October 31, 2025 • 11 mins
The All Blacks are looking for redemption as they head to Chicago to face Ireland.
In the same stadium in 2016, Ireland secured their first ever win over the All Blacks with 40 points to 29.
Former All Black Justin Marshall is in Chicago, and he told Jason Pine that the city is ready for matchday.
'Sport is a big part of what the city does. The weather's been great and yeah, it's just been an excellent week.'
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talks edb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
In past nine New Zealand time when the All Blacks
take on Ireland. Full commentary here on Newstalk's edb Our.
Coverage starts at eight thirty tomorrow morning with rugby editor
and match commentator Elliot Smith. Chicago is the city. Soldier
Field is the venue scene of this iconic Test match
nine years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Here comes Hayslip straight off the backshot ball. Here it is,
here's the one.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It's a try.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It's a try to Robbie head show.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
That's gotta be the history maker, got to be.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Ireland has beaten the.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
All Blacks, the culmination of a historic week at Chicago.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
November five, twenty sixteen. Ireland forty All Blacks twenty nine
Island's first ever win over the All Blacks in one
hundred and eleven years of trying.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Now in the No.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Nine Test matches between the two, since then, we've had
five wins and the All Blacks have had the rather.
Island have had four five wins to the All Blacks,
four to Ireland. Ireland claimed that historic series win here
in twenty twenty two we've won both of the Test
matches since then twenty eight twenty four and that thrilling
Rugby World Cup quarterfinal and last year in Dublin twenty
(01:26):
three to thirteen. The last time we beat Ireland in
three straight Test matches was twenty twelve into twenty thirteen.
Let's bring in one of our great All Blacks and
now one of the best rugby commentators and analysts, going
around eighty one Test matches and eighty eight games in
total for the All Blacks from nineteen ninety six to
two thousand and five, he was, without doubt our first
(01:48):
choice halfback. Now a commentator and rugby panelist for Skysport,
Justin Marshall, who joins.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Us from Chicago.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Are you enjoying your time up in Chicago, Marshy, Let's
try and get Justin Marshall.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
On the line. Are you enjoying your time there?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Margie sensational intro mate. Thank you very much for that.
That's very kind. Absolutely, I am with Chicago. There's such
a vibrant city. It's a sporting city. So look during
the week this week, I've been to the Blackhawks ice
hockey team. I've been to the Chicago Bulls at the moment.
The World Series of Baseball is on all the bars. Yes,
(02:30):
the Chicago Cub's uns involved, but still because of the
sporting culture of the city, people are just interested because
it's a baseball game, where it's an ice hockey game
or a basketball game. And the Beers obviously are playing
at the moment, which is the NFL team. So it
kind of reminds me for people back home of like
Melbourne as a sporting city. You know, it's got that
amount of teams and that amount of I guess excitement
(02:53):
around the fact that sport is a big part of
what the city does. The weather has been great and
yes it's just been an excellent week. But you know
what the big thing is, Mate, driving around the city,
there is advertising all over it for this All Blacks
game against Ireland. You can see it everywhere. Soldier Field
is sold out. So Rugby Union's going to make a
(03:13):
big mark on this city on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
All right, Team selection for the All Blacks eight and
de Groupe Boden, Barrett, Caleb Clark come back and they
missed the last taste against astridis for injury. Do you
like the look of the side Marshy, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Look, obviously there are areas that we're up for discussion
because of what happened in Perth, which was injury enforced
or some players being on rotation rest, you know, like
Billy Popter and twin Quintu Pie came in and played
so well and equally you know, Peter Larco got an
opportunity at number eight. You mentioned Boden Barrett was out
injured as well, So there was always going to be
(03:46):
some debate around where Scott Robertson went with his selections
considering the test match before at Eden Park. They won
that as well, so it's like, right, does he reward
players or does he stick with what he knows and
so that that was always going to be real interesting
when he named his side. Look, I like the ballance
of the team. I think probably when I look at
it to Mikey Williams would have to consider himself pretty unlucky.
(04:09):
I thought he was one of the best on the
park in Perth and the scrum looked really good for
it where we started to dominate it and that's set
piece again and he pretty much got rid of will scouting.
Now to that just match there, didn't he nearly on
his own. I thought, you know, he could probably be
one of the unlucky ones as well as leestifying a
nuku who made a massive impact. But again, Caleb Park
(04:29):
didn't get anything wrong in his just match it in
Park before going off injured. So look, in a nutshell,
I think it's a really good, well balanced team and
you know the factors they've got to click and gail
against an Island side that is also going to really
test them.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Do you think quinter Pie could become the first choice
center in this team in the next couple of years.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yeah, well, I think you know, there is obviously still
an opportunity for somebody to put a stamp on that jersey.
That's probably the way that I need to word it. Look,
I don't think Billy Popp has done a poor job.
I don't think he's played bad rugby. I think he's
been trucking away quite nicely and good on defense and
(05:12):
offered plenty. He's offered plenty on attack. But all of
a sudden, Quintu Paire came into that center jersey and
he provided a bit more punch and he broke tackles.
You know, Obviously they've moved on from reco be in
the center and look in the future, at some stage
I'd like to see them give lessifying a nuclear chance
in the midfield as well. But in answer to your question,
after putting that all of those things into the equation, yeah,
(05:36):
Quintu Paie, Absolutely he's got a chance to maybe wrestle
that jersey away from from Billy PLoP proper and make
it hard for Scott Robertson to pick anybody else. If
he continues to produce the performances like he did in
Perth in that jersey, he could very well make it
one for him in the future.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
What is the All Blacks future of Rico Yowani.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Look, I certainly don't feel that they are going to
dismiss him. You know, world class players don't become four
players overnight. Look, I don't necessarily, again feel that he's
really struggled for form. I just think the way that
the team dynamic is working, that the way that they
want to play, Rico just wasn't quite fitting into that.
But that doesn't mean that he a player like him,
can't adapt and adjust, you know. Obviously, being stuck back
(06:21):
on the wing after playing so much center over a
period of time. It does take It does take a
little bit of adjusting, you know. And then again the
fact there's a center, you don't have to deal with
the aerial situation at all really in that jersey. Then
all of a sudden you get put back on the
wing and you're getting bombarded and you need to, you know,
change the way that you're seeing things on the field.
(06:42):
So obviously they felt that he wasn't quite getting there
quickly enough, and they made some changes and Lee or
a Carter got a chance on the wing, and Caleb Clark,
we know, is good in the air. So look, in
a long winded way, mate, I don't feel that Rico's
time is done, but I think he has some work
on and no doubt, being the professional is he's working
on them, and he'll still be looking to put pressure
(07:04):
on to get a starting spot.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
You painted picture of Chicago for us, Marshie.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
There was a school of thought though, that playing at
a neutral venue doesn't galvanize the All Blacks as much
as playing at a hostile away ground.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Is there any merit to that?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Look, I certainly feel that the occasion provides you with
the ability to want to go out and entertain and
play well. You know, when you know that the stadiums
sold out, when you know that you've got New Zealanders
traveling from New Zealand, you know, spending their hard earned dollars. Equally,
the Irish are in forced here that a lot of
them have traveled from the UK, and then you've got
(07:43):
the locals. You want to see rugby for what it
is and experience what it's like to actually see the
best teams in the world going at each other in
a test match on neutral ground. I think the players
have got everything to play for. I don't feel that
you know, the fact that there's no hostility there changes
that dynamic. You know, like whenever I put the boots
(08:04):
on and was playing at any stadium, you want to
not only do the Jersey justice, but you wanted to
make sure that the people that were coming along and
have invested in coming to what you play, that you
gave them entertainment. So I certainly feel that the All
Blacks have the ability to do that and they'll know
the challenge in front of them, Like at the end
of the day, the last time they were here, matt
(08:24):
Island has never ever beaten us in the entire history
of the game. Now they are capable of beating us,
and they've done it not just once, but a couple
of times. I think it's three or four times now,
haven't they. So the All Blacks will be very very aware,
unlike last time, that should they be slightly off, they
can get bitten and that provides plenty of motivation within it.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
South and Ireland, I mean they haven't played with their
full string side since the Six Nations in March. They
had a couple of games when a lot of their
guys were away with the lines. Are they more likely
to be underdone or coming in nice and fresh?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I think they're more likely to be underdone looking at it.
And they've had some personnel changes as well through injury,
you know, so they've had to adjust to that. When
you see the naming of this side, the consistency is
in the forward back, no doubt about that. And that's
a formidable forward pack, full of experience and full of
world class players, you know in British and Irish Lions.
(09:18):
And then you've got the halves and Crowley and obviously
Jamis and Gibson. Parker has proven to be one of
the best half backs in the world at the moment.
James Low tends to play some of his best rugby
when he's playing against the All Backs in particular, and
you know you got quality like ring Roads in the
midfield and then a few new players with the likes
of Osborne being included at fullback because of Hugo Keenan's
(09:40):
injury combined that was like what you said, they haven't
played a lot of them played in the Lions, but
under a different environment and with different people around them
in terms of set up. So this is the first
time that they've actually been able to get together again
and go out and play together as a team. And
Andy Ferrell's back in charge after not being in charge
(10:00):
of them for over a year, so it was used
to be being the coach. Yeah, I'm on the side.
I've been underdone and not as prepared as the All
Blacks if I look at it in that respect.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Just before you go, marsh it has ten years to
the day since the twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup Final.
Would you watch from the commentary box alongside Grant's but
your go body is still like onic fond?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
How fond of your memories of that day? At Ticktom.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
They are brilliant memories and to be fair, you know,
unlike a lot of Rugby World Cup finals that can
become a real slog. That was an entertainment package at
that Twickenham that day and you know, obviously the old
foe we're up against us and I just feel that,
you know, when you have moments like that and you
have a quality rugby game along with, you know, those
(10:53):
exciting moments like that, it just feels like it was
yesterday and just feel very privileged to have been out
to sit in the seat and watch the All Blacks
went back to back Rugby World Cups. You know, that's
what the game is all about, isn't it. And to
be able to sort of feel a part of it
by calling the game was awesome. So hopefully get another
one or two more of those mate in the future
(11:13):
and hopefully calling it a good All Black win at
the weekend as well against what is a very difficult
challenge in beating an Irish side that will be well
motivated after what the All Blacks did to them at
the speaking of World Cups at the World Cup. In
the quarterfinal, they'll be out for a bit of revenge. Show.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's all spiced up, David Is indeed look forward to
your call on Sky on Sunday morning. Marshi, thanks for
joining us on ZB this afternoon.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Always a pleasure, no problem, No thanks mate.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
That is Justin Marshall joining us All Blacks Island covers
from eight tomorrow morning on Sky Sport one in Skysport
Now kick off at ten past night. Of course, you
can hear the call here on News Talks EDB as.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Well for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen
live to News Talks EDB weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine
from News Talks edb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
In past nine New Zealand time when the All Blacks
take on Ireland. Full commentary here on Newstalk's edb Our.
Coverage starts at eight thirty tomorrow morning with rugby editor
and match commentator Elliot Smith. Chicago is the city. Soldier
Field is the venue scene of this iconic Test match
nine years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Here comes Hayslip straight off the backshot ball. Here it is,
here's the one.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
It's a try.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It's a try to Robbie head show.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
That's gotta be the history maker, got to be.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Ireland has beaten the.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
All Blacks, the culmination of a historic week at Chicago.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
November five, twenty sixteen. Ireland forty All Blacks twenty nine
Island's first ever win over the All Blacks in one
hundred and eleven years of trying.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Now in the No.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Nine Test matches between the two, since then, we've had
five wins and the All Blacks have had the rather.
Island have had four five wins to the All Blacks,
four to Ireland. Ireland claimed that historic series win here
in twenty twenty two we've won both of the Test
matches since then twenty eight twenty four and that thrilling
Rugby World Cup quarterfinal and last year in Dublin twenty
(01:26):
three to thirteen. The last time we beat Ireland in
three straight Test matches was twenty twelve into twenty thirteen.
Let's bring in one of our great All Blacks and
now one of the best rugby commentators and analysts, going
around eighty one Test matches and eighty eight games in
total for the All Blacks from nineteen ninety six to
two thousand and five, he was, without doubt our first
(01:48):
choice halfback. Now a commentator and rugby panelist for Skysport,
Justin Marshall, who joins.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Us from Chicago.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Are you enjoying your time up in Chicago, Marshy, Let's
try and get Justin Marshall.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
On the line. Are you enjoying your time there?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Margie sensational intro mate. Thank you very much for that.
That's very kind. Absolutely, I am with Chicago. There's such
a vibrant city. It's a sporting city. So look during
the week this week, I've been to the Blackhawks ice
hockey team. I've been to the Chicago Bulls at the moment.
The World Series of Baseball is on all the bars. Yes,
(02:30):
the Chicago Cub's uns involved, but still because of the
sporting culture of the city, people are just interested because
it's a baseball game, where it's an ice hockey game
or a basketball game. And the Beers obviously are playing
at the moment, which is the NFL team. So it
kind of reminds me for people back home of like
Melbourne as a sporting city. You know, it's got that
amount of teams and that amount of I guess excitement
(02:53):
around the fact that sport is a big part of
what the city does. The weather has been great and
yes it's just been an excellent week. But you know
what the big thing is, Mate, driving around the city,
there is advertising all over it for this All Blacks
game against Ireland. You can see it everywhere. Soldier Field
is sold out. So Rugby Union's going to make a
(03:13):
big mark on this city on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
All right, Team selection for the All Blacks eight and
de Groupe Boden, Barrett, Caleb Clark come back and they
missed the last taste against astridis for injury. Do you
like the look of the side Marshy, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Look, obviously there are areas that we're up for discussion
because of what happened in Perth, which was injury enforced
or some players being on rotation rest, you know, like
Billy Popter and twin Quintu Pie came in and played
so well and equally you know, Peter Larco got an
opportunity at number eight. You mentioned Boden Barrett was out
injured as well, So there was always going to be
(03:46):
some debate around where Scott Robertson went with his selections
considering the test match before at Eden Park. They won
that as well, so it's like, right, does he reward
players or does he stick with what he knows and
so that that was always going to be real interesting
when he named his side. Look, I like the ballance
of the team. I think probably when I look at
it to Mikey Williams would have to consider himself pretty unlucky.
(04:09):
I thought he was one of the best on the
park in Perth and the scrum looked really good for
it where we started to dominate it and that's set
piece again and he pretty much got rid of will scouting.
Now to that just match there, didn't he nearly on
his own. I thought, you know, he could probably be
one of the unlucky ones as well as leestifying a
nuku who made a massive impact. But again, Caleb Park
(04:29):
didn't get anything wrong in his just match it in
Park before going off injured. So look, in a nutshell,
I think it's a really good, well balanced team and
you know the factors they've got to click and gail
against an Island side that is also going to really
test them.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Do you think quinter Pie could become the first choice
center in this team in the next couple of years.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yeah, well, I think you know, there is obviously still
an opportunity for somebody to put a stamp on that jersey.
That's probably the way that I need to word it. Look,
I don't think Billy Popp has done a poor job.
I don't think he's played bad rugby. I think he's
been trucking away quite nicely and good on defense and
(05:12):
offered plenty. He's offered plenty on attack. But all of
a sudden, Quintu Paire came into that center jersey and
he provided a bit more punch and he broke tackles.
You know, Obviously they've moved on from reco be in
the center and look in the future, at some stage
I'd like to see them give lessifying a nuclear chance
in the midfield as well. But in answer to your question,
after putting that all of those things into the equation, yeah,
(05:36):
Quintu Paie, Absolutely he's got a chance to maybe wrestle
that jersey away from from Billy PLoP proper and make
it hard for Scott Robertson to pick anybody else. If
he continues to produce the performances like he did in
Perth in that jersey, he could very well make it
one for him in the future.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
What is the All Blacks future of Rico Yowani.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Look, I certainly don't feel that they are going to
dismiss him. You know, world class players don't become four
players overnight. Look, I don't necessarily, again feel that he's
really struggled for form. I just think the way that
the team dynamic is working, that the way that they
want to play, Rico just wasn't quite fitting into that.
But that doesn't mean that he a player like him,
can't adapt and adjust, you know. Obviously, being stuck back
(06:21):
on the wing after playing so much center over a
period of time. It does take It does take a
little bit of adjusting, you know. And then again the
fact there's a center, you don't have to deal with
the aerial situation at all really in that jersey. Then
all of a sudden you get put back on the
wing and you're getting bombarded and you need to, you know,
change the way that you're seeing things on the field.
(06:42):
So obviously they felt that he wasn't quite getting there
quickly enough, and they made some changes and Lee or
a Carter got a chance on the wing, and Caleb Clark,
we know, is good in the air. So look, in
a long winded way, mate, I don't feel that Rico's
time is done, but I think he has some work
on and no doubt, being the professional is he's working
on them, and he'll still be looking to put pressure
(07:04):
on to get a starting spot.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
You painted picture of Chicago for us, Marshie.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
There was a school of thought though, that playing at
a neutral venue doesn't galvanize the All Blacks as much
as playing at a hostile away ground.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Is there any merit to that?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Look, I certainly feel that the occasion provides you with
the ability to want to go out and entertain and
play well. You know, when you know that the stadiums
sold out, when you know that you've got New Zealanders
traveling from New Zealand, you know, spending their hard earned dollars. Equally,
the Irish are in forced here that a lot of
them have traveled from the UK, and then you've got
(07:43):
the locals. You want to see rugby for what it
is and experience what it's like to actually see the
best teams in the world going at each other in
a test match on neutral ground. I think the players
have got everything to play for. I don't feel that
you know, the fact that there's no hostility there changes
that dynamic. You know, like whenever I put the boots
(08:04):
on and was playing at any stadium, you want to
not only do the Jersey justice, but you wanted to
make sure that the people that were coming along and
have invested in coming to what you play, that you
gave them entertainment. So I certainly feel that the All
Blacks have the ability to do that and they'll know
the challenge in front of them, Like at the end
of the day, the last time they were here, matt
(08:24):
Island has never ever beaten us in the entire history
of the game. Now they are capable of beating us,
and they've done it not just once, but a couple
of times. I think it's three or four times now,
haven't they. So the All Blacks will be very very aware,
unlike last time, that should they be slightly off, they
can get bitten and that provides plenty of motivation within it.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
South and Ireland, I mean they haven't played with their
full string side since the Six Nations in March. They
had a couple of games when a lot of their
guys were away with the lines. Are they more likely
to be underdone or coming in nice and fresh?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I think they're more likely to be underdone looking at it.
And they've had some personnel changes as well through injury,
you know, so they've had to adjust to that. When
you see the naming of this side, the consistency is
in the forward back, no doubt about that. And that's
a formidable forward pack, full of experience and full of
world class players, you know in British and Irish Lions.
(09:18):
And then you've got the halves and Crowley and obviously
Jamis and Gibson. Parker has proven to be one of
the best half backs in the world at the moment.
James Low tends to play some of his best rugby
when he's playing against the All Backs in particular, and
you know you got quality like ring Roads in the
midfield and then a few new players with the likes
of Osborne being included at fullback because of Hugo Keenan's
(09:40):
injury combined that was like what you said, they haven't
played a lot of them played in the Lions, but
under a different environment and with different people around them
in terms of set up. So this is the first
time that they've actually been able to get together again
and go out and play together as a team. And
Andy Ferrell's back in charge after not being in charge
(10:00):
of them for over a year, so it was used
to be being the coach. Yeah, I'm on the side.
I've been underdone and not as prepared as the All
Blacks if I look at it in that respect.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Just before you go, marsh it has ten years to
the day since the twenty fifteen Rugby World Cup Final.
Would you watch from the commentary box alongside Grant's but
your go body is still like onic fond?
Speaker 3 (10:27):
How fond of your memories of that day? At Ticktom.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
They are brilliant memories and to be fair, you know,
unlike a lot of Rugby World Cup finals that can
become a real slog. That was an entertainment package at
that Twickenham that day and you know, obviously the old
foe we're up against us and I just feel that,
you know, when you have moments like that and you
have a quality rugby game along with, you know, those
(10:53):
exciting moments like that, it just feels like it was
yesterday and just feel very privileged to have been out
to sit in the seat and watch the All Blacks
went back to back Rugby World Cups. You know, that's
what the game is all about, isn't it. And to
be able to sort of feel a part of it
by calling the game was awesome. So hopefully get another
one or two more of those mate in the future
(11:13):
and hopefully calling it a good All Black win at
the weekend as well against what is a very difficult
challenge in beating an Irish side that will be well
motivated after what the All Blacks did to them at
the speaking of World Cups at the World Cup. In
the quarterfinal, they'll be out for a bit of revenge. Show.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It's all spiced up, David Is indeed look forward to
your call on Sky on Sunday morning. Marshi, thanks for
joining us on ZB this afternoon.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Always a pleasure, no problem, No thanks mate.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
That is Justin Marshall joining us All Blacks Island covers
from eight tomorrow morning on Sky Sport one in Skysport
Now kick off at ten past night. Of course, you
can hear the call here on News Talks EDB as.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Well for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen
live to News Talks EDB weekends from midday or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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