The Passing of the Sword

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Said Josh Ennis Show on one six point seven DOUBLELLZ
Detroit's Wheels All.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Ride Welcome in six so five. It is the Josh
Dennis Show, Josh and James this morning. Hello, how are you, James.
I'm okay, come on, I'm pretty good recovering from that
party on Saturday. And that was a heck of a party.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Man.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
The Toolbox party was awesome. Yeah, it was a killer party.
I don't know how many people showed up. Was there
an estimate like three p fifty? I think my wife
said just under three hundred, just under three hundred, okay,
so that's pretty impressive. Hell of a crowd. Good folks
came out, wanted to party, wanted to have a good time,
and we did a couple dirty birds in the Crown.

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Oh I know, man, it was We got to meet
Dark Dorothy. We got to meet Dorothy. That picture is
on the Josh Ennis Show Facebook. I mean, she's wild,
this Dorothy, and she was the star of the show.
He was. I don't know how many Dorothy cants were
ringing through that the auditorium whatever the room we were in.
It was really cool and thanks to our friends over

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at Hollywood Casino at Greek Town. They put on a
heck of a show there for us, great space for us,
that food spread, good spread, good deaf folks, good people.
Thanks to all the people that made the Toolbox Party possible,
of course, Dean Sellers, Detroit Diamond Drilling. I mean, look, man,

(01:28):
just awesome, awesome, awesome. We appreciate you guys coming out.
It was a heck of a time. Awesome, awesome, awesome people,
awesome facility, awesome fun. The band Dire Days, they were great.
They were awesome. That's kind of better than Vince Neil,
That's what I was saying. They did a couple of
Motley Cruz songs and I'm like, this guy should just
do it for Vince. You even said he needs to

(01:50):
work on a showing the mic of the crowd, and
it's like he heard you. He heard that critique and
started sharing the mic with the crowd, trying to get
in the scene along. Look, if you're going to try
to get into Motley Crue, that have to do. The
key to being in Motley Crue is to sing as
little as possible and struggle to breathe. The biggest prerequisites
to being the lead singer of Motley krue. But we're

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glad you guys are with us today. There's a big
announcement coming up at eight o'clock. So eight o'clock today
there will be a big announcement on the radio station.
So you don't want to miss that. If you'd like
to speculate about what that is, you can do so
you can shoot us a text, text the word Josh
and your message to five one eight eight one. Of
course you can do that on Facebook as well. Facebook.

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The speculation is mostly.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
That I'm going to die or get fired.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
So really, yes, that is the big speculation on the Facebook.
Are you dying? Unfortunately No, I'm distortunate for me because
I'd like to keep this job a little bit. Well,
if I die, it might be all yours. I don't
think I got the chops to handle the seat, you
said in my friends. So but you can speculate about

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that on our text, on social media whatever. Of course,
you can follow the Josh Ennis Show on Facebook. We
would appreciate that. Boy. Good Lions game yesterday, dominant Lions game.
So you hear from Dan Campbell, who is the new
offensive coordinator of the Detroit Lions, and hell go for it. Yeah,
because that was fun. I also have a little note

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that I was given by Joe from eighty four Lumber.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
He was at the party, Yeah, and he gave me
a note that.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Says, Josh, it's Joe from eighty four Lumber. You are
Innis to Menace and your sidekick is Jockstrap James.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Okay, I'll take you whatever they call me what you
want to.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Just keep writing those checks Innis to Menace and Jockstrap James.
Also for the Monday song can you play Trapped Headstrong?
You guys are the best show. Keep rocking. Also, Dave
and Chuck the Freak are two gay guys from Florida. Wow.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
That was And by the way, that's news to me.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
That's a new one to me. I mean, you know
him fairly well. But according to Joe from eighty four Lumber,
David Chuck the Freak or two gay guys from Florida,
ay man, who am I to argue with Joe from
eighty four Lumber. He has sources, He's got sources. Obviously,
Joe is tapped in. That's what the word is on
the lumber mill. I guess Joe from eighty four Lumber
is tapped in and he says Dave and Chuck the

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Freak or two gay guys from Florida's We Live In
saying that I read it about them for years, even
when I was with him, So so maybe there's some
truth to I don't know. Look, who do you think
was on there spreading all that? Probably Joe from eighty
four Lumber because he's got sources. But Joe said, hey,
could you get us rocked and loaded this morning with Headstrong?
And I said, fine, Joe from eighty four Lumber, that's

(04:43):
the whole point of this bit.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
For you to request a song every morning.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
No one doesn't, but Joe, Who's done it like three
times now here it is good morning friends, Let's.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Go the Josh inn Is show.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Sport WHOA How about the the Lions yesterday? Just a
thorough ass kicking of the Commanders. It was forty four
to twenty two, and I don't believe the game was
actually that close. The biggest story that came out of
the game is that Dan Campbell took over the offensive
play calling duties. What I love is that people were

(05:18):
speculating about it online, like the like Pro Football Talks
and people like that. We're putting out posts it is
believe that Dan Campbell has taking over play calling duties,
but we're just speculating. Then you'd see him on the
sideline with the big play big Yes, I'm I'm fairly
certain he's calling the plays. I usually don't see Dan

(05:40):
Campbell holding the gigantic waffle house menu of play, so
it was obvious he was calling the play.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Never seen his glasses on either, No, And that was.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Kind of that.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
So that kind of was the dead giveaway.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
But the question is why why did the Lions make
that change? And Dan Campbell tells us.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
I know what I want to do, I know how
I want to do it. Now that being said, this
is a collaborative effort. Now, I mean I was taking
input from John Morton that whole time and the other coaches.
So hey, man, what do you think here? Third down?

Speaker 3 (06:09):
All right?

Speaker 5 (06:09):
We get into this third and seven plus blah blah
blah blah, all right, where are we at? Give me
to So this is uh man, this is this is
all encompassing.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I get all that, but it's got to feel emasculating
and terrible to lose your play calling job like that. Like,
see me when I lose my jobs, I just get fired.
So I've never been in a situation where someone's been like, hey,
you're gonna stay employed, but you're no longer getting to
do the things you enjoyed doing. You have to do
all of the other stuff and get none of the
glory or none of the fun. Normally, it's just go away,

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get out of here. We don't want you here anymore.
We'll mail you all your stuff at your desk, yes exactly,
we will drop it off at your house. But that's so.
I've never been in a situation where I've been demoted.
So being demoted has.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
To be the worst. You'd almost be like.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Just fire me, like like, I'll take the money that
i'll get you firing me, and I'll move on, because
getting demoted from a job that like I just got
him the offensive play caller. I'm replacing Ben Johnson, which
has already gotta be tough because everybody fawns over this
Ben Johnson, and now you're coming in following this guy,
and then everybody's dumping on you, and then the coach
is like, yes, it turns out all those people dumping

(07:18):
on your right. So we're gonna demote you. But you
still get to sit there and give me input. God,
that's gotta be the worst.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Is that what you read from what Dan Campbell said.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
All of that? Yeah, look, did you not hear that?

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Did you?

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Sounded like he was being a little more like because
he about it because he has to be. He is
Team Blair. He's the ones to win. He's here to
do a job, a job.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
He can't get up there and say, well, he was
doing a crappy job, so I had to come in
and put on the big boy pants and take care fair.
But he couldn't do that, so of course he did
you to drop that news. Yeah, you ever see those
people that are hired to fire people? There was a
George Clooney movie and it just didn't happen a lot anymore,
But there was a Georgey movie where he plays this

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guy who business is hired to fire their people. Like
they fly him in and he handles firing people. It's
a real thing. I mean, it's not like some wacky
like Johnny Knoxville comedy or like a what do they
call it, a hatchet man or an axe man or
some kind of like they bring him in and they
sit them down. They like mass fire people like, well,
we're bringing you in because your position is no longer
necessary he or.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Whatever, like the Bobs from a yes Bobs.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
So that would be like me. I'd be the Bobs
they bring me in there and be like listen, John,
and I'd be even less diplomatic than they are when
the Bobs were. I can only imagine, Hey, John, what
is it that you say it is you do here? John?
And then well Dan's gonna take over the play calling
duties now, John.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
So where do they leave you? Why don't you bringing
to the table.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Everybody who's still calling plays? Still step forward? Not so fast, John, Yeah, Hey, hey, John,
gonna need just step back just to Tad and.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Seed up in that press box where they sit with
the binoculars.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Now, things did work out very well. Jared Goff three
twenty and three touchdowns. Jamior Gibbs Off his worst game
of the year, ran for one hundred and forty two
yards and two scores. Jamison Williams had one hundred yards
second half and one hundred and nineteen overall. So obviously
Dan did something right. Scored on every drive, I know,
every drive.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
You scored four.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
It's gotta suck. So because you're John Morton, You're like,
damn it. Yeah, whoops, damn you. And you know that
Dan's out there really trying to make it look really good,
just to just to not to deliberately shove.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
It up your ass.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
But you know it's like, damn you did you have
to go out and score forty four and put up
five hundred something yards of offense the day that you
demote me, you sign up a bitch.

Speaker 6 (09:44):
Or he should be like, well, hey, yeah, he ticks
off the play calls when we play the Commanders. Oooh good, sure,
I mean that would be my take on it if
I was the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Oh yeah, big deal, Oh yeah, big coach?

Speaker 6 (09:57):
Nick it over a while we played the Commando against
the Tree, Then tell me about it.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Why did you take some of the tough ones? Why
don't you take over when we play the Eagle? Oh
next week, Hey, next week, let's see how big and
bad you are. The thing is, when Dan Campbell puts
on those glasses, he flips a switch. Yeah, there's definitely
a level of a switch that gets flipped. I think
that I think that's his nine. I think when he
puts on those glasses, he becomes nine. He flips his

(10:24):
hat around like stallone and now he's ready to go.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
What I do is I just try to take my
hat and I turn it around and it's like a
switch that goes on and.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Then boom and all of a sudden they put up
five hundred yards of offense. There you go. All right,
So eight o'clock, we do have a big announcement, a
big radio station announcement coming up at eight o'clock, so
you want to tune in for that.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
We have a lot to do today. We are loaded
with stuff to do it.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
So, by the way, today is the day, oh I've
been finz Gerald day, fiftieth anniversary of the day that
twenty nine men perished because the gales of November came early.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
This is a very big day. You know, we have
to celebrate that.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
And of course the you know, the thirtieth bell has
to ring for mister Gordon Lightfoot who died a couple
of years ago. So big day, big day. It's finally here,
all right, Josh Innis show the Josh in this show.

Speaker 7 (11:14):
One of six point seven WLV Detroit's wheels.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
One of six point seven Detroit's wheels. That is the
outfield your love. Got a big announcement coming up at
eight o'clock. You're gonna want to.

Speaker 8 (11:25):
Be here for that.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Don't miss it. Today is a very significant day. It
was fifty years ago, fifty years ago that twenty nine
men perished. I tell you all, my Instagram is now
is Edmund Fitzgerald context. I'm getting a lot of it

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popping up on my stuff now too. See see it's changed.
It used to just be Tate mccray's ass. That's what
used to pop up on mine all the time. Now
my algorithm is totally shifted to Gordon Lightfoot. That's an
interesting shift because I'm used to scrolling, scrolling, Oh, Tate
mccray's ass, Sabrina carpenter's ass, just random people's asses whatever.

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Now it is no longer Tate McCray, none of that.
It is now just the Edmund fitzgerald's And I'm okay
with that. I think I needed that. I needed that cleansing.
You less horned up now? Oh no, I'm even more.
Oh wow, Edmund realized the Gerald got hot and bothered.
So I tried a last Thursday, I tried this Edmund

(12:32):
Fitzgerald porter that.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
We talked about.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
It was good. So I got that going for me.
And then today is the big day though, this is
the fiftieth anniversary of the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
He going over to Bellisle ll check out that museum.
I should.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
There's so many things I'd like to do. I was
so I drunkenly watched this documentary on Saturday night because
I heard that there was a scene in this documentary
when they sent down like a little thing that was,
you know, like a.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Little sabrine the deal to like a film Underwater Drone
thirty years ago.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
They did this, and apparently they accidentally saw one of
the dead bodies down there. Oh really, So I watched
this whole damn thing and I never saw this dead body.
And I was really pissed that I watched this fifty
minute documentary and never saw a dead body. But it
was on YouTube. It's called Shipwreck, and it was a
documentary about the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
And I never saw a dead body.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
But apparently from what I was reading that when you're
dealing with the Great Lakes and the temperature of the
Great Lakes, a lot of bodies don't decompose in them.
Because it's so cold, so those bodies in theory I
think could still be floating down there.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Wow, hot damn.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Why I'd say I am so old and white it's
not even funny. Well, did you drink an Edmund Fitzgerald
themed beer?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Okay, you know, I think that's number one with a
bullet right there, that old white guy.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Yeah, yeah, that checks out.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
That's it. That's my old white.

Speaker 7 (14:01):
I go in.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
I watched my Edmund Fitzgerald documentaries. I drank Edmund Fitzgerald
theme beer. My Instagram is now nothing, it's just pregnant
with Edmund Fitzgerald. Real can roll in here tomorrow with
the Edmund Fitzgerald Museum from Belle Isisle t shirt and
a solid white pair of New Balance. There you go,
there you go? Yeah, I get custom made Edmund Fitzgerald

(14:23):
dad shoes.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
That sounds pretty sweet though, like a pair of white.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
New Balance blue outline with the Edmund Fitzgerald with like
the lyrics from some lyrics. Yes, you know what I
gotta do. I gotta get a lyric tattoo. Wow down
my side there like a girl with daddy issues that
puts like deep you know, Chinese lettering. Across her side,
or lyrics from follow Boy, or lyrics for that I'm
not saying about your wife. But yes, I think there's

(14:54):
a very good possibility that, like my next tattoo, because
I have one tat I'm not like you, like Travis Barker.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Over here, just tat it up all over, like spend
a lot of money. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
So I've got one tattoo and it's of my dead
dog's paw, not the actual size, by the way, because
it's like this huge thing and people will ask, was
that your dog's actual paul, Like, would you have a
dire wolf? Wow? Holy cow? Like no, it's it's the
same pauw, just blown up. But maybe that'll be my

(15:26):
next move, Is I get an Edmund Fitzgerald tattoo? Because
I'm in Yeah, I am so deep in the Edmund
Fitzgerald world right now. Is there's some kind of symbolic
image of the Edmund Fitzgerald you know, like it's gotta
be one of the deeper lyrics from the song, you.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Know, like you know they would have made it to
I forgot what it was.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
If they would have put fifteen more miles behind or
or something like that. I would just like the Gales
of November. Remember, Oh, that'd be a good one. Now,
that'd be a solid tat the Gales of November. Remember
to do that right across your chest, yes, you know,
like right across your chest. And then if you want it,
you can get some sort of like a jolly Roger,

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like a pirate flag or.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
Something underneath it, you know, to kind of butchered up
a bit.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
I'm gonna butch it up with a jolly Roger. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, it's gonna be a sweet tattoo.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Dude. I know a guy, so it's gonna be hot.
My my Edmund Fitzgerald slash Jolly Roger tattooed.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
I know a guy that could nail this tattoo.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
It's as if the the Edmund Fitzgerald were captained by
Jack Sparrow. Sure, it's what it is.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
It's a reimagining.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
It's a reimagining of the Edmund Fitzgerald more of a
modern take on it. See if they would have made
Titanic but on the Edmund Fitzgerald, it would have been
even bigger than it was. Everybody's old Titanic leoh blah
blah blah. If they would have put that movie on
the Edmund Fitzgerald. I think it would have changed a
lot of things. That's all I'm saying. All right, well,
come man, everybody. Eight seven seven nine eight eight one

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oh six seven eight seven seven nine eight eight one
oh six seven. That is the phone number. You can
text the word Josh and your message to five one
eight eight one eight o'clock today gigantic earth shattering announcement
and know that it's not some cover band is touring.
It's actually big news. Well six point seven Detroits Wheels,

(17:20):
Josh Andy Show, Josh and James today. Hanu, I got
a text here that says you'r Edmund Fitzgerald. Tattoo should
include the line about get Chagumi. Ah, so that would
be the opening line of the song, which is the
legend lives on from the chibuon down of the big
lake they called get Chagumi. Is that some sort of

(17:42):
Native American name for the lake? I think it is.
But yes, so perhaps maybe that'll be the line my
Edmund Fitzgerald tattoo I get here. They might accuse you
of a cultural appropriation there, that's true, but you know what,
I'd suffer that for the Edmund that they need me.
They need to honor the tow nine men who perished
and Gordon Lightfoot because Gordon Lightfoot, you died a couple

(18:05):
of years ago. So actually my dad said he saw
Gordon Lightfoot probably a year before he died, right, And
they brought him up to intro him at this concert
and he's like, Gordon basically looked at him and was like,
shut the f up, and it's like, I do want
to rock and.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
He's gonna play my song and get out of here.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, he well, you.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Say, play a song. This guy, prolific songwriter, should be
in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But they
had to make space for Chubby Checker and Cindy Lauper,
So I couldn't put Gordon Lightfoot in the rock and
Roll Hall of Fame. Those sons of bitches.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Was even on the bills this year.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Probably not, I would imagine he's not because Cindy Lauper
is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and
I'm one of the greatest songwriters to ever walk the
face of the earth. Oh but Chubby Checker, who's twisted again,
He's in the rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but
not Gordon Lightfoot man. If Gordon Lightfoot was on the
Goonies soundtrack, maybe he'd be in the rock holl Okay,
I can't dispute that. I cannot. I mean, think about

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the people who are on the Goony soundtrack that dreing
the rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Cyndi Lauper. I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
I don't know that anybody else is on there. I
feel like there's gotta be a couple more.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I don't know if there's anybody. I can't remember any
other songs on the Goony soundtrack other than Goonies are
good enough.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
La La La La La la are e o speed Wagon.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
They're not in the rock I don't believe they are,
and they probably shouldn't be. Bengals now that's a crime
that the Bengals aren't in there. The Bengals are on
the Goony soundtracks. This is a track by them called
I Got Nothing, Oh Dude. Susannah Hoff's super hot and
the music's good too. A little eternal flame, a little
walk like an Egyptian, little hazy.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Shade of winter. There's a Luther Vandro song, He's so
good to Me. That's a there.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
He might be.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
He's a pimp. Well he's dead now, but he was
a pimp. All that matters is.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
That Gordon Lightfoot is not in the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame, but Cindy Lauper is. And I think
that's a crime. I'm not one to bitch about something
that's trivial as the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
But this man wrote some of the greatest songs of
all time, including arguably the greatest story song of all time,
the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. And he is not

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in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And I
think that's wrong. I think that's a tragedy. Anyway, speaking
of a tragedy, we just saw a story about a
man in China who tried to make his own dentures.
Oh you know, I thought the Chinese were all supposed
to be smarter than us, But the population as big
as China, there's bound to be a few dummies in there.
Someone's gonna slip through the cracks. They're like, ah, there's

(20:40):
a couple of bad apples over in China. When there's
five billion of them, there's at least one. They can't
all just be good at man, they can't be he's
the one that got kept out of Harvard. Actually, I
think like it.

Speaker 7 (20:52):
Or not, this is the josh in his show, one
of six point seven w LZ Detroit Wheels, The Josh
Inn Show Sports.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
Alight, let's see what we got here.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Well, the biggest story of the day would be that
the Lions just smoked the Commander Skins yesterday, final score
of forty four to twenty two. They dominated offensively, defensively,
they were very good. It was just a dominant performance overall.
How did that happen? Well, Dan Campbell took over the

(21:30):
offensive play calling studios from John Morton and that became
one of the big stories of the day. That and
the fact that some of the players did the Trump
dance after touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
To see that, and that's that upset some people.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Now, yeah, one of the players I think went and
slapped Saint Brown. Oh yeah, I didn't see that. It
was a clip. Let me speak and find the clip of.
So somebody slapped Saint Brown for doing the Trump dance.
That's what That's what, at least that's what they posted
on Facebook. Really, and that's the story that they're trying
to say. They showed a shot of I'm on, Saint,
come on, you know what I'm talking about. Yes, the

(22:06):
Egyptian guy with his also German, same brown Brown, I'm on, Ross,
Saint Brown doing the trump dance. Then it shows him
running and then one of the Commander players came up
and slapped them right on the helmet. But here's the thing.
Then one of the Commander's players did the same thing later.
Come on. Granted he was some white guy, so that's
to be expected. But yeah, so both of them did it.

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I think there were two Trump dance touchdown celebrations in
one game. So anyway, back to Dan Campbell. We'll get
into that later. But Dan Campbell called the plays. There
was all this speculation on the internet. Is Dan Campbell
calling the plays? Then they would show him on the
sideline cooking up plays on the place sheet with the glasses,
and my man is cooking up plays.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
He was calling the plays. But why why was this
change made?

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Dan?

Speaker 5 (22:55):
I know what I want to do, I know how
I want to do it. Now that being said, this
is a collaborative effort. Now, I mean I was taking,
you know, input from John Morton that whole time and
the other coaches. So hey, man, what do you think
here third down? All right, we get into this third
and seven plug blahlah blah blah blah. All right, where
are we at? Give me the So this is uh, man,
this is this is all encompassing.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
All encompassing. He says. Now, here's the other part of this.
What does this mean for John Morton? Because that's got
to be emasculating, right, Like, I feel bad for the guy.
You lose your plate calling John like eight games into
it after replacing Ben Johnson.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
But he'll definitely puck us up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I think, Oh, that sucks. It definitely sucks. So here
is uh, here's Dan Campbell talking about making that switch,
and hey, look I still need Johnny Morton.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
Like John, That's what I'm saying. Like John is vital
to me, all right. He gives me critical information that
deals with the past game. And you know that number
one is his his baby. Man, that's just bread and butter.
It's one of the things he does well. And so man,
I'm uh up, I'm I think that's the best I

(24:05):
can say. Man, he's good. I'm glad he's here.

Speaker 8 (24:08):
This is not.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
You know, I don't I don't know what you want
me to say I got nothing. It's like, oh no,
it's like me trying to get my foot out of
my mouth. I forgot I said something like something inappropriate.
Oh yeah. Some guy coming into the party on Saturday
had a little like a case. I'm like, what do
you got? You bring in a drone? You're bringing in
your babe? What is that?

Speaker 1 (24:29):
No?

Speaker 4 (24:30):
This is my insulin or my apologies, sir, I.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Don't know what you want me to do, life life
saying chemicals that you need to injecting your body to
stay alive. I'm just I'm sorry here. I'm thinking you're
just coming to get high at our party. That's like
how he was reacting to that question. Was my reaction
to that, gentleman, He's like, it's my insulin. Oh h
print it in, sir, Come on man, let me know.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Can I help you get an injection?

Speaker 2 (25:00):
You know, I don't know what you want me to say.
I don't know what you want me to.

Speaker 9 (25:05):
Say, dude, I thought it was a vape. I've seeing
some fancy vapes in cases like that. So bad for
this job Ward, You.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Know, I don't know what you want me to say.
He LED's a thirty second piece of audio where he's
trying to say something nice, like he's like, well, I
mean like he look, he likes passing the ball. That's
his baby, and he helps me out. But uh, like,
just listen to the number of stutters and stammers and
the like John.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
That's what I'm saying, Like, John is vital to me,
all right. He gives me critical information that deals with
the pass game.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
And now he could have stopped right there ten seconds in.
He could have stopped to me like, he gives me
vital information as it relates to the pass game. And
it's like okay, cool, but it's like, no, I got
to add more. I feel like John needs more.

Speaker 5 (25:52):
You know that number one is his his baby, man,
that's his bread and butter. That's one of the things
he does well.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
And so man, I'm now we're like, he gone, he's gone.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
I think that's the best I can say. Man, he's good.
I'm glad he's here.

Speaker 8 (26:10):
This is not.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
You know, I don't I don't know what you want
me to say.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Oh yeah, I don't know what you want me to say.
That says it all so good.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
He's like, I mean, I'm glad he's I'm glad he's here.
I don't know to tell you. Look, I'm glad he's here. Guys,
that's the best I can do for you here is Look,
I'm glad he's here.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
I think that's the best I can say. Man, he's good.
I'm glad he's here.

Speaker 8 (26:34):
This is not.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
You know, I don't. I don't know what you want
me to say.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
That's Casey talking about me all the time.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
And Casey gets in front of the salespeople like, what
what is it you like about the Josh Inshell, like,
what does Josh do?

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Well?

Speaker 5 (26:48):
I think that's the best I can say. Man, he's good.
I'm glad he's here.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
This is not.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
You know.

Speaker 8 (26:54):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I don't know what you want me to say. I
feel so bad for this guy. I feel so bad
for Johnny Morton. He's like, look, you got the job.
You got demoted from the job, which sucks.

Speaker 8 (27:08):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
And now the coaches up there trying to explain to
people like, hey, like, you got demoted, but does he
still serve a purpose in his demotion? And you got
the coach up there, and he's like, well, he is
the best I can say. Man, He's literally the best
he can say is he goes. The best I can
say is the guy really knows about he helps me
with the passing game.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
And that's his baby. Man, that's his bread and butter.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Man. And that's about the best I can say. I
think that's the best I can say. Man, Like, he
literally said nothing. He didn't go. This guy's a hell
of an offensive coach. I just did this because I'm
a little bit you know, I just I got a
wild hair up in my ass. Blah blah blah blah blah. No,
he knows about the passing game. And let me tell you, man,
he uh that's his baby. Okay, that's his bread and butter.

(27:50):
I think that's the best I can say. Man, he's good.
I'm glad he's here.

Speaker 8 (27:54):
This is not.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
You know, I don't I don't know what you want
me to say. That's like Forrest Gump every time he'd
have some law. That's all I have to say about that.
That's basically what you got there. So but offensively, they
did dominate in the game yesterday. There's no question there.
Three hundred and twenty passing yards for Jared Goff, three touchdowns,
no picks. This quarterback reading if you care about such things.

(28:16):
One thirty five point nine. Jamiir Gibbs ran for one
hundred and forty two yards on fifteen carries. David Montgomery
ran for seventy one yards on fifteen carries. Jamison Williams
ad the best game of his year. Six catches, one
hundred nineteen yards and a touchdown. It was a dominant
offensive performance, and that is.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
All I have to say.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
That's the best I can say.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
Man, I think I can thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
All right, So coming up eight o'clock we have a
big announcement, a gigantic, huge announcement.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
Huge.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
If you want to speculate, feel free send us a text.
Text the word Josh and your message to five one
eight eight one. All right, that's how you get in
with the show. You can also call eight seven seven
nine eight one oh six seven a gigantic radio station
announcement on the way one o six point seven. D
Troy's wield. That is the Smashing Pumpkins. That is disarmed,

(29:09):
William Patrick Corgan. That is his band. I'm Josh, he
is James. Hello, glad you guys are with us. We
have a big announcement coming up at eight o'clock today
on the radio station. Why is Doug Podell wandering around
the station this? I guess that adds to the intrigue.
Maybe Doug is transitioning. Oh wow, we don't know. There's

(29:29):
big announcements all over the place. But we don't know.
But Doug will be uh, he's up here wandering around.
Every now and then he'll do that like every rare.
Once in a while, Doug will be up here and
he'll bring donuts, like one day he brought donuts. I
don't know if he's doing that today or what he's
up here for. But maybe he's part of this big announcement.
I don't know, but we have a big announcement coming

(29:49):
up at eight o'clock. So we'll see if Doug can
pronounce Aman Ross Saint Brown in the right order, in
the right order, Sat Brown, I'm on raw. He's Egyptian
in German. So we'll see if he can do that
as well. But if you want to get your speculation in,
you can text the word Josh and your message to
five one eight eight one. I'm looking at some of

(30:11):
the text messages that are coming in from people. Is
the big announcement that Casey's ass got fired? Now you're
free to kick ass. I'm gonna say that's never gonna happen. Actually,
Casey kind of gives off untouchable vibes. Yeah, absolutely, if
you ain't been fired yet. I mean it's like, hey,
we put the Birmingham Morning Show on for four years

(30:32):
and I'm still here. I think he's teflon at this point.
I think. But so, yes, so that is not it.
Casey is wonderful, so he will not be getting fired.
I feel confident that's not the answer. Again, I don't
know all the details of the answer, so I don't know.
But there's a big announcement coming up at eight o'clock
here on the radio station. And from what I've been told,

(30:55):
it is earth shattering, earth shattering, earth shattering. It's gonna
change lives today. That's bigger than anything Metallica is going
to be doing exactly. Friends, take that, Lars earth shattering.
So text the word Josh and your message to five
one eight eight one, five to one eight eight one
if you want to text in, and that will give
us an opportunity to read your little text messages and

(31:17):
we can find out what you think is going to happen.
At eight o'clock. There's no need to go anywhere else
because this will change your life. And this is an
actual announcement, not like the one that was leaked like
four days before we had to make the announcement. Yeah,
this is an actual which was that the Food Fighters.
They're like dumbasses on the air, be like we got
a big concert announcement, and everybody in the comments is like,
we know it's the Food Fighters, and we're over here

(31:42):
because of all these different you know, rules and relationships.
We're like, I can't wait to find out what it is.
What it could be, James, Let's let's wow boy. Someone
thinks it might be Alice Cooper. Wow. I don't know
if it's had a lot of Metallica comments, a lot
of Metallica comments. I think Metallicals coming to town. You
think that's the news. But then I like, because there'll
be one or two comments from someone who's convinced they

(32:02):
know what it is, like they're defiant and it's not
even close to that. Like those are my favorites, Like everybody, Yeah,
come on, guys, we know metallicas touring and you're like, dude,
that's not the an you want to be, Like dude,
that's not the answer you show you just for sure
Metallica's coming to Detroit and we're two nights and like,
we're like, dude, just google it. The answers out there.
We're just not allowed to say it for some reason.

(32:23):
But anyway, so eight o'clock there will be a big, giant,
huge earth shattering announcement here on the radio station at
eight o'clock. Uh so you're gonna want to be here
for that, and we'll have some more rock and roll
coming up for you on wheels. It's the Josh in
a show on one.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Who's six point seven DOUBLELLZ Detroit Wheels, Well.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Six point seven Detroit's Wheels Josh and a show, big
announcement about twenty minutes from now. Doug walked in and
he's like, people are blowing up my phone. They want
to know what the big announcement is. Yeah, I'm like,
I don't know, Doug. I can't tell you anything. I
am sworn to secrecy. Well i'll tell you, although I
don't know it either. So I don't want to be
the one that's awaking into the doc rock up.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
In the morning. I'm telling you that right now. He's
a night Owl.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
From what I understand, you know, I do have text
messages coming in from people who are trying to guess
what it is. Some of the guesses about what the
big announcement is at eight o'clock. Let's see, is the
announcement that Mariah Carey will be adding Santa Claus has
got the aids to her Christmas concert.

Speaker 10 (33:21):
Santa Claus has got the aids this year she does.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
That'd be huge, right, she does, like All I Want
for Christmas is You, And then the encore is Santa
Claus got it. They think she's done. They're like, wait
a minute, she Mariah Carey just wrapped up with All
I Want for Christmas is Use. They assume it's over.
But then she does another on save the Best for last,
Like the lights go down and like to do the
thing at a concert where there's an encorese you just got.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Their phones out with the lights on the phone, and.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
People sense that there's going to be another on course
that it's like ye's clapping. I'm assuming too, it's a
Christmas theme concert where they're shaking their jingle bells, you know,
And then what happens is gradually the members of the
band start working their way back on to stage and
the dark so you know another song is coming. And
then somebody just walks out instead of with a guitar though,

(34:09):
has just standing there with a ukulele. Spotlight drops onto
Mariah and then.

Speaker 10 (34:15):
Santa Claus has got the aids this year, but in
her voice, in her voice won't Christmas?

Speaker 4 (34:24):
She was not original enough to have this song written
for her.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
They know what he's going through. Santa Claus has got.

Speaker 10 (34:34):
The ads this year.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Boy, if one of these artists, like if I don't know,
Nelly could do that at jingle Ball, Oh my god,
could Shine down out there they do like symptom of
being human and monster and all that stuff, and then
they come out and do it. We need to get
Brent from Shine down in here and we'll be like, listen, Brent,
what do we have to do to have you do?
Santa Claus has got the aids this year at our
jingle Ball, Shit, what's it gonna take? Just let me know.

(34:58):
We'll grease your palm. We're not afraid to grease your palms.
Pal We'll get right, We'll do whatever it takes. Wink wink,
wink wink, whatever it takes. And by that we mean
maybe somebody's pizza gift cards. If we have those, Mojo
may have all those.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
We're gonna give you whatever gift cards we have.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Do you want to come to next year's Toolbox party,
Brent from Shine Down, come on, We'll get you in.
But all you have to do is our our song.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
We'll even make sure you get raffle tickets with the
prizes like.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
They're coming out of second chance, like.

Speaker 11 (35:30):
Sometimes good bye jams, like here's one for my buddy
tiny Tim.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Be so confused. The confusion, the mass confusion is what
would just sell it to me? And then like for
some reason, Meltdown is in the crowd.

Speaker 12 (35:50):
It's like, that's that goddamn song. It won't stop, make
it stop. They're haunting my dream. It was the first
of Christmas music in Detroit. Me, not those bastards.

Speaker 10 (36:05):
Yeah, Santa Claus has got the aids this year.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
The greatest jingle ball ever. It would like I've heard
Tony Travado, who you know runs Channel nine five to
five and all these other stations up here. He's the
programming wizard up here, not the wizard of Wacky. Of course,
that's different wizard, different different school of the wizard wizard.
For Rag, he's in a different wizarding world. But he's like, well,
you know, we had that big jingle Ball one year

(36:29):
that that you know, jelly Roll was there and Tim
McCray was the biggest jingle Ball ever. If Brent from
Shinedown did, Santa Claus has got the aids this year,
this year's jingle Ball biggest in the history of jingle Ball.
The only thing that would make it bigger is if
the K pop demon Hunters did. Santa Claus has got
the AIDS this year. I think we can get that

(36:50):
translated to them. Yeah, I think we can. They just
be Korean. Who's the Who's the other big K pop
band that was? Who am I thinking of? Who was
the big K pop band? I'm trying to think of
it because they could sing a few songs in English too.
I mean, all you got to do is teach them
the words of the song in English. That's all they
need to know. How am I drawing a blank on
who the big K pop band was? I feel stupid now,

(37:11):
but one of the K pop bands could come out
there and do Santa Claus has got the aids this
year at jingle Ball and that would be huge. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
I can't even find their name anymore. I know what
you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
It.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
I can't believe I'm like the male boy band S
Club seven. No, that's not I mean they had Toison McDonald's.
My son kept. I can't believe. I feel stupid not
knowing this, and I should know just really quick. Good BTS, BTS, BTS.
Fun fact about BTS. BTS had a really good song
with Coldplay. Really BTS. Yes, this seems ridiculous. I'm fully

(37:46):
aware that you would say there's no way that bid
that BTS. I had a good song with Coldplay, and
I'm trying to Higher Power was the name. I think
that was no way. I'm wrong. Hold on, well, there
was a song that Coldplay did with BT. Yes, it
wasn't called Higher Power, but it was something BTS and
cold Play. It was called what the hell was this

(38:08):
song called? Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought I thought
there was a K pop band that did a song
with Coldplay. Maybe was about four years ago. Yes, look
up my universe, my universe is that what it was called?
That's what I have coming up? BTS, Coldplay, my Universe, Coldplay,
this is well, there's the bt okay radio. Okay, let's
try this. I talk amongst yourselves. Either this yor you're

(38:30):
gonna hear the reck of the Edmund Fitzgerald again. Pick
your poison. Alright, let's see here. Uh is this the
song Oh Yeah you are minutis just want to put
you first? ECU. My wife hated this and I was like,
this is the best song I've ever heard. It's BTS

(38:51):
and Coldplay. This is why all those people on Facebook
are like, get that gay guy off the radio. Er
thought about you. And though I think both the Facebook
likes you slightly more than they like me, they really
hate me. I made the mistake of looking at our
our Facebook's fun. Yeah, it's people that like it. I

(39:11):
made the mistake of looking at the station Facebook yesterday.
They want me dead.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Well.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
I think the people that are calling for your head
are the if you look at their Facebook profile picture,
you can understand it. Just a nut. There's one guy
on there that I might have been a lady. I
can't tell because the pictures.

Speaker 11 (39:28):
Of Charlie Kirk, your profile pictures of Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
And this person's like that guy is a Trump hater,
and I'm like, ask Casey. Casey thinks I'm the opposite.
He's like, people think you're maga. I'm like, not that person.
Dead person thinks I'm the opposite. So I guess I'm
doing it right. It's a Casey I'm doing it wrong
because I'm always doing it wrong. But anyway, I guess
I should play some rock and roll because we're just

(39:53):
fourteen minutes away from this big announcement and I've been
playing BTS and Coldplay and it could just be a clue.
We makeing an announcement about BTS coming to town. Actually,
Doug is the newest member of BTS's up here to
let everybody know, Doug engratulations though, Doug is one of
the K pop demon hunters. Wow, that's a big deal
that's coming up though. An announcement at eight o'clock and

(40:15):
we have got r e M. Now it's the one
I love on the Motor City's wheels, one of those
six point seven Detroit's wheels. Josh Show. All right, I'm
looking at some of these text messages people trying to
guess what the big announcement is today. We have an
announcement coming up in less than ten minutes anything. Dorothy

(40:36):
is joining the show.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
I wish. I think that'd be a great move on
our part, because some.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
People say, like, oh, you guys at a woman on
the show to balance out, Well, what about a damn grandma?
That would really balance us. The thing is, she's probably
more vulgar than us. Dorothy seem like she could get
down when we saw her.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
She knows how to party. She partied hard at the
Toolbox party on Saturdays.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
The guy I met claimed to be Dorothy's husband, and
some guy I meant he was at a slot machine
sitting outside of the he was even at the party.
He may have been at some point, I don't know,
but he was sitting in when I left. He was
sitting at a slot machine. He's like that Northeast something.
I'm like, yeah, he's a that's my wife. And I
was like haha, He's like, no, really, that's my wife.
And I thought he was gonna like kick my ass

(41:19):
or what you're saying. You heard those films? Take my
wife up your room? Huh oh, yeah what you want? Yeah,
you can't have her. She's mine, spoking for sir, She's
spoking for this ring means something. Yeah, years and years
we've been together and her plumbing don't work anyway, what

(41:40):
sir is playing the Buffalo machine and watch yourself. Uh,
let's see. Uh could it be Alice Cooper's last ride tour?
I don't know if Alice Cooper coming to Detroit for
the four thousandth time would be everybody tune in at
eight for the big announcement worth shattering. They said it
was earth shattering, so I don't know earth shattering news.

(42:01):
So I don't know that it's Alice Cooper's last ride tour.
So I don't know. Yes, we're gonna have to find out.
But I know that Doug is why we'll have to
get Dug in here for this too. I don't know
why he's out. I think he was recording some commercials
or something. I don't know, but he was up here
wandering around. Maybe Doug can come hang out. I just
like having dougtories anyway. Yeah, the rumors of he and

(42:22):
Stevie Nicks fornicate, and I don't know why this was
the official symbol for I mean, that's a different kind
of fortiication. Yeah, there's so I don't even know what
that meant usually means tipped the tip. No, actually, I
take that back. It wasn't Stevie Nicks. It was, Okay,
it was, But no, there are I don't think there's

(42:44):
any truth to the rumors of Doug and Mick Fleetwood.
So now, yeah, I don't. I'm not positive on that one.
So I guess we'll have to find out about that.
But AnyWho, So that's coming up in just moments. Here
you will get a big announcement from the radio station.
It is coming up right.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
Here on Wheels.

Speaker 7 (43:03):
It's a Josh Innis show on one of six point
seven w.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
LZ Detroit's Wheels. All right, here we go. It is
eight oh two on Detroit's Wheels. I am Josh, he
is James. Doug Podell has made his way in here.
Good morning. And we brought Doug in here actually because
Doug has been doing radio for fifty years and there's
a very knowledgeable radio person, so we wanted to have
Doug in here to break the news to him that

(43:30):
Doug actually Detroit's Wheels is going country done that one
six point seven w w W. Hey, you guys better
pray to God that never.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Happens to you.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Don't worry. I've got lots of audio of you on
the country right over here. She'll tell you, well, if
it makes the money, we'll be playing polka soon. So
that's what we brought. We brought right, everybody's favorite, the
Chicken Nam. We're playing regional Mexican on one oh six
point seven, La Collie anday uh. Anyway, now Doug is

(44:09):
up here. Doug has an announcement to make for everybody.
Mister doctor of rock, the floor is sir.

Speaker 13 (44:14):
Listen, you've built this up all morning. I don't know
that I can live up to it. But tomorrow is
my birthday. Tomorrow I'm going to be seventy three years old,
and it is my fiftieth year, as you mentioned. And
today is the day that I've decided to pull the
plug and retire in broadcasting. And I want to say,

(44:40):
right off the bat, and especially to this lady right here,
Colleen Grant, thank you so much for letting me actually
retire with respect and with all the love that you
guys could give, because already Casey and Tony have said, hey,
anytime you want to come back, come back.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
But it's time. It really is time.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
And as cliche as it sounds you do know when
you know?

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (45:14):
That's interesting, Like, I'm curious, how did you know?

Speaker 14 (45:17):
You just do?

Speaker 13 (45:18):
It's just, uh, it's a feeling inside timings everything right.
So of course fifty years you don't get points for
fifty one and two.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
You know the fact that I am in my seventies,
which shocks a lot of people. No, you're you get
around man, like you're you're more active than I am.
I see the stuff you're out doing. I'm sleep when
you're doing all the stuff you're doing out there introing
random bands, You're like, hey, I'm dug, I'm out of

(45:50):
here from deep Well last when you know when when
it starts to hurt when you get up the next day.
It didn't used to hurt as much. But a lot
of people don't know this. But over the past year,
my wife has been very ill. Now thankfully she has
come all the way back and we're very happy and

(46:15):
I am just feeling so blessed that she's like at
ninety percent herself again. That's great news.

Speaker 13 (46:23):
That's great and that is great news because we went
to hell and back and that's another story for another day.
But the fact that we can enjoy you know, our
senior years together.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
That sounds too old. Don't say senior years. I don't
view you as a senior. You're prime right now, You're prime.
You're basically Dorothy's age, if for. But I don't consider
you a senior.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Well, I've had a lot of work done over the years,
as you know in radio. Yeah, well you don't even
got those silver sneaker just.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, Doug, no, no, So obviously you're talking about how
your wife was doing poorly. Now she's doing great. You
came in the other day and you're like, it's amazing,
It's like a miracle, right, And you told me that
that's how you kind of view this as this is
a sign that I need to go enjoy life here
at the end of this thing.

Speaker 13 (47:17):
I think it is, and stop talking of led Zeppelin records. Well,
I think it is, I really do. But I also
think that most importantly, it's been my fiftieth year. And
you don't talk to too many people today that have
had the opportunity to be in this business, in radio,
which is becoming harder and harder to stay in for

(47:37):
fifty years, and really, in a sense not take advantage
of the fact that everyone around you is supporting you
and letting you go out the way you wanted to.
And you know, I've been in management for a lot
of years. Of the fifty years, forty of it was

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in management.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
So you're the one that got to take those chances
away from everybody else.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Or gave them early retirements.

Speaker 13 (48:09):
So I know the difference between the behind the green
door as to what goes on, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
So just being able to go out on your own terms.
And I'll tell you it was last year when JJ
Jim Johnson left w OMC and we were you know,
we were friends since the seventies. He hired me at
when I was six point seven W four, gave me
my first full time job, and.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
He was when he left.

Speaker 13 (48:42):
I was the last of that era, the ABX W
four era of personalities that came out of I call
it the second generation of jocks from Detroit because we
all listened to, you know, the guys that we you know,
grew up adoring and you know, wanting to be like

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like Mark Pereno and Dan Carlyle and Dennis Frawley and
Jack Broderick and all of those guys, and so all
of us second generation guys. You know, we we picked
up the sword and we carried on and uh and
now I'm the last of the Mohicans, you know. So

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I'm giving you joshness, which is why I came in
at eight o'clock this morning, because normally I could have
done it on my own show, right.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
But I really believe in you, two guys.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
I really do that. I really do you also pity
us and knew no one was listening to Well. I
appreciate message you dut her one ounce. I did not
start her at all.

Speaker 13 (50:00):
I really want to hand the sword of you because
when I was at W four Sky Daniels said, Doug,
I'm handing you the sword. I'm handing you the sword
of rock and roll to carry on. Because he left
and went to the Loop in Chicago. It was kind
of like a retirement really, And to.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
This point, we really haven't had that person or you know,
I haven't lasered in on who that person would have
been to hand that sword to. All those people are gone,
they all left. I will tell you this, Doug, I
love handling your sword and I can't wait to handle

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it more frequently. Yes, he's got those soft hands for
that sword.

Speaker 13 (50:48):
I'm giving you my sword, and I'm expecting you to
carry on with the war of Rock and Roll.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
I am here to do that. So, ladies and gentlemen,
the big announcement this morning is that after fifty years,
the doc of Rock is retiring. Doc is an absolute
Now what is the last day? December the fifth? December
the fifth, So people still get about what three or
so weeks with you? Two two and a half, three weeks?

Speaker 13 (51:17):
Yep, yeah, you know casey uh, you know, he would
have let me leave today if I wanted to, But
I did want to stay through uh the rest of
the year and enjoy all the things that we had,
like the Toolbox party.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
I didn't want to really let it out then though,
and you know have to hang.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
No, you just chose to bang on me the entire time.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
Because you're big enough to bang on and that's why.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
So here's what I want to do, though, if you
want to get in eight seven seven nine eight eight
one oh six seven, if you'll be careful about that,
But let's get some people on the phone, Doug eight
seven seven nine eight eight one oh six seven. You
can also text text the word Josh and your message
to five one eight eight one. If you want to
send a message to Doug or get on the phone
with Doug. Doug's gonna hang out with us. His assaying,
driving in from Sterling Heights to sit here for ten minutes.

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He's gonna take this thing over eight seven seven, eight
one oh sixty seven. Something fitting for Doug. No, not that,
Doy This that is not what we're looking for here.
We're gonna play some rock and roll though, so and
we're gonna also I want to revisit something now.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
That you're in here.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
So I have cut one of your air checks from
W four Country, and I want these stories. I want
to hear the story. We're gonna hear some stories if
you want to talk with Doug. Eight seven seven nine
eight one oh six seven. The doc of rock has
what do they call it when a doctor he's been disbarred?

Speaker 4 (52:37):
No, that's a lawyer thing.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
What do they call it?

Speaker 4 (52:39):
What does it called at my stethoscope?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Man? That's the nice way of saying.

Speaker 8 (52:43):
Man.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
But the doc's hanging out, let's play some rock and roll.
It's the Joshennis Show one o six point seven Detroit's Wheels,
Josh Inness Show, The doc of rock is up here
announcing he's retiring from radio after fifty years effective. What
was it, December third, I said, somber fifth third, December fifth,
My bad, December fifth.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
Yeah, that'll be my last day now. Doug is hanging
it up on his own now.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
A time that you were not actually part of the
decision is when one day your boss walks in and says,
we're playing country on this frequency. Yep, let's play a
little bit of Doug doing country radio. In nineteen eighty,
hold on, here we go.

Speaker 15 (53:25):
Oh yeah, Matt Davis hooked on music Countytroit's Country one six.
I suggestion this afternoon, four forty five, Doug Hodell alongside
here on a gray wet Wednesday afternoon in the Motor City. Certainly,
hope you're feeling good. The music of Rex Allen Junior
and Margo Smith coming up for you.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Do you know anything about Rex Allen Junior and Margot Smith?

Speaker 4 (53:44):
I didn't know anything.

Speaker 15 (53:45):
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help is available. That's right for free pregnancy tests and
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Speaker 4 (54:02):
The days before playing the Love the Internet? All right,
So so I would grab a little card next to
me and read that.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Then I would grab another card and read about the
artist I was about to play. How much of the
country music? Did you know?

Speaker 4 (54:18):
When you had.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
You could have fooled me. We're talking Mickey Gilly, yeah
and Jenny. Well, people liked me. As a matter of fact.

Speaker 13 (54:28):
Not only did the listeners like me on there, but
the company Salem Broadcasting. Uh you know, he said, we
really like you and think you have a future with
our company.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
You know, well, let's do this. How did you find that?

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Well?

Speaker 2 (54:44):
What were you said?

Speaker 4 (54:45):
You have a story?

Speaker 2 (54:45):
What is the story about that? When the station goes country?

Speaker 13 (54:48):
So I'm on one oh six point seven W four
and uh I did a Sunday morning show called the
one oh sixties, which I'm still trying to get Casey
to let me do.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
He's not But that's okay, here's gonna be the only
way I ever come back to radio. But uh so
I got my little forty five's you know. In my case,
I drive up to the building, the house on Jefferson
and the sign was out the huge billboard and it

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says country one six and every light in the building
is on at six am on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
That doesn't happen, right, So I pull in the parking lot.
I go to the door and.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
The general manager is there and he hands me a
cowboy hat. Just hands you a cowboy hat. Hands me
a cowboy hat and says, Doug, come on in, we
got to talk.

Speaker 13 (55:48):
I go what's going on? He goes, well, we've modified
the format. I go, oh, modified the format? What does
what does that mean? He goes, well, we're going country rock.
I go, oh, country rock like Leonard Skinnyard and Marshall Tucker.
And he goes, no, like Tammy Wynette and Dolly Parton.
And I went oh, okay. So I walk upstairs and

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there's a corporate head there and he's got this fantasy concert.
Now you guys familiar with that at all? It's basically
songs from the format put in a fantasy live concert setting.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 13 (56:33):
So it's fake applause, it's fake announcers, and then they
go into a Tammy Wynette song. You know, but you're live.
It's a concert, it's a festival. And the stack of
records is this high. So it's like a two day festival. Okay,
it's like Woodstock.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (56:52):
So here comes eight am and instead of doing the
one oh sixties, So the guy said to me, he goes, So, Doug,
we like you.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
We'd like to keep you.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
As a matter of fact, everybody else quit one of
those people, right, everybody quit the same day except me.
Why didn't you quit?

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Well, I wanted a management job.

Speaker 13 (57:21):
So if I thought, if I quit right now, I'm
going to have a difficult time finding another job.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
I felt that if I stayed on for thirty days.

Speaker 13 (57:32):
Either I'd find one or I'd keep working, because, like
I said to the guy, I got to eat tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Okay, this is the only money I've got coming in.
So I stayed on for about thirty days, and I
did find that job. There was a consultant at the
time named Lee Abrams, pretty famous, and he said, Doug,
I found you a job in Minnesota legendary station KQRS.

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And he said, you got a seven to midnight job
with music director Stripes, And I said, I'll take it.
So you made it thirty days doing country on four Yes.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
Thirty days.

Speaker 15 (58:12):
This is Detroit's only stereo country station. Welcome to Stereo
Country one six And you want to pass that to
the bottle of gym beam over here to me please,
one of my favorite Williams Junior Whiskey band, and hell about.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
You know I embraced it. I mean, did you think
there was a point where you were going to be
stuck doing that for a lengthy period of time? Oh sure, yeah, absolutely.
Let me give it to the phones here and see
if people want to talk with you. Let's see, Hey, hello, wheels,
who's this?

Speaker 4 (58:46):
Hey?

Speaker 15 (58:46):
How you doing?

Speaker 5 (58:47):
This?

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Is RC?

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Hey dog? How you doing RC?

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Buddy?

Speaker 8 (58:52):
It's an honor to be the first to congratulate you.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
Wow, you're thank you.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
I wanted to tell you at the Toolbox party, but
I was born to silence.

Speaker 14 (59:06):
You know.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
It's an honor to know you, sir.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
He's not dying to be fair, It's honored to know you.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
Well.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
You know I met I met a lot of you
from this radio station, and I made a lot of friends,
uh here with Higheart.

Speaker 13 (59:23):
So I didn't know Bushman from Adam and I love
that man. And you know he actually roasted me last
year about that, and uh, you know he was poor
bush Man, the only black guy in the entire room.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
And.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
He's gotta you know, he's gotta cut me into right.

Speaker 13 (59:48):
So yo, he was funnier now, he was so funny,
and it was, you know, just those kind of connections
like with him, you know, with him and with Mojo
and with Jay. You know, I've known all of them
by name, but I didn't know them personally. And to
get to meet all those people, but a guy like
RC was just a listener. And we met up for

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lunch and you know, breakfast, and you know we've had
a good relationship together.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
So RC, thank you, my man. All right, let's see here,
Hello Wheels, who's this.

Speaker 8 (01:00:24):
Charles?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Charles? You're all with the doc? Go ahead? Brother?

Speaker 8 (01:00:27):
Oh boy, hey, Doug really liked listening to you over
the years. I remember when you worked for the Riff
at one time and h but I've found you again
on WLZ.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:00:45):
I've been listening for about four and a half years
right now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
Well I appreciate that, my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Yeah, I get what I get mostly nowadays is I've
listened to you my whole life, Dorothy.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
And she's really fan. Going out at the party.

Speaker 13 (01:01:08):
Oh that around I have to say, coming back to
w ll Z was just as an absolute shocker. I
mean because Wheels, even though it was my third station, Uh,
it was the one where I really you know, took off.
I became program director there, I I had a we

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just did so many great things.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
And because that's the station you're most known for, right,
like you're synonymous with Wheels. Yeah, most recently here, because
I always turned down all the podcasts, but recently i'd
been taking some and people go, oh, Doug, wow, you said, yes,
you know so uh, And I've had I've kind of

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enjoyed talking about ab X and W four because I
don't get that much opportunity to talk about the early
days when I got started. But yeah, Wheels was where
I really cut my teeth and learned the business as
opposed to just you know, showing up every day and
rocking my brains out. But it's also a real radio

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war too, so like you was a genuinely competing most
rift at that time.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Oh yeah, no, it was gridlock.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
It was a war.

Speaker 13 (01:02:24):
It was a it's where rock wars. Yeah, you know,
that's the definition of it was Wheels Rift.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Did it hurt you to kill Wheels? You were technically
with Stern. When when Wheels went away? Right, were you
still a Stern? And that was in ninety five? I
think we're ninety six was the last year of Wheels?

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
No, it was gone.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
It was gone, so you didn't actually have to knife
into wheels. But like when you came back, so you're
in Cleveland, you come back to RIFF and you're the
program director. Did it hurt you when Wheels went away?

Speaker 14 (01:02:53):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
No it did not.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
Why it was the station just ruined at that point?
What went wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
They had bad management? Well you weren't.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
There were screwing around with st Yeah, I was. And
and that's where it was at.

Speaker 13 (01:03:13):
Boy, I'll tell you I was a third affiliate w nCX,
third affiliate for Howard Stern.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
We knew each other in Detroit.

Speaker 13 (01:03:22):
Of course at W four I am the Duke of
Rock in private part correct, you know that's kind of
a mash up though, James of like three or four people.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
An amalgamation.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:03:34):
But one thing that Howard and I used to talk
about even back then was freedom of speech. Him having
the freedom to do what he was doing. And I
used to encourage him, you know, to continue to do
the stuff that he was doing because it was making
an impact for our radio station. W four was mixed

(01:03:56):
in with ABX and ri I F and w D
and all these stations, so we needed, you know, essentially
a nuclear bomb to you know, make a difference, and
Howard was making that difference and he didn't get a
chance to do it here. I think he would have
done it here, but you know, they pulled the plug

(01:04:17):
and went country because Wheels came in as a station
that was a music centric and no personality. So it
only lasted a year because it went shot up the ratings,
but then it shot right back down. So I was
in Minnesota, right I'm over there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
It's a year later and Double Day owned WLLZ, and
they were also against me in Minnesota. They wanted to
get you out of Minnesota. Yes they did.

Speaker 13 (01:04:49):
So they got me out of Minnesota, brought me back
to Wheels as the first person to actually say his
last name, because everybody there was just going, Hi, I'm Dave, Hi,
I'm Mike, I'm you know, you know, Cindy lou and
and nobody really had a personality there and nobody was
you know, fighting the good fight. So it went up

(01:05:10):
the ladder came back down. They brought me in and
I was a music director there for a number of years.
They went through a few pds.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Uh. There were some good ones and some bad ones.
But I loved them all, you know. I worked for
them all.

Speaker 13 (01:05:25):
And and then eventually, one day, after one of them
had left, I'm walking down the hall and the general
manager goes, Doug, you know we need a new program director.
He goes, how would you like to be PD? I go, oh, no,
I don't want that job. You know, God, I don't
want to be, you know, in there with all those meetings,

(01:05:46):
sales people and all of that. And he goes, well,
there is a company car in it for you. I go, now,
you're talking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
I had a Dodge Swinger at let me go, and
and the bumper was wired.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
To stay up.

Speaker 13 (01:06:05):
Okay, so I go a company car, any car, any
car you want. I'm thinking a Marrow Mustang.

Speaker 6 (01:06:14):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
I ended up with a Taurus. It's a sensible choice,
it was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
It was a good save vehicles. Yeah, you know I
got too flashy, Doug. You're gonna hang out with us
some more?

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Mojo takes you away and talks to you for an hour,
So all right, so hangout the doc.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
He's gonna know me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Here, but I always say yes when he asked. All right,
so Doc's gonna hang out if you want to get in.
Eight seven seven, nine, eight, eight one oh six seven.
The big news of the day is that Doug is
dying tomorrow. So that is not true. That is not
true at all, despite what the callers all sell. You
have the schedule, the death appointments. Guys, tomorrow is my
last day on earth.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
You've got the lays up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
So if you want to get in eight seven, seven, nine,
eight eight one oh sixty seven, Doug is going to
hang it up after fifty years. Everybody the rock, Absolutely
we want to talk. Get in eight seven seven, nine
eight eight one oh six seven and we'll talk more
with the doc after this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Did Josh in his show one O six point seven.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
W ll z Detroit's Wheels Incubus, I'm raw one O
six point seven Detroit's Wheels.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
That's a band that Doug broke. Maybe who knows, Oh yeah,
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
There's an Incubus story, intibis story.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
I made that up as a goof Oh I got
a story for everything.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
So because what.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
People don't know is maybe don't know, maybe do know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
But when you're the program director, you're breaking bands like
they kiss your ass. Like the back then they needed you,
like nowadays like Bob Secret that need any of us.
He's like playing my music or not a Bob's album
was Incubis did not kiss my ass? Oh really? What happened?

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
Stupid Incubus?

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
And then how many hits today have I know? I
know the story story, yeah, yeah, because that was because
I was working for his competitor eighty nine X at
the time and the Incubis became one of our bands
because they wouldn't kiss Doug's ass. Oh boy, So they
were going to Canada. That's what happens when you don't
kiss dougs.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
You get an airplay here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
And actually I had tickets to the show that was
involved with this whole situation too.

Speaker 13 (01:08:26):
So we had we had them for a show. This
is riff, right, right, okay, And I didn't you know,
I wasn't sharing this band with anybody, right this is
our certainly not. So you know, we're promoting this big concert,
We're promoting the band. We're bringing them in for live interviews,

(01:08:49):
acoustic sets. You know, taking them to clubs doing all
this stuff with Incubus and playing their single. Yeah, of course,
well the same night as the concert. After the concert,
Incubus decided to do it after party with eighty nine.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
Oh, they've crossed the dock of raw.

Speaker 13 (01:09:14):
So, I mean you've been in radio long enough, Josh,
how many times does has that happened?

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
It happens, Yeah, and the best like you'll get those,
you'll get people like my dad was really big on
he was on country radio, and he have artists like
they wanted to do station specific versions of songs that
include the name of the radio station in a song
type of deal. And if somebody at another station got
it over him or something, they'd all like get pissed
about it. Like, there's a lot of stuff like that.

(01:09:41):
There's a lot of petty things that happen in this
very petty I mean probably in hindsight it was a
little petty. That's fine, makes the story better. Yeah, no
one ever told a good story that started with the
very level headed yeah, so please tell us your petty So, I.

Speaker 13 (01:09:58):
Mean basically I lit up the record you know, representative
and told him that he can take his band in
his record and you know, shove.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
It, take it across the border to Canada and yeah,
you you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
You wanted to be with them, you're with them, but
she had that How cool was it to have that power?

Speaker 8 (01:10:18):
You're on?

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
The label Reps feared this man because I was hitting
meetings and the label Reps would come in with these
new artists and we'd be like, well, can we get
a presents on the show, and like, no, we have to.
It has to be a neutral show because we we
need Doug to play our record on riff too. They're like, listen,
Doug owns Henders, like no joke, Like they come in.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
That was one of the bands we actually did.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
So so anyway, you've got the the you've banished Inchibius
to Canada at this point, not only their first album
but their second third.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
I mean they were they were really banded and then
power like that's Pobby.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Then I was moved. I was moved to UH to
w CSX and my UH music director, yeah took over
and he kept the band on himself.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
God love him either.

Speaker 13 (01:11:18):
Yeah great, so he didn't play him either. And then
finally eventually.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
I think I think once he was gone, I think
somebody pulled the trigger and put it back because I remember,
I'm like, is this give us a riff? Whoa?

Speaker 10 (01:11:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Hell was frozen over.

Speaker 13 (01:11:34):
There was starting to become some legal issues over it,
which I was always called upstairs about legal.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
But you were powerful, you didn't care. I was a
dock of rock. You ran wr If you were a
god walking amongst mere mortals, you could send nineteen nineties
one hit wonder bands off to Canada with just a
flip of a switch. Well we we uh, we did
win a number of Best Rock Stations. All those are
all made up? Yes, So I was out, who cares

(01:12:08):
no offense? Who cares? I love it? Who?

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Those are all made up?

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
I worked at a radio station that every year that
I worked at the station in Saint Louis called Casey ninety.
Every year it was like we were rolling Stone magazines.
But like, okay, no offense, Doug, I love you, You're
my man. Those are made up fairy tale awards. You're
better than bragging. But brag about killing Incubus. That's more
impressive on your headstone. And say Doug Podell killed Incubus.

(01:12:32):
Incubus and Papa Roach two bands that I felt like
we were always fighting with Doug. Did you fight with
Papa Roach? No, Okay, no, I don't remember that. I
feel like they could take you and you just wouldn't
scare me. But I think I might have a shut
I don't think. I don't think anybody though ever crossed
us again. That'll teach you, don't Apparently the word got out,

(01:12:57):
so now everyone hit Wonder late ninety. The alt band
that comes through is like, well, we don't mess with
the doc of rock. The thing is, I never really
told Casey, but it kind of urks me to have
to play him every day.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
It's now one of the reasons why I retired. That's
how you know it's time. Oh God, But no, I
do like that song.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
So, I mean, Doug has dominated radio in Detroit for
most of these fifty years. You went to Cleveland for
five years, Minneapolis for a couple I guess a year, right,
you were in Minneapolis year and a half to It
was only in Minneapolis one year to the day. Ocayually, yeah,
so then you come back here. Then eventually you go
and you're like the dude that runs the Stern Network.
You're running it out of Cleveland. But you were like

(01:13:44):
the dude, that was like the head of the Howard
Stern network.

Speaker 13 (01:13:47):
Well, I don't know that I was the head of
it all, but I was certainly influential in getting a
lot of stations to be a part of the syndicated network.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
You can argue that your greatest accomplishment out of all this,
if you've done, is take a little dinky station in
Cleveland and take it to where you are, because you
guys had to compete against a monster America's rock stations
above very big and uh, and you know, a lot
of it had to do with Howard, but it also
had to do with the freedom to be able to

(01:14:18):
do what he did, and it it took, uh, it
took some maneuvering to make sure that that radio station
wasn't just centric in the morning, but also midday, afternoon,
nights and weeks. Well, how did it? Because Howard historically
this doesn't like program directors, at least that's what you believe.
How did Is it because you were buddies before you

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became the PD that you think you had such a
good relationships.

Speaker 13 (01:14:42):
Well, it's funny because you know, now he's on the
air and I'm hearing him and Robin talk about, you know,
how stupid I am and now I don't know what
I'm doing and how could how can he be in
charge over the air and Robin would really give it

(01:15:02):
to me pretty good. And uh you know, one day
I called Howard because you know, I'm being called the
moron PD in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Yeah, that moron PD in Cleveland. You know, you know,
you know Rob and you know him right, So, uh
so I called him up.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
And I said, Howard, you know I thought we were friends.
He goes, oh yeah, he goes, you're part of the bit.
Now you're part of the bed. You're the moro on PD.
So get used to it. That's what we tell Casey too.
You're in the bed. You know what Howard called?

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
You answered?

Speaker 13 (01:15:41):
You know, like I was in the shower one night,
one afternoon and I get a I get a call
from Howard and Sue brings the phone into the shower
and says, Howard's on the phone.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
He wants to talk to you right now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
So I talked to a PD that I knew that
was part of the Stern world for a while, and
he told me he'd have hour long ratings conversations with
Stern on the phone, like you couldn't get him off
the phone, Like mid nineties Stern was like impossible to
get off the phone because it was just this NonStop obsession.
Because that was in the era of the funerals and
well we had the last funeral. Well that was the

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one where they cut the wire.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
Yeah, that was the one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:16:21):
I mean this this story of Howard coming to Cleveland,
decimating WMMS and then the funeral and the wire cutting.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
That's a book in a movie, There's no question about it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
If I could put it all together, maybe I'll call
Gary Graft.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
We've talked about it for years. So do you want
to write a book?

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
You could. They're far less accomplished radio people's. I mean
there's radio books out there.

Speaker 13 (01:16:48):
Of all the things that I could be talking about,
the Incubis story, all that you should meeting Paul McCartney, whatever,
But well, tell me about meeting Paul McCarty. The real
story is that Howard book.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
No totally, So tell me about meeting Paul McCartney. What
did you do with Paul McCarty. Boy, are you familiar
with the Chris Farley bit?

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
Remember that I remember when you remember when you were
in the Beatles. Well, that was pretty much meeting. So
it's nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
I'm at a press conference and all of a sudden,
the record guy comes over and goes, Doug, I know
you're a big Beatles fan.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
He goes, All of a.

Speaker 11 (01:17:25):
Sudden, that guy retires and cots on my radio show
and starts working blue.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Yeah. Wow, we know why. She's like, where's that dumb button?
Where we got the dumb button? Did the tea come out?
I don't know.

Speaker 13 (01:17:46):
I hear that all the time on that popa Roach song.
So so I go, sure, I'd love to interview him.
So I kind of sat back and tried to collect
my thoughts and put, you know, ten questions together. So

(01:18:07):
I go back there and meet Paul and Linda, which
was amazing. She was just so beautiful and so nice,
you know. And one of the things I always kicked
myself about in that interview is that I never asked
Linda question. I just you know, Paul, Paul, Paul, Paul Paul,

(01:18:28):
and I'm holding a microphone like this, but I never
held it like this. I also never got your voice,
never got my voice. It only got Paul's voice. So
later I had to go edit all my questions in
So I'm nervous as all hell.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Is this the only time you've really been nervous in
an interview?

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
Yes, I mean really nervous.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
And other than Paul McCartney, who are the biggest people
you've interviewed, You've interviewed them all right? If you listen
to Ringo, I mean I wasn't as nervous interviewed. Well,
you were on the air when Lennon was shot. Right
when Lennon was shot? You were on what were you
at W fourth? Yeah? Yep, not playing Waylon Jennings W four? No,
before we went country. Yeah, Lennon died and we said,

(01:19:09):
you know what, it's over, We're gonna start playing Tammy.
Why not?

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
So anyway, these people, though, I did about you know,
ten questions with Paul, and I've listened back to it
and it came out pretty good. But as I'm leaving,
Linda goes, would you like to stay for tea? And
I went, oh, no, I wouldn't. No, Doug didn't want to,

(01:19:34):
you know, And that's exactly what Sue did.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
Colleen.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
She she went, oh my god, you could have spent
another half hour just having tea with Paul and Linda.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
What were you thinking?

Speaker 8 (01:19:45):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
And then she said did you get an autograph? And
I go, no, did you get a picture?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Did you get a picture? No? But in your defense,
when you're in those moments with people like that, you're
not thinking about that. You're just blown away that you're
with Paul McCarty exactly, so wild.

Speaker 13 (01:20:02):
There is kind of an ending to the story ten
years later, because this story was being told every year
at Christmas.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
You know, Doug met.

Speaker 13 (01:20:13):
Paul, didn't have tea, didn't get an autograph, didn't get
a picture, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
So I'm downstairs and I'm going through some stuff.

Speaker 13 (01:20:24):
It's like two o'clock in the morning, and I find
my notes to Paul McCartney and I go, oh, open
it up, and there is a picture of Paul McCartney
with a big autograph on it, signed to Doug and Sue,
to Sue and Doug. Actually it says and I remembered

(01:20:47):
because he said to me, He goes, would you like
me to sign this?

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
And I go, oh, sure, he goes, who do you
want me to sign it to?

Speaker 13 (01:20:55):
And I said to Sue and Doug and he goes, by,
I hook, you're going to be with that meat for
a while, and uh yeah, forty nine years later, luckily
we're all together, and I got that picture.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Now prominently hung.

Speaker 13 (01:21:12):
But yeah, I got the I got the autograph, got
the picture, uh, and had no recollection of it whatsoever
until I saw it again.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
So you've been with Sue the entire it's basically the
entire time you've been on the radio, it's been you. Yeah,
do you fear that now I'm not doing radio, she'll
leave you? Because she's clearly agree.

Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
There was certainly that there was that possibility a few
years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
I'd the doc's hanging out. If you didn't hear, doc
is going to retire effective December fifth, So we still
got time to hear the doc. He'll be on this afternoon.
And if you ever want to call, let me get
this one person who's been holding a while. I want
to get them in. And again, you're already up here.
So it did just hang out with us. I don't
want you to let's see here. Sorry for the hold here, buddy,

(01:21:58):
who's this Hello? He couldn't wait them, Yeah, he fell asleep.
I don't blame them. Yeah, he flipped over to big
gym and he's like, Okay, hard to live up to
the hype. Ah, yes it is, but you're awesome of course.
Well here's the thing, though, let me tell you this
is this is the coolest thing sharing these stories with you,

(01:22:18):
because you are truly a legendary figure. Like they're like,
I work places for two and a half years and
get whacked. I have the longest place I've ever been
anywhere is four years. The fact that you've been in
one city for what would that be forty four forty
five of these years is remarkable. Like, people don't do
that anymore. Doing what you've done. It just it is
a ridiculous thing that you've accomplished here. And not only

(01:22:40):
it's a lot of people will hang around because they're
out of the way to like people just are kind
of out of side, out of mind, and they exist.
You're not an existory. You did things, You won things,
you won radio awards, you ran the Stern Network, You've
done all this. You you you've met Paul McCartney, you've
done everything cool. You've lived the life. People in radio
that are thirty nine years old aren't gonna do this,

(01:23:01):
you know what I'm saying, Like you lived a life
of a thousand radio people like people would kill to
have the life you've lived, Like I admire the hell
out of you, like it is the coolest thing. I
remember when I was in Nashville, and uh, there's a
guy named Battle who I think used to voice traveling.

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
Yeah, but Tim I used to work with him in Nashville.
You'd go, I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
He goes, Wow, you're gonna be on Wheels. Do you
think the dock of Rock's gonna listen to you? And
I'm like, I hope, so that'd be really freaking cool.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
So that's where I was when I got this job
with Wheels. I was in Nashville.

Speaker 13 (01:23:31):
Tell him what you were doing, Doug, Well, I was
trying to absorb the country country music because I had
been after CSX. I ended up two weeks later, I
ended up on nash FM.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
Yeah you know w d r Q.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
But by the way, that's how big you are. Is
somebody calling, They're like, oh, this guy that's programmed rock
stations have been a rock DJ for forty something years.
We'll put you on country just because I should have died,
Like people know, Like I mean that with the most
complimentary way I can thing said, Doug is such a
big deal. We could put him on a Mexican station
and it wouldn't matter because recognition that's a mazing lot

(01:24:13):
people don't have. It was funny, Robbie Bridges says, you know,
we do a lot of research and uh, you know,
classic rock and country acrossover quite a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
And twenty seventeen was a great year for country music.

Speaker 13 (01:24:25):
Quite frankly, it was hard, it was rock, and it
was all guitars, and I kind of enjoyed it a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Well here's what I thought about country music too. It
was like what hair metal was like the vibe the
late late eighties. It's chicks and beer and a good time.
And that's what a lot of that era country music
you're talking about. I had just been, you know, because
I was only off a couple of weeks, so I
had just been, you know, backstage at some rockshew, and
it was Kansas, okay, And you're standing in line and

(01:24:57):
they tell you now, don't shake their hand, don't look
them in the eyes, this is Kansas.

Speaker 13 (01:25:05):
Don't breathe near them, you know, don't eat any food
while you're around them, you know. And it was nothing
but just rattling off all these stupid things about what
the listeners could do when they went to meet the band,
you know, basically, stand there, get your picture taken, and
then get the hell out right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Yeah, Kansas, they got one guy. Paul McCartney's like, here, mate,
I'll sign your picture. Let's talk for ten minutes. Yeah.
John Elafonte is like, listen, Bud, I'm not going to
look you in the eye.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
Doc.

Speaker 13 (01:25:36):
So I go to a country show backstage and it
was that guy from American Idol?

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Who who was that? What year was this?

Speaker 13 (01:25:46):
Not that I would know America, Well, this would have
been twenty seventeen, but he had a kind of a
funny name. But anyway, I'm backstage and I.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Go was it Scotty McCreary.

Speaker 4 (01:25:59):
Yes, it was Scotty mcquery.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
That's why I'm here.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
Yeah, I'm the new doc of rock. So you have
the sword.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
I have this sword and his power.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
They sent me out there to introduce, you know, the band.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Uh. And this is like my first big country show
and it's backed. Oh yeah, I mean it is sold.
All the chicks are hot and they're wearing very little.
That's what country concerts are for. They're fun that way.

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
So I go back there.

Speaker 13 (01:26:27):
I don't know anybody or anything, right, I don't even
know how to say the guy's name quite frankly, and uh,
he goes.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
I go, yeah, I'm Doug Pudell. I'm kind of new
to country.

Speaker 13 (01:26:38):
You know, I've only been doing this about six weeks now,
and I'm really enjoying it though and learning it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
Well, come on in, Doug, let me. And the guy
is hugging me, and he's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Given me food and he's given me drinks, and he's
telling me, you know, I can go out there and
talk as long as I want. And I'm going, Wow,
what a different His dudes and Luke Brian, Luke Colmes,
basically anybody named Luke, extremely nice people like country music people.

Speaker 13 (01:27:07):
Yeah, are really cool. They're really awesome. So I thought,
let's go to Nashville. Let's absorb this see if I
like it or not. And you know, well I'm gonna
you know, they were asking me to do afternoons and
sign a contract, and so I went down there with
my friend John Bobby and his wife and my wife
and all we met down there were rock people. Yeah,

(01:27:31):
I'm you know, Brad Whitford from Arrowsmith, the guys from Seduce,
some local bands here, Ron Keel and Angel. I mean,
all these metal bands are in Nashville, right, and they're going, Doug,
remember when you introduced us at Harpows And I'm going,
this is not country.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
Wasn't the experience you're expecting. So I'm day drinking.

Speaker 13 (01:27:55):
Yeah, and it's about eleven am, a man of my
own heart, and I get a call on my phone.

Speaker 4 (01:28:01):
It says iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
I go, what the hell?

Speaker 13 (01:28:06):
So I pick it up and it's Tony Trevado and
Tony starts telling me. You know, he asked me if
I was the Doug Codell from WLLZ, and I just
started dropping f bombs on the guy.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
Yeah, yeah, what do you do? What do you need before?

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Blah blah blah, And he goes, well, we're thinking about
bringing w LLZ back. And I dropped about ten f
bombs on him, and my wife said, you know, maybe
you ought to have a cup of coffee and.

Speaker 13 (01:28:37):
A shower before you finished talking to this man. And
that's what I did, called him back and lo and behold.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
They brought back w LLZ.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
Yeah, that was just the greatest dream.

Speaker 13 (01:28:54):
I mean, it's one of When I look back at
the whole fifty years, there are some big moments, but
none bigger than that for me.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Seven years later. Here we still are, you know, yeah,
And you know I could have rolled it out here
a couple of more, I know, But but you're still
getting paid by RIFF and probably make qrs and probably
W four somehow. Still, so.

Speaker 4 (01:29:18):
You're good.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
So if you haven't heard the news, the doc is
going to retire here in early December, December fifth, so
you still got a couple of weeks to listen. And
he's hanging out with us if you want to get
in eight seven, seven, nine, eight, eight one oh six seven.
We're just sharing radio stories of fifty years, fifty years
of the Dock of Rock, forty four of those right

(01:29:41):
here in Detroit, all right, so you know how it works, Doc,
I got to play commercials.

Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
If not, Colleen's going to get angry. I saw play
some commercials.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
We'll get back.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
I've never seen or angry mean either.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
That's what scares me because I'm sure it's there and
I can work on that. But anyway, so we'll play
some commercials, get some more rock, and here the dock's
going to hang out. It is Detroit's Wheels Show.

Speaker 7 (01:30:03):
Seven w LLZ.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Detroit's Wheels.

Speaker 14 (01:30:08):
The People.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Hey, hold on, hold on, there's a live microphone here,
and here you are talking about whatever the hell it
is you're talking about. You would think you're I mean,
how many years.

Speaker 5 (01:30:16):
Have you been doing this?

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Jeez?

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
Uh, never done it?

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
This?

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Tired?

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
In my life?

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
You used to be on in the morning. No, never,
well only Sunday mornings. Well Sunday mornings. Yeah, and I
was much younger then, but you know the Ted Nugent
morning show. Oh yeah, I would come in for that.
Well that's that's let's talk about this stuff, because you've
actually built some shows like you were responsible for Drew
and Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Yes, So, if I'm not mistaken, Drew was in Phoenix
whenever you guys brought him in.

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
He was here already. Okay, he was here with Drew
and Zip.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
Okay, but you brought them in. You brought did you know?
You didn't? Okay, they were here, but they were not
the show that they were after I got here. They
were still playing music and Zip was Drew's partner, now
Mike Clark. I had actually hired Mike Clark at WLZ

(01:31:14):
and he was a character called Sean An Lance.

Speaker 4 (01:31:18):
He played.

Speaker 13 (01:31:20):
Two gay like designers, Saw and Lance, and he would
talk to himself back and forth. He was amazing to me.
And Mike was very funny, and he was a gas man,
you know, he worked at the gas company, so you know,
he became a big star, obviously. But the Drew and
Mike show was really kind of in the beginning, modeled

(01:31:44):
after all of the shows that were becoming talk shows,
similar to Howard and I was coming here after that
Howard experience.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
So who hired Drew to come here?

Speaker 15 (01:31:57):
Then?

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Jim Pemberton, Okay, so he was the PD at the time,
was the PDA at the time. He was my music
director at Wheels. When I left to go to Cleveland,
he went over to Riff. Well, I guess I should
start here. What brought you back to Riff and then
got you out of the stern world? Well, I was.

Speaker 13 (01:32:13):
I was on stage at the funeral and I heard
several consultants behind me saying we need to bring Doug
back to Detroit, and I was just looking forward, straight ahead, thinking, hell,
never give me to go.

Speaker 8 (01:32:29):
I love it here.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
I really did love Cleveland. I love the city. I
love the food, I love the people, and I especially
loved the schools where my daughter was starting to go
to school. So, you know, the church. I was friends
with Bernie cloes Off. I bet you guys drank a
lot of beers together. He would take us to the

(01:32:53):
you know, the golf country club every Sunday after church,
and well, you go to church, then hang out with
and Heranye Kozar, Yeah, he.

Speaker 4 (01:33:02):
Was right there, you know, and uh we would have mass,
you know, and he'd be right next to us.

Speaker 13 (01:33:07):
And and then I eventually hired him for the station,
you know, to do football reports, right yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (01:33:16):
So yeah, I uh, I was in Uh, I was
in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
I loved it. And then when they offered me the
job to go to w r IF, of course, I'm thinking, how,
you know those people hate me there because it was
such a war between Wars and RIFF. You know, how
was I going to walk into that building? But I

(01:33:39):
remember Tom Bender, who I just loved the man. He's
one of the greatest general managers and radio minds in
the country and still is probably to this day.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
And he said, when you go in there, Doug, people
are going to know we mean business. So well, what
was RIFF doing at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
Why did they It was a struggling Oh yeah, they
were in fifteenth place. You know, they were doing one
hundred and one minutes of music and you know, so
it wasn't doing very well and the music was kind
of messed up. Well, that was a weird time for
rock music too, because it's changing forty and it was
alternative and gruss. It was a real ozzy zz top

(01:34:20):
type of station, which in hindsight isn't bad. Welcome to
the new wheels everyone, but actually we don't play zeazy
top much, so there no. But that's interesting that you
bring that up, because that was kind of a weird era.
So that means you had to start playing more of
the road music, which is so odd. Looking at you now,
I wouldn't think that you'd be a guy that would
be this, like guy that would be that tapped into that,

(01:34:43):
but you were, like you had to be obvious.

Speaker 13 (01:34:45):
Yeah, Well, I was music director, so I was always
on top of all the new music, and as as
I became program director, I still stayed that way. I
was very hands on, and I was also on the
air a lot. I wasn't on complete all the time
in Cleveland, but I did a mid day shift for
quite a while, but then ended up hiring people like

(01:35:07):
Ruby Cheeks and Michael Stanley to ultimately compliment Howard. So
when I got to Detroit, it was basically, you know,
let's get Drew and Mike, you know, as a talk show,
and Drew here wasn't real happy about it in the beginning.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
I remember a cart got thrown at my head.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
So for those who don't know, cart is basically like
an eight track, Yeah, basically, and you're getting stuff thrown
at you from Drew all the time. Yeah, So what
was his issue? He didn't want to be like the
Stern type talk show type of dealer, I think so.

Speaker 13 (01:35:39):
I think mostly it was they wanted to get out
of here early, and I wanted him to stay late.
Part of the plan was to keep him on a
little later, you know, run him into mid days around
ten thirty. Ultimately, Drew ended up staying on the air
until almost noon, and he really embraced it. And not

(01:36:02):
only did they embrace it, but they became one of
the best talk shows outside of Howard Stern in the
entire country. Nobody did it better than those two guys,
and they became the new model for success.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Did it hit right Howard.

Speaker 4 (01:36:20):
Went to satellite, So.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Did that hit right away? Or was there like sweating
this thing out. We don't know if this thing's gonna work.
Absolutely yeah, But you know, ratings were different then too.
Ratings were the heart and the soul and the mind.
Now they weren't electric meters. So sure it was name recognition,
like you if you knew like Stern. Part of Stern's
appeal was that that you knew who he was. So

(01:36:43):
a lot of Marcus may not know who the morning
guy on the other rock station is, but they knew
who Howard Stern was. So people said, I listened to
Stern whatever. I mean, that was a name recognition was
a huge part of all that.

Speaker 13 (01:36:53):
But they showed Drew, Mike Trudy and about sixteen producers,
but they were all great. And that show, I mean
one when it took off, then it locked in, you know,
and and you built that we were number one. I
learned a lot from Steve Dall. I used to see

(01:37:15):
Steve Dall a lot. Well, he started at W four right, well,
he was that a b X two And I used.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
To be in the overnight, and I would see him
and I would see him doing all these crazy things
and and just absorbing it, learning it over the years
through him, through Jim Johnson. Do you believe that Stern
believes Dall ripped him off?

Speaker 4 (01:37:37):
I think is how I would say that more than yeah,
than than not.

Speaker 13 (01:37:41):
Everybody ripped him off too, from what it's so, Well,
there could be some truth to that, probably, but Steve
Dahl was doing a completely different show. He was character driven,
so he started the whole Popeye thing, you know, with
Popeye as a character, and and and Howard never had

(01:38:02):
that kind of stu you know. Howard was straight straight
up conversation information infotainment I used to call it. And yeah,
no he if anything, Steve Doll copied him in the end. Well,
the docs hanging out with us. I see all the
people from the Mojo so show like loitering around our door,

(01:38:22):
which means they probably want to talk with you. So
you it's like it shows you where you are in
the pecking order. You've got like the Mojo people hanging
around the door, like we want doc. Now he's our
we need a doc. So let's see. Well they were
hanging out there, so they really were. I didn't make
that up.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Or they're waiting for the blessing to go and get
into the breakfast that's out there. Yeah, that's right, we
have some of your breakfast. So here's what we'll do.
We'll play some commercials. We'll see if Doc's gonna wander
over there to hang with. Not shocked if he would,
because they're still they're still looking through the window.

Speaker 4 (01:38:56):
Uh, so we will do that. They played Doja Cat.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Hey, if you want Doc listen, request maybe if you
want to hear Doja Cat, and I think for you,
they'll play Doja Cat.

Speaker 13 (01:39:07):
My one, my one favorite song they play is by
the Young Rebels. I think it is Greg Alexander is
a Detroiter. That's that one, that one song where they goes,
you know, Marilyn Manson gonna kick your ass, remember that
that song.

Speaker 4 (01:39:22):
Doc, I have no idea what I'm not gonna lie
to you, but we'll be bad.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
This is the Joshinni Show on one Who's six point
seven double u.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
Ll Z Detroit Wheels Paul six point seven Detroit Wheels
Josh on his show, The Doc is wandering around somewhere.
I knew that once once we lost him to Mojo.

Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
It was over.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Yeah. Yeah, Now he's doing like the radio row here. Yeah,
and by that we mean you know Ojo Mojo, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
All we I don't know if you do this. He's
not on the Steve Harvey Morning Show.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Doesn't want talk to him. That'd be great, though, wouldn't
if like someow were listening to the Steve Harvey Morning
Show and doctor he's well, let me tell you about
the time we talked with Paul McCartney. But no, so
if we getting back in here, we get him back
in here. Like it was a pressure because I'm looking
out and Mojo sends his little minions over to get
you know, big He never has anything that We don't

(01:40:16):
have anything he needs unless they need to bring me
in to make fun of me. Yes, that's like you
you may be shocked by this. I was almost as
somebody once in my life, like I've come close. Now
I'm the guy that loses doc to their show and
it's only featured on there when they want to make
fun of me for wearing sweats to work. Yeah so
that but I was when I tell you this, I

(01:40:37):
mean it, I was almost a somebody. Do you know
that feeling like, did you ever feel like that?

Speaker 8 (01:40:42):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
Yes, I was almost there. I've had moments, big moments
in my life. But if we get the doc back
in here, we get the doc back in here. If not,
you know he's retiring. If you didn't hear, Doug is
retiring on December fifth. Now people have been texting asked
who is gonna be on there?

Speaker 4 (01:41:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
I don't I don't have any answers. Uh so, I
don't know. I could they Could it be you? Slim?
Could you do it? You could? I think? I mean,
you have a history. You tell me about it every
time I see you, Like, oh my god, did I
ever tell you I used to be a just yeah,
I know you did.

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
I know You're wonderful.

Speaker 5 (01:41:16):
Though.

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
Here, hold on, grab grab that microphone right there?

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
Slim? How do you actually say your name?

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
Sari?

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Sarah? And I started calling her slim because I keep
forgetting it if it's Sary or sorry or Sari sariyah
mihean still can't pronounce my name.

Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
I don't think that he should call you slim.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
It's she Sean? No, well she I didn't know what
she said. I don't know what she said I don't know.
Uh well he she they they them, they them should
say slim because it's easier these days, are not allowed
to draw connections to genders and names.

Speaker 4 (01:41:46):
Okay, what is gender? Anyway?

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Thank you? But anyway, Sari Sari was a disc jockey.
Was the first time, yeah, with the Doctor of rock
and Roll? He did? He hire you? He hired me?
Where wheel? Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:42:00):
I was working at Askeigan actually at Snax that you
know Mojo's on. Yeah, and then he said, hey, you
want to come and do part time? And I'm like, yeah, absolutely,
So I literally did like six airships a week.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
I did like eight six and Muskegan two here yeah, wow,
it's fine. And now look at us. We're all hanging out, Yeah,
like loitering, waiting for Doc to give us any attention
while he's talking to the mod show. But we're still here. Doug,
please acknowledge us.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
But yes, so is that the only time you worked
with Doug?

Speaker 8 (01:42:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:42:29):
Because then I, you know, moved around Detroit a little bit,
and then I left Detroit and moved to Minneapolis and
Dallas and.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
Ago and yeah, were you what was your thing? You
said you were the first lady Pa announcer for a
hockey team. Was that an NBA?

Speaker 14 (01:42:43):
So no, I worked for the NHL. The Dallas Stars
came down from Minneapolis. Yeah, and I was the first
female public address announcer in the NHL.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
We got a legend writer, take that doc who Mojo?
You can keep the doc of Rock. We got the
first lady PA announcer here. Now that's kind of the norm.
You get a lot more of those. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I said those like they're an alien. You get a
lot more of those. Yeah, yeah, Like I think like
the the San Francisco Giants have a lady Peace. Harry

(01:43:12):
was the first one to actually do that.

Speaker 14 (01:43:14):
She called me when I got my gig, wow, yeah,
to congratulate me, and then it kind of unfolded from there.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
So it was kind of super cool. How many are
there now? There's like three and you were one of them.
They're like, we thought we were blazing trails. It turns
out we weren't. It's still fat white guys doing PA
mostly usually nine out of ten of them are overweight
white guys and Mason, those are the ones that that
are doing PA now. But you you were a trailblazer.

Speaker 14 (01:43:39):
Yeah, yeah, it was super fun. You have fifty six
games and went to the playoffs And did you only
do it for one year?

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
Only one year? Yeah? What happened?

Speaker 4 (01:43:46):
Did you suck than.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Love them too?

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
I bet you have a wonderful voice.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
I bet it was great. But you're also down there
in the south, down there around Dallas. I had a
lady pa announcer. Wasn't very popular, not really. They actually
thought I should be barefoot.

Speaker 4 (01:44:02):
I'm pregnant.

Speaker 14 (01:44:03):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Not shocked by that. No, No, After the first game
they were like, now, what a lady? You got a lady?
What it is?

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
Anchor?

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
Mad lady?

Speaker 14 (01:44:21):
Yeah, got a little abuse on sports shows?

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Oh good bad.

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
I bet you took a lot of health. Those like
on the ticket down there in Dallas.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
I bet the game they became my buddies. No, actually
the ticket supported me. It was their listeners that But
actually the guys on that station down there are very nice.

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
Love that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
Gordon Keith is a good guy down there, says mornings
is it the musers? Is that the show? The morning
show that was on the ticket down there.

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
It was a long time Ageah oh yeah, and what
was his name?

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
Greg?

Speaker 4 (01:44:52):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
I love those guys. Yeah, they were huge supporters of mine. Listen.
That's good, that's good. But the listeners tend to be
the ones that are evil alt of the time, you know.
That's what I've learned.

Speaker 14 (01:45:02):
But the worst was, like, you know, I drive to
work because I was on the air in the morning,
so then I'd have to drive to work.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
Listen to these people say awful things about me, and
then oh I'll go entertain now. Yeah, that you got
to keep your mind right and that that's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
Hell.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
I was on Facebook last night reading about how much
I suck, and I damn near cried, So I can
only imagine. I didn't cry. I didn't know. It was
so fun yesterday Saturday the Toolbox. It was a very
good time. It was I know, you were having a
good time, and it was three hundred listeners there. Yeah,
it was a good time.

Speaker 7 (01:45:32):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
Right, we should do more things. We should do things.
Now that Doug's gone, nobody's going to do things anymore.
That's sad. I'm sad again because when Doug leaves, No,
you passed the sword to you. It's not you things.
I have Dug's sword. It's a very homoerotic image that
ja GBT just created of us with the sword being
passed down.

Speaker 4 (01:45:55):
Slim, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
That's God that's been holding Dutch. I'm like, who's behind who?
That's Doug sword. That's me at Josh's feet.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
I'm the damsel in distress. But somehow I need to
get Doug in this picture too, though.

Speaker 2 (01:46:07):
It's got to be like then we're asking he needs
to bequeathed that sword to me or betrothed. I don't
know what the word is, but he needs to give
me the sword. Maybe we can have his like picture
in the background, like this guy. Yeah, that's like a
I don't know if you knew this, Slim, but I'm
new Doug, so I want you to spread the word
around the building. But they didn't hear. They weren't listening

(01:46:28):
all you were. He's held sword in his hand. I
have Doug's sword in my hand. I look, I'm new Doug.
I'm the new doctor in town. I'm gonna start calling
myself the doc of Rock.

Speaker 4 (01:46:41):
Now you can't take that from I just did. I
just took it by the doctor. I'm the doctor of Rock,
or the surgeon the surgeon.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
I'm the surgeon general of Rock. Jomd is what I'm
going to start like, I'm a quincy. Ah, so I'm
the new Just so all of you old people on
Facebook who hate me know, there's a new doctor in
town and I'm here to take over. And first things first,
we're playing no music from here on out. I'm talking,

(01:47:13):
I'm filibustering, and we're locking the door. So bend over
and spread it fans who just want music. But anyway,
that was very great. That was that was graphic? Sorry
was it do graphic for you?

Speaker 10 (01:47:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
I was a little That was a little uncomfortable. Yeah,
I think you should. What do you think this is?
This is not smut. I'm sorry that was smut. Forgot
I forgot what program I was a part of. Yeah,
there's a doctor in here now, and I got a
prescripe that that's why they're bending over and spreading it
because you got to give them that exam. Oh yeah,
that's a good point. That's a medical thing. Yes, oh, okay,
you're fine. I take it back. It was sexual No, No,

(01:47:46):
I see we're checking for like cancer.

Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
Yes, oh we're good. Yeah, we're good. Then no polyps,
no good, no polyps at all.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
No, that's great, all right, anyway, Slim, thank you for
coming in anytime. I mean, you were a lady PA
announcer or you were treated unfairly by the next down
there in Texas. You know, Kennedy got shot down there too,
and so I think here's what happened with Dallas. So
that's where old John F. Kennedy got plugged, right, And

(01:48:16):
I think they have a complex about that, Like it's
a weird thing in Dallas, like they feel uncomfortable with
the fact that the president was shot there and they've
never actually gotten over it. Well, it's kind of interesting.
So when I went on my interview, that's where my
PD my program director, actually too. We're going to No, no,
he really did. He drove me right past the I.

Speaker 4 (01:48:34):
Was like, okay, do I really a great spot for lunch?

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
Yeah? Yeah, come on, we'll just put and we're just
going to.

Speaker 4 (01:48:43):
Made some sandwiches, right right.

Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
So yeah, I thought it was a little weird. It's
a little strange, right, But well so they know him
for they're not really I mean, what did they take
you to see in Dallas. It's just a big, big
city with really nothing that's interesting. Well now it is.

Speaker 14 (01:48:56):
I mean, now it's you know, there's more culture and
stuff like that, and it's really grown. Like towards North Dallas,
it was nothing. It was like, you know, horses and
cows and now it's all like big real estate and yeah,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
And it wasn't. It was just big glass buildings and
nothing of personality whatsoever.

Speaker 14 (01:49:14):
But you know, it was I don't know, there was
a lot of culture to the city though.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
They really tell you what. There wasn't a lady Pa
announcer for the hockey team. There was And then they say,
how did they fire you for that? That they bring
you in there?

Speaker 4 (01:49:24):
They can really fire you, They just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
They just stopped calling I need you.

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
Well and if you don't hear from us, well good luck.
Some big balls guy takes over the next year. Like
you go to a hockey game and there's some ra
type of guy and you're like, I guess I don't
have the job any right, right, Well it kind of
turned out their way, Well how did you get the job?
Like what did they do? Like how did they reach
out to So?

Speaker 14 (01:49:51):
When I lived in Minneapolis, I was on the air,
so it was always on the air. I was a DJ,
so I worked at a station like a rock station.
And Mike Madonna, who is a pretty well known hockey player,
is from here. He and I were friendly when we were,
you know, growing up in the Ice Creek and stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Yeah, I mean because he was he's younger than me.
It's like a little brother.

Speaker 14 (01:50:11):
Come on, John, I'm just asking if you were intimate
with my No, he's like, he's a good friend.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
So, okay, friends can can kiss, but I had to
ask it was my responsive friends kiss That might be
the crop that was really have you guys seen the
whole Doc's sword?

Speaker 14 (01:50:33):
So Mike and I were friends. I moved to Minneapolis
for a gig and he was on the team. There
was a North Star and they were moving down to Dallas.
I went down to Dallas, my you know job, moved
down there, and uh, they said, you want to do
like do you know that I was a figure skater?

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
No, okay, wow by CHRISTI Yamagucci skater. Yeow, you're like
Tara Lipinski. I wasn't that good or else I would
have like want to metal. But anyway, he's got a
figure skating names that you knows, I know, yeah, you know,
are you like the one that bashed the one over
the knee. Yeah right.

Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
Were you more of a Nancy or a Tanya?

Speaker 14 (01:51:15):
I was a Nancy okay, yeah, yeah yeah so yeah,
so I you know, I grew up figure skating. I
moved down to you know, when I was down in Dallas,
and then they were like, well, why don't you do
like a skating routine before the game.

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
And I was like, yeah, no, not.

Speaker 9 (01:51:29):
Really, all right, everybody makes no noise for your pa
announcer come this with a triple as.

Speaker 14 (01:51:39):
So I was like, yeah no, and they're like, okay,
why don't you try doing an announcement? And I'm like, okay, cool.
So there were no seats in Reunion Arena at that time.
And then they said, you know, do announce you know,
a goal for Mike, so, you know, scoring for number
nine Mike Madonna, you know, did.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
The whole spiel, and they were like, you're hired, like
this a novelty. Hockey in Texas is already a novelty,
so let's have a lady announcer just doing all sorts
of novelties. And then we had to teach hockey one
on one. Oh I bet the idea that hockey left
Minnesota to go to Texas is truly one of the
great upsets of all time. It's kind of like the
jazz still existing in Utah and leaving New Orleans and

(01:52:16):
still being the Utah Jazz where there are literally no
black people except the bast I don't think play jazz
in Utah. I don't think you are. I think it's
a crime, Like I don't believe you're allowed to play jazz.
But that's truth though. So that's interesting to me though
that like basically have to teach hockey. They stole the
hockey team from Minnesota and that's all they have is hockey.

(01:52:36):
That's what they love in Minnesota, right, And then they said,
we're gonna do lady announcer now because lady announcers. We
got lady announcer, We've got hockey here. We're gonna change
the game. And it wasn't that long after that they
won the Stanley Cup. Yeah, it's only a couple of years.
They became good, like instantly, it was wild. Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
But you didn't get to be there for the Stanley Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
No, no, no, no, I was there. But something I
understand is they felt that the way to the Stanley
Cup was to dump the lady announcer, but just not
tell her that they were dumping the lady. An Well,
they didn't tell me they ghosted. They ghosted the lady.
You got ghosted by the Dallas Stars. That's a great story, though,

(01:53:15):
Just say you got to say he got just ghosted
by the Dallas Stars. One day, I was the PA
announcer getting harassed by all these rednecks. Yeah, and then
the next minute, I'm not getting calls from the Dallas
Stars anymore. Did you call them to be like, hey, so.

Speaker 4 (01:53:28):
What's the deal?

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
I think I read it in the paper. I guess
that's it. She was a headline like, oh it, stars
announced new PA announcers Like, oh wow, that's I mean.
Headline reads like mercifully stars dump lady announcers, City rejoices.
I don't think so. At that point they liked me.

(01:53:50):
On they whack you. They've decided that they liked you.
They're all right. Well I tried to vamp as long
as I could to see Doug would come back. Yeah,
do Mojo's got him now? All right? Anyway, I love
to Doug, and I gotta get pick to work here,
all right? Cool? You go, Love you by see you later.

(01:54:12):
I was trying to get Drew on the phone here
to talk with Doug, but I don't have Doug or
Drew o I guesthing, so I could just call Drew
and vamp until Like, honestly, who cares what? Like, I'm
sure that look, I'm going to assume that we have
all sorts of changes coming to the station anyway, because
Doug's leaving, so that causes a ripple effect. I would
imagine I could stay on here till eleven o'clock. If
I really want to do what's casey gonna do? Let

(01:54:37):
me text Drew really quick. So anyway, can can you
go do what they did to us and go look
through Mojo's and see if we can get Doug back there?
Just just look really intense and then disappear for a
second and then poke your head around again. Oh yeah,
there's a huge go to the big window. Yeah, like, hey,
tap your watch, Hey, we need you know the guy

(01:55:01):
that's on this station, let me see I might, I
don't know, but I wonder if Drew is recording this
podcast right now. Oh no way, you don't say, Boy,
we're gonna get in a lot of trouble for even
intimating that maybe we'd like, you know, Doug to come
back and hang out with us on the station that
you know he's on. So I guess my option is,
since Doug is up here, we could just tell Rob

(01:55:22):
to kick rocks and we'll handle this for a while.
We could, because that's what Doug would want us to do. Oh,
Doug's back there, he is, so anyway, No, dog, do
you think we should just stay on? That's one of
your big things, right, You're like, well, you guys should
stay on till like ten thirty?

Speaker 4 (01:55:39):
Well, I do did my concerned?

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
Did my concern to look looking to the Mojo studio trigger?
Did he come back in? Do they get the end?

Speaker 4 (01:55:46):
He stays on?

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
I know what he's important. Whatever he was, he could
change the name to Mojo FM and they wouldn't care.
See now, people didn't used to do that. And you
know Doug invented that now, he said, kind of did
I kind of invented from Howard? Well you just missed Sarah.

(01:56:08):
Sorry Sarah Slim, she was just in here looking for
you again. Well, we worked together.

Speaker 13 (01:56:16):
At several stations. Actually, look at that she was a DJ.
I hired her as a DJ back in the day
when she was like twenty one years old.

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
You're a man. You're a man that you know what
you're doing. You know your way around this radio business. Sure,
you want to retire, you should stay. Just have you
changed your mind in.

Speaker 4 (01:56:32):
The last two hours.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
That's funny. I got you guys here. You know what.
Screw it?

Speaker 4 (01:56:35):
I was wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
Unreleased the press release with my army. See, I'm gonna
play some commercials and if Drew Lane happens to call
me back, oh yeah, no, if he calls back, we'll
get Drew on the phone. And if not, we'll let
Rob come in here. He's out there, very angry. He's
steaming right now. He wants to talk up some I
don't know, some nine inch nails. But we're gonna say no, sir,
if Drew Lane actually calls us, all right, so stay there.

(01:56:58):
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Speaker 1 (01:57:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
All right, let's see here. I think I can get
Drew Lane on the phone in a second. All right,
so doc, let's get Drew on the phone. Okay, it's
Doug Podell day is Doug Podela. He's retiring, So tell
Rob to just show maybe maybe Mojo all have Rob
on ro get over there. So let's play a couple
of commercials and I'm gonna get Drew on the phone.

(01:57:31):
Here's the Josh Innis Show Extra today. I's the Beastie
Boys on one oh six point seven Detroit's Wheels. So
I just got a text from Drew who says he
can't do it at the moment. So we'll just push
this back because I'm sure Doug will come up and
hang out with us again before he hangs it up,
because why not. I mean, we'll get his ass up
here at eight in the morning. So I mean you'll
have all the time to sleep when you retires. I mean, yeah, definitely,

(01:57:51):
So you'll have to come up here and share more
stories with us. I mean, because you're the best. We
enjoy your stories. You've got that, We truly enjoy them.
It's amazing, you know.

Speaker 13 (01:57:58):
I just want to thank you guys though, for letting
me come on and do it here at eight am,
uh today. But I really meant it when I said
that I love you guys, and I really think that
You're going to be a big part of the Detroit
you know morning, you know fiasco that goes on every day,
and Josh, you're killing it, James, you know you're You've

(01:58:20):
been a big part of it already, so you know
where where things are going. And uh, I'm just excited
for you guys, really and I and I wanted to
be a part of this at least while I'm still here.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
Well, we love you too, Doc, and it is awesome.
And you'll have to come up a couple more times
before you roll out. Yes, you signing up for more
and more and more. We'll send one more time. We'll
got to come up a couple of times. We need
you here for a whole week. We'll get you up
here at five forty five tomorrow and uh, we'll just
get you a line put in your house so you
can just join us at any time. I gave the

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Doug line dougs on and then of course you remember Doug.
I mean the wheels, the original WEE and W A
b X and of course Country one O four four
fifty seven.

Speaker 15 (01:59:05):
And we're checking in with news from the source signed
Detroit's Country one hose six weather forecast throughout the rest
of the afternoon. Today, they're calling for a drizzle and
light rain with little or no snow accumulation, and then
tonight occasional light rain early and then snow right circulations
of wind just possibly by morning. Wrap tomorrow mostly cloudy, windy,

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and cold, with a good chance of snow flurries throughout
the day.

Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
And I expected only to get near the love the
weather around town, some conditions fifty nine and screw you.

Speaker 4 (01:59:41):
Five o'clock.

Speaker 15 (01:59:41):
You were listening to wub doubu w Detroit Country one
oh six?

Speaker 2 (01:59:49):
Were these out? You're playing records?

Speaker 1 (01:59:51):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
These are just like flatters. You're actually playing records. Yeah,
had up over there.

Speaker 3 (01:59:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:56):
See, this used to be a skill. That's not a
skill anymore because everything's.

Speaker 4 (01:59:59):
On a compute.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:59:59):
You're talking and you're holding that record by your finger.
Yeah now, and the and the table is moving underneath it,
and then you let it go.

Speaker 2 (02:00:09):
Yeah, and that's how you do it.

Speaker 5 (02:00:10):
Now.

Speaker 4 (02:00:10):
We hit a button, yeah, f nine and then everything go.

Speaker 2 (02:00:19):
What is that song?

Speaker 3 (02:00:20):
Doug?

Speaker 4 (02:00:21):
I know, he's like, I just played, but they told
me to play. We were playing that the old school. Really, Oh, I.

Speaker 2 (02:00:34):
Know, I've listened to this people calling I want to
hear such and such for nineteen sixty five. They were
old when you were playing them for five minutes. Now
that that was the old school country. I will say this.
This is right around the time though, of like Urban Cowboys,
so country was kind of coming into Vogue's probably why
they flipped it to that because this would have been
like with Urban Cowboy and Charlie Daniels was a huge

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crossover country rock artist any Rogers. But let's say it's
five o'clock country.

Speaker 15 (02:01:03):
When I was six, we ad Sylvia in there with
the Drifter and Waylon Jennings from nineteen sixty eight.

Speaker 2 (02:01:08):
It's only Daddy that'll walk the line. Two five dous
always a song about Daddy and walk in the line.
It's only Daddy that'll walk to the.

Speaker 15 (02:01:15):
Sixty YouTube sixty five five numbers to call for your
suggestions as he's.

Speaker 4 (02:01:22):
Gonna go home right now and fill out a report,
like to get it taken down.

Speaker 13 (02:01:26):
The thing is, I'm listening to this, I still say
a lot of the same stuff I'm saying now.

Speaker 15 (02:01:32):
Forty years replus lines are steaming like a plate of
hot tacos.

Speaker 2 (02:01:36):
Today we have my man likes ethnic foods. They used
to use a lot of Mexican food references. We were listening.

Speaker 15 (02:01:43):
I do love Mexican food. You do so much happening here.
We've got some free albums to give away once again.
This hour another Ronnie Mills have Greatest Shill stay with us.
We'll put some more live phone calls on the air
the same time within the next couple of hours, and
we'll be right back to the music.

Speaker 4 (02:01:57):
He'll just let me run this.

Speaker 2 (02:02:02):
I enjoy. We got that brand new Ronnie Mill seton
Greatest Tense album. See you take a call here we
have one Lewis Top five nineteen fifty eight. Going back
Marty Robbins from nineteen fifty eight.

Speaker 4 (02:02:24):
I'm telling you, man, whoa look at me?

Speaker 15 (02:02:27):
Here's El Paso Phase four singing the blues and Eddie
Raven with piece of We got nine loans.

Speaker 2 (02:02:34):
Oh my, you've got two lines and I wanted to get.

Speaker 3 (02:02:36):
A whole third.

Speaker 15 (02:02:38):
That can't as see you tonight for the Charlie Daniels Band,
Long Haired Cache Boy. That's a time you tucker just
in front of that can't ask you tonight? For twenty
eight eight This is Country one oh six.

Speaker 2 (02:02:52):
Hello the country, the most popular DJ on this entire radio. WHOA,
I've been told that a number of times. Are you
talking to a man in space? Like? These phone lines
sound like they're on a space ship, like you're on
a CB radio. Hey, I can do that, all right? Here,

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hold on, then, let me see here, Let me get
a let me pull up the phone. Who just text me?
Who is it that master himself? Alight, let's see here,
ham me me or let me get actually, let me
do this. How would I play now? I'm not gonna
play a song? Forget it at this point. I mean
we've already done. We've already destroyed everything today.

Speaker 10 (02:03:36):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (02:03:37):
All right, let's see here, I'll call so yeah, this
is a different radio world. We don't have a call screener.
I am the call screener. You're not supposed to call
him on your phone though, right, all right, let me
do this. Hold on, what don't we oh?

Speaker 5 (02:03:55):
Hell?

Speaker 2 (02:03:55):
Hell, let me see here, hold on, let me get
the info. Aha, all right, here we go. Let me
make sure things are a lot different than back in
your day. I have to do this all on a computer.
So it seems like we're about to get the nude.

Speaker 4 (02:04:10):
On the phone.

Speaker 2 (02:04:11):
Hey, while you've got him, can you ask him to
get the damn Yankees back together? I think if you ask, well,
I got you here. I need to use you for this.
Let's see if we get this name it Jack Blades.

Speaker 4 (02:04:21):
I've been talking. I'll find this out.

Speaker 2 (02:04:27):
You got me, Ted, We got you?

Speaker 4 (02:04:30):
How you doing, Ted? Thank you so much?

Speaker 2 (02:04:33):
Oh my pleasure.

Speaker 3 (02:04:34):
Matter.

Speaker 2 (02:04:35):
Are we on the air right now at Pudell? Yes,
we are.

Speaker 13 (02:04:37):
We're on the air, and it's uh, it's my my,
my fiftieth anniversary and I'm retiring today.

Speaker 4 (02:04:44):
Only fifty.

Speaker 2 (02:04:45):
My goodness, I think he had got sixty nine years.

Speaker 3 (02:04:48):
Rock and ROLLO. You are my rock and roll MotorCity Daddy.
You are the big Kohuna of real soul music in
the Motor City Doug. You know that all the real
rock and rollers and all real music lovers and we
the people rock solid and the rhythm and blues, rock
and roll, soul music Motown asset column.

Speaker 2 (02:05:05):
We love Doc rock.

Speaker 3 (02:05:09):
Ted.

Speaker 2 (02:05:10):
I love you, man, and uh, I want to thank
you for that tour of your uh of your pole
Barn too, by the way, that was so much fun.

Speaker 3 (02:05:18):
I'm in Pole Barn right now, so I might sound
a little drunk because I'm drunk on AMMO.

Speaker 2 (02:05:24):
And well, I know you're getting ready. I know you're
getting ready to uh to do some honting.

Speaker 4 (02:05:31):
Right you think you think got ready?

Speaker 2 (02:05:36):
So let me interrupt to you. This is Josh and James,
the Josh and His Show. I had you on a
couple of months ago, ted uh, I do want to
ask you though, so how did it come about that
you ended up getting the radio show? Because that was
Doug's idea, right, well, it was Doug's idea.

Speaker 3 (02:05:50):
He couldn't escape the idea because he knows who's the
really funniest.

Speaker 2 (02:05:54):
Guy in America.

Speaker 3 (02:05:55):
We need funny guys on the radio, Josh and James,
you're talking to him. No, Doug knows that I really
celebrate the origins, the emotions, the spirit, the defiance, all
those middle fingers, the fun, the fun factor of rock
and roll. I just stink of that stuff. And it's
your favorite stink. So it was his favorite stink and

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it's all real MotorCity music lover stink. So he said, boy,
we got to get pet a microphone and let him
go nuts.

Speaker 4 (02:06:22):
And I'm so good at it, speaking of stink.

Speaker 13 (02:06:24):
So I walked into the studio or the station actually,
and it's a long hallway to the studio, and there
were at least seven haibachis set up.

Speaker 4 (02:06:35):
Little Habachi's all fired up, and everyone.

Speaker 13 (02:06:39):
Had venison and a different a different meat and eggs
and potatoes, and Ted was making breakfast and the whole
place reeked of veniceon you know.

Speaker 4 (02:06:52):
But we had a good time, boy, I'll tell you.

Speaker 13 (02:06:54):
And uh so we're we're in there and Ted's got
his guitar and he's new to lead around and we're
playing Stranglehold, and all of a sudden, I just put
up the mic, you know, and Ted started playing his
guitar to the song on the record. And that I mean,
talk about the hair standing up on your arm. Oh
my god, Ted, my hair.

Speaker 2 (02:07:16):
Is standing up on my arm right now.

Speaker 3 (02:07:19):
Talking about my guitar during the greatest guitar lick song
in the history of the world.

Speaker 2 (02:07:24):
With the boxies and cooking deer meat. I mean, I'm
give it all over again. I'm actually I'm actually.

Speaker 3 (02:07:34):
In the Jack and County pull bart. I got my
I got my sixty six Bronco fired up, I got
my seventy four Bronco fire I got my f two
fifty v ten fired up, getting past this cold and
everything's covered in snow, but with all sincerity, because every
word out of my mouth is sincere. Those of us
that love this music, we love the pissing vinegar, the energy,

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the spirit of this music. Doug, you've really represented that,
Jose in the songs. You don't just talk about general topics.
You really exude and represent the spirit of all of
us real music lovers out there. And as a radio guy,
we value that more than you'll ever know.

Speaker 1 (02:08:14):
So thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:08:15):
I want to still keep in touch with you during
your retirement because you're gonna need a bot you with Benison.

Speaker 4 (02:08:22):
Yeah, thank you, Ted, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (02:08:27):
You know, you've been a big part of not only
my musical career growing up, but then of course all
throughout the year, in all throughout my career, and it's
just been a fantastic love fest, and it really is.

Speaker 3 (02:08:42):
About you know, we could just we could just have
a musical relationship and that would be awesome. And I
have a lot of those, and they're all wonderful from
every musician and every industry guy. But I've made great
friends and you've been a great friend, whether there was
killer music or not is if you could get away
from it. But you know, it's it's about it's about
the history of and I keep using the word spirit now.

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I was born in Detroit nineteen forty eight. Les Paul
had just electrified the Damn Guitar and motown with Robert
White down at Hitsville, USA, started showing us what to
do with the lawn chuck during Bo Diddley and all
the founding fathers of real music. And that would have
been more than enough. But you're a great man. You're
a great friend. I use the term blood brother, and

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as I will.

Speaker 2 (02:09:26):
Always be there for you, I know you will always
be there for me.

Speaker 3 (02:09:30):
And our families. So it's a lot more than just
a music radio relationship. And again, music radio relationships are cool,
they're great. I have many of them, and they're all genuine.
But you're a great friend, Doug. So we're gonna keep
in touch, and we're gonna eat some Michiganiac chow marea
ham trap and get some pullock food.

Speaker 13 (02:09:54):
Oh man, thank you so much, Jed. I appreciate you
taking the time out. I know you're getting ready to,
you know, whack them and stack them, but I could.
I couldn't walk off the airwaves without talking to you.

Speaker 3 (02:10:08):
I sincerely appreciate that. So God bless you and James
and Josh. You guys carry out the tradition. We've we've
got the framework for the ultimate radio in Detroit, and
Doug Pudell.

Speaker 2 (02:10:18):
Has helped create that. So Doug, God blessed, God's speed.

Speaker 3 (02:10:22):
Today is the two hundred and fifty of the anniversary
of the United States Marine Corps. So simplify to everybody
out there, because you and I are not actually US
Marine Corps warriors, but we have that same American bondie bonding.

Speaker 2 (02:10:35):
So thank you very much for that.

Speaker 3 (02:10:37):
God blessed, God's speed, Good luck and congratulations, and thanks
for including the old MotorCity mad Man in your illustrious
musical career.

Speaker 4 (02:10:44):
Absolutely, thank you so much, Ted, thank you man. Living
up guys, happy to giving every day. Yes, that is
the MotorCity mad Man. Huge, very cool to see.

Speaker 2 (02:10:56):
How cool is that because you were part of it,
when you're input in your idea of what was good mattered,
like like if I think Damn Yankees is good, I mean,
no one's gonna care because I don't make those decisions.
You helped create tastes for like you were a taste maker.
As a guy who picked music on ivay station, you
were a taste I was a fan.

Speaker 13 (02:11:16):
I've been a big fan of all local music in Detroit,
all of the bands, but he was always special.

Speaker 2 (02:11:22):
Yeah, who was not a fan of Doug? Tell me this,
and I bet you won't, but you should because we
like the dirt. We want you to sell the tea.

Speaker 4 (02:11:32):
There is one band, but I'm not even gonna bring him.

Speaker 2 (02:11:35):
Up cliphanger for the next time he comes in. So
but again, if you're just tuning into the radio station,
Doug is retiring. His last show will be December fifth.
So we've had Well I feel good now though, I
feel like I can I can walk away. Well, I mean,
you've getten You've gotten permission from Ted Nugent, so that's

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that's all you need.

Speaker 4 (02:11:57):
And you're gonna be best friends.

Speaker 3 (02:11:58):
Still.

Speaker 2 (02:11:58):
He's gonna take you hunting them Well, he took me
to take me hunting, but I didn't go.

Speaker 13 (02:12:06):
I wasn't prepared enough to shoot the guns that this
guy's got, so I just kind of hung out.

Speaker 2 (02:12:14):
And what happened was is we went down there to
do some hunting. He has wild boar at the time
us back in the eighties, and he also had a
store called the Spirit of the Wild. So we decided
to just have lunch, and then he took me over
to the Spirit of the Wild store and he said.

Speaker 4 (02:12:33):
Doug, take anything you want.

Speaker 13 (02:12:35):
Of course, there's not much I really need since I'm
not a hunter, but I found this cassette that was there,
and it was Great White Buffalo Live. It was also
something that was called the Hunting Song, which was kind
of a instrumental bass song. And then on the other

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side was fred Bear the song Fred Bear. And as
I'm driving home, I mean literally my hair was standing
up on my arms listening to this song. And the
next day he's coming in right and I had it
all ready to go. I'm one of those carts and

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started playing fred Baer and it became the number one
requested song, and still to this day it's still especially
right now during hunting season, it's still went' And so
recently it came out on a on a twelve inch
vinyl that was put out by Silent City Records with

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his drummer Jason Hartler's Junior put a label together put
this Fred bear out all the different versions, and they
let me do the you know forward.

Speaker 2 (02:13:48):
Oh my god. Yeah, I got to tell you the
first one to play it. So I was the first
one to play because that's iconic. That's what people think
of the nude, especially in concert.

Speaker 13 (02:13:58):
Fred Behar is like Jack, I was the first one
to play it because I said to him, I go, man,
this is like the greatest song you've ever written. He goes, man,
I just put this out, you know, like for the Hunters.
You know, he never expected it to be played.

Speaker 2 (02:14:10):
And to this day he still gives me so much credit,
you know, for for making that song or breaking it
open letting people hear it. So, yeah, we've had a
great relationship and it's been a lot of fun, and
he's been fantastic to not only me, but my daughter
and my wife. So that's very cool. So I guess

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we'll get out of here on the door now. He's
very angry. He says, this is my I think I
think these are Rob's words. He said, screw the dock
of rock Lob time. That's what he said, Rob time.
All right, we love you, Doc you coming up here again.
I will congratulations.

Speaker 4 (02:14:50):
I will all right?

Speaker 2 (02:14:51):
Cool? So anyway, let's play some rock and roll. Now
Here is White Snake? Did you break White Snake?

Speaker 4 (02:14:56):
Yes? I David Coverdale, jubalous?

Speaker 2 (02:15:02):
How you are?

Speaker 4 (02:15:03):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (02:15:03):
My son?

Speaker 4 (02:15:04):
You know he'd come in the studio and oh boy,
he was a character.

Speaker 2 (02:15:10):
Did you ever bring Tawny Kataane with him to the studio?

Speaker 4 (02:15:12):
I think he did once?

Speaker 2 (02:15:14):
Yeah for you he did. Well, that'll be a different
story for a different day, but for now. A song
that Doug Podell made a number one hit, It's here
I Go again. We will see you tomorrow.