Full Show Podcast: 22 September 2024

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Speaker 3 (00:48):
It gets it in, Savia, gets it out, catch it
over the touchline. The All Blacks hang on to win
the match. The All Blacks hang on to the bledisloe
three tries in the opening sixteen minutes and then got
the fright of their life. The All Blacks thirty one Australia.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Twenty eight Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Pretty good summary there from Elliot Smith on commentary the
Fright of our lives not just the All Blacks but
All Blacks fans as well. Assistant coach Jason Holland standing
by to chat with us. An Australian view after one
o'clock with Wallaby's legend David Campeazi. Plenty of postmatch reaction
from players and coaches, but it's you I really want
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The black Caps are on the back foot after three
days of the first cricket Test against Sri Lanka in Gaul.
Sri Lanka two thirty seven for four in their second innings,
a lead of two hundred and two. Couple of days
to play. Former New Zealand pace bowl and now commentator
Mitchell mcclenahan previews Day four for US just after two o'clock.

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Our NRL preliminary finals are locked in after the two
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on those and two yachting New Zealand sanctioned crews are
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Speaker 3 (03:07):
V Barack as a TT draws Clark Clark what on
two Flaws? He found a way through Tone Defenders and
the all Blacks have three.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
I was all looking pretty rosy at that stage, wasn't
it twenty one nil after about fifteen minutes? But the
All Blacks eventually getting home thirty one points to twenty
eight in Sydney last night, let's bring it All Blacks
Assistant coach Jason Holland. Jason, thanks for your time. You've
given this one the overnight test. How do you assess
last night's game in general terms?

Speaker 5 (03:38):
First of all, yeah, obviously you're really you're really happy
with what we did early in the game. You know,
we were pretty accurate at what we did and then
we're able to hold on the board and put the
Ausies under massive pressure, which we saw on the scoreboard.
But you know, again a little bit around the second
half around not being able to hold onto the ball

(04:00):
and plan the right parts of the field and in
the second half was you know, it was something we
we need to figure out and we need to make
sure that we can hold onto the ball. So it's
a bit of a spiral, do isn't it. Or we
don't have the ball and the opposition give them our
half and cards are coming from that. So yeah, it's
definitely an area we'll focus on. But at the end
of the day, pretty nicely working out of Australia with

(04:23):
low cup.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Indeed, the fast art Jase twenty one nil after sixteen minutes.
What do you put it down to? What was so
good in the first fifteen minutes?

Speaker 5 (04:32):
Just nice, as simple and accurate. You know, we had
a couple of key, key plans around how we're going
to take them from ship peace and they got some
real good go forward and that early on and again,
as I I keep saying, the power position, but we
held onto the ball really well and eventually broke them
down and I think it was twenty one l and
then you know, it probably could easily have been, you know,
doubled up by halftime. If we continue with that accuracy.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Does frustration start to sit in when you create opportunities
but can't execute the final part of it to finish
them off.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
Oh, I suppose it just sharpens us shar their focus
during the weeks.

Speaker 6 (05:07):
You know.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
We it's great to know that we're creating the opportunities
when we get accurate, and we just got to make
sure that we're putting the boys in these situations during
the week where they're under pressure but they've got to
pick the right pass or the final pass and the
little things that we didn't quite get right last night.
So I wouldn't say frustration. I think just sort of
sharpens your focus around what's really important is you get
sort of eight or nine games into our season.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
How do you create that pressure in a training situation?

Speaker 7 (05:33):
Oh, look, there's.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
We've got guys outside the twenty three. You ain't getting
picked who are outstanding during the week and giving pictures
or putting guys under pressure in their training and have
fifteen D fifteen. So we're getting them during the week
and it's going to make sure that when that moment
is there to pull trigger, we're pulling the trigger.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
How far away do you think you are from from
executing the rugby you want to for for longer periods
for close to eighty minutes.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
Look, hopefully, hopefully hopefully this weekend. Look, we you know,
we was working really hard. We're creating really good opportunity
and I think we're working at the little parts and
as I say, we'll see some really good pictures in
their review this week around what it looks like when
we do finished and what are the little little bits
of detail when we don't. And there's some pretty clear

(06:21):
pictures around just just a little bits of skill execution
that are letting us down up vital times and picking
the games.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Is that is that something that you can you can
coach though? Then these are New Zealand's best players, So
are you really just asking them to be you know
clearer in their in their mindset? How how do you see,
you know, get to a point where they are doing
what you what you know they can Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
Look, I think it was a pretty clear it's just
around putting a different coach we can coach around what
we're looking for and what are the little cues to
give a pass or not give a pass or by
the end of they we're just going to make sure
we're getting lots of little skill hits and putting them
under the unstructured space where we've got to pick the
right pass. And we saw three or four of those
we didn't quite catch the last pass, so little bits.

(07:07):
We will put the balls in constructured spaces this week
to to help us execute that.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
On Suttley Damien McKenzie last night, just a question about him.
There were a couple of errand passes that he threw
but he also of course creates opportunities, which is I
guess has you know, has great superpower. If you ask
him Jase to work on his accuracy, do you lose
a bit of his unpredictability.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. It's like he's de mix for
aware of all the all the little parts of his
game where he wants to get better. But mate, what
he's creating for us as outstanding and some of the
forest lines that are helping him and the looks of
will Jordan run those good lines out of the back
of number They're creating good space. But you know, look,
at no time do you try and put any any

(07:51):
player into a little box. They've got to be who
they are and just keep working away at the little
bits that are keep making them better.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Second half, even though it was called back for a
forward pass eventually, how much did you enjoy the intent
the execution of that end to end move that saw
Cortez dot down.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
I love that, Love that, Like obviously we're driving the
boys or trigger as I said on on the pictures
they see and they did that perfectly, and love the
intent the boys to I think there's four or five
black jerseys next steaming up on the inside of themat
when he started that.

Speaker 7 (08:21):
So that's that's the probably we.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Want to play. So Chid, it's great to see that.
And as you say, as we've talked around, we're just
going to keep making sure that that last pass or
the last little bit or the last breakdown where we're
winning those races and making sure we finish it.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Why do you think it's been so hard to score
points in the last twenty minutes.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
Yeah, Look, it's a little bit of you know, well,
as I say, we'll have a look at some pictures,
but there's there's some things around in third position and
around how we hold onto the ball in those periods.
So I think what you're what you're seeing in the
last twenty or thirty minutes there of the game last
night was was us losing the ball after two or

(09:03):
three phases from our lineer or our scrum. You know,
we get turned over a breakdown, So just a little
things around holding on to the ball again missing and
then we making sure we get out of our own end. Well,
you know, we we did that really well in the
first in the first half and then second half we
just got a little bit inaccurate around how we get
out of our own end. And so it's a combination
of having the ball and making sure in the right

(09:25):
right parts of the field are.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
You getting the impact you want from the bench.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
Yeah, look, I think I think we're working really hard
on you. If you look at impact off the pinch
last night. I thought that t J was unbelievable when
he came off the pinch last night in the defense
of space. He you know, he saved us a few
times last night. So there's there's a good little bits
of individual off the bench. It's it's good to see,
but it's just around as a collective making sure that

(09:51):
we're you know, we have the ball for long periods.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
What sort of emotions are you feeling up in the
box when you go down to thirteen?

Speaker 5 (10:01):
Yeah, yeah, that was maybe boys just really but on
the mouth gat of it there, and I was sure,
you know, we're already happy what the boys did. We
went the under fitting. But you know that it's an
example of the air of just little things. We've got
to be smarter, you know, Caleb was awesome. I thoughten
has in the game last night, But just little things
like that, Well, you have a lets of concentration and

(10:23):
it puts massive pressure on the team. So yeah, it's
not ideal go fitting. But you know, on the other
other side of it was great how the boys got
set out.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, character building, I think they call it. Jordi Barrett
went off at halftime with the knee injury. Is he
unlikely for Wellington?

Speaker 6 (10:39):
Jason?

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's a little media're not too bad,
but you're very unlikely for next week all right.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
And the wind shows up the Bleater Slow Cup. Does
that give you the chance without asking you to name
the team, to tinker a bit and give some players
some minutes next weekend?

Speaker 5 (10:56):
Yeah, look, I think we'll have that come when we
get to Wellington. You know, there has been guys that
you know, there's not much between anybody and selections, so
you know it might be aptly for one or two
guys to give an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
All Right, we'll save travels, Jase, look forward to seeing
you back here in the Capitol. Yes, thank you, Thanks Jason.
Jason Holland. They're assistant coach of the All Blacks twelve eighteen. Right,
you've given it the overnight test. You've heard from Jason Holland.
There you might have watched it back as I have,
or watched a few highlights, chatted about it to a
few of the friends and family. Your chance to react now,
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty lines are open. In

(11:31):
reading the pulse of the rugby public, I guess since
the full time Whist saw blue last night, just looking
at some online rhetoric and other comments and bits and pieces,
and I guess the conversations I've had with with some
of my rugby friends, I think the word I'd use
would be frustration. I honestly thought the All Blacks would
be better than they have been so far in twenty

(11:51):
twenty four and at the moment, by their own admission,
as you heard it from Jason Holland there and in
Scott Robertson's postmatch, they are not where they want to be.
We see glimpses of it, and more than glimpses of
it at times decent periods of great rugby. The first
fifteen minutes last night superb against an admittedly poor defensive side.
It was twenty one zerl. I thought we were going

(12:13):
to get seventy or eighty at that point, but of
course Australia sorted themselves out. This inability of the All
Blacks though to score points after the fifty five minute
mark is just utterly puzzling. It's frustrating too. My ZEDB
colleague in christ jatch Nick Beorley tweeted out the stats
last night. These are the times where the All Blacks

(12:35):
have scored their last points in the five Rugby Championship
matches that they've played. Argentina in the first Test fifty
three minutes, Argentina in the second Test forty three minutes,
South Africa in the first Test fifty three, South Africa
in the second Test fifty nine and last night against
Australia the forty fifth minute. That is the time on

(12:56):
the clock when the All Blacks scored their final points
in each of the Rugby Championship tests. So it surely
is something and Jason Holland even said it then that
they are aware of and are trying to address. And
the word that's getting used a lot at the moment
is execution. The opportunities are being created, there is absolutely

(13:18):
no doubt about that. But the final pass, the accuracy
and key attacking moments, the micro decisions which can be
so crucial, they are definitely things to work on. Definitely
things to work on. Your thoughts on that are eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty couple of positives first fifteen
minutes of course, as mentioned, the defense of steel to
hold on at the end with fourteen even thirteen for

(13:40):
a while despite the fact they should never have been
in that position. Line defense and turnovers a crucial times
late in the game. They were important and there has
to be a large amount of credit given and pride
taken from things like that. Individuals. Wallace Titi I thought
was excellent, really really good. The All Blacks have been
looking for a solution at Blindside. I think they've found it.
And he's not even really a number six, is e

(14:00):
All of his starts this year have been at number eight.
But you have to think Wallace Tts must be part
of our best loose forward trio moving forward, and the
decision to pick him ahead of Hoskin Sotuto in the
All Blacks this year is proven to be the right
one and Cortez lovetim a good again. I'm not sure
what the plan is for TJ. Pettinada for the end

(14:21):
of year tour. I haven't seen it mentioned whether or
not he will be considered for that, whether he wants
to go on the end of year tour, whether next
weekend and Wellington might be his swan song. Cam Roygard
just about ready to return. I think he joins the
squad this week to train with them and roy Guard
write them a hope them that feels like the trio
to take us forward from here and loved them again

(14:42):
last night I think was very very good. Anything you
want to pick up on I eight hundred eighty ten
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Speaker 1 (15:04):
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Speaker 3 (15:16):
Back door, through the line, don't know the twenty two
signed through turn offenders.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
And how do the sticks.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well, Jordan sign on the old Blacks leave ninety five
sickens gone.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
It was a good start, wasn't it. Three tries in
the first fifteen minutes, will Jordan, Rica Jowani and then
Caleb Clark all scoring in the first fifteen minutes. From there, well,
it wasn't quite as promising. Let's get to the lines
at eight hundred and eighty ten eighty if you want
to make your point, as I mentioned at this time yesterday,
don't wait. The lines tend to clog up for whatever
reason at the back end of the hour mark kick

(15:48):
us off.

Speaker 8 (15:50):
Yeah, it was pretty much a similar game with the
spring Box Pumas, but the Pumas got up. That's a
great game, really really entertaining. I think the Pumas, you know,
you good my passion that it's fantastic at the moment,
you know, been beating the all Blacks in the spring
Box and you know a very short time. I think
they're really progressing quite well.

Speaker 9 (16:09):
And it's just their consistency.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
It's sorry, mate, It's just their consistency, isn't it. If
they could string you know, results together, like like you say,
they were good and beating us in Wellington, but then
in Auckland the following week, they you know, they did not.
I don't think they fell off the cliff necessarily, but
certainly the All Blacks you know, came over the top
of them. Look if they can back up what they
did this morning in Argentina in nell Spray next week
when they play the spring Box again, then I think

(16:35):
we're looking at a team that could be one of
the you know, one of the big, big improvers. We've
always waited and wanted them to be. This way, maybe
they are starting to find their feet if they can
find their consistency.

Speaker 8 (16:47):
Yeah, it wasn't It wasn't the box first team. I
mean they you know, hit a lot of the villains
and the and the kicker could have won the box
the game was probably one of the worst kicks of
single international rugby.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
He shanked, didn't he He shanked it. I don't know
what he was doing.

Speaker 8 (17:03):
I haven't seen anything like that for a very long time.
I mean, I guess I criticized McKenzie for missing it.
It wasn't as easy as that kit kick, but it
was yeah, not good. But yeah, as far as the
All Blacks go, I think they're lacking a bit of leadership,
you know, like I mean, I guess we go. When
I think back to Richie mccawy and his on the

(17:23):
field coaching, game control was just as such a high level.
They're probably never going to find anyone as good as that. Again,
but I think that's one of the things lacking, you know,
just control the game during the game, you know. And
I think that's I don't know what, I don't know
what's happening at the end of games where I think
someone that yesterday about bringing on the stubs, but that

(17:45):
like Africa doing, you know, having having a game plan.
There is things to me to be quite important in
this stage because really the performances of the All Blacks
in the last you know, second half of the second half,
it's pretty pretty average, isn't it it is?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
And yeah, the the impact of the bench and the
use of the bench really interest me. Make the one
thing I noticed last night I had pointed out to me.
But it also not just was Tyrol Lomax for the
second week in a row or the second test in
a row. Rather he was he was left on until
I think about the seventieth minute. It's pretty rare to
see a front rower play seventy minutes in a Test

(18:24):
match these days.

Speaker 8 (18:26):
Oh yeah, And I mean I think the caller yesterday
had it right. I think the Box has got their cubs,
you know, the way they use these subs. You know,
it was a bit of a gimmick the old bomb squad,
but man, it's effective. And I think maybe we haven't
got the depth of the South Africa at the moment,
to be fair. But you know, that's one of the

(18:47):
coming on the estray. And because I thought the Wallaby
given the cattle they had, I thought they showed a
lot of heart last night to come back in that
game where they could have been blown out by or
sixty points, you know, and I thought that was, yeah,
quite a testament to them because they certainly haven't got
anywhere there to tell the currently.

Speaker 10 (19:07):
No.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
I think I'm reading some of the Australian stuff this
morning and last night after the game. I think I
think there's a there's a high degree of pride in
the Australian side that they that they pushed us as
much as they did, having been down by as much
as they were early because I don't know, it looked
like it was going to be a bloodbath when they
were twenty one nil down after fifteen minutes. Now I
was getting text from friends of mine saying this will

(19:29):
be this will be a cricket score. But for them
to come back, you know, through their own resilience and resolve,
but also I think through the All Blacks lack of execution,
I think they'll be pleased. They still seem to me
to be a wee way off at though, Mark I
don't know. They're certainly not the force of old and
that will probably take a little bit of time.

Speaker 8 (19:46):
I would imagine who the Australians or the.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Australians, but maybe it applies to the I don't think
it should apply to the All Blacks. Like I said
at the top, you know, I felt like we would
be better than we better than we are at this
point after eight Test matches.

Speaker 8 (20:02):
Just one last thing. Have you got any word on
cam Rogan on coming to Europe?

Speaker 2 (20:08):
You think, yep he will, Yep, he's back. He's backing
with the team. He's back in with the team this week.
He's going to train with the All Blacks all week
this week. He won't play in the Test match, but
he will play NPC in the next weekend and then
provided he comes through, okay, he will be on the
end of your tour.

Speaker 8 (20:25):
He's got a good scar of the OC.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, I saw that too, Mark, I saw that too. Yeah,
battle scars. I think they call them good to have
them back, though. Good to chat to eight hundred and
eighty ten to eighty. Someone said the problem is the fitness.
Ken says, clearly, the problem of the All Blacks is
that they are not fit enough. Why else would they
fall off in the last twenty minutes. I cannot subscribe
to that view. Fitnesses are not negotiable when it comes

(20:49):
to the All Blacks. Surely when it comes to any
elite sports person, fitness is are not negotiable. And Nick
Girl is the head of strength and conditioning with this team,
and there is no way that he would not be
preparing those players for test rugby. I've heard it suggested
that you know that it's fitness, but I don't know

(21:11):
that it can be. Yes, you get fatigued, of course,
you get fatigued. Everybody does after playing fifty sixty seventy
minutes of high level rugby, of course, but they're trained
to execute their core skills under the pressure of fatigue.

(21:31):
I don't know if it's fitness. I just don't don't
buy that as the as the reason.

Speaker 11 (21:37):
How are you, Phil, Yeah, yeah, okay, twenty How are you?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I'm good? Thanks mate.

Speaker 11 (21:43):
Oh I'm relieved.

Speaker 12 (21:45):
I think that's the word that they used after that game,
so I think it's stop raised and might have used
it himself and make me the characters that a couple
of them says, it's relieved. It was the hell of
a game that could have gone either way. You know,
the Oudsies could have easily won that game. They It

(22:05):
reminded me they dropped a lot of balls themselves, you
know at crucial times when they had a break on
and that, and made a lot of mistakes themselves, and
then they got it together in the second half. Old
whatever Joe Schmid said to them certainly pumped them up,
because I think they won the second half boy fourteen
points to three, but then came back. It's reminded me
a lot of that first South African game, not the

(22:26):
second one. It was a difference start altogether. But you
know in that first South African game with the all
Blacks come out lying and we're all out of South
Africa and then South Africa held on, you know, when
we lost it in that last ten fifteen minutes, And
it reminded me a lot of that how the Aublets
come mine out of the blocks and all Jordan looked
great and they were opening them up and courtiers and

(22:47):
things were going great. And I was sitting there thinking,
like you, fifteen twenty minutes into it, Jesus, we're getting
a sixty or a sixty bus score here and then
and then they started to and then they came back.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
But I don't.

Speaker 12 (23:00):
Yeah, I've had a loss as well. I'm bamboozled and
buggered as well to figure out, boy, we're not putting
it together in that last fifteen or twenty ten to
fifteen minutes, and we're losing it in those last fifty
were almost losing it because like I said, I think
we were a bit lucky to win that game last
night in the end, not how we started off, but

(23:20):
in the end. And I thought in my mind here
I thought too maybe, But then I'm like you, thinking,
so it can't be. But it can't be a fitness
thing because those guys are the you know, put to
the pump and they wouldn't be going and not unfit.
So I'm thinking I can't be fitness. I just don't

(23:40):
know what it is. It's just not because in the past,
that was when old All Black teams grew up, you know,
like I grew up in the eighties with fuck Shelf
and all the great players and that from then, you know,
Fitzpatrick and that. Like yesterday with John Eels, I wanted
to call him because I think I remember bloody John Eils.

(24:00):
Did he jump up a conversion, jump up under the
gold post and actually knock the ball down with his
head and a conversion in one game I took that. Yeah,
but yeah, yeah, and that was extraordinary. You never see
that now. I don't think I've ever seen it again.
You know, somebody do that. I'm not even sure if
you're allowed to do it. The rules now to stop
the ball coming over from a conversion. If you can

(24:21):
jump up and knock it out, your hit tall. But yeah,
that's that's always been a strength of the All Blacks.
You know they're picking it. They actually pick it up
in that last ten and fifteen when other teams are
hitting the wall.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
So I just, yeah, that's the thing for you and
I could have had this conversation after the last test,
and after the test before that, and after the test
before that. It's just it's become, unfortunately, become a talking
point because it continues to happen that you know, as
you say, this was the hallmark of All Blacks teams
past that if they were behind, they found a way

(24:55):
to get in front in the last twenty minutes. If
they were ahead in the last twenty minutes, that stretched
the lead, would bring guys off the bench and they
would just go over the top of teams. And unfortunately
it's just not happening now. I come back to I'm
like you, I don't think it's fitness. I don't think
you would look at the All Blacks and say these
guys aren't fit. I don't know how you measure that.

(25:15):
I mean, you probably don't need to. You don't need
to say, well does that guy fit or is he
could he be fitter? I honestly think it goes back
to what Jason Holland was talking about and what Raises
said after the game, and I'll play a little bit
of audio on it. It's it's there. It's the execution
of those basic skills that just for whatever reason, isn't happening.

(25:37):
Here's here's Scott Barrett. Why can't they score after the
sixtieth Monte? Here's the captain's view.

Speaker 13 (25:41):
You know, it's just the execution really that that's all
it is. That's in those moments. It's been sterely to
finish those opportunities because we're creating them, and when we
do have teams under the pump, it that could be
the difference between putting twenty points on them.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Is that word again, execution? How are you Michael?

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (26:00):
I look, I've got to say I'm losing a little
bit of say or does if you look at the
only he left on the bench last night. You know,
led the Blues verse five to a very structured season
for a very structured season, and I would like to
see him run get a run last night and we

(26:21):
would have closed that game out.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
He came on at the end. I know, I know
it was late. He I think got four minutes at
the end. It's time to make an impact on and
for minutes you would prefer to say twenty minutes. I presume,
oh at.

Speaker 14 (26:34):
Least, because I mean and Amien McKenzie plays a very
unstructured game, right, and that's accepted and he's good at that.
But when you're a hit and when you want to
close the game out, you come back to your core
and you play percentage rugby and you really keep that
opposition under pressure and even your defense becomes attacked.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
But we don't do that.

Speaker 14 (26:59):
We still play this, you know. I just wonder you
let the opposition have these chances. Good teams will take them.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
So would you like to see Harry Plumber given a
start in Wellington?

Speaker 14 (27:16):
I'd like to see him get a damn good runner
in Lington, you know, And I'd like to see how
it would work, you know, if we get ahead and
then he has maybe the whole second half and we've
watched what he can do because he can make a
break himself. He is fast, you know, he is a
very underrated player. Yeah, I would like to see him

(27:40):
get a really good run in Wellington. And I don't
know if you want to start a guy in his
first test, you know, I teen to let him come
on at halftime, but I'd given him a good half
of rugby.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Good man, Michael, thanks for your call, mate, just on
that his razor talking about Damian McKenzie. Damian McKenzie is
a big talking point in this game. He as a
said to Jason Holland, his superpower is his unpredictability and
his ability to open up space and to find gaps
and to go through those gaps. But unfortunately last night

(28:18):
for Damien McKenzie, and it's not the first time it's happened,
the final pass just wasn't the right one the decision making.
There were a couple of times when he went through
a gap, created space, created an opportunity, but then didn't
get the pass away as accurately as he could have
could have. Here is Razer speaking this morning about Damien

(28:39):
McKenzie just before the All Blacks jumped on their plane,
or actually this was only about an hour ago, so
probably just before he moved into the Koru lounge. Here
is Razor on Damien McKenzie from last night.

Speaker 15 (28:52):
Damien was mercurial, you know, like he can play, he
can turn it on, and we know how gifted their
feed and a player he can be, which continue to
try to go his game and is getting better at
his craft. We're going to finish a couple of opportunities and.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
We're all aware that mercurial is the word that he used. Now,
I look that up because I needed to make sure
that I had the right definition mercurial. It's got a
couple of meanings actually describes. The first one is it
describes someone who's mood or behavior is changeable and unpredictable.
But it also means someone who is clever, lively, and quick.
So I think all of those probably apply to Damien McKenzie.

(29:28):
So would Raiser consider a change at first five for
the Test against Australia and Wellington.

Speaker 16 (29:35):
Oh, that's a good question, I'll well beck them.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
You've got to do that.

Speaker 15 (29:38):
You've got to give someone an opportunity and time to
hold those reins as long as they possibly can, and
also have someone that can ast and play there because
obviously we changed so quickly. Obviously oponents that completely that
with the semper feeder injured, we've been injured again. You know,
Harry's coming and had a little cameo and it was
a great moment for him after the game.

Speaker 16 (29:57):
And yeah, so those are the two options.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
So there you go, that's Raises thinking. Damien McKenzie is
one of two players I mentioned this yesterday. He and
Alie Saville are the only two who have started all
eight test matches? Will he get a knight in Wellington?
Be keen to hear of you. I eight hundred and
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want to jump aboard back with your calls or more
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Speaker 4 (30:28):
Baby now New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Managing to link up with said Titi brings it over halfway,
presents nicely down a left hand side, right him right
timer through the line up towards the twenty two Hey
support Rickayowanne down a left side rick Kyowanne gets the
All Black second.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, Ricka Yanna you were to try last night. He
has a scored a triph of the All Blacks for
a while. Good to see him on the score sheet
last night. I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty
for your thoughts seventeen to one, get I.

Speaker 17 (30:54):
Mark get a binding any squad is playing on the wing,
that that's the position.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I knew you're going to say that point out of everybody.

Speaker 17 (31:04):
Look, I reck when I rang yesterday, I will worried.
I'm still worried. I'm still I'm still worried. I'm probably
more worried. As we said Mackenzie, I likened him Dispenser.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
I still do.

Speaker 17 (31:17):
I think that in that era with Spencer, you had
the other side of the coin, which was Mertens now Mertons.
You knew what Mertons was going to do. You absolutely
knew exactly what he was going to do every time
he had the ball in his hand pretty much, and
the All Blacks were pretty done.

Speaker 7 (31:35):
Good under Mertons.

Speaker 17 (31:37):
I just look, I agree with the caller a little
bit earlier about giving Harry Plumber ag Look, Harry Plumber
might be the number three choice out there, behind Reuben Love,
behind Pera Better, but he won, He won a twelve
title and he and he controlled that team from the pivot.
And that's the sort of thing I'm looking for in

(31:58):
terms of the All Black structure of their game. We
won an unstructured manner early on, all over the shop
and we got lucky. Uh. I think Australia have got
more in them. I don't think they'll come to Wellington
and knock us off. But they found a baseline last

(32:18):
night for themselves that I think burn Cotter will go. Okay,
we know where we're at now and we know we
could find a way forward for Australia. But for ourselves,
I'm still concerned. As I said yesterday, it's a bit
of a nuts and bolts team, a bit of a pitcher, yeah,
a bit of a mongrel where and what we're always

(32:39):
after is a pure bread. Yeah, we want that. We
want that thorough bread all black teams. And at the
moment when we've got wet, when we've got this thing,
that's it's not really taking shape, it's not showing us
it's true colors. I'm not seeing. I'm not seeing a style.

(33:00):
And that's what great sort of teams have is they
have a style about them.

Speaker 18 (33:06):
I'm a game.

Speaker 17 (33:07):
We'll get through next week and then we've got a
big task coming up, big in England, Ireland and France.
We could come Owen three people, we could come away
Owen three.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Hey, one question for you, Mark, if you had the choice, okay,
if you were selecting the team, would you let's just
say you had the choice between Bowden Barrett and Harry
Plumber to start at ten next week. Who would you choose?
Who would you choose? Barrett all Right, yep, I'd got
on you always good chatting mate. I'd like to see
Harry Plumber given another opportunity. Four minutes last night was

(33:44):
kind of tough, really in a you know, in a
high pressure situation. Good on the for throwing him on,
but you don't learn a lot about a guy from
four minutes. I think we learned a lot about Harry
Plumber during the Super Rugby season. I wouldn't mind seeing
him giving a go rece Hi.

Speaker 19 (33:59):
Hey, hey, young buddy.

Speaker 20 (34:00):
Very good.

Speaker 19 (34:02):
Absolutely, I'm a big Harry Plumber fan, and I'm a
bluestand so on the bias. But still I was I
was screaming at the TV last night for them to
put them on, because, as you kept saying about Mackenzie
and this the structure that the All Blacks don't have,
and I think it's is in that middle with Mackenzie,
because yes, he's unpredictable to the other team, but he's

(34:23):
also unpredictable to his own teammates and they don't know
what he's going to do next. And how many times,
how many times have you seen him in these last
Test matches where Satiti or the Fords or the loose
Foras are actually picking the ball out of the year
before it even gets to them. They're intercepting that they're
intercepting the ball from of their own players.

Speaker 18 (34:45):
So I just explain that race, wef McKenzie.

Speaker 19 (34:50):
Yeah, I'm just saying how everyone keeps going on about
this unpredictability of them.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
And yeah, the bit about the bit about are you
are you saying that the passes he throws guys who
aren't the intended target are picking it up.

Speaker 19 (35:05):
Yeah, well, Stetti that in that last Test match against
South Africa he picked out two out of the year
from that we're going to McKenzie. But Lewis forwards are
picked plucking it out of the year when that's not
even meant for them. But they don't even know what.

Speaker 21 (35:23):
He's going to do next.

Speaker 19 (35:24):
And that's why these passes at the end or at
the end of these phases aren't connecting because they don't
even know what he's going to do.

Speaker 8 (35:33):
What about these.

Speaker 19 (35:34):
Passes and a couple of test those Test matches against
South Africa.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
So you'd be willing to Yeah, so you'd be willing
to give up the unpredictability which can be a superpower
for the more structured certainty of a guy like Harry Plummer.

Speaker 19 (35:50):
Absolutely, that's the all Blacks way, and that's always been
the all Black structure. Look at their forwards. We absolutely
matched South Africa and that those test matches against in
the forward pack they couldn't match. When everyone thought that
we were going to get run over in the forwards
while their back with the role mauls in the lineouts,
that we didn't. We held our own in the scrum,
we held her own in the rolling mauls, and then

(36:12):
it would get to the backs and there was just
no structure. And I reckon it starts with fat ten
and then he had both and buried at fifteen. He's
been a prodigal son of number ten for how many years?
And then they put him in fifteen and everyone says that, well, Raiser,
this morning came that you need to let Damien find

(36:33):
his feet. He's been a normalck since twenty and sixteen.
It's not like he's new to the game or new
to the team. It had his charmped he had plenty
of chances.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Thanks Terese, appreciate your call. We may well see Horry
Plumber get a greater role in Wellington. I think the
comments from Scott Robertson that we played earlier would suggest
that Damian McKenzie is not a lock for the first
five jersey in Wellington. He just on your point about
and finding his feet. Most of us all Black rugby
has been at fullback, so finding his feet in the

(37:07):
first five position I think is what Razor is talking
about there. And I do admire I've said this a lot.
I admire the loyalty that he's shown to Damien McKenzie
and giving him eight tests in a row. What he
does in Wellington against the Wallabies will be very very interesting,
Thanks Reese. I hope Harry Plummer does get a crack,
either off the bench or maybe in the ten jersey. Mike,

(37:28):
how are you?

Speaker 5 (37:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (37:30):
Good?

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Funny?

Speaker 5 (37:32):
Hey, listen.

Speaker 9 (37:33):
Mackenzie's bench player is an impact player all day long,
you know. And I don't rate Plumber. And there's a
rumors swirling around about Mala Richard Wunger coming back, which
I hope is done true. And he's got another five
years in the ten jersey for the All Backs, and
I think the Rugby Union should just pay him out

(37:54):
of this contract and get him back here as at
P because we're diluting the brand by paying guys out
a position, and that art suited the all back rugby.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Who would you pick in the ten jersey next week?
Your options are probably McKenzie, Bote and Barreler, Harry Plummer.
Who would you pick there next week? I take your
point him Warnger and from what I understand, probably hearing
the same things you are, that he'll probably be back
in the middle of twenty twenty five. So who would
you pick next week?

Speaker 9 (38:22):
I'll pick that and put McKenzie on the bench as
impact player because we're looking the impact on the bench
at all, and I think if he leads a kind
of a certain kind of way off the bench with
a bunch of other guys, we will get the impact
in the last twenty minuts.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
We've been lacking.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
You know, Yeah, Mike, Yes, you look at Damien McKenzie
and what he does and it almost screams impact player,
doesn't it. You know, that ability to run and broken
play to run it tied defenders to you know, to
use that skill set when play isn't quite as structured.
They've given him a crack at first five, and I
think it was the right decision to do that initially

(38:58):
and to stick with him At some point though they
have to decide whether he is your man moving forward.
As I say, it'll be very very instructive the selection
for the Wallabies test in Wellington on Saturday. Just a
couple of injury things someone's asked about. Stephen Pettifetter injured
at the moment, so not in contention Jeordi Barrett by

(39:19):
the sounds of things, out for four to six weeks
with a knee injury. So there's going to have to
be a change in midfield as well. Maybe Billy Proctor
gets a chance even though he's not a second five.
Maybe there's a shuffle there, Maybe Nton Lennart Brann comes
into second five. I'd love to see Billy proc to
get an opportunity on his home ground again. We wait
to see eight Away from one. News TALKSB.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
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Speaker 2 (39:49):
EDB five to one more on the All Blacks Wallabies
After one o'clock, David Camps Wallaby's legend going to ring us,
so or going to talk to us. We'll ring him,
I think, to give us a view from that side
of the Tasman. More of your calls, welcome, heaps of text.
I'm sorry I can't get to them all. There are
a lot of really good points bing made on text
here which I'll try to get to. Just a final

(40:09):
couple of comments from Razer before we go to the news.
How do you make it click was one of the
questions that was asked of Raiser this morning.

Speaker 16 (40:20):
Look we have the confidence side of it to create
them anyway. And look, we've talked.

Speaker 15 (40:26):
You know, we've had some more meetings in Sachi and Sachia.
Feels like around the extual opportunity to to see them. Now,
how are we going to finish them? And you know,
fronted up and you know you want to take any
negative tension around that. You want to show that this
is it boys, train it now, give it.

Speaker 16 (40:45):
It's been there. It's just listen to happen. Just to click.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
You got the little click of the fingers there from
Raser to illustrate the point, Jason, if you leave Mackenzie
on the bench and Jordi Barrett's out, who takes the
kicks a goal, asks Colin. It's a good question, Colin.
I presume whoever plays first five. Voden Barrett's a goal kicker.
Harry Plumber's a goal kicker, so I presume they do.
They won't go in there without a plan around goalkicking,
but I would imagine that that that is what they

(41:10):
will do. And it finally from Razor on the yellow cards.

Speaker 15 (41:14):
If very disappointed. You know, A big focus for us
was our discipline, especially when you get on your own
line and phenlong for a period of time. This one
place wanted to clean up. Obviously gets the boxes, one
area that they target us and we needed to be
clean and we wasn't good enough.

Speaker 16 (41:27):
We'll assisted again.

Speaker 15 (41:28):
It's a focus for us.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yes, News next at one, then David Campc then more
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Speaker 2 (41:49):
One O seven. Welcome back into the show or welcome
into the show. This is Weekend Sport until three on
Jason Pine this hour. David Campci standing by the chat
to us Wallaby's legend. What's he made of the Wallabies
under Joe Schmidt? What did he make of last night?
And how long until the wall of can again become
a true rugby superpower like they were when he was

(42:11):
in the Jersey back in the early nineties, in and
around that time. James mccony this hour as well. We've
got time for more of your calls to eight hundred
and eighty ten eight. He couldn't get everybody on the
air last hour. We'll try and do that this hour
Live Sport, just updating you from Eden Park and the
Fara Palmer Cup Premiership. Hawks Bay doing a number on Auckland.

(42:32):
Seven minutes to go. They lead forty three seventeen. The
Hawks Bay two over the Auckland Storm, but further south
than the Rotterdua, it is the Bay of Plenty Volcanics
leading Canterbury seventeen points to twelve. We've had about ten
minutes in the second half there. As far as the
Bunnings MPC is concerned, they're underways. You heard clay mention

(42:53):
in the Sports news in Hamilton. Why cuttle seven to
ahead of Tasman after just a couple of minutes? Dreams
start for the home side with the converted try inside
two minutes. So why hat overhead of Tasman Auckland Place
South at five past two Monter or two Otago also
at five past two. A couple of texts before we
move on, Craig says, Jason, here's my back line for
next week. Latimer Plumber A midfield of Anton Lennett, Brown

(43:18):
and Billy Proctor, Caleb on one wing, Rico on the other,
Jordan at fullback on the bench, DJ Body and d
mac Interesting and again it's funny I defaulted to, but
who's going to cover this position? When I look at
your reserves, Craig, But I see yesterday and we need
to change our thinking. Where do we get the impact
off the bench rather than who do we use to

(43:40):
cover if there's an injury. Of course, you look at
your team and I know what you'll say. Rico covers
midfield for you if need be, so, I don't mind
Boden Barrett and Damien Mackenzie on the bench. Would that
have ever happened? Would we ever have had Boden Barrett
and Damien Mackenzie on the bench at the same time? Oh,
Craig continues Ricco needs to be on the wing to

(44:01):
cover midfield. There you go, which allows for both Barrett
and dmac on the bench. Thanks Craig Jason Seyshawn On fitness,
I agree it seems unlikely the All Black standards have
slipped as far as fitness is concerned, but I do
think other teams have finally got up to speed with that,
possibly due to diffusion of New Zealand coaches and approaches,

(44:22):
so that we no longer have that relative advantage. Coupled
that with a reduced number of players who would make
a World fifteen right now, and that's showing up in
our results. Thanks Shan, your calls and texts continue to
be welcomed. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine
two ninety two is the text line.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
All right hands either got numbers to Wallabies, Tom Wrights
right reaches out right the try and the Wallabies we'll
have a chance to try and win this game out
of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yea, That tribe was converted thirty one twenty eight, so
a final few nervous moments for All Blacks fans before
the result was finally secured. Let's get you across the
Tasman for an Australian viewpoint from Wallaby's legend David Campsei
who joins US now David thirty one twenty eight. Do
you think the Wallabies will look at this one is
one that perhaps they let slip away?

Speaker 5 (45:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (45:10):
Mate, I think it's the way the game started. It
looked like the All Blacks were going to just win
by fifty. But then obviously, you know, I've never seen
an All Black team really made so many mistakes and
they obviously the first the first two tries at the
Stralias Corps were pretty simple, especially defensive errors, which is

(45:31):
very unusual. But again the Wallabies came back well they
you know, the pretty good performance. We've got some really
good individual players, but we still haven't really gelled properly
yet and I just think it's look, it's kind of
it might take a while, but you know, I think
it's also interesting to see the way the All Blacks

(45:54):
have played. I mean, they were roped by twenty one
points I think it was, and it was like the
game in South Africa. They're roped by twenty points in
the first game. Most All Black teams are passed would
make it forty points, and they just don't seem to
have that killer instinct or that resolve to you know,
to make the opposition really suffer. They just sort of

(46:17):
took the foot off the panel and made some mistakes
and you know, brought the Wallabies back into the game.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Why do you think that is? Why haven't they got
the killer instinct that's been a trademark, a hallmark of
all Blacks teams down the years.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
Yeah, look, I'm not really sure.

Speaker 23 (46:32):
Look, you know, I know the game is different now
and there's so much more, you know, there's so much
more gone into the rugby, like there's so much more analysis,
and there's so many more different coaches and just as
like a simple thing if you watch the warm ups
of most teams, they do the short little passes the
warm up, but in the game they don't do the
short passes. A lot of them do the spirals. Just

(46:54):
a little simple thing. So it's when you get out
there under pressure and you could see, you know, even
Damian McKenzie some of the passes that went to ground,
which is very unusual that level. And that flick passage
I had to throw in. He didn't need to do that.
You know, it's probably just I don't know again, they're
still probably learning as a unit to understand each other

(47:15):
which are the lines they run. And I think Boden
Barrett was missing badly as well. I think Jordan's a
very good player, but I think it's more of a finisher.
He's not really a creator, and I think that's where
Boden Barrett sort of adds that extra spice to the backline.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
How far away do you think the Wallabies are from
challenging the top three or four sides in the world.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
Again, Well, I just.

Speaker 23 (47:37):
Think it's just interesting that we've we've brought another key
week coach in that really you know what I would
thoughts by now that it would have been great if
he sort of tried to understand what our culture and
history was and why we were the Wallabies and what
we were good at. We've got some really good individual players,
but we keep on changing nine and ten around week

(47:57):
in week out, and that's as you know, in most games,
nine and ten of the general you know, they're the
connection between the forwards and packs. And I think that
he's still doesn't understand I suppose our mentality, like you know,
we do really well in that game miss, so we
really came back. But really, when the All Blacks were

(48:17):
down to thirteen, why didn't we try and run a
wide because there was two backs missing? You know, I
think because our super rugby is not great and obviously
the next generation coming through which they don't really watch
a lot of rugby or they haven't really got a
lot of idols who they want to be like because
most of obviously in Australi's rugby league. And I just

(48:39):
think that we need we just need some players to
come through and have the skills but also have the
confidence to try and gel and play, you know, and
probably get the basic skills right and play a bit
better than we have been playing.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Do you think he's the right man to coach the Wallabies?

Speaker 23 (48:56):
Well, unfortunate I think he was the only one available
at the time. And I think that, you know, sometimes
we panic. We again, we haven't really got to set
up in Australia where you know you've got you've got
a system where we bring all the young coaches through.
Most of the young coaches have to go overseas. And
another coach now, the guy called Chris Latham, you know

(49:18):
helps him are in twenty nineteen Rugby World Cup. Can't
get a start in Australia, didn't want him, goes over
to America, makes the final, lost the final this year. Unfortunately,
then a couple of weeks started to gets another job
over there, and not one person from rugby Australia is
interested in him at all. They don't speak to him.
They want to see how he's going. Is he interested?
That's that's our problem. We don't sort of look after

(49:40):
our own and I think also if you notice in
the world rugby at the moment, you've got Robertson coach
that the all backs played for the New Zealand Russia,
Rasmus played for South Africa, ball, we played for England,
Townsend played for Scotland's and the French coach obviously he
played for France, you know. And we've got a coach

(50:01):
that is a New zal I don't know if he
actually played for New Zealandia. He's a good coach, but
at the moment, you know, we are We were number
one two in the world for years and years by
playing a certain style. But he's brought into our game
like maureling the ball from twenty two meters out, which
is not really our style of game. We've got to
go back to what we are known for. But again,

(50:22):
if the guys haven't got the coach's ability to play
the game and try things, you know, we'll probably be
stuck in this situation for a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Are there any you mentioned Chris Latham? Are there any
other Australian born candidates to coach the Wallabies right now?

Speaker 23 (50:40):
Well, look, I think there isn't really because you know,
we've got so we had a couple of South African coaches.
You had Brad Thorne, obviously he's retired as well. Now
you've got Les Kiss who's a rugby league player. I
think he's ever played rugby, but he's doing the Reds.
And now we've got Kat coming in from England to
do the back line. And obviously Check was around was

(51:05):
available but is now in England and he's obviously at
Leicester and enjoying his stint there. Just got there. So
you know, again all our coaches are going around the world.
It's obviously you've got to be part of I don't know,
at certain club or something that gets the jobs out
here because you know, we need to look towards the
future as we've got the lines next year and we've

(51:28):
got twenty seven Rugby World Cups, so we've got a
couple of massive years coming and we need to be
in a one, two three position if otherwise, where you
know we'll probably struggle. And you know we've League and
Ozzie rules in Australia, dominating week in, week out and
entertaining people. We need to play a style of rugby
that we entertain the people and people come to watch
and at the moment it's just not happening.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Just one final one. On aura, it's pretty hard to define.
I know Campeo, but your teams the of the early
nineties had it, the All Blacks have had it at
various stages. Once you lose an aura, is it possible
to get an aura back?

Speaker 23 (52:06):
I think it comes from the team, you know. I
think also what's very different these days When we played
I know, as long time ago, but we would have
the same fifteen for probably ten fifteen test matches unless
someone got injured. You know, he never came off because
if you came off, you never get another run. Now
you know you've got forty minutes players, you've got sixty

(52:28):
minutes players, you know, And we saw the South Africans
lose to Argentina this morning, you know, by a very
close margin because a penalty goal, you know, and sometimes
it's just the smallest margin of error makes a difference.
But the All Blacks have always been known for start
off very strong in the first ten and they sort
of foot off the pedal the last ten minutes before halftime,

(52:50):
they pile on the points. Second half ten minutes, pile
on the points, take it easy and if they have
to the end. But now what we saw yesterday was
a total different team. Yes, they've got a new coach,
still understanding. Again, they've lost a lot of experience players
as well from last year. I think a lot of
teams have and you need the guys to stand up,

(53:12):
you know, you need the experienced players. And I think
that's where I think South Africa at the moment is
miles ahead. They've you know, obviously Russ is a very
smart guy. He his plans for the future. I think
they can you know, but again, you know, this morning
is a simple penalty goal. Two shots that you know,
win and lose games now, so at the top level,
so like the All Blacks, it'll come back. But they've

(53:34):
just got to understand. It's like in the Wall of
be you understand why you're playing for your country and
you know, and I think that we saw Clark in
that towards the end. He didn't have to do what
he did.

Speaker 16 (53:44):
You know.

Speaker 23 (53:44):
The All Blacks discipline has been normally unbelievably good over
the years and years. But in the game, yes, though
the discipline was very poor, which is very very unusual.
And again that could be down to the leadership on
the field and obviously new coach who knows. But you know,
they're just not the same as they you know, they
haven't been for for well dominated rugby for many years.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Interesting times on both sides of the testament. Thanks a
for your time this afternoon, David, really appreciate it.

Speaker 23 (54:11):
Well, I mean well into next week. So it's not
a good honey ground for the All Blacks at the moment.
You never know, it could be a bit of a
surprise any way.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Well that's that's the question being asked over here. It's
a bit of a graveyard. As you say, we should
play really good Eaton Park David, you know that.

Speaker 23 (54:26):
Yes that's a long times as we won there too,
but yeah, I under said, right, good on you.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Thanks David. David KEMPIZI there with his thoughts what a player,
what a play? He was some interesting thoughts there too.
Clearly not not a fan of Jochmut coaching the Wallabies,
would prefer an Australian to do it. He made the
point about the coaches at various other places having you know,
played for that country. You know, I often think to myself,

(54:57):
how would we feel if if a non New Zealander
coach the All Blacks? It may well happen one day.
I think we've got a decent, actual line of coaches
who I'm sure will helm up our our All Blacks
for quite some time. But over in Australia it's not
the first time, is it, David, David Rennie had them,
didn't he. Eddie Jones's Australian. Look what he did with
that team. So I'm not sure that nationality is to

(55:20):
be all and end all. Clearly, David Campese're not a
fan necessarily the way Joe Schmitt's going. Your thoughts on
this test continue to be welcome. Oh eight hundred and
eighty ten eighty nine, two ninety two. Someone's suggested Stephen Larkham. Yeah,
he's another guy who perhaps I remember reading or hearing
something about Stephen larkhum or chicking the airbreak about about
whether he was anywhere close to consideration. They've gone with

(55:43):
Joe Schmidt play some of his thoughts at the moment.
Let's get back to the line though, they are open
for you, Mark, thanks for holding.

Speaker 8 (55:50):
You, no buddy.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
A couple of things.

Speaker 24 (55:53):
Nobody's mentioned the rift for TMO yet I thought they'd
done a good job apart from one little thing.

Speaker 19 (56:01):
And that brings you to my second point.

Speaker 23 (56:03):
Australian halfback does he ever shut his mouth?

Speaker 7 (56:07):
I thought he'd done more last night.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
I thought he'd done more last night to deserve a.

Speaker 17 (56:12):
Yellow card at what Per and Arad done on the
previous test.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Nick White, Yeah, he doesn't mind a word, Nick White.
It's a bit of a It's a bit of a
trademark of halfbacks, isn't it. Mark. You know they tend
to like to have their say, they like to referee
the game, well they do.

Speaker 24 (56:29):
But I think Nick White went a little bit overboard
last night. But I think the ref could have given
him a yellow card. But part from it, I thought
the ref and TMO had done a fairly good job
last night.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
I think he've illustrated the point by saying that nobody's
talking about them, Mark. That's what we always say, don't we.
When no one's talking about the ref or the TMO
or the officials at all, then they must have had
a good game.

Speaker 7 (56:48):
They're all happy.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Yep.

Speaker 24 (56:50):
Yeah so and like like'm just said, I like them
like you said them, yep, the well and it's not
a good hunting ground, is it.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
No, this is true. Market's been a willsonce the All
Blacks wanty s match in Wellington, that's for sure. We'll
see how they go this coming weekend. Thanks for your call, mate. Yeah,
I thought I thought the ref had a good game
TMO two. I thought they might have had a look
at the very last play, which was the turnover. Ardie

(57:21):
Savier turned it over, TJ went in to help out
TJ Pettinada and it just looked as though he might
have been a bit high with with where he I
can't remember who the Australian ball carrier was, but it
just he just looked a little bit high. Perhaps I
wonder whether they might have had a look at that well.
The TMO did have a look at it, that's right
because the Australian captain asked the referee, hey what about that,

(57:42):
and the ref said, look, the tmo's had a look
at his clearit. So yeah, I think they had a
good game. Here's Joe Schmitt after the game. Is he
by nature and optimist? Does he have a half full
glass or is it a half empty glass? Was what
Joe Schmitt was asked. There's not a lot of water
in the glass. You know, you lose a Test match.

Speaker 21 (58:06):
So so for us, as Harry said that, there's things
that we've got to learn from. We can't finish a
close second. It's, you know, there's some things to be
proud about. And I totally agree with Harry around you know,
building our way back into the game, but giving a

(58:26):
New Zealand side a start like that, it's it's it's
too tough to overcome that. Albeit it almost did happen
at the finish, so by no means is it back
to the drawing board. I think there's there's some things
there that that they'll be looking at and saying, well,

(58:48):
you know, we were a bit vulnerable here or there,
and I just thought that there was some there were
some things that we put together that that they'll look
at and and and be a little bit challenged by.
But what we can't do is has turned ball over
to them more kick loosely to them. Because I thought

(59:11):
Will Jordan was outstanding tonight. Damien McKenzie, he maybe didn't
finish a couple of opportunities, but Teezy makes them. So
you know that there are a couple of guys who
obviously stood out, and you know, and amongst a number
of guys, you know the Lysa Caleb Clark as well
was really dangerous with ball in hand.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
That is Joe Schmidt after the game, fairly philosophical. Interesting
that he mentioned Damien McKenzie. Uh, this is exactly the
same conversation that used to go on when Carlos Penser
was the All Blacks Verse five. Brilliant you know, could
do things that other players couldn't do, but there was
always just that doubt in people's minds that perhaps he

(59:54):
might be a little bit erratic on occasion, that the
overplaying of the strength became the weakness, that his incredible
ability to do the unpredictable things sometimes naturally just spilled
over into making the odd error throwing a cutout pass
and a World Cup semi final, for example. I think

(01:00:14):
that's it. Scott Robertson said exactly the same thing, describing
Damien mackenzie as mercurial. Joe Schmitt there said he didn't
finish the opportunities, but gee, he creates them. What would
we rather have? Would we rather have the opportunities being
created or would we rather have a steadier hand who

(01:00:35):
was not quite as likely to create opportunities like that?
Particularly and broken play. It's a selection conundrum for Scott
Robertson and his team, for any rugby coach who has
a couple of options at first five, do you go
with a guy who creates a lot but occasionally it

(01:00:58):
doesn't come off, or do you go with a guy
who is just a very steady hand on the wheel.
And that is what they'll have to dosy this week.
They've gone with Damien McKenzie every test this year. They've
said that ten Jersey is yours. I just got from
his responses to a couple of questions at the airport
this morning the fact they might be considering a change

(01:01:20):
for Wellington. If they do, they can go with Boden
Barrett there. They could move Harry Plummer in there to start.
Stephen Pettifetter injured at the moment, so there are three options,
stick with Damien McKenzie, bringing Boden Barrett, who's played at
ten a lot for the All Blacks, or bringing Harry
Plummer for what would be a starting debut in the

(01:01:41):
ten jersey, not forgetting, of course, that he was the
man who guided the Blues to a Super Rugby title
from that position this year. What would you be doing? Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine two
is the text line one twenty seven back with more
of your calls after this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
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Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Bang on one thirty. James asks did Harry Plumber play
ten or twelve during Super Rugby? Both James, but at
the back end of the season it was mainly first five.
Stephen Petefetter played the first six games at first five
and then picked up an injury. Harry Plumber came in
and played the next seven or eight. Stephen Petefetter returned

(01:02:28):
at first five for the final round robin match against
the Chiefs and Plumber went back to second five for
that game, and then for whatever reason they decided up.
Plumber is our man in the first five jersey. He
played there in the quarter final, the semi final and
the final, with Stephen Petefetter going back to fullback. So
most of us rugby, certainly from about the six week

(01:02:49):
or round six onwards, was at first five and a
very steady hand at the wheel.

Speaker 10 (01:02:54):
He was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Ponti, Lakham and Checker were both in contention for the
Wallabies job, but they chose Joshmidt and said instead. Says Sean,
thanks very much. Indeed, Sean oh eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty hello, I'll be.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Sticking with the mac I reckon. It would be a
big if were going backwards. If we change next week
him and Jordan, Will Jordan's had the second men play
at the back. Both of them look dangerous together on
the same field. You know you're marking one and two
and the alarm bells ringing the defense line. Then you
can hear it through the crowd's voices. Every time Willdordan

(01:03:32):
touches the ball and he hammers down, he can hear
the crowd do the old oo's and ours and that
and and you can tell when when the flowers sharp
as when the crowd reacts to the way the play.
And Demac, I mean both of them. You not find it.
He made balls up that pass here, could probably could
have done a better pass. But he's more positive than negative.
Were you know, not many players would have gone around

(01:03:54):
the outside of Valentini down on the left side. Well,
one of the almost women in the End of the
World trio, and he got taken back course his the
t there maybe there was awesome. The team are on
forehead moment. They had two bit Wise on fire and
Wallace a t T. I mean adults will be interesting
coming into number seven, so dults and the t T.

(01:04:14):
And but Courty is how strong is that little guy?
I'm in the defense man he's he's got to be careful.
He's really laying his body on the line. I thought
he had done the shoulder when he hit Cory Betty.
But I remember like in South Africa too, Couty has
stopped Rax big big bed Marx and right close to

(01:04:34):
the line. So he's on fire. I actually had to
see no hope from Todd I mean for TJ because
I think he's little snatched around the rucks, a dangerous
he's so deceptive you don't think he's going to snipe,
and all of a sudden, little bugger slopes around the rucks.
But and I think, alb I mean, I'm a chiefs man.
He's been the greatest defending for a while. But I

(01:04:55):
still think we just need that punch it din And
I wouldn't mind seeing proper give him a chance at
the end of some boone and bearing off the pinch,
sort of a five to five three split with Hope
and Todd. The team's looking really sharply here. They're chicking
half's a bit of worry, but he's good positives there, Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:05:13):
I think you pick up on it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Yeah, you pick up Kne're picking up on a lot
of the positive stuff, and you're right, there is a
lot to like about it, and just some of the
stuff you've picked up on there. I agree. Yeah, Damian
McKenzie going around the outside and setting up that try.
It was eventually I think it was a foward pass
that he threw. But for for Ratima to score that try,
that would have been in an absolute world. He probably
one of the tries of the season, Latimer, I agree, Satiti,

(01:05:35):
I totally agree. It's it's just finding a way to
have that consistency. I mean, at the moment, your Blacks
are a brilliant first half team. If we're really boil
it down, they're doing great in first halfs. Unfortunately that's
for whatever reason, they can't play eighty minutes at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
What about Caleb Clark too young, Caleb, He's fine, Mark
Klea given the chance. You know, c Se said a
bit of getting today than you did the last couple
of games. He had a real good game today. Rick,
I'm I'm glad that Jeff Goldie mentioned it on the commentary.

Speaker 16 (01:06:07):
Please.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
You know, everyone gives him grief that he's not breaking
the line, but there's no better cover defender in defense
sweeping back to make that last minute tackles. Then Kirwan
he at speed of as though, he just covers thee
much the ground, so he's pretty much there for the
defense as well as the attack. You know, I mean,
if he snipes the gap, but Will Jordan back to
Will Jordan, and man, he's just lightning and once once

(01:06:30):
he spots the gap and he just hits the hammer.
He takes you back to Cohen, doesn't he. I mean him,
Bensmith and Christian Cullen, three of them are ritually the
sort of similar way with the hit the gap and
the hammer down and they gone. And he's ageous, mate.
So I actually like to see more of Jordan at fifteen,
maybe boding off the bench.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
The sort of yeah, we're sorry, came, I've got to move.
We may get that.

Speaker 25 (01:06:51):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
The ironic part of this whole thing was that Will
Jordan was supposed to start on the wing last night.
It was only Bowden Barrett pulling out late with illness
that saw him go to fall back and then inside
ninety seconds he enters the line, you know, just like
a good fullback should and scores the first try. But
had Boden Barrett not picked up a tummy bug, then

(01:07:14):
Jordan would have been on the wing. There a lot
of people are saying, yeah, Ricoe Yoani scored the try,
and he was scored it going down the left wing
side and all that sort of thing. And this has
been a constant theme among all Blacks fans that a
lot of people would prefer to see Rico Yuwanni play
on the wing. He was actually asked that during the
week in a press conference, and his answer was fairly

(01:07:37):
curt I have to say it was I thought we'd
put this to bed. I thought we'd I thought we'd
moved on from this. Look, Rique Yowanni may have moved
on from it, absolutely, But if if Scott Robertson decides
that riccaoe Yoanni's best use in his team is off
the bench, then then so be it. Here is the
man himself, Rico Yuani talking to Elliott Smith after the game.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
Ricco, well played, And I guess your reaction to what
was a pretty tight test mention in the end, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:04):
It was.

Speaker 26 (01:08:05):
Obviously they called it test match for a reason, and
you know, with the start we had, I thought, you know, this,
this could be one of those games we opened it up.
But Izzie, you know, to their credit, you know, they stuck.

Speaker 18 (01:08:16):
In the fight, stuck in the fight and almost got there.

Speaker 26 (01:08:19):
You know, a lot of it I put down to
our discipline and ability to execute. But hey, look, those
are those pressure moments that we can't fix, which is pleasing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
What was the feeling at twenty one nil up around it?
It was becoming pretty easy at that point in time.

Speaker 26 (01:08:36):
Oh, look, I wouldn't say it was coming easy, but
you know, we're pretty happy with how we started and
that first half in particular. But again, you know, even
in that first half, we still had opportunities to sort
of put the put the foot on the throat, but
we didn't get it. So we'll make those changes and
will he be being an autointest.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Another tricky sort of into a game, But what can
you put that down to? And I guess on the
flip side, how pleasing to close one of those out?

Speaker 26 (01:09:04):
Oh yeah, definitely definitely pleasing, you know, And and the
belief to actually get over the line now you know
we've had to not go well, but finally again this
has been the belief and confidence in our geople will
just go up. But as for the sort of all
discipline second half, I think it's just pressure does funny things,

(01:09:25):
and you know, pressure mixed with the boys the termination
and want you know, you're you're going to find that
sort of sort of gray area and we just didn't
get that balance right tonight. We're pleased to come over
with the wind, but you know, we know that we
can be a lot more clinical.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
And just lastly from me, how special to have Harry
Plummer a player You've played a lot of rugby with
makers all back stab.

Speaker 7 (01:09:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:09:44):
Look, he's the most deservant All Black you know I've
seen come through the police. You know, he got man
that works so hard and sort of got didn't didn't
have the journey that he would have hoped. But you know,
we're we're all at the same destination now. And I
know his dad and family or all his brothers will
be so proud of him, just like we own.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Yeah up, just so staked for him as rica are
yo Oni twenty two to two Simon. Any thoughts on
impact players for the All Blacks?

Speaker 25 (01:10:13):
Yeah, mate, yeah, definitely. I think it comes down to
what is an impact player. You know, we know that
the impact players at the moment are probably not doing
the job. But you know, I think Raiser is getting closer.

(01:10:33):
That was that first half standing and the question is,
you know, with a guy like a guy like Harry Plummer,
I think I think DMC just just carved it up
in the first half. Okay, he made a couple of
silly the little classes there when Tamaki Williams was in
the clear and whatnot, but left it back to a

(01:10:55):
thing at the at the start, and impact to me
is someone who can keep that lead and maybe chip
away at it by maybe twelve to fifteen points, right,
so where Harry Plumber would be perfect. Bit DMC do
his thing and then bring and then bring a guy
like Harry Plumber on just to steady the ship and

(01:11:17):
and maybe just chip away a little bit more another
fifteen to twenty points. And you know, there was some
certain last night that it was just borderline, but then
there's a lot of stuff in ragatid that would just
stick and you know we'd be three three three disallowed tries. Mate,
that's that's.

Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
Twenty twenty one points.

Speaker 25 (01:11:38):
Yeah, yeah, you know what is an impact player? They mate,
you come in and light the whole thing up on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
It's such an interesting point, Simon. It's such an interesting
point you make because I guess I guess the assumption
if you've got a Harry Plumber as a guy to to,
you know, to steady things up, is that you will
be ahead. And I guess the common health view is
that the impact player someone who comes on and changes
the game if you're behind. So but it's it's a
really interestact point that we don't.

Speaker 25 (01:12:05):
Need to change, and I think that's where they're getting to, mate,
you know. I mean, he's an awesome player, Dmac, and
everyone says that he should be off the bench, and
maybe he should be. But I just thought that maybe
that's just flip it and think of it like that
and it might be something there. Maybe that's what Trade's
trying to do.

Speaker 23 (01:12:21):
I don't know, but you know, I didn't need to
look at.

Speaker 25 (01:12:24):
What is an impact player?

Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:12:26):
Anyway, No, it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Very good point. Not great point, Simon, really good point again. Yeah,
you just I guess you're naturally assumed, don't you a
game changer, someone who can give you but a fizz,
someone who can you know, like a d mac or
Boden Barred in his prime when he was he was
the best impact player in the world. Somebody come on
and yeah and show you some razzle dazzle. But you're

(01:12:49):
so right. Why can't an impact player be a guy
comes on and closes for you, like a you know,
like a pitcher in baseball. They bring them on to close.
Great point, Simon, call again, mate, good chatting to your
nineteen to two. We're back after this with James mcconey.

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Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
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they mean James mcconey, Hello, mate.

Speaker 7 (01:13:21):
How are you, Pony?

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
You're right, I'm good.

Speaker 16 (01:13:23):
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
What were your What were your takeaways after last night's test?

Speaker 7 (01:13:30):
Domino's and a little bit of hell Pizzay as well?

Speaker 17 (01:13:34):
Good?

Speaker 7 (01:13:34):
Yeah, And I wasn't doing the ordering. It was a
it was a friend. I don't know. We doubled, we
doubled up, but I think let's start with the positives. Though,
courtis that him? Wallace a Tt Caleb Clark. I mean
I feel like there's one two of them a sort
of coming of age, and I think Caleb's just reinvented himself,

(01:13:54):
right yep.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Yeah, Wallace to Tt. I love the way he plays,
you know, solving a problem for the All Blacks at
number six when you're not even really a number six.
I think he played it every game for the chief
certainly that from the start at number eight, didn't he
but he I just really like the way he goes
about things.

Speaker 7 (01:14:13):
Yeah, There's there's a stability to him, even though he
is an excitement machine machine at times. Just the way
he seems to own that position, which isn't the most
familiar for him at blindside physically impressive, dominates contact, but
just really seems like a solid option, you know, shades

(01:14:34):
of Jerome Caino. There's there's lots to like about Wallace.
The t t Courtez, though, I felt that everything he could,
did everything right. He finished off what should have been
one of the greatest tries of all time if it
wasn't for that forward pass, which was a fair call,
but I've seen worse passes just ignored. But again, the
Courtez just dominated on attack and defense. The hit by

(01:14:59):
Kroi and Betty. I think Caine mentioned that in stealing
most of my notes today. But one thing that Courtez,
who was set the tempo perfectly. I think he his
clearance was was next level, and I think that that
is why we saw those tries from the All Blacks.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
What about Damien McKenzie, Yeah, I've got.

Speaker 7 (01:15:20):
Him in my notes as well. Ponty, Yes, thank you
for that. Okay, let's just let's just rip off the
band aid. He won't be happy with that, will he
There were there were three or four tries left out there,
and and there were his name will be on a
couple of them. So the video session is going to
be a tough one for dmac. But I also agree

(01:15:42):
with Joe Schmidt, which was, you know, he creates so much,
would you really want to take that away when that's
kind of where you're at, where he puts fear into
the defense. Yeah, there were three passes in particular that
he'll want to have back. But I look back at
the World Cup Final last year and I thought our

(01:16:02):
biggest problem with the All Blacks is that we didn't
throw passes at the right time. So he was throwing
the passes they just went that great pony and then
to one of them he didn't need to spiral it.
The other one he just didn't need to backhand flick it.
So sometimes the easy option is to shovel it on.
You know, you don't need to put a little bit

(01:16:23):
of finesse on it. It just needs to be accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
I think the other thing that's being missed a little
bit is that in a game that the All Blacks
won by three points, he was perfect from the boot
five from five and there were some of those tries
were scored wide out.

Speaker 7 (01:16:39):
Honestly, I thought that the tries were brilliant, but then
the ones they left out there absolutely pulling your hair out,
coach killers as they call them. Look, the fact is
that the All Blacks have got a case of the
yips in the second half and in the final quarter.
It's a It is a choke. Really, there's no other

(01:17:01):
way to put it. And so they've got a remedy
it somehow. I don't know. Look, I think we're Bowden
coming back into that team, even though I thought Will
Jordan was great at fullback. He'll provide that stability, he'll
provide an extra kicking game. I mean, I've got no
problem with Boden moving into ten. I think he's a
great team that's been underrated for too long. You know,
will play over the year twice. But I still feel

(01:17:24):
like d Max should be on the field. That's my
feeling basically.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
All Right, A couple of other matters around. Did you
watch the Rooster's manly game last night?

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:17:34):
I did, and it's amazing how a team that looked
totally outclass last week by Penrith comes back and outclasses Manly,
who have got plenty of stars, although when I look around,
I mean they've got three Trouble of Itch brothers. I
mean that's so one family is providing a lot of
their team. They've got Matt Lodge, who I hate with
a passion, who who left the Warriors of the Lurch

(01:17:58):
is the home invasion guy. If people are wondering why
do I hate Matt Lodge is he broke into a
New York home and terrorize the family and it was
pretty much a violent chrome and he's ended up being
able to live his life and play Rugby League and
then rip off the Warriors. So I wasn't unhappy to

(01:18:18):
see Manly get eliminated because of that. But I did
notice that with the with the roosters there, you know
jose Joey Marnhu and Joseph Suili, they are both going
to rugby next year, so it's going to be a
very different team and I think Joey Marny won't take
long to get up to speed and be an option
for the All Blacks and midfield.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
We will watch the space. Hey, I've just I wanted
to ask you as well. I think it's in your
notes about show, he O'taney doing something that nobody in
Major League Baseball has done. I don't think ever. Fifty
home runs and fifty stolen bases in a single season.
It seems incredible that that doesn't happen very often, but

(01:19:01):
it's never happened before.

Speaker 7 (01:19:03):
Yeah, and he's an unlikely based stealer at six foot four,
like he's your height pony and running around trying to
steal bases like he's a little sprinter. So Shoe really
added that to his arsenal when he couldn't pitch this
year because he had some elbow ligament damage, so he thought,

(01:19:24):
oh well, I'll steal bases instead. Sets this incredible record.
He's up to fifty two home runs. Only Aaron Jones
of the New York Yankees is ahead of ahead of
him for home runs. He's just incredible. Some people saying,
is he the greatest athlete on the planet at the moment, Well,
it's it's tricky, but whatever he's doing, he's getting eyeballs

(01:19:46):
on the sport. He's probably worth his seven hundred million
Jewish dollar contracts.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
That my god, what is I mean?

Speaker 7 (01:19:55):
Yeah, it's another level. So look, if we do have
time to talk about cricket. All I'll say is, if
you've got a young cricketer who's got good hand eye coordination. Unfortunately,
this is just for boys at the moment, because that
that's where they get paid the big bucks in baseball.
Send them to baseball. Do not do not worry about
any ipl You can go to baseball. If they're that good,

(01:20:18):
get them over there and see what they can do.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Yeah, seven hundred, mel Hey, just on the cricket. I've
got much McClanahan after two to talk about the black
Caps because so let's not forget they go into day
four of their Test in a couple of hours time.
You wouldn't want to be chasing too many more, would
you that? At the moment's form Lanka two hundred ahead,
You wouldn't want to be chasing too much more, would you.

Speaker 7 (01:20:39):
No, And this is a big worry. I think that
Will O'Rourke's done, you know, everything he can really with
as a fast bowler. It's good to have that fair
factor back in. And look, I looked at the team.
It's actually quite an aging team this one. I feel
like the black Caps Test team is going to fall
off a cliff at some point because everyone apart from Ravender,

(01:21:00):
O'Rourke and Phillips are in their thirties, and some of
them well into their thirties, so came Leians and thirty four, Saldi,
thirty five, you know, even Daryl Mitchell is thirty three.
So there's a few selections. It's going to be an
interesting time. But I did see Paddles the great Sir
Richard Hadley say hands off, well, O, don't you dare

(01:21:21):
take him to the IPL. We want him to be
a Test bowler only. And I'm just thinking, I love
what you're saying. Paddles are serve pedals, but good luck
with that because he will get a lot of money
turning at him very soon.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Absolutely right. I just hope it doesn't go the Cole
Jamison way. Remember that he was so good IPL injured
hardly seen since. Yeah, I get what pedals are saying,
but yeah, the money's pretty eye watering. Hey, James, I
think that's all we have time for, unfortunately, mate, but
always great to chat to. Yeah, and and I like
the fact that you compared me, if only in height

(01:21:53):
to show. Hey, Otane, I like that you're the show.

Speaker 7 (01:21:56):
Hey, the big show. Hey, of New Zealand Radio mates,
so you enjoy that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Good on you mate. Thanks indeed, James mcconey part of
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News Talks EDB four to two. After two is mentioned
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Sri Lanka. Reached day yesterday for the Sri Lankan presidential
elections of all things, but back underway in a couple
of hours. So prospects for Day four black Caps Sri
Lanka with Mitch mcclenahan and Brandy Greg Alexander going to
join us running an eye over the two NRL elimination

(01:22:37):
finals and ahead to the preliminary finals. Is anybody stopping
Penrith or the storm?

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Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Two o seven is an hour left of Weekend Sport,
Then we'll hand over to the Weekend Collective hosted by
Tim Beveridge to take you through the next segment of
your Sunday. Quite a bit to do between now and
three o'clock though. A couple of yachting New Zealand sanctioned
crews are set to contest the Offshore Double Handed World
Championship in France next week. Going to check in with

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one of those teams our NRL preliminary finals locked in
the two elimination finals over the last two nights. Brandy Alexander,
Greg Alexander, a former Warrior's favorite and of course a
former Panthers legend and these days highly respected rugby league analysts,
going to join us this out to run an eye
over those cricket shortly and amongst all the rugby and

(01:23:46):
the fact that there was a race day yesterday and
the cricket almost forgot there was a Test going on.
But there is day four under weigh in about two
and a half hours in Gaul. Mitchell mcclanahan's part of
the commentary team over there. He's standing by to have
a chat to us about prospects for the rest of
this Test match and what he's seen from the team
so far, particularly will ow' rourke who's just been exceptional

(01:24:06):
for me to get eight wickets in the subcontinent, eight
of the what fourteen that New Zealand have got normally
of course very spin friendly over there, but will O'Rourke
is doing brilliantly. So some words on that from Mitchell
mcclenahan as well. Your cause and correspondence, of course, continued
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Big upset in the Rugby Championship in Argentina this morning

(01:24:49):
over the ball lost for us.

Speaker 27 (01:24:52):
They've got the job done in dramatic fashion, an unbelievable crowd,
an unbelievable Test match, trauma to the dad. The Rugby
Championship will be decided in mel Spray next weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Yeah, brilliant from the Pumas twenty nine twenty eight. They
beat the spring Box this morning closer to home and
the Bunnings end PC yesterday Northland, chalking up just their
second win of the season and a first over North
Harbor in ten years.

Speaker 17 (01:25:21):
This is the white pass out Hea to North and
taken out of here by Cory Evans.

Speaker 24 (01:25:25):
Tops a pass off to Jordan Trainer down the left wing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Games but fullback on the Ensie fight to pass base.

Speaker 18 (01:25:31):
We'll score the.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Try every yeah, the tiny far beating North Harbour forty
seven twenty four. Meantime a roller coaster in the Capitol.
They have plenty forcing golden point extra time with a
last minute penalty to make it twenty five all before
Wellington scored the match winning try.

Speaker 20 (01:25:47):
Barlie Higginson's on the left hand side shift takes it through.
Wellington are chasing. Can they get near the halfback? Preston
possibly gets there, Trys Torts while I was brilliantly chased by.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Kyle Preston thirty twenty five to the Lions, who goes
seven points clear at the top of the table. For
the meantime, the Breakers have started the new Australian National
Basketball League season with a victory and the Bullets.

Speaker 16 (01:26:12):
Need a miracle.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Smith Miner will step into it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
And the new deal with Rakers.

Speaker 22 (01:26:20):
Snatch victory from the jaws of the Vegle. They have
escaped from the homes fares with a w having Let
by twenty six points. They win ninety one to eighty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Yeah, they made hard work of it at the end,
but a wins A win to Ossie rules the AFL's
second preliminary final, the Brisbane Lions and Geelong Cats playing
out a thriller at the MCG, which was only decided
in the last couple of minutes.

Speaker 22 (01:26:50):
Superportant Clarence brel Astro the young superstar Eric gets it
back to Rhina.

Speaker 6 (01:26:56):
Don't have a.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Super goal, the large times are rupped.

Speaker 14 (01:27:06):
Fell out that cut through the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Eleven put martin.

Speaker 5 (01:27:12):
What fay five the time.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
A believable game. Terrific last night, with the Lions now
set to meet the Sydney Swans in the Grand Final
next weekend. Back at the G and the NRL, the
Roosters through to a preliminary final against the table topping
Melbourne Storm, beating Manly forty points to sixteen adds it
back to.

Speaker 6 (01:27:32):
Two Pernua little ball off the hit for Watson to Disco,
showing it to Disco.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
He's in once again on a milestone game four him
as he brings up two hundred and fifty in the NRL.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
That was vift each Teddy Here more on the NRL
this hour with Greg Alexander and to the Premier League.
Aston Villa have won a third straight game, beating Midlands
neighbour's Wolves three to one with a couple of Lake goals.
Tleman so lovely all.

Speaker 16 (01:28:05):
That past.

Speaker 20 (01:28:07):
As a chosas Dy the rest over again.

Speaker 16 (01:28:13):
I've got a lot of survey.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Turvis Wall allows Aston Villa up to third or they
stay third, but Liverpool back to the top for the
meantime a three mil win over Bournemouth, all three goals
in the first half. Personally as now as Livertool goes
for goal again, he's rather special to do with it

(01:28:35):
is told.

Speaker 27 (01:28:36):
Have actually played o' chain to the livertool lead see hill.

Speaker 16 (01:28:42):
And that was a quite focus finished weekends for.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
It on news talk to their b twelve minutes past two.
The black Caps, I think you'd say on the back
foot after three days of the opening cricket Test against
Sri Lanka in Gaul Sri Lanka two hundred and thirty
seven for four in their second innings. That's a lead
of two hundred and two runs with two days to play.
Will O'Rourke, has mentioned before, has been the best of
the New Zealand bowlers by quite some distance.

Speaker 26 (01:29:10):
Gone brilliant, Oh good, it was a delayed decision to
get that leg slip in place.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Edge gone.

Speaker 18 (01:29:21):
That's a big one night.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
New Zealand got bang, bang and bang yeah. Will I
Rock taking three of the four second innings wickets to
fall to have eight for the match so far. Yesterday
was a rest day for the Sri Lankan presidential elections.
Day four is underway in just over a couple of
hours time. Former Black Apps placement Mitch mcclenahan is part
of the commentary team in Gaul and he joins us. Now,

(01:29:46):
let's start with the positive, Mitch, and well, will I
Rock's the obvious one. What has impressed you most about
Willow rocks bowling in this Test match so far?

Speaker 6 (01:29:56):
Oh, betty, second wicket's first and foremost. It's sensational for
a fast baller to do what he's done in these conditions.
I know that they tried to make this wicket a
little bit flatter than they usually would here in gaul
because they've just come back from England, that three match
series against England where they won that last Test, and
they're a little bit concerned from a Schlankan point of
view that they weren't going to.

Speaker 10 (01:30:17):
Be used to their own conditions and that aided will.

Speaker 6 (01:30:20):
There was a little bit extra bounds, particularly from the
fourth end on day one, but what was amazing to
see was the amount of late movement he got off
the surface as well, just a little bit of swing
and when it swings laid into the surface, it keeps
on going. It reminds me a bit of Lockey Ferguson
with the white ball when he gets that new ball
that always keeps on coming back at the right hand,

(01:30:41):
and you know players like Angelo Matthews don't like it
on the back foot and he dominated straight away. So
that was impressive to see and I guess throughout it's
just the intent to keep on coming back.

Speaker 10 (01:30:52):
Look, he's not going to hit the same spot all
the time.

Speaker 6 (01:30:54):
He's onely young in his cricketing career and there's going
to be a few way with deliveries, but in between
that there's some seriously, seriously good cricketing deliveries at this level.
So the skills he's possessed and his ability to also
just have those conversations with Tim.

Speaker 28 (01:31:10):
Saudi and you can see how they're working to get
it to.

Speaker 10 (01:31:12):
Try and figure guys out and set fields.

Speaker 6 (01:31:15):
As we saw late last night with that catch Tom
Latham at leg gulling, just little plans like that.

Speaker 10 (01:31:21):
It looks like he's learning very quickly on the job.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
He's bold just twelve overs in the second innings. The
second innings has had seventy two overs so far. Is
this good management of Willow Rourke or is this under
use of Willow Rourke.

Speaker 10 (01:31:36):
Yeah, it's difficult, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
Because he is only three Test matches into his career.
He's coming back from an injury we pulled up in
our last Test against all that Test in Wellington against Australia.
So you're obviously concerned that the workload at this level
maybe a little bit step too far, particularly in these conditions.
It's hot, it's hot out there, the grounds soft, so

(01:31:58):
it is difficult for fast bowlers. Look, I think they've
probably used them pretty well there was a period yesterday
in particular where the game just started to meander along
and go at the pace that the Schlankans like to
play their Test cricket. They don't want to be rush,
They just want to knock it around and take it
pretty cruisy. And there might have been an argument to

(01:32:18):
bring him back maybe five or six overs earlier, to
try and spark the New Zealand bowling innings into a
bit of light, because at the moment he's the only
one who really seems to lift the energy.

Speaker 28 (01:32:29):
On the park.

Speaker 6 (01:32:30):
So yeah, it's a difficult one because you've also got
to remember how he's gone in this Test match in particular.
You are probably going to want him to be playing
almost all of those Test matches against India as well,
So it might be a little bit a look to
the future, but you've got to win this Test match
right now, so at the moment he's probably.

Speaker 10 (01:32:49):
Your biggest threat.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Between lunch and tea on Day three, Sri Lanka added
one hundred and two runs and thirty one overs, didn't
lose a wicket. How crucial a session might might that be?
And was that a session perhaps the black Caps could
have done more?

Speaker 6 (01:33:06):
Yeah, It probably comes back to exactly that they probably
did need to use Will O'Rourke and a couple of
extra spells, whether it's two overs, just to try and
increase that intensity. Yeap Erani and Chundermel better beautifully didn't
they So they weren't.

Speaker 10 (01:33:20):
Put under a lot of pressure. Maybe because they were
actually on the aggressive side.

Speaker 6 (01:33:25):
They actually didn't let the lights of Glenn Phillips or
Ajs Battel really settle and they really put them under
pressure knowing that spin was going to be a threat.
I thought Connor Rudner was exceptional the way he reverse
swept out of the raft and was able then to
rock back and had against the spin to those gaps
and also use the sweep shot effectively.

Speaker 28 (01:33:48):
So yeah, it's one of.

Speaker 6 (01:33:49):
Those things if you're trying to bowl in an area
and the batsman doesn't let you and they have the
skills to be able to negate your plans, it can
be of a challenging to find the hole in the armory.
And for Schlanka, yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:34:01):
I think that session has put them in a really
good position. But before that, I.

Speaker 6 (01:34:05):
Think New Zealand let them selves down. They had a really,
really good opportunity Overnight to come out and put a
massive lead on the board, and they just looked like
they were getting some momentum. And then Tom Blundell got
caught on the gloves and then Darryl Mitchell was so
slow off the mark. I don't know if it looked
like that on the TV, but was standing on his
back and as really sloughed the mark and it was

(01:34:27):
an unnecessary runout in all honesty should have been an
easy single. So that was probably the turning points. And
once you get a couple of spinners who are very
good in these conditions, they seem to be able to
mop up the tail real quick.

Speaker 18 (01:34:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
You look at New Zealand's first and scorecard match. Everybody
in the top seven got to double figures to varying degrees.
They all look good, but all failed to kick on
Tom Latham's seventy the top score. How much do you
reckon that's going to hurt New Zealand. They as they
try to seek victory in this Test match or even now,
try to make sure that they're not on the losing
end of it.

Speaker 6 (01:35:01):
Yeah, look, I think they really there. With the conditions
the way they were, they should have been able to
push for four four hundred plus, and you know, you
saw how Glenn Phillips came.

Speaker 28 (01:35:10):
Out and beat it at the end. If if you
had a batting partner there with him.

Speaker 10 (01:35:13):
You know, it could have been a massive score. And
I think Tom Latham and Kane will be particularly disappointed
with themselves.

Speaker 6 (01:35:21):
They've done all the hard work and at that point
that partnership that they had, they were dominating and the
same kind of energy we saw from New Zealand late
last night where they just didn't look like that felt
that they were in the game. Schlanka had lost.

Speaker 28 (01:35:36):
All hope when they were batting together.

Speaker 6 (01:35:38):
So yeah, probably a couple of missed opportunities. I mean,
Cain Williamson's been so great lately, hasn't he. I think
that's the tenth time he's gone past fifty since December
twenty twenty two, and it's only only the second time
he's failed to convert it to one hundred.

Speaker 28 (01:35:52):
And I mean we have high, high expectations of him only.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Indeed, indeed, and he continues to deliver on them. What
about days four and five?

Speaker 23 (01:36:00):
Much?

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
How much is this wicket turning? And the second part
is how much is chasable in the fourth innings.

Speaker 10 (01:36:08):
Yeah, really good question.

Speaker 6 (01:36:10):
The wicket's definitely turning far more out of willow Rook's footmarks,
so you would have seen that the grief turn yesterday.

Speaker 28 (01:36:16):
Was another degree in half more than it was on
Day one and.

Speaker 6 (01:36:20):
Day two, but that was mainly due to the fact
that New Zealand bowlers, as tell particular, was trying to
get it out of the footmarks.

Speaker 10 (01:36:27):
So that's going to be challenging the score runs.

Speaker 6 (01:36:29):
If they really try and and dry up the scoring
in the last innings, I think day four it would
be really interesting to see how New Zealand come out.
A really positive thing about this Test match is that
Day four is actually going to be on day five
and it's going to give our bowl it's an extra
day to have a bit of a rest and come
out far and the new balls not far away, so

(01:36:52):
that's going to be.

Speaker 10 (01:36:53):
Huge as well.

Speaker 6 (01:36:53):
The new balls only ate overs away, so I'm hoping
with the day off a new ball early in the
session on Day four, effectively day five, that New Zealand
will be able to break open this partnership. And to
be honest, from all the numbers that they throw out

(01:37:14):
in the combox. The SriLankan commentators on Worth said that
shelank has probably almost got enough, so they're going to
have to make quick work of trying to get those
wickets early because on Gaul, what they say is that
on day four there's okay up until lunch to bat well.

Speaker 28 (01:37:32):
Once after that day four and day five it really does.

Speaker 6 (01:37:35):
Start to crumble intoteriort and it's very difficult to score uns.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
All Right, challenging couple of days ahead for the Black Apps.
Much great to get your analysis, loving your commentary over there, mate,
Thanks for taking the time for a chat.

Speaker 28 (01:37:45):
Got a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
It's Mitchell mcclenahan, part of the commentary team that's bringing
coverage of this Test match from Gaul. Day four after
the rest day yesterday underway. At four thirty this afternoon
New Zealand Times, Sri Lanka resumed two thirty seven for
four in their second innings. That is a lead of
two hundred and two at the crease. Angelo Matthews beaten

(01:38:06):
on thirty four and Danajea to silver, the captain also
there on thirty four, not out a lead of two
hundred and two. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see Shri
Lanka's approach. I guess they'll obviously want to win the
Test match. How long do they need to leave themselves
it'll continue to turn. As you heard Mitchell mclenahan say,
I guess New Zealand can take the decision out of

(01:38:28):
Schrilanka's hands by just running through them and trying to
bowl them out for you know, for not too many more. Yeah,
would say a lot of Shrilankan commentators believe they have
enough already that two hundreds too much to chase. But
I think you'd be pretty gutsy to pull out with
successions of cricket left and only two hundred runs to defend.

(01:38:48):
Get the feeling Shrilanka will try at least to get
through to lunch and then probably the middle part of
the second session and maybe then think about pulling pin
give themselves four in a bit sessions to bowl New
Zealand out and take a one der lead in this
two match series. We wait and see updating Live Sport
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(01:39:31):
on the NRL Final series. We have our final four,
the elimination finals over the last couple of nights who
got rid of a couple of teams. Only four remain,
so can either of the two who got through in
the last couple of nights challenge the two who are
waiting for them in the preliminary finals. The Storm and
the Panthers look far and ourway the best two sites.
Could the Roosters or the Sharks have something to say?

(01:39:54):
Greg Alexander joining us after this on Weekend Sport Don't get.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
Caught off side eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekend Sports
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Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Inb to twenty six, we've got our Final four and
the NRL. The Roosters through to a preliminary final against
the Storm, knocking Manly out with a forty sixteen winning
Sydney last night.

Speaker 22 (01:40:18):
Here he kicks out why Dominique young Joseph Mardu flying
and he serves it up on a silver platter for
the big Englishman.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Dominic Ya after back to the aerial skill of Joseph Mardhu.
There that was the final try for the Roosters forty
points to sixteen. Former Warriors and Penrith halfback and now
highly respected rugby league analyst Greg Alexander was in the
commentary box last night. He joins us now forty sixteen,
feels very comfortable on the scoreboard. Greg, Do you think
it was a fair reflection?

Speaker 29 (01:40:49):
It probably was, Jason, Yes, good to chat twenty twenty
to four at halftime, manly grabbing that try right on
the stroke of the break where Sherry Evans Chip kicked
it for homali Ola Kauatu and they needed something grub
and Garrick a blooder of a night missing tackles, missed
that kick. They trailed twenty to four at half time. Hindsight,

(01:41:12):
you know, and you never because there's the ability of
sides to score points so quickly these days, and we've
seen games this year where you know, there was only
a matter of minutes left. But teams have the ability
to score points in a bunch. You never write a
team off. But boy, if I was going to write
a team off, I would have been writing Manly off
at halftime. Just had to score first coming into the

(01:41:34):
second half.

Speaker 18 (01:41:35):
They didn't. The Roosters scored off.

Speaker 29 (01:41:36):
The back of an error that Manly made or a
challenge that was unsuccessful, and that was it. Once the
Rooster scored the first try on the second half, I
thought it was all over. So the score Jason did reflect.
I thought the dominance of the Roosters.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Quite astonishing start to the game. Greg, I don't think
I've ever seen it. Two head knocks from the first
two plays of the game saw two of the Seagulls
starters forced off. How much of effect was that in hindsight.

Speaker 29 (01:42:05):
Yeah, I think it was, even though they did recover
and they defended pretty courageously for the you know, following
ten minutes.

Speaker 18 (01:42:14):
But the automatically the Roosters were on the front foot.

Speaker 29 (01:42:18):
Kohler off for the game just went in and we've
seen it happening kickoffs this year or not for a
while now. But there seemed to be a spate of
head knocks off kickoffs, and I remember Anzac Day where
Moses Souley against the Roosters was knocked out in the
first play exactly the same manner coming out of the

(01:42:38):
line try to make a tackle was gone.

Speaker 18 (01:42:40):
And then the Dragons never recovered from that.

Speaker 29 (01:42:42):
And even though Ben Traboyevich is a good replacement for
you know, he's not Tallu Kohler, and I think that
really rocked them to lose Jake. He came back on
but to start the game, and I remember Warren Smith
calling with him. He said, twenty we are only twenty
three seconds into the game and Manly have already lost
two players. So a tough way to start the night,

(01:43:06):
that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Indeed, James to disco for the Roosters celebrating is two
hundred and fiftieth NRL game. Couple of tries he set
up to more ran four a game high one hundred
and eighty three meters. How integral is James to disco
to the Roosters.

Speaker 29 (01:43:21):
Vital, absolutely vital. You know when you when you look
at their matchup next week against the Melbourne Storm, I've
got you know, I've got a rabid Rooster's mate that
texts me this morning and said, now now we'll get beaten.
You know, it's great to win last night, but now

(01:43:41):
we're playing the storm, we get beaten. I said, well,
you know, I said, don't don't, don't throw. There is
a glimmer of hope and James to Desco, is that
glimmer because when you have a look at the key players,
that the ones that handle the ball the most. When
you compare, I said, play for player, you might have
the Melbourne Storm, but it's the six, seven and nine
that it makes the difference to the to the you know,

(01:44:05):
between the two sides. The roosters in Melbourne drum Us,
Camera Monster, Harry Grant just have you know Camera Monster
has been out a lot, but he's been back for
now six weeks and looks good. To Desco, is the
difference for the roosters. You know, he's that one that
stands out. If Teddy plays well, well, the roosters are

(01:44:25):
a chance. A lot has got to happen around them.
But James has had a fantastic season. You know, I
went through a bit of heartache last year, tough year
last year for him, and form probably dipped a little bit.
But boy, he's been setting the standard for a long
time to Desko and he's back at that this year,
which is which is great to see, and he'll extend

(01:44:46):
his time at the Roosters and you know, but he's
had a marvelous season and that was confirmed last night.

Speaker 18 (01:44:52):
He was their best player.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Yeah, I can understand your mate trepidation.

Speaker 18 (01:44:55):
Tho.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
I think they've lost ten of their last eleven against
the Storm, so he's probably been through a bit of
pain and it may well continue on Friday night. The
other game over the weekend, Shark's twenty six Cowboy eighteen
twenty four doll at halftime. This was the Nicko Hines,
Braiden Trundle Show and many respects. How on price were
you were there? And the Sharks in general?

Speaker 29 (01:45:14):
Oh yeah, look, I think you know, the Sharks came
under fire through the week and they had to answer
a lot of questions. And I don't think I've heard
more commentary around a single player on how he should
play the game.

Speaker 18 (01:45:27):
And that's Nico off the back of you know, comments
made I made them.

Speaker 29 (01:45:32):
I said, look, you know, I don't think if I
was picking the side, I don't know, the Sharks won't
do it. You know, I probably go with Dan Atkinson
instead of Nicko. I just think I thought he was
struggling a bit, but I Braiden Trindle was and Nico
played his role. But Braiden Trindle was a nine out
of ten at half and he played the half back role,

(01:45:55):
he played the seventh role, he kicked, He did it all.
Braiden Trendle scored try, set up tries, was very good
for them, and the Sharks were good and you know
that was that was. I thought that game, more than
the other game was in the balance. The Cowboys great
attacking side, but very execution on Friday night was poor

(01:46:17):
from the Cowboys and twenty four Neil the game was done.
There was you know, a sniff from the Cowboys in
the second half where they scored a couple of quick tries,
but Shark's way too good and pretty impressive. And I
thought they're forwards, you know, Trendle and Hines don't get
to do what they do with the forwards don't do

(01:46:37):
their part.

Speaker 18 (01:46:38):
And I thought the Cronulla forwards, who have.

Speaker 29 (01:46:40):
Been a bit hit and miss over the last six
weeks some weeks have been good and really stood up
and later platform. On other occasions they've been beaten well
in the middle. So forwards were good and on the
back of that Trendle and Hines complimented the you know,
the platform that was laid and took advantage of it.
So you know, we've got the top four sides now

(01:47:03):
in the last two games.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Yeah, and so the Sharks were ward. Is a preliminary
final against the Panthers. Can you see them pushing Penrith?

Speaker 18 (01:47:15):
Yeah. Anything can happen in a big game, you know.

Speaker 29 (01:47:17):
And I think the fact that the Sharks now have
that monkey off their back, and that was a lot
that was spoken, you know, not just about Nicko, but
about Cronulla in general and about their finals form and
the fact that they just since twenty eighteen just haven't been.

Speaker 18 (01:47:30):
Able to win a final.

Speaker 29 (01:47:32):
That was hanging around their neck coming into that game
against the Sharks on Friday night. The fact that they've
been able to get it done and so emphatically with
a very good perform, you know, opening forty minutes to
lead twenty four nil.

Speaker 18 (01:47:46):
They've got to feel confident.

Speaker 29 (01:47:48):
Although they haven't had much joy against the Panthers, they've
got to feel confident about their own form. And that's
all they need to worry about. Worry about themselves and
you know the rest will take care of itself. So
of course there's hope. But Melbourne and Penrith both of
to be favorites coming into these two prelim finals.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
And if we do get to a likely outcome of
a grand final with Penrith up against Melbourne without knowing
whether there's going to be injuries of course next weekend
or anything like that, Greg, how do you separate these two?
Can you separate these two?

Speaker 10 (01:48:25):
No?

Speaker 16 (01:48:25):
Very tight?

Speaker 29 (01:48:26):
And they only played each other a few weeks ago
at Penrith and that was the night that Nathan Cleary
did that shoulder. But Melbourne started well, they see, and
that wasn't the only time they played each other back
in round one and that score line was eight to nil.
So they are able to stop Penrith scoring that night.

(01:48:47):
And granted it is very early in the season, but
I think defensively they they can match up against Penrith's attack.
That's the key for Melbourne, the fact that they'll just
be able. They seem to be able to defend Penrith
very well. So they are that is, they're the two
best teams the Store won the Minor Premiership by six points.

(01:49:08):
Clearly the best and most consistent team throughout the year,
and I would say Penrith. Penrith were under a little
bit of pressure coming into that Rooster's final Week one
out there at Penrith Park which it was called that night,
because their form had been scratchy. Nathan Cleary hadn't been

(01:49:28):
on the field. Penrith's form had been a little bit scratchy.
Couple of losses, they went down to the Raiders, they
got beaten by the Melbourne Storm. That really was you know,
they turned back the clock to last year with that
first half against the Roosters. Can they continue that? You'd
have to think they're a good chance of doing that.

(01:49:49):
So trying to predict what's going to happen against them
in the Melbourne Storm in the Grand Final was very hot.
I will say that the Storm probably they coasted through
the year and was still winning but not playing great,
but still winning. And you're going, well, boy, Melbourne is
still winning. They're not really playing well. Some of their
even their better place out of form. One player that's
held his form all the year is Jerome Hughes. But

(01:50:11):
I think since Monster's return. They are probably the big
improvers over the last six weeks. I think the Storm
have looked better than they ever have, you know throughout
the year. Now that Monster's back in the lineup, and
all those bits and pieces around the key men Harry
Grant and Jerome Hughes, who had sort of held the

(01:50:32):
fort for most of the year, where Papenhaus has been
in and out and back and Monster's been in and out,
are now back. But all those pieces around Hughes and
Grant look so much better. Jack Howorth, Will Warbrick, Ellie Katowa.

Speaker 18 (01:50:48):
You know, the list goes on.

Speaker 29 (01:50:49):
The players, Trentley Aero. The players that have looked great
over the last six weeks put Melbourne in a very
good position. So I'm not going to declare it, Jason.

Speaker 18 (01:50:59):
I would. I'd love to say Penrith, but I won't
go the early crow.

Speaker 16 (01:51:03):
I'll just.

Speaker 18 (01:51:05):
Keep a close to me chest.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
Yeah, good man, Greg, I'll see you had Shawn Johnson
on your studio panel over the weekend. You reckon he's
got a future behind the mic.

Speaker 16 (01:51:13):
Yeah he was so.

Speaker 29 (01:51:14):
Good, Yeah, so good, and no surprise having you know,
Sewn's done a couple of stints over at Fox but
a long time ago. But whenever you see Sean get interviewed,
he's you know, he speaks, he speaks so well and
he's very current. It was great to have him on

(01:51:35):
the panel and get an insight into his thoughts on
the players and the teams.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
Fantastic good man, Greg, Great to chat league with you
as always, Thanks for taking the time.

Speaker 16 (01:51:47):
Good only jasp all the best mate.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
Yes that's Greg Alexander joining us out of Australia with
Week two of the finals and the books Week three.
Next weekend is the preliminary Final starting on Friday night
when it's the Roosters up against the Melbourne Storm and
then on Saturday evening the Sharks try and beat Penrith.
It just feels as though it's Penrith Dorm coming in
the Grand Final in a couple of weeks, but a
lot can happen in knockout footy twenty two away from three.

(01:52:11):
When we come back, we go sailing on Weekend Sport.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Talksb eighteen away from three to two Yachting New Zealand
sanctioned cruise are set to contest the Offshore Double Handed
World Championship in France later in the month. Twenty two
mixed gender crews from sixteen countries will chase global glory
on identical craft. One of the two crews from New
Zealand consists of Andrew Hall and Sandra Bees, representing Auckland's

(01:52:48):
Richmond Yacht Club. Andrew and Sandra are both with us
now on Weekend Sport. Andrew tell us about the challenge
that awaits you over the next couple of weeks or so.

Speaker 11 (01:52:58):
I think we've got a pretty reasonable sort of challenge.
We've got a fleet that is very well established, very
good sailors out there, and we just we just got
to get in there and give it a good old
Kiwi nudge, you know, and get on with the job.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
That's the spirit. Now, let's go onto the nuts and
bolts of what you'll be doing sand Yes, I've read
it here. You'll be in one of two eleven boat
fields sailing a twelve hour overnight race. The top five
and each go through to a forty eight hour final.
Now that sounds hard to me. How challenging is it?

Speaker 30 (01:53:33):
It'd be pretty challenging.

Speaker 10 (01:53:35):
I have to admit.

Speaker 30 (01:53:36):
We start the race at four o'clock in the afternoon,
so we'll have about three and a half hours a
daylight and then the rest of it will be night.

Speaker 7 (01:53:44):
So we're in a boat we don't.

Speaker 30 (01:53:45):
Really know, and waters we don't really know, and in
the dark. So add all those things together and it'll
be you know, it'll be fairly challenging. I bet it's
challenging at the best of times.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
And de well tell us about the boats, Andrew, they're identical?
Are they supplied to you? How does that work?

Speaker 11 (01:54:05):
Yes, the pump but every runs in the same boat
that we all. We're all leasing the boats for the regatta,
and it's very very tight. We're not allowed to take
a lot of extra gear. I think we've got one
extra sheet that we use, which is a rope. We're

(01:54:26):
allowed one extra snatch block and we all have to
take our own navigation gear and that's really it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
And we're in so to understand that you didn't have
one of these boats to train on back here in
New Zealand, So how have you gone about preparing?

Speaker 30 (01:54:42):
Well, actually we've had some fantastic support from the Richmond
Yacht Club members if I can give them a bit
of a shout out. We've got Andrew Benton who lent
us in this and helped us train. We've got Richard
Lindbrick who helped us train on cool change his boat,
and Tony mcloy which was on monotone and he also

(01:55:03):
did the same. He did a lot of Richard and
Tony did a lot of coat.

Speaker 7 (01:55:06):
She has spent a lot of hours with me.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
And when you get there, Andrew, will you have more
training time? Will you get to train on the boat
that you'll be using during racing.

Speaker 11 (01:55:17):
Yeah, we've we've leased an extra three days of practice
or training time that will We'll get in there and
they'll be fairly solid days for us went out on
the water. Maybe maybe some nights as well.

Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
What are the specific challenges, Andrew, will stay with you
of sailing a boat of this type?

Speaker 11 (01:55:39):
Well, I guess the big nine for us is that
we haven't sailed one before. You know, sailing is sailing,
but every boat has its little idiosyncrasy, So you know
that in those three days that we're up there, we're
going to be really trying to get to know the boats.
Some of these, this particular boat was launched last November

(01:56:00):
and some of the sailors that we're going to be
sailing against have been sailing them so that time.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
But not you guys. So this is going to be
not I wouldn't say a baptism of fire, Sandra necessarily,
but I mean, do you feel as though you're you're
in contention to well, I guess to progress through to
the final for example.

Speaker 30 (01:56:22):
I haven't say yes, otherwise what are we going for?

Speaker 18 (01:56:24):
True?

Speaker 30 (01:56:25):
Yes, true, yeah, yeah, I think we've prepared enough. I
did actually forget to mention Allen Giddy's He's also lent
us his boat Chira. So we've had quite a bit
of support and we've we've done as much as we
can and hopefully we'll get to know that the asyncrasies
of the boat up there in the three days.

Speaker 25 (01:56:43):
That we have for training only enough.

Speaker 11 (01:56:45):
We've we were just having this conversation last night, and
for the time that we've had since since we were
endorsed by Yachting New Zealand, we have. I think we've
done them the most that we could possibly do. Maybe
it's two things that we might change in our training,
but you know, we we've really given it a solid

(01:57:06):
push for the last three months.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
That's the way, Sandra. You're an experienced sailor, but as
I understand that this has been a bit more of
a crash course for you.

Speaker 4 (01:57:13):
Is that right?

Speaker 7 (01:57:15):
Very much so.

Speaker 30 (01:57:16):
Whilst I've been sailing for a while, I've not been
doing a lot of double handed or two handed sailing,
and not really in that two handed racing, which is
and it's a it's and this the worlds are a
level up.

Speaker 25 (01:57:30):
You know.

Speaker 30 (01:57:31):
A lot of the sailing that I do, it's it's
nice to win or nice to be in the in
the top play things, but it's more casual and a
bit more fun. This is definitely a level up.

Speaker 2 (01:57:44):
Just so we're across the terminology and now listeners are
clear here that when you say two handed that basically
means just the two of you on the boat rather
than a bigger crew.

Speaker 11 (01:57:52):
Yep, yeah, that's correct, And I think you know so
that the listeners understand on fully crowed crew boats, most
of the crew just do one job, whereas we have
to do it all and in fact getting through to
the final, the qualifying or the elimination race, we end

(01:58:20):
up it's going to be like a two handed race.
The final is a longer race, that's a forty eight
hour race, and it becomes like a solo tag team
when you're sailing, so basically a lot of the time
you're staying the boat by yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
Yeah, I was going to say forty eight hours. Yeah,
so what you just so you just take turns and
the other one tries to get up asleep. Is that
how it works?

Speaker 4 (01:58:39):
You need got to have a kip at some stage.

Speaker 30 (01:58:42):
Indeed, indeed, even the twelve hour race is looking like
it's going to be about an eighteen nineteen hour race
because they're going to start us. It's one hundred nautical miles,
so it's likely to be a lot longer than twelve hours.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
It just seems like such a brilliant challenge. As you're
saying the way you've outlined it. There you just but
the two of you together for some times and by
yourselves for others. Have basically sail the thing by yourselves.
That's how it works pretty much.

Speaker 11 (01:59:11):
Yes, going to be pretty disciplined in what you're doing,
and they're out.

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
There understand you're also using this campaign to launch out
sale IQ Racing. Andrew tell us about that.

Speaker 11 (01:59:21):
Yep, we we've It's been a dream of mine for
a while, but we put put the team together, started
to think about it and put the team together a
little while ago. Where where we've been focusing on a
canton keel thirty eight foot that we can we can
use in a lot of international offsure rationing. That's that's

(01:59:43):
in build at the moment and we're just working away
through to some other sailing after this as well.

Speaker 2 (01:59:48):
Yeah, what what is?

Speaker 10 (01:59:49):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:59:49):
What is beyond this?

Speaker 10 (01:59:50):
Have you have?

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
You got your sights set on on similar races in
the future or maybe slightly different ones. I saw the
Sydney Hobart perhaps mentioned as a as an ambition, a
lifelong ambition for you.

Speaker 11 (02:00:02):
I've been Yeah, I've had a I've had a crack
at it with some Australian crew and we didn't finish.
So yes, that's that's on my bucket list to take off.
Also on the bucket lists is to do the I've
been a solo sailor for for a number of years
and to do the solo trans Tasment.

Speaker 4 (02:00:23):
I'd really like to do that.

Speaker 16 (02:00:25):
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:00:25):
Sandra is it crewe that the two of you met
on a boat. Yes, very much, So you got to
tell us that story.

Speaker 30 (02:00:35):
Well it was, it was well, it was six six
and a half years ago now and a friend of mine,
another Andrew, He had a boat, beautiful boat called Margaritaville,
and he caught up with me and said, why don't
you come out for a bit of bit of sailing,
And I thought, oh, that sounds lovely.

Speaker 11 (02:00:51):
It's sort of like I had.

Speaker 30 (02:00:53):
Visions of swaning around with the chardonnais and enjoying myself.
Didn't quite work out that way. The racing side of
it's a little bit more physical than I expected. But
one of the evening and Andrew came on the boat
and I thought he was on the main sheet, and
he was pretty clever, and I was amazed at how

(02:01:13):
well he could read the wind, and I thought he
had some sort of special powers. And he had very
nice eyes. He still has nice eyes, so.

Speaker 11 (02:01:24):
I think.

Speaker 30 (02:01:26):
Then he jumped off the boat, so I thought, well
that was a quick introduction and a goodbye. And then
a couple of weeks later he was back on the boat.
And then after that we had a drink after the race,
and then that was it. Really we've sort of been
together ever since.

Speaker 16 (02:01:43):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:44):
What a great story.

Speaker 23 (02:01:45):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:46):
See, I don't know whether my marriage would survive the
type of thing that you guys are about to embark on.
What is the on water relationship like? Does it ever
get tested or are you just well aware of what
you both need to do inside this sailing relationship and
your relationship in general.

Speaker 11 (02:02:03):
At point we'll tell you when we get back.

Speaker 2 (02:02:07):
It'll be a good test for you both. That'd be great.

Speaker 5 (02:02:10):
It's fair to.

Speaker 30 (02:02:11):
Say that there is a bit of yelling at times,
and there's a bit of backwards and forwards, but mostly
once we walk off the boat, it stays on the boat.

Speaker 4 (02:02:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:02:19):
In fact, we were doing a training training session out
around the Hurreka golf at night and we had some
guys ghosting us around in another boat, and we must
have thought around one of the one of the turning
points around one of the islands, they must have thought
we were.

Speaker 25 (02:02:34):
Going to kill each other.

Speaker 11 (02:02:35):
But you know, so we can be a little bit
passionate from time to time about what's going on on
the boat.

Speaker 16 (02:02:42):
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
Well, I know it's all coming from a good place.
And look, we just can't wait to see how you
go over there. Very exciting for you and in the
start of what hopefully for sari Q Rayson will be
a long and illustrious future and Sandra a delight to
talk to you both all the best. We can't wait
to see how it goes for you.

Speaker 11 (02:03:00):
Thanks Brain, Thanks a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
That's Andrew Hall and Sandra Bees one of two New
Zealand crews about to test the Offshore Double Handed World
Championship in France. They are underway next week eight to
three News Talks dB.

Speaker 1 (02:03:14):
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Speaker 2 (02:03:22):
Four and a half away from three. That's us for
Weekend Sport for another Sunday and another weekend. Tim Beverage
on your radio after three o'clock for the next part
of your Sunday with the Sunday edition of the Weekend Collective.
Thanks for listening in this afternoon. Thanks for taking part
on the show if that's what you decided to do.
Huge thanks to Libby for producing the show across the
weekend and for manning the folks and doing all the

(02:03:43):
tough stuff today. Thanks Libby, I appreciate you to jumping
on board and Andy's absence. I think he's back next week.
I guess we'll find out song to take us out today.
Andrea Bicicelli, Italian ten or celebrating a birthday today. He's
sixty six years of age. Lost his sight when he
was hitting the in the eye by a football at
the age of twelve. I didn't know that, but doesn't

(02:04:05):
seem to have held him back in two of his
incredible singing career. So here is Birthday Boy, Andrea Bicelli
with Sarah Brightman. Time to say goodbye, which it is.
See you next week.

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Stuff You Should Know