November 23, 2024 • 8 mins
The All Blacks have ended their northern tour on a high note - overcoming adverse weather and questionable choices to beat Italy.
The team beat the Italians 29-11 in their final rugby test of the year in Turin.
Former All Black Paul Miller joined Piney to unpack the 'messy performance by the New Zealand side.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from newstorgs EDB. The biggest things in sport are on
Weekend Sport with Jason Fine and GJ. Gunnomes, New Zealand's
most trusted home builder news Dogs EDB roy God scripts up,
it's opened up cam re Guard. Then he goes, I
(00:27):
bet how a scout about the All Blacks have their.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
First Yeah, that was first try of the evening in
Churin for cam roy Guard. Let's bring in former All
Blacks number eight and now rugby commentator and analyst Paul Miller.
Paul is a bit of a full circle moment. You're
in the expert comments seat for Test one of the
year when the All Blacks beat England sixteen fifteen and
Dunedin fourteen test later. You're back. Let's start with this
(00:50):
test match. What was your overall assessment of what you
saw this morning?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Oh, y untidy mess seed, but will credit to the
Italian team, very very good in terms of the dominance
at the rock area. The actually slowed down the ball
for the All Blecks. The All Blacks couldn't get any
continuity away, So yeah, it was it was it was
kind of a crash and a bash, but limited space
(01:16):
and limited opportunities. It was you know, those fortuitous events.
How obviously cam Rouygar got his try and then obviously
boat and bear it at the end. But all in all,
I just thought it was very a very untidy game
from the All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Second tier teams. Paul like Italy will always lift their
game right against the All Blacks. They always will do.
Do you need to plan more specifically for teams to
do that in test matches like this.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yes, definitely do. What it shows though also is beliefs
that these I guess you know, so called secondary of
teams like Italy are seeing the teams like the Ireland
of France obviously England as well with who the All
Backs played on that Northern tour. But it's the belief
that these teams now have showing you know that my
(02:01):
you know, possible weaknesses the All Blacks do have and
been able to have a belief that you know, All
Blacks an as dominant as what they were and now
we can actually you know, not just play to perform well,
but play to perform and win at the end of it.
So it's given these you know, these Tier two teams,
you know, a lot of encouragement that you know, when
they do play, they're going to be playing at their
(02:22):
top level. So yeah, it's grateful world Rugby.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh I know, look, without question, I think we all
want competitive Test matches week in week out. But given
the fact the All Blacks named a full strength team
for this, was this a missed chance to lay down
a marker at the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I mean, it was surprising that yet Razer did go
with obviously an established Tests side. I would have thought
he would have brought in a couple of the you know,
the New Zealand and fifteen like obviously broad in Peter
Lackeye first a bit earlier, but obviously playing you know,
a privilege to Sam Kay's last Test match in the
all Back Jersey, but very very toping that he started.
(02:58):
But you know, yeah, you're right, I mean it could
have he could have brought in the likes of Ruven Love,
the pair of feeders, you know, so maybe just sort
of blooded them. And but you know, given that, you know,
the initial test lineup, I would have thought they would
have played a lot better than what they did.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
A couple of Yellow Cants this morning. That makes eleven
for the season. Is that a concerning number.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It's yes and no. Concerning that, it seems to be
quite a continued theme with the All Blacks. You know,
that's and that's student's basically discipline, but also it's the
scrutiny that's involved. Now. I mean, you know every sort
of ten to fifteen minutes that the dmos get involved,
(03:43):
the sideline touches get involved, so you know, that's something
else that maybe may have to be looked at. And
that just sort of created that stop starting sort of
game for the All Blacks. And they weren't be able,
they weren't able to get into the rhythm as such.
So but again it comes back to the Italian has
been ruthless on defense, you know, slowing that ball down.
But you're right, Piney, it's it's something that I think
(04:03):
world regnus to look at. Otherwise you know you're going
to get disgruntled listeners as well as viewers.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Indeed, well, let's zoom out of it now, as I say,
you said alongside Elliot Smith in the first test of
the year against England and Dunedin. Here we are now
fourteen tests in the books. How do you assess twenty
twenty four for the All.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Blacks I think for the terms of how they tested
the depth of their players, and also you know you're
leading contenders as well, like obviously Scott Barrett and the
front rowers. Of course they're pretty much established now with
the mighty Pasilio Tossi as well and obviously eating the
(04:44):
group like Lomax and the likes, very settled lineup. Again,
it was great to see the bluddy of the other
players like Sam Derry for example, coming in there at Locke,
Josh Lord obviously, and then and then the light's giving
in these other players in the backs a bit of
a crack as well. Like Proctor, I thought he might
have got his opportunity as well. It just it's given
(05:08):
the All Blacks test of the depth, but also you
know something can work on continuing to the next year
as well.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
So Sam Kaine has started eight of them the last
nine test matches in the seven Jersey. That's probably more
than they thought he might. But the fact is he
started there in eight of the last nine tests. So
who do you reckon is going to get first crack
at the seven Jersey next year?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Right, Well, you've got Peter Lackeye there coming through the ranks.
But in my opinion, I think Artie Severe should go
to the open side and want us to Teata should go
to number eight. They've got send me penow a female,
send me a female there he can play obviously play
on the on the blinds of I would like to
see Seteta pop in at eight. I think he's a
(05:52):
bit he's used, as he's not as free as when
he plays at number six, even though you know some
of the games obviously the previous ones that they played
and against Ireland that he was able to sort of
get out and get a bit more into the open terrory.
But I would like to see obviously Ardie severat seven
and then maybe Blood and Peter Lackeye and and again
(06:13):
it's there's the police creating as well, who's nothing at
the heels of them as two. So it's probably my opinion.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Point no, no, what do you see in the future
of Ethan Blackadder then?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And that?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And you know, given given all of that, and we
haven't seen him. I know he's been injured. I think
last time he played the game would have been over
in South Africa from memory, and I think we've seen
him since that. What do you predict for Ethan Blackadder?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
He probably have a synen without obviously these minor injuries,
but that's that's just a testament of how he plays
quite like his father obviously, just gets in there, gets
stuck in and no respect for his body as such.
But if he can maintain injury free, then you know
he could have essentially also be in the written for
(06:59):
that number six position too. So I think to have
good depths, particularly in the front row forwards locks. Yep.
Probably a bit of a question mark around the depth there,
but obviously with Sam Derry and two pot VII Josh
Lord and obviously they established toy below to and bear
it there as well. So but I think I think
(07:20):
all mas have got you know, good good depth, as
I said in the loose forwards.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Indeed, do we know if there's a test and toned
next year? Are you hearing anything? I'm not sure whether
the schedule's been announced. Are we going to be down
your way again?
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Well, there's probably one person who know that would be
Paul Allison, and he's always always going to be end
of the ground.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
So.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yep, so I could get on the blow. But I'd
be fantastic for fistned and got another case before. Obviously
this stadium sort of kicks off in christ Church, but
that looks impressive as well.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, well, I've never had a bad time in Dunedin,
so I hope there's one next year for us. Paul,
Thanks for joining us, mate, Thanks for being part of
our team across the across the year. Look forward to
catching up next year.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
No, well you two, you thinks so much?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Is all the best?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Mate?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Cheers. That's former former All Black number eighth and yeah,
our expert commentator whenever we go to Test matches and Dunedin.
Yeah a good man, a really good man with some
interesting thoughts. The loose forward trio was one I'd want
to I'd quite like to unpack with you.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk Set B weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from newstorgs EDB. The biggest things in sport are on
Weekend Sport with Jason Fine and GJ. Gunnomes, New Zealand's
most trusted home builder news Dogs EDB roy God scripts up,
it's opened up cam re Guard. Then he goes, I
(00:27):
bet how a scout about the All Blacks have their.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
First Yeah, that was first try of the evening in
Churin for cam roy Guard. Let's bring in former All
Blacks number eight and now rugby commentator and analyst Paul Miller.
Paul is a bit of a full circle moment. You're
in the expert comments seat for Test one of the
year when the All Blacks beat England sixteen fifteen and
Dunedin fourteen test later. You're back. Let's start with this
(00:50):
test match. What was your overall assessment of what you
saw this morning?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Oh, y untidy mess seed, but will credit to the
Italian team, very very good in terms of the dominance
at the rock area. The actually slowed down the ball
for the All Blecks. The All Blacks couldn't get any
continuity away, So yeah, it was it was it was
kind of a crash and a bash, but limited space
(01:16):
and limited opportunities. It was you know, those fortuitous events.
How obviously cam Rouygar got his try and then obviously
boat and bear it at the end. But all in all,
I just thought it was very a very untidy game
from the All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Second tier teams. Paul like Italy will always lift their
game right against the All Blacks. They always will do.
Do you need to plan more specifically for teams to
do that in test matches like this.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yes, definitely do. What it shows though also is beliefs
that these I guess you know, so called secondary of
teams like Italy are seeing the teams like the Ireland
of France obviously England as well with who the All
Backs played on that Northern tour. But it's the belief
that these teams now have showing you know that my
(02:01):
you know, possible weaknesses the All Blacks do have and
been able to have a belief that you know, All
Blacks an as dominant as what they were and now
we can actually you know, not just play to perform well,
but play to perform and win at the end of it.
So it's given these you know, these Tier two teams,
you know, a lot of encouragement that you know, when
they do play, they're going to be playing at their
(02:22):
top level. So yeah, it's grateful world Rugby.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh I know, look, without question, I think we all
want competitive Test matches week in week out. But given
the fact the All Blacks named a full strength team
for this, was this a missed chance to lay down
a marker at the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I mean, it was surprising that yet Razer did go
with obviously an established Tests side. I would have thought
he would have brought in a couple of the you know,
the New Zealand and fifteen like obviously broad in Peter
Lackeye first a bit earlier, but obviously playing you know,
a privilege to Sam Kay's last Test match in the
all Back Jersey, but very very toping that he started.
(02:58):
But you know, yeah, you're right, I mean it could
have he could have brought in the likes of Ruven Love,
the pair of feeders, you know, so maybe just sort
of blooded them. And but you know, given that, you know,
the initial test lineup, I would have thought they would
have played a lot better than what they did.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
A couple of Yellow Cants this morning. That makes eleven
for the season. Is that a concerning number.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It's yes and no. Concerning that, it seems to be
quite a continued theme with the All Blacks. You know,
that's and that's student's basically discipline, but also it's the
scrutiny that's involved. Now. I mean, you know every sort
of ten to fifteen minutes that the dmos get involved,
(03:43):
the sideline touches get involved, so you know, that's something
else that maybe may have to be looked at. And
that just sort of created that stop starting sort of
game for the All Blacks. And they weren't be able,
they weren't able to get into the rhythm as such.
So but again it comes back to the Italian has
been ruthless on defense, you know, slowing that ball down.
But you're right, Piney, it's it's something that I think
(04:03):
world regnus to look at. Otherwise you know you're going
to get disgruntled listeners as well as viewers.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Indeed, well, let's zoom out of it now, as I say,
you said alongside Elliot Smith in the first test of
the year against England and Dunedin. Here we are now
fourteen tests in the books. How do you assess twenty
twenty four for the All.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Blacks I think for the terms of how they tested
the depth of their players, and also you know you're
leading contenders as well, like obviously Scott Barrett and the
front rowers. Of course they're pretty much established now with
the mighty Pasilio Tossi as well and obviously eating the
(04:44):
group like Lomax and the likes, very settled lineup. Again,
it was great to see the bluddy of the other
players like Sam Derry for example, coming in there at Locke,
Josh Lord obviously, and then and then the light's giving
in these other players in the backs a bit of
a crack as well. Like Proctor, I thought he might
have got his opportunity as well. It just it's given
(05:08):
the All Blacks test of the depth, but also you
know something can work on continuing to the next year
as well.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
So Sam Kaine has started eight of them the last
nine test matches in the seven Jersey. That's probably more
than they thought he might. But the fact is he
started there in eight of the last nine tests. So
who do you reckon is going to get first crack
at the seven Jersey next year?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Right, Well, you've got Peter Lackeye there coming through the ranks.
But in my opinion, I think Artie Severe should go
to the open side and want us to Teata should go
to number eight. They've got send me penow a female,
send me a female there he can play obviously play
on the on the blinds of I would like to
see Seteta pop in at eight. I think he's a
(05:52):
bit he's used, as he's not as free as when
he plays at number six, even though you know some
of the games obviously the previous ones that they played
and against Ireland that he was able to sort of
get out and get a bit more into the open terrory.
But I would like to see obviously Ardie severat seven
and then maybe Blood and Peter Lackeye and and again
(06:13):
it's there's the police creating as well, who's nothing at
the heels of them as two. So it's probably my opinion.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Point no, no, what do you see in the future
of Ethan Blackadder then?
Speaker 3 (06:24):
And that?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And you know, given given all of that, and we
haven't seen him. I know he's been injured. I think
last time he played the game would have been over
in South Africa from memory, and I think we've seen
him since that. What do you predict for Ethan Blackadder?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
He probably have a synen without obviously these minor injuries,
but that's that's just a testament of how he plays
quite like his father obviously, just gets in there, gets
stuck in and no respect for his body as such.
But if he can maintain injury free, then you know
he could have essentially also be in the written for
(06:59):
that number six position too. So I think to have
good depths, particularly in the front row forwards locks. Yep.
Probably a bit of a question mark around the depth there,
but obviously with Sam Derry and two pot VII Josh
Lord and obviously they established toy below to and bear
it there as well. So but I think I think
(07:20):
all mas have got you know, good good depth, as
I said in the loose forwards.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Indeed, do we know if there's a test and toned
next year? Are you hearing anything? I'm not sure whether
the schedule's been announced. Are we going to be down
your way again?
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Well, there's probably one person who know that would be
Paul Allison, and he's always always going to be end
of the ground.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
So.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yep, so I could get on the blow. But I'd
be fantastic for fistned and got another case before. Obviously
this stadium sort of kicks off in christ Church, but
that looks impressive as well.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, well, I've never had a bad time in Dunedin,
so I hope there's one next year for us. Paul,
Thanks for joining us, mate, Thanks for being part of
our team across the across the year. Look forward to
catching up next year.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
No, well you two, you thinks so much?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Is all the best?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Mate?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Cheers. That's former former All Black number eighth and yeah,
our expert commentator whenever we go to Test matches and Dunedin.
Yeah a good man, a really good man with some
interesting thoughts. The loose forward trio was one I'd want
to I'd quite like to unpack with you.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live
to News Talk Set B weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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