more
in here. I'm going to try real quickly before we
got to go to break. Tanya in Boston, Hi, Tanya,
welcome back.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
How are you good?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Are you? I'm doing great? Tell me do you do
you understand and do you agree with the sentiments expressed
by coach Belichick.
Speaker 10 (33:43):
I didn't hear what he said specifically, but I when
you were seated it, I understand what you're saying, and
I understand where he's coming from because I mean, we're
in the state of Taxachusetts, so you know, unless we've
got something way over the top over here that's going
to attract you players to want to say, oh yeah,
here take another nine percent on top of everything else,
(34:05):
or another additional four percent, it doesn't make any sense.
But where I do think is becoming a bigger problem
is if you start depleting the level of good team
players coming in that are strong and they can win,
then you're going to have people not going to the
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games and you're not going to be bringing in more money.
So at the end of the day, it is my
understanding that if you're not filling those seats at the
stadiums and people aren't participating in the sport overall with everybody,
then the state's going to lose more money overall at
the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Absolutely why And.
Speaker 10 (34:44):
I almost feel like like this is almost like a
punitive tax for being a good player.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Well, it is here, But the good news for the
player is that he could say, Hey, I'm going to
play for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm going to play for
the Vegas Say the Las Vegas Raiders are going to
go play for the Dolphins, are gonna go play for
the Buccaneers. There's a bunch of states that don't even
have a state income tax, so those teams over time
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are going to be advantaged. And I think what Belichick
was talking about from the frustrations of being a coach.
You know, you're trying to win, uh for your owner,
and you're trying to win for your team and for
your job, and the tax structure in Massachusetts. Finally, finally,
one of the leading you know, professional coaches has has said, hey, look,
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you know this is going to hurt hurt our team
over time. And but you know, so all the all
the Patriots fans out there realize that it's going to
be a long time before the Patriots are competing in
a Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (35:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (35:49):
I agree, because the other thing, like from a player's standpoint,
they got to come out here. We got a weather issue.
You know, it's not as bad as Buffalo. I grew
up in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah no, I got you. Yeah, oh sure, yeah.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
And it's tougher to play.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, in the cold and the snow in December. But also, look,
maybe the Patriots might decide they're going to move to
New Hampshire. They are the New England Patriots, you know,
maybe who knows?
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Who knows.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I just think it's interesting that Belichick finally spoken up.
Daniel I got you before the break, but I got
a scoot, so I'm gonna let.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
You run for now.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Thanks so much for Colin for being a listener and
calling this program. I really appreciate your loyalty.
Speaker 10 (36:33):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
All Right, we get back. I got Danielle, I got Christine,
and I got pegged. The ladies are run to rule
the roost here right after the break.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
All right, let's get back to the call. It's got
my pal Danielle out a wooster. Danielle, I'd love to
know what you think about this. You're a sports fan too, hey, but.
Speaker 10 (36:59):
I don't want you.
Speaker 11 (37:01):
You know, the taxes are always.
Speaker 8 (37:02):
Interesting to me.
Speaker 11 (37:02):
I always, especially when I compare things to New England states.
You know, we've been trump no pun intended, they're trumps,
the tax achusets, you know, and everything else. But the
states that about us, mostly specifically Connecticut and New Hampshire,
are very guilty of a lot of other taxes that
blow us or out.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Of the water.
Speaker 11 (37:24):
New Hampshire's property taxes are probably like the third or
fourth highest in the country. So although they don't pay
income tax, you've got a really nice state that you're
living on. Let's take Tom Brady's mega mansion in Florida
and plumb get in New Hampshire. Let's just see how
much that's gonna cost into living there.
Speaker 10 (37:45):
So I think that nothing is free.
Speaker 11 (37:47):
We all know that that that you're going to get
it somewhere else. So I think that rather than focus on,
you know, what you're not going to get, let's focus
what you are getting. And these guys don't necessarily have
to the residents of Massachusetts, right, So doesn't it go
by you can hear me, right, No, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
If you play for the New England Patriots, if you
play for the New England Patriots, or you play for
the Boston Red Sox, you will be taxed as an
employee of the New England Patriots.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
It's like it's like someone living up in New Hampshire
who drives across the state line every day and works
in Thethuan.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
They pay Massachusetts state income tax.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
If they're because they live here.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
No, no, no, they live in New Hampshire and they
work in and they work as a whatever, you know,
a software engineer.
Speaker 8 (38:42):
And then make some kind of a split though. No, no, because.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
It's yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Live in New Hampshire, you work in Massachusetts, you pay
Massachusetts taxes, Danielle, I hate to do this year.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I got two more.
Speaker 11 (38:56):
It's fine, But I'm just saying, like sales tax, youth tax,
excise some of these states.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, Massachusetts is still Massachusetts is taxachuss. It's called Taxachusets
for a reason. Okay, trust me when you break the
numbers down, and I've done it many times, it's a
very expensive to state from taxes to live in.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Simple as that. And we don't get much. But will
we do? By the way, try the roads. Go go
to New Hampshire. See how good the roads are up
there compared to here. I got a scoop. I gotta scoop.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
We'll talk show, all right. Let me go real quickly, Christina,
got you in peg. I want to give you both
a chance.
Speaker 8 (39:35):
Go ahead, Christine, Okay, I agree with what you're saying.
Speaker 10 (39:39):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
I agree, yeah very much.
Speaker 8 (39:44):
It's crazy, Like I just I don't understand it all.
I really don't.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
They basically want to penalize success, and they want to
penalize the people who are successful, and the people who
are successful of the people that that go to restaurants,
that that that buy things, that employ other people in Massachusetts,
if you're successful, you will be penalized.
Speaker 10 (40:10):
It's absolutely crazy.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Totally with you, Totally with you, Christine. Thanks for being
sixtinct for me here because I want to get Peg
in for a second. Two Okay, Okay, have a good night,
a good day later on.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
I hope so, I hope so PEG is in Pepperal, Peg,
you're going to wrap it up for us.
Speaker 8 (40:27):
Go ahead, Peg, Hi, Dan, you know, I understand numbers
better than I understand sports, and your call from New
York hit it right on the button. And one thing
to add to his conversation was it just shows the
money that's being spent from Massachusetts, what poor management we
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have had financially over the last I don't know, twenty years, thirty.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Years, got it, you know, Republicans and Democrats.
Speaker 8 (40:55):
Peg, Absolutely, this state is becoming, you know, and I
live in the border of New Hampshire and the roads
are better, by the.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
Way a question.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, and they have worse weather than we do peg,
I got to run. I'm flat out of time. Called
sooner and we'll do more time. Okay, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Done for the night, everybody. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Rob, thank you very much, Marita, thank you everybody. I'll
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pets go to heaven. That's my pal Charlie Rais, who
passed fourteen years ago on February. It's all your pets
are past. They love you, you love them. I do
believe you'll see him again. See you again tomorrow night.
Have a great Thursday, everyone,
It's nice Eye Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All Right, welcome back everybody. It is now a little bit.
Let's say about eleven o seven here as we head
TOORG the midnight hour. The Red Sox. One earlier tonight,
I'm Brian Bellow. Came up with a veyo. Came up
with a pretty good performance. I think you threw eight
innings of shutout baseball, and the Red Sox beat the
(00:27):
Blue Jays to tie up this series two games to two.
But the Red Sox need to win much more than
they lose if they have any hopes of making the playoffs.
But that's the story for another night. If you were
out there tonight, I'd love to get any reaction.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I'm going to give you some options here. Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
We we talked earlier tonight with doctor Marty McCarey. Uh
talked talked about the banning of cell phones in in schools, which.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I think it's got to that point. I really do.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
But you can pick up on any of that conversation
if you'd like. Also, I thought that our guest last hour,
Scott Allen Curly, is an extraordinary guy. This is a
guy with nine convictions, spent a decade behind bars. I
mean almost lost, you know, his entire existence, because once
(01:28):
you've spent ten years behind bars, it's tough to break
that cycle. But he was able to do it. And
if you listened last hour, I hope if you missed
Last Hour, please listen to it at night side and
demand because it was an extraordinary hour just hearing his
story and one subject that came up today which I
(01:49):
thought was sort of interesting, and I hope some of
you might feel the same way. Bill Belichick, who is
out of the coaching game at least for a year.
I'm convinced that a year from now Belichick will be
back as a coach. He's only a few wins away
from the the most wins of any head coach in
(02:09):
the NFL. But Belichick had some comments about the Massachusetts
millionaires tax. That was a ballot question that was approved
in twenty twenty two by a narrow margin fifty two
to forty eight percent, in which very few people obviously
are millionaires, and so most people, when you give them
(02:31):
a chance to tax someone else who may be making
more money than they do, the instinctive reaction is, hey.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Why not. You know it's not going to call I'm
not a millionaire. It's not going to cost me anything.
Why not?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
It's as simple as that. You know, if they had
a ballot question that said, you know, if you're left handed,
you got to pay an extra four percent on your
state in them tax. Well, everybody who's right hand, they're
they're going to vote for that. Simple, as simple as that.
(03:06):
So Bill Belichick made a point. He was interviewed by
The Herald. Well he was he was interviewed, excuse me
on on a podcast and there was a story in
The Herald Today which which picked up on Who's on
ESPN's Pat McAfee show. You know, I like to give
credit where credit is due, and he talked about the
(03:30):
practical impact of the millionaire's tax in Massachusetts. So, in Massachusetts,
if you make over a million dollars, and name me
a professional athlete that doesn't make over a million dollars,
I think.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
You probably can find some, but not many.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Major League minimum is still less than a million dollars.
But most players in the NFL, even those on taxi squads,
make make good coin.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And if you successful, if you're successful as a professional athlete,
you were you were handsomely rewarded, handsomely rewarded. But there's
a disparity, and that disparity is between certain states. So
you have a state like Massachusetts, which hits a pro athlete,
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or for that matter, anyone who's a business person who's
extremely successful, they pay five percent on their first million dollars.
Of course, everybody pays the same in your federal income taxes.
You got to understand that doesn't matter where you live California, Tennessee, Hawaii, Alaska, Massachusetts.
Federal incompact applies across the board. Different people have different
(04:44):
exemptions and they have different deductions, and so there are
ways in which certain people are able to minimize their
taxes legally within the confines of the Internal Revenue CALLDE.
But if you you're a pro athlete, and let's say
whatever your sport is, they say, well, we're going to
(05:06):
give you would like to give you a one hundred
million dollar contract five years for twenty million dollars. That's
not an exceptional contract anymore in professional sports Baseball, football,
Maybe it's an exceptional in hockey, which is probably across
the board the lowest paid.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
But those.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Those salaries in the NHL are going up as well,
certainly the NBA. So you will have to pay your
federal income tax as everyone would. You might have deductions,
maybe you make more charitable deductions.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
However, However, if you live in Massachusetts and you're going
to pay the full tax in Massachusetts, you're going to
pay five percent in the first.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Million and then nine percent on the other million.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So in this case, you'd be paying an additional fourteen
additional four percent above and beyond the the the flat
five rate, which means, when you think about it, you're
gonna pay a lot of money. I mean a lot
of money, uh, to Massachusetts. If you were to, let's say,
(06:17):
play for a team in Tennessee, whether it's the Tennessee Titans,
or play for a team in Nevada, the now the
Las Vegas Raiders, or a team in Florida, the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
They are in Texas. They don't have state income Texas.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So Bill Belichick brought that to everyone's attention. Rob play
for me if you would, Bill Belichick, it's cut number
thirteen yesterday on this podcast.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
What's that millionaire's tax about? It's strictly.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah, Taxachusetts. Yeah, so virtually every player, even a practice
squad well not, but even the minimum players are are
pretty close to a million dollars. And so one you
hit that million dollar threshold, then then you pay more
state tax in Massachusetts. So yeah, just another thing you
(07:06):
got to contend with the negotiations up there. It's not
like Tennessee or you know, Florida or Nevada or some
of these teams that have no state income tax. So
you get, you know, you get, you get hit pretty
hard on that. You know, with the agents, they'll they'll
come and sledge hire me you down about you know,
texattacks they're paying.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, and I think that's a factor. And as we
go through, we had some great championship season, six super
Bowls with the Patriots. We're all rooting for the Patriots,
we root for all the Boston teams. And the Celtics
may have a pretty big payroll. They do, so they
(07:46):
apparently are not impacted as much by that. But if
you're a Patriots fan and you're going to be checking
out to Gillette Stadium and you are upset that maybe
the Patriots draft choice, they can hold a draft choice
for I think it's whatever it is six years before
they then can achieve free agency same way in baseball.
(08:09):
I mean the Red Sox, they they weren't able to
They signed the free agents this year, but they didn't
have any of what they call the premier free agents.
And you have to wonder does that millionaire's tax impact Now,
maybe it doesn't, I don't know, Maybe you don't care.
(08:30):
But if we are a big we're a state of
big sports fans, and this is a secondary impact of
that millionaire's tax. There's a lot of people that are
leaving Massachusetts. And the people who are leaving Massachusetts are
the ones who have contributed. According to the article in
the Boston Herald, taxpayers are fleeing Massachusetts at a rate
(08:55):
that cost the state roughly three point nine billion dollars two.
So you want to have a healthy state, and you
want to have a state that obviously attracts people, not
a state that basically says to people who are going
to make a lot of money, you really don't want
(09:16):
to come here and have an option. And if you're
a young athlete who may have a I don't know,
an earning potential for four or five years or at
most seven or eight, you want to make the money
and you want to be able to bank as much
of the money as you can, because that might be
and in most cases it probably will be the greatest
(09:38):
earning power that you will ever have.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
So I'd like.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
To just throw out whatever you want to talk about.
I'd love to talk about this, because I did raise
this at the time. I was opposed to the passage
of the millionaire's tax because I think that short term, yeah,
it will help short term, but long term, I think
it is very very nearsighted, and long term it's going
to call more problems. And immediately you're seeing it with
(10:03):
the sports teams and you watch you see where the
most the most highly compensated free agents in all the
major sports end up. The Celtics have been lucky, they
have drafted well and they have put together a championship team.
How long will that team be able to stay together
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as well as a factor six one, seven, two, five,
four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty.
It's interesting. Bill Belichick called it out, and I hope
it's always tough to explain numbers on radio, because first
of all, you can't see the numbers. I hope I've
done a good job or an adequate job explaining the numbers.
(10:46):
If I have and you agree or disagree, and you
think we should nail those athletes, those multimillion dollar athletes,
nail them for as much money as we can, feel
free to join the conversation. I don't think that's fair,
but maybe you're going to disagree. Maybe if you agree,
I'd love to hear from me as well. Back on
Night's side right after this.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Let's go to the phones again.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I think that you know a lot of people if
the Patriots don't have a great season this year, and
I think that that is a pretty good possibility, a
transition year. They've drafted their the people they want to draft.
But you always have to have some free agents, and
sometimes you need really good free agents. And I'm not
(11:38):
sure that the Patriots at this point are are blessed
with some great free agent signings. I don't know, frankly
one free agent signing. And I would also mention when
Tom Brady decided to leave Gillette Stadium and the Patriots,
remember with State, he ended up playing football and then
winning his seventh Super Bowl Tampa Bay, Florida. No state
(12:02):
income tax that might have been a factor in his
consideration as well.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Let me go to Will in Long Island.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Hey Will, thanks for getting this going here on the
eleven o'clock hour.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
How are you tonight?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Hey Dan?
Speaker 5 (12:13):
You know I'm not as concerned with the sports aspect
of it, although I can obviously see if I were
going to sign a twenty million dollar contract. Let's break
down the numbers quickly. Okay, how much is going to
my agent? Probably ten percent. Let's not forget my lawyers.
Let's not forget my accountants. Let's not forget all of
these people that I pay before I see a nicol.
(12:34):
Let's not forget my thirty something percent federal income tax
that I have to pay. Now you're telling me on
top of that, after every million I made, I already
gave five percent to State of Massachusetts on top of
my state tax. This is my million are tax? Now
I have to give them another nine percent?
Speaker 3 (12:49):
No, I go out. Well, let me make it clear.
You got it five percent.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
On there on the second million from.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
One million in one dollar, the state tax goes right
nine percent, So you write it now paid five percent.
The extra is the extra four percent.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
I'm extra four percent over up to nine percent. I'm
the next nineteen million yes, sir, okay, if I have
a twenty million dollar contract. Okay, now you put all
those other numbers into there, you know, with everybody else
that I'm paying. So I'm going to go out. I'm
going to work this hard to become the best in
the world. That what I want to do. And on
top of all these other people and the country I
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have to pay. You're telling me I have to pay
Massachusetts nine more percent. And by the way, when something
goes up nine percent or down nine percent, that is
a significant amount of money to me, to you, and
to everyone else. Okay. If our GDP fell nine percent tomorrow,
the country would crash. Okay, nine percent is huge on
your bottom line. It's not like, oh, well, they're millionaires,
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they can afford it. It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I just did the numbers.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
So that extra, that extra four percent, okay, on the
nineteen million dollar is in a hypothetical twenty million dollar player.
That means that that player above and beyond what they
would have played if they you know, we're here five
years ago or ten years ago, they will pay an
extra seven hundred and sixty thousand dollars for the privilege
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of playing in New England. Now, if you if you
knock that all off and you say, you know, the
twenty million dollars, uh, and you're talking about the five
percent okay, which of course is another figure here.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
In MASSATONI A million.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's going to be well right, So.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Here's here's the bottom line.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Okay, here's the bottom line. Let's take it out of
the context to athletes because you can, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Let me just let me just give it to your question.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
That means a pro football player makes twenty million dollars
in Massachusetts is going to pay one million, seven hundred
and sixty thousand dollars in Massachusetts.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Not you mentioned that three six million that he's going
to pay the federal government and everyone else that he's
going to pay.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Compare that, to compare that to what he would play
if he signed a contract with the Miami Dolphins, the
Dallas Cowboys, the Tennessee Titles, lost, the Las Vegas Raiders,
he would pay nothing. So therefore, if I'm the agent,
I'm going to say, and by the way, if we're
talking like a five year contract, here twenty million dollars,
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which is not uncommon.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
One hundred million dollar contract, which is very racial.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That's going to cost him close to close to eight
million dollars down the drain.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
So let's now for your listeners, because I'm really you know,
I'm month into economics and socialism versus capitalism and all
the pitfalls of socialism that people try to gussie up
and make it seem like it would be great for
this country. Now, let's put into into, you know, a
real life scenario for your listeners. Let's take it off
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sports for a second, because there's going to be a
lot of people below. I screw these athletes to make
too much money anyway. Now right now, let's call it
world renowned heart surgeons in Massachusetts. Now let's call it
contractors and builders and people that build homes. You have
a mass exodus of taxpayers, but you have a mass
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influx of people that don't pay taxes and live off
your system. That is a recipe for bankruptcy. I live
in a state that is about to do that. California
is a perfect example of that. The third largest GDP
in the world had a surplus under a Republican Ish
governor okay, and now they're on the brink of financial collapse.
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This is how you take a well run economy and
destroy it. See, people don't understand. They think the athlete.
Now Bill Belichick brought up, think about the best doctors
in the world not wanting to come to Massachusetts anymore.
Think about the best contractors and builders and the greatest
minds in the world don't want to come to your
state because you've driven them out. Now, let's extrapolate that
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into the country. Because wealthy people are not citizens of
the United States. They're citizens of the world. And you
drive them out of this nation to other nations, they
leave with their wealth, the same way the United States
attracted all that wealth from European countries that were doing
the same thing. You are driving them out of here.
One last thing before I go. I live in New York.
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I'm driving out to Pennsylvania this last weekend. I'm the
guy that puts money in every cup at this I'm
just that guy. If I go to foreign countries, I
got bills flying out of my pocket all over the
place to all the kids that are hungry. And so
I just am that person. So I'm driving by and
there's a guy walking down the middle of the Parkway,
and I'm pull over to put money in this cup,
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and I'm looking at all the New Yorkers drive by him,
all these people that could give a good money directly
to him, all these liberals, supposedly, all these left wing
people that just pass them by. The guy's crippled and everything,
veteran signs, everything, he's just passing by. Let me explain
something to you Democrats. Okay, it is neither virtuous nor
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noble to give away other people's money. Okay, live by example.
Thanks Dan, you gut it.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Will Greyclaw is always there's no doubt.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
But let me go to Matt a little closer to
home and brighton Matt your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I know you're a sports guy.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Thank you, and then hell it done.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I think I'm doing great. Will's a tough act to follow. Men,
he was good tonight.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Go right ahead.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Oh, I mean, he's a good act to follow. But
you know, you know what, then, facts and numbers speak,
volumes and statistics. Let me let me say something that
you and I probably both know, the Rule five draft.
The MLB works on a Rule five draft system, where essentially,
if you are not signed outside of the top. Okay,
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I've cut it down twenty rounds recently. In the MLB draft.
I'm sure you know, it used to be forty rounds
where people were signing in the thousands, in the thousands,
not of only dollars, but in the thousands of numbers.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
They had to cut it down.
Speaker 6 (19:10):
So these guys in real five drafts are now getting
signed by teams like the Reds off that. I'll name
you a couple guys. Garrett Whitlock no longer with them
at the time that this happened, but he with the Yankees,
he was some guys named Ben Ruda, some guys named Yaoyaki.
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Some of these guys who are young, talented guys, they're
forced to be with a team for five years. And
now when you want to look at where do those
five years pan out for these guys? For these guys
I work in baseball, I know these guys I know
from I know some of these guys in saybe sixteen,
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coming over, you know, from a foreign country, and they
come over with one hundred thousand dollars contract an agent
and that wants to not all, but that wants to
use them, and they have to perform and that's and
the low end decide a thing, and that is what
they have to live off of. So when we talk football,
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and we talked fifth round picks and we talk things
like that, and you see a guy like another, you know,
Tom Brady in the making, where you get somebody in
the sixth round who's going to be, you know, a
diamond in the rough. It really I couldn't disagree more
with him. I'm all about capitalism to his numbers are
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just not accurate. What he's saying is not accurate. If
you look at Brian Bellow, he said.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Who's saying. I'm confused by what you're saying? He had
this way? Who is who you saying is not accurate?
Belichick or or Will from Long.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
Island the guy on the phone before you know.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
He's accurate, he's we're not talking about Let me please
follow what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Uh, I understand.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I understand the Rule five draft in Major League Baseball.
What that allows teams to do is to cherry pick
other rosters when somebody is not protected, and and sometimes
you can pick up a diamond in the rough and
that guy comes over to your team and gets paid
probably the major.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
League minimum Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
What I'm talking about is when the Red Sox say,
you know, we need an ace, we need a top
line pitcher who we're going to have to pay twenty
million dollars or more over a period of four or
five years to get him to sign with us. I'm
talking about you know, you know the type.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Of pictures, and I know what you're saying.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
Look at Brian Bellow.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Look at Brian Bellow's fine, that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
So my point to me, you.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Can find, you can find players. Don't get me wrong.
You can find.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
You can find guys, but you're forced to keep them
for five years.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
When that well anything else, when you when you sign
a guy and you draft him, there you they're they're
in effect restricted. They can't gain their independence, they can't
gain free agency status until they have so much major
league time. And sometimes the major leagues play with these guys.
The kid who was the third basement for the Cubs,
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they he was ready to play a few years ago,
beginning on opening Day, they kept him down for two
weeks so they could get that an extra year of
him as a as a member of their organization. I'm
trying to think of the kid Uh, he's a great player. Yeah,
to keep them away from free agency because the number
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of years.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
That's not what we're saying. What I'm saying is this.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Okay, if you, as a as a Boston sports team,
want to sign some top free agent in whatever the
sport is, let's say, let's say football, name me one player,
marquee player that the Patriots have signed this year as
a free a not someone who was drafted. You draft
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the guy they got to sign with you, or they
can they can, they can go home and become a
high school teacher. So they didn't sign anybody. And I
think part of that, which Belichick is saying, is that
it's tough because because if you're going to sign a
big twenty million dollar contract, and you have a choice
of signing that same contract, the exact same contract with Tennessee,
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with a team in Florida, a team in Las Vegas,
a team in Texas, they don't have state income Texas
down there. So your twenty million dollar contract, same amount
of money is a much greater value to you if
you play in Florida, Tennessee, Texas, or Nevada, then you
play than if you play in New England, that's what
we're saying.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Yeah, I mean, I hear what you're saying. My comparison
was much more to the baseball side. I book at football,
I book at hockey. Even though you still get paid
your money, but you know when it's getting done and
you look and you have five six years bumping around
the league and you know you can't make it. Your
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five six years out of the league and you need
to find a new job. And I feel for it
for some of these guys because it is not just
you know, Rodney's.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Interesting, but that's not what we're talking about. What we're
doing about that.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I understand that the Red Sox, when the Red Sox
try to go out and find an ace a number
one starter. Okay, I'm not talking about you know, a
James Patt.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
I know what you're saying, and I'm not trying to
argue with you here, but it's a different fundamental for football.
My argument would be, if you're going out and looking
for a running back or somebody who's a lineman or
someone who you going to give ten million dollars to
on you know, the field and whatever, they'll take, that
it is different than looking for an ace in baseball.
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It is where you're looking.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
And what I don't care.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Whether you Matt, Matt, I don't care whether you're looking
for an ace in baseball or an as in football.
If you got somebody who's who's a high caliber player
and you want to bring somebody in who's a difference maker, okay,
in football, baseball or whatever, and you're going to pay
him the big bucks, you know that they're they're you know,
look at Otani out in Los Angeles. Seven hundred million dollars.
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I'm not even talking about Otani.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I'm talking about it.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
A really good player, one hundred million, five five year contract,
one hundred million dollars, given a choice between playing here
or with the Tapa Bay Rays. Uh, those players are
going to say, I can play in Florida, and I can.
I can get the same contract, but I get more money.
That's all I'm trying to say, Matt, I got a
run on this track.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
I'll leave it on this spot.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
Very quick. Otani did two things. They were very smart.
Otani deferred his contract to take only two million dollars,
so he could save that very team player all the
way by doing that. And when you see some of
the things message.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
That's not my argument, that's.
Speaker 9 (25:59):
Not myan is going to have trouble because when Bretani
tries to take the money that he's that he's put
away and deferred, and he goes home to Japan to
try to collect that money, California.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Is still going to come after in for the taxes.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
California is still going to come after for the taxes.
You're talking sports, I'm talking sports, and I.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
Think we're okay.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
I think we got in crossheads exactly. But my point
is you can get good money getting that Roll five draft,
and you got.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
That's that's irrelevant to what we're talking about.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
You're talking about something which I understand just as well
as you.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
You can you can pick up a.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Great player in the roof Rule five draft because the
other team, and it's we can cite examples. We can
both cite examples. But that's the exception. You're going in
and you're buying a bargain basement player. I'm not talking
about that. I'm talking about when you when you say
to yourself, we got to go out and get a
number one starter. We got to get out that. We
gotta find the current day Roger Clemens. We got to
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find the Yankee sign Garrett Cole. If we're going to
try and try to sign somebody who is at the
top of their game and paid top money, we are
at a disadvantage in Massachusetts because of the millionaire's tax.
Simple as that rule. Five players are gonna come and
make minimum for a couple of years five seventy five
to eighty five ninety.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
They're not affected. Gotta run, man, thank you, gotta go.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
All right, thanks, all right.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
If you understand what I'm talking about, great, If you don't,
that's okay. Six one, seven, four thirty. Belichick nailed it. Okay, Belichick,
who for many many years was always a sphinx.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
At these news conferences. And what happened? Bill?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
We lost? Well, why'd you lose? They scored more points
than us. He nailed it on this issue. Joined the
conversation six one, seven, nine ten thirty. Back on Night's Side.
Maybe you guys don't get it. If you don't get it, fine,
don't call. If you get it, give me a call.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
That decision will be announced tomorrow. Let me go next
to Matthew in Pembroke Matthew, thanks for calling in. How
are you tonight?
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Welcome great Dan. I always love to hear your voice
on my write home from work.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
I just got on the air a little while ago.
You're talking about the death tax, correct.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
No, No, we're talking about the state income tax. The
death tax is another matter. Massachusetts has a death tax,
a state tax, and there are some states that don't
have that. No, what we're talking about here is the
so called millionaires tax that we improved on a ballot
initiative I think by fifty two to forty eight percent
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in twenty twenty two, and Bill Belichick talked about on
an ESPN podcast, And also there was a story in
the Herald today sure which talked about, look, if you're
signing a free agent player, you know, if you draft someone,
it's all structured in the NFL where the first choice
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first round guys are going to get so much second round,
et cetera. That with the millionaires tax. We used to
have a flat tax, so everybody paid five percent. Well
that's bad enough. But when you have the millionaires tax
and some players are going to sign a contract, say
for you know, some superstar, we're going to grab some
superstar for twenty years, for twenty million for five years,
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that's one hundred million dollars. And when you then say, okay,
after the million, after your million dollars, which we get
you for five percent the ballance of your contract, that
nineteen million dollars, you're going to pay nine percent. Sure. Now,
if you're that player and I'm your agent, I'm going
to say to okay, we got two offers in the table.
Tennessee wants to pay you this same amount of money
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as New England. Tennessee doesn't have a state income tax.
If you sign with New England, you're going to pay
the state of Massachusetts about one point seven million dollars
that you would not pay Tennessee. You would not pay
the Miami Dolphins would pay Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It was
interesting when Brady left the Patriots, he went to a
no state income tax state and playing show off at
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Tampa Bay. So the millionaires tax is not only going
to cost US people fleeing, wealthy people fleeing Massachusetts, but
there's gonna be a lot of great athletes who would
love to see play for the Patriots or the Red
Sox or the Celtics or the Bruins.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
They're going to say thanks, but no thanks. That's the
point I'm.
Speaker 7 (30:29):
Trying to make sure. And on top of that, you're
taxed upon tax I mean, you go to the grocery store,
you don't get text, but if you go out to McDonald's,
you get taxed. You guess you get taxed, and by
the time you get done, there's not much left. I
don't know how these people in life do it well.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I can always say that this.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Just remember that in Massachusetts they only tax two things,
everything that moves and anything that doesn't move.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
They were only really well tonight, I appreciate it. I
just want to mention that time every time you turn
around your tax you know, no matter what you do,
six and a half percent sales tax on top of
them what you've already paid for taxes.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Absolutely absolutely, And what it comes down to is people
like you who work for living.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Every day you get up, you go to work. It's tough.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
It's tough, and there's still people out there who never
work and they're the ones who are living off the
public dole. And now we have an influx of folks
coming into the state who have nothing they're migrants, and
I noticed one of the stories today they're now just
hanging out.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
We don't have room for them.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
But we we said to them all, we're a welcoming
state and we have a right to shelter the law.
We didn't amend that law. And now these poor souls
are sleeping outdoors at night, which is okay. I guess
in August, I don't want to be sleeping on doors
at night at the Quincy MBTA station, you know.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
I mean, yeah, So this is the first year I'm
going to actually make a really a lot of money,
and I'm very grateful I have a job. It worked
sixty four hours a week to do it, though, you know,
and it's a lot. I have to drive to Boston
every day and drive home. It takes quite a bit
of time. But anyhow, now I'm going to make one
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hundred and forty thousand dollars this year. And guess what
I paid last year. I was near there. I paid
over thirty thousand and tax federal tax. And now I
make too much money. I can't even have forty thousand.
You're not allowed to put money into a rough ira.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, they get your gain. By the way, I drove
into Boston today and it took me about an hour
just to get from Somerville down to Dorchester if I
had to make that commute, and that was two thirty
in the afternoon. I and by the way, you know this,
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I didn't see there was no accident, So it was
just the way the roads are constructed.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Did the big dig for twenty billion.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Dollars, and traffic still is horrible to transit through mass
through downtown Boston.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
I know, I don't want to keep y'all. Let you go,
Thanks Dan, Thanks me.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I appreciated Matthew.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
If I was doing this every day, I think I
would just I would give it up. I would give
it up. Thanks Matthew. Okay, let me get one more
in here. I'm going to try real quickly before we
got to go to break. Tanya in Boston, Hi, Tanya,
welcome back.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
How are you good?
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Are you? I'm doing great? Tell me do you do
you understand and do you agree with the sentiments expressed
by coach Belichick.
Speaker 10 (33:43):
I didn't hear what he said specifically, but I when
you were seated it, I understand what you're saying, and
I understand where he's coming from because I mean, we're
in the state of Taxachusetts, so you know, unless we've
got something way over the top over here that's going
to attract you players to want to say, oh yeah,
here take another nine percent on top of everything else,
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or another additional four percent, it doesn't make any sense.
But where I do think is becoming a bigger problem
is if you start depleting the level of good team
players coming in that are strong and they can win,
then you're going to have people not going to the
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games and you're not going to be bringing in more money.
So at the end of the day, it is my
understanding that if you're not filling those seats at the
stadiums and people aren't participating in the sport overall with everybody,
then the state's going to lose more money overall at
the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Absolutely why And.
Speaker 10 (34:44):
I almost feel like like this is almost like a
punitive tax for being a good player.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Well, it is here, But the good news for the
player is that he could say, Hey, I'm going to
play for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm going to play for
the Vegas Say the Las Vegas Raiders are going to
go play for the Dolphins, are gonna go play for
the Buccaneers. There's a bunch of states that don't even
have a state income tax, so those teams over time
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are going to be advantaged. And I think what Belichick
was talking about from the frustrations of being a coach.
You know, you're trying to win, uh for your owner,
and you're trying to win for your team and for
your job, and the tax structure in Massachusetts. Finally, finally,
one of the leading you know, professional coaches has has said, hey, look,
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you know this is going to hurt hurt our team
over time. And but you know, so all the all
the Patriots fans out there realize that it's going to
be a long time before the Patriots are competing in
a Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (35:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (35:49):
I agree, because the other thing, like from a player's standpoint,
they got to come out here. We got a weather issue.
You know, it's not as bad as Buffalo. I grew
up in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yeah no, I got you. Yeah, oh sure, yeah.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
And it's tougher to play.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, in the cold and the snow in December. But also, look,
maybe the Patriots might decide they're going to move to
New Hampshire. They are the New England Patriots, you know,
maybe who knows?
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Who knows.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I just think it's interesting that Belichick finally spoken up.
Daniel I got you before the break, but I got
a scoot, so I'm gonna let.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
You run for now.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Thanks so much for Colin for being a listener and
calling this program. I really appreciate your loyalty.
Speaker 10 (36:33):
Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
All Right, we get back. I got Danielle, I got Christine,
and I got pegged. The ladies are run to rule
the roost here right after the break.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
All right, let's get back to the call. It's got
my pal Danielle out a wooster. Danielle, I'd love to
know what you think about this. You're a sports fan too, hey, but.
Speaker 10 (36:59):
I don't want you.
Speaker 11 (37:01):
You know, the taxes are always.
Speaker 8 (37:02):
Interesting to me.
Speaker 11 (37:02):
I always, especially when I compare things to New England states.
You know, we've been trump no pun intended, they're trumps,
the tax achusets, you know, and everything else. But the
states that about us, mostly specifically Connecticut and New Hampshire,
are very guilty of a lot of other taxes that
blow us or out.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Of the water.
Speaker 11 (37:24):
New Hampshire's property taxes are probably like the third or
fourth highest in the country. So although they don't pay
income tax, you've got a really nice state that you're
living on. Let's take Tom Brady's mega mansion in Florida
and plumb get in New Hampshire. Let's just see how
much that's gonna cost into living there.
Speaker 10 (37:45):
So I think that nothing is free.
Speaker 11 (37:47):
We all know that that that you're going to get
it somewhere else. So I think that rather than focus on,
you know, what you're not going to get, let's focus
what you are getting. And these guys don't necessarily have
to the residents of Massachusetts, right, So doesn't it go
by you can hear me, right, No, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
If you play for the New England Patriots, if you
play for the New England Patriots, or you play for
the Boston Red Sox, you will be taxed as an
employee of the New England Patriots.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
It's like it's like someone living up in New Hampshire
who drives across the state line every day and works
in Thethuan.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
They pay Massachusetts state income tax.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
If they're because they live here.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
No, no, no, they live in New Hampshire and they
work in and they work as a whatever, you know,
a software engineer.
Speaker 8 (38:42):
And then make some kind of a split though. No, no, because.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
It's yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Live in New Hampshire, you work in Massachusetts, you pay
Massachusetts taxes, Danielle, I hate to do this year.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I got two more.
Speaker 11 (38:56):
It's fine, But I'm just saying, like sales tax, youth tax,
excise some of these states.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, Massachusetts is still Massachusetts is taxachuss. It's called Taxachusets
for a reason. Okay, trust me when you break the
numbers down, and I've done it many times, it's a
very expensive to state from taxes to live in.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Simple as that. And we don't get much. But will
we do? By the way, try the roads. Go go
to New Hampshire. See how good the roads are up
there compared to here. I got a scoop. I gotta scoop.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
We'll talk show, all right. Let me go real quickly, Christina,
got you in peg. I want to give you both
a chance.
Speaker 8 (39:35):
Go ahead, Christine, Okay, I agree with what you're saying.
Speaker 10 (39:39):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
I agree, yeah very much.
Speaker 8 (39:44):
It's crazy, Like I just I don't understand it all.
I really don't.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
They basically want to penalize success, and they want to
penalize the people who are successful, and the people who
are successful of the people that that go to restaurants,
that that that buy things, that employ other people in Massachusetts,
if you're successful, you will be penalized.
Speaker 10 (40:10):
It's absolutely crazy.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Totally with you, Totally with you, Christine. Thanks for being
sixtinct for me here because I want to get Peg
in for a second. Two Okay, Okay, have a good night,
a good day later on.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
I hope so, I hope so PEG is in Pepperal, Peg,
you're going to wrap it up for us.
Speaker 8 (40:27):
Go ahead, Peg, Hi, Dan, you know, I understand numbers
better than I understand sports, and your call from New
York hit it right on the button. And one thing
to add to his conversation was it just shows the
money that's being spent from Massachusetts, what poor management we
(40:48):
have had financially over the last I don't know, twenty years, thirty.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Years, got it, you know, Republicans and Democrats.
Speaker 8 (40:55):
Peg, Absolutely, this state is becoming, you know, and I
live in the border of New Hampshire and the roads
are better, by the.
Speaker 5 (41:03):
Way a question.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, and they have worse weather than we do peg,
I got to run. I'm flat out of time. Called
sooner and we'll do more time. Okay, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Done for the night, everybody. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Rob, thank you very much, Marita, thank you everybody. I'll
be doing night side Facebook, nightside postgame on Facebook. I
will tell you once again on dogs, all cats, all
pets go to heaven. That's my pal Charlie Rais, who
passed fourteen years ago on February. It's all your pets
are past. They love you, you love them. I do
believe you'll see him again. See you again tomorrow night.
Have a great Thursday, everyone,
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