September 27, 2024 • 40 mins
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy met face to face with both Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump, separately this week, to discuss the ongoing conflict with Russia. Listeners shared their opinions on who they thought would handle the war in Ukraine better, VP Harris or Trump?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's night Side with Dan Ray WBZ Costs Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, our number two coming up here on a
Friday night. It is Friday night, the twenty seventh of September.
The year is moving by much too quickly. I think
we can all agree upon that. But we're supposed to
have a nice weather weekend, so that's a plus, that's
for sure. We have to enjoy all of these fall
weekends because fall weekends turn into winter weekends. And winter
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weekends in New England wonderful for the skiers, but for
lots of us who are city bound, you got to
deal with the consequences of a snowy weekend. It can
be tough. You kind of spend a lot of time inside.
But we are moving into a conversation which I think
is an interesting conversation, and it is brought into focus
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for us by a visit that the President of Ukraine,
Voladimir Zelensky made to the United States. He came here,
come here several times, as he's continued, to the surprise
of many people, fight for two and a half years
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with Russia, and it actually would seem to a lot
of us that maybe Russia is back on their heels
at this point, for those of you who haven't followed
it closely, the Ukrainian troops have actually made incursions into Russia.
There have also been some missiles fired by Ukraine at
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targets inside Russia. Russia continues to hold some territory on
the east of Ukraine which Russia initially invaded. That line
of demarcation moves back and forth, and for a while
now it would appear that well they've sort of reached
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the stalemate, although although Ukrainian troops have in the last
few weeks actually crossed the border into Russia. So it's
not a war that we are following as closely as
we did. The thing that I think we should be
able to agree upon is that Ukraine has done much
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better than maybe many people expected. Many people expected that
the Russian military would roll right into Ukraine. So yesterday
Vice President Harris talked held a joint I don't say
it was a joint news conferences, sort of a joint
appearance with the President of Ukraine, and just to give
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you a sense of what the Vice President has been saying.
Of course, the Biden administration has been very supportive of Ukraine.
They have tried to keep a leash on Ukraine, meaning
they have given them weaponry at various points. That always
Ukraine has asked for more weaponry and more advanced weaponry
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than the Biden Harris administration has been willing to give.
But at this point Ukraine has actually gone on the offensive.
So this is the Vice president yesterday with President Zelenski.
This Vice President cut number twenty please Rob.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
We also know that other would be aggressors around the
world are watching to see what happens in Ukraine. If
Putin is allowed to win, they will become embolden. And
history reminds us, and history is so clear in reminding
us the United States cannot and should not isolate ourselves
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from the rest of the world. Isolation is not insolation.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Okay, That I think is the tone of the Biden administration.
And then one other SoundBite from the Vice president. This
is cut number twenty c Rob, twenty C.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
However, in candor to share with you, mister President, there
are some in my country who would instead force Ukraine
to give up large parts of its sovereign territory, who
would demand that Ukraine accept neutrality and would require Ukraine
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to forego security relationships with other nations. These proposals are
the same of those of Putin, and let us be clear,
they are not proposals for peace. Instead, they are proposals
for surrender, which is dangerous and unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Okay, let's hear from former President Trump. He held sort
of a joint event, a meeting a Trump Tower in
New York City today with President Zelensky. I don't believe
that President Trump had been in Lensky's president or have
been with Zelensky for above five years. The Biden administration
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arguably has been consistently supportive of Ukraine, again with limitations,
but this is President Trump today. Obviously Vice President Harris
was referring to Donald Trump because Trump is talking about well,
let's hear what he has to say. Got thirty six, Rob.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
This is a war that should have never happened.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
In another meeting in the near future between.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
You could very well happen. But I think the President
said it the best. This is a war that should
have never happened. It should have never happened, and it
wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It's a shame.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
But this is a war that should have never happened,
and we'll get it solved.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
It's a complicated puzzle, very complicated puzzle. But we'll get
it solved and people get on with their lives. Too
many people dead, too many beautiful cities. I've seen those
cities are so beautiful, and that you know for I
don't know how you can ever rebuild them the way
they were.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
It's not possible, by the way, to us will it's it's.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
A beautiful country, beautiful weather, beautiful, beautiful everything.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
But we have to get this uplis.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
But it's a war, and the president away is this
is a war that should have never happened. Okay, thank
you very much, so much, thank.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
You very much. So Obviously President Trump is emphasizing that
it would not have happened if he had been elected
in twenty twenty. Zelensky is doing what Zelensky needs to do,
and that is to meet with both of the presidential candidates.
One of them will be the next president will be
the forty seventh president of the United States, either Vice
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President Harris or former President Trump. One final quick comment
from Donald Trump, because obviously he is talking about his
ability to bring Zelinski and Putin to get other to
end the war. That is what he's talking about. Cut
thirty seven run.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
They also have a very good relationship, as you know,
with President Putin, and I think if we win, I
think we're going to get it resolved very quickly.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I really think we're going to get it.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yeah, but you know, it takes two to tango, you know, And.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
So take take what you want from that. Again, the
audio not exactly clear what what Zilensky was saying, but
that's the setup. That's the setup. Now a little context.
Putin is very upset, very upset with the fact that
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Ukraine has gotten weaponry from the United States, which has
allowed Ukraine to fire missiles inside the inside Russia. And
this is a comment that made recently, might even be
as recent as yesterday. This is through a translator, but
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you'll understand what he said. This is cut number twenty one.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
The updated version of the document proposes that aggression against
Russia by any non nuclear weapons state, but with the
participation or support of a nuclear weapons state, should be
regarded as a joint attack on the Russian Federation. The
conditions for Russia's transition to the use of nuclear weapons
are also clearly defined. We will consider such a possibility
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as soon as we receive reliable information about a massive
launch of aerospace attack means and their crossing of our
state border, meaning strategic or tactical aircraft, cruise missiles, drones,
hypersonic missiles, and other aircraft. We reserve the right to
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use nuclear weapons in the event of aggression against Russia
and Belarus as a member of the Union State. All
these issues have been agreed upon with the Belarusian side
and with the President of Belarus. This includes cases when
the enemy using conventional weapons poses a critical threat to
our sovereignty.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Well, that's pretty obvious. That's pretty obvious. Is he threatening?
He's threatening, But will he follow through on that threat
or is he just threatening? That's for you to decide,
wish of the two candidates, Vice President Harris a former
President Trump, would you if that is that is your
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most important issue? And it might not be, But on
that issue, which of these candidates do you have more
confidence in? The vice president or the former president six
seven two five four ten. We're going to do a
lot of this in the next few weeks. I guarantee
you we'll try to break down issues and make you think.
And by the way, I will also tell you that
later on tonight at eleven o'clock we will conduct our
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it's actually our seventh end of the month poll. We
started in March, April, May, June, July, August, and now September.
We will ask you in the twentieth hour of the
week to just tell us who would you be voting
for if the election were held today. The principles have changed.
We started off with President Biden, former President Trump, and
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Robert F. Kennedy Junior. That has all changed. Robert F.
Kennedy Junior is no longer in play and Joe Biden
has withdrawn as the Democratic nominee. So it'll be an interesting,
a clean one on one tonight during the eleven o'clock hour.
But I want to focus on Ukraine. Which candidate do
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you whatever you see as the result. I mean you
might look and say you want peace quickly, or you
might say, hey, we want Ukraine to do what it
has to do. It doesn't matter what your focus is.
Which candidate do you have more confidence? It's in you
have only two. You got to choose one six, one, seven, two, four,
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ten thirty, six, one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
We will talk about this until nine until ten and
my intention unless you want to talk about it long
and my intention is to talk about what's going on
in the Middle East. Today, Prime Minister Benjamin Nett Yahoo
gave a very very compelling speech. I'll try to use
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a word that is a neutral word. A compelling speech
at the United Nations today, and shortly after that speech
Israel hit what they believe is the headquarters of Hespola
and underground headquarters in the southern part of Beirut, which
may have killed the leader of Hespolah in the Middle
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East tonight is it's getting a little hotter over there
tonight back on night Side after this.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Night Side Studios WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So what I'm asking you to do tonight is to look
at one issue, and that is Ukraine. And you may
support one of the candidates and decide that they're the
best choice on every issue. Or you may have some
candidates that you like on this issue, some candidates you like,
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a candidate you like on the other issue. It does
it doesn't matter. You can be a diet in the world.
Harris supporter died in the wild Trump supporter. If they
if you support them, tell us why. And if you
happen to disagree with your candidate on this issue or
feel maybe the other candidate position is more to your liking.
That'll be interesting too, just trying to figure out one
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of the most important issues and how people feel about it.
So that's what we're doing. We'll do this for about
an hour. The only line open right now is A
six one seven. Going to start it off with Rashid
and Torchester. Rashid, who do you think would do a
better job in terms of Ukraine?
Speaker 7 (13:03):
Well, I think that President Trump would. One of the
reasons why I'm drawn to President Trump is because I
am an isolationist. I don't believe that America should get
in the affairs of other nations. And I think that
it's a pretty simple fix, and it's a simple fix
that President Trump would be capable of. And we tell
both sides. We tell Zelenski there will be no more
welfare from the United States of America to continuelessly fund
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your endless war for Russia. And we'll tell Putin that
if he does doesn't stop, will knew him? Pretty simple stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I don't know you want to tell you would really
tell tell Putin that, what do you think President.
Speaker 8 (13:41):
Well Trump was telling Putin through Pompeo that hey, if
you do something crazy, we're gonna drop everything we have
on you. That from will turn Saint Petersburg into a
pocket lot. And he was threatening Putin with with the
bombers we have in Germany to completely obliterate him if
he makes any weird moves into Ukraine. But also President
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Trump respected the Treaty of Budapest, he respected the borders,
and he did not have an interest when I think
when he had a press conference with Lensky, I think
five years ago, he was like, you know, we would
like if you would figure out your issues with President Pulin.
And I think that when we look at the Democrats,
especially President Fighting and President Obama, there's always been some
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level of regime change in Russia, whether they're throwing a coup,
which they did in twenty fourteen, I believe to get
rid of their democratically elected president to put in somebody
that's anti Russia. Like, let the people Ukraine decide what
they want to do. If they want to be neutral, wonderful.
If they want to be pro America, great, If they
want to be pro Russia, fine, But I have to
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ask you.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
This question, why do you think Ronald Reagan would come
down on this situation? Do you think he would come
down closer to Trump's position, closer to Harris is Biden's position.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
Well, I'm not the biggest fan of Ronald Reagan, but
Ronald Reagan was a neo Khan, so I think that
he would be on the side of President Biden. I mean,
we've seen that ron Contra affair.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
An honest answer, that's that's I know that's that's an
honest answer. I think you're right. I think that you've
seen Russia or the Soviet Union as a as a
danger to the to the free world.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
But you know, Dan, I think that we need to
mature past this neo Khan globalist mindset and we need
to look at it like this. I think that Russia,
I'm not a fan of Pudin. I'm not a pro
Russian person, but I think it's better for us to
be friends with them than enemies, because look at what
has happened with US isolating Russia. They are now becoming
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allied with China. So it's like we have more in
common with Russia. I think the idea of NATO is ridiculous.
I think that what's the point of having in alliance
that we're all on Plushian energy. This is alliance to
protect against Russia. They don't pay their bills and they
rely on Russian energy. How about we all work together,
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and how about we rebuild a relationship with Russia and
have a peaceful future for our children, and we could
just focus solely on China and what's happening in the
Middle League.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I got you down clearly, as you think that the
the the Trump policies are policies that that you you
support in terms of Ukraine. That's fair. That's fair. I
appreciate it. Good good argument, Thanks Rashid. Let's keep rolling here.
Let me go to Patrick don in DC and Washington. Patrick,
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which of these two candidates are you more comfortable with
just in terms of just Ukraine?
Speaker 9 (16:51):
Just just absolutely just Ukraine. And then I don't want
to say anything negative against our American daughters, the vice president,
but I'm going to fully agree with President Trump when
he states if this war should never happened, and it
would not have happened if he was in the old office.
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I also believe that he understands his adversary, mister Putin,
is not his friend, mister Putin is his adversary, and
mister Trump won't speak out both sides of his mouth.
And as we look at history and understand what mister
Putin is, we must understand the real politic in this.
I believe miss Harris is just not fit into the
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puzzle of the real politic, and the real politic behind
this is if you look at our mediate history and
how the invasions of Ukraine began. Please excuse me, and
I'm not here to offend anybody, and you cut me
off as they stop right there, Patrick, But the white
Russian did not listen to the black American male. He
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is definitely not going to listen to the black American
mals under no circumstances. And good luck and anybody calling to.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, well, so okay, we're getting into an area. I'm
not going to cut you off. But why do you
think race would have anything to do with this? It
would seem to me that the military that Putin would
fear would be the American military, irrespective of who the
president was, or is or will.
Speaker 9 (18:25):
Be, because he sees how they think and he's going
to outthink them and will well, I'm sorry some of
some of the people who have been elected in the
American that we have elected.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Okay, so I think what you're saying. I hope what
you're saying is that that that Putin may look at
the Democrats, some of the Democrats as an easier mark.
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 9 (18:51):
Correct, because he understands that softness in them that says.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Nothing that's got nothing to do with race. I mean,
if if Bernie Sanders was president or Elizabeth Warren was president,
I don't think he would be looking at it from
a racial point of view. I think he'd be looking
at it from a well this there's another Democrat who
uh who has been stung by American involvement in Vietnam
and other places around the world, and I think that's
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probably what his mindset might be. I can't agree with
you on that.
Speaker 10 (19:22):
I will I will, I will learn from you tonight,
but I you know.
Speaker 9 (19:25):
I will look at my perspective of what real politics
can be because those people over there have a backbone
of will that we sometimes have lost.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Well. Biden Biden has has has has joined Ukraine here
for two and a half years. I was surprised that
Ukraine was able to survive the Russian onslaught, were you not?
Speaker 9 (19:48):
Uh well, yes, and no. I think it should have
been calculated that it should not have happened. As soon
as you saw him building his stuff up on the border,
he should have been cut off. I mean, if I
don't disagree with that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
By the way, that's the first point that you've made
that I've I would agree with. I think that that
once you, once uh something gets set in motion, it's
tough to turn it around. It'll be tough for Putin
to withdraw without being able to claim some sort of
a victory. Ferrick or otherwise.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's serious.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
It's just it's a serious situation. Uh just I just
believe that the the redhead will give him the evil
eye and he'll back down.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
All right, we'll see, Uh I got you down, then
you you for different kind of a different reason, but
similar reason in many respects. You would receive him on
the same page. Thanks. Thanks Patrick, I enjoyed the car.
We're gonna come back. The only line we have opened
right now is the one that Patrick is just vacating
six ten thirty. Everything else is full. We're coming up
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with Gary. We'll also have Susan and Cambridge. We got
Rick in Pennsylvania, Jerry Done and Raynham and we get
room for you at six point seven two five. Well,
just filled. We'll be back right after this.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
You're on Night Side with on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Okay, so we're basically asking you a question through the
lens of Ukraine. Which presidential candidate do you have more
confidence in? Vice President Harris a former President Trump. Let
me go to Gary and Northbridge. Gary, you next on Nightside.
Go right ahead.
Speaker 11 (21:30):
Hey, Dan, you've been I've been doing just great.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Gary, Thanks for checking back. What's what's your take on
this topic. I we're going to do this on a
lot of topics, by the way, and in the next
few weeks, we're coming up on about five weeks that
the election is going to be here before we know it.
Speaker 11 (21:45):
Sure, it's coming close. I mean, look, given the choices,
I would I would go with Trump only, I think
for lack of other choices maybe, but I think his
policy on this. Okay, So this policy is let's stop
this nonsense. And the reason I say nonsense is because
we have to look at this a little bit deeper.
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And I have a feeling that he's onto something here.
I know people like to make fun of him, and
I even make fun of him sometimes, but I mean,
this is so clearly. I mean, Russia is arguably the
maybe first, second, or third most powerful nation in the world,
and you've got the Ukraine, which has very little standing.
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If we were going to rank them. Now, we can
give all the weapons and all this stuff, and we've
give them all this great stuff, but just sheer body
count army versus army, there is no way that Russia
actually loses this war. So there's something going on, and
well that's not what your show is about tonight, so
we're not going to talk about that. But this needs
to end because there's something funny going on here. There's
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a lot of money flowing and it seems very very
odd that this massive country, you know, so strong, can't
make any inroads and this has to become an endless,
forever war because they really wanted the Ukraine. They just
take it. Let's face it.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Well, here's the I thought that back in the when
the war started, and you know, in twenty twenty two,
I thought to myself, Okay, this is going to be
a couple of weeks and they'll just roll. But obviously
Ukraine has stood the test of time. Now, I don't
know if it's the strength of the spirit of the people,
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but I agree with you on paper, it's like watching
a football game and one team is a twenty one
point favorite, and you're going into the fourth quarter and
it's tied seven to seven. It's like, what's wrong with
this picture?
Speaker 11 (23:44):
It almost seems purposely mismanaged. It just just something thinks
about it by putin, by I think by Putin because
I'm not so sure. Well, because you've got when you
look at all of arts and all, when you really
look at the whole picture and the close relationship between
the two countries and the populations of the two countries,
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it almost seems like it's not like he's like he's
trying to do something that he's not really saying what
he's trying to do. But there's something more here that
we just aren't either privy to or or or aren't
maybe enlightened enough, you know, in that group to really
see that this Because if you've got billions and billions
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of dollars exchanging hands, arms are flowing around all over
the place. I mean, it is crazy, and it's not
just them shooting back, because if they really wanted it again,
they could just mask their army and just march in
and would share numbers, just take them out. But they
don't want to do that, so they don't want to
destroy the country or they just would they they want
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to an accident. Yeah, well you know they have, but
when you come down to it, they I don't know,
this is not you know, I can't think of a
good analogy.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Do you think? To me, it's like, do you think
that that Trump has some sort of a magical formula
that he has some sort of a hold on Putin
where he's going to say no?
Speaker 11 (25:16):
So I think there's the hold. I think he gets
what we don't only because of where he's been being
the past president. He knows things that we simply don't know.
And I think if he was the president, I think
he would just simply say, guys, enough, we're not going
to keep funding this and you're not going to go
in and slaughter them, and when they're not joining NATO,
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and what's the next topic. You know, I think you
might be right. What happened?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
You might be right.
Speaker 12 (25:46):
Gary.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
You threw something on the table. I think is interesting.
Great call. Appreciate it very much. I really do.
Speaker 11 (25:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Right now, let me go to Susan in Cambridge. You
love to get Susan's take. Hi, Susan, how are you tonight?
Speaker 13 (25:58):
I'm good, Dan, and I'm glad you're just discussing this topic.
I thought that this was one of Harris's strongest moments
in the debate. You know, when she and kind of
surprisingly but when she said, you know, to Trump that
Putin would eat his lunch and at that point it
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kind of her saying that at that point in the
debate when she was actually starting to eat his lunch,
and then the course of the debate itself kind of
really drove it home. He looked weak, He looked very weak.
And so what.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
What do you think Harris would do? I mean, I
assume you're going to tell me that Harris would be
a better as a president. I think I know your
Harris supported, which is fine. Tell me what she would
be able to do, uh, in terms of Ukraine that
that would be more effective than what Trump would would
try to do.
Speaker 13 (26:57):
Well, First of all, I disagree with the notion that
or I think it's a bit simplistic. The notion that
you know, as Trump said, this wouldn't have happened, you know,
on his on his watch.
Speaker 14 (27:11):
And.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
There's no doubt that.
Speaker 13 (27:15):
Well, because here's the thing though, is that can we
agree that that Putin pretty much thinks now that he's
president for life. Yeah, so he's right, So he's he's
got the long game in mind. So why would he
so he can sort of pick and choose like when
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he's going to do things. And so when he's got
Trump in, who's you know, dissing, dissing NATO, destabilizing democracy
in the US, Like why would he want to make
Trump look bad by going into Ukraine? Then he wouldn't,
So I understand why he went in now, But your question.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Is because of his friendship. So you know, I use
that in air quotes with Trump. He didn't want to
embarrass Trump. He goes in when Biden.
Speaker 13 (28:06):
And Harris he's getting things. He's getting things from Trump
that that are also long term sort of goals.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You know.
Speaker 13 (28:15):
Well, again, the stable, the dis respect and disregard for NATO,
which he would love to see NATO just you know
fall apart, wouldn't he And well Trump.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Basically and again I want to argue with you, But
I mean Trump said to NATO, hey, you know this country.
It's funny back thirty years ago, Ronald Reagan was and
al Hague, they were big NATO guys because they felt
that we needed NATO. Where do you think Ronald Reagan
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would fall on this issue right now? I mean, I
don't think that Ronald Reagan would be happy that Russia
was in Ukraine again. Ukraine is striking back. You heard
the sound bite from Putin through the translator. You would
all worried that if Ukraine does something too spectacular that
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Putin might turn around and.
Speaker 13 (29:16):
Throw a tactically not really, I mean at this point,
he's been threatening that on and off since the beginning,
and that that has been an underlying fear of people,
and it's been a reason why I think the Biden
administration has kind of kept the you know, kept Ukraine
a bit in check, and then they're giving him a
little more relation, a little more relation. I don't think
it's let me ask you this unch they were to
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do something really stupid. Okay, I don't think they are
going to do anything really.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Question, do you see sort of an evolution here that
the Biden Harris administration is the one that is talking
the toughest. They sort of have inherited the Republican foreign
policy of the nineteen eighties, while Donald Trump is sounding
much more of kind of the traditional democratic politician. When
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Ted Kennedy in the nineteen eighties actually had a secret trip,
I think it was to meet procedion in Russia. It
was the idea that Ted Kennedy was trying to establish
a different relationship with Russia. Do you see that switching
positions that I perceive or no. I'm just curious, yes
or no. I don't argue the plan.
Speaker 13 (30:24):
Maybe, but I think for different motives. I think there
are different motives involved. Okay, so, but in terms of
actual dis manifestation, I guess you could kind of say that.
But the other thing to keep in mind is that
no matter what happens, unless Russia really pays a big
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price and their army is just kind of decimated, their
economy is decimated, regardless of what happens, and could turn
around and sign an agreement, you know, in two weeks now.
But keep you back again, because like I said, he's
president for life, like there is Okay, I wouldn't trust
I wouldn't trust any agreements.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So you feel I just you know, clearly you and
I have talked around each other a little bit here,
but but you you feel that the person who should
handle this in the best interest of the US would
be Vice.
Speaker 14 (31:18):
President Harris Yes, and in the in the UH for
the Western democracy, you know, not just for the United States,
but just you know, Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Okay, thanks, thanks susing them up my break, So I
gotta let you go.
Speaker 10 (31:36):
Good night.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
We'll take a break. Coming right back on night Side.
Right after these messages.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
All right, back to the phones. Let's try to get
everybody in here. Jerry is in random. Jerry, You're next
on Nightside. Go right ahead, Jerry.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Dan.
Speaker 10 (31:57):
I was very happy to hear Susan refor the break there,
because I was really getting a little disturbed by people
talking about isolationists and we need to become isolationists, you know.
I spent some time this summer in New Orleans and
went to the World War Two Museum. I'm curious if
you've ever been to that.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
No, I haven't, but I've been to a museum similar
to that. They had a World War Two museum in
for many years, by the way, which is quite quite impressive.
Speaker 10 (32:27):
Yeah. Actually my brother went to that and he told
me it was great. But this is the best museum
in the country, and you would be surprised why it's
in New Orleans. But they have an entire section devoted
to the isolationist thing. Charles Limberg. A lot of people
don't realize was an isolationist, and it was. And they
have an entire room devoted to the people who pulled
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America to stay out of World War Two. And it
all came up today when I saw Trump standing next
to Zelenski in his maral Lago today.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I believe that meeting was in New York today.
Speaker 10 (33:06):
Yeah, I'm sorry, that's right, Trump Tower, You're absolutely right
with a frunt tower. Sorry about that, no problem. But
he's standing to Zylensky and he's saying, how there's the
stuff going on in Russia and Ukraine is the worst
thing that's ever happened to the world. And it's that
hyperbole that you know, Zelensky was obviously he needs to
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do something to appeal to both of the candidates, but
it was so cringe worthy and I thought back to
my father, who fought in World War Two in the
Pacific theater, and what he would be thinking today listening
to somebody trying to be president of the United States
this time a second time around. Talking like that, you
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bring up break in.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
There's a good in all fearness Jr. There's there's a
good tradition with the Democratic Party. You know, George McGovern
in nineteen seventy two was you know, considered the peace candidate.
There's there's been, you know, a tradition within the Democratic
Party to to to just not to get involved as
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much in foreign activities. You call it isolation, but in
his core, that is exactly what it was.
Speaker 10 (34:20):
I totally agree that kind of weird period in history. Well,
it is weird in history. The Democrats is that one
trying to save depocracy.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
The Democrats are now very much would be very comfortable
with Ronald Reagan's foreign.
Speaker 10 (34:38):
Policy exactly weird. That was the question that I have
a weird situation we're in as a country right now.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Donald Trump almost sounds very similar on a lot of
things to sort of the fortress America, the isolationist policy
in terms from from a military perspective, not necessarily from
an economic perspective. He will use arras extensively. Anyway, it's
just for I find it funny. So you think obviously, Harris,
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So you you agree with Susan that Harris.
Speaker 10 (35:09):
Said, absolutely good. What I've been what I've been hearing
right now is that Trump literally wants a d military.
You know, when people say what's his policy and he's
scared to say it. He wants a de militarized zone.
This is what I've been hearing from the North Korea,
South Korea, where you have a de militarized zone and
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Russia gets Crimea and that's his solution. And that's no
solution at all.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
It would be like when Russia invade Jerry, don't yell
at me, Jerry, Joe, you don't have to yell at me.
I can hear you, Jerry Okay, can you hear me? Good?
Speaker 10 (35:47):
I can.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Who took Crimea? When? When was Crimea taken? Not under
Donald Trump? Was it.
Speaker 10 (35:54):
Twenty fourteen?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Who was president?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Right?
Speaker 10 (35:58):
I understand Obama.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
We have the calls I got to get to. I
was afraid you couldn't hear me. Jerry Okay, thanks so
much for your call. Appreciate it. Let me go next
to Rick in Pennsylvania. Come on, folks, you want to
have a conversation, you want to yell at me? Go ahead, Bill, Rick,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Oh hello Dan, how are you tonight?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Good? Rick? I was looking at Bill. He's one. He's
coming up next, Go ahead, Rick, Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Well I want to say is that the time for
diplomacy was when Putin was putting his troops and his
bombs and his tanks along long the Ukrainian border. I
was two and a half years ago. But see, here's
the week. This is the week. This is the Biden
Kamala Harris administration. They're a week on everything. They're totally weak.
That could have been, they could have had talks at
that time, but let that six week period of time
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just put the put everything together to attack Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Well, I think that was the time for diplomacy. I'm
not not sure there's much diplomas opportunity for diplomacy now
after millions of people have have died, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Mean, yeah, well it's a terrible thing.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
You shouldn't say millions, I should say you know, tens
of hundreds of thousands have died.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Well, that was the time that was the time to talk,
that was the time to take putin in a different direction.
Speaker 11 (37:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
But see that's the weakness, that's the weakness of President Biden.
He just doesn't stand up for international affairs and foreign policy.
Speaker 10 (37:24):
He just doesn't stand up for these things.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Okay, So so you would you're you would feel Trump
would be a better and more effective president from our
interest in the World's interesting.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I believe so because Trump Trump has more more experience
in foreign policy. I mean, he met with the guy
in North Kolokorea there, Kim jongong, He met with him.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
They both have about four years. He had four years
as president and Harris has four years, well three and
a half years or three and three quarters years.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Well, well, the thing with Kamala Harris is that she's
a lightweight. She's not going to be able to get
anything done with fore.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I mean that you might believe that that she's a lightweight,
but I just think that's name calling. So you know,
we don't have to u you know, you you don't
have to attack people that way. I mean, she's a
former United States senator, she's current former United States senator,
current vice president. So I mean that's those are some
pretty good credentials. Uh, Rick, I gotta grab one. I
gotta I got a countryman of you was building from Pennsylvania.
(38:22):
Thanks Rick, Let me go to building Pennsylvania. Build a
get less than a minute before you go right ahead?
Speaker 12 (38:28):
Yeah, thanks Dan. Hey, I've been listening to you for
years and never heard you yell at nobody. That was interesting.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Well, thank you. It's just that when you when you
when you're trying to have a conversation and the person
just wants to talk over you. What else are you
supposed to do? Am I supposed to say? Hey, here
you go, Jeff, why don't you take the microphone and
uh and run the show for the I mean is
that I'm not doing?
Speaker 12 (38:51):
That?
Speaker 11 (38:52):
Was that?
Speaker 12 (38:53):
Was? That was called for? Hey, listen, Uh the way
what I can't understand is, Okay, every time Celenski comes
comes to our country, for as he walks out the
door with what the other day they gave him another
yesterday gave another eight billion dollars eight billion. Here, here's
eight billion, here's six billion. I'll say Trump would do
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a better job because uh of what he's done in
the past for the uh you know, he's taking he's
taking out Uh, terrorists. Uh, and uh, he doesn't fool around.
So I think this the problem with the Democrats these
days is it's unending, unending diplomacy. You know, it's just
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it's just peace at any cost, and uh, it just
goes on and on and on. And uh I think that, Well, ironically,
there's not a.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Lot of peace there. I mean there's there's there's not
a lot of peace in in in Israel, in the
Middle East. There's not a lot of peace. And by
the way, we're going to talk about Israel, uh, next
hour and specifically Benjamin you know who's speech today at
the United Nations, which I thought was brilliant.
Speaker 10 (40:00):
Yes, I heard it.
Speaker 12 (40:01):
Hey, Dan Tamala is going down in the polls over
here in Pennsylvania. I can tell you the women are
not enthralled.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Keep us posted and if you want, you can vote
during a poll tonight at eleven o'clock. Everybody gets a haul.
Speaker 8 (40:16):
Of pasch Come back.
Speaker 12 (40:17):
All right, thanks, thanks.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Bill, gonna run appreciate you call. We're done for now
on this topic. We're gonna come back and talk about
Benjamin Netanyahu and what has gone down in Israel today.
It is a very dangerous set of circumstances that are
colliding over there. We want to talk about it right
after the ten o'clock news on Nightside
It's night Side with Dan Ray WBZ Costs Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, our number two coming up here on a
Friday night. It is Friday night, the twenty seventh of September.
The year is moving by much too quickly. I think
we can all agree upon that. But we're supposed to
have a nice weather weekend, so that's a plus, that's
for sure. We have to enjoy all of these fall
weekends because fall weekends turn into winter weekends. And winter
(00:27):
weekends in New England wonderful for the skiers, but for
lots of us who are city bound, you got to
deal with the consequences of a snowy weekend. It can
be tough. You kind of spend a lot of time inside.
But we are moving into a conversation which I think
is an interesting conversation, and it is brought into focus
(00:49):
for us by a visit that the President of Ukraine,
Voladimir Zelensky made to the United States. He came here,
come here several times, as he's continued, to the surprise
of many people, fight for two and a half years
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with Russia, and it actually would seem to a lot
of us that maybe Russia is back on their heels
at this point, for those of you who haven't followed
it closely, the Ukrainian troops have actually made incursions into Russia.
There have also been some missiles fired by Ukraine at
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targets inside Russia. Russia continues to hold some territory on
the east of Ukraine which Russia initially invaded. That line
of demarcation moves back and forth, and for a while
now it would appear that well they've sort of reached
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the stalemate, although although Ukrainian troops have in the last
few weeks actually crossed the border into Russia. So it's
not a war that we are following as closely as
we did. The thing that I think we should be
able to agree upon is that Ukraine has done much
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better than maybe many people expected. Many people expected that
the Russian military would roll right into Ukraine. So yesterday
Vice President Harris talked held a joint I don't say
it was a joint news conferences, sort of a joint
appearance with the President of Ukraine, and just to give
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you a sense of what the Vice President has been saying.
Of course, the Biden administration has been very supportive of Ukraine.
They have tried to keep a leash on Ukraine, meaning
they have given them weaponry at various points. That always
Ukraine has asked for more weaponry and more advanced weaponry
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than the Biden Harris administration has been willing to give.
But at this point Ukraine has actually gone on the offensive.
So this is the Vice president yesterday with President Zelenski.
This Vice President cut number twenty please Rob.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
We also know that other would be aggressors around the
world are watching to see what happens in Ukraine. If
Putin is allowed to win, they will become embolden. And
history reminds us, and history is so clear in reminding
us the United States cannot and should not isolate ourselves
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from the rest of the world. Isolation is not insolation.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Okay, That I think is the tone of the Biden administration.
And then one other SoundBite from the Vice president. This
is cut number twenty c Rob, twenty C.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
However, in candor to share with you, mister President, there
are some in my country who would instead force Ukraine
to give up large parts of its sovereign territory, who
would demand that Ukraine accept neutrality and would require Ukraine
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to forego security relationships with other nations. These proposals are
the same of those of Putin, and let us be clear,
they are not proposals for peace. Instead, they are proposals
for surrender, which is dangerous and unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Okay, let's hear from former President Trump. He held sort
of a joint event, a meeting a Trump Tower in
New York City today with President Zelensky. I don't believe
that President Trump had been in Lensky's president or have
been with Zelensky for above five years. The Biden administration
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arguably has been consistently supportive of Ukraine, again with limitations,
but this is President Trump today. Obviously Vice President Harris
was referring to Donald Trump because Trump is talking about well,
let's hear what he has to say. Got thirty six, Rob.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
This is a war that should have never happened.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
In another meeting in the near future between.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
You could very well happen. But I think the President
said it the best. This is a war that should
have never happened. It should have never happened, and it
wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
It's a shame.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
But this is a war that should have never happened,
and we'll get it solved.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
It's a complicated puzzle, very complicated puzzle. But we'll get
it solved and people get on with their lives. Too
many people dead, too many beautiful cities. I've seen those
cities are so beautiful, and that you know for I
don't know how you can ever rebuild them the way
they were.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
It's not possible, by the way, to us will it's it's.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
A beautiful country, beautiful weather, beautiful, beautiful everything.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
But we have to get this uplis.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
But it's a war, and the president away is this
is a war that should have never happened. Okay, thank
you very much, so much, thank.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
You very much. So Obviously President Trump is emphasizing that
it would not have happened if he had been elected
in twenty twenty. Zelensky is doing what Zelensky needs to do,
and that is to meet with both of the presidential candidates.
One of them will be the next president will be
the forty seventh president of the United States, either Vice
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President Harris or former President Trump. One final quick comment
from Donald Trump, because obviously he is talking about his
ability to bring Zelinski and Putin to get other to
end the war. That is what he's talking about. Cut
thirty seven run.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
They also have a very good relationship, as you know,
with President Putin, and I think if we win, I
think we're going to get it resolved very quickly.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I really think we're going to get it.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yeah, but you know, it takes two to tango, you know, And.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
So take take what you want from that. Again, the
audio not exactly clear what what Zilensky was saying, but
that's the setup. That's the setup. Now a little context.
Putin is very upset, very upset with the fact that
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Ukraine has gotten weaponry from the United States, which has
allowed Ukraine to fire missiles inside the inside Russia. And
this is a comment that made recently, might even be
as recent as yesterday. This is through a translator, but
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you'll understand what he said. This is cut number twenty one.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
The updated version of the document proposes that aggression against
Russia by any non nuclear weapons state, but with the
participation or support of a nuclear weapons state, should be
regarded as a joint attack on the Russian Federation. The
conditions for Russia's transition to the use of nuclear weapons
are also clearly defined. We will consider such a possibility
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as soon as we receive reliable information about a massive
launch of aerospace attack means and their crossing of our
state border, meaning strategic or tactical aircraft, cruise missiles, drones,
hypersonic missiles, and other aircraft. We reserve the right to
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use nuclear weapons in the event of aggression against Russia
and Belarus as a member of the Union State. All
these issues have been agreed upon with the Belarusian side
and with the President of Belarus. This includes cases when
the enemy using conventional weapons poses a critical threat to
our sovereignty.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Well, that's pretty obvious. That's pretty obvious. Is he threatening?
He's threatening, But will he follow through on that threat
or is he just threatening? That's for you to decide,
wish of the two candidates, Vice President Harris a former
President Trump, would you if that is that is your
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most important issue? And it might not be, But on
that issue, which of these candidates do you have more
confidence in? The vice president or the former president six
seven two five four ten. We're going to do a
lot of this in the next few weeks. I guarantee
you we'll try to break down issues and make you think.
And by the way, I will also tell you that
later on tonight at eleven o'clock we will conduct our
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it's actually our seventh end of the month poll. We
started in March, April, May, June, July, August, and now September.
We will ask you in the twentieth hour of the
week to just tell us who would you be voting
for if the election were held today. The principles have changed.
We started off with President Biden, former President Trump, and
(10:19):
Robert F. Kennedy Junior. That has all changed. Robert F.
Kennedy Junior is no longer in play and Joe Biden
has withdrawn as the Democratic nominee. So it'll be an interesting,
a clean one on one tonight during the eleven o'clock hour.
But I want to focus on Ukraine. Which candidate do
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you whatever you see as the result. I mean you
might look and say you want peace quickly, or you
might say, hey, we want Ukraine to do what it
has to do. It doesn't matter what your focus is.
Which candidate do you have more confidence? It's in you
have only two. You got to choose one six, one, seven, two, four,
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ten thirty, six, one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
We will talk about this until nine until ten and
my intention unless you want to talk about it long
and my intention is to talk about what's going on
in the Middle East. Today, Prime Minister Benjamin Nett Yahoo
gave a very very compelling speech. I'll try to use
(11:27):
a word that is a neutral word. A compelling speech
at the United Nations today, and shortly after that speech
Israel hit what they believe is the headquarters of Hespola
and underground headquarters in the southern part of Beirut, which
may have killed the leader of Hespolah in the Middle
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East tonight is it's getting a little hotter over there
tonight back on night Side after this.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Night Side Studios WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So what I'm asking you to do tonight is to look
at one issue, and that is Ukraine. And you may
support one of the candidates and decide that they're the
best choice on every issue. Or you may have some
candidates that you like on this issue, some candidates you like,
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a candidate you like on the other issue. It does
it doesn't matter. You can be a diet in the world.
Harris supporter died in the wild Trump supporter. If they
if you support them, tell us why. And if you
happen to disagree with your candidate on this issue or
feel maybe the other candidate position is more to your liking.
That'll be interesting too, just trying to figure out one
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of the most important issues and how people feel about it.
So that's what we're doing. We'll do this for about
an hour. The only line open right now is A
six one seven. Going to start it off with Rashid
and Torchester. Rashid, who do you think would do a
better job in terms of Ukraine?
Speaker 7 (13:03):
Well, I think that President Trump would. One of the
reasons why I'm drawn to President Trump is because I
am an isolationist. I don't believe that America should get
in the affairs of other nations. And I think that
it's a pretty simple fix, and it's a simple fix
that President Trump would be capable of. And we tell
both sides. We tell Zelenski there will be no more
welfare from the United States of America to continuelessly fund
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your endless war for Russia. And we'll tell Putin that
if he does doesn't stop, will knew him? Pretty simple stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I don't know you want to tell you would really
tell tell Putin that, what do you think President.
Speaker 8 (13:41):
Well Trump was telling Putin through Pompeo that hey, if
you do something crazy, we're gonna drop everything we have
on you. That from will turn Saint Petersburg into a
pocket lot. And he was threatening Putin with with the
bombers we have in Germany to completely obliterate him if
he makes any weird moves into Ukraine. But also President
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Trump respected the Treaty of Budapest, he respected the borders,
and he did not have an interest when I think
when he had a press conference with Lensky, I think
five years ago, he was like, you know, we would
like if you would figure out your issues with President Pulin.
And I think that when we look at the Democrats,
especially President Fighting and President Obama, there's always been some
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level of regime change in Russia, whether they're throwing a coup,
which they did in twenty fourteen, I believe to get
rid of their democratically elected president to put in somebody
that's anti Russia. Like, let the people Ukraine decide what
they want to do. If they want to be neutral, wonderful.
If they want to be pro America, great, If they
want to be pro Russia, fine, But I have to
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ask you.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
This question, why do you think Ronald Reagan would come
down on this situation? Do you think he would come
down closer to Trump's position, closer to Harris is Biden's position.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
Well, I'm not the biggest fan of Ronald Reagan, but
Ronald Reagan was a neo Khan, so I think that
he would be on the side of President Biden. I mean,
we've seen that ron Contra affair.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
An honest answer, that's that's I know that's that's an
honest answer. I think you're right. I think that you've
seen Russia or the Soviet Union as a as a
danger to the to the free world.
Speaker 7 (15:28):
But you know, Dan, I think that we need to
mature past this neo Khan globalist mindset and we need
to look at it like this. I think that Russia,
I'm not a fan of Pudin. I'm not a pro
Russian person, but I think it's better for us to
be friends with them than enemies, because look at what
has happened with US isolating Russia. They are now becoming
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allied with China. So it's like we have more in
common with Russia. I think the idea of NATO is ridiculous.
I think that what's the point of having in alliance
that we're all on Plushian energy. This is alliance to
protect against Russia. They don't pay their bills and they
rely on Russian energy. How about we all work together,
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and how about we rebuild a relationship with Russia and
have a peaceful future for our children, and we could
just focus solely on China and what's happening in the
Middle League.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I got you down clearly, as you think that the
the the Trump policies are policies that that you you
support in terms of Ukraine. That's fair. That's fair. I
appreciate it. Good good argument, Thanks Rashid. Let's keep rolling here.
Let me go to Patrick don in DC and Washington. Patrick,
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which of these two candidates are you more comfortable with
just in terms of just Ukraine?
Speaker 9 (16:51):
Just just absolutely just Ukraine. And then I don't want
to say anything negative against our American daughters, the vice president,
but I'm going to fully agree with President Trump when
he states if this war should never happened, and it
would not have happened if he was in the old office.
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I also believe that he understands his adversary, mister Putin,
is not his friend, mister Putin is his adversary, and
mister Trump won't speak out both sides of his mouth.
And as we look at history and understand what mister
Putin is, we must understand the real politic in this.
I believe miss Harris is just not fit into the
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puzzle of the real politic, and the real politic behind
this is if you look at our mediate history and
how the invasions of Ukraine began. Please excuse me, and
I'm not here to offend anybody, and you cut me
off as they stop right there, Patrick, But the white
Russian did not listen to the black American male. He
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is definitely not going to listen to the black American
mals under no circumstances. And good luck and anybody calling to.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, well, so okay, we're getting into an area. I'm
not going to cut you off. But why do you
think race would have anything to do with this? It
would seem to me that the military that Putin would
fear would be the American military, irrespective of who the
president was, or is or will.
Speaker 9 (18:25):
Be, because he sees how they think and he's going
to outthink them and will well, I'm sorry some of
some of the people who have been elected in the
American that we have elected.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Okay, so I think what you're saying. I hope what
you're saying is that that that Putin may look at
the Democrats, some of the Democrats as an easier mark.
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 9 (18:51):
Correct, because he understands that softness in them that says.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Nothing that's got nothing to do with race. I mean,
if if Bernie Sanders was president or Elizabeth Warren was president,
I don't think he would be looking at it from
a racial point of view. I think he'd be looking
at it from a well this there's another Democrat who
uh who has been stung by American involvement in Vietnam
and other places around the world, and I think that's
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probably what his mindset might be. I can't agree with
you on that.
Speaker 10 (19:22):
I will I will, I will learn from you tonight,
but I you know.
Speaker 9 (19:25):
I will look at my perspective of what real politics
can be because those people over there have a backbone
of will that we sometimes have lost.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Well. Biden Biden has has has has joined Ukraine here
for two and a half years. I was surprised that
Ukraine was able to survive the Russian onslaught, were you not?
Speaker 9 (19:48):
Uh well, yes, and no. I think it should have
been calculated that it should not have happened. As soon
as you saw him building his stuff up on the border,
he should have been cut off. I mean, if I
don't disagree with that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
By the way, that's the first point that you've made
that I've I would agree with. I think that that
once you, once uh something gets set in motion, it's
tough to turn it around. It'll be tough for Putin
to withdraw without being able to claim some sort of
a victory. Ferrick or otherwise.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's serious.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
It's just it's a serious situation. Uh just I just
believe that the the redhead will give him the evil
eye and he'll back down.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
All right, we'll see, Uh I got you down, then
you you for different kind of a different reason, but
similar reason in many respects. You would receive him on
the same page. Thanks. Thanks Patrick, I enjoyed the car.
We're gonna come back. The only line we have opened
right now is the one that Patrick is just vacating
six ten thirty. Everything else is full. We're coming up
(20:54):
with Gary. We'll also have Susan and Cambridge. We got
Rick in Pennsylvania, Jerry Done and Raynham and we get
room for you at six point seven two five. Well,
just filled. We'll be back right after this.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
You're on Night Side with on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Okay, so we're basically asking you a question through the
lens of Ukraine. Which presidential candidate do you have more
confidence in? Vice President Harris a former President Trump. Let
me go to Gary and Northbridge. Gary, you next on Nightside.
Go right ahead.
Speaker 11 (21:30):
Hey, Dan, you've been I've been doing just great.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Gary, Thanks for checking back. What's what's your take on
this topic. I we're going to do this on a
lot of topics, by the way, and in the next
few weeks, we're coming up on about five weeks that
the election is going to be here before we know it.
Speaker 11 (21:45):
Sure, it's coming close. I mean, look, given the choices,
I would I would go with Trump only, I think
for lack of other choices maybe, but I think his
policy on this. Okay, So this policy is let's stop
this nonsense. And the reason I say nonsense is because
we have to look at this a little bit deeper.
(22:07):
And I have a feeling that he's onto something here.
I know people like to make fun of him, and
I even make fun of him sometimes, but I mean,
this is so clearly. I mean, Russia is arguably the
maybe first, second, or third most powerful nation in the world,
and you've got the Ukraine, which has very little standing.
(22:29):
If we were going to rank them. Now, we can
give all the weapons and all this stuff, and we've
give them all this great stuff, but just sheer body
count army versus army, there is no way that Russia
actually loses this war. So there's something going on, and
well that's not what your show is about tonight, so
we're not going to talk about that. But this needs
to end because there's something funny going on here. There's
(22:51):
a lot of money flowing and it seems very very
odd that this massive country, you know, so strong, can't
make any inroads and this has to become an endless,
forever war because they really wanted the Ukraine. They just
take it. Let's face it.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Well, here's the I thought that back in the when
the war started, and you know, in twenty twenty two,
I thought to myself, Okay, this is going to be
a couple of weeks and they'll just roll. But obviously
Ukraine has stood the test of time. Now, I don't
know if it's the strength of the spirit of the people,
(23:31):
but I agree with you on paper, it's like watching
a football game and one team is a twenty one
point favorite, and you're going into the fourth quarter and
it's tied seven to seven. It's like, what's wrong with
this picture?
Speaker 11 (23:44):
It almost seems purposely mismanaged. It just just something thinks
about it by putin, by I think by Putin because
I'm not so sure. Well, because you've got when you
look at all of arts and all, when you really
look at the whole picture and the close relationship between
the two countries and the populations of the two countries,
(24:08):
it almost seems like it's not like he's like he's
trying to do something that he's not really saying what
he's trying to do. But there's something more here that
we just aren't either privy to or or or aren't
maybe enlightened enough, you know, in that group to really
see that this Because if you've got billions and billions
(24:29):
of dollars exchanging hands, arms are flowing around all over
the place. I mean, it is crazy, and it's not
just them shooting back, because if they really wanted it again,
they could just mask their army and just march in
and would share numbers, just take them out. But they
don't want to do that, so they don't want to
destroy the country or they just would they they want
(24:53):
to an accident. Yeah, well you know they have, but
when you come down to it, they I don't know,
this is not you know, I can't think of a
good analogy.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Do you think? To me, it's like, do you think
that that Trump has some sort of a magical formula
that he has some sort of a hold on Putin
where he's going to say no?
Speaker 11 (25:16):
So I think there's the hold. I think he gets
what we don't only because of where he's been being
the past president. He knows things that we simply don't know.
And I think if he was the president, I think
he would just simply say, guys, enough, we're not going
to keep funding this and you're not going to go
in and slaughter them, and when they're not joining NATO,
(25:39):
and what's the next topic. You know, I think you
might be right. What happened?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
You might be right.
Speaker 12 (25:46):
Gary.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
You threw something on the table. I think is interesting.
Great call. Appreciate it very much. I really do.
Speaker 11 (25:51):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Right now, let me go to Susan in Cambridge. You
love to get Susan's take. Hi, Susan, how are you tonight?
Speaker 13 (25:58):
I'm good, Dan, and I'm glad you're just discussing this topic.
I thought that this was one of Harris's strongest moments
in the debate. You know, when she and kind of
surprisingly but when she said, you know, to Trump that
Putin would eat his lunch and at that point it
(26:19):
kind of her saying that at that point in the
debate when she was actually starting to eat his lunch,
and then the course of the debate itself kind of
really drove it home. He looked weak, He looked very weak.
And so what.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
What do you think Harris would do? I mean, I
assume you're going to tell me that Harris would be
a better as a president. I think I know your
Harris supported, which is fine. Tell me what she would
be able to do, uh, in terms of Ukraine that
that would be more effective than what Trump would would
try to do.
Speaker 13 (26:57):
Well, First of all, I disagree with the notion that
or I think it's a bit simplistic. The notion that
you know, as Trump said, this wouldn't have happened, you know,
on his on his watch.
Speaker 14 (27:11):
And.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
There's no doubt that.
Speaker 13 (27:15):
Well, because here's the thing though, is that can we
agree that that Putin pretty much thinks now that he's
president for life. Yeah, so he's right, So he's he's
got the long game in mind. So why would he
so he can sort of pick and choose like when
(27:35):
he's going to do things. And so when he's got
Trump in, who's you know, dissing, dissing NATO, destabilizing democracy
in the US, Like why would he want to make
Trump look bad by going into Ukraine? Then he wouldn't,
So I understand why he went in now, But your question.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Is because of his friendship. So you know, I use
that in air quotes with Trump. He didn't want to
embarrass Trump. He goes in when Biden.
Speaker 13 (28:06):
And Harris he's getting things. He's getting things from Trump
that that are also long term sort of goals.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You know.
Speaker 13 (28:15):
Well, again, the stable, the dis respect and disregard for NATO,
which he would love to see NATO just you know
fall apart, wouldn't he And well Trump.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Basically and again I want to argue with you, But
I mean Trump said to NATO, hey, you know this country.
It's funny back thirty years ago, Ronald Reagan was and
al Hague, they were big NATO guys because they felt
that we needed NATO. Where do you think Ronald Reagan
(28:52):
would fall on this issue right now? I mean, I
don't think that Ronald Reagan would be happy that Russia
was in Ukraine again. Ukraine is striking back. You heard
the sound bite from Putin through the translator. You would
all worried that if Ukraine does something too spectacular that
(29:14):
Putin might turn around and.
Speaker 13 (29:16):
Throw a tactically not really, I mean at this point,
he's been threatening that on and off since the beginning,
and that that has been an underlying fear of people,
and it's been a reason why I think the Biden
administration has kind of kept the you know, kept Ukraine
a bit in check, and then they're giving him a
little more relation, a little more relation. I don't think
it's let me ask you this unch they were to
(29:37):
do something really stupid. Okay, I don't think they are
going to do anything really.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Question, do you see sort of an evolution here that
the Biden Harris administration is the one that is talking
the toughest. They sort of have inherited the Republican foreign
policy of the nineteen eighties, while Donald Trump is sounding
much more of kind of the traditional democratic politician. When
(30:06):
Ted Kennedy in the nineteen eighties actually had a secret trip,
I think it was to meet procedion in Russia. It
was the idea that Ted Kennedy was trying to establish
a different relationship with Russia. Do you see that switching
positions that I perceive or no. I'm just curious, yes
or no. I don't argue the plan.
Speaker 13 (30:24):
Maybe, but I think for different motives. I think there
are different motives involved. Okay, so, but in terms of
actual dis manifestation, I guess you could kind of say that.
But the other thing to keep in mind is that
no matter what happens, unless Russia really pays a big
(30:45):
price and their army is just kind of decimated, their
economy is decimated, regardless of what happens, and could turn
around and sign an agreement, you know, in two weeks now.
But keep you back again, because like I said, he's
president for life, like there is Okay, I wouldn't trust
I wouldn't trust any agreements.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
So you feel I just you know, clearly you and
I have talked around each other a little bit here,
but but you you feel that the person who should
handle this in the best interest of the US would
be Vice.
Speaker 14 (31:18):
President Harris Yes, and in the in the UH for
the Western democracy, you know, not just for the United States,
but just you know, Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Okay, thanks, thanks susing them up my break, So I
gotta let you go.
Speaker 10 (31:36):
Good night.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
We'll take a break. Coming right back on night Side.
Right after these messages.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
All right, back to the phones. Let's try to get
everybody in here. Jerry is in random. Jerry, You're next
on Nightside. Go right ahead, Jerry.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Dan.
Speaker 10 (31:57):
I was very happy to hear Susan refor the break there,
because I was really getting a little disturbed by people
talking about isolationists and we need to become isolationists, you know.
I spent some time this summer in New Orleans and
went to the World War Two Museum. I'm curious if
you've ever been to that.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
No, I haven't, but I've been to a museum similar
to that. They had a World War Two museum in
for many years, by the way, which is quite quite impressive.
Speaker 10 (32:27):
Yeah. Actually my brother went to that and he told
me it was great. But this is the best museum
in the country, and you would be surprised why it's
in New Orleans. But they have an entire section devoted
to the isolationist thing. Charles Limberg. A lot of people
don't realize was an isolationist, and it was. And they
have an entire room devoted to the people who pulled
(32:50):
America to stay out of World War Two. And it
all came up today when I saw Trump standing next
to Zelenski in his maral Lago today.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I believe that meeting was in New York today.
Speaker 10 (33:06):
Yeah, I'm sorry, that's right, Trump Tower, You're absolutely right
with a frunt tower. Sorry about that, no problem. But
he's standing to Zylensky and he's saying, how there's the
stuff going on in Russia and Ukraine is the worst
thing that's ever happened to the world. And it's that
hyperbole that you know, Zelensky was obviously he needs to
(33:27):
do something to appeal to both of the candidates, but
it was so cringe worthy and I thought back to
my father, who fought in World War Two in the
Pacific theater, and what he would be thinking today listening
to somebody trying to be president of the United States
this time a second time around. Talking like that, you
(33:49):
bring up break in.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
There's a good in all fearness Jr. There's there's a
good tradition with the Democratic Party. You know, George McGovern
in nineteen seventy two was you know, considered the peace candidate.
There's there's been, you know, a tradition within the Democratic
Party to to to just not to get involved as
(34:12):
much in foreign activities. You call it isolation, but in
his core, that is exactly what it was.
Speaker 10 (34:20):
I totally agree that kind of weird period in history. Well,
it is weird in history. The Democrats is that one
trying to save depocracy.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
The Democrats are now very much would be very comfortable
with Ronald Reagan's foreign.
Speaker 10 (34:38):
Policy exactly weird. That was the question that I have
a weird situation we're in as a country right now.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Donald Trump almost sounds very similar on a lot of
things to sort of the fortress America, the isolationist policy
in terms from from a military perspective, not necessarily from
an economic perspective. He will use arras extensively. Anyway, it's
just for I find it funny. So you think obviously, Harris,
(35:07):
So you you agree with Susan that Harris.
Speaker 10 (35:09):
Said, absolutely good. What I've been what I've been hearing
right now is that Trump literally wants a d military.
You know, when people say what's his policy and he's
scared to say it. He wants a de militarized zone.
This is what I've been hearing from the North Korea,
South Korea, where you have a de militarized zone and
(35:30):
Russia gets Crimea and that's his solution. And that's no
solution at all.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
It would be like when Russia invade Jerry, don't yell
at me, Jerry, Joe, you don't have to yell at me.
I can hear you, Jerry Okay, can you hear me? Good?
Speaker 10 (35:47):
I can.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Who took Crimea? When? When was Crimea taken? Not under
Donald Trump? Was it.
Speaker 10 (35:54):
Twenty fourteen?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Who was president?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Right?
Speaker 10 (35:58):
I understand Obama.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
We have the calls I got to get to. I
was afraid you couldn't hear me. Jerry Okay, thanks so
much for your call. Appreciate it. Let me go next
to Rick in Pennsylvania. Come on, folks, you want to
have a conversation, you want to yell at me? Go ahead, Bill, Rick,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Oh hello Dan, how are you tonight?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Good? Rick? I was looking at Bill. He's one. He's
coming up next, Go ahead, Rick, Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Well I want to say is that the time for
diplomacy was when Putin was putting his troops and his
bombs and his tanks along long the Ukrainian border. I
was two and a half years ago. But see, here's
the week. This is the week. This is the Biden
Kamala Harris administration. They're a week on everything. They're totally weak.
That could have been, they could have had talks at
that time, but let that six week period of time
(36:43):
just put the put everything together to attack Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Well, I think that was the time for diplomacy. I'm
not not sure there's much diplomas opportunity for diplomacy now
after millions of people have have died, you know, I.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Mean, yeah, well it's a terrible thing.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
You shouldn't say millions, I should say you know, tens
of hundreds of thousands have died.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Well, that was the time that was the time to talk,
that was the time to take putin in a different direction.
Speaker 11 (37:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
But see that's the weakness, that's the weakness of President Biden.
He just doesn't stand up for international affairs and foreign policy.
Speaker 10 (37:24):
He just doesn't stand up for these things.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Okay, So so you would you're you would feel Trump
would be a better and more effective president from our
interest in the World's interesting.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I believe so because Trump Trump has more more experience
in foreign policy. I mean, he met with the guy
in North Kolokorea there, Kim jongong, He met with him.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
They both have about four years. He had four years
as president and Harris has four years, well three and
a half years or three and three quarters years.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Well, well, the thing with Kamala Harris is that she's
a lightweight. She's not going to be able to get
anything done with fore.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I mean that you might believe that that she's a lightweight,
but I just think that's name calling. So you know,
we don't have to u you know, you you don't
have to attack people that way. I mean, she's a
former United States senator, she's current former United States senator,
current vice president. So I mean that's those are some
pretty good credentials. Uh, Rick, I gotta grab one. I
gotta I got a countryman of you was building from Pennsylvania.
(38:22):
Thanks Rick, Let me go to building Pennsylvania. Build a
get less than a minute before you go right ahead?
Speaker 12 (38:28):
Yeah, thanks Dan. Hey, I've been listening to you for
years and never heard you yell at nobody. That was interesting.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Well, thank you. It's just that when you when you
when you're trying to have a conversation and the person
just wants to talk over you. What else are you
supposed to do? Am I supposed to say? Hey, here
you go, Jeff, why don't you take the microphone and
uh and run the show for the I mean is
that I'm not doing?
Speaker 12 (38:51):
That?
Speaker 11 (38:52):
Was that?
Speaker 12 (38:53):
Was? That was called for? Hey, listen, Uh the way
what I can't understand is, Okay, every time Celenski comes
comes to our country, for as he walks out the
door with what the other day they gave him another
yesterday gave another eight billion dollars eight billion. Here, here's
eight billion, here's six billion. I'll say Trump would do
(39:15):
a better job because uh of what he's done in
the past for the uh you know, he's taking he's
taking out Uh, terrorists. Uh, and uh, he doesn't fool around.
So I think this the problem with the Democrats these
days is it's unending, unending diplomacy. You know, it's just
(39:37):
it's just peace at any cost, and uh, it just
goes on and on and on. And uh I think that, Well, ironically,
there's not a.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Lot of peace there. I mean there's there's there's not
a lot of peace in in in Israel, in the
Middle East. There's not a lot of peace. And by
the way, we're going to talk about Israel, uh, next
hour and specifically Benjamin you know who's speech today at
the United Nations, which I thought was brilliant.
Speaker 10 (40:00):
Yes, I heard it.
Speaker 12 (40:01):
Hey, Dan Tamala is going down in the polls over
here in Pennsylvania. I can tell you the women are
not enthralled.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Keep us posted and if you want, you can vote
during a poll tonight at eleven o'clock. Everybody gets a haul.
Speaker 8 (40:16):
Of pasch Come back.
Speaker 12 (40:17):
All right, thanks, thanks.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Bill, gonna run appreciate you call. We're done for now
on this topic. We're gonna come back and talk about
Benjamin Netanyahu and what has gone down in Israel today.
It is a very dangerous set of circumstances that are
colliding over there. We want to talk about it right
after the ten o'clock news on Nightside
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