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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now that is funny. Chuck just told me he used
to have rainbow socks that had the toes in the socks. Man,
each individual toe.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
This little piggy was the big one. This little piggy
was a little nub. I don't know what we got.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Did all your toes fit correctly in those?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah? The socks, Yeah, as far as I remember they did.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Because you know what, if you were missing a toe.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Well, you better not buy the socks, because you walk
around depressed all day. You have an extra fatt Piggy
is gone. Somebody doesn't stole my dad.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
Were in the.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Middle, piggy, Piggy, you don't want that, no, because I
just started thinking, I'm like, man, what about those people?
They got to be depressed. But you could snip that
toe off and then sew it, you know, if you're
missing a toe in that spot, because you just don't
want to flap there, you know, if you don't have
a toe to fill it.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Some people appreciate a good flap, well.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Okay, but in this it's hard to argue with that logic.
I mean, people would miss a good flap.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Your logical logic is the best kind of logic there is.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
M he is.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Uh, he's hosted for the defense and he's six end
up GUTV and legal analyst Brad Coffle's joining us now. Brad,
tell me you didn't have any of those socks when
you were coming up, man, the ones.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
With the toes, not a chance. I always wondered who
got those.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I've seen you wear those in court two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, right, I was saying, I was saying this yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Have you ever seen the They're like, you put your
foot down in what is it looks like a sandal,
but there's already a foot with toes in it that
look better than say, yours would. And those are out
there where people like they have busted looking feet and
they'll put them down in that so it disguises what
(01:55):
otherwise would be just nasty looking feet. And it's just
funny the type of things that people come up with
and they sell. It actually sells. People buy this stuff.
And kind of to your point with those socks, you're like,
I've always wondered who bought those.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Yeah. As the older that we get, uh, the more
important it is that we keep our shirts on, we
keep our pants on, we keep socks on.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
During the break mark and I were talking and somebody
posted on their Facebook page it's a guy wearing those
nineteen eighty gym shorts and and he's got the football
socks with the actual team color stripes at the top,
and it says when the weatherman says, dress for the
mid eighties. That's what started our conversation about the facility socks.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
And all that kind of st Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
From something jovial like that, I'm now offended that my
socks are so funny.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Your feet would probably stay warmer too, like that your
toes and because they got each a little individual.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, it was nice, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
So, yeah, Brad, we were talking about this, what was
it yesterday, Chuck or even Monday? With regard to Kyle Snyder,
the Olympic gold medalist former Ohio state wrestler who was
arrested on May ninth in that prostitution sting, he allegedly
responded to an online ad for escort services, paid at
undercover officer one hundred and sixty dollars for a sex act.
(03:21):
I don't know which one it was.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
And did the officer actually defraud him then? I mean,
if you think.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
About it, I see I don't know, did something actually
take place.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Oh, but Brad's an attorney man. If she took one
hundred and sixty dollars in promise for something else and
he didn't get what he gave it one hundred sixty
dollars for, I'm thinking there's a fraud suit here. Why
not give it back?
Speaker 5 (03:39):
You sound like a lot of my clients and their mom.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You know what I said, though, Brad, when we were
having this discussion, I go, you know, as far as
all of this, why is this still illegal if it's
consenting adults. And I know it's a whole separate conversation,
and I don't know where you come down on it,
but I said to myself, it's not my cup of tea.
But at the same time, you got people where there's
no if there's no sex trafficking going on, there's nothing illegal,
(04:10):
why are the police wasting time on this? I'm sorry,
I just feel like and if it's an effort to
catch you know, you know, predators, and okay, great, but
I just don't understand why we're still doing this and
why they're even putting effort toward it at this point, unless,
of course, it was an attempt to catch traffickers or
or you know, a prostitute like you know, child, child,
(04:32):
what's the word I'm looking for?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Are we? I mean? Are we? Are we trying to
deter adults from engaging in consensual sexual activity and if
consent is secured the payment, it's still consensual, but it
is illegal near Ohio law, I agree with you. Knowing
(04:56):
what I know about the the amount of crime that
happens in the city of Columbus, it certainly seems like
there are fifty other types of offenses that we ought
to be focusing on. And if we are very interested
in breaking the horrible cycle of human trafficking and children
(05:18):
being exploited, then these ads that are being posted really
ought to be modified to attract men who think they're
going to a hotel to meet up with a minor.
That's not what this was. This was an ad, and
I'm pretty sure that the discovery of exactly what the
(05:43):
ad said is going to come out. But having dealt
with hundreds of these cases in my thirty years, it's
most likely going to be an ad for a service
for oral sex. The amount of money one hundred and
sixty bucks seem to be a little steep because of
(06:03):
these ads oral sex. But it's that. I think that's
what it is, and I read I read that in
one of the news clips, So I agree with you.
Does it make a lot of sense with limited resources
to be breaking up consensual sex between adults. Plenty of
(06:27):
people would listen to this comment right now and say, well,
how can that possibly be consensual? If she presumably a
female escort involved, they're doing it for money? I would say, well,
there's a lot of that going on in South Florida
and Palm Beach. When you see these men that are
(06:48):
eighty years old and they're taking these women half their
age out to dinner, like Bill Belichick, I'm sure that
is straight loves, and I'm sure that is nothing money, right, Really,
what's the difference?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
There is no DoD and so use zeroes for him.
He's paying a lot more one hundred and sixty dollars when.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
This first started.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
This is exactly what I was telling Mark, you know what,
we all pay for it, whether it's with dinner and
a show and some roses and a bottle of champagne
or a hand in a fifty out the window, we
all pay for it. This is a socially unacceptable told him.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I told him, I go, yeah, man, all, this doesn't
take the anxiety out of if you're at dinner, you're wondering, man,
you're paying for dinner, and exactly you're like, man, I
hope I get some And this just takes that out
of it and completely.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
It's always a transaction. It's you know, consent, It's always
a transaction. And this is the most efficient form of
the transaction. Uh, there's no promises made or broken. It's
here's the act, here's where to meet, here's the here's
the amount of money. He shows up, throws one hundred
(07:56):
and sixty bucks down on the bed, and in walks
uniform police. I was kind of wondering what the police
were thinking when they saw King Kong show up in there,
and I don't they didn't know who he was until
after the fact. But what if you knew that the
lure that you put down to catch somebody hauls in
(08:20):
Olympic gold medalist, three time National champion wrestler, Like, can
we just skip this one and move on to the
next guy?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Right, You're going, I hope he's not going to resist.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
And I'm still trying to think that, frankly, why somebody
with that kind of resume needed to respond to the
ad anyway, That's something only he knows, But I'm baffled
by that.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Yeah, yeah, there's he'll he'll part of the part of
the disposition on this case. I think that his case
will ultimately be dismissed. He'll do some counseling, he may
get some form of diversion or deferred prosecution agreement. Many times,
on these prostitution cases, you can send your client to
(09:01):
what's known as a John School to learn more about
how women that are engaged in and men and women
that are engaged in prostitution. They're doing it because they
have to. It's a form of exploitation, and in exchange
for doing that, the case gets dismissed and sealed. I
don't know if that's going to be made available to him.
I don't know if that program is still around. And
(09:25):
it's been a little while since the Defense Criminal Defense
Bar has seen an adult sting operation for prostitution. Normally
it's to catch a predator, to catch the miners, right,
to get the miners.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, I'm all.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
For that, host of for the defense. Brad Koffel's joining
us right now, Brad. The Dublin Police Department released the
body camera footage of Ohio State University's women's basketball women's
basketball coach Kevin mcguth rested on charges of operating a
vehicle while intoxicated. This happened just before eight pm May sixth,
so on and so forth. They responded to the Terra
(10:03):
Hill Drive area. Somebody later identified as him driving erradically,
hitting several curbs while driving, and Chuck and I talked
about it briefly earlier too, that video where he's sitting
there and it's like nobody's home and it took him
what two minutes to try to figure out how to
open the door, or maybe maybe he was stalling. I'm
not sure exactly what, but he looked completely zombified when
(10:25):
I was looking at and You're right, Chuck, it was.
It's really really sad. I can't find a BAC here
either the number, but I don't even know if he
blew or anything.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
But so, what are your what are your thoughts on this?
What do you know?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Yeah, I have I have no personal knowledge on this case.
He's not my client. Colleague of mine is representing him.
In Dublin Mayor's court. I I when I look, and
what I see is someone who is significately impaired by
(11:01):
alcohol and possibly something else normally when yeah, we don't
know how he is when he over drinks, but that
the way he was and just being totally spaced out
is more consistent with a substance other than alcohol. Generally,
(11:22):
you see, you know, you can see more signs of
sloppiness when they're drunk and unsteadiness, and he was that.
But the mental of they can see no one home
seems to be something else. I don't know what it
would have been. I don't believe that he I believe
(11:42):
he refused to breath test. I'm pretty sure there's no
blood or urine test. He probably should have had medics
if I was policed, and let's get the medics here,
let's see what's going on, and they possibly could have
transported him and then at Dublin Methodist, for instance, they
could have taken a blood draw right there. Yeah, yeah,
(12:03):
that didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I got to know this story, That's what I was
telling Mark. I. Look, this guy's been a prime coach
since twenty thirteen, so he's had twelve years to screw
up like this, What stories do you know? What have
you heard? What has he done? Something monumental might have
happened here. And if we're going to make excuses for
every inner city daddy left a mama hates some sisters
in jail. Guy who breaks into your house or steals
(12:25):
your key or shoots you on the street, this guy
deserves that benefit of the doubt too.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Let's get the story before we convict him.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
You know, when clients they'll say, do you think I'll
be able to keep my job? And I go, what
do you do? And they told me, well, I'm a
head coach at the high state women's basketball program. Like, oh, well,
that's a problem. And we're going to find out if
they were looking to move you on or not. Because
if they're looking to move you on, here you go, Yep,
this is a breach of O issues contract. They could
(12:58):
absolutely terminate him for cause he's out salary, he's out bonus,
no severance, no buyout. And here comes Katie Smith right
in the wings. That's if I'm his lawyer, which I'm not,
I'd say, well, I think we're going to find out
how how big of a coach. You are to roth
(13:20):
Byorke and and the board, and we may find ourselves
with a new women's basketball coach. And I could see
Katie Smith's lighting right in here.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, sixth stand up with you TV and legal analysts
Brad Kopfell, host of for the Defense, and Brad some
interesting information on both of these stories. Man, So cool
of you to offer to jump on today. Appreciate that
so much, and any time. Yeah, it's outstanding, of course,
every time. I love having you on. So as you know,
you're welcome anytime. But thanks for joining us, brother, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Thanks, guys.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
All right, we'll see you there. He is, all right, Yeah,
that's those are a couple of sad stories.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Marcus hit me on the messenger and said, like the
man said, Chuck, it's still illegal. But I know what
you're saying. Yeah, but the existence or non existence of
law doesn't necessarily mean everything to me. Look, until twenty seventeen,
beast reality was not illegal in the state of Ohio.
So just because the law exists or it does not exist,
doesn't mean there's not a way to go into court.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And fact, that's a great point, man,
Now that is funny. Chuck just told me he used
to have rainbow socks that had the toes in the socks. Man,
each individual toe.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
This little piggy was the big one. This little piggy
was a little nub. I don't know what we got.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Did all your toes fit correctly in those?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah? The socks, Yeah, as far as I remember they did.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Because you know what, if you were missing a toe.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Well, you better not buy the socks, because you walk
around depressed all day. You have an extra fatt Piggy
is gone. Somebody doesn't stole my dad.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
Were in the.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Middle, piggy, Piggy, you don't want that, no, because I
just started thinking, I'm like, man, what about those people?
They got to be depressed. But you could snip that
toe off and then sew it, you know, if you're
missing a toe in that spot, because you just don't
want to flap there, you know, if you don't have
a toe to fill it.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Some people appreciate a good flap, well.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Okay, but in this it's hard to argue with that logic.
I mean, people would miss a good flap.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Your logical logic is the best kind of logic there is.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
M he is.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Uh, he's hosted for the defense and he's six end
up GUTV and legal analyst Brad Coffle's joining us now. Brad,
tell me you didn't have any of those socks when
you were coming up, man, the ones.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
With the toes, not a chance. I always wondered who
got those.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I've seen you wear those in court two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, right, I was saying, I was saying this yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Have you ever seen the They're like, you put your
foot down in what is it looks like a sandal,
but there's already a foot with toes in it that
look better than say, yours would. And those are out
there where people like they have busted looking feet and
they'll put them down in that so it disguises what
(01:55):
otherwise would be just nasty looking feet. And it's just
funny the type of things that people come up with
and they sell. It actually sells. People buy this stuff.
And kind of to your point with those socks, you're like,
I've always wondered who bought those.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Yeah. As the older that we get, uh, the more
important it is that we keep our shirts on, we
keep our pants on, we keep socks on.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
During the break mark and I were talking and somebody
posted on their Facebook page it's a guy wearing those
nineteen eighty gym shorts and and he's got the football
socks with the actual team color stripes at the top,
and it says when the weatherman says, dress for the
mid eighties. That's what started our conversation about the facility socks.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
And all that kind of st Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
From something jovial like that, I'm now offended that my
socks are so funny.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Your feet would probably stay warmer too, like that your
toes and because they got each a little individual.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Yeah, it was nice, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
So, yeah, Brad, we were talking about this, what was
it yesterday, Chuck or even Monday? With regard to Kyle Snyder,
the Olympic gold medalist former Ohio state wrestler who was
arrested on May ninth in that prostitution sting, he allegedly
responded to an online ad for escort services, paid at
undercover officer one hundred and sixty dollars for a sex act.
(03:21):
I don't know which one it was.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
And did the officer actually defraud him then? I mean,
if you think.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
About it, I see I don't know, did something actually
take place.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Oh, but Brad's an attorney man. If she took one
hundred and sixty dollars in promise for something else and
he didn't get what he gave it one hundred sixty
dollars for, I'm thinking there's a fraud suit here. Why
not give it back?
Speaker 5 (03:39):
You sound like a lot of my clients and their mom.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
You know what I said, though, Brad, when we were
having this discussion, I go, you know, as far as
all of this, why is this still illegal if it's
consenting adults. And I know it's a whole separate conversation,
and I don't know where you come down on it,
but I said to myself, it's not my cup of tea.
But at the same time, you got people where there's
no if there's no sex trafficking going on, there's nothing illegal,
(04:10):
why are the police wasting time on this? I'm sorry,
I just feel like and if it's an effort to
catch you know, you know, predators, and okay, great, but
I just don't understand why we're still doing this and
why they're even putting effort toward it at this point, unless,
of course, it was an attempt to catch traffickers or
or you know, a prostitute like you know, child, child,
(04:32):
what's the word I'm looking for?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Are we? I mean? Are we? Are we trying to
deter adults from engaging in consensual sexual activity and if
consent is secured the payment, it's still consensual, but it
is illegal near Ohio law, I agree with you. Knowing
(04:56):
what I know about the the amount of crime that
happens in the city of Columbus, it certainly seems like
there are fifty other types of offenses that we ought
to be focusing on. And if we are very interested
in breaking the horrible cycle of human trafficking and children
(05:18):
being exploited, then these ads that are being posted really
ought to be modified to attract men who think they're
going to a hotel to meet up with a minor.
That's not what this was. This was an ad, and
I'm pretty sure that the discovery of exactly what the
(05:43):
ad said is going to come out. But having dealt
with hundreds of these cases in my thirty years, it's
most likely going to be an ad for a service
for oral sex. The amount of money one hundred and
sixty bucks seem to be a little steep because of
(06:03):
these ads oral sex. But it's that. I think that's
what it is, and I read I read that in
one of the news clips, So I agree with you.
Does it make a lot of sense with limited resources
to be breaking up consensual sex between adults. Plenty of
(06:27):
people would listen to this comment right now and say, well,
how can that possibly be consensual? If she presumably a
female escort involved, they're doing it for money? I would say, well,
there's a lot of that going on in South Florida
and Palm Beach. When you see these men that are
(06:48):
eighty years old and they're taking these women half their
age out to dinner, like Bill Belichick, I'm sure that
is straight loves, and I'm sure that is nothing money, right, Really,
what's the difference?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
There is no DoD and so use zeroes for him.
He's paying a lot more one hundred and sixty dollars when.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
This first started.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
This is exactly what I was telling Mark, you know what,
we all pay for it, whether it's with dinner and
a show and some roses and a bottle of champagne
or a hand in a fifty out the window, we
all pay for it. This is a socially unacceptable told him.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I told him, I go, yeah, man, all, this doesn't
take the anxiety out of if you're at dinner, you're wondering, man,
you're paying for dinner, and exactly you're like, man, I
hope I get some And this just takes that out
of it and completely.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
It's always a transaction. It's you know, consent, It's always
a transaction. And this is the most efficient form of
the transaction. Uh, there's no promises made or broken. It's
here's the act, here's where to meet, here's the here's
the amount of money. He shows up, throws one hundred
(07:56):
and sixty bucks down on the bed, and in walks
uniform police. I was kind of wondering what the police
were thinking when they saw King Kong show up in there,
and I don't they didn't know who he was until
after the fact. But what if you knew that the
lure that you put down to catch somebody hauls in
(08:20):
Olympic gold medalist, three time National champion wrestler, Like, can
we just skip this one and move on to the
next guy?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Right, You're going, I hope he's not going to resist.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
And I'm still trying to think that, frankly, why somebody
with that kind of resume needed to respond to the
ad anyway, That's something only he knows, But I'm baffled
by that.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Yeah, yeah, there's he'll he'll part of the part of
the disposition on this case. I think that his case
will ultimately be dismissed. He'll do some counseling, he may
get some form of diversion or deferred prosecution agreement. Many times,
on these prostitution cases, you can send your client to
(09:01):
what's known as a John School to learn more about
how women that are engaged in and men and women
that are engaged in prostitution. They're doing it because they
have to. It's a form of exploitation, and in exchange
for doing that, the case gets dismissed and sealed. I
don't know if that's going to be made available to him.
I don't know if that program is still around. And
(09:25):
it's been a little while since the Defense Criminal Defense
Bar has seen an adult sting operation for prostitution. Normally
it's to catch a predator, to catch the miners, right,
to get the miners.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, I'm all.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
For that, host of for the defense. Brad Koffel's joining
us right now, Brad. The Dublin Police Department released the
body camera footage of Ohio State University's women's basketball women's
basketball coach Kevin mcguth rested on charges of operating a
vehicle while intoxicated. This happened just before eight pm May sixth,
so on and so forth. They responded to the Terra
(10:03):
Hill Drive area. Somebody later identified as him driving erradically,
hitting several curbs while driving, and Chuck and I talked
about it briefly earlier too, that video where he's sitting
there and it's like nobody's home and it took him
what two minutes to try to figure out how to
open the door, or maybe maybe he was stalling. I'm
not sure exactly what, but he looked completely zombified when
(10:25):
I was looking at and You're right, Chuck, it was.
It's really really sad. I can't find a BAC here
either the number, but I don't even know if he
blew or anything.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
But so, what are your what are your thoughts on this?
What do you know?
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Yeah, I have I have no personal knowledge on this case.
He's not my client. Colleague of mine is representing him.
In Dublin Mayor's court. I I when I look, and
what I see is someone who is significately impaired by
(11:01):
alcohol and possibly something else normally when yeah, we don't
know how he is when he over drinks, but that
the way he was and just being totally spaced out
is more consistent with a substance other than alcohol. Generally,
(11:22):
you see, you know, you can see more signs of
sloppiness when they're drunk and unsteadiness, and he was that.
But the mental of they can see no one home
seems to be something else. I don't know what it
would have been. I don't believe that he I believe
(11:42):
he refused to breath test. I'm pretty sure there's no
blood or urine test. He probably should have had medics
if I was policed, and let's get the medics here,
let's see what's going on, and they possibly could have
transported him and then at Dublin Methodist, for instance, they
could have taken a blood draw right there. Yeah, yeah,
(12:03):
that didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I got to know this story, That's what I was
telling Mark. I. Look, this guy's been a prime coach
since twenty thirteen, so he's had twelve years to screw
up like this, What stories do you know? What have
you heard? What has he done? Something monumental might have
happened here. And if we're going to make excuses for
every inner city daddy left a mama hates some sisters
in jail. Guy who breaks into your house or steals
(12:25):
your key or shoots you on the street, this guy
deserves that benefit of the doubt too.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Let's get the story before we convict him.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
You know, when clients they'll say, do you think I'll
be able to keep my job? And I go, what
do you do? And they told me, well, I'm a
head coach at the high state women's basketball program. Like, oh, well,
that's a problem. And we're going to find out if
they were looking to move you on or not. Because
if they're looking to move you on, here you go, Yep,
this is a breach of O issues contract. They could
(12:58):
absolutely terminate him for cause he's out salary, he's out bonus,
no severance, no buyout. And here comes Katie Smith right
in the wings. That's if I'm his lawyer, which I'm not,
I'd say, well, I think we're going to find out
how how big of a coach. You are to roth
(13:20):
Byorke and and the board, and we may find ourselves
with a new women's basketball coach. And I could see
Katie Smith's lighting right in here.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, sixth stand up with you TV and legal analysts
Brad Kopfell, host of for the Defense, and Brad some
interesting information on both of these stories. Man, So cool
of you to offer to jump on today. Appreciate that
so much, and any time. Yeah, it's outstanding, of course,
every time. I love having you on. So as you know,
you're welcome anytime. But thanks for joining us, brother, appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Thanks, guys.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
All right, we'll see you there. He is, all right, Yeah,
that's those are a couple of sad stories.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Marcus hit me on the messenger and said, like the
man said, Chuck, it's still illegal. But I know what
you're saying. Yeah, but the existence or non existence of
law doesn't necessarily mean everything to me. Look, until twenty seventeen,
beast reality was not illegal in the state of Ohio.
So just because the law exists or it does not exist,
doesn't mean there's not a way to go into court.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And fact, that's a great point, man,
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