August 10, 2024 • 6 mins
The All Blacks are reflecting on what went wrong in their 38-30 loss to Argentina in Wellington.
It continues their winless run in the capital since 2018 and marks the Pumas' third-ever victory over New Zealand.
Assistant coach Jason Holland joined Piney to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talks B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
They throw themselves at the line, Argentainer's over. They take
back the lane through their thirty nine year old hooker
and he can't believe it. Thirty three thirty text to
come and the All Blacks will need to respond. Texts
to come from directly under.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
The upright, So a last for the All Blacks last night.
Thirty eight points to thirty. Let's bring in assistant coach
Jason Holland. Jase, thanks for taking the time for a chat.
What's the overnight test telling you about what played out
last night?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Oh, look, obviously we really disappointed with the outcome and
some factors of how we went about went about our
game and how we got pressure on ourselves. So yeah,
a lot of things we need to we need to
get to a bit of standard to make sure that
you know how we want to play next weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
What are some of the things that perhaps I don't
know whether they kept you all wake last night, but
the things that are front of mine for you and
the others this morning.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Oh, there's a couple of things, like there's a couple
of times where we really put them under under a
lot of pressure. Was with some of our skill set
and some of our playing on top of them, but
a couple of obvious ones we see the score point
and then not be able to get our own half.
And what we've seen is, you know, whenever, whenever we
Argentina that got into the opposition twenty two, there was
(01:24):
points came from under when we just were inefficient enough
at getting out of our own end post points and
then been able to convert that pressure. So there's a
game of small margins around the pressure moments, and we
went good enough in a few and a good few
of them last night.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Why was it so challenging to exit your own territory?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Well, Argentina a good side and they got some really
good kickoffs going on and put us under pressure. And
we we you know, with the combination of a little
bit of skill set around our kick skills and in
a little bit of understanding the structure and how we're
going to get out of our own ends. So we'll
work hard at that this week and make sure that
(02:01):
we get into into Argentina's half.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Do you think you kicked too much or not?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
No, we didn't kick too much. We just didn't kick
acurately enough. And if you kick accurately straight away then
ideally your nique starting point will be something you can
play with ball in hand. So yeah, it's all about execution,
getting ball back when you kick in the year, those
sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
As coaches, how do you address unforced errors because there
were a few of those last night too, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
There was. Yeah, obviously we're challenging boys to you know,
excuse skill sits under pressure. So we've got to train that.
We've got to make sure we're under pressure the whole
week in our skill seat and unnailed on so that
we again, as I say, apply the pressure Argentina the
whole time rather than letting them off to hok when
we feel like we getting on top of them. So
(02:53):
little things around breakdown, little things around there catch past
stuff or the little skill seats or something that we
just got to keep nailing during the week.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
How do you apply pressure on those situations, Jase? Because
I know you can, you can ask, you know, you
appliers to keep high standards. But but then of the day,
in the back of the mind, it is just training.
How do you how do you apply that pressure in
a training situation.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, well, nothing's really just training. You know, our sessions
showing the week and especially our Thursday sessions are a
high speed, no space. The boys that are in the
twenty three are always applying massive pressure and looking to
apply just as much, if not more pressure than what
the opposition and the weekend are going to do. So Thursday,
we built our weeks at Thursday's high speed, high pressure
(03:35):
and not much time or space. So yeah, which could
be more accurately to flow into the game.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Are the players executing the game plan you want them to?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah? As I say, yeah, the game plan, And then
what we're looking to achieve is showing some really good
moments at times. I suppose we're scoring thirty points but
being able to you know, as the things we've talked
aroun around around some of the stuff and putting pressure
on ourselves is more around execution and and making good
(04:08):
decisions at good times. So there's a click as a
coaching group, and there's a plane group when we'll keep
working really hard at making sure we can execute what
we intend put out there.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Did you get what you expected from Argentina?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yep, yep, one hundred percent. The mushroom if for the
court physicality, they're ability to get off the line and
put pressure on you, and then the carry and that
they'll big boys and they you know, they've been pretty
impressive and the lead up and we knew exactly what
was coming there with both sides of the ball. So yep,
we got that and uh no, credit to them. They
(04:45):
were they were, they were good and they heard us
for a little bit, so we didn't get right.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
And uh, I guess this is all still relatively new
to you guys as a coaching group. For the first
time on a Sunday, you're you're picking over the bones
of a defeat. What what will that process look like
for the rest of today and into tomorrow? When do
you when do you finish your review and start looking
ahead to next Saturday?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
H Yeah, Look, obviously today's a travel day, so we'll
traveled all done this afternoon. A good few of us
have been watching watching the footage all morning and having
some meetings and some conversations around around all the things
that you and me have just talked around. So we'll
we'll have lots of conversations as we travel the meetings tonight.
(05:26):
And we were a view in the morning and then
look at the way that we're going to look to
beat Argentina on the weekend on Dunchstein tomorrow and move forwards.
So we've got the learnings, no idea. This environment was
hard on each other, having each other as coaches and
hard each other's players, and we'll we worked really hard
to make sure. Yeah, we put we put together a
(05:48):
bit of performance that we did last night.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, we've got to frame a reference now with Argentina.
So do you is it more is it likely that
you'll just use a similar kind of game plan and
just look to execute better or do you think there'll
be tweaks to the game plan our combination.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Of both, combination of both. There'll be some areas that
we look at that we say we'll do things a
little bit differently to put them under more precious. So
it's a good point. You just you've you've got a
plan in place for one week and then you look
at it and we'll tweak it. But it'll be a
combination of both.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
All right, Hey, thanks, Jason, I'm going to plan to
catch appreciate you by taking our call. Jason Holland, assistant
coach of the All Blacks.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, Listen live
to news Talks b weekends from midday, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talks B.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
They throw themselves at the line, Argentainer's over. They take
back the lane through their thirty nine year old hooker
and he can't believe it. Thirty three thirty text to
come and the All Blacks will need to respond. Texts
to come from directly under.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
The upright, So a last for the All Blacks last night.
Thirty eight points to thirty. Let's bring in assistant coach
Jason Holland. Jase, thanks for taking the time for a chat.
What's the overnight test telling you about what played out
last night?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Oh, look, obviously we really disappointed with the outcome and
some factors of how we went about went about our
game and how we got pressure on ourselves. So yeah,
a lot of things we need to we need to
get to a bit of standard to make sure that
you know how we want to play next weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
What are some of the things that perhaps I don't
know whether they kept you all wake last night, but
the things that are front of mine for you and
the others this morning.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Oh, there's a couple of things, like there's a couple
of times where we really put them under under a
lot of pressure. Was with some of our skill set
and some of our playing on top of them, but
a couple of obvious ones we see the score point
and then not be able to get our own half.
And what we've seen is, you know, whenever, whenever we
Argentina that got into the opposition twenty two, there was
(01:24):
points came from under when we just were inefficient enough
at getting out of our own end post points and
then been able to convert that pressure. So there's a
game of small margins around the pressure moments, and we
went good enough in a few and a good few
of them last night.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Why was it so challenging to exit your own territory?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Well, Argentina a good side and they got some really
good kickoffs going on and put us under pressure. And
we we you know, with the combination of a little
bit of skill set around our kick skills and in
a little bit of understanding the structure and how we're
going to get out of our own ends. So we'll
work hard at that this week and make sure that
(02:01):
we get into into Argentina's half.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Do you think you kicked too much or not?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
No, we didn't kick too much. We just didn't kick
acurately enough. And if you kick accurately straight away then
ideally your nique starting point will be something you can
play with ball in hand. So yeah, it's all about execution,
getting ball back when you kick in the year, those
sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
As coaches, how do you address unforced errors because there
were a few of those last night too, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
There was. Yeah, obviously we're challenging boys to you know,
excuse skill sits under pressure. So we've got to train that.
We've got to make sure we're under pressure the whole
week in our skill seat and unnailed on so that
we again, as I say, apply the pressure Argentina the
whole time rather than letting them off to hok when
we feel like we getting on top of them. So
(02:53):
little things around breakdown, little things around there catch past
stuff or the little skill seats or something that we
just got to keep nailing during the week.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
How do you apply pressure on those situations, Jase? Because
I know you can, you can ask, you know, you
appliers to keep high standards. But but then of the day,
in the back of the mind, it is just training.
How do you how do you apply that pressure in
a training situation.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, well, nothing's really just training. You know, our sessions
showing the week and especially our Thursday sessions are a
high speed, no space. The boys that are in the
twenty three are always applying massive pressure and looking to
apply just as much, if not more pressure than what
the opposition and the weekend are going to do. So Thursday,
we built our weeks at Thursday's high speed, high pressure
(03:35):
and not much time or space. So yeah, which could
be more accurately to flow into the game.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Are the players executing the game plan you want them to?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah? As I say, yeah, the game plan, And then
what we're looking to achieve is showing some really good
moments at times. I suppose we're scoring thirty points but
being able to you know, as the things we've talked
aroun around around some of the stuff and putting pressure
on ourselves is more around execution and and making good
(04:08):
decisions at good times. So there's a click as a
coaching group, and there's a plane group when we'll keep
working really hard at making sure we can execute what
we intend put out there.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Did you get what you expected from Argentina?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yep, yep, one hundred percent. The mushroom if for the
court physicality, they're ability to get off the line and
put pressure on you, and then the carry and that
they'll big boys and they you know, they've been pretty
impressive and the lead up and we knew exactly what
was coming there with both sides of the ball. So yep,
we got that and uh no, credit to them. They
(04:45):
were they were, they were good and they heard us
for a little bit, so we didn't get right.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
And uh, I guess this is all still relatively new
to you guys as a coaching group. For the first
time on a Sunday, you're you're picking over the bones
of a defeat. What what will that process look like
for the rest of today and into tomorrow? When do
you when do you finish your review and start looking
ahead to next Saturday?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
H Yeah, Look, obviously today's a travel day, so we'll
traveled all done this afternoon. A good few of us
have been watching watching the footage all morning and having
some meetings and some conversations around around all the things
that you and me have just talked around. So we'll
we'll have lots of conversations as we travel the meetings tonight.
(05:26):
And we were a view in the morning and then
look at the way that we're going to look to
beat Argentina on the weekend on Dunchstein tomorrow and move forwards.
So we've got the learnings, no idea. This environment was
hard on each other, having each other as coaches and
hard each other's players, and we'll we worked really hard
to make sure. Yeah, we put we put together a
(05:48):
bit of performance that we did last night.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, we've got to frame a reference now with Argentina.
So do you is it more is it likely that
you'll just use a similar kind of game plan and
just look to execute better or do you think there'll
be tweaks to the game plan our combination.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Of both, combination of both. There'll be some areas that
we look at that we say we'll do things a
little bit differently to put them under more precious. So
it's a good point. You just you've you've got a
plan in place for one week and then you look
at it and we'll tweak it. But it'll be a
combination of both.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
All right, Hey, thanks, Jason, I'm going to plan to
catch appreciate you by taking our call. Jason Holland, assistant
coach of the All Blacks.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, Listen live
to news Talks b weekends from midday, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio
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