July 1, 2025 • 41 mins
The 30-year-old man charged for the stabbing and murder of four University of Idaho students, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle, Ethan Chapin, and Kaylee Goncalves has accepted a plea deal to serve life in prison, without the possibility of parole, avoiding the death penalty. Brian Kohberger committed the crime in November of 2022. The victims’ families are divided over the plea deal with some furious at the state of Idaho. Dan discussed this heinous crime and the case this evening on NightSide!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Night Side with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm telling you Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Well, we have been talking for a couple of hours,
both the nine of the ten o'clock hour about a
really surprised development in the Brian Coburger murder trial in Idaho.
Coburger is the man who now admits to having murdered
four college students from the University of Idaho as they
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slept on an early Sunday morning in November of twenty
twenty two, and he has now pled guilty. His lawyers
have entered a plea with the understanding that he would
be spared the death penalty and he would have to
serve four consecutive life sentences for the murder of the
four young people who he murdered while they slept in
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their beds that horrible Sunday morning. Patrick has joined us
from Charlestown and I put him on at the end
of last hour, and he's talking. He's talking about a
coburger and he's trying to make a point here. So
I want to give him an opportunity if you want
to go back and just catch up. Patrick. So the
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people who are just joining us, explain to them that
you're talking about this guy Coburger who apparently dealt with
a lot of issues. Go ahead, I'd love to hear
hear where you're going with this.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Go right ahead, Patrick, Yeah, absolutely. First off, if anybody
deserves a death penalty, it's this guy. He premeditated it.
He circled around their house many many times. He planned
this thing out, obviously premeditated. If anybody deserves a death penalty,
it's this guy. I just when I read through his
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termination and there's a letter online. I read through his
termination letter and I as I and the same profession
you are, and I read, I read the process that
he was provided, and I found that there's no way,
shape or form that this guy was provided a fair process.
Before they terminated his PhD teaching assistant shift. They took
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away the guy's hopes and dreams, and they did it
over some type of a guy versus guy silver backed
gorilla dominance fight that he had with his professor. The
professor then went to human resources, and you can see
from the timeline it started in nine to twenty three.
Then there was a meeting on October third, ten days later,
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eighteen days he's given a meeting eighteen days later, he's
found to have not improved. So that includes weekends, right,
that is not a sufficient time period to So.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
You have explained that this guy, you know, I had
a difficult childhood, A lot of people have difficult childhoods,
was able to get himself educated. He's committed a crime.
What's the point you're making that he somehow should be
treated my point.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
My point is that it's a piece of the story
that I think this was the final last straw in
the story of this guy's life. He was predisposed for
this sort of thing. He's guilty of murder, and there's
a problem with like human resources, that it can be
absolutely vicious. This guy was not that they ripped the
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guys hopes and dreams. They smashed them all.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Okay, but but there's a lot there's a lot of
people whose hopes and dreams Patrick ripped away. People don't
get into medical school, or they don't get into law school,
or or they play five years in the minor leagues
and never get past double A or whatever, and they
don't go around murdering for people. So I'm just trying
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to understand. All I'm trying to understand, Patrick, is where
you're going you want of my better callers. I want
to understand are you are you talking that somehow the
college professor who got in, as you said, this male
dominance a silver back gorilla, uh contest, should somehow also
be indicted.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
What what what you should be?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
No?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
No, no, that the human resources process should definitely be investigated.
It's a small piece of the story. I don't It's
a tangent. I send that right up front. It says
a lot. There's a lot of people listening right now
who've been treated rotten by human resources, who have been
fired and not giving a fair chance. And this this
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is definitely what happened here.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
What about hold on for a sakeon Patrick, I appreciate
your presentation, but what about Luigi Mangioni. I believe that
he had had some medical bills, or or family members
had some medical bills. There's always going to be a rationale.
The guy doesn't wake up some morning and say I'm
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gonna go kill Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
You know, I'm not saying this guy deserves the who
deserves to be let off, he deserves a death penalty.
I'm just saying that that somebody should look at that.
So that is a piece of Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So you've looked at it. Where did we go from there?
You've looked at it, and you have explained it really well.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I think what we do is we have a national
conversation about about human resources processes all around the country
and and how how we treat employees. I don't I
think I've seen this. A lot of my curve represented
a lot of people gone through things like this, and
this is this is not abnormal. This is and I'm
telling you there's people not in their heads listening to
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this right now have been through similar situations where they
got a pip and they would treat it untaily by
someone who had something across their backside and wasn't genuine.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Patrick, I totally get everything you said here, I really do. Okay,
but guess what, you know what this is? This is life, unfortunately,
and it's sad, right, I mean it is sad. I
have friends who who didn't get the didn't get a partnership.
They were the best lawyer, they were the hardest working
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lawyer in the firm, but there was someone who didn't
like them or whatever, you know. I mean, that's it's horrible.
I mean I've had people who I've worked for who
I felt were really had my back and were friends
of mine above and beyond a professional relationship. Then you
have people who you don't quite have that same feeling for. Okay,
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but it's kind of like there were I always bring
it back to pro athletes, but there were there were
pro athletes who were this close to being Hall of
Fame athletes and they missed an opportunity or break. They
didn't go out and turn around. I just it's part
of life. I wish life can. Life can really be bad,
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it can really be nasty. Uh, and it can be unfair.
Jack Kennedy, President Kennedy said, life is unfair. You know,
some men get drafted and go to war, some other
some don't get drafted. You know, some go to war
that they're killed, others the bullet never never kep. What
I'm saying is, you're taking his case is going to
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solve the inequities of the human resource problem in America.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Right the state's part, it is a big part of
this story. No one's talking about. So like that the
letter thank.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
You for doing that, you are and I mean that seriously,
thank you for doing that.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
They're supposed to be specific when you get a letter
supposed to be measurable. It's there's supposed to be particulars
in there, so with particular outline to improve. None of
that's in any of the stuff I read. It's all
online and sufficient.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Patrick.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Patrick, you're a smart guy. Why don't you take up
this cause and use No I'm serious, I'm not being
I'm not ridiculing you, Patrick. I hope you understand that
I'm being honest. I felt very passionate for a guy
named Joe Silvadi many years ago, and I put my
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my television career on the line. Thank god I was right,
But you could I don't know. Maybe the guy in
New York, Luigi Mangioni, I mean, he has a real following.
Maybe this guy will have a following. It's conceivable that
there was something that happened in the Boston bombers case.
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Maybe the two brothers got laughed at or something because
they had a strange accent. But I don't know where
it takes you.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I guess I don't want people to misunderstand what I'm saying.
This guy deserves to be fried.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So you're being You're being You've been very clear. You've
been very clear.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And uh, you know what, I'm gonna do that. So
I'm gonna I'll at least I'll at least work on it.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
So, look, you're smart. You're a smart guy. I don't
know you personally, maybe we've men at some point, but
you were always a challenging caller. That's why I held
you over. And I think, well, as they say, that's
all I have to do, that all have to give.
So but I think you've made my audience think. And
that's the standard that I use here. I want my audience.
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I don't care what they think. I just want them
to think. I want to think you challenged me to
think about this. Look if if Brian Colburger, Brian Colberger
was a relative of mine and I had watched him
go through what you just described, I'm not going to
justify what happened. And I think you're not justifying what happened.
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You're saying is that people need to understand that sometimes
there are people who are a ticking time bomb and
if someone took the time to maybe counsel them or
help them, or support them or give them a pat
in the back, maybe that fuse doesn't get lit. I
think that's what you're.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Saying yes, which, without a doubt, that's exactly what I'm saying.
And if you read through this letter, it's it's it's honestly,
it's cruelty when you read through this, when you read
through that thing that is cruelty.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Well he passed that, and you agree he passed that
cruelty on in a different way. Why he took four
innocent souls, godlings, and their parents and the the the
the spouses that they they might have been destined to marry,
the children that they might have been destined to have.
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So thanks, thanks Patrick, challenging call, Thank you so much.
All Right, we'll stick with this. Eric and Addleborough, if
you want to join the conversation, will continue to talk
about what my friend Patrick talks about. I'd also like
to talk at least briefly about the Big Beautiful Bill.
I think the Big Beautiful Bill is in big trouble. Now.
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I know that some of you will agree, some of
you will disagree, but I think that the differences between
the Senate version and the House version are to some
extent irresurmultable and irreconcilable, especially in view of the margins,
the thin margins that are have. I can talk about
that a little bit more. Want to talk about coburger,
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want to react to what Patrick had to say six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty six seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
You want to talk about the big beautiful bill and
what's going to happen. It's July first right now. Tomorrow
is July second. If this thing does, if this thing
gets tied up, it's going to die. And I don't
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know how the Republicans resurrected.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I'm not saying I supported or oppose it, just telling
you I think that there's too many deals being struck
here and they talk about making laws or like making
sausages an ugly process. This is an ugly process. And
the Democrats may be in the catbird seed because if
this goes down, there are ramifications that none of us
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are going to five. And if this passes there are ramifications.
Either way, it's a potential losing situation. I'll explain and
we'll continue to talk about Brian Colberger. We we can
do two things. We can walk into gum at the
same time. Coming back on night Side.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio's Good to.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Eric and Attleborough. Hey, Eric, welcome back. How are you, sir?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I'm good?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Oh Eric, I can I can hear you. You got
to turn whatever radio?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Okay, yeah, just real quickly. I'm not saying that I
support uh Luigi's uh you know, visual anti actions, but
something that I just that people are overlooking that has
not been mentioned. The gentleman underwent a botched back surgery
over a decade ago. And and if you I mean,
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I was able to take a close look at a
lot of blog posts he made it back in the
day on like live journal and so on and so forth.
I mean he documented his case of just being and
exfruliating pain and being unable to simply get the situation rectified,
and also becoming developing a habit of painkillers. And I mean,
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like I said, I don't agree with it. I don't,
you know, it's not something that that I think is right.
But for someone like that that really the physical pain
and ailments obviously ate away at his intellectual wherewithal of
right from wrong. And I mean I firmly think that
just led to his targeted assassination of the CEO of
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a company that I mean, you know, it does the
health insurance companies have to maximize shareholder wealth. That's the
purpose of a for profit I mean, you know, for
profit publicly traded companies. So I'm not saying I agree
with it. I'm just saying no one's mentioned that tonight,
and that's really the crutch of the issue, the fact
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that he so.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
So.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Therefore you're agreeing to some extent with what Patrick from
Charles Town is suggesting. And I'm not disagreeing with either
of you. But what I'm saying is all of us
have circumstances in life that are.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Difficult, right, I absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Some of us, and that's let me just finish. Let
me finish. Some of some of us have circumstances in
life that are even more difficult. There are people who
were born with horrific disfigurement, diseases, et cetera. And some
of us have you know, have have really no problem
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and then at some point in our life and sometimes
and an early point, like MANGIONI had a back issue
and and maybe the sur didn't go well. I get
all of that. I admit to all of that, but
and none of it justifies what they did. We agree
on that no one's going to say, the kid that
climbed up on the roof and took a shot in
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miss killing Donald Trump by a couple of inches. I
don't know what went on in his life, but obviously
there was something there. But so we take all of
that and we say to ourselves, okay, we accept that.
Where does that lead us intellectually? And I don't know,
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does it set up defenses? No, ie, I guarantee you that,
in my opinion, anyone who takes another person's life is
at least temporarily insane. Why would I mean, every day
you read the story about the I forget what ton
was in a couple of days ago, the son in
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law of a woman ended up in a fight with
the boyfriend of his mother, or the son of a
woman ended up in a fight with the boyfriend of
his mother. He's like sixty five, he's somewhere in his
forties over where the steak was cooked properly?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
All right, Yeah, I yes, I I no, And I'm
like I said, is it is? Uh, it's I'll put
it this way, absolutely assassinating the CEO of a for
profit you know, healthy church company. In the end, you know,
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at the end of the day, his back is the
situation is still to be rectified, and it doesn't it
doesn't fix it, you know, it doesn't fix the issue.
And yeah, it's it's it's it's a absolutely improper youth.
And and frankly, it's a anyone that acts the premisure
he meditated Melissa in ten right has something that needs
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to be contained by you know, the lawful authority.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Well, of course that that goes. I'll say every political assassin.
I mean, I'm sure Leejavi Oswald had some reason why
he wanted to shoot President Kennedy. Okay, Now I don't
know if he did.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, okay, I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I'm sure that John Hinckley, who was a nut job
and who now walks freely amongst us, thought he had
a right to shoot Ronald Reagan in March of nineteen
eighty one. He spent forty years in prison. And then
you know, he was the son of a doctor, if
I recall correctly.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, you know, to be honest with you, I don't
know as much about those assassins. I was born in
nineteen seventy nine, so you know, just the Luigi thing,
you know, is something that's fresh. I have, you know,
information fresh to be like, no, it's just starting those
But you know, I don't have the best information, and
that wasn't I just don't know the full background.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
But look, Luigi obviously is blinded by some passion here.
He feels that somehow and and and he's almost become
a folk hero. There were people who were outside his
arraignment and they were great, you know, free Luigi. I mean,
what the hell what does that say about our society?
I mean, have we brought have we have we got
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to that point that the guy next door to you,
you know, he he runs his leaf blower on a
Sunday morning, go on and blow him away. I mean
he boughts to blow of the leaves away. I mean,
where are we going with this this philosophy?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I'm with you one hundred percent, and that's why. And
I'll leave you with this.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
It's like, and you always do a good you know,
your shows are always excellent. I've been listening for years.
I think all a few times, but I will say
that I think the remedy and it's like it's utopian.
But imagine democrats, that Republicans, left right, whatever it is,
if we all have like leadership that we like really
trusted and loved as a collective. I mean, if that
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could ever happen, you know, elected leadership that like would
be trust and that do things that they say they're
gonna do when people feel the material conditions change in
their lives, you know, according to what the elected officials say.
I mean that that's what we really need. It's like,
I don't know, it's you know, just when you touch
on the big beautiful bill, it's such a convoluted like,
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you know, just mishmash of different issues with UH, it's
just politics as usual. Like as far as I'm concerned.
You never saw the movie like Distinguished Gentleman back in
the day with Eddie Murphy, And one of the best
lines is just like Eddie Murphy gets elected in Congress,
he says, like, you know, how does everything ever get done?
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And then another congressman says it doesn't. That's the beauty
of Congress. And it's just like, you know, things like
that the bills of you know, not to mishmash the
two issues Dan petition.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I just did be saying, but but here's the deal, okay, namely,
any other form of government that you'd like to live under.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
UH, from a That's a very good question. I mean,
if there was a utopian application of any type of ideology,
it would it would have to be socialism with nationalist characteristics.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well but but what I'm saying is this, this socialism
with national characteristics, you can move to Sweden and Denmark.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, but that's not But but I'm from America, my
fourth generation. This is my blood, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
What I'm saying. What I'm saying is that there are
people who would love to live in North Korea. Like
this guy who's now going to be the potential mayor
of New York. He wants to he he would love
to get us back to like uh and you know
nineteen seventeen Bolshevik Soviet Union.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I mean, well, hold on a second, like ju Cha
is a is an ultra nationalist, uh, you know ideology
that's you know, practiced in North Korea. The Bolshevik Revolution
was Actually there's a great boat book by Professor Sutton
out of Iowa, Iowa State called The Walls Wall Street Bolsheviks.
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I mean it talks about how the Trotskyites were literally
funded by Warburg and I mean they were funded by
Wall Street, which is ironic, and to deploy you know,
you know, workers of the world unite if you will
right under you know, and to it to take out
the czar in Russia. It's not you know, it's it's
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not the that was a much more violent uh.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
You know, it always is violent. It's violent in in
North Korea because if if you step out of line.
The the guy in North Korea killed like his brother
in law, he used a an anti aircraft gun to
have him killed. He didn't he didn't hit him with
an M sixteen. I didn't hit him with a kalishn
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of cough and anti aircraft gun is how he shot
and killed his brother in law or his one a
member of his family. I become on. I have no
idea Eric, the problem the problem without you live Eric. Eric,
in my opinion, you live in the best country in
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the world. You and I were to be born here.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Okay, discuss these issues without having any type of.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Censorship.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Oh no, there's no censorship, right And what I'm what
I'm saying is and there's no censorship on the show.
But as someone once said, and I I forget who
it was, I should I should should have remembered it
that that we have the worst form of government except
for all the others.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
That's that's why I agree.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I got Eric, I got Eric.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Eric. We've stumbled through ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You're the best. I appreciate you thinking of my call
as always, Dan, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Welcome. That's a great night. Here comes the news at
the bottom of the hour. We'll uh, we'll take some
I got Emma coming up. I'm looking forward to talk
with Emma. I have no idea. I have no idea.
Patrick and Eric explained problems, but you've left me there.
It's like, Okay, the roof is leaking on my house. Okay,
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the water's coming in and in the wintertime it's freezing. Okay,
what do we do to fix it? Back on Nightside,
you're on night Side's news radio. I think the difference
is in the House and Senate version of the big
beautiful tax bill truly irreconcilable. They're about seven or eight
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really key points that the Republicans of the Senate disagree
with the Republicans at the House on.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
The Trump administration has been on a winning streak, but
that winning streak may come to an end this weekend.
Let's go to Emma. Hey, Emma, appreciate you call. You're
next on nightside, Emma Gorette Ahead, is Emma there?
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Oh yeah, sorry, Hi, I'm here.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
How are you fine? How are you?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I'm doing great? What's we got a couple of topics
going here? You picked the topic of conversation Gorette Ahead, Yeah,
I was.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Calling her out Brian Coberger, that whole situation. I've been
following this from the beginning, and I wanted to mention
you know that I heard Patrick's call, and I absolutely
can sympathize with all of that. And there's actually, though,
no excuse for obviously committing a crime like this is
beyond any words. But I wanted to approach this from
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a different angle as well. I've been following it and
researching about this, and this man, Brian, even at a
young age, had a lot of mental illness that was
visible to his family and friends. And I think what
I would like to actually stress is that I don't
know if he ever got help for that, because from
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what I understand, his parents may have actually protected him,
they may have covered up for him, and you know,
he's a good boy and all of that, and I
think in the end that hurts a person, so I
think seeing that those signs at a young age and
getting help, I think maybe may have helped this person
who was mentally ill already but just kind of snapped
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when maybe all of that human resources stuff happened. And
I'm not justifying again, I just looking at it from
that angle of a person that may have needed help
long ago and maybe never got it. And I think
we have a lot of those people walking around and
it's kind of scary, I know.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
And I'm right with you where you are, and the
idea is that you look, I don't know enough about him.
But even if he had the worst childhood in America. Yeah,
and let's assume that he was beaten by his dad,
and I don't know that he was. Whatever happened, okay,
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nothing could justify what went on. I do think that
parents tend to be pretty protective of their children. I'm
a parent and a grandparent. Sure I'm a little tougher
than probably most most dads, But I don't know that
I was in any way, shape or form perfect. And
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I got to tell you, I don't know if you
have kids, Emma or no.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
No, I'm sorry, I don't.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Well, you know, you still may who knows. Yeah, but
the point is that it's this tremendous responsibility. And then
you second if you I second guessed myself every day.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Oh do you know?
Speaker 6 (27:12):
I mean, well, you seem like to be a great dad.
I wish I would have you for a dad for
one day.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Well, I don't know. I think my kids turned out
pretty well. But I also don't think I can't take
credit for that.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
And I mean that seriously. I'm I happen to have
the point of view that and I don't want to
get religious on you here, but that you know, Uh,
God gave me and my wife two children, and it
was our responsibility that that we essentially borrowed them from
from God. And again, I you don't have to buy that.
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I'm just telling you how I felt it about it,
and that they were a gift to us. Uh. And
we had to do our very best to try to
help them as we saw best. And I'm sure we
made a lot of mistakes. Uh. And maybe Coberg his
parents made mistakes, But I just don't understand how someone
gets to that point. And and and now the whole
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reason we started talking about this was he's gotten He's
gotten a pretty big break here. Uh uh, you know,
four people are dead, and he's going to spend the
rest of his life and who knows, maybe long after
I don't know how old you are, but believe me,
long after I'm dead, there could be a governor of
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Idaho who could come along and and and a new
theory of psychology conclude that that this man was convicted
unjustly based upon the mental you know, flaws that were
not diagnosed properly. You know, you know what I'm saying.
And it was really a societal problem that that failed
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him and therefore he could not because you know, it's
kind of where I think both Eric and Patrick, who
probably a better persons than I am. No, uh, you know,
and I think I just think the whole complexity of children.
And now I'm seeing it again. We have grandchildren, two grandchildren.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Great, you know you congratulations, thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Ema. What do you do? What type of work do
you do?
Speaker 6 (29:29):
If I could ask, well, I'm in a mental health field.
I'm a counselor. So this is why this drew me in,
and I've been following it. It was it was of interest
to me because I was reading some of the also
some of the things that supposedly Brian under an alias
wrote online and he was a very troubled person. That
drew me into like read it in some other forums
(29:52):
where he expressed how distressed he was at a very
young age, and that kind of drew me into the
whole thing. And this this the kid had a lot
of issues. And I don't know, as I said, where
his parents were with this. I know his mother was
very protective of him, and she was an you know,
Italian mom, and I think she was very like, you know,
(30:13):
a typical Italian mom, like you know, and I have
an aunt like that, very very protective and like the
child could do no wrong. But I think in the end,
there were a lot of signs there about him as
far as he was a very distressed young man, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
And so what do you think, as a professional, yes,
should have been done.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
I that's hard to say, but I was I was
hoping that maybe his parents brought him in for apparently
I mean, even if they brought him in for counseling,
which I don't believe happened, although we don't know that
may have you know, steered him in a different direction.
I don't think he ever really got whatever it was.
(30:56):
I don't think he ever really got obviously the help
that he needed. And I just from a point of view,
I think he was he the diagnoses. I'm not qualified
on that level to say what he would be diagnosed as,
but he definitely has a mental illness that went unfortunately untreated.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Don't you think that anyone who would commit a crime
like that, yeah, has mental illness. I talked earlier about
the twenty year old guy, uh in Pennsylvania, in Pennsylvania
who climbed up on the roof with a weapon and
a gun and came within two or three inches of
killing van candidate Trump now uh president right, And the
(31:43):
idea is that how come no one saw that?
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Right?
Speaker 5 (31:46):
You know?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And by the way, I'm very disappointed that our government,
including the Trump administration, has not given us a real
readout of what this guy's problems were. I don't think
this was a normal kid who woke up on some
Saturday morning and said, you know, I got I'm thinking
I'm going to kill Trump today, you know. And I
don't know if they were foreign influences. We'd heard some
(32:10):
stuff that he had been on his computer and all
of that. I just think I just think of the
guy down who was hanging out by the golf course.
That was a weird looking dude to me, with a
weird background in terms of where he had traveled, Well,
how did he travel that much? I mean, he didn't
seem to have anything. So that gets into law enforcement issues.
(32:32):
But you're talking about identify a problem.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Yes, mental health. Yeah, at first, sad and I think,
when I look at this kid's not a kid anymore.
But when I look and I've seen, I see so
much in that in that face and those.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Eyes I hate. I'm so glad you said that because
I look at the kid and it's like, oh yeah,
oh yeah, it's all there. But yeah, but if I
said that to someone other than you, they say to me,
why would you say that? Because he doesn't have the
(33:10):
same demeanor that you have, that he doesn't look like you,
that sort of thing. So so we've all been told this.
If you see something, say something. But if you see
something and you say something and it's the wrong thing
that you've said about someone that you'd say it about,
then you might be called a bad a bad person yourself.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Do you know, Oh yes, oh my god, I do.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Okay, Hey, have you called my show before time? Well,
we got to get you a rout of applause from
our digital studio audience. Here you much.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
I love your show. I listened quiet, you know, in
the background, but I love everything that you do. You're awesome.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Do me a favorite, Emma. Okay, I need more people
like you who I mean that seriously, who are thoughtful,
who come from different backgrounds. I have a lot of
people who call my show and him on a basis.
I love them, okay, because they're my most loyal listeners,
but I also want people like you. You're very thoughtful. You've
(34:08):
made me think, You've made me to say a couple
of things that maybe I wouldn't have said. And that's
what this show is all about. There are people out
there listening who listen and they are alone, and I
want them to understand they're not alone. They're part of
the night Side family. And I might never have I've
met a lot of my listeners, by the way, and
(34:31):
you probably haven't been a listener for long, but I
remember I had a guy, and I just want you to.
I want you to. I want to give you some
insight into who I am. So bear with me. For
a second. I had a guy who called me, it's
going to be twelve years fourteen, fifteen years ago when
I first started doing the show Jim and the Swamp.
He told me that he lived full time three sixty
(34:56):
five twenty four to seven in a swamp. And I
believed them, but I wanted to verify, so I said,
I'll meet you and I'll take you to breakfast, and
he went along with it. I went and I met him.
He lived in his swamp in Raindom, Massachusetts. Okay, former druggy,
former drug mule, former alcoholic who at the age of forty,
(35:18):
got his life together, but he couldn't function in society.
He had hot water he carried in uh, you know,
propaying gas tanks. Brilliant guy. Brilliant guy. He was dead
by fifty. He died of cancer, but I met him
a couple of times. I went to his wake. He
(35:39):
was one of my best callers consistently, A brilliant guy.
Just couldn't function. But he couldn't function in society. So
I have some interesting callers. Emma, you now are amongst
that group. Please continue to participate in this program.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Thank you, I admire you.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
I will again.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Thanks than you do.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
All Right, we'll talk again. Okay, Hopefully someday we get
a chance to meet. All Right, you're very welcome. Great
call Emma. I happen to love the name Emma. We'll
take a break. We'll be right back on Nightside. I
know we've gone along with these callers tonight, but it's
been really worth it. This has been the best hour
of the night as far as I'm concerned. We'll be
back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Were three callers in the line. I'm gonna get them
all in. We're gonna start with Joe and Lynn. Joe,
you were next on Nightside. Welcome back, Dan.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
This is an interesting conversation. I have mixed feelings. I
don't like what uh Brian did, but I see because
some of us, like me and others. I'm gonna go
for lunch tomorrow with my friend from Brighton we talk
about these We are partially uh like Homeo genius and people.
(36:57):
The trigger. I think the trigger is people just aren't
getting the help they need and that man should have
been examined, just like Mangione. Now I know you don't
agree with me. But I'm I don't feel bad that
he killed it. I mean, it was wrong, but people
are fed up. I've talked to doctors and nurses, some
of them understanding, some of them have mixed feelings the
way I do now. Kennedy Hinckley, I'm glad he is better.
(37:21):
I hope he's better because they treated him right, maybe
because he had money.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
But who did you talk about that? I'm sorry, who
was that you were referring to?
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Hinkley Hinkley, Oh, John Hinckley, Hickley.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Well, yes, Hickley was was a problem. And look, he's
now walking amongst us. He now, well, maybe he attempted
to kill the president of the United States and he's
walking amongst us.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Come on, well, but I know, but that's fifty years later.
Everybody needs a chance. I think even Pats.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
It's about forty years later.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
But all right, forty years But he admitted he was wrong,
and he was he seemed very sympathetic and he a
b You have to give these people a chance.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
In my views, Well, not when you're talking about people
who are going to take out the president of the
United States or not. He's going to kill four innocent people.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Well that's wrong. I agree, but something there's a trigger Dan,
something like that.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
But guess what, Guess what in this world, certain people,
you've dealt with a lot of issues in your life.
I know you have to go very bad.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
You've never met me, but you will from a very
bad issue.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I agree with you. I'm telling you that. But you
never gone out and hurt anyone.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
No, but boy, sometimes I feel like it. Believe me, all.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Right, Joe, seriously, good, good points.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
I appreciate one other. Quickly, you be quick?
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Go ahead?
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Can I be real quick? Iceland? Can I be real
quick Iceland?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Iceland?
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Yeah? I may like to live in Iceland because it's
a safer country from what I posted.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Keep me posted.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Okay, you be a good country.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
All right.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
I have a friend that I know somebody went there.
Thank you, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Okay, I know someone who went there to Reiki e
Vic Jeff and Abington. Jeff, you got to be quick
for me, man, go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Well you say you don't see your calls, but you
hung up on me last week's.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
What did you say that caused me to hang up
on you?
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I said all democrats are evil?
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah, Well I think that's a really stupid statement. Hopefully
you have something more intelligent to say tonight. Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Well, okay, well, you're showing your ignorance the way you
talk about mental illness, because in this state, if you're
a treated for mental illness, once you get leave of
the hospital, you're not forced to take your medication. And
that comes from the left wing wackos who say a
person has a right to do what they want. Most
(39:46):
of these school shootings are all mental illness.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
They're all mental illness, no question about that. Okay, no
question about that. Jeff, do me a favor. I did
hang up on you last week because you generalized and
you said, I have a lot of friends who are Democrats,
were not evil, Okay, So therefore I'm not going to
allow you to insult my friends who I know are
not evil. But if you were.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
When you when you had a guy on about saying
how I talked to a Trump was in New England
and you said you the guy and who was with you?
When you had no steak in the game. You have
a steak in the game because you who did you
vote for for president?
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Not none of your business.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
That's right. You don't have the gutstay answer the.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Question because who did you vote for for President Trump?
Speaker 5 (40:31):
Good for you, Okay, but you don't have just like
Charlie Baker, you don't have the.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
They have a great night. I'm going to hang up
on you. Guys, got the plank please, Rob, just go
for a swimmer real quickly. Tim, I got about twenty seconds.
You're the last caller of the night. As you offer,
are go ahead?
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Tim, Hi, Dan Rad, thanks taking my call. Was this
I just got in? Was this topic about the guy
who killed four students?
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yes? Yes, yes that was.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Field He yes, they should.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Did we lose them there? I think we Okay, we
lost them? Sorry, okay, thirty five left done for the night.
Interesting show didn't get to what I want to get to.
We'll get to that tomorrow night. I promise. I'm gonna
be doing night Side right now w b Z Nightside
with Dan Ray on Facebook. We'll we'll do a postgame analysis.
(41:22):
I want to thank Rob Brooks back in the control room.
Want to thank Shane, great job. Guys, want to thank Marita.
I'll see you tomorrow night. I'm here tomorrow night. I'm
on Friday, Thursday and Friday. I'll end as always All dogs,
all cats, all pets go to heaven. That's my pal
Charlie ray Is, who passed fifteen years ago in February.
That's where all your pets are who have passed. They
love you when you love them. I do believe we'll
(41:44):
see them again. Hope see you get themorrow night on nights.
I have a great Wednesday. Everyone, stay cool, keep calm,
and we'll see you on Facebook in a couple of
minutes
It's Night Side with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm telling you Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Well, we have been talking for a couple of hours,
both the nine of the ten o'clock hour about a
really surprised development in the Brian Coburger murder trial in Idaho.
Coburger is the man who now admits to having murdered
four college students from the University of Idaho as they
(00:28):
slept on an early Sunday morning in November of twenty
twenty two, and he has now pled guilty. His lawyers
have entered a plea with the understanding that he would
be spared the death penalty and he would have to
serve four consecutive life sentences for the murder of the
four young people who he murdered while they slept in
(00:51):
their beds that horrible Sunday morning. Patrick has joined us
from Charlestown and I put him on at the end
of last hour, and he's talking. He's talking about a
coburger and he's trying to make a point here. So
I want to give him an opportunity if you want
to go back and just catch up. Patrick. So the
(01:11):
people who are just joining us, explain to them that
you're talking about this guy Coburger who apparently dealt with
a lot of issues. Go ahead, I'd love to hear
hear where you're going with this.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Go right ahead, Patrick, Yeah, absolutely. First off, if anybody
deserves a death penalty, it's this guy. He premeditated it.
He circled around their house many many times. He planned
this thing out, obviously premeditated. If anybody deserves a death penalty,
it's this guy. I just when I read through his
(01:44):
termination and there's a letter online. I read through his
termination letter and I as I and the same profession
you are, and I read, I read the process that
he was provided, and I found that there's no way,
shape or form that this guy was provided a fair process.
Before they terminated his PhD teaching assistant shift. They took
(02:09):
away the guy's hopes and dreams, and they did it
over some type of a guy versus guy silver backed
gorilla dominance fight that he had with his professor. The
professor then went to human resources, and you can see
from the timeline it started in nine to twenty three.
Then there was a meeting on October third, ten days later,
(02:30):
eighteen days he's given a meeting eighteen days later, he's
found to have not improved. So that includes weekends, right,
that is not a sufficient time period to So.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
You have explained that this guy, you know, I had
a difficult childhood, A lot of people have difficult childhoods,
was able to get himself educated. He's committed a crime.
What's the point you're making that he somehow should be
treated my point.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
My point is that it's a piece of the story
that I think this was the final last straw in
the story of this guy's life. He was predisposed for
this sort of thing. He's guilty of murder, and there's
a problem with like human resources, that it can be
absolutely vicious. This guy was not that they ripped the
(03:22):
guys hopes and dreams. They smashed them all.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Okay, but but there's a lot there's a lot of
people whose hopes and dreams Patrick ripped away. People don't
get into medical school, or they don't get into law school,
or or they play five years in the minor leagues
and never get past double A or whatever, and they
don't go around murdering for people. So I'm just trying
(03:49):
to understand. All I'm trying to understand, Patrick, is where
you're going you want of my better callers. I want
to understand are you are you talking that somehow the
college professor who got in, as you said, this male
dominance a silver back gorilla, uh contest, should somehow also
be indicted.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
What what what you should be?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
No?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
No, no, that the human resources process should definitely be investigated.
It's a small piece of the story. I don't It's
a tangent. I send that right up front. It says
a lot. There's a lot of people listening right now
who've been treated rotten by human resources, who have been
fired and not giving a fair chance. And this this
(04:33):
is definitely what happened here.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
What about hold on for a sakeon Patrick, I appreciate
your presentation, but what about Luigi Mangioni. I believe that
he had had some medical bills, or or family members
had some medical bills. There's always going to be a rationale.
The guy doesn't wake up some morning and say I'm
(04:55):
gonna go kill Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
You know, I'm not saying this guy deserves the who
deserves to be let off, he deserves a death penalty.
I'm just saying that that somebody should look at that.
So that is a piece of Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
So you've looked at it. Where did we go from there?
You've looked at it, and you have explained it really well.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I think what we do is we have a national
conversation about about human resources processes all around the country
and and how how we treat employees. I don't I
think I've seen this. A lot of my curve represented
a lot of people gone through things like this, and
this is this is not abnormal. This is and I'm
telling you there's people not in their heads listening to
(05:34):
this right now have been through similar situations where they
got a pip and they would treat it untaily by
someone who had something across their backside and wasn't genuine.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Patrick, I totally get everything you said here, I really do. Okay,
but guess what, you know what this is? This is life, unfortunately,
and it's sad, right, I mean it is sad. I
have friends who who didn't get the didn't get a partnership.
They were the best lawyer, they were the hardest working
(06:06):
lawyer in the firm, but there was someone who didn't
like them or whatever, you know. I mean, that's it's horrible.
I mean I've had people who I've worked for who
I felt were really had my back and were friends
of mine above and beyond a professional relationship. Then you
have people who you don't quite have that same feeling for. Okay,
(06:27):
but it's kind of like there were I always bring
it back to pro athletes, but there were there were
pro athletes who were this close to being Hall of
Fame athletes and they missed an opportunity or break. They
didn't go out and turn around. I just it's part
of life. I wish life can. Life can really be bad,
(06:48):
it can really be nasty. Uh, and it can be unfair.
Jack Kennedy, President Kennedy said, life is unfair. You know,
some men get drafted and go to war, some other
some don't get drafted. You know, some go to war
that they're killed, others the bullet never never kep. What
I'm saying is, you're taking his case is going to
(07:10):
solve the inequities of the human resource problem in America.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Right the state's part, it is a big part of
this story. No one's talking about. So like that the
letter thank.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
You for doing that, you are and I mean that seriously,
thank you for doing that.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
They're supposed to be specific when you get a letter
supposed to be measurable. It's there's supposed to be particulars
in there, so with particular outline to improve. None of
that's in any of the stuff I read. It's all
online and sufficient.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Patrick.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Patrick, you're a smart guy. Why don't you take up
this cause and use No I'm serious, I'm not being
I'm not ridiculing you, Patrick. I hope you understand that
I'm being honest. I felt very passionate for a guy
named Joe Silvadi many years ago, and I put my
(08:01):
my television career on the line. Thank god I was right,
But you could I don't know. Maybe the guy in
New York, Luigi Mangioni, I mean, he has a real following.
Maybe this guy will have a following. It's conceivable that
there was something that happened in the Boston bombers case.
(08:21):
Maybe the two brothers got laughed at or something because
they had a strange accent. But I don't know where
it takes you.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I guess I don't want people to misunderstand what I'm saying.
This guy deserves to be fried.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So you're being You're being You've been very clear. You've
been very clear.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And uh, you know what, I'm gonna do that. So
I'm gonna I'll at least I'll at least work on it.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
So, look, you're smart. You're a smart guy. I don't
know you personally, maybe we've men at some point, but
you were always a challenging caller. That's why I held
you over. And I think, well, as they say, that's
all I have to do, that all have to give.
So but I think you've made my audience think. And
that's the standard that I use here. I want my audience.
(09:08):
I don't care what they think. I just want them
to think. I want to think you challenged me to
think about this. Look if if Brian Colburger, Brian Colberger
was a relative of mine and I had watched him
go through what you just described, I'm not going to
justify what happened. And I think you're not justifying what happened.
(09:30):
You're saying is that people need to understand that sometimes
there are people who are a ticking time bomb and
if someone took the time to maybe counsel them or
help them, or support them or give them a pat
in the back, maybe that fuse doesn't get lit. I
think that's what you're.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Saying yes, which, without a doubt, that's exactly what I'm saying.
And if you read through this letter, it's it's it's honestly,
it's cruelty when you read through this, when you read
through that thing that is cruelty.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Well he passed that, and you agree he passed that
cruelty on in a different way. Why he took four
innocent souls, godlings, and their parents and the the the
the spouses that they they might have been destined to marry,
the children that they might have been destined to have.
(10:21):
So thanks, thanks Patrick, challenging call, Thank you so much.
All Right, we'll stick with this. Eric and Addleborough, if
you want to join the conversation, will continue to talk
about what my friend Patrick talks about. I'd also like
to talk at least briefly about the Big Beautiful Bill.
I think the Big Beautiful Bill is in big trouble. Now.
(10:43):
I know that some of you will agree, some of
you will disagree, but I think that the differences between
the Senate version and the House version are to some
extent irresurmultable and irreconcilable, especially in view of the margins,
the thin margins that are have. I can talk about
that a little bit more. Want to talk about coburger,
(11:04):
want to react to what Patrick had to say six one, seven, two, five,
four to ten thirty six seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.
You want to talk about the big beautiful bill and
what's going to happen. It's July first right now. Tomorrow
is July second. If this thing does, if this thing
gets tied up, it's going to die. And I don't
(11:27):
know how the Republicans resurrected.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I'm not saying I supported or oppose it, just telling
you I think that there's too many deals being struck
here and they talk about making laws or like making
sausages an ugly process. This is an ugly process. And
the Democrats may be in the catbird seed because if
this goes down, there are ramifications that none of us
(11:52):
are going to five. And if this passes there are ramifications.
Either way, it's a potential losing situation. I'll explain and
we'll continue to talk about Brian Colberger. We we can
do two things. We can walk into gum at the
same time. Coming back on night Side.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio's Good to.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Eric and Attleborough. Hey, Eric, welcome back. How are you, sir?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I'm good?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Oh Eric, I can I can hear you. You got
to turn whatever radio?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Okay, yeah, just real quickly. I'm not saying that I
support uh Luigi's uh you know, visual anti actions, but
something that I just that people are overlooking that has
not been mentioned. The gentleman underwent a botched back surgery
over a decade ago. And and if you I mean,
(12:55):
I was able to take a close look at a
lot of blog posts he made it back in the
day on like live journal and so on and so forth.
I mean he documented his case of just being and
exfruliating pain and being unable to simply get the situation rectified,
and also becoming developing a habit of painkillers. And I mean,
(13:21):
like I said, I don't agree with it. I don't,
you know, it's not something that that I think is right.
But for someone like that that really the physical pain
and ailments obviously ate away at his intellectual wherewithal of
right from wrong. And I mean I firmly think that
just led to his targeted assassination of the CEO of
(13:43):
a company that I mean, you know, it does the
health insurance companies have to maximize shareholder wealth. That's the
purpose of a for profit I mean, you know, for
profit publicly traded companies. So I'm not saying I agree
with it. I'm just saying no one's mentioned that tonight,
and that's really the crutch of the issue, the fact
(14:06):
that he so.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
So.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Therefore you're agreeing to some extent with what Patrick from
Charles Town is suggesting. And I'm not disagreeing with either
of you. But what I'm saying is all of us
have circumstances in life that are.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Difficult, right, I absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Some of us, and that's let me just finish. Let
me finish. Some of some of us have circumstances in
life that are even more difficult. There are people who
were born with horrific disfigurement, diseases, et cetera. And some
of us have you know, have have really no problem
(14:51):
and then at some point in our life and sometimes
and an early point, like MANGIONI had a back issue
and and maybe the sur didn't go well. I get
all of that. I admit to all of that, but
and none of it justifies what they did. We agree
on that no one's going to say, the kid that
climbed up on the roof and took a shot in
(15:12):
miss killing Donald Trump by a couple of inches. I
don't know what went on in his life, but obviously
there was something there. But so we take all of
that and we say to ourselves, okay, we accept that.
Where does that lead us intellectually? And I don't know,
(15:33):
does it set up defenses? No, ie, I guarantee you that,
in my opinion, anyone who takes another person's life is
at least temporarily insane. Why would I mean, every day
you read the story about the I forget what ton
was in a couple of days ago, the son in
(15:57):
law of a woman ended up in a fight with
the boyfriend of his mother, or the son of a
woman ended up in a fight with the boyfriend of
his mother. He's like sixty five, he's somewhere in his
forties over where the steak was cooked properly?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
All right, Yeah, I yes, I I no, And I'm
like I said, is it is? Uh, it's I'll put
it this way, absolutely assassinating the CEO of a for
profit you know, healthy church company. In the end, you know,
(16:41):
at the end of the day, his back is the
situation is still to be rectified, and it doesn't it
doesn't fix it, you know, it doesn't fix the issue.
And yeah, it's it's it's it's a absolutely improper youth.
And and frankly, it's a anyone that acts the premisure
he meditated Melissa in ten right has something that needs
(17:05):
to be contained by you know, the lawful authority.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Well, of course that that goes. I'll say every political assassin.
I mean, I'm sure Leejavi Oswald had some reason why
he wanted to shoot President Kennedy. Okay, Now I don't
know if he did.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, okay, I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I'm sure that John Hinckley, who was a nut job
and who now walks freely amongst us, thought he had
a right to shoot Ronald Reagan in March of nineteen
eighty one. He spent forty years in prison. And then
you know, he was the son of a doctor, if
I recall correctly.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, you know, to be honest with you, I don't
know as much about those assassins. I was born in
nineteen seventy nine, so you know, just the Luigi thing,
you know, is something that's fresh. I have, you know,
information fresh to be like, no, it's just starting those
But you know, I don't have the best information, and
that wasn't I just don't know the full background.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
But look, Luigi obviously is blinded by some passion here.
He feels that somehow and and and he's almost become
a folk hero. There were people who were outside his
arraignment and they were great, you know, free Luigi. I mean,
what the hell what does that say about our society?
I mean, have we brought have we have we got
(18:26):
to that point that the guy next door to you,
you know, he he runs his leaf blower on a
Sunday morning, go on and blow him away. I mean
he boughts to blow of the leaves away. I mean,
where are we going with this this philosophy?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I'm with you one hundred percent, and that's why. And
I'll leave you with this.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
It's like, and you always do a good you know,
your shows are always excellent. I've been listening for years.
I think all a few times, but I will say
that I think the remedy and it's like it's utopian.
But imagine democrats, that Republicans, left right, whatever it is,
if we all have like leadership that we like really
trusted and loved as a collective. I mean, if that
(19:09):
could ever happen, you know, elected leadership that like would
be trust and that do things that they say they're
gonna do when people feel the material conditions change in
their lives, you know, according to what the elected officials say.
I mean that that's what we really need. It's like,
I don't know, it's you know, just when you touch
on the big beautiful bill, it's such a convoluted like,
(19:31):
you know, just mishmash of different issues with UH, it's
just politics as usual. Like as far as I'm concerned.
You never saw the movie like Distinguished Gentleman back in
the day with Eddie Murphy, And one of the best
lines is just like Eddie Murphy gets elected in Congress,
he says, like, you know, how does everything ever get done?
(19:51):
And then another congressman says it doesn't. That's the beauty
of Congress. And it's just like, you know, things like
that the bills of you know, not to mishmash the
two issues Dan petition.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I just did be saying, but but here's the deal, okay, namely,
any other form of government that you'd like to live under.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
UH, from a That's a very good question. I mean,
if there was a utopian application of any type of ideology,
it would it would have to be socialism with nationalist characteristics.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well but but what I'm saying is this, this socialism
with national characteristics, you can move to Sweden and Denmark.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yeah, but that's not But but I'm from America, my
fourth generation. This is my blood, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
What I'm saying. What I'm saying is that there are
people who would love to live in North Korea. Like
this guy who's now going to be the potential mayor
of New York. He wants to he he would love
to get us back to like uh and you know
nineteen seventeen Bolshevik Soviet Union.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I mean, well, hold on a second, like ju Cha
is a is an ultra nationalist, uh, you know ideology
that's you know, practiced in North Korea. The Bolshevik Revolution
was Actually there's a great boat book by Professor Sutton
out of Iowa, Iowa State called The Walls Wall Street Bolsheviks.
(21:26):
I mean it talks about how the Trotskyites were literally
funded by Warburg and I mean they were funded by
Wall Street, which is ironic, and to deploy you know,
you know, workers of the world unite if you will
right under you know, and to it to take out
the czar in Russia. It's not you know, it's it's
(21:48):
not the that was a much more violent uh.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
You know, it always is violent. It's violent in in
North Korea because if if you step out of line.
The the guy in North Korea killed like his brother
in law, he used a an anti aircraft gun to
have him killed. He didn't he didn't hit him with
an M sixteen. I didn't hit him with a kalishn
(22:15):
of cough and anti aircraft gun is how he shot
and killed his brother in law or his one a
member of his family. I become on. I have no
idea Eric, the problem the problem without you live Eric. Eric,
in my opinion, you live in the best country in
(22:38):
the world. You and I were to be born here.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Okay, discuss these issues without having any type of.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Censorship.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Oh no, there's no censorship, right And what I'm what
I'm saying is and there's no censorship on the show.
But as someone once said, and I I forget who
it was, I should I should should have remembered it
that that we have the worst form of government except
for all the others.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
That's that's why I agree.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I got Eric, I got Eric.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Eric. We've stumbled through ten minutes.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You're the best. I appreciate you thinking of my call
as always, Dan, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Welcome. That's a great night. Here comes the news at
the bottom of the hour. We'll uh, we'll take some
I got Emma coming up. I'm looking forward to talk
with Emma. I have no idea. I have no idea.
Patrick and Eric explained problems, but you've left me there.
It's like, Okay, the roof is leaking on my house. Okay,
(23:43):
the water's coming in and in the wintertime it's freezing. Okay,
what do we do to fix it? Back on Nightside,
you're on night Side's news radio. I think the difference
is in the House and Senate version of the big
beautiful tax bill truly irreconcilable. They're about seven or eight
(24:09):
really key points that the Republicans of the Senate disagree
with the Republicans at the House on.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
The Trump administration has been on a winning streak, but
that winning streak may come to an end this weekend.
Let's go to Emma. Hey, Emma, appreciate you call. You're
next on nightside, Emma Gorette Ahead, is Emma there?
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Oh yeah, sorry, Hi, I'm here.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
How are you fine? How are you?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I'm doing great? What's we got a couple of topics
going here? You picked the topic of conversation Gorette Ahead, Yeah,
I was.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Calling her out Brian Coberger, that whole situation. I've been
following this from the beginning, and I wanted to mention
you know that I heard Patrick's call, and I absolutely
can sympathize with all of that. And there's actually, though,
no excuse for obviously committing a crime like this is
beyond any words. But I wanted to approach this from
(25:09):
a different angle as well. I've been following it and
researching about this, and this man, Brian, even at a
young age, had a lot of mental illness that was
visible to his family and friends. And I think what
I would like to actually stress is that I don't
know if he ever got help for that, because from
(25:31):
what I understand, his parents may have actually protected him,
they may have covered up for him, and you know,
he's a good boy and all of that, and I
think in the end that hurts a person, so I
think seeing that those signs at a young age and
getting help, I think maybe may have helped this person
who was mentally ill already but just kind of snapped
(25:53):
when maybe all of that human resources stuff happened. And
I'm not justifying again, I just looking at it from
that angle of a person that may have needed help
long ago and maybe never got it. And I think
we have a lot of those people walking around and
it's kind of scary, I know.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
And I'm right with you where you are, and the
idea is that you look, I don't know enough about him.
But even if he had the worst childhood in America. Yeah,
and let's assume that he was beaten by his dad,
and I don't know that he was. Whatever happened, okay,
(26:31):
nothing could justify what went on. I do think that
parents tend to be pretty protective of their children. I'm
a parent and a grandparent. Sure I'm a little tougher
than probably most most dads, But I don't know that
I was in any way, shape or form perfect. And
(26:52):
I got to tell you, I don't know if you
have kids, Emma or no.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
No, I'm sorry, I don't.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Well, you know, you still may who knows. Yeah, but
the point is that it's this tremendous responsibility. And then
you second if you I second guessed myself every day.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Oh do you know?
Speaker 6 (27:12):
I mean, well, you seem like to be a great dad.
I wish I would have you for a dad for
one day.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Well, I don't know. I think my kids turned out
pretty well. But I also don't think I can't take
credit for that.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
And I mean that seriously. I'm I happen to have
the point of view that and I don't want to
get religious on you here, but that you know, Uh,
God gave me and my wife two children, and it
was our responsibility that that we essentially borrowed them from
from God. And again, I you don't have to buy that.
(27:52):
I'm just telling you how I felt it about it,
and that they were a gift to us. Uh. And
we had to do our very best to try to
help them as we saw best. And I'm sure we
made a lot of mistakes. Uh. And maybe Coberg his
parents made mistakes, But I just don't understand how someone
gets to that point. And and and now the whole
(28:16):
reason we started talking about this was he's gotten He's
gotten a pretty big break here. Uh uh, you know,
four people are dead, and he's going to spend the
rest of his life and who knows, maybe long after
I don't know how old you are, but believe me,
long after I'm dead, there could be a governor of
(28:37):
Idaho who could come along and and and a new
theory of psychology conclude that that this man was convicted
unjustly based upon the mental you know, flaws that were
not diagnosed properly. You know, you know what I'm saying.
And it was really a societal problem that that failed
(28:57):
him and therefore he could not because you know, it's
kind of where I think both Eric and Patrick, who
probably a better persons than I am. No, uh, you know,
and I think I just think the whole complexity of children.
And now I'm seeing it again. We have grandchildren, two grandchildren.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Great, you know you congratulations, thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Ema. What do you do? What type of work do
you do?
Speaker 6 (29:29):
If I could ask, well, I'm in a mental health field.
I'm a counselor. So this is why this drew me in,
and I've been following it. It was it was of interest
to me because I was reading some of the also
some of the things that supposedly Brian under an alias
wrote online and he was a very troubled person. That
drew me into like read it in some other forums
(29:52):
where he expressed how distressed he was at a very
young age, and that kind of drew me into the
whole thing. And this this the kid had a lot
of issues. And I don't know, as I said, where
his parents were with this. I know his mother was
very protective of him, and she was an you know,
Italian mom, and I think she was very like, you know,
(30:13):
a typical Italian mom, like you know, and I have
an aunt like that, very very protective and like the
child could do no wrong. But I think in the end,
there were a lot of signs there about him as
far as he was a very distressed young man, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
And so what do you think, as a professional, yes,
should have been done.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
I that's hard to say, but I was I was
hoping that maybe his parents brought him in for apparently
I mean, even if they brought him in for counseling,
which I don't believe happened, although we don't know that
may have you know, steered him in a different direction.
I don't think he ever really got whatever it was.
(30:56):
I don't think he ever really got obviously the help
that he needed. And I just from a point of view,
I think he was he the diagnoses. I'm not qualified
on that level to say what he would be diagnosed as,
but he definitely has a mental illness that went unfortunately untreated.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Don't you think that anyone who would commit a crime
like that, yeah, has mental illness. I talked earlier about
the twenty year old guy, uh in Pennsylvania, in Pennsylvania
who climbed up on the roof with a weapon and
a gun and came within two or three inches of
killing van candidate Trump now uh president right, And the
(31:43):
idea is that how come no one saw that?
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Right?
Speaker 5 (31:46):
You know?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And by the way, I'm very disappointed that our government,
including the Trump administration, has not given us a real
readout of what this guy's problems were. I don't think
this was a normal kid who woke up on some
Saturday morning and said, you know, I got I'm thinking
I'm going to kill Trump today, you know. And I
don't know if they were foreign influences. We'd heard some
(32:10):
stuff that he had been on his computer and all
of that. I just think I just think of the
guy down who was hanging out by the golf course.
That was a weird looking dude to me, with a
weird background in terms of where he had traveled, Well,
how did he travel that much? I mean, he didn't
seem to have anything. So that gets into law enforcement issues.
(32:32):
But you're talking about identify a problem.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Yes, mental health. Yeah, at first, sad and I think,
when I look at this kid's not a kid anymore.
But when I look and I've seen, I see so
much in that in that face and those.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Eyes I hate. I'm so glad you said that because
I look at the kid and it's like, oh yeah,
oh yeah, it's all there. But yeah, but if I
said that to someone other than you, they say to me,
why would you say that? Because he doesn't have the
(33:10):
same demeanor that you have, that he doesn't look like you,
that sort of thing. So so we've all been told this.
If you see something, say something. But if you see
something and you say something and it's the wrong thing
that you've said about someone that you'd say it about,
then you might be called a bad a bad person yourself.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Do you know, Oh yes, oh my god, I do.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Okay, Hey, have you called my show before time? Well,
we got to get you a rout of applause from
our digital studio audience. Here you much.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
I love your show. I listened quiet, you know, in
the background, but I love everything that you do. You're awesome.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Do me a favorite, Emma. Okay, I need more people
like you who I mean that seriously, who are thoughtful,
who come from different backgrounds. I have a lot of
people who call my show and him on a basis.
I love them, okay, because they're my most loyal listeners,
but I also want people like you. You're very thoughtful. You've
(34:08):
made me think, You've made me to say a couple
of things that maybe I wouldn't have said. And that's
what this show is all about. There are people out
there listening who listen and they are alone, and I
want them to understand they're not alone. They're part of
the night Side family. And I might never have I've
met a lot of my listeners, by the way, and
(34:31):
you probably haven't been a listener for long, but I
remember I had a guy, and I just want you to.
I want you to. I want to give you some
insight into who I am. So bear with me. For
a second. I had a guy who called me, it's
going to be twelve years fourteen, fifteen years ago when
I first started doing the show Jim and the Swamp.
He told me that he lived full time three sixty
(34:56):
five twenty four to seven in a swamp. And I
believed them, but I wanted to verify, so I said,
I'll meet you and I'll take you to breakfast, and
he went along with it. I went and I met him.
He lived in his swamp in Raindom, Massachusetts. Okay, former druggy,
former drug mule, former alcoholic who at the age of forty,
(35:18):
got his life together, but he couldn't function in society.
He had hot water he carried in uh, you know,
propaying gas tanks. Brilliant guy. Brilliant guy. He was dead
by fifty. He died of cancer, but I met him
a couple of times. I went to his wake. He
(35:39):
was one of my best callers consistently, A brilliant guy.
Just couldn't function. But he couldn't function in society. So
I have some interesting callers. Emma, you now are amongst
that group. Please continue to participate in this program.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Thank you, I admire you.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
I will again.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Thanks than you do.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
All Right, we'll talk again. Okay, Hopefully someday we get
a chance to meet. All Right, you're very welcome. Great
call Emma. I happen to love the name Emma. We'll
take a break. We'll be right back on Nightside. I
know we've gone along with these callers tonight, but it's
been really worth it. This has been the best hour
of the night as far as I'm concerned. We'll be
back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Were three callers in the line. I'm gonna get them
all in. We're gonna start with Joe and Lynn. Joe,
you were next on Nightside. Welcome back, Dan.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
This is an interesting conversation. I have mixed feelings. I
don't like what uh Brian did, but I see because
some of us, like me and others. I'm gonna go
for lunch tomorrow with my friend from Brighton we talk
about these We are partially uh like Homeo genius and people.
(36:57):
The trigger. I think the trigger is people just aren't
getting the help they need and that man should have
been examined, just like Mangione. Now I know you don't
agree with me. But I'm I don't feel bad that
he killed it. I mean, it was wrong, but people
are fed up. I've talked to doctors and nurses, some
of them understanding, some of them have mixed feelings the
way I do now. Kennedy Hinckley, I'm glad he is better.
(37:21):
I hope he's better because they treated him right, maybe
because he had money.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
But who did you talk about that? I'm sorry, who
was that you were referring to?
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Hinkley Hinkley, Oh, John Hinckley, Hickley.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Well, yes, Hickley was was a problem. And look, he's
now walking amongst us. He now, well, maybe he attempted
to kill the president of the United States and he's
walking amongst us.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Come on, well, but I know, but that's fifty years later.
Everybody needs a chance. I think even Pats.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
It's about forty years later.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
But all right, forty years But he admitted he was wrong,
and he was he seemed very sympathetic and he a
b You have to give these people a chance.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
In my views, Well, not when you're talking about people
who are going to take out the president of the
United States or not. He's going to kill four innocent people.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Well that's wrong. I agree, but something there's a trigger Dan,
something like that.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
But guess what, Guess what in this world, certain people,
you've dealt with a lot of issues in your life.
I know you have to go very bad.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
You've never met me, but you will from a very
bad issue.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I agree with you. I'm telling you that. But you
never gone out and hurt anyone.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
No, but boy, sometimes I feel like it. Believe me, all.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Right, Joe, seriously, good, good points.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
I appreciate one other. Quickly, you be quick?
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Go ahead?
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Can I be real quick? Iceland? Can I be real
quick Iceland?
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Iceland?
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Yeah? I may like to live in Iceland because it's
a safer country from what I posted.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Keep me posted.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Okay, you be a good country.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
All right.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
I have a friend that I know somebody went there.
Thank you, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Okay, I know someone who went there to Reiki e
Vic Jeff and Abington. Jeff, you got to be quick
for me, man, go right ahead.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
Well you say you don't see your calls, but you
hung up on me last week's.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
What did you say that caused me to hang up
on you?
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I said all democrats are evil?
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah, Well I think that's a really stupid statement. Hopefully
you have something more intelligent to say tonight. Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Well, okay, well, you're showing your ignorance the way you
talk about mental illness, because in this state, if you're
a treated for mental illness, once you get leave of
the hospital, you're not forced to take your medication. And
that comes from the left wing wackos who say a
person has a right to do what they want. Most
(39:46):
of these school shootings are all mental illness.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
They're all mental illness, no question about that. Okay, no
question about that. Jeff, do me a favor. I did
hang up on you last week because you generalized and
you said, I have a lot of friends who are Democrats,
were not evil, Okay, So therefore I'm not going to
allow you to insult my friends who I know are
not evil. But if you were.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
When you when you had a guy on about saying
how I talked to a Trump was in New England
and you said you the guy and who was with you?
When you had no steak in the game. You have
a steak in the game because you who did you
vote for for president?
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Not none of your business.
Speaker 5 (40:25):
That's right. You don't have the gutstay answer the.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Question because who did you vote for for President Trump?
Speaker 5 (40:31):
Good for you, Okay, but you don't have just like
Charlie Baker, you don't have the.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
They have a great night. I'm going to hang up
on you. Guys, got the plank please, Rob, just go
for a swimmer real quickly. Tim, I got about twenty seconds.
You're the last caller of the night. As you offer,
are go ahead?
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Tim, Hi, Dan Rad, thanks taking my call. Was this
I just got in? Was this topic about the guy
who killed four students?
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yes? Yes, yes that was.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Field He yes, they should.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Did we lose them there? I think we Okay, we
lost them? Sorry, okay, thirty five left done for the night.
Interesting show didn't get to what I want to get to.
We'll get to that tomorrow night. I promise. I'm gonna
be doing night Side right now w b Z Nightside
with Dan Ray on Facebook. We'll we'll do a postgame analysis.
(41:22):
I want to thank Rob Brooks back in the control room.
Want to thank Shane, great job. Guys, want to thank Marita.
I'll see you tomorrow night. I'm here tomorrow night. I'm
on Friday, Thursday and Friday. I'll end as always All dogs,
all cats, all pets go to heaven. That's my pal
Charlie ray Is, who passed fifteen years ago in February.
That's where all your pets are who have passed. They
love you when you love them. I do believe we'll
(41:44):
see them again. Hope see you get themorrow night on nights.
I have a great Wednesday. Everyone, stay cool, keep calm,
and we'll see you on Facebook in a couple of
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