June 20, 2025 • 43 mins
Is Trump Derangement Syndrome a real mental disorder? To find the answer, we follow the story of a life-long Democrat, a true American hero, and how baring her soul opened her eyes to a frightening new normal.
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This episode is called right to Try and was originally
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We've all seen cases of Trump derangement syndrome, where people
are triggered by the simplest show of Trump's support.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
America is crying tonight.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I'm not sure how much of America.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
But a very very significant portion, I mean literally crying.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
Police in Texas are looking for a man caught on
camera assaulting a teen who is wearing a make America Great.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
A hat again. So here he is.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Witnesses say the man took off the teen's hat, and
as you can see, he threw soda.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Onom And a man wearing one of Trump's make America Great.
Speaker 7 (01:41):
Again hats is attacked on an uptown train.
Speaker 8 (01:44):
So it's all great.
Speaker 9 (01:45):
Another white Trump supporter.
Speaker 10 (01:47):
Next thing I know, I have hands around my neck.
I'm being choked.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
We joke about this seeming affliction, but in all seriousness,
is it real? Is Trump derangement syndrome a real mental disorder?
I'm Patrick Carelchi.
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And I'm Adrianna Quarte.
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Trump derangement syndrome. We often use the term jokingly, but
is it a real mental disorder. To find the answer,
we follow the story of a lifelong democrat and how
baring her soul opened her eyes to a frightening new normal.
Ellen Buxtell was raised in the Sunshine State.
Speaker 12 (03:03):
I grew up in Miami, Florida, about sixty six years
ago I was born.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
She had a happy childhood and some great role models.
Speaker 12 (03:10):
I had two brothers, one was older and one was younger.
I was the middle child. We lived in a friendly neighborhood.
It was My parents were very open and happy, and
you know, I would say that it was pretty normal.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Her father was an optometrist and her mother owned her
own personalized papetries business. The matriarch of her family also
had a side gig.
Speaker 12 (03:30):
We had a very musical family. My mother was an
opera singer. She was in the Miami Opera Guild Chorus.
She would perform in the chorus and all of the
big operas that were held at mimiy Daale County Auditorium
for many many years, and all of us children came
by we got her jeans.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
She was very artistic from an early age. She began
singing as a child. Her and her brother performed as
a duo, and she also had another creative passion.
Speaker 12 (03:55):
But I was very artistic in several ways. When I
was in high school, I was always the one that
would draw the pep rally signs. When I was a
young child in elementary school, I was the one that
was asked to do all the bulletin boards. So I
had sort of an an act for art and graphic design.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So Ellen went to Florida State to study visual communications
what we now call graphic design. She would eventually marry
and in nineteen seventy six she started her own graphic
design company. Her marriage would start to falter, though, but
around nineteen eighty one, she met a man that would
become the love of her life.
Speaker 12 (04:27):
But he was a printing broker, a super salesman. A
friend of mine suggests that I show him my designs
and my artwork, and I went to his office, showed
him my portfolio, and he started giving me some business.
He would have clients who would need graphic design for
a brochure or a logo or anything related to print design.
And that was my job, was to create something for
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his clients. And of course I had my own clients too,
And that's how we met and we became friendly.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
His name was Doug, Doug Siegel. He was tall, roughly
two hundred pounds, handsome. When they first met, it was electric.
Speaker 12 (05:11):
It was like sparks, and people noticed, and it was
something that I was not going to let go in
my lifetime. I heard a story later on after we
got together that after I walked out of his first office,
he said to his secretary, he says, now I'm going
to marry that girl.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
As their relationship grew, Doug shared something with her that
seemed minor at the time compared to the love she
had for him.
Speaker 12 (05:34):
And one night we were out at dinner with a
sort of a business thing with some friends, and that's
where he told me he was a hemophiliac, which I
don't know that I had ever even heard of. Hemophilia.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Hemophilia is a blood clotting disorder afflicting mostly men, where
their blood is missing an essential blood clotting protein, called
factor eight. Essentially, their blood doesn't clot, so if they
get a cut or even a simple bruise, they can
bleed out and die.
Speaker 12 (06:00):
So what they have to do is they've had to
take medicine which is called factor eight, which basically replaces
the factor and enables their blood to coagulate. Otherwise they
suffer from, you know, serious bruising. And as a young boy,
he and his brother both were more than hemophiliacs. By
the time I met Doug. Of course, it was a
simple infusion into his veins of factor eight and he
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would be fine.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Ellen's mother was concerned about Doug's hemophilia, but Ellen wasn't you.
Speaker 12 (06:25):
Know, when you're in love, those things don't matter.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Ellen and Doug would get married, and in nineteen eighty
two they had their first son, Brett.
Speaker 12 (06:33):
Well, let's give us a smile here.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
He is so good looking.
Speaker 13 (06:42):
And when he gets so, King Sureley will give.
Speaker 14 (06:45):
You what's shaw.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Ellen quickly got pregnant again with their second son, Todd.
You were a young couple on their way, bursting with happiness.
They deeply loved one another. Life was good, but something
was already brewing, something that would redefine their life forever.
Speaker 9 (07:14):
Scientists at the National Centers for Disease Control and Atlanta
today released the results of a study which shows that
the lifestyle of some male homosexuals has triggered an epidemic
of a rare form of cancer. Robert Bizzel now in Atlanta.
Speaker 15 (07:29):
Bobby Campbell of San Francisco, and Billy Walker of New
York both suffer from a mysterious, newly discovered disease which
affects mostly homosexual men, but has also been found in
heterosexual men and women. The condition severely weakens the body's
ability to fight disease. Many victims get a rare form
of cancer called Caposi sarcoma. Others get an infection known
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as pneumocistus pneumonia. Researchers know of four hundred and thirteen
people who have contracted the condition in the past year.
One third have died and none have been cured. Investigators
have examined the habit bits of homosexuals for cruise.
Speaker 10 (08:05):
I was in the fast lane at one time in
terms of the way that I lived my life, and
now I'm not.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
The street name for the condition was called gay cancer
because it predominantly hit the gay community. But the condition
would soon find its way into other areas of the
American population in significant numbers enough to begin garnering media coverage.
Speaker 16 (08:26):
It appeared a year ago in New York's gay community,
then in the gay communities in San Francisco and Los Angeles.
Now it's been detected in Haitian refugees. No one knows why,
and in heavy drug users, especially in New York City,
no one knows why. And in some people with hemophilia,
a disease that prevents blood clotting so the patient needs
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frequent blood transfusions.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Researchers were initially baffled by the cause of the disease,
but by late nineteen eighty two they began honing in
on the cause, and it started slowly making its way
into the news.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
Well then eight hundred cases nationwide, three hundred plus of
those fatal, and every day three more cases are identified.
And yet still surprisingly few people are familiar with the
Acquired Immune Deficiency syndrome, or the acronym by which it's
frequently identified AIDS. The reason for that may lie in
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part in the character of its most common victims. When
AIDS first dropped up about eighteen months ago, almost all
its victims were homosexual males who frequently changed sexual partners,
alarming enough to that particular segment of society, But so
it first appeared not threatening to the public at large.
But that seems to be changing and the disease may
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be spreading.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
By the time it started seeping into the news, little
was widely known about the disease or how it was transmitted.
It was still predominantly in the gay community and hadn't
yet substantially made its way into the rest of the world.
But one day in nineteen eighty three, it touched Doug
and Ellen's life.
Speaker 12 (10:03):
Batch four oh seven seven. I'll never forget that number.
We got a notice from the blood company saying batch
four oh seven seven was found to have been infected
with the AIDS virus, and of course Doug and Scott
used to buy their blood from the blood companies.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
The letter from the blood company said that they should
not use the batch and to return it, but both
Doug and his brother Scott had already infused themselves with
the batch. But at that time in nineteen eighty three,
doctors and researchers were sending the message that the risk
for catching the disease was very low, even for hemophiliacs.
Speaker 17 (10:38):
Doctor Jaffey, What about the possibility is some say that
this disease is now being spread through blood bags.
Speaker 10 (10:46):
There is some suggestion that it can be transmitted through blood,
and clearly it's now a problem among hemophiliacs. We also
are looking at a few cases non hemophiliacs who receive
blood for other reasons, operations, accidents, and so on, who
may have fired AIDS in that way. I think it's
important to recognize, though, that this risk at present is
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extremely small, and people certainly should not be refusing blood
that they need because of this concern.
Speaker 12 (11:15):
We were right there when everyone else was first hearing
about it. My first exposure to it was with Geraldo Rivera,
you know, was talking about the gay community, how so
many men were coming down with this weird disease, and
that's where it started for us.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So when Doug and Ellen went to see their doctor,
knowing little to nothing about the disease, they were told
that he was more at risk for something else, but
there was.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
So little known about AIDS and HIV.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
That's Doug I.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Always felt that there was more of a risk for
me to have a problem with hepatitis than with AIDS,
and that's what the medical community still told us.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
In nineteen eighty three, there was no test to see
if someone had the disease. But a year later they
began getting closer.
Speaker 18 (12:09):
This is what the htlv three virus looks like, magnified
thousands of times, clumped on the edge of a white
blood cell. It's invaded. Still closer an individual virus, showing
its dense center that distinguishes it from other viruses. The
breakthrough came when researchers at the National Cancer Institute were
able to isolate that virus at mass produce it for
closer study. Health Secretary Margaret Heckler made the announcement to
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a jammed news conference.
Speaker 17 (12:34):
The probable cause of ages has been found.
Speaker 18 (12:37):
Gallos has. A blood test for htlv three will be
ready in six months.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
With the risk appearing exceedingly low. Doug and Ellen went
on living their lives. They had a daughter, Margo, but
all the while the disease was slowly picking up steam
in the general population and then hit a major pop
icon that sent shock waves around the world.
Speaker 19 (12:56):
Hudson died in his sleep at nine this morning at
his three million dollar home in Beverly Hills, a frightened
Hollywood began raising money to fight AIDS. Hudson was too
sick to attend last month's fundraising gala, but his statement
was read by actor Bert Lancaster.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
I'm not happy that I have AIDS, but if that
is helping others, I can at least know that my
own misfortune has had some positive work.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
With actor Rock Hudson dying of AIDS, the disease entered
further into American homes. By nineteen eighty six, Doug and
his brother started showing some troubling signs.
Speaker 12 (13:31):
You know, one of the symptoms is chronic illness. You know,
it would have colds, it wouldn't go away. You know,
it was very subtle, with.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
High fevers that were unexplained, night sweats. I started to
lose weight. I lost about forty pounds.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Then his brother Scott was tested. It came up positive
for HIV. It was time for Doug to get tested.
Speaker 12 (13:55):
And so we went to a Jackson Memorial Hospital to
get tested. At that point there was finally a test
for AIDS.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Doug recalls the visit we.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Were at Jackson Memorial Hospital.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
The doctor diagnosed me.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
With having age related complex, which is uh AIDS, with
the exception that I had not had an opportunistic infection yet.
You know, we were kind of stunned because he said
what he told us to do was make contingency plans
and hope for the best.
Speaker 20 (14:30):
That's what he said, make contingency plans and hope for
the best. And we kind of looked at each other
sort of tearful and sh you know, shuddered a little bit.
And then we went and had lunch and decided we
would go see our attorney and make out our wills
and do those things that mechanically we could do that
we had control over 'em. You know, that was something
we some action we could take, and it was logical,
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and it sort of diffused some of the the shock,
and it gave us something to do, and and that
was our next step. And then, of course, who do
we tell.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
We weren't concerned with what people would think about us.
We didn't want people to start rejecting our children. So
in the beginning when we decided not to tell a
lot of people, it was because of the children. After
I developed full blown AIDS, which is I developed numesisis pneumonia,
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which was in May of nineteen eighty seven. We decided
that the kids are just going to have to roll
with punches.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Their friend's reaction was just about as good as anyone
could hope for.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
We'll have an exceptional, exceptional, loving group of friends. The
reaction was, of course, we're concerned with how AIDS was
passed on, and they educated themselves. I have not been
rejected by anybody, any people that are important to me,
just extremely fortunate.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Doug and Allen decided that they weren't going to hide.
They were going to speak out there their souls. He
felt that in the long run it would be better
for their kids and was important for the fight against AIDS.
You see, at the time, in nineteen eighty seven, AIDS
was still thought primarily to be a gay disease. Now
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Here they were a straight, married couple facing the exact
same disease that was ravaging the gay community. People needed
to be educated, and they took on that role. They
spoke to their immediate community.
Speaker 21 (16:30):
I know you all are curious done a lot of things.
Speaker 17 (16:33):
Just go ahead and ask, because.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
I'm sure other people are.
Speaker 13 (16:37):
STU is the saying things that you are.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
They spoke to the presidential Commission on AIDS.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
My name is Doug Sigel.
Speaker 16 (16:46):
I'm thirty five years old.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I've been married for almost six years.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I have three small preschool children.
Speaker 10 (16:53):
I am a hymophiliac, and I have AIDS.
Speaker 22 (16:56):
My name is Ellen buck Stell Siegel. I'm Doug's wife.
I'm his friend and his lover. I do not have AIDS,
nor do I test positive for the AIDS antibodies. Our
children do not have AIDS, nor do they test positive.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
And it was in this speaking out that they found
a passion. At the time, in nineteen eighty seven, a
promising new drug had begun testing.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
AZT was developed in nineteen sixty four as an anti
cancer drug, but in experiments a year ago, it prolonged
the lives of certain AIDS patients, those who had the
weakest immune systems and those who had pneumocistus pneumonia, a common,
often fatal infection in AIDS patients.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
After a long stall, there was finally experimental drugs being tested,
but there was still no known cure, so there was
a need to educate one of the most high risk groups,
the sexually active youth. That's where Doug and Ellen found
their calling.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Other high risk group, in my opinion, that is not
publicized a lot, and that is the young adult and
the teenager who thinks that it's not going to happen
to them. The heterosexual who feels that this is a
gay disease.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
You know, it's just not true anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Doug and Ellen became pioneers in their area on educating
the public youth, but there was a hesitance by the
Reagan administration for the government to get involved in public
school sex education.
Speaker 23 (18:31):
The federal rule must be to give educators accurate information
about the disease. Now, how that information is used must
be up to schools and parents, not government.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And that thought trickled into local communities. The public schools
that Doug and Ellen spoke at tried to restrict them
from talking about certain areas of sex education.
Speaker 12 (18:50):
I was on a speaker's bureau for Dag County Public Schools,
and there were rules that we weren't allowed to talk
about and use the word rubber well. I never paid
an attention to that rule.
Speaker 24 (19:01):
It's important that you know what kind of illness it
is and how it is and is not transmitted.
Speaker 12 (19:08):
To get up in front of you and to say
we live our life as we have always lived it,
with two exceptions.
Speaker 24 (19:14):
We have chosen to eliminate certain sexual practices from our
love making. One of them is intercourse and the other
is deep kissing.
Speaker 12 (19:24):
There was no way I was going to give into
that rule. I didn't work for them. I was a
volunteer coming in and speaking and educating kids, and I
was on a mission to make sure that people understood
that not talking about these things is the worst thing
you can do.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Doug and Ellen opened up to anyone and everyone that
would listen. It was cathartic for them to let it
all out and not hide, not be ashamed. There was
nothing to be ashamed about, and they wanted to get
the message across to whoever would listen. They felt their
impact immediately.
Speaker 12 (19:57):
There were people and audiences who were so closeted and
so fearful. The child would come up. Literally, there were
some young kids that would come take on you know
that they wanted to tell me that, you know, my
brother or my mom or something has ages. And I've
never told anybody. Imagine being so closeted and so fearful
of the community and of people's harsh judgments.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Like many creative people, experiencing pain, Ellen turned to art
as an outlet. She wrote a poem for Doug and
the words just flowed out of her. She presented the
poem to Doug and he would play a game with it,
calling everyone they knew and seeing if he could make
them cry by reciting it. The poem was about Ellen
meeting Doug in another place after his passing. She recited
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it often at their speaking engagements.
Speaker 22 (20:43):
In solitude, I closed my eyes. My dreams helped me
to see the joyful and the happy way that our
life used to be. One thing that we have learned
for sure of this, I'm truly glad to live each
day as if it was the only one we had.
If I must live without you and our life together, unsure,
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we'll find another place in time where we will meete
once more.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Ellen and Doug were making a difference, and it would
prepare them for what happened next.
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Speaker 2 (22:45):
Welcome back to red pilled America. Doug's brother, Scott would
eventually succumb to AIDS. The day after burying him, Doug
and Ellen were in court. After a long debate, Doug
and his brother decided to sue the blood company for
their screening practices that led to them selling the brother's
AIDS infected blood, so Doug was following through on their decision.
Speaker 12 (23:10):
It was a horrible experience, so it was devastating to
Doug when his brother died and then to have to
go to court the next day and be interrogated. Of course,
we lost because they couldn't prove causation. I remember the
clerk reading the verdict in tears. This person was crying
because it was just such an emotional experience for everyone,
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not only those of us involved, but people who were
observing there and sitting in the gallery. It was just amazing.
I never would want to go through that again.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Doug was consistently sick from the time he was diagnosed
all the way through the trial, but he was still
able to speak about his illness to audiences to warn
of the dangers. He along with Ellen, were able to
dispel the widespread misinformation about the disease, but within about
six months of his brother's death, the disease began to
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overtake him.
Speaker 12 (24:03):
It soon turned from normal to Doug being in bed
a lot. He couldn't he couldn't. Sorry getting a little
emotional here.
Speaker 11 (24:18):
It was an amazing.
Speaker 12 (24:22):
Experience and it was a sad experience.
Speaker 22 (24:24):
It was.
Speaker 11 (24:26):
Watching someone deteriorate. He was six feet tall, he was
probably two hundred pounds, and he had what they call
wasting syndrome where he couldn't I guess he couldn't process
his food intake, and he ended up looking like he
just walked out of Auschwitz concentration camp. It was like
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I describe him as skin over bones. And it was
just the saddest thing to see someone deteriorate like that
and so fast.
Speaker 12 (25:00):
And he was incredible. He was bedridden at the point
he was probably not more than gosh if he was
eighty pounds after being two hundred pounds in robust in
his healthy days. And we still slept together in the
same bed, and I woke up in the middle of
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the night my sister in law, who had already lost
her husband, who was Doug's brother. She was there with
me caring for Doug, and I woke up and found
him dead, lying back next to me in the middle
of the night.
Speaker 17 (25:47):
A South Florida man whose courage in the face of
death won him the admiration of many people, was buried
today thirty six year old Doug Siegel, hemophiliac, who contracted
aid's doed.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Doug's greatest fear was that his three young kids would
not remember him when he passed.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Because they're so young now, there stands a very good
chance of them not even remembering who I am without
being shown by means of videotape or pictures. I think
what I'm trying to do now is build memories, because
that's where I'll live on, and memories in people's mind,
in my children's mind. Ellen and I have always said
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to each other that we're going to meet in a
different life, and I hope that I am someplace where
I can watch over them.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Doug wrote his three young children a letter a year
before he died from AIDS.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
The letter read, Brett, Todd, and Margot, this is real
hard for me, my babies. You three of the reasons
I hung on the foundations of my will to live
and the saddest part of knowing that I was going
to die.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Margo, I see you, I see you.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
I'm gonna go higher.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Margot. You used to say when you were almost two,
watch me, Daddy, and then you do something silly. I'd
watch you over and over again. I wish I could
watch you now.
Speaker 10 (27:30):
God, Daddy, Dad, you doing.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Pete and repeat your brothers. You really can't imagine how
wonderful that is. If you overlook any differences you might
eventually have, your brother will be the one person in
your life that will always be there for you. Don't
ever let that change. It's so important my children grow up,
change the world. Your success is measured by your integrity.
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Be there for your friends each other. And if you're
old enough now, remember that I your father, loved you,
needed you, and was so very proud to have you
in my life for as long as I did. I
love you, Brett, I love you, Toddy, I love you,
Margo Doug Segel. After Doug's passing, Ellen continued her AIDS activism,
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speaking to high risk groups about the deadly disease. She
also turned to a passion from her youth music and
began writing songs and in nineteen ninety five, her band
at the time, Legacy, published an album dedicated to her
late husband and his brother Scott. She adapted her touching
poem to Doug for one of the tracks.
Speaker 22 (28:53):
To live each day as if it was the only
one we had. If I must live without, I must live.
Speaker 16 (29:08):
Sh way well.
Speaker 13 (29:14):
All the play.
Speaker 20 (29:17):
Mtime Wowy.
Speaker 22 (29:30):
Was.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Over the years, Ellen would continue writing music, many of
the songs tackling important social issues, with one of her
songs becoming the theme song for the National Coalition Against
Domestic Violence, and she got heavily involved in the local
music scene, converting her house several times a year into
a concert venue called Shack in the Back that raised
money for various charities. Her kids, Brett, Todd and Margo,
(30:08):
also picked up her creative gene. Ellen also met a
man and he'd eventually become her living boyfriend. Being immersed
in both the arts and AIDS activism community throughout her
entire adult life, it isn't hard to guess that Ellen
considered herself a lifelong democrat. In fact, her entire social circle,
including her friends, family, and music fans, are all liberals,
(30:30):
but her sons Brett and Todd acquired a different worldview.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
My brother and I we were both pretty good conservatives.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
That's Ellen's son, Brett Siegel. The two brothers had been
making waves in their family with their conservative views and
it started causing trouble for Ellen and the family, and
she expressed it to Brett.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Her immediate reaction was, Brett, you're kicking the beehive. You
are just being antagonistic to the family. When the other
side of the family basically banned me from the family reunion,
she started seeing a little bit of what goes on
behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
That move opened Ellen's eyes a bit to some of
the entire lance on her side of the aisle. But
it was the election of Donald Trump that brought it
into full view.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And then Donald Trump got elected and everybody that she
knew the just went absolutely deranged. They started posting apocalyptic stuff,
things that were like, Oh, it's going to be the
end of the world. It's going to be the end
of the economy. The economy is going to tank. He's gonna,
like what Joe Biden said, He's gonna put y'all back
in chains. So you know, it's really not difficult to
see when you look outside that Okay, there's really no
(31:28):
holocaust going on. You know, you go out into the
world and you actually see that people aren't being accosted
on a daily basis.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Ellen raised her kids right, so she knew they wouldn't
be supporting the man portrayed by her social circle.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
She started listening to my point of view. She started
understanding that it's no my son hasn't turned into a racist.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
So her sons began talking with Ellen Moore about their
conservative beliefs and why they supported the president. And Ellen
began warming too, if not Trump her son's views, and.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Then she started opening her eyes to what it was
that was going on. And she's still didn't like Trump.
She didn't really like him at all. She said, oh, well,
maybe he's maybe he's not that bad, but I just
don't like the way he talked.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
But then something happened.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
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Speaker 14 (32:37):
We also believe that patients with terminal conditions terminal illness
should have access to experimental treatment immediately that could potentially
save their lives. It's time for Congress to give these wonderful,
incredible Americans the right to try.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Donald Trump pushed for, then signed the Right to Try
bill into law.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
On signing the bill this afternoon, President Trump said Right
to Try will give dying patients hope where they had
none before. Right to Try enables terminally ill patients the
ability to take experimental drugs outside of clinical trials, when
they've exhausted all of their options.
Speaker 21 (33:21):
Some bills that don't have a good name, Okay, they
really do, but this is such a great name. For
the first day I heard it, It's so perfect Right
to Try and a lot of that trying is going
to be successful.
Speaker 23 (33:35):
I really believe that.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
You see. When Ellen's husband Doug was first diagnosed with
HIV in October nineteen eighty six, a drug act had
been developed over twenty years earlier. After some red tape
was removed, AZT entered the trial phase in nineteen eighty
seven to treat AIDS patients suffering from the very same
ailment that was afflicting Doug. Pneumocistic pneumonia.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
AZT was developed in nineteen sixty four as an anti
cancer drug, but in experiments a year ago it prolonged
the law of certain AIDS patients, those who had the
weakest immune systems and those who had pneumocistus pneumonia, a common,
often fatal infection, and AIDS patients.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
The drug is used to this day as part of
an overall treatment to drastically extend the lives of HIV patients.
When Ellen heard about the right to Try law, it
struck her.
Speaker 12 (34:22):
I became aware that President Trump had signed into law
the right to Try. I've never heard of such a thing,
and I found out a little more about it, and
I decided that I would post my story on Facebook
to my friends, and I told him how he died
(34:43):
lying next to me in bed.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
So she made a very impassioned post on Facebook in
which she basically said, I watched my husband die and
this law might have saved his life. I watched him die,
and the right to try might have given him some hope.
At the very least. It wasn't just. It would have
made it not a death sentence. Maybe, maybe, just maybe
(35:07):
it would have given us kids some extra time with
our father. Maybe it would have maybe a week, maybe
a month, maybe years.
Speaker 12 (35:14):
And you know, put it out there, the whole sordid,
sad situation. And basically my first sentence was I want
to applaud President Trump for signing a right to trial
into law. And you would have thought that I set
a bomb off somewhere.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
She got a taste of the vitriol, She got a
taste of the blind hatred, She got a taste of
the absolute derangement. She had people going on there saying
that if I were you, I would be ashamed to
be a mother. You know, things like that, Like her
friends of years were going on and saying, how could
you even say anything nice about him?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
This is a woman that had not only been through
a horrific ordeal, but her activism in the face of
it all helped relieve pain and educate a frantic public.
She no doubt saved the lives. And here she was
baring her soul again, giving very specific praise to the
President about a topic that few knew more about than her.
And she was a tact on a level that shocked her.
(36:12):
Not only did her social circle bombard with hate, but
her own boyfriend joined the mob.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Her boyfriend of twenty years, when he could have just
walked across the house and said, hey, what's going on
with you in this your warm feelings towards Trump, what's
going on with that? Instead, what he did was he
posted in public on Facebook a scathing, deriding, degrading diatribe
about all the fake news that has spread about Trump
(36:37):
and conservatives, and basically tossed her under the bus in
front of all of her fans, in front of all
of her friends, in front of all of her family,
while she was on her way to get a neurological exam.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Her boyfriend moved out in a matter of a few weeks.
Ellen had experienced Trump derangement syndrome, something so many have
faced over the past few years. The phrase Trump derangement syndrome,
or TDS for short, appears to have been coined by
a conservative writer named Esther Goldberg in August twenty fifteen. However,
the term was likely derived from the late psychiatrist and
(37:12):
political commentator Charles Krauthammer, when he cited Bush derangement syndrome
as the acute onset of paranoia and otherwise normal people
in reaction to the politics the presidency. Nay, the very
existence of George W. Bush Esther Goldberg's original reference to
teds may have been tongue in cheek, but since the
(37:32):
results of the twenty sixteen election, some suspect it might
be a serious mental condition.
Speaker 13 (37:38):
What people call Trump de arrangement syndrome may indeed be
some kind of mental condition which is shared by many people.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
That's doctor Robert Whitley, the principal investigator of the Social
Psychiatry Research and Interest Group at the Douglas Hospital Research Center.
He wrote a serious article about the potential of Trump
derangement syndrome being a real mental condition.
Speaker 13 (37:59):
In psychiatry, what we often do is we raise possibilities,
we raise awareness of istion, use for discussion, and so
my intention is really to start discussion. My dream is
to do a kind of research, start of your myth.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
What may explain the phenomenon of Trump derangement syndrome is
what psychologists refer to as cognitive dissonance. Again, doctor Robert Whitley.
Speaker 13 (38:18):
So, cognitive dissonance is a concept which is commonly used
in psychology whereby an individual or a group hold to
ideas simultaneously within their own mind, which are actually contradictory,
or which one could say, I'm mutually exclusive.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
In other words, cognitive dissonance is the tension that someone
experiences when they are presented with facts that completely contradict
their strongly held opinion. The first person to explain Trump
arrangement syndrome in terms of cognitive dissonance and flagged it
as a serious issue is the famed Dilbert artist Scott Adams.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
In all seriousness, this is a legitimate, fairly major mental
health issue.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
The way Scott Adams sees it, Trump's supporters were less
likely to experience into derangement after the twenty sixteen election because,
regardless of the results, the outcome would have made sense
in the mind of a Trump supporter either way. If
Trump would have lost, well, that's what the media and
the polls were telling everyone anyways, So there would have
been no mental conflict. If Trump won, as he did, well,
(39:19):
that's what a Trump supporter expected to happen. The results
would have explained a world that made sense to a
Trump supporter. However, the other half of the country had
a completely different reality about Trump. For nearly a year
and a half almost twenty four seven, the media was
painting Trump as the reincarnation of Hitler with no chance
of winning the election.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
But if you were on the side that knew he
couldn't win, there's no way you were living in the
country that this monster could possibly become our leader. And
then you woke up and he was. That's a classic
setup for cognitive dissonance, is where you have to rewrite
the script in your head to make sense of this
new information. And here's what people don't do because we're
(40:00):
all humans, so we rarely rea write the script in
their head to say, you know, the best way to
explain this is that I was an idiot.
Speaker 11 (40:08):
For two years.
Speaker 21 (40:09):
Right.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Nobody does that, right, and there's nothing wrong with that.
That's normal. I don't do it, You don't do it.
Nobody does that. So they have to come up with
a new script that explains their situation. And so I
think they've come up with My god, there are more
racists in the country than we knew. They voted this
guy in and he must have had help from Russia,
because there's no way this happens in a natural way,
(40:32):
because my world wouldn't make sense if he could get
elected just by having policies. People like couldn't happen.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
So when people are met with the cold hard facts
that refute their deeply felt opinions, they experience cognitive dissonance
and sometimes lash out or come up with wild ideas
to make sense of the world that now makes no
sense to them.
Speaker 13 (40:53):
But we do know that some people have difficulties resolving
cognitive dissonance, and like I said, that often results in
blaming other people or in coming to a false conclusions,
or to having a kind of mini conspiracy theory about
what's happening in life.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
What we have seen since the twenty sixteen election is
possibly the most massive case of cognitive dissonance that has
ever occurred in Western civilization. And that's not hyperbole. It's
what led to the reaction to Ellen's heartfelt post, a
post that simply cited something irrefutably good that Trump had done.
Here was a person, a truly special woman, an American
(41:29):
hero whose horrific personal tragedy gave her a unique perspective
on Trump's action. She shared that feeling with her community
and the power of her credibility on this issue contradicted
the strongly held belief of Ellen's social circle, so they
attacked her character to make sense of their world, which
(41:54):
leads us back to the question, is trumps arrangement syndrome
a real mental condition? I think Ellen's story shows us
the answer is yes. But we'll have to wait for
doctor Robert Whitley to find a research grant to give
us clear, data driven evidence. In the meantime, we're forced
to listen to this for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 8 (42:15):
Here are eighteen reasons Trump could be a Russian asset.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
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and his name is Douglas Brett Siegel the Second, and
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Speaker 2 (01:01):
This episode is called right to Try and was originally
published on January seventeenth, twenty nineteen, but includes an August
twenty twenty two update. Enjoy.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
We've all seen cases of Trump derangement syndrome, where people
are triggered by the simplest show of Trump's support.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
America is crying tonight.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I'm not sure how much of America.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
But a very very significant portion, I mean literally crying.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
Police in Texas are looking for a man caught on
camera assaulting a teen who is wearing a make America Great.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
A hat again. So here he is.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Witnesses say the man took off the teen's hat, and
as you can see, he threw soda.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
Onom And a man wearing one of Trump's make America Great.
Speaker 7 (01:41):
Again hats is attacked on an uptown train.
Speaker 8 (01:44):
So it's all great.
Speaker 9 (01:45):
Another white Trump supporter.
Speaker 10 (01:47):
Next thing I know, I have hands around my neck.
I'm being choked.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
We joke about this seeming affliction, but in all seriousness,
is it real? Is Trump derangement syndrome a real mental disorder?
I'm Patrick Carelchi.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
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Speaker 1 (02:42):
Trump derangement syndrome. We often use the term jokingly, but
is it a real mental disorder. To find the answer,
we follow the story of a lifelong democrat and how
baring her soul opened her eyes to a frightening new normal.
Ellen Buxtell was raised in the Sunshine State.
Speaker 12 (03:03):
I grew up in Miami, Florida, about sixty six years
ago I was born.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
She had a happy childhood and some great role models.
Speaker 12 (03:10):
I had two brothers, one was older and one was younger.
I was the middle child. We lived in a friendly neighborhood.
It was My parents were very open and happy, and
you know, I would say that it was pretty normal.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Her father was an optometrist and her mother owned her
own personalized papetries business. The matriarch of her family also
had a side gig.
Speaker 12 (03:30):
We had a very musical family. My mother was an
opera singer. She was in the Miami Opera Guild Chorus.
She would perform in the chorus and all of the
big operas that were held at mimiy Daale County Auditorium
for many many years, and all of us children came
by we got her jeans.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
She was very artistic from an early age. She began
singing as a child. Her and her brother performed as
a duo, and she also had another creative passion.
Speaker 12 (03:55):
But I was very artistic in several ways. When I
was in high school, I was always the one that
would draw the pep rally signs. When I was a
young child in elementary school, I was the one that
was asked to do all the bulletin boards. So I
had sort of an an act for art and graphic design.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So Ellen went to Florida State to study visual communications
what we now call graphic design. She would eventually marry
and in nineteen seventy six she started her own graphic
design company. Her marriage would start to falter, though, but
around nineteen eighty one, she met a man that would
become the love of her life.
Speaker 12 (04:27):
But he was a printing broker, a super salesman. A
friend of mine suggests that I show him my designs
and my artwork, and I went to his office, showed
him my portfolio, and he started giving me some business.
He would have clients who would need graphic design for
a brochure or a logo or anything related to print design.
And that was my job, was to create something for
(04:50):
his clients. And of course I had my own clients too,
And that's how we met and we became friendly.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
His name was Doug, Doug Siegel. He was tall, roughly
two hundred pounds, handsome. When they first met, it was electric.
Speaker 12 (05:11):
It was like sparks, and people noticed, and it was
something that I was not going to let go in
my lifetime. I heard a story later on after we
got together that after I walked out of his first office,
he said to his secretary, he says, now I'm going
to marry that girl.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
As their relationship grew, Doug shared something with her that
seemed minor at the time compared to the love she
had for him.
Speaker 12 (05:34):
And one night we were out at dinner with a
sort of a business thing with some friends, and that's
where he told me he was a hemophiliac, which I
don't know that I had ever even heard of. Hemophilia.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Hemophilia is a blood clotting disorder afflicting mostly men, where
their blood is missing an essential blood clotting protein, called
factor eight. Essentially, their blood doesn't clot, so if they
get a cut or even a simple bruise, they can
bleed out and die.
Speaker 12 (06:00):
So what they have to do is they've had to
take medicine which is called factor eight, which basically replaces
the factor and enables their blood to coagulate. Otherwise they
suffer from, you know, serious bruising. And as a young boy,
he and his brother both were more than hemophiliacs. By
the time I met Doug. Of course, it was a
simple infusion into his veins of factor eight and he
(06:20):
would be fine.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Ellen's mother was concerned about Doug's hemophilia, but Ellen wasn't you.
Speaker 12 (06:25):
Know, when you're in love, those things don't matter.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Ellen and Doug would get married, and in nineteen eighty
two they had their first son, Brett.
Speaker 12 (06:33):
Well, let's give us a smile here.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
He is so good looking.
Speaker 13 (06:42):
And when he gets so, King Sureley will give.
Speaker 14 (06:45):
You what's shaw.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Ellen quickly got pregnant again with their second son, Todd.
You were a young couple on their way, bursting with happiness.
They deeply loved one another. Life was good, but something
was already brewing, something that would redefine their life forever.
Speaker 9 (07:14):
Scientists at the National Centers for Disease Control and Atlanta
today released the results of a study which shows that
the lifestyle of some male homosexuals has triggered an epidemic
of a rare form of cancer. Robert Bizzel now in Atlanta.
Speaker 15 (07:29):
Bobby Campbell of San Francisco, and Billy Walker of New
York both suffer from a mysterious, newly discovered disease which
affects mostly homosexual men, but has also been found in
heterosexual men and women. The condition severely weakens the body's
ability to fight disease. Many victims get a rare form
of cancer called Caposi sarcoma. Others get an infection known
(07:51):
as pneumocistus pneumonia. Researchers know of four hundred and thirteen
people who have contracted the condition in the past year.
One third have died and none have been cured. Investigators
have examined the habit bits of homosexuals for cruise.
Speaker 10 (08:05):
I was in the fast lane at one time in
terms of the way that I lived my life, and
now I'm not.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
The street name for the condition was called gay cancer
because it predominantly hit the gay community. But the condition
would soon find its way into other areas of the
American population in significant numbers enough to begin garnering media coverage.
Speaker 16 (08:26):
It appeared a year ago in New York's gay community,
then in the gay communities in San Francisco and Los Angeles.
Now it's been detected in Haitian refugees. No one knows why,
and in heavy drug users, especially in New York City,
no one knows why. And in some people with hemophilia,
a disease that prevents blood clotting so the patient needs
(08:47):
frequent blood transfusions.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Researchers were initially baffled by the cause of the disease,
but by late nineteen eighty two they began honing in
on the cause, and it started slowly making its way
into the news.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
Well then eight hundred cases nationwide, three hundred plus of
those fatal, and every day three more cases are identified.
And yet still surprisingly few people are familiar with the
Acquired Immune Deficiency syndrome, or the acronym by which it's
frequently identified AIDS. The reason for that may lie in
(09:21):
part in the character of its most common victims. When
AIDS first dropped up about eighteen months ago, almost all
its victims were homosexual males who frequently changed sexual partners,
alarming enough to that particular segment of society, But so
it first appeared not threatening to the public at large.
But that seems to be changing and the disease may
(09:44):
be spreading.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
By the time it started seeping into the news, little
was widely known about the disease or how it was transmitted.
It was still predominantly in the gay community and hadn't
yet substantially made its way into the rest of the world.
But one day in nineteen eighty three, it touched Doug
and Ellen's life.
Speaker 12 (10:03):
Batch four oh seven seven. I'll never forget that number.
We got a notice from the blood company saying batch
four oh seven seven was found to have been infected
with the AIDS virus, and of course Doug and Scott
used to buy their blood from the blood companies.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
The letter from the blood company said that they should
not use the batch and to return it, but both
Doug and his brother Scott had already infused themselves with
the batch. But at that time in nineteen eighty three,
doctors and researchers were sending the message that the risk
for catching the disease was very low, even for hemophiliacs.
Speaker 17 (10:38):
Doctor Jaffey, What about the possibility is some say that
this disease is now being spread through blood bags.
Speaker 10 (10:46):
There is some suggestion that it can be transmitted through blood,
and clearly it's now a problem among hemophiliacs. We also
are looking at a few cases non hemophiliacs who receive
blood for other reasons, operations, accidents, and so on, who
may have fired AIDS in that way. I think it's
important to recognize, though, that this risk at present is
(11:09):
extremely small, and people certainly should not be refusing blood
that they need because of this concern.
Speaker 12 (11:15):
We were right there when everyone else was first hearing
about it. My first exposure to it was with Geraldo Rivera,
you know, was talking about the gay community, how so
many men were coming down with this weird disease, and
that's where it started for us.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So when Doug and Ellen went to see their doctor,
knowing little to nothing about the disease, they were told
that he was more at risk for something else, but
there was.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
So little known about AIDS and HIV.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
That's Doug I.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Always felt that there was more of a risk for
me to have a problem with hepatitis than with AIDS,
and that's what the medical community still told us.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
In nineteen eighty three, there was no test to see
if someone had the disease. But a year later they
began getting closer.
Speaker 18 (12:09):
This is what the htlv three virus looks like, magnified
thousands of times, clumped on the edge of a white
blood cell. It's invaded. Still closer an individual virus, showing
its dense center that distinguishes it from other viruses. The
breakthrough came when researchers at the National Cancer Institute were
able to isolate that virus at mass produce it for
closer study. Health Secretary Margaret Heckler made the announcement to
(12:33):
a jammed news conference.
Speaker 17 (12:34):
The probable cause of ages has been found.
Speaker 18 (12:37):
Gallos has. A blood test for htlv three will be
ready in six months.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
With the risk appearing exceedingly low. Doug and Ellen went
on living their lives. They had a daughter, Margo, but
all the while the disease was slowly picking up steam
in the general population and then hit a major pop
icon that sent shock waves around the world.
Speaker 19 (12:56):
Hudson died in his sleep at nine this morning at
his three million dollar home in Beverly Hills, a frightened
Hollywood began raising money to fight AIDS. Hudson was too
sick to attend last month's fundraising gala, but his statement
was read by actor Bert Lancaster.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
I'm not happy that I have AIDS, but if that
is helping others, I can at least know that my
own misfortune has had some positive work.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
With actor Rock Hudson dying of AIDS, the disease entered
further into American homes. By nineteen eighty six, Doug and
his brother started showing some troubling signs.
Speaker 12 (13:31):
You know, one of the symptoms is chronic illness. You know,
it would have colds, it wouldn't go away. You know,
it was very subtle, with.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
High fevers that were unexplained, night sweats. I started to
lose weight. I lost about forty pounds.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Then his brother Scott was tested. It came up positive
for HIV. It was time for Doug to get tested.
Speaker 12 (13:55):
And so we went to a Jackson Memorial Hospital to
get tested. At that point there was finally a test
for AIDS.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Doug recalls the visit we.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Were at Jackson Memorial Hospital.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
The doctor diagnosed me.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
With having age related complex, which is uh AIDS, with
the exception that I had not had an opportunistic infection yet.
You know, we were kind of stunned because he said
what he told us to do was make contingency plans
and hope for the best.
Speaker 20 (14:30):
That's what he said, make contingency plans and hope for
the best. And we kind of looked at each other
sort of tearful and sh you know, shuddered a little bit.
And then we went and had lunch and decided we
would go see our attorney and make out our wills
and do those things that mechanically we could do that
we had control over 'em. You know, that was something
we some action we could take, and it was logical,
(14:51):
and it sort of diffused some of the the shock,
and it gave us something to do, and and that
was our next step. And then, of course, who do
we tell.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
We weren't concerned with what people would think about us.
We didn't want people to start rejecting our children. So
in the beginning when we decided not to tell a
lot of people, it was because of the children. After
I developed full blown AIDS, which is I developed numesisis pneumonia,
(15:22):
which was in May of nineteen eighty seven. We decided
that the kids are just going to have to roll
with punches.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Their friend's reaction was just about as good as anyone
could hope for.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
We'll have an exceptional, exceptional, loving group of friends. The
reaction was, of course, we're concerned with how AIDS was
passed on, and they educated themselves. I have not been
rejected by anybody, any people that are important to me,
just extremely fortunate.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Doug and Allen decided that they weren't going to hide.
They were going to speak out there their souls. He
felt that in the long run it would be better
for their kids and was important for the fight against AIDS.
You see, at the time, in nineteen eighty seven, AIDS
was still thought primarily to be a gay disease. Now
(16:16):
Here they were a straight, married couple facing the exact
same disease that was ravaging the gay community. People needed
to be educated, and they took on that role. They
spoke to their immediate community.
Speaker 21 (16:30):
I know you all are curious done a lot of things.
Speaker 17 (16:33):
Just go ahead and ask, because.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
I'm sure other people are.
Speaker 13 (16:37):
STU is the saying things that you are.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
They spoke to the presidential Commission on AIDS.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
My name is Doug Sigel.
Speaker 16 (16:46):
I'm thirty five years old.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I've been married for almost six years.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I have three small preschool children.
Speaker 10 (16:53):
I am a hymophiliac, and I have AIDS.
Speaker 22 (16:56):
My name is Ellen buck Stell Siegel. I'm Doug's wife.
I'm his friend and his lover. I do not have AIDS,
nor do I test positive for the AIDS antibodies. Our
children do not have AIDS, nor do they test positive.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
And it was in this speaking out that they found
a passion. At the time, in nineteen eighty seven, a
promising new drug had begun testing.
Speaker 8 (17:20):
AZT was developed in nineteen sixty four as an anti
cancer drug, but in experiments a year ago, it prolonged
the lives of certain AIDS patients, those who had the
weakest immune systems and those who had pneumocistus pneumonia, a common,
often fatal infection in AIDS patients.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
After a long stall, there was finally experimental drugs being tested,
but there was still no known cure, so there was
a need to educate one of the most high risk groups,
the sexually active youth. That's where Doug and Ellen found
their calling.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Other high risk group, in my opinion, that is not
publicized a lot, and that is the young adult and
the teenager who thinks that it's not going to happen
to them. The heterosexual who feels that this is a
gay disease.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
You know, it's just not true anymore.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Doug and Ellen became pioneers in their area on educating
the public youth, but there was a hesitance by the
Reagan administration for the government to get involved in public
school sex education.
Speaker 23 (18:31):
The federal rule must be to give educators accurate information
about the disease. Now, how that information is used must
be up to schools and parents, not government.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And that thought trickled into local communities. The public schools
that Doug and Ellen spoke at tried to restrict them
from talking about certain areas of sex education.
Speaker 12 (18:50):
I was on a speaker's bureau for Dag County Public Schools,
and there were rules that we weren't allowed to talk
about and use the word rubber well. I never paid
an attention to that rule.
Speaker 24 (19:01):
It's important that you know what kind of illness it
is and how it is and is not transmitted.
Speaker 12 (19:08):
To get up in front of you and to say
we live our life as we have always lived it,
with two exceptions.
Speaker 24 (19:14):
We have chosen to eliminate certain sexual practices from our
love making. One of them is intercourse and the other
is deep kissing.
Speaker 12 (19:24):
There was no way I was going to give into
that rule. I didn't work for them. I was a
volunteer coming in and speaking and educating kids, and I
was on a mission to make sure that people understood
that not talking about these things is the worst thing
you can do.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Doug and Ellen opened up to anyone and everyone that
would listen. It was cathartic for them to let it
all out and not hide, not be ashamed. There was
nothing to be ashamed about, and they wanted to get
the message across to whoever would listen. They felt their
impact immediately.
Speaker 12 (19:57):
There were people and audiences who were so closeted and
so fearful. The child would come up. Literally, there were
some young kids that would come take on you know
that they wanted to tell me that, you know, my
brother or my mom or something has ages. And I've
never told anybody. Imagine being so closeted and so fearful
of the community and of people's harsh judgments.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Like many creative people, experiencing pain, Ellen turned to art
as an outlet. She wrote a poem for Doug and
the words just flowed out of her. She presented the
poem to Doug and he would play a game with it,
calling everyone they knew and seeing if he could make
them cry by reciting it. The poem was about Ellen
meeting Doug in another place after his passing. She recited
(20:40):
it often at their speaking engagements.
Speaker 22 (20:43):
In solitude, I closed my eyes. My dreams helped me
to see the joyful and the happy way that our
life used to be. One thing that we have learned
for sure of this, I'm truly glad to live each
day as if it was the only one we had.
If I must live without you and our life together, unsure,
(21:05):
we'll find another place in time where we will meete
once more.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Ellen and Doug were making a difference, and it would
prepare them for what happened next.
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Speaker 2 (22:45):
Welcome back to red pilled America. Doug's brother, Scott would
eventually succumb to AIDS. The day after burying him, Doug
and Ellen were in court. After a long debate, Doug
and his brother decided to sue the blood company for
their screening practices that led to them selling the brother's
AIDS infected blood, so Doug was following through on their decision.
Speaker 12 (23:10):
It was a horrible experience, so it was devastating to
Doug when his brother died and then to have to
go to court the next day and be interrogated. Of course,
we lost because they couldn't prove causation. I remember the
clerk reading the verdict in tears. This person was crying
because it was just such an emotional experience for everyone,
(23:32):
not only those of us involved, but people who were
observing there and sitting in the gallery. It was just amazing.
I never would want to go through that again.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Doug was consistently sick from the time he was diagnosed
all the way through the trial, but he was still
able to speak about his illness to audiences to warn
of the dangers. He along with Ellen, were able to
dispel the widespread misinformation about the disease, but within about
six months of his brother's death, the disease began to
(24:02):
overtake him.
Speaker 12 (24:03):
It soon turned from normal to Doug being in bed
a lot. He couldn't he couldn't. Sorry getting a little
emotional here.
Speaker 11 (24:18):
It was an amazing.
Speaker 12 (24:22):
Experience and it was a sad experience.
Speaker 22 (24:24):
It was.
Speaker 11 (24:26):
Watching someone deteriorate. He was six feet tall, he was
probably two hundred pounds, and he had what they call
wasting syndrome where he couldn't I guess he couldn't process
his food intake, and he ended up looking like he
just walked out of Auschwitz concentration camp. It was like
(24:50):
I describe him as skin over bones. And it was
just the saddest thing to see someone deteriorate like that
and so fast.
Speaker 12 (25:00):
And he was incredible. He was bedridden at the point
he was probably not more than gosh if he was
eighty pounds after being two hundred pounds in robust in
his healthy days. And we still slept together in the
same bed, and I woke up in the middle of
(25:22):
the night my sister in law, who had already lost
her husband, who was Doug's brother. She was there with
me caring for Doug, and I woke up and found
him dead, lying back next to me in the middle
of the night.
Speaker 17 (25:47):
A South Florida man whose courage in the face of
death won him the admiration of many people, was buried
today thirty six year old Doug Siegel, hemophiliac, who contracted
aid's doed.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Doug's greatest fear was that his three young kids would
not remember him when he passed.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Because they're so young now, there stands a very good
chance of them not even remembering who I am without
being shown by means of videotape or pictures. I think
what I'm trying to do now is build memories, because
that's where I'll live on, and memories in people's mind,
in my children's mind. Ellen and I have always said
(26:38):
to each other that we're going to meet in a
different life, and I hope that I am someplace where
I can watch over them.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Doug wrote his three young children a letter a year
before he died from AIDS.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
The letter read, Brett, Todd, and Margot, this is real
hard for me, my babies. You three of the reasons
I hung on the foundations of my will to live
and the saddest part of knowing that I was going
to die.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Margo, I see you, I see you.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
I'm gonna go higher.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Margot. You used to say when you were almost two,
watch me, Daddy, and then you do something silly. I'd
watch you over and over again. I wish I could
watch you now.
Speaker 10 (27:30):
God, Daddy, Dad, you doing.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Pete and repeat your brothers. You really can't imagine how
wonderful that is. If you overlook any differences you might
eventually have, your brother will be the one person in
your life that will always be there for you. Don't
ever let that change. It's so important my children grow up,
change the world. Your success is measured by your integrity.
(28:01):
Be there for your friends each other. And if you're
old enough now, remember that I your father, loved you,
needed you, and was so very proud to have you
in my life for as long as I did. I
love you, Brett, I love you, Toddy, I love you,
Margo Doug Segel. After Doug's passing, Ellen continued her AIDS activism,
(28:34):
speaking to high risk groups about the deadly disease. She
also turned to a passion from her youth music and
began writing songs and in nineteen ninety five, her band
at the time, Legacy, published an album dedicated to her
late husband and his brother Scott. She adapted her touching
poem to Doug for one of the tracks.
Speaker 22 (28:53):
To live each day as if it was the only
one we had. If I must live without, I must live.
Speaker 16 (29:08):
Sh way well.
Speaker 13 (29:14):
All the play.
Speaker 20 (29:17):
Mtime Wowy.
Speaker 22 (29:30):
Was.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Over the years, Ellen would continue writing music, many of
the songs tackling important social issues, with one of her
songs becoming the theme song for the National Coalition Against
Domestic Violence, and she got heavily involved in the local
music scene, converting her house several times a year into
a concert venue called Shack in the Back that raised
money for various charities. Her kids, Brett, Todd and Margo,
(30:08):
also picked up her creative gene. Ellen also met a
man and he'd eventually become her living boyfriend. Being immersed
in both the arts and AIDS activism community throughout her
entire adult life, it isn't hard to guess that Ellen
considered herself a lifelong democrat. In fact, her entire social circle,
including her friends, family, and music fans, are all liberals,
(30:30):
but her sons Brett and Todd acquired a different worldview.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
My brother and I we were both pretty good conservatives.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
That's Ellen's son, Brett Siegel. The two brothers had been
making waves in their family with their conservative views and
it started causing trouble for Ellen and the family, and
she expressed it to Brett.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Her immediate reaction was, Brett, you're kicking the beehive. You
are just being antagonistic to the family. When the other
side of the family basically banned me from the family reunion,
she started seeing a little bit of what goes on
behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
That move opened Ellen's eyes a bit to some of
the entire lance on her side of the aisle. But
it was the election of Donald Trump that brought it
into full view.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And then Donald Trump got elected and everybody that she
knew the just went absolutely deranged. They started posting apocalyptic stuff,
things that were like, Oh, it's going to be the
end of the world. It's going to be the end
of the economy. The economy is going to tank. He's gonna,
like what Joe Biden said, He's gonna put y'all back
in chains. So you know, it's really not difficult to
see when you look outside that Okay, there's really no
(31:28):
holocaust going on. You know, you go out into the
world and you actually see that people aren't being accosted
on a daily basis.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Ellen raised her kids right, so she knew they wouldn't
be supporting the man portrayed by her social circle.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
She started listening to my point of view. She started
understanding that it's no my son hasn't turned into a racist.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
So her sons began talking with Ellen Moore about their
conservative beliefs and why they supported the president. And Ellen
began warming too, if not Trump her son's views, and.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Then she started opening her eyes to what it was
that was going on. And she's still didn't like Trump.
She didn't really like him at all. She said, oh, well,
maybe he's maybe he's not that bad, but I just
don't like the way he talked.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
But then something happened.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
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Speaker 14 (32:37):
We also believe that patients with terminal conditions terminal illness
should have access to experimental treatment immediately that could potentially
save their lives. It's time for Congress to give these wonderful,
incredible Americans the right to try.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Donald Trump pushed for, then signed the Right to Try
bill into law.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
On signing the bill this afternoon, President Trump said Right
to Try will give dying patients hope where they had
none before. Right to Try enables terminally ill patients the
ability to take experimental drugs outside of clinical trials, when
they've exhausted all of their options.
Speaker 21 (33:21):
Some bills that don't have a good name, Okay, they
really do, but this is such a great name. For
the first day I heard it, It's so perfect Right
to Try and a lot of that trying is going
to be successful.
Speaker 23 (33:35):
I really believe that.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
You see. When Ellen's husband Doug was first diagnosed with
HIV in October nineteen eighty six, a drug act had
been developed over twenty years earlier. After some red tape
was removed, AZT entered the trial phase in nineteen eighty
seven to treat AIDS patients suffering from the very same
ailment that was afflicting Doug. Pneumocistic pneumonia.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
AZT was developed in nineteen sixty four as an anti
cancer drug, but in experiments a year ago it prolonged
the law of certain AIDS patients, those who had the
weakest immune systems and those who had pneumocistus pneumonia, a common,
often fatal infection, and AIDS patients.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
The drug is used to this day as part of
an overall treatment to drastically extend the lives of HIV patients.
When Ellen heard about the right to Try law, it
struck her.
Speaker 12 (34:22):
I became aware that President Trump had signed into law
the right to Try. I've never heard of such a thing,
and I found out a little more about it, and
I decided that I would post my story on Facebook
to my friends, and I told him how he died
(34:43):
lying next to me in bed.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
So she made a very impassioned post on Facebook in
which she basically said, I watched my husband die and
this law might have saved his life. I watched him die,
and the right to try might have given him some hope.
At the very least. It wasn't just. It would have
made it not a death sentence. Maybe, maybe, just maybe
(35:07):
it would have given us kids some extra time with
our father. Maybe it would have maybe a week, maybe
a month, maybe years.
Speaker 12 (35:14):
And you know, put it out there, the whole sordid,
sad situation. And basically my first sentence was I want
to applaud President Trump for signing a right to trial
into law. And you would have thought that I set
a bomb off somewhere.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
She got a taste of the vitriol, She got a
taste of the blind hatred, She got a taste of
the absolute derangement. She had people going on there saying
that if I were you, I would be ashamed to
be a mother. You know, things like that, Like her
friends of years were going on and saying, how could
you even say anything nice about him?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
This is a woman that had not only been through
a horrific ordeal, but her activism in the face of
it all helped relieve pain and educate a frantic public.
She no doubt saved the lives. And here she was
baring her soul again, giving very specific praise to the
President about a topic that few knew more about than her.
And she was a tact on a level that shocked her.
(36:12):
Not only did her social circle bombard with hate, but
her own boyfriend joined the mob.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Her boyfriend of twenty years, when he could have just
walked across the house and said, hey, what's going on
with you in this your warm feelings towards Trump, what's
going on with that? Instead, what he did was he
posted in public on Facebook a scathing, deriding, degrading diatribe
about all the fake news that has spread about Trump
(36:37):
and conservatives, and basically tossed her under the bus in
front of all of her fans, in front of all
of her friends, in front of all of her family,
while she was on her way to get a neurological exam.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Her boyfriend moved out in a matter of a few weeks.
Ellen had experienced Trump derangement syndrome, something so many have
faced over the past few years. The phrase Trump derangement syndrome,
or TDS for short, appears to have been coined by
a conservative writer named Esther Goldberg in August twenty fifteen. However,
the term was likely derived from the late psychiatrist and
(37:12):
political commentator Charles Krauthammer, when he cited Bush derangement syndrome
as the acute onset of paranoia and otherwise normal people
in reaction to the politics the presidency. Nay, the very
existence of George W. Bush Esther Goldberg's original reference to
teds may have been tongue in cheek, but since the
(37:32):
results of the twenty sixteen election, some suspect it might
be a serious mental condition.
Speaker 13 (37:38):
What people call Trump de arrangement syndrome may indeed be
some kind of mental condition which is shared by many people.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
That's doctor Robert Whitley, the principal investigator of the Social
Psychiatry Research and Interest Group at the Douglas Hospital Research Center.
He wrote a serious article about the potential of Trump
derangement syndrome being a real mental condition.
Speaker 13 (37:59):
In psychiatry, what we often do is we raise possibilities,
we raise awareness of istion, use for discussion, and so
my intention is really to start discussion. My dream is
to do a kind of research, start of your myth.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
What may explain the phenomenon of Trump derangement syndrome is
what psychologists refer to as cognitive dissonance. Again, doctor Robert Whitley.
Speaker 13 (38:18):
So, cognitive dissonance is a concept which is commonly used
in psychology whereby an individual or a group hold to
ideas simultaneously within their own mind, which are actually contradictory,
or which one could say, I'm mutually exclusive.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
In other words, cognitive dissonance is the tension that someone
experiences when they are presented with facts that completely contradict
their strongly held opinion. The first person to explain Trump
arrangement syndrome in terms of cognitive dissonance and flagged it
as a serious issue is the famed Dilbert artist Scott Adams.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
In all seriousness, this is a legitimate, fairly major mental
health issue.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
The way Scott Adams sees it, Trump's supporters were less
likely to experience into derangement after the twenty sixteen election because,
regardless of the results, the outcome would have made sense
in the mind of a Trump supporter either way. If
Trump would have lost, well, that's what the media and
the polls were telling everyone anyways, So there would have
been no mental conflict. If Trump won, as he did, well,
(39:19):
that's what a Trump supporter expected to happen. The results
would have explained a world that made sense to a
Trump supporter. However, the other half of the country had
a completely different reality about Trump. For nearly a year
and a half almost twenty four seven, the media was
painting Trump as the reincarnation of Hitler with no chance
of winning the election.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
But if you were on the side that knew he
couldn't win, there's no way you were living in the
country that this monster could possibly become our leader. And
then you woke up and he was. That's a classic
setup for cognitive dissonance, is where you have to rewrite
the script in your head to make sense of this
new information. And here's what people don't do because we're
(40:00):
all humans, so we rarely rea write the script in
their head to say, you know, the best way to
explain this is that I was an idiot.
Speaker 11 (40:08):
For two years.
Speaker 21 (40:09):
Right.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Nobody does that, right, and there's nothing wrong with that.
That's normal. I don't do it, You don't do it.
Nobody does that. So they have to come up with
a new script that explains their situation. And so I
think they've come up with My god, there are more
racists in the country than we knew. They voted this
guy in and he must have had help from Russia,
because there's no way this happens in a natural way,
(40:32):
because my world wouldn't make sense if he could get
elected just by having policies. People like couldn't happen.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
So when people are met with the cold hard facts
that refute their deeply felt opinions, they experience cognitive dissonance
and sometimes lash out or come up with wild ideas
to make sense of the world that now makes no
sense to them.
Speaker 13 (40:53):
But we do know that some people have difficulties resolving
cognitive dissonance, and like I said, that often results in
blaming other people or in coming to a false conclusions,
or to having a kind of mini conspiracy theory about
what's happening in life.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
What we have seen since the twenty sixteen election is
possibly the most massive case of cognitive dissonance that has
ever occurred in Western civilization. And that's not hyperbole. It's
what led to the reaction to Ellen's heartfelt post, a
post that simply cited something irrefutably good that Trump had done.
Here was a person, a truly special woman, an American
(41:29):
hero whose horrific personal tragedy gave her a unique perspective
on Trump's action. She shared that feeling with her community
and the power of her credibility on this issue contradicted
the strongly held belief of Ellen's social circle, so they
attacked her character to make sense of their world, which
(41:54):
leads us back to the question, is trumps arrangement syndrome
a real mental condition? I think Ellen's story shows us
the answer is yes. But we'll have to wait for
doctor Robert Whitley to find a research grant to give
us clear, data driven evidence. In the meantime, we're forced
to listen to this for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 8 (42:15):
Here are eighteen reasons Trump could be a Russian asset.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
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become a grandmother. Her son, Brett had his own son
and his name is Douglas Brett Siegel the Second, and
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