November 28, 2025 • 40 mins
This week on The Panel, Tim Beveridge is joined by sociology professor Paul Spoonley and NZ Gardener editor Jo McCarroll, to discuss the biggest stories from the week that was.
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It is eight and a bit past three.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Tim Beveridge on the Weekend Collective called Night News Dogs.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
That'd be yeah, So time to introduce our panelists and
he is summerly a tired today as a professor of
professor of sociology. You know, do you wear that to university?
Paul Spoonley?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I do?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I do, very summary and thank you.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Yeah, I try to lift the mood of it.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, Actually, what's the dress standard at university when you're electuring?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
There is no dress used to be that you'd wear it?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Would you wear a tie. In the old days, maybe.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I never wore a tie, but certainly, certainly a suit,
a certainly a jacket.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Depends what you're teaching. I guess with sociology, you'd probably
wear shorts romans.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
And you want to, yeah, find with students, don't you.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Anyway, Hey, nice to have you here, Paul. And she
is editor of New Zealand Garden Magazine, and she's brought me,
as ever a couple of gorgeous editions, the decease Aradition,
as well as a special on gardening for health and
well Being, which in that sentence I would have thought
it was self explanatory that it's great for health and
well being. But anyway, Joe McCarroll, Hello.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Good morning, afternoon.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Good night, cover your basis. Hey, I just wanted to
pick your brains on something quickly. I've I quite like
a sandwich. I baked my own bread, and I was
looking forward to having cheese, tomato, lettuce or something bacon
and every tomato I brought recently tomatoes from the supermarket,
I'm gonna have to start growing them because they just
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are watery, slightly acidic, barely sweet. God, they're ordinary. What's
going on?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
I can tell you the one thing that makes a
difference to the flavor of tomatoes you buy from the
soupermarket is they have been cool stored. Yeah, and if
a tomato is everyone thinks it's about the sugar. And
there are tricks you can do with tomatoes, like right
before you harvest them. If you put them under a
little bit of drought stress just prior to harvesting, you
will raise the bricks level. The sugar levels will be
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higher our fruit. But it's not the sugar that makes
difference to the flavor. It's the volatile oils and the
volatile compounds, and they are lost in cool store. So
if you buy tomatoes from the supermarket that have been
cool stored, or you keep your tomatoes in your fridge,
you will never get the same flavor. But yeah, grow
your own.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So I've for got no hope of buying a decent
tomato at the supermarket.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
You absolutely can, but I would say you want to
buy tomatoes that haven't been cool stored as close as
possible to the grower as you can. You can join
Great Tomatoes.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Jo, how do you know? How would you know that
you're getting a tomato which is a bit of flavor
that hasn't been cool stored.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
I'd ask, oh, would you okay, to be honest, But
also i'd say, if you're getting tomatoes from the supermarket,
they're very likely to have been cool stored. They are
transported chilled, and that means you will never get a
good flavor. If you are growing them yourself and you
want them to have more flavor, try and leave them
on the plant as long as you can. This is
a gardening hour, isn't it, Like.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Ah, well no, I just look, look, the sun is shining,
it's a beautiful day, and we're eating summary foods and salads.
It's topical.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
It's always topical. But yeah, I agree, So yeah, leave
them on the plant a little bit longer. You'll always
get a better flavor profile. But don't keep them in
the French.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
When do I need to plant them? Thinking ahead to
next year, when do I need a plant?
Speaker 5 (05:21):
You can still plant tomatoes. Definitely, not too late, Absolutely
no problem. Put a ceiling in this weekend, you can
plant them. And you're in Auckland as I am, you
can plant them right through. You could be planting cherry
tomatoes in January. Be fine. You'd still get a harvest.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Thank you for sharing that, because I thought it was
just I thought I was just having bad luck. So
I kept on buying them, and I was just like anyway.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
I'd say, if you want to buy great tomatoes, try
the markets. You're likely to be buying them closer from
someone who grows them.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Right, let's get into it, shall we. Well we did
get into it, we just started with tomatoes. Now. The
WYPA District Council there's welcome the addition of feral cats
to New Zealand's predator Free twenty fifty strategy, calling it
a major boost for native wildlife of courseeople on both
sides of this, So why cattow Animals shelters raised animal
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welfare concerns. But anyway, we're going to try and get
rid of all our feral cats. There's million, there's I
mean there's I think there's at least a couple of
million of them, two and a half million, two and
a half million feral cats. Yes, I mean obviously the
toll and pressure on native birds, bats, lizards and and sets.
Do you support getting rid of the old feral cats
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and how should we do it?
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I absolutely support feral cats being added to being considered
to be introduced predators as they are, and I think
we need to get rid of them, as we need
to get rid of any introduced predators that are putting
an unbearable strain on our noted biodiversity in a way
that is as instant as possible and as humane as possible.
They are a human caused problem. They are not themselves
to blame, but they are the wrong animal in the
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wrong place.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Method of the method of killing them. I mean this
is where people say, well, poisons know good. There are
some groups you think we should capture them they're new
to them and then put them back into the wild.
And I'm like, which to me is kind of one and
ridiculously expensive, impractical, and and basically it's like, although the
cat's going to eventually wear out, it's still going.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
To eat killing killing machine time my understanding, we were
at Arthur's Pass in the South Island and they've got
a they've got a feral cat that's been killed and
mounted there. The biggest cat as well, you know, as
in texadomy, But the biggest cat they had was an
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eight kilogram cat and they had tracked it, and they
tracked it across the Southern Alps, so it'd gone right
across the Great Divide and they're just they're everywhere for
a start. But my understanding is that they need to
capture them because many of the traps also attract birds
like here, so they've got to give them in the
trap and then kill them.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Rather look, I think just killed. You need to send
send a bunch out of people and pay them, pay
them five dollars a dead cat. Hunters shoot them, But
I mean, I know that sounds terrible what we do.
I mean, hunting is a thing in New Zealand. We
hunt all you know, hunters hunt deer and goats and
things like that. I just think shoot them.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
But I also think we need to set a lot
more expectations on people who own cats. And I own cats,
you know what I mean, Like we have two riscue
kittens that bring great joy to our lives. You know,
I've been a cat owner my whole life. But I
think cat should be registered. I think the expectations should
be your cats are inside at night or inside the
old time. They all should be micro chipped. You know
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I think this, you know you just you see it
online right now in kitten season, you'll see, you know,
free kittens to a good home. I'm like, imagine if
people were doing that with you know, dogs or horses.
You know, it's just crazy that there are so few registrations.
There's so few restrictions on the owning of cats. And
until we have those restrictions, the predator control won't solve
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the problem because we'll continue to create the problem.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
By the way, on the weird animal stories, just to
touch on this, did you see I almost thought this
was at April folls. You know how when April falls
comes around, the news will put out silly stories that
you know aren't really to be believed. But the story
about putin Russia is Pineing pioneering remote controlled spied pigeons,
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spy pigeons with brain implants that can fly at well,
not their own will, but the person who's controlling them.
So they've had some sort of neural chip implanted. It
allows technicians to direct their flight routes. They can be
stirred remotely in real time. And the pigeon, apparently, when
it gets a stimulus, believes it wants to fly. And
I don't know what you would use a spy pigeon.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
For none of us. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Haven't they heard of drones? I mean, why would you?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Well, a drone is something you might pack up on
a radar, whereas a pigeon flying is just it's just
a bird. But I don't know what you're going to do.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
During the Second World War, they did train dogs to
run under tanks and they loaded up the dog with explosives. Yeah,
well that's where it goes.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Desperate needs call for desperate deeds. I guess really did
that they did.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
I believe there's an underwater mission silo, and part of
which exists now in the real world, and part of
the protection around it is trained dolphins.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Wow, I mean Americans have spent a bomb on I think.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I think that.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
ESA has always pushed the limit of what seems believable,
and I'm not at all surprised about the pigeons. I'd say, well,
they can cover apparently they reckon.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
They can cover about three hundred miles a day, more
than eighteen hundred and fifty miles a week. And it's
actually the technology apparently could be put out to any sort.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Of be used to combat feral cats.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Well, that's why I reckon the cat's.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Catch them the pigeons turn.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yes, interesting thought, it's nice, nice that you're working on
this problem job anyway. On the other look, on the
bigger side of the political ledger, the scrapping of the
regional councils, so that you know, it's built as the
biggest counts to shake up in councils in thirty years.
But basically the government's going to downsize everything and get
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rid of a bunch of regional councils. The mayors are
going to be sitting on different boards to govern this.
We've got sixteen hundred elected the local government officials in
New Zealand, which does seem a lot for five million people,
although I've googled a few things in scanning. Over in
Iceland they've got a ridiculous number as well, and so
we're not the only ones. But Paul, what do you
make of do you support this?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I'm still a bit puzzled about this in terms of
what the problem is. What are they trying to solve
And part of my puzzlement is they're not doing away
with the bureaucracies that sit under regional councils. They stay
there and then they're saying to the the mayors locally,
you guys are going to come and make the decisions
around this, and I just don't see that working particularly well.
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I have a property at Hawk's Bay I've got there
are four councils. Some of those councils control areas which
are very large, So do the mayor from that area
get additional votes? I just I'm a bit puzzled by
all of.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
The Well, that's right, I mean that the plan is
to get rid of them, we don't quite know how
it's going to work, and what power each like a
mayor who has got one and a half million people
under him versus what his voting right or her voting
rights are going to be over mayors who are adjacent,
who maybe don't have the same constituency. But in terms
of I mean, as a theme two things. I find
it very hard to get interested in local government politics.
(12:48):
So I sort of when I saw the headline, and
part of me nods off, and part of me thinks,
do I need to pay attention to this? But the
other part of me does think that bureaucracy is a
great way to just slow things down, and there must
be a point where we can get rid of a
bit of it and hopefully speed things up.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Joe, Oh, I just think that's a sticky part to
go down, because just because we're not interested in it
doesn't mean it's not important.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I'm not I'm not arguing anything about it. I'm just
saying I just it's I'm just being cards on the table. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Look, I don't know. I just think the reasons for
I think that, you know, most of our councils are
too small. There is an argument for some kind of
amalgamation to improve scale and capability, to reduce duplification. But
at the same time, it's about that waiting of like
what is a proportionate response for local issues. I think
this proposal there are quite a few babies in the bathwater.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I actually I heard Andrew little Maid was talking about it,
and I got the subtext from what he was saying
was that he's like, they're just going to add to
my job description, are they? And I was thinking, you know,
wait for the It seems like that some of the
mayors are liking on.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I am I have to do more work here. They
certainly are possible possible. So does it improve democracy? Does
it improve this I.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Don't see how it improves our democracy unitarily getting read
of elected represent I don't consider that to be a
democratic path.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
You'd feel a bit brassed of, wouldn't. You've just been
elected and they've just done away with you.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
They do, It's just done away with your pension.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
I don't see how these combined boards are in actual
practice that different to the unitary authorities which already exist.
I think there's a so much detail that we don't
yet know.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah, so we'll see where it goes, I guess. But
I thought we'd better mention it and see what we
had to say about it, because I've got to make
sure I don't not off while I'm talking to lots
of the government politics sometimes.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
But that I mean, that's the problem. Like Chris Biship
said that as a reason for doing it. He's like, well,
look at the turnout of the last local government election,
because none of us really do engage with it as
much as we should. But you could make that case
about our elected government. You know, that's not a problem
unique to local government, that the level of political engagement
is falling.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I think I think we do have a hell of
a lot more engagement in central government politics, even if
we have become more tribal and less what do you
reckon pall?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yeah, No, no, absolutely, And there is an issue. I
think I've said publicly that I think that the low
turnout means that something's broken. But is this the solution
to lack of engagement? You know, the sort of Tim
effect going to sleep?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
You know, I just got to be honest about it, because,
you know, I tried to tell myself that I cared
about it and have a strong opinion. I thought maybe
that's part of the problem. I don't know, but I
thought there's no point pretending. I'll just be honest.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
But is this going to solve the problem of Tim's
lack of engagement or interest?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Ummm no, probably not. Who knows famous last words. We'll
just have to wait on that one. Anyway, tell you
what we'll take quick break. We'll be back in just
a moment where with Joe mccarell, Ederative New Zealand Gardener
magazine Don't Forget you to get the year of December issue,
and Paul Spoonley, Professor of sociology, is with us. We'll
be back in just a moment. Twenty two past three. Yes,
welcome back. My guests are Paul Spoonley's professor of sociology
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and Joe Mcarell, Ederitive New Zealand Gardener magazine. Look, this
is a difficult one, I think when I read this story.
So basically, the teacher's disciplinary tribunal has censured a first
year teacher for slapping and elbowing a student. So and
I thought, oh God, this is going to be a
bit grim. And what had happened was she's a first
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year student. The boy was adhd She didn't know it,
but anyway, the kids were throwing spoons at each other
at other children. The teacher intervened asked one boy to
come with her. He refused, held a yogurt pot towards her,
preparing to throw it. She said, just you try. He
threw it. The yogat landed on the teacher. She raised
her hand. She actually didn't strike him at the stage,
but thought about it, dragged him to the principal's office.
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He swore at her. She dragged him to the office
and then anyway, when he tried to wriggle free, she
elbowed him in the side of the head. He responded
by striking her in the face, and she let go
and slapped his face. Anyway, she's keeping a job, which,
believe it or not, it might be surprised because it's
easy to get on the bandwagon. I think it also
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has come out that she had little training and support
and was under a professional and personal stress. I don't
think you're right off someone's entire career, but it is
inflammatory headline, isn't it poor? It is?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
And I just I don't think many of us realize
how much stress teachers are under at the moment. I
think post COVID and with what's happening online, behavior has changed.
You just need to look at the kids that are
wagging school at the moment. I think the behavior at
school has changed, and there are students that feel it
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is okay to conduct themselves in ways that are inappropriate.
So I have some sympathy for the teacher. I think
her behavior, her actions were inappropriate, but I don't blame her.
I think that we need to prepare teachers, and we
need to have guidelines and rules and support inside the
school which enables teachers to deal with very difficult situations
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like this. We desperately need teachers. Ching is a learning
curve I'm sure that most teachers would say that, you know,
after they left the training college, they learned heaps in
those first five to ten years, which made them better teachers.
So let's let's agree that, Okay, she's been censured, but
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let's agree that we do need to help teachers confront these.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Really, I think a first year teacher at teaching, I
mean you, I don't know. Yeah, I know that there
tends to be this thing. People see the headlines and
how outrageous. She's still got a job. But here's someone
who's studied for four years. You know, I don't think
you throw away someone interestingly. It actually could end up
with being learning a lesson like this. She's interestingly, she
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has gained more experience in the profession, and now she
is working with children with challenging behaviors. So, anyway, what
do you reckon? Joe?
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Look, I think you can say that that behavior is
grotesquely unacceptable, But I also would say with anything like this,
you know it's an employment issue. And when all you
know is the summary of facts that has been presented,
you don't know the whole story. And I think you
know it's an absolutely, to my mind, mitigating factor. If
this is a very inexperienced teacher without the professional support
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that she should have had around her as a matter
of course, without perhaps you know, the training she needs.
But yeah, I mean, I think this is something that
should stay on your record, you know, because if it's
something that.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I think, if you do it again, that it's a completely.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
My response would be completely different. But I would agree
with you. I don't think that your worst action should
decide your entire future.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
And shouldn't and shouldn't there be some onus on professional development. Yes,
this is a difficult situation. Yes, you acted inappropriately.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
How do we address it? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:57):
I completely agree. I mean, but I would say that
that is true of a lot of those workplace issues.
They're just a lot more complicated than a headline is
able to convey.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah, anyway, I just thought it would be with it.
In fact, I read the headline and I thought, and
as I read the facts, and I did actually think
to myself, God, I mean, I would have, you know,
getting a tub of yogurt thrown over? You would? And
then I thought, I bet you this teacher is inexperienced.
And that was the next paragraph, and then I thought,
I bet you she hasn't had enough training and support
around her. And when you're shoved into a classroom because
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we short to teachers, you know, it's anyway. It's not
excusing it, by the way, but I just sort of thought.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
No, not not to excuse nor condone. However, I think,
you know, there are mitigating circumstances going on in people's
lives that we often have no idea of.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Actually I feel sorry for the kid, but I actually do.
I'll be honest, I felt sorry for the teacher. I
just sort of thought, I don't know, you know, as.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Do I what a what a dark day when you've
started this career that, as you say, you've you've obviously
committed to and you've trained for, and you know what
a dark day that would be for you?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah. Actually, funny enough, she the reason that they know
what happens because she told she owned up to what
had happened, because it wasn't like something that was caught
on camera. There was stuff that was caught on camera
with her dragging him to the office, but that was
about it. But anyway, look, hopefully she can move on
and enjoy the rest of her career and do a
great job. Hey, how much do you throw much food away?
(21:22):
I was amazed at the stats about how much food
is we toss away. I think it's like two hundred here,
it is two hundred and thirty kilograms of food waste
per person. More than one point two million tons of
food is thrown away or waste and using on every year.
That so, what's that that is per person? Almost a kilo?
(21:45):
You know, about seven hundred grams a day. Do you
throw much or what? What do you do? Pardon me? Cups?
What do you do with the leftovers there? Paul?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
They I've got a confess here.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
It's like there's stuff at the back of the fridge
that you pull out and they used by a day
sort of three months ago. And my wife, who's a nutritionist,
My wife says it is perfectly okay, that's a that's
a sort of conservative estimate. And I'm just thinking, oh, dear, I'm.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Just I've failed yet again. Trigger guilt for you.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Yeah, yeah, I just I think we could do better.
I think it's having curbside composting. His I have a
compost bin. I've got to confess, and I love my
compost bin.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
It sounds a bit well now, you'd like it. You're
you're with friends here, I think with Joe, you're saying
I love compost. I mean, you know here we go.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Well, actually I don't have a compost been at home,
but it's just because of the amount of room and
space I have, and also because I really hate rodents,
which is such a problem when you've.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Got I've got rat traps already.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Yeah, but so I have a wormb FuMB And I
would say, if you're someone who's like, oh, I don't
know about having composts, a wormb fum is a phenomenal
option in an urban garden.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah. Uh, you've got rat traps all over the place.
Can you put rats in the compost?
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Actually, there is an amazing New Zealand invention that is
part rat trap, part compost. Really yeah, So it's a
turning compost system and it's got a rat trap embedded
in it, and when the rats are trapped, they are
dropped into the compost and they become blood and bone
for your garden.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
How does it kill them or is it.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Just I don't recall, possibly some sort.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Of they just suffocate in the compost.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
No, no, they immediately and humanely.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Kill Okay, yeah, but can I just share the amazement
how much we waste. I just think that we need
to do more here. And I know there are groups
out there who are doing a good job, you know,
and there are I've been doing a bit of work
for food stuff recently, and I was quite surprised at
how good they are at recycling and providing food for
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organizations that then give it to communities and families in need,
but turn them thirty seven kilograms.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Oh yeah, look, I was thinking, when did I last
throw something out? But of course I bought an avocado
and I didn't eat it straight away, and I cut
it open, and probably your wife would have said, that's
still good to eat it? Was it all brown?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, I was fine for guacamal.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Make it freecing.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I know, I cut it open. I looked and I
thought I was just looking for something for the sandwich.
And I thought, and I was too much brown there
and the band I thought, well that's probably three hundred grams. Yeah,
I don't know, So there we go. How do you
use your com so? Do you use the councils? Well?
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Actually I have never used the council cupside recycling, although
I think it's a good initiative to have, but because
we really minimize the amount of waste we produce free actively,
I think once you've tried to grow food yourself, it
does make you a lot or mindful about food waste.
The amount of energy and time and resource that goes
into producing the food that you are throwing away. Actually
(24:57):
should have some awareness of that.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
It's almost back to my one of my pet things
about I got some spring onions from the supermarket the
other day. They were wrapped in plastic, and I thought,
what's that? Why is everything wrapped in bloody plastic? It's just,
you know, we've got these rules about we at least
we're doing supermarket bags and getting one of the plastic
bags was fantastic, Right, So we've got paper bags and
we're recycling those hopefully, But it's just so much stuff there,
(25:22):
the fresh produce that is wrapped in plastic. I sort
of think, supermarkets, do you not see what people?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Do?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
You know? You've got paper bags? Why is everything spring onions?
There would have been four or five of them and
they had totally wrapped on.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Those spring onions. If you take the ends of them
and plant them, they will regrow and you can just
keep harvesting from them and you will never need to
buy spring onions again. Like the rooted end of spring
onions can be replanted. They will absolutely regret.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
How far how far in do I put it?
Speaker 5 (25:52):
An inch?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Really?
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Okay, there we go, people, I tell you what we
are getting. It's not too late to plant your your
tomatoes spring onions, even if you can cut them right
down to the nib. If you've got routes, just popman
and they'll sprout up. Yeah. Are you doing asparagus as well?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Just to oh, I don't have it because you need
a dedicated bed for asparagus and I just don't quite
have the room. I've never grown asparagus.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Okay, Oh well, hey, look we'll be back in just
a moment. The government wants to put e scooters to
go into the bike lane. There's hopefully some hot takes
on that. In fact, I've got a few hot takes
about bikes in the bike lanes. Sometimes. It is twenty
three and a half minutes to four News Talk z
B News Talk zed B with Tim Beverage. My guests
for the panel today, Paul Speronley, Professive sociology, and Joe Mcarell,
(26:38):
editor of New Zealand Gardener magazine. Now Thement government wants
e scooters to go in the bike lane, so it
wants to change road rules to move e scooters off
footpaths and into cycle lanes where possible hawks bamp so.
The data from acc shows the cost of e scooter
(26:58):
injuries has increased from just over twenty thousand dollars worth
of claims and hawks bayed to more than half a
million dollars in the past couple of years. It's one
of the I wish people would use a bit of
common sense on this stuff, guys, because it's like bikes
we've got We've got around Tammocky Drive. There are parts
of the road where the road is a bike lane
(27:18):
and that's that's fine, But there are parts when it's
on the footpath where it's wide. And I saw a
guy cycling flat out on the footpath where next to
him are people getting out of the cars and all that,
and I was thinking, come on, and even with the
et scooters, it's common sense, isn't it. If you're going
to toddle along on a footpath, then just take your time.
(27:38):
But do we need to do we need to legislate
for this. I guess we have to do well.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I think we do because the East scooters move really fast.
They're electric, so they're largely silent. There are other things
that I'm concerned about, Tom. I would really like us
to have people required to have helmets. You know, even
those green scooters which have got a helmet with them.
(28:02):
Often the people are riding along sitting there, so.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
You know when someone else's cooties, do you The last
thing I want to do is stick a helmet on
that someone else has had on their sweaty head not before.
I mean that is a problem, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Yeah, it absolutely is because people on the scooters. I
think that Actually the lawa in New Zealanders. I think
they're meant to be under three hundred whatever the measure is.
But killer watts, yeah, whatever it is for power. But
I mean people are bringing them in from overseas and
they are well and truly above that. And you see
them going along the bike lane of the footpath and
(28:40):
sometimes they're easily doing fifty k at which point I
think if you're not wearing a hat, well, there's an
element of Darwinism in there, because you know, I don't know.
I think that absolutely should be wearing a helmet. I
think that there should be an enforcement. You know, there
should be a speed enforcement on east scooters because you know,
you see them on the footpath, you see them in
(29:00):
the bike lanes. As you say, they're very silent, Paul,
you know, I just see people much dangerous behavior and
you've got no protection at all. You're just your squishy,
soft human body.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Maybe the rulers. I mean, if you're going to be
going along on a footpath which is shared with pedestrians
than ten kilometers an hour, sorry, and if you want
to go fast, get on the road. And one I would.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Also say, I've had and I'm sure you guys have
had as well. When I've been driving my car, there'll
be someone on an eestkirt or even there's a guy
on one of those electric skateboards who is on the
middle of the road, and at which point I'm like,
that doesn't seem particularly safe to me either.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
No, I was on my way here, when I was
leaving tor Bay, which is where I live, there were
two young guys, neither of whom would have been more
than about ten or twelve in the middle of the
road on et scooters and do I toot them?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Do I run over them? No? I don't run over them.
I don't really Okay, Well, I just thought they were
going to put that up the list.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
They shouldn't be there, They should not be there competing
with me on the road.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
What I would like to see is some kind of enforcement,
you know, like I think that definitely. I don't think
if you're on the foot parthy, don't you should be
going more than ten kilometers Now that Tamaki drive that
you're talking about. I had a friend who was knocked
over by a cyclist going full pelt there, broke several bones,
really serious.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
On the footpath.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yeah, on the footpath.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Well, it's like this guy who was cycling in front.
He was going hell for leather, and all it would
have taken was a child or something who's getting out
of a car chass. You have to cross the bike
lane to get to the walking bit, and we're talking
about footpaths. It's like two and a half three meters
maybe three and a bit meters wide, and he's going health.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Leather laws against being that stupid.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I wish it's actually called out to him and just said, hey, mate,
if you're going to get on the bloody road, you're
going to kill someone. Yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Do think there's another broader issue here, which is do
we build our cities in ways that accommodate all the
forms of transport.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Which I'm completely pro, you know. But at the same time,
like we were talking about electric bikes in the break,
my partner used to take one when he was working
at universities to take the electric bike in and people
would be on the bike paths. But they're going at
fifty or sixty kilometers an hour. It's too fast. There
should be some enforcement around speed.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Because there are different types of bike lanes. They are
the bikelanes which are on the road and they're painted
green and signaled and you are with the cars, and
then there are the bike lanes which are with pedestrians
and on those Yeah, I mean, the problem is the
technology is so variable. You can get the old scooter
where you're toddling along at a few kilometers now because
it's a lovely day, I always think just get off
and walk. But anyway, but you know, you're enjoying your
(31:43):
little outing and you're not causing anyone any harm and
they are the ones which have been brought in which
are you know, as you say, they can go up
to sixty kilometers an hour or something, and that's just barking.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Last year we were in Sweden for two and a
half months and they just do the biking e scooter
things so much better than we do. And I'm just thinking, well,
why can't we learn from these and how a city
which allows for all of these forms of transport safely?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah well yeah, no, I mean no, I'm not really
going to disagree with you, but I think it's an
idealism that's hard to implement because you know, we are
geographically a massive city, so we're never going to really
cater for people to for all those modes of transport
when because we are going to be heavily dependent on
cars forever. I guess private motor vehicles because you know,
(32:32):
if you've got kids and things you want to get
them around, You're not going to do it by taking
them to your sports practice on the bus and then
back and forth. You know, we are. I think we've
still got to try and make sure that people can
get around in their vehicles. But hypocrite beverage here because
I've started biking. There are some bike lanes that I'm loving.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
There are some great bike lanes, but like I've just
we've spent some time in Holland earlier this year, and
you know that's.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
You know, a country.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
There's a wonderful integrated transport system. But what you don't
see is people using electric bikes at a high speed
or electrics good is at a high speed. Absolutely so
people are used electric bikes, electric scooters, but they're using
it at a safe speed.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Is flat? I mean you don't need e bike flat,
do you? I mean E bike is for either honking
along to work and you know as if you're in
a car, or it's to save your save your thighs
and your butt when you're going uphill.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Where do you get flat riding around Aucklinton.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
No, in Amsterdam it's flat. No, yes, but that's fantastic anyway. Right.
But by the way, on the animals thing, I'm not
surprised at this ken we spend one point eight billion dollars.
We spend one point eight billion dollars on our dogs. Now,
(33:45):
I don't want to get messed up with carrying the
zero and how much that is per person, but I'm
actually not surprised. I mean, dogs bring families a huge
amount of pleasure. They're part of the family one point
eight billion. I'm not surprised, you reckon.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
I'm not surprised at all. I mean, like I say,
we've got two cats. We love them. They bring a
huge amount of join and enjoyment to our lives, and
I want them to have happy lives. I think it's
important that they have everything they need, and we love
buying toys that they'll play with them things. But at
the same time, I do think there's a point where
you see it sometimes when people love their dogs or
(34:24):
their cats so much and they sort of spoil them
or dress them up or something, and I think that
maybe does no favors to the animal. So part of
the responsibility of looking after it is looking after it
in the way that it needs to be to not
have behavioral issues.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Or I'm not surprised at all, particularly when you go
anywhere near a vet. I don't want to pick on vet,
but boy, you can rack up some serious money.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Or the cats. The cats do drink that the cat
wine what Mutley's the state it's got cat nip in
It's just like I'm the murderer. You have a very
very small glass each they're not.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
What how do they drink it? The purchase. They have
it in a glass between their two paws. Drink it
like communion wine, just on a Friday. I don't know
what what is catnip?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Catnip is a herb okay, which.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Is very attractive to cats, not all cats.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Not all cats like it.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Okay catnip okay or cat grass I like that, And
actually I reckon there's there would be one reason it
would also go up the spending is that it's becoming
more of a thing that if you're going to have
a dog or a cat and you want and you
love it, and you don't want to have to have
it put down because you can't afford to treat its
broken leg. I would say the pet insurance thing must
(35:50):
be a significant part of that as well, wouldn't it.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
One hundred and I think that can be a really
responsible choice to make.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
And there's some depending upon I mean, Joe's obviously part
of this part of the world, but depending on how
you feed and water your animals. I mean some of
those I've looked at them recently at the supermarket you
can pay some serious money for specialist dog food.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
I wonder how many people actually still fork out and
give it their dog a treat of like Scotch philet
or something for their dog.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
I guess if you do that seems quite a victimless
crime afford.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
It asked the cow, you don't also have a pig?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Cow?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Then?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
No, oh, no, oh god, I made the missa. I
saw something on YouTube with a cow lover and they
had a cow that loved playing, chasing the beach ball
and everything, and I thought, oh god, that does make
it hard. It'll make it mildly harder. Night won't. But
it did make me for a moment just sort of
thinking about eating beef and like, because it was really
behaved like a dog, this cow, and I was very cute.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
I had a friend who had beef cattle as a farmer,
and she said, the cow's got taught to hug, and
I've never read it's really put me off beef for
the intervening time they'd run up and have a hug
because they're ver affectionate.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Friend of ours, family friend of ours. He grew up
as a farmer and he and his wife had a
couple of hundred cattle. I think they had a sort
of not bigger than a small farm, and he used
to be able to call to the cows and they'd
come over and say hello, sort of thing. And he
said that when because they were beef farmers, and when
they were sent off to the meat works, he said
(37:24):
he and his wife sat in the living room and
cried their eyes out. I think they kept a couple
for the freezer though. Strange confliction of emotions there. Anyway,
We'll be back in just a moment. It's nine and
a half minutes to four. This is Newstalk zaid B. Yes,
news Talk, said be Tim Beveridge with Paul Spoonley and
Joe McCarroll. Now, Lucky last I saw this on the
way to them all today, that about the opening of
(37:46):
Ikea and motorists their warnings all over the place saying
which I'm not sure if I think I'm going to
keep people away? Are they? But it says expect huge cues.
Basically when Ikea opens its New Zealand store in Auckland,
with potential hour long waits for car parks. This will
be based on what they've seen overseas. When everyone goes
potty for it. Ike anyway it is. I bought IQ
(38:08):
when I was in Australia. I think, yeah, I mean
it's we'll probably go and look along and look at something.
But anyway, I think everyone's going to go partty for it,
aren't they, Paul. I know our family's divided.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
There's the pro IQ and the Ika and I must
say that the meatballs and the Turmas, who are fantastic.
Just no, just saying, just saying. But the thing that
always gets me is that when you start, you are
forced to go through a route you cannot take any shortcuts.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
It's like sort of you're stuck it there for an
hour in ike world. Yeah, I world, Joe, are you
excited about IKEA coming?
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Look, I've got to say I am quite excited. I
brought a lot of IQ when I was living in London.
I've bought it in Australia and I feel like it's
taken ages to open it. But I suspect that that's
because it arrived in lots of pieces and they've had
to put it all together.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
It is huge.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
I don't know whether you guys have looked at it
out there, but it is huge and they will see there.
They're planning for it to be a shopping destination for
all of New Zealand. So they're going to build a
hotel nearby.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
I mean, it's, oh my goodness, serious stuff. Really, Actually,
I reckon there'll be a few enterprising young people out
there who will already have their marketing campaign to help
you assemble your furniture when you you know, if you
haven't struggle with it, we'll charge you fifty bucks an
our come around and do it.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
May go to the website Save your Marriage dot co
dot in z and.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Oh have they actually we did play this in the
break But if when you're listening after the weekend collective's over,
do just google. Have I got news for you? Things
you can say? Might hear an I care or the bedroom.
It's a very funny BBC radio show where they come
up with different expressions you might hear in two places
(39:53):
and I can't rarely repeat. Well, they're all quite clean,
but they're also very suggestively rude. But my one of
my favorites is well that was a complete waste of
a Saturday. So anyway, it's worth checking out. Anyway, Hey, lovely,
to see you, Lovely, C Joe and don't forget go
and get your copied of New Zealand Gardener magazine and
also the Gardening for Health and Wellbeing special edition is
(40:15):
out and we'll be back with Martin Cooper from Hardcourts
talking about what's the best way to sell your property
in terms of you know, price, auction, private, treaty, tender,
what have you. So we'll be talking that next on
the One roof Radio show, which is next News Talk SeeDB.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
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a managing director at Harcourts, and we're going to talk
about you know, few people starting to more people's putting
(01:28):
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spring's spring summer sort of season. But how do you
sell it? What are you what's the method of selling
auction private treaty tender by negotiation. So we're going to
have a chat with Martin about that as well as what
is happening with the market. And at five o'clock for
their parents squad, Catherine Burkett's with us and they're going
to start off with talking about school prize givings. Are
(01:51):
they inspiring or demoralizing depending on whether you're whether you've
won the prize or not, and are there too many
prizes anyway? Do and also well, if we've got time,
we'll get onto helping your kids with career choices and yeah,
that's coming up all on the Weekend Collective right now.
It is eight and a bit past three.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Tim Beveridge on the Weekend Collective called Night News Dogs.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
That'd be yeah, So time to introduce our panelists and
he is summerly a tired today as a professor of
professor of sociology. You know, do you wear that to university?
Paul Spoonley?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I do?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I do, very summary and thank you.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Yeah, I try to lift the mood of it.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, Actually, what's the dress standard at university when you're electuring?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
There is no dress used to be that you'd wear it?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Would you wear a tie. In the old days, maybe.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I never wore a tie, but certainly, certainly a suit,
a certainly a jacket.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Depends what you're teaching. I guess with sociology, you'd probably
wear shorts romans.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
And you want to, yeah, find with students, don't you.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Anyway, Hey, nice to have you here, Paul. And she
is editor of New Zealand Garden Magazine, and she's brought me,
as ever a couple of gorgeous editions, the decease Aradition,
as well as a special on gardening for health and
well Being, which in that sentence I would have thought
it was self explanatory that it's great for health and
well being. But anyway, Joe McCarroll, Hello.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Good morning, afternoon.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Good night, cover your basis. Hey, I just wanted to
pick your brains on something quickly. I've I quite like
a sandwich. I baked my own bread, and I was
looking forward to having cheese, tomato, lettuce or something bacon
and every tomato I brought recently tomatoes from the supermarket,
I'm gonna have to start growing them because they just
(03:39):
are watery, slightly acidic, barely sweet. God, they're ordinary. What's
going on?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
I can tell you the one thing that makes a
difference to the flavor of tomatoes you buy from the
soupermarket is they have been cool stored. Yeah, and if
a tomato is everyone thinks it's about the sugar. And
there are tricks you can do with tomatoes, like right
before you harvest them. If you put them under a
little bit of drought stress just prior to harvesting, you
will raise the bricks level. The sugar levels will be
(04:07):
higher our fruit. But it's not the sugar that makes
difference to the flavor. It's the volatile oils and the
volatile compounds, and they are lost in cool store. So
if you buy tomatoes from the supermarket that have been
cool stored, or you keep your tomatoes in your fridge,
you will never get the same flavor. But yeah, grow
your own.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So I've for got no hope of buying a decent
tomato at the supermarket.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
You absolutely can, but I would say you want to
buy tomatoes that haven't been cool stored as close as
possible to the grower as you can. You can join
Great Tomatoes.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Jo, how do you know? How would you know that
you're getting a tomato which is a bit of flavor
that hasn't been cool stored.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
I'd ask, oh, would you okay, to be honest, But
also i'd say, if you're getting tomatoes from the supermarket,
they're very likely to have been cool stored. They are
transported chilled, and that means you will never get a
good flavor. If you are growing them yourself and you
want them to have more flavor, try and leave them
on the plant as long as you can. This is
a gardening hour, isn't it, Like.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Ah, well no, I just look, look, the sun is shining,
it's a beautiful day, and we're eating summary foods and salads.
It's topical.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
It's always topical. But yeah, I agree, So yeah, leave
them on the plant a little bit longer. You'll always
get a better flavor profile. But don't keep them in
the French.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
When do I need to plant them? Thinking ahead to
next year, when do I need a plant?
Speaker 5 (05:21):
You can still plant tomatoes. Definitely, not too late, Absolutely
no problem. Put a ceiling in this weekend, you can
plant them. And you're in Auckland as I am, you
can plant them right through. You could be planting cherry
tomatoes in January. Be fine. You'd still get a harvest.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Thank you for sharing that, because I thought it was
just I thought I was just having bad luck. So
I kept on buying them, and I was just like anyway.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
I'd say, if you want to buy great tomatoes, try
the markets. You're likely to be buying them closer from
someone who grows them.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Right, let's get into it, shall we. Well we did
get into it, we just started with tomatoes. Now. The
WYPA District Council there's welcome the addition of feral cats
to New Zealand's predator Free twenty fifty strategy, calling it
a major boost for native wildlife of courseeople on both
sides of this, So why cattow Animals shelters raised animal
(06:08):
welfare concerns. But anyway, we're going to try and get
rid of all our feral cats. There's million, there's I
mean there's I think there's at least a couple of
million of them, two and a half million, two and
a half million feral cats. Yes, I mean obviously the
toll and pressure on native birds, bats, lizards and and sets.
Do you support getting rid of the old feral cats
(06:30):
and how should we do it?
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I absolutely support feral cats being added to being considered
to be introduced predators as they are, and I think
we need to get rid of them, as we need
to get rid of any introduced predators that are putting
an unbearable strain on our noted biodiversity in a way
that is as instant as possible and as humane as possible.
They are a human caused problem. They are not themselves
to blame, but they are the wrong animal in the
(06:54):
wrong place.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Method of the method of killing them. I mean this
is where people say, well, poisons know good. There are
some groups you think we should capture them they're new
to them and then put them back into the wild.
And I'm like, which to me is kind of one and
ridiculously expensive, impractical, and and basically it's like, although the
cat's going to eventually wear out, it's still going.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
To eat killing killing machine time my understanding, we were
at Arthur's Pass in the South Island and they've got
a they've got a feral cat that's been killed and
mounted there. The biggest cat as well, you know, as
in texadomy, But the biggest cat they had was an
(07:39):
eight kilogram cat and they had tracked it, and they
tracked it across the Southern Alps, so it'd gone right
across the Great Divide and they're just they're everywhere for
a start. But my understanding is that they need to
capture them because many of the traps also attract birds
like here, so they've got to give them in the
trap and then kill them.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Rather look, I think just killed. You need to send
send a bunch out of people and pay them, pay
them five dollars a dead cat. Hunters shoot them, But
I mean, I know that sounds terrible what we do.
I mean, hunting is a thing in New Zealand. We
hunt all you know, hunters hunt deer and goats and
things like that. I just think shoot them.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
But I also think we need to set a lot
more expectations on people who own cats. And I own cats,
you know what I mean, Like we have two riscue
kittens that bring great joy to our lives. You know,
I've been a cat owner my whole life. But I
think cat should be registered. I think the expectations should
be your cats are inside at night or inside the
old time. They all should be micro chipped. You know
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I think this, you know you just you see it
online right now in kitten season, you'll see, you know,
free kittens to a good home. I'm like, imagine if
people were doing that with you know, dogs or horses.
You know, it's just crazy that there are so few registrations.
There's so few restrictions on the owning of cats. And
until we have those restrictions, the predator control won't solve
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the problem because we'll continue to create the problem.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
By the way, on the weird animal stories, just to
touch on this, did you see I almost thought this
was at April folls. You know how when April falls
comes around, the news will put out silly stories that
you know aren't really to be believed. But the story
about putin Russia is Pineing pioneering remote controlled spied pigeons,
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spy pigeons with brain implants that can fly at well,
not their own will, but the person who's controlling them.
So they've had some sort of neural chip implanted. It
allows technicians to direct their flight routes. They can be
stirred remotely in real time. And the pigeon, apparently, when
it gets a stimulus, believes it wants to fly. And
I don't know what you would use a spy pigeon.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
For none of us. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Haven't they heard of drones? I mean, why would you?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Well, a drone is something you might pack up on
a radar, whereas a pigeon flying is just it's just
a bird. But I don't know what you're going to do.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
During the Second World War, they did train dogs to
run under tanks and they loaded up the dog with explosives. Yeah,
well that's where it goes.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Desperate needs call for desperate deeds. I guess really did
that they did.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
I believe there's an underwater mission silo, and part of
which exists now in the real world, and part of
the protection around it is trained dolphins.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Wow, I mean Americans have spent a bomb on I think.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I think that.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
ESA has always pushed the limit of what seems believable,
and I'm not at all surprised about the pigeons. I'd say, well,
they can cover apparently they reckon.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
They can cover about three hundred miles a day, more
than eighteen hundred and fifty miles a week. And it's
actually the technology apparently could be put out to any sort.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Of be used to combat feral cats.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Well, that's why I reckon the cat's.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Catch them the pigeons turn.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yes, interesting thought, it's nice, nice that you're working on
this problem job anyway. On the other look, on the
bigger side of the political ledger, the scrapping of the
regional councils, so that you know, it's built as the
biggest counts to shake up in councils in thirty years.
But basically the government's going to downsize everything and get
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rid of a bunch of regional councils. The mayors are
going to be sitting on different boards to govern this.
We've got sixteen hundred elected the local government officials in
New Zealand, which does seem a lot for five million people,
although I've googled a few things in scanning. Over in
Iceland they've got a ridiculous number as well, and so
we're not the only ones. But Paul, what do you
make of do you support this?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I'm still a bit puzzled about this in terms of
what the problem is. What are they trying to solve
And part of my puzzlement is they're not doing away
with the bureaucracies that sit under regional councils. They stay
there and then they're saying to the the mayors locally,
you guys are going to come and make the decisions
around this, and I just don't see that working particularly well.
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I have a property at Hawk's Bay I've got there
are four councils. Some of those councils control areas which
are very large, So do the mayor from that area
get additional votes? I just I'm a bit puzzled by
all of.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
The Well, that's right, I mean that the plan is
to get rid of them, we don't quite know how
it's going to work, and what power each like a
mayor who has got one and a half million people
under him versus what his voting right or her voting
rights are going to be over mayors who are adjacent,
who maybe don't have the same constituency. But in terms
of I mean, as a theme two things. I find
it very hard to get interested in local government politics.
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So I sort of when I saw the headline, and
part of me nods off, and part of me thinks,
do I need to pay attention to this? But the
other part of me does think that bureaucracy is a
great way to just slow things down, and there must
be a point where we can get rid of a
bit of it and hopefully speed things up.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Joe, Oh, I just think that's a sticky part to
go down, because just because we're not interested in it
doesn't mean it's not important.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I'm not I'm not arguing anything about it. I'm just
saying I just it's I'm just being cards on the table. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Look, I don't know. I just think the reasons for
I think that, you know, most of our councils are
too small. There is an argument for some kind of
amalgamation to improve scale and capability, to reduce duplification. But
at the same time, it's about that waiting of like
what is a proportionate response for local issues. I think
this proposal there are quite a few babies in the bathwater.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I actually I heard Andrew little Maid was talking about it,
and I got the subtext from what he was saying
was that he's like, they're just going to add to
my job description, are they? And I was thinking, you know,
wait for the It seems like that some of the
mayors are liking on.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I am I have to do more work here. They
certainly are possible possible. So does it improve democracy? Does
it improve this I.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Don't see how it improves our democracy unitarily getting read
of elected represent I don't consider that to be a
democratic path.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
You'd feel a bit brassed of, wouldn't. You've just been
elected and they've just done away with you.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
They do, It's just done away with your pension.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
I don't see how these combined boards are in actual
practice that different to the unitary authorities which already exist.
I think there's a so much detail that we don't
yet know.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah, so we'll see where it goes, I guess. But
I thought we'd better mention it and see what we
had to say about it, because I've got to make
sure I don't not off while I'm talking to lots
of the government politics sometimes.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
But that I mean, that's the problem. Like Chris Biship
said that as a reason for doing it. He's like, well,
look at the turnout of the last local government election,
because none of us really do engage with it as
much as we should. But you could make that case
about our elected government. You know, that's not a problem
unique to local government, that the level of political engagement
is falling.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I think I think we do have a hell of
a lot more engagement in central government politics, even if
we have become more tribal and less what do you
reckon pall?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Yeah, No, no, absolutely, And there is an issue. I
think I've said publicly that I think that the low
turnout means that something's broken. But is this the solution
to lack of engagement? You know, the sort of Tim
effect going to sleep?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
You know, I just got to be honest about it, because,
you know, I tried to tell myself that I cared
about it and have a strong opinion. I thought maybe
that's part of the problem. I don't know, but I
thought there's no point pretending. I'll just be honest.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
But is this going to solve the problem of Tim's
lack of engagement or interest?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Ummm no, probably not. Who knows famous last words. We'll
just have to wait on that one. Anyway, tell you
what we'll take quick break. We'll be back in just
a moment where with Joe mccarell, Ederative New Zealand Gardener
magazine Don't Forget you to get the year of December issue,
and Paul Spoonley, Professor of sociology, is with us. We'll
be back in just a moment. Twenty two past three. Yes,
welcome back. My guests are Paul Spoonley's professor of sociology
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and Joe Mcarell, Ederitive New Zealand Gardener magazine. Look, this
is a difficult one, I think when I read this story.
So basically, the teacher's disciplinary tribunal has censured a first
year teacher for slapping and elbowing a student. So and
I thought, oh God, this is going to be a
bit grim. And what had happened was she's a first
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year student. The boy was adhd She didn't know it,
but anyway, the kids were throwing spoons at each other
at other children. The teacher intervened asked one boy to
come with her. He refused, held a yogurt pot towards her,
preparing to throw it. She said, just you try. He
threw it. The yogat landed on the teacher. She raised
her hand. She actually didn't strike him at the stage,
but thought about it, dragged him to the principal's office.
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He swore at her. She dragged him to the office
and then anyway, when he tried to wriggle free, she
elbowed him in the side of the head. He responded
by striking her in the face, and she let go
and slapped his face. Anyway, she's keeping a job, which,
believe it or not, it might be surprised because it's
easy to get on the bandwagon. I think it also
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has come out that she had little training and support
and was under a professional and personal stress. I don't
think you're right off someone's entire career, but it is
inflammatory headline, isn't it poor? It is?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
And I just I don't think many of us realize
how much stress teachers are under at the moment. I
think post COVID and with what's happening online, behavior has changed.
You just need to look at the kids that are
wagging school at the moment. I think the behavior at
school has changed, and there are students that feel it
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is okay to conduct themselves in ways that are inappropriate.
So I have some sympathy for the teacher. I think
her behavior, her actions were inappropriate, but I don't blame her.
I think that we need to prepare teachers, and we
need to have guidelines and rules and support inside the
school which enables teachers to deal with very difficult situations
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like this. We desperately need teachers. Ching is a learning
curve I'm sure that most teachers would say that, you know,
after they left the training college, they learned heaps in
those first five to ten years, which made them better teachers.
So let's let's agree that, Okay, she's been censured, but
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let's agree that we do need to help teachers confront these.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Really, I think a first year teacher at teaching, I
mean you, I don't know. Yeah, I know that there
tends to be this thing. People see the headlines and
how outrageous. She's still got a job. But here's someone
who's studied for four years. You know, I don't think
you throw away someone interestingly. It actually could end up
with being learning a lesson like this. She's interestingly, she
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has gained more experience in the profession, and now she
is working with children with challenging behaviors. So, anyway, what
do you reckon? Joe?
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Look, I think you can say that that behavior is
grotesquely unacceptable, But I also would say with anything like this,
you know it's an employment issue. And when all you
know is the summary of facts that has been presented,
you don't know the whole story. And I think you
know it's an absolutely, to my mind, mitigating factor. If
this is a very inexperienced teacher without the professional support
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that she should have had around her as a matter
of course, without perhaps you know, the training she needs.
But yeah, I mean, I think this is something that
should stay on your record, you know, because if it's
something that.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I think, if you do it again, that it's a completely.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
My response would be completely different. But I would agree
with you. I don't think that your worst action should
decide your entire future.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
And shouldn't and shouldn't there be some onus on professional development. Yes,
this is a difficult situation. Yes, you acted inappropriately.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
How do we address it? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:57):
I completely agree. I mean, but I would say that
that is true of a lot of those workplace issues.
They're just a lot more complicated than a headline is
able to convey.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah, anyway, I just thought it would be with it.
In fact, I read the headline and I thought, and
as I read the facts, and I did actually think
to myself, God, I mean, I would have, you know,
getting a tub of yogurt thrown over? You would? And
then I thought, I bet you this teacher is inexperienced.
And that was the next paragraph, and then I thought,
I bet you she hasn't had enough training and support
around her. And when you're shoved into a classroom because
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we short to teachers, you know, it's anyway. It's not
excusing it, by the way, but I just sort of thought.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
No, not not to excuse nor condone. However, I think,
you know, there are mitigating circumstances going on in people's
lives that we often have no idea of.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Actually I feel sorry for the kid, but I actually do.
I'll be honest, I felt sorry for the teacher. I
just sort of thought, I don't know, you know, as.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Do I what a what a dark day when you've
started this career that, as you say, you've you've obviously
committed to and you've trained for, and you know what
a dark day that would be for you?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah. Actually, funny enough, she the reason that they know
what happens because she told she owned up to what
had happened, because it wasn't like something that was caught
on camera. There was stuff that was caught on camera
with her dragging him to the office, but that was
about it. But anyway, look, hopefully she can move on
and enjoy the rest of her career and do a
great job. Hey, how much do you throw much food away?
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I was amazed at the stats about how much food
is we toss away. I think it's like two hundred here,
it is two hundred and thirty kilograms of food waste
per person. More than one point two million tons of
food is thrown away or waste and using on every year.
That so, what's that that is per person? Almost a kilo?
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You know, about seven hundred grams a day. Do you
throw much or what? What do you do? Pardon me? Cups?
What do you do with the leftovers there? Paul?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
They I've got a confess here.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
You know.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
It's like there's stuff at the back of the fridge
that you pull out and they used by a day
sort of three months ago. And my wife, who's a nutritionist,
My wife says it is perfectly okay, that's a that's
a sort of conservative estimate. And I'm just thinking, oh, dear, I'm.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Just I've failed yet again. Trigger guilt for you.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Yeah, yeah, I just I think we could do better.
I think it's having curbside composting. His I have a
compost bin. I've got to confess, and I love my
compost bin.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
It sounds a bit well now, you'd like it. You're
you're with friends here, I think with Joe, you're saying
I love compost. I mean, you know here we go.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Well, actually I don't have a compost been at home,
but it's just because of the amount of room and
space I have, and also because I really hate rodents,
which is such a problem when you've.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Got I've got rat traps already.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Yeah, but so I have a wormb FuMB And I
would say, if you're someone who's like, oh, I don't
know about having composts, a wormb fum is a phenomenal
option in an urban garden.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah. Uh, you've got rat traps all over the place.
Can you put rats in the compost?
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Actually, there is an amazing New Zealand invention that is
part rat trap, part compost. Really yeah, So it's a
turning compost system and it's got a rat trap embedded
in it, and when the rats are trapped, they are
dropped into the compost and they become blood and bone
for your garden.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
How does it kill them or is it.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Just I don't recall, possibly some sort.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Of they just suffocate in the compost.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
No, no, they immediately and humanely.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Kill Okay, yeah, but can I just share the amazement
how much we waste. I just think that we need
to do more here. And I know there are groups
out there who are doing a good job, you know,
and there are I've been doing a bit of work
for food stuff recently, and I was quite surprised at
how good they are at recycling and providing food for
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organizations that then give it to communities and families in need,
but turn them thirty seven kilograms.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Oh yeah, look, I was thinking, when did I last
throw something out? But of course I bought an avocado
and I didn't eat it straight away, and I cut
it open, and probably your wife would have said, that's
still good to eat it? Was it all brown?
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, I was fine for guacamal.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Make it freecing.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I know, I cut it open. I looked and I
thought I was just looking for something for the sandwich.
And I thought, and I was too much brown there
and the band I thought, well that's probably three hundred grams. Yeah,
I don't know, So there we go. How do you
use your com so? Do you use the councils? Well?
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Actually I have never used the council cupside recycling, although
I think it's a good initiative to have, but because
we really minimize the amount of waste we produce free actively,
I think once you've tried to grow food yourself, it
does make you a lot or mindful about food waste.
The amount of energy and time and resource that goes
into producing the food that you are throwing away. Actually
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should have some awareness of that.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
It's almost back to my one of my pet things
about I got some spring onions from the supermarket the
other day. They were wrapped in plastic, and I thought,
what's that? Why is everything wrapped in bloody plastic? It's just,
you know, we've got these rules about we at least
we're doing supermarket bags and getting one of the plastic
bags was fantastic, Right, So we've got paper bags and
we're recycling those hopefully, But it's just so much stuff there,
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the fresh produce that is wrapped in plastic. I sort
of think, supermarkets, do you not see what people?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Do?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
You know? You've got paper bags? Why is everything spring onions?
There would have been four or five of them and
they had totally wrapped on.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Those spring onions. If you take the ends of them
and plant them, they will regrow and you can just
keep harvesting from them and you will never need to
buy spring onions again. Like the rooted end of spring
onions can be replanted. They will absolutely regret.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
How far how far in do I put it?
Speaker 5 (25:52):
An inch?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Really?
Speaker 5 (25:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Okay, there we go, people, I tell you what we
are getting. It's not too late to plant your your
tomatoes spring onions, even if you can cut them right
down to the nib. If you've got routes, just popman
and they'll sprout up. Yeah. Are you doing asparagus as well?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Just to oh, I don't have it because you need
a dedicated bed for asparagus and I just don't quite
have the room. I've never grown asparagus.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Okay, Oh well, hey, look we'll be back in just
a moment. The government wants to put e scooters to
go into the bike lane. There's hopefully some hot takes
on that. In fact, I've got a few hot takes
about bikes in the bike lanes. Sometimes. It is twenty
three and a half minutes to four News Talk z
B News Talk zed B with Tim Beverage. My guests
for the panel today, Paul Speronley, Professive sociology, and Joe Mcarell,
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editor of New Zealand Gardener magazine. Now Thement government wants
e scooters to go in the bike lane, so it
wants to change road rules to move e scooters off
footpaths and into cycle lanes where possible hawks bamp so.
The data from acc shows the cost of e scooter
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injuries has increased from just over twenty thousand dollars worth
of claims and hawks bayed to more than half a
million dollars in the past couple of years. It's one
of the I wish people would use a bit of
common sense on this stuff, guys, because it's like bikes
we've got We've got around Tammocky Drive. There are parts
of the road where the road is a bike lane
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and that's that's fine, But there are parts when it's
on the footpath where it's wide. And I saw a
guy cycling flat out on the footpath where next to
him are people getting out of the cars and all that,
and I was thinking, come on, and even with the
et scooters, it's common sense, isn't it. If you're going
to toddle along on a footpath, then just take your time.
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But do we need to do we need to legislate
for this. I guess we have to do well.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I think we do because the East scooters move really fast.
They're electric, so they're largely silent. There are other things
that I'm concerned about, Tom. I would really like us
to have people required to have helmets. You know, even
those green scooters which have got a helmet with them.
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Often the people are riding along sitting there, so.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
You know when someone else's cooties, do you The last
thing I want to do is stick a helmet on
that someone else has had on their sweaty head not before.
I mean that is a problem, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Yeah, it absolutely is because people on the scooters. I
think that Actually the lawa in New Zealanders. I think
they're meant to be under three hundred whatever the measure is.
But killer watts, yeah, whatever it is for power. But
I mean people are bringing them in from overseas and
they are well and truly above that. And you see
them going along the bike lane of the footpath and
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sometimes they're easily doing fifty k at which point I
think if you're not wearing a hat, well, there's an
element of Darwinism in there, because you know, I don't know.
I think that absolutely should be wearing a helmet. I
think that there should be an enforcement. You know, there
should be a speed enforcement on east scooters because you know,
you see them on the footpath, you see them in
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the bike lanes. As you say, they're very silent, Paul,
you know, I just see people much dangerous behavior and
you've got no protection at all. You're just your squishy,
soft human body.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Maybe the rulers. I mean, if you're going to be
going along on a footpath which is shared with pedestrians
than ten kilometers an hour, sorry, and if you want
to go fast, get on the road. And one I would.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Also say, I've had and I'm sure you guys have
had as well. When I've been driving my car, there'll
be someone on an eestkirt or even there's a guy
on one of those electric skateboards who is on the
middle of the road, and at which point I'm like,
that doesn't seem particularly safe to me either.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
No, I was on my way here, when I was
leaving tor Bay, which is where I live, there were
two young guys, neither of whom would have been more
than about ten or twelve in the middle of the
road on et scooters and do I toot them?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Do I run over them? No? I don't run over them.
I don't really Okay, Well, I just thought they were
going to put that up the list.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
They shouldn't be there, They should not be there competing
with me on the road.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
What I would like to see is some kind of enforcement,
you know, like I think that definitely. I don't think
if you're on the foot parthy, don't you should be
going more than ten kilometers Now that Tamaki drive that
you're talking about. I had a friend who was knocked
over by a cyclist going full pelt there, broke several bones,
really serious.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
On the footpath.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Yeah, on the footpath.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Well, it's like this guy who was cycling in front.
He was going hell for leather, and all it would
have taken was a child or something who's getting out
of a car chass. You have to cross the bike
lane to get to the walking bit, and we're talking
about footpaths. It's like two and a half three meters
maybe three and a bit meters wide, and he's going health.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Leather laws against being that stupid.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I wish it's actually called out to him and just said, hey, mate,
if you're going to get on the bloody road, you're
going to kill someone. Yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Do think there's another broader issue here, which is do
we build our cities in ways that accommodate all the
forms of transport.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Which I'm completely pro, you know. But at the same time,
like we were talking about electric bikes in the break,
my partner used to take one when he was working
at universities to take the electric bike in and people
would be on the bike paths. But they're going at
fifty or sixty kilometers an hour. It's too fast. There
should be some enforcement around speed.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Because there are different types of bike lanes. They are
the bikelanes which are on the road and they're painted
green and signaled and you are with the cars, and
then there are the bike lanes which are with pedestrians
and on those Yeah, I mean, the problem is the
technology is so variable. You can get the old scooter
where you're toddling along at a few kilometers now because
it's a lovely day, I always think just get off
and walk. But anyway, but you know, you're enjoying your
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little outing and you're not causing anyone any harm and
they are the ones which have been brought in which
are you know, as you say, they can go up
to sixty kilometers an hour or something, and that's just barking.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Last year we were in Sweden for two and a
half months and they just do the biking e scooter
things so much better than we do. And I'm just thinking, well,
why can't we learn from these and how a city
which allows for all of these forms of transport safely?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah well yeah, no, I mean no, I'm not really
going to disagree with you, but I think it's an
idealism that's hard to implement because you know, we are
geographically a massive city, so we're never going to really
cater for people to for all those modes of transport
when because we are going to be heavily dependent on
cars forever. I guess private motor vehicles because you know,
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if you've got kids and things you want to get
them around, You're not going to do it by taking
them to your sports practice on the bus and then
back and forth. You know, we are. I think we've
still got to try and make sure that people can
get around in their vehicles. But hypocrite beverage here because
I've started biking. There are some bike lanes that I'm loving.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
There are some great bike lanes, but like I've just
we've spent some time in Holland earlier this year, and
you know that's.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
You know, a country.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
There's a wonderful integrated transport system. But what you don't
see is people using electric bikes at a high speed
or electrics good is at a high speed. Absolutely so
people are used electric bikes, electric scooters, but they're using
it at a safe speed.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Is flat? I mean you don't need e bike flat,
do you? I mean E bike is for either honking
along to work and you know as if you're in
a car, or it's to save your save your thighs
and your butt when you're going uphill.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Where do you get flat riding around Aucklinton.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
No, in Amsterdam it's flat. No, yes, but that's fantastic anyway. Right.
But by the way, on the animals thing, I'm not
surprised at this ken we spend one point eight billion dollars.
We spend one point eight billion dollars on our dogs. Now,
(33:45):
I don't want to get messed up with carrying the
zero and how much that is per person, but I'm
actually not surprised. I mean, dogs bring families a huge
amount of pleasure. They're part of the family one point
eight billion. I'm not surprised, you reckon.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
I'm not surprised at all. I mean, like I say,
we've got two cats. We love them. They bring a
huge amount of join and enjoyment to our lives, and
I want them to have happy lives. I think it's
important that they have everything they need, and we love
buying toys that they'll play with them things. But at
the same time, I do think there's a point where
you see it sometimes when people love their dogs or
(34:24):
their cats so much and they sort of spoil them
or dress them up or something, and I think that
maybe does no favors to the animal. So part of
the responsibility of looking after it is looking after it
in the way that it needs to be to not
have behavioral issues.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Or I'm not surprised at all, particularly when you go
anywhere near a vet. I don't want to pick on vet,
but boy, you can rack up some serious money.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Or the cats. The cats do drink that the cat
wine what Mutley's the state it's got cat nip in
It's just like I'm the murderer. You have a very
very small glass each they're not.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
What how do they drink it? The purchase. They have
it in a glass between their two paws. Drink it
like communion wine, just on a Friday. I don't know
what what is catnip?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
Catnip is a herb okay, which.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Is very attractive to cats, not all cats.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Not all cats like it.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Okay catnip okay or cat grass I like that, And
actually I reckon there's there would be one reason it
would also go up the spending is that it's becoming
more of a thing that if you're going to have
a dog or a cat and you want and you
love it, and you don't want to have to have
it put down because you can't afford to treat its
broken leg. I would say the pet insurance thing must
(35:50):
be a significant part of that as well, wouldn't it.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
One hundred and I think that can be a really
responsible choice to make.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
And there's some depending upon I mean, Joe's obviously part
of this part of the world, but depending on how
you feed and water your animals. I mean some of
those I've looked at them recently at the supermarket you
can pay some serious money for specialist dog food.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
I wonder how many people actually still fork out and
give it their dog a treat of like Scotch philet
or something for their dog.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
I guess if you do that seems quite a victimless
crime afford.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
It asked the cow, you don't also have a pig?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Cow?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Then?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
No, oh, no, oh god, I made the missa. I
saw something on YouTube with a cow lover and they
had a cow that loved playing, chasing the beach ball
and everything, and I thought, oh god, that does make
it hard. It'll make it mildly harder. Night won't. But
it did make me for a moment just sort of
thinking about eating beef and like, because it was really
behaved like a dog, this cow, and I was very cute.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
I had a friend who had beef cattle as a farmer,
and she said, the cow's got taught to hug, and
I've never read it's really put me off beef for
the intervening time they'd run up and have a hug
because they're ver affectionate.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Friend of ours, family friend of ours. He grew up
as a farmer and he and his wife had a
couple of hundred cattle. I think they had a sort
of not bigger than a small farm, and he used
to be able to call to the cows and they'd
come over and say hello, sort of thing. And he
said that when because they were beef farmers, and when
they were sent off to the meat works, he said
(37:24):
he and his wife sat in the living room and
cried their eyes out. I think they kept a couple
for the freezer though. Strange confliction of emotions there. Anyway,
We'll be back in just a moment. It's nine and
a half minutes to four. This is Newstalk zaid B. Yes,
news Talk, said be Tim Beveridge with Paul Spoonley and
Joe McCarroll. Now, Lucky last I saw this on the
way to them all today, that about the opening of
(37:46):
Ikea and motorists their warnings all over the place saying
which I'm not sure if I think I'm going to
keep people away? Are they? But it says expect huge cues.
Basically when Ikea opens its New Zealand store in Auckland,
with potential hour long waits for car parks. This will
be based on what they've seen overseas. When everyone goes
potty for it. Ike anyway it is. I bought IQ
(38:08):
when I was in Australia. I think, yeah, I mean
it's we'll probably go and look along and look at something.
But anyway, I think everyone's going to go partty for it,
aren't they, Paul. I know our family's divided.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
There's the pro IQ and the Ika and I must
say that the meatballs and the Turmas, who are fantastic.
Just no, just saying, just saying. But the thing that
always gets me is that when you start, you are
forced to go through a route you cannot take any shortcuts.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
It's like sort of you're stuck it there for an
hour in ike world. Yeah, I world, Joe, are you
excited about IKEA coming?
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Look, I've got to say I am quite excited. I
brought a lot of IQ when I was living in London.
I've bought it in Australia and I feel like it's
taken ages to open it. But I suspect that that's
because it arrived in lots of pieces and they've had
to put it all together.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
It is huge.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
I don't know whether you guys have looked at it
out there, but it is huge and they will see there.
They're planning for it to be a shopping destination for
all of New Zealand. So they're going to build a
hotel nearby.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
I mean, it's, oh my goodness, serious stuff. Really, Actually,
I reckon there'll be a few enterprising young people out
there who will already have their marketing campaign to help
you assemble your furniture when you you know, if you
haven't struggle with it, we'll charge you fifty bucks an
our come around and do it.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
May go to the website Save your Marriage dot co
dot in z and.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Oh have they actually we did play this in the
break But if when you're listening after the weekend collective's over,
do just google. Have I got news for you? Things
you can say? Might hear an I care or the bedroom.
It's a very funny BBC radio show where they come
up with different expressions you might hear in two places
(39:53):
and I can't rarely repeat. Well, they're all quite clean,
but they're also very suggestively rude. But my one of
my favorites is well that was a complete waste of
a Saturday. So anyway, it's worth checking out. Anyway, Hey, lovely,
to see you, Lovely, C Joe and don't forget go
and get your copied of New Zealand Gardener magazine and
also the Gardening for Health and Wellbeing special edition is
(40:15):
out and we'll be back with Martin Cooper from Hardcourts
talking about what's the best way to sell your property
in terms of you know, price, auction, private, treaty, tender,
what have you. So we'll be talking that next on
the One roof Radio show, which is next News Talk SeeDB.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
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