December 7, 2024 • 12 mins
Former Black Caps coach Steve Rixon is fondly regarded for guiding the Kiwi side through 1997 to 2000.
He oversaw a period of significant success for the team, including in 1999 where New Zealand won two tests in a series in England.
He joined Piney to discuss these historic moments for the team.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine
from News Talk ZEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Steve Rickson fondly remembered here in New Zealand for his
time as Black Caps coach from nineteen ninety seven to
two thousand. He oversaw a period of significant success, including
in nineteen ninety nine when New Zealand won two Tests
in a series in England for the very first time.
It became just the second black Caps team to win
a Test series in England. And New Zealand have won
(00:34):
the match, they have won the series and they have
played excellent precon here. While he was at the hell
New Zealand also won a Test match in Pakistan for
the first time since nineteen sixty nine and beat some
barbwe Sri Lanka and India in series here at home.
Steve Rickson joins us on Weekend Sport. Great to have
you with us. Steve understand you've got together with a
few players from that ninety nine tour and series win
(00:57):
over England. How fond of your memories even twenty five
years on.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I don't know where the embellishment's are grown, but certainly
the fondness of the the memory of that trip was
certainly amplified over the last two days and it was
just the best time I knew it would be. But
getting together with all the group again and sharing stories,
I don't think we could get enough of each other
to be fair. And we've just had two absolutely stunning days.
(01:23):
So I'm heading back to Sydney today. But I've enjoyed
every moment of being over here and it's reunited all
those great, great thoughts and some of the stories that
came out, it was just absolutely stunning.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, and they never get old, do those stories even
twenty five years on. Was it particularly special to win
a Test match at Lords on that tour?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Well, I've been in associate with a lot of criticized
and we've always won it Lord's so to me personally,
not so much. But I guess I guess the real
big key to that Lord's Test for me was having
been beaten in the first Test, which I found extraordinarily
hard to accept because we've prepared well, We played so
well during that Test, and Alex Tudor and Graham Thorpe
(02:09):
put on a big partnership to actually get them over
the line. But they had only won about two sessions
the whole game, we've been dominating. But the ride back
to London on the end one was a bit sour
for me and I just couldn't think of what I
was going to try to do. So over the period
of the trip, I said to everyone, my bags down,
we need to get upstairs and have a talk. And
(02:30):
so we went upstairs had a talk and I said this,
I've got one question for that I need an answer
every one of you for And he said, well, in
the first bloke said what's the question, Stuffer, And I said, well,
I just want to know what each of you guys
are going to do to make the difference in the
second test. Just tell me one thing. And you know
I heard the bland answer, a bland answer, and bland answer,
(02:50):
and then on the fourth the fourth answer came from
Chris Cans and he leapt up out of his chair
and he said, I'll tell you what I'm going to
be doing. My name will be on that board in
the visitors room. I can't tell you right now that
I've scored one hundred or five, I've taken five wickets,
but I will be on that board, mark my words.
And like I could feel the hairs on my neck,
just move immediately, and that exactly, that little spark was
(03:12):
the I don't even know what the rest said, to
be fair, because that was all I was looking for,
that little spark, and that started the whole return, and
we never looked back. From the win at Lord Throw
to going up North and getting washed out up there
and having dominated that game, and then of course singing
we are the champions in Lord's stressing rooms with those
(03:32):
very thin walls, hearing the English cringing next door, and
I don't think I've actually recovered.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I love it well. Chris Kenes did exactly as he said,
six for seventy seven. Of course man Horn got a hundred,
so he's up on the board as well. Some wonderful memories.
What else really stands out when you think back, It's
obviously a team that, even twenty five years on, if
you're still getting back together, you obviously enjoy one another's
company pretty much.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, we do, and we seriously we've We didn't watch
a lot of the cricket, to be honest. Yesterday we
just sat there and spoke about everything and anything that
was associated with a ninety nine trip, even down to
the I so vividly remember speaking. Chris Bog asked me
to go to the Halburg Awards a couple of weeks
after I'd accepted the to take on the Kuwi. So
(04:20):
I went along and I just sat and listened to
comedian one of your sportsman the compare absolutely ship bag
the black Caps, and I'm going, really, really, this is
your national cricket team and this is this is what
everyone's got to say about you. And I said to
Chris at the time, I said, mate, I've this is
this is not right. I want to go. I want
to go. And he said, nice, Stump, but just whole five,
(04:41):
you know, just hanging there for a little bit longer
and I'll tell you when you can go. But I'd
never ever forgot that. And three years later, when we've
come back and I've arrived back in Sydney, he rang
me and he said, I was Stump, I want you
to come over for the I want you to come
over for the Halberg Awards. And I laughed at him.
I said, how's your memory? And I love Chris. I'd
(05:02):
do anything for Chris. And anyway, if they're plues, just
come over. I said, look for the awards. I'm not
coming over for you, I will come over. So I
went over there and when just a bit of a
feel that we might have gone close to winning these
you'd taken off the All Blacks for the first time,
and anyway, we did get And now I said to
you Nash and and Jeff Ellott, I said, you boys,
(05:25):
sit in the background. I've had a little boke on
my shoulder for three years. I'm just about to get
him off. And he said, you'd start up to say
a word that They just sat back. I think they
were horrified it was going to come out of my mouth.
But anyway, I got up and I never forgot or
missed anybody that should have been should have been tagged
at the time. And I have a thousand people in
this marquets all stood to the standing ovation at the
(05:48):
end of it, and I said, now, that's the reason
we played this game, that's the reason I coach, that's
the reason these players have played the game, and that's
the reward you should be getting as your national cricket team.
And it was one of the absolute fondness memories. And
I shared that with the boys the other day and
they said, we remember it so well because they were
up in Wellington playing a game. So yeah, one wonderful,
(06:08):
wonderful memories. And they just keep on going on, you know,
the stories, stories throughout this this day, and one story
led to another, and you know, seven or eight hours later,
just sitting at the same chair, we kept going.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
One of the real features of New Zealand under your watch, Steve,
was the fielding. It became a benchmark of the side
under your guidance. How did you make that happen?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Very simply one of my very very early statements to them,
I said, I don't know how, how or if we
can be the best batting side in the world. I
don't know how or if we can be the best
bowling side in the world. But I can't see one
reason we can't be the best fielding side in the world.
That's going to make the bowler's job so much as
you Instead of trying to get fifteen wickets, we're getting
eleven out, sorry, ten out, and that's going to make
(06:56):
the whole process work well. And all the boys spoke
about this yesterday as well, all the hard work we
put in, and he said, I remember Maca said to me,
he said, I remember walking off my god, if this
is how our fielding and roots things are going to be,
we've got a lot of work to them and and
that's going to be hard. But as they improved and
as they went along, we're one of one of the
(07:18):
best catching catching groups that I think I've ever seen
in world cricket. With the Barrali on the stumps, who
was keeping well, you had the fleming are still young,
and it was like the Tory as well in the gully.
Macca ran the same place, but it was just we
didn't drop too many catches in the cordin at all,
and that makes such a difference to the duels of Nashes,
(07:39):
the Tansas, et cetera of the world. And it was
just wonderful. So we did put a lot of emphasis
on on it. Not that we we missed out on
the other areas, but we thought that's where we can
absolutely shine, and we did. We were the best fielding
side in the world for quite quite a period of time.
But I've noted over the years that they've been very
(08:00):
very good. They had a blemish the other day and
they but those things will happen occasionally. You hope they
don't happen more and more than once, but yeah, you
are allowed to have a bad day. And I just
think generally speaking, their fielding hasn't been too bad in
the last four or five years, and and they've really
put some emphats on doing a lot of what we
did in the early days.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's obviously not going quite so well for the current
side against England. Or what have you made of this
current series and England's domination of it?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, looking looking at it, and I have seen quite
a bit of the series. I watched all the first
Test and a little bit of this Test so far.
But they have been they have been outplayed. They've been
given the opportunity of staying in the game England with
the drop catches in the first Test. That would have
if you've had, of course books, I think that could
have been a completely different test. But this Test we've
(08:52):
been completely outplayed so far and we'll just have to
wait to see how the pans out from here. But yeah, look,
I mean one side are very well bornd side. They
are playing a brand of cricket that if they get
on top, the to hurt you. Because the currency in
cricket is scoring runs and they do know how to
do that. They will fall on their face on occasions
(09:13):
with the and I hate using the word, but the
baseball approach they they they have, but they are going
to stick with that. And as we saw even either
this morning with Route getting one hundred and Stuck's doing
what he did, they just accelerate the scoreboard to actually
get themselves further in front and probably out of the
reach of the Kugi win. So yeah, they're probably a
(09:35):
little bit better at the moment. And I would like
to see the two young kids take the new ball,
but that's something I haven't quite got my head around.
I'm seeing guys biling up one forty and south. He's
been a wonderful, wonderful player for your country. But when
the oppositions start charging it from first ball, I'm guessing
that probably the one twenty five to one twenty eight
(09:57):
isn't going to cut it in the bottom day game
the way they're playing. So i'd like to see the
two young kids at hundred and forty come filing in
and really hitting the wicket and getting up and jumping
about a bit. But that's only one little thing. And
I would have actually taken a spinner in this particular
test as well. I don't think the idea of four
quicks is is probably the answer. But everyone's got an opinion.
And yeah, you asked a question, I just gave your mind.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
No, it's good now. I think you've been reading the
notes of many of our audience as well. Steve just
on Tom. Just on Tom Blundell. He's come under pressure
for his lean trot with the bat. But what have
you made of Tom Blundle's wicket keeping and Red Bull cricket.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, I've seen a bit of Tom and over the
years I've been quite impressed. It's probably dropped off the
pace a little bit at the moment, and he did
take with catch this morning to remove route, so I
can't take too much away from that. But yeah, Tom,
Tom will be right. He should chose the soldier, and
you've got to you got to stick with him. You
can't just pop them in and out. And just because
they haven't scored a few runs. He will. He's a
(10:55):
very very good bat and they're damaging back. He's the
sort of player that's going to change the direction of
the game. So you've just got to stick with Tom
for the minute. And I don't know the who else
is around the place, but what I do know is
is good enough to hold his spot and should be
given that right.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
All right, just to finish, Steve New Zealand have just
lost these second wicket thirty for two, chasing five eighty three.
So look, it's a massive mountain to climb. If you
were in that dressing room addressing the players who still
have to bat over the next hopefully to in a
but days, what would your messages be.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Oh, basically, just formulate, formulator, do some partnership. Just get
one partnership going. Once you've got one partnership, you're taking
the quicks down. You're slowly, slowly changing the pattern bat
too where you needed to be, and that makes life
so much e asier for everyone else. But when you're
losing two and three out front, it makes it like
extremely difficult. You need to be you need to be
still positive. But at the same time, just once you've
(11:48):
got a partnership of twenty forty sixty, turn that endo
one hundred and fifty and then all of a sudden,
the game, the look of the game, the feel of
the game, the opposition all look a little bit jaded,
and the game the game looks once they reachable got
five five seventy five eighty. Whatever they're chasing is is
not really going to happen. But you do need pride
and you do need some confidence going into the next test.
(12:10):
So whatever you take out of this is going to
transfer into the next test. And I used the example
the other day with Lavashine has been so sadly had
a form over in Australia and I just said, well,
in that situation, don't give him ten more net sessions.
Give him one one innings against the Prime Minister's game
to get it right. Don't care who you got out
of the side. This is about getting your best dashal
(12:31):
side prepared and he should have gone gone back and
done that, so fair playing got some months this innings,
but it's the same sort of principle, Steve.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
It's been so great to Jetty. I'm so glad you
had a great time over the side of the safe
travels home and thanks for taking our call this.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Afternoon, No iris, j I'll suspect you now.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Good to talk to you too, Steve. Thanks in date
Steve rixon.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Steve Rickson fondly remembered here in New Zealand for his
time as Black Caps coach from nineteen ninety seven to
two thousand. He oversaw a period of significant success, including
in nineteen ninety nine when New Zealand won two Tests
in a series in England for the very first time.
It became just the second black Caps team to win
a Test series in England. And New Zealand have won
(00:34):
the match, they have won the series and they have
played excellent precon here. While he was at the hell
New Zealand also won a Test match in Pakistan for
the first time since nineteen sixty nine and beat some
barbwe Sri Lanka and India in series here at home.
Steve Rickson joins us on Weekend Sport. Great to have
you with us. Steve understand you've got together with a
few players from that ninety nine tour and series win
(00:57):
over England. How fond of your memories even twenty five
years on.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I don't know where the embellishment's are grown, but certainly
the fondness of the the memory of that trip was
certainly amplified over the last two days and it was
just the best time I knew it would be. But
getting together with all the group again and sharing stories,
I don't think we could get enough of each other
to be fair. And we've just had two absolutely stunning days.
(01:23):
So I'm heading back to Sydney today. But I've enjoyed
every moment of being over here and it's reunited all
those great, great thoughts and some of the stories that
came out, it was just absolutely stunning.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, and they never get old, do those stories even
twenty five years on. Was it particularly special to win
a Test match at Lords on that tour?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Well, I've been in associate with a lot of criticized
and we've always won it Lord's so to me personally,
not so much. But I guess I guess the real
big key to that Lord's Test for me was having
been beaten in the first Test, which I found extraordinarily
hard to accept because we've prepared well, We played so
well during that Test, and Alex Tudor and Graham Thorpe
(02:09):
put on a big partnership to actually get them over
the line. But they had only won about two sessions
the whole game, we've been dominating. But the ride back
to London on the end one was a bit sour
for me and I just couldn't think of what I
was going to try to do. So over the period
of the trip, I said to everyone, my bags down,
we need to get upstairs and have a talk. And
(02:30):
so we went upstairs had a talk and I said this,
I've got one question for that I need an answer
every one of you for And he said, well, in
the first bloke said what's the question, Stuffer, And I said, well,
I just want to know what each of you guys
are going to do to make the difference in the
second test. Just tell me one thing. And you know
I heard the bland answer, a bland answer, and bland answer,
(02:50):
and then on the fourth the fourth answer came from
Chris Cans and he leapt up out of his chair
and he said, I'll tell you what I'm going to
be doing. My name will be on that board in
the visitors room. I can't tell you right now that
I've scored one hundred or five, I've taken five wickets,
but I will be on that board, mark my words.
And like I could feel the hairs on my neck,
just move immediately, and that exactly, that little spark was
(03:12):
the I don't even know what the rest said, to
be fair, because that was all I was looking for,
that little spark, and that started the whole return, and
we never looked back. From the win at Lord Throw
to going up North and getting washed out up there
and having dominated that game, and then of course singing
we are the champions in Lord's stressing rooms with those
(03:32):
very thin walls, hearing the English cringing next door, and
I don't think I've actually recovered.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I love it well. Chris Kenes did exactly as he said,
six for seventy seven. Of course man Horn got a hundred,
so he's up on the board as well. Some wonderful memories.
What else really stands out when you think back, It's
obviously a team that, even twenty five years on, if
you're still getting back together, you obviously enjoy one another's
company pretty much.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah, we do, and we seriously we've We didn't watch
a lot of the cricket, to be honest. Yesterday we
just sat there and spoke about everything and anything that
was associated with a ninety nine trip, even down to
the I so vividly remember speaking. Chris Bog asked me
to go to the Halburg Awards a couple of weeks
after I'd accepted the to take on the Kuwi. So
(04:20):
I went along and I just sat and listened to
comedian one of your sportsman the compare absolutely ship bag
the black Caps, and I'm going, really, really, this is
your national cricket team and this is this is what
everyone's got to say about you. And I said to
Chris at the time, I said, mate, I've this is
this is not right. I want to go. I want
to go. And he said, nice, Stump, but just whole five,
(04:41):
you know, just hanging there for a little bit longer
and I'll tell you when you can go. But I'd
never ever forgot that. And three years later, when we've
come back and I've arrived back in Sydney, he rang
me and he said, I was Stump, I want you
to come over for the I want you to come
over for the Halberg Awards. And I laughed at him.
I said, how's your memory? And I love Chris. I'd
(05:02):
do anything for Chris. And anyway, if they're plues, just
come over. I said, look for the awards. I'm not
coming over for you, I will come over. So I
went over there and when just a bit of a
feel that we might have gone close to winning these
you'd taken off the All Blacks for the first time,
and anyway, we did get And now I said to
you Nash and and Jeff Ellott, I said, you boys,
(05:25):
sit in the background. I've had a little boke on
my shoulder for three years. I'm just about to get
him off. And he said, you'd start up to say
a word that They just sat back. I think they
were horrified it was going to come out of my mouth.
But anyway, I got up and I never forgot or
missed anybody that should have been should have been tagged
at the time. And I have a thousand people in
this marquets all stood to the standing ovation at the
(05:48):
end of it, and I said, now, that's the reason
we played this game, that's the reason I coach, that's
the reason these players have played the game, and that's
the reward you should be getting as your national cricket team.
And it was one of the absolute fondness memories. And
I shared that with the boys the other day and
they said, we remember it so well because they were
up in Wellington playing a game. So yeah, one wonderful,
(06:08):
wonderful memories. And they just keep on going on, you know,
the stories, stories throughout this this day, and one story
led to another, and you know, seven or eight hours later,
just sitting at the same chair, we kept going.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
One of the real features of New Zealand under your watch, Steve,
was the fielding. It became a benchmark of the side
under your guidance. How did you make that happen?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Very simply one of my very very early statements to them,
I said, I don't know how, how or if we
can be the best batting side in the world. I
don't know how or if we can be the best
bowling side in the world. But I can't see one
reason we can't be the best fielding side in the world.
That's going to make the bowler's job so much as
you Instead of trying to get fifteen wickets, we're getting
eleven out, sorry, ten out, and that's going to make
(06:56):
the whole process work well. And all the boys spoke
about this yesterday as well, all the hard work we
put in, and he said, I remember Maca said to me,
he said, I remember walking off my god, if this
is how our fielding and roots things are going to be,
we've got a lot of work to them and and
that's going to be hard. But as they improved and
as they went along, we're one of one of the
(07:18):
best catching catching groups that I think I've ever seen
in world cricket. With the Barrali on the stumps, who
was keeping well, you had the fleming are still young,
and it was like the Tory as well in the gully.
Macca ran the same place, but it was just we
didn't drop too many catches in the cordin at all,
and that makes such a difference to the duels of Nashes,
(07:39):
the Tansas, et cetera of the world. And it was
just wonderful. So we did put a lot of emphasis
on on it. Not that we we missed out on
the other areas, but we thought that's where we can
absolutely shine, and we did. We were the best fielding
side in the world for quite quite a period of time.
But I've noted over the years that they've been very
(08:00):
very good. They had a blemish the other day and
they but those things will happen occasionally. You hope they
don't happen more and more than once, but yeah, you
are allowed to have a bad day. And I just
think generally speaking, their fielding hasn't been too bad in
the last four or five years, and and they've really
put some emphats on doing a lot of what we
did in the early days.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's obviously not going quite so well for the current
side against England. Or what have you made of this
current series and England's domination of it?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, looking looking at it, and I have seen quite
a bit of the series. I watched all the first
Test and a little bit of this Test so far.
But they have been they have been outplayed. They've been
given the opportunity of staying in the game England with
the drop catches in the first Test. That would have
if you've had, of course books, I think that could
have been a completely different test. But this Test we've
(08:52):
been completely outplayed so far and we'll just have to
wait to see how the pans out from here. But yeah, look,
I mean one side are very well bornd side. They
are playing a brand of cricket that if they get
on top, the to hurt you. Because the currency in
cricket is scoring runs and they do know how to
do that. They will fall on their face on occasions
(09:13):
with the and I hate using the word, but the
baseball approach they they they have, but they are going
to stick with that. And as we saw even either
this morning with Route getting one hundred and Stuck's doing
what he did, they just accelerate the scoreboard to actually
get themselves further in front and probably out of the
reach of the Kugi win. So yeah, they're probably a
(09:35):
little bit better at the moment. And I would like
to see the two young kids take the new ball,
but that's something I haven't quite got my head around.
I'm seeing guys biling up one forty and south. He's
been a wonderful, wonderful player for your country. But when
the oppositions start charging it from first ball, I'm guessing
that probably the one twenty five to one twenty eight
(09:57):
isn't going to cut it in the bottom day game
the way they're playing. So i'd like to see the
two young kids at hundred and forty come filing in
and really hitting the wicket and getting up and jumping
about a bit. But that's only one little thing. And
I would have actually taken a spinner in this particular
test as well. I don't think the idea of four
quicks is is probably the answer. But everyone's got an opinion.
And yeah, you asked a question, I just gave your mind.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
No, it's good now. I think you've been reading the
notes of many of our audience as well. Steve just
on Tom. Just on Tom Blundell. He's come under pressure
for his lean trot with the bat. But what have
you made of Tom Blundle's wicket keeping and Red Bull cricket.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, I've seen a bit of Tom and over the
years I've been quite impressed. It's probably dropped off the
pace a little bit at the moment, and he did
take with catch this morning to remove route, so I
can't take too much away from that. But yeah, Tom,
Tom will be right. He should chose the soldier, and
you've got to you got to stick with him. You
can't just pop them in and out. And just because
they haven't scored a few runs. He will. He's a
(10:55):
very very good bat and they're damaging back. He's the
sort of player that's going to change the direction of
the game. So you've just got to stick with Tom
for the minute. And I don't know the who else
is around the place, but what I do know is
is good enough to hold his spot and should be
given that right.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
All right, just to finish, Steve New Zealand have just
lost these second wicket thirty for two, chasing five eighty three.
So look, it's a massive mountain to climb. If you
were in that dressing room addressing the players who still
have to bat over the next hopefully to in a
but days, what would your messages be.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Oh, basically, just formulate, formulator, do some partnership. Just get
one partnership going. Once you've got one partnership, you're taking
the quicks down. You're slowly, slowly changing the pattern bat
too where you needed to be, and that makes life
so much e asier for everyone else. But when you're
losing two and three out front, it makes it like
extremely difficult. You need to be you need to be
still positive. But at the same time, just once you've
(11:48):
got a partnership of twenty forty sixty, turn that endo
one hundred and fifty and then all of a sudden,
the game, the look of the game, the feel of
the game, the opposition all look a little bit jaded,
and the game the game looks once they reachable got
five five seventy five eighty. Whatever they're chasing is is
not really going to happen. But you do need pride
and you do need some confidence going into the next test.
(12:10):
So whatever you take out of this is going to
transfer into the next test. And I used the example
the other day with Lavashine has been so sadly had
a form over in Australia and I just said, well,
in that situation, don't give him ten more net sessions.
Give him one one innings against the Prime Minister's game
to get it right. Don't care who you got out
of the side. This is about getting your best dashal
(12:31):
side prepared and he should have gone gone back and
done that, so fair playing got some months this innings,
but it's the same sort of principle, Steve.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
It's been so great to Jetty. I'm so glad you
had a great time over the side of the safe
travels home and thanks for taking our call this.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Afternoon, No iris, j I'll suspect you now.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Good to talk to you too, Steve. Thanks in date
Steve rixon.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
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