June 6, 2024 • 34 mins
Trisha Calvarese (D) and Greg Lopez (R) square off in a debate moderated by Dan Caplis for the special election on Tuesday, June 25 to serve out the remainder of the term for the retiring Rep. Ken Buck in Colorado's 4th Congressional District.
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This is Dan Caplis and welcome totoday's online podcast edition of The Dan Caplis
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so kind, and to subscribe,download and listen to the show every single
day on your favorite podcast platform.It's a dying art where people from opposing
parties are willing to get together inperson, have a debate, answer the
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tough questions and more importantly, thefollow up questions, even from their opponent,
because there just aren't that many peopleout there anymore, you know,
who have that kind of conviction andthat kind of confidence in their own abilities.
So all the credit in the worldto Tricia Calvareci, who's here today,
Democrat candidate for Congress and CD four. Welcome Tricia and Doug Greg Lopez,
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Greg and everybody who listens to theshow familiar with Greg very accomplished on
the conservative side, and he's thenominee from the GOP for this special election.
I won't suck up debate time bygetting into the special election versus general
election stuff. Stakes are high.You know, whoever wins this, yeah,
that person's going to be sitting ina very closely divided Congress. So
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again, thank you to both andto be here well, thank you.
And we left it to Tricia tomake the choice on who would go first,
because again, I have to tellyou how much I admire you coming
into this format because obviously this isa conservative radio show, right, but
you're not afraid to come in hereand debate, and I just I know
we're going to disagree on probably everymajor issue, right, but I respect
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the heck out of you for beingwilling to do that, and I think
it says lots of good things aboutyou. So so let's dive in.
Greg, you go first. Thefirst question up for people, and we
have a time clock that the candidatesknow about and will enforce gently. But
I'm going to ask each of youto open with just a little bit about
who you are, but why youwould be a better representative for CD four
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than your opponent, and then youropponent will reply to that. Okay,
Well, listen, Dan, it'sgreat to be here with you tonight,
you know, and I want tostart by really commending Tricia for stepping up
to the plate, you know,and wanting to serve the fourth congressional district.
You know, when you step upto the plate and run for office,
you become a target. And soyou know, a lot of us
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are familiar with that, and soI think it's it's good that she's doing
this. You know, we probablydiffer on a lot of policies, but
I'm glad to hear that, youknow, she's in agreement with me when
I talk about, you know,people over politics, I think we share
that same concern as it pertains tobe in an office, you know,
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and we mentioned that on June twentyfifth. This is a special election,
so the people of the CD fourare going to be looking for someone that
has knowledge, experience, and wisdomthat truly understands the complexities and the challenges
of the district. And so Ithink I because I've been traveling the state
for a number of years, Ihave connected with them. You know,
I'm a small business owner, I'ma veteran. You know, I'm a
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husband, I'm a Christian. Youknow, I'm a father, and so
all those things I think helped mebecome the best Congressman that we can have
here for the next six months.And so that's why I'm running. You
know, I think the district wantsto see secured borders. They want an
economy that works for them, notagainst them. And so you know,
I would just ask all the peoplein CD four to pay attention and vote
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for Greg Lopez. No, thankyou, Greg, thank you so much,
and I'm thrilled to be here.Thank you sincerely. This this is
what it's about. So, likeeveryone said, my name is Tricia Calvaries
and I'm from the district. Igrew up here. I grew up in
Sterling and in Douglas County in HighlandsRanch. Actually when it was a ranch,
there were wild horses. And Iwas most recently in Washington, d
C. Working for a Trump appointto help reshore American innovation, and then
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a family emergency brought me home.Both of my parents did have cancer and
thankfully I could come home and provideend of life care and they did pass
last fall, and thank you somuch. But I'm so great, well
I could be there. I'm steppingup to run because so many families like
mine are these Sandwich generations. Theyhave so many care obligations and it's so
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difficult people understand. I'm from thedistrict. My parents were both conservative,
they were Republican, and before hepassed my dad told me step up and
you serve the community that raised you. So that's what I'm doing. Well,
thank you for that. And Ireally and I'm sure listeners appreciate how
professional you are toward each other.So this next question isn't meant to change
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that. But why would you bebetter than your opponent for CD four,
Greg, Well, like I said, look, I've lived in Colorado thirty
six years. I've seen Colorado change. As you know, I ran for
governor and I had a great opportunityto work out or be out in the
Eastern Plains. I know the issuesof water, I know the issues of
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what's going on with the agricultural industry, and more importantly, I can relate
to them. You know, Idon't come from money. I come from
humble beginnings. You know, mymom and dad grew up working in the
fields. My dad had a sixgrade education, never really truly learn how
to read and write, and mymom has a tenth grade education. But
one of the things that they taughtus boys is that you know what,
you work hard, you surround yourselfwith good people. You know, you
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listen to your elders and learn fromthem, and you can achieve the American
dream. And right now the Americandream is vanishing. You know you just
heard some of the younger generation isreally concerned about can we actually do this?
And so I have the wisdom.I understand the complexities of legislation.
I understand the complexities of the totalityof the office, and I think that's
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what makes me a better candidate.And Tsia, why would you be better?
Well, I'm actually part of thatgeneration that, for the first time
in American history, has experienced thebackside life from our parents. Right where
the economy we were promised, whereif you work hard, you can rise
on your merit. That's not thereality right now. And I'm stepping up
to ron and I am the bestrepresentative for this district. There's no four
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year university or college in all ofCD four, So I'm fighting tooth and
nail for pathways into the middle classthat don't necessarily need a four year degree,
that are in the industries of thefuture. And I'm coming from the
United States National Science Foundation. Iunderstand what we're doing on AI, on
quantum, on these emerging industries,and I want to bring those investments here
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to our district. I understand thesetechnologies. I understand the stakes and again
I'm from that generation. Well,let's roll off of that into the energy
industry, obviously so important in NorthernColorado. Start with you this time,
Tritia. How do you view theenergy industry in Northern Colorado and what legislation,
if any, would you pursue thatpertains to that. I love this
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question, Thank you so much forasking it. There is a very big
difference between something like, let's say, a coal company and a coal community.
I'm thrilled to say I'm endorsed bythe United mind Workers of America because
I understand that there does need tobe a transition to renewable energy to clean
energy. Right it's going to beon the backs of working people and working
communities. Pipelines can carry many things. They can carry natural gas, which
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absolutely is part of the draw downstrategy. We need to make sure that
our pipelines are clean, that they'represerved, and they do need to be
replaced. There's lots of leaks happeningall over. There was, i think
recently in Northern Colorado, a hugeexplosion on a farm. But where we
need to make sure that there areworkforce protections in place before we talk about
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replacing energy of any kind, butwhat we're looking at right now, we
do need natural gas. It ispart of the drawdown strategy. You know.
I'm glad you asked a question becauseCD four is a very complex district,
right twenty one counties. You gotatoms, you got a rappa hole,
you got a larmer, you know, and there's a lot of people
that you will never be understanding AIand that type of higher education. You
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know, there's no shame in workingwith your hands. There's no shame in,
you know, being a labor anddoing the right thing. And when
it comes to energy. Look,I'm going to be there for six months,
so I know how to manage expectationsand I know how to manage,
you know, the things that arecoming. I for one, believe that
fossil fuels are important for our nation. If you look at how many products,
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by products come out of fossil fuels, you know, it's important for
people to fully understand what that allmeans. You know. Alternative energy.
I think it's something that we probablyshould look into, but we got to
be careful how quickly we rush toit. You know, one of the
things that I see in Texas andother areas that these solar panels sometimes they
don't generate the energy that people saythey should, but most people who truly
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rely on fossil fuel, well,and thank you to both of you for
being so concise and precise. Itreally helps. And I know we'll deep
dive some of these issues as wemove through this debate. When we come
back, we'll start with do wehave a crisis at the southern border and
what should be done about that?You're on the Dan Capitla Show and now
back to the Dan Tapless Show podcast. Yes strong, Ryan, I thought
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you were going to come back withProud to be an American, right,
because there's that feel to this debate. It's a throwback. It's two people
very smart and confident in their positionswho are willing to come in debate face
to face. Tricia Cavalese, whois the Democrat nominee for Congress in CD
four, Greg Lopez, and thishas to do with the special election coming
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up June twenty five. So we'renow on segment two and the question we'll
throw it out there and we'll startwith the Trisha Tricia, what should be
done with the Southern border. Doyou consider it a crisis and if so,
what should be done about the southernborder. Thank you so much for
that question. And I do wantto point out that there was a resolution
in Congress that they voted on justthe other day to call it a crisis.
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And Lauren Bobert, who's also runningfrom the seat in the primary for
the full term, she wasn't thereto vote for it to call it a
crisis. She also voted no ona bipartisan border bill because Donald Trump told
her to. So I'm happy towork with anybody to actually secure our border.
We need comprehensive immigration reform. Iwant to look at it from our
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values as Americans, right. Immigrantsare a key part of our economy.
They work in our fields, theywork in our meat packing plants. Part
of my own care team that tookcare of my parents, those were migrants
as well. We want pathways tocitizenship for the people who are here and
have contributed to our economy and toour society. And from a labor perspective,
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as long as there are people thatyou can exploit because of their documentation
status, it hurts every American worker. Now, the border is just part
of it. Here's the other thingI'm really worried about. In terms of
immigration. We're in a competition rightnow for STEM talent. It is urgent.
We want this to be the placethat STEM talent wants to be.
We're talking about the world's best andbrightest. And in fact, I was
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just talking to an Indian immigrant theother day about how difficult it is to
get those visas for highly skilled workers. We need to expedite that and we
need to remain a place that iswelcoming of the best and the brightest,
and that this is where they wantto be, correct, you know,
Dan, it's there is a crisis. I mean, anybody that's watching the
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national news will agree there's a crisis, you know. And the people that
are coming over right now, they'renot these high educated individuals. There are
pathways for those through work visas andso forth. You know. But what
I'm seeing and here's what I wantto do. And here's again, this
is a big dynamic contrast and differenceis I'm looking to reintroduce the red card
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Guess work program. I don't knowif you're familiar with that or not,
but it was it was submitted toCongress back in two thousand and six.
And this again deals with those individualsthat want to come to America to work,
but this is designed for them tobe here legally. And you know,
I don't have time to go inall the details, but it's how
do we solve problems, not justtalking generalities about concepts. These are strong,
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precise issues. For example, theother thing that I'm looking at is
we all know that the asylum seekerapplication process is broken. It's broken.
You know, there used to bea time where people were crossing the border
and they would run. Now theycross the border and wait to be apprehended.
Why because they're seeking asylum. Andone of the things that is challenging
at the border is can we reallyascertain if they're actually being fearful from their
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own country And a lot of thesepeople are jumping over countries. Right Mexico
is not doing anything to their people, and so we've got to look at
this. And so one of thethings that I'm working with the people in
Congress already because I'm not waiting forJune twenty fifth. I want to make
sure that we're there and we're goingto be impactful. One is to look
at what it makes sense to doan eighteenth month moreitorium on the asylum seekers
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application process until we fix it.But there's no doubt that we are currently
in a crisis in the border,and it's because people have lost sight of
what a nation needs to have,and that is a border. Let's do
it. A little follow up onthis, because you guys know better than
I do. You're out there doingthe hard work. This is one of
the very big things people are talkingabout all the time, right So a
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Tricia starting with you, do youthink that the border at this point should
simply be closed? And if not, what should that process for admission look
like? Absolutely, it needs tobe orderly. We have a border and
there needs to be a process.I agree that we should close the amnesty
loophole. There needs to be morejudges and they need to be able to
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hear folks quicker. I think Ilooking at the root cause of this.
Why are so many people from SouthAmerica right now at the border. And
I can't wait to you know,I'm looking forward to our next segment where
we talk about Ukraine. Because VladimirPutin has stopped exporting fertilizer, systematically starving
the people of South and Central America. So one thing that we can look
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at. Right, this is alittle bit broader than strictly at the border,
but let's solve the root cause ofthese problems. We are the most
productive district, one of the mostproductive districts in the country, and we
could be doing even more we have. So we have fabulous farmland. Let's
grow more food and export it.Let's work with our allies in the South.
We want we want strong economic developmentthere and here. We want we
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want people to be able to findopportunities and decent jobs and dignity and an
ability to support their families wherever theyare correct. Well, look, it's
clear that the border is no longera border. When you talk to the
agents down there, they're already tellingme, look, we're not even doing
what we're supposed to be doing.We're processors now. We no longer are
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protecting the border. You know,when I was running for governor and talking
to people, I would tell inAmerica's always had a border, It's always
had a wall. It was aninvisible wall. They used to respect that,
you know, now they don't respectour invisible wall. And I think
it's time that we put a barrier, a visible barrier to remind people that,
look, there is a process bywhich we welcome you, but we
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need you to be Americans. Weneed you to follow the rule of law.
It's not that we don't want you, we just want to make sure
that we do it correctly and untilwe have some strong voices, not this
you know, political back and forth. Well it's election year, let's do
it now. You know, thiscrisis has been going on for a while,
and so it's interesting to me thatas we get closer to an election
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cycle, all of a sudden,people are starting to say, well,
we need to find a solution.I think it's important that we again put
people over politics. Let's look atwhat's going on. Every state now is
a border state. You don't haveto be in Texas. My family grew
up in the Rio Grand Valley.I truly understand what's happening at the border.
And a quick follow up for bothof you, we have maybe a
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minute before the break, and thenin the next segment we will in fact
be talking about should the US fundUkraine, Should the US support Israel taking
RAFA? But real quick take onthis from you? Inflation? What could
be done through Congress to help reliefpeople of what you both agree, I
think is a real crisis right now. Absolutely, price gouging is a big
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piece of it. Right looking atour the conglomerates at the very top,
look at who's profiting off of it. Right, it's a it's a boon
for shareholders, but it's it's hurtingeveryday Americans. It's hurting the middle class.
So one price gouging. Two,undo the tax the tax Trump cuts
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right or the very big the cuts. And then I would also say we
need to be investing in local economieslike these local regional innovation hubs of bringing
it not because if you just throwmoney at it without creating the full ecosystem,
it's going to collapse. So there'salready investments coming online in quantum and
in climate for the US, forColorado specifically, quick take quik Yeah,
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I agree that. I'm so happyshe said we shouldn't throw money at this
right because that's what's happening right now. The federal government is throwing money at
all these so called issues because theybelieve money is going to solve them.
Dan when our national debt it's overthirty four trillion dollars that we really can't
afford. You know, you haveto ask yourself, why is America a
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government spending so much money? Andit's the money in the system that's causing
a lot of this inflation. Youknow, is there a price scouging?
Who knows? You know, Butdo we really want the government to interfere
with small business and the capitalism thatwe have. I don't think so.
Well. Thank you, Greg,and hey, if you just joined us,
thank you something rare live face toface to beate Tricia Cavalresi the Democrat
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versus Greg Lopez Republican special election CDfour. When we come back, should
the US fund Ukraine? Eight fivefive four zero five eight two five five.
Now, if you have questions thatyou want us to pose to these
fine folks, Tech Sdan d Anfive seven seven three nine Ryan, anything
you want to throw in before thebreak. I just like that we're moving
along here in the times just aboutequals. So we're going to try to
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get that back on track for thethird of four segments coming right up and
again text in any questions you mayhave. And we've invited the candidates to
Hey, there's some topic I'm notbringing up. They want to bring up
feel free to. I mean,we just appreciate the fact they're here and
we have the chance to have thisdebate. And even if you're not in
CD four, don't care about CDfour, and I think you should because
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control of Congress could depend on it. These issues I think pertain to all
of us. Everywhere you're on theDan Kapler Show, you're listening to the
Dan Kaplis Show podcast credit to TriciaCALVALRISI now, Trician, I've had it
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right every time except this one.They're right all the time, say Calvary,
see Calvale, except the correct wayto say your name is Calvary's correct.
Well, if you're Cavaret said,you're going to with a hand.
But they're both right, they're bothBut as a guy who's one hundred percent
Irish, I probably care Calvary's theCalvary's for you. That's the right,
excellent job should the DEM nominee inCD four and Greg Lopez the GOP nominee
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and the special election. And soeven if you don't care about CD four,
and I think you should, againbecause control of Congress may depend on
it. They're talking about the issuesthat mattered all of US no matter which
district we are in. So wecovered a lot of ground in the first
segments. Let's now dive into shouldthe US fund Ukraine? Greg your turn,
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please go first on that. Youknow, it's interesting the whole dynamics
about funding Ukraine and the war withRussia. And yet when you look at
it, it seems like we're fundingboth wars, right because we're buying fuel
from Russia and we're engaging with themand so forth. I'm here to tell
you that I believe for now weneed to have a stop on funding Ukraine.
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I think we need to reevaluate whatis it really a crisis for US?
And again, because we're thirty fourtrillion dollars in debt and people believe
that we America have of deep pocketsthat we should always be willing to just
write checks and so forth. I'mconcerned about that, you know. And
so I think, you know what, when people talk about, well,
what about fertilizer and so forth,Well, you know what, why can't
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we make that here in America?You know, why can't we provide that
as an industry? We've done itbefore. I just don't see why we
can't do it again. But Ireally am concerned as to how much we're
spending in these wars and for howlong there is no end in sight.
You know, I was reading todaythat Putin really doesn't have an outplan,
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you know, So what if hetakes the capital of Ukraine? Does he
draw a line? Does he changethe government? I think he's in a
real box and he doesn't know howto get out of it. As a
person of Slavic origin mine of youknow, I've got the Polish ancestry.
Putin must be stopped. I don'tknow what army, what NATO army in
Europe can stop Putin. And weknow that he's not going to stop in
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Ukraine. We know he'll go intopoland it'll draw in a NATO conflict.
And there is no army in Europeready to fight and defend itself against Vladimir
Putin. The Ukrainians have done anadmirable job, and as our allies,
we need to step up and givethem all of give them the arms.
That's good for our economy, right, we get to get rid of our
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old stock and we get to buildnew things. We get to innovate in
the process as well. So sendit, Send it today. Absolutely stand
by Ukraine, you know, toa head of that though, dan As
I hear it say, well,it's good for our economy because we're going
to rebuild our ammunition supply. Well, the only people that buy the ammunition
supply is the government, and thegovernment is going to take that money from
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the taxpayers, you know. Andagain we are thirty four twillion dollars in
debt, and so we have tobe very careful on what decisions we're making
with the next generation's money. Andjust give you an idea. Look today,
thirty four point seven trillion dollars.If every citizen was to write a
check, it would cost them onehundred and three thousand dollars to get rid
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of the debt. For the taxpayers, all the taxpayers, it would cost
two hundred and sixty seven thousand totake care of the debt. So we
cannot ignore the debt that we have. It's a nation, because it could
crush us in the future. Churchy, you honors absolutely. As part of
that generation, I want to livein a world where democracy is the global
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world order. I think that ifwe don't step up and support Ukraine,
I think that sounds a very strongmessage to China, and I certainly don't
want them to be emboldened for aland war in Taiwan. So as a
as a country that values democratic principles, we must step up and defend our
democratic allies, and that's what wehave to do in Ukraine. Absolutely,
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let me extend this discussion now toIsrael and Gazam. So at this point,
should Israel be allowed to take Rafa? I mean, assuming they do
so in the most humanitarian way possible, there still will be a lot of
casualties by the new nature of thiswar that Hamas started. But should Israel
be allowed to take Rafa? Let'sstart with you, Trisha on the I
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want to pause and just say,you know, having lost my parents recently,
just the thought of and this wasduring the you know, the taking
of the hostages. Just the thoughtof to have a family member be held
and to not be able to touchthem or talk to them or know if
they're okay. My heart breaks absolutelybreaks for those families. At the same
time, seeing the indiscriminate slaughter ofcivilians in Gaza is incredibly disturbing. It's
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and I think Biba Natanya, whois a strong man, so no I
do not think that we should supportBiba in Rafa. What do you think
the US policy should be at thispoint with regard to Israel and the warrant
Gaza. I think we need toapply the lazy rule, apply the conditions
that are already on the books,and make sure that they meet the standards.
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Correct, man, Let's not forgetwho started this whole conflict. It
wasn't Israel. Hamas was the onethat attacked Israel. And you know when
you talk about families and you talkabout the hostages that they took, the
people that they killed, you know, they invaded Israel at least attempted to,
you know, and so we haveto remember who started this crisis.
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And with what's going on right nowin Palestine, Hamas is using the general
public as shields. You know,they used the hospitals, that was proven,
and so they're basically going and tryingto use innocent people to protect themselves.
I think it's important for us tomake sure or Israel to make sure
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that that type of mindset does notexist, because if we allow it to
exist, then they're going to useall kinds of different tactics and more innocent
people are going to be killed.But you know, Israel's always telling them
you know what we're coming. Pleasecitizens, move out of the way,
please go somewhere else. They givethem a warning. Hey, guys,
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let me shift gears for a second. I note you hear the issue of
the abortion issue a lot on thecampaign. Should Roe v. Wade be
codified or should the issue be leftto the states. Who would like to
start in that, I'll throw outa jump ball. I think it needs
to be codified. I think itabsolutely should be codified. I think when
there are blanket what we could potentiallymove towards a blanket ban, women are
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going to die. I would liketo share a personal story. I mean,
the year before I was born,my mom needed to have an a
topic pregnancy removed. It saved herlife and it made mine possible the next
year. This was in rural Sterling. The thought of a national abortion ban
is terrifying to think of what isgoing to happen to women. What is
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already happening in the states where thereare bands in rural America, there is
a crisis of maternity care. Socodify wrote and yes, let's expand access
to reproductive care. Graig Well,I can tell you this. Look,
my record is clear. You know, I wear these little feet because I
protect life. I'm a strong supporterof life. You know, when you
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look at what's going on with thiswhole issue, you have to ask yourself,
are we really focusing on the rightissue, Because the termination of any
life by any means. I thinkwe need to reevaluate our moral compass as
a nation. And so you know, my little sister, you know,
we all have examples. My littlesister at the age of fifteen, got
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pregnant, you know, and thediscussion happened within the family that maybe should
get it, she should get anabortion because she was too young. But
the family finally realized, you knowwhat, we need to come together.
We need to come together as afamily and raise this child and support her.
And we did. There's so manynonprofits out there, there's so many
organizations that are wanting to help youngwomen that aren't sure if they want to
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have a child or not. Youknow, the foster care, the adoption,
there's so many options. Look,it's not easy to make a decision,
but we as a we must havea moral compass. And I think
that's really where I'm coming from.And when we come back. What we'll
do is will yes please? Chris. I would just say that I was
raised in a Catholic household. Myfamily made it very clear if I was
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ever pregnant, we would take careof the child and that would be our
decision. The point is that wasour decision. So as kind as you
seem, I don't want you tohave anything to do with the decisions that
I and my family make, butour care provider. I'm not looking to
make your decisions. I'm looking tohelp make decisions for those that can't speak
for themselves, well for other people. Right. I want to leave it
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to the woman and to her familyand her doctor, and I would like
to give it to the child.And I really wish we didn't have a
break here, but we too,so we'll come back. Well can take
this. You're on the Dan CaplaShow. And now back to the Dan
Kaplis Show podcast. A fantastic debatebetween Tricia Calvalry, she's the Democrat nominee
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for Congress in CD four, andGreg Lopez, the GOP nominee Greg in
Greg's case for the special election,We've covered a lot of ground, a
lot of issues quickly. You canpick that up off the pod. But
as you might guess from Ryan's choiceof music there, when we went to
break, we were talking about thelife issue and whether Roe v. Wade
should be codified, and Tricia veryadamantly and enthusiastically says yes, and Greg
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just as powerfully says no. Andthen they discuss that issue before we get
into kind of an extended closing.Is there anything more either of you wanted
to say on that issue, becauseI know you were going at it pretty
good, and when we went tothat hard break, well, you know,
I'll just sad. Look here inColorado, you know, the people
have spoken, and I believe thatthe Tenth Amendment, which is a constitution
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I'm a strong supporter of the Constitution, gives states that states right, you
know, for them to choose.But it's something that we even here in
Colorado, we need to reevaluate ourmoral compass anything you wanted to say,
CHRISA anymore in that I get alittle bit nervous when we're going to use
other amendments from the Constitution to interpretwhat a woman can and not can't and
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can't do right, because we sawthat with ivf Right, where we want
to make sure that IVF remains legal, it remains accessible, and so again
I just want to emphasize the focusreally should be on expanding access to care.
And you know, doctors also theytake out loans. It takes a
lot to be a doctor. Andjust talking to you know, the friends
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I have and folks who've worked veryhard for that degree, who they wanted
to practice in rural and underserved areasand they're they're so terrified of a potential
abortion ban where they're having to youknow, reconsider their choices of service.
And I don't think that's fair fordoctors well either. Yeah, and don't
feel I mean, if anybody hasanything to say, and you can say
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it in your closings as well.Obviously if I was part of this debate,
I have some things to say.I'm just the traffic cop here,
but appreciate both of you being here. So we've got got two minutes for
each of you for wide open closings, So have at it. Trisha your
column, whether you want to gofirst or last, sure thing, I'll
go first. So I just thankyou so much also for having me.
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This was this was great. Thankyou. Thank you Greg as well.
We are facing tremendous challenges. Andthis is also the era of AI.
And whichever country controlled this is Putinsaid this, whichever country controls AI,
controls the future. And I wantto make sure that the United States is
leading and that we lead with ourvalues. And that's why with my experience
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at the National Science Foundation working fora Trump appointee, I'm going to do
everything I can to bring investments intodistricts and plays that have been overlooked and
left behind so that people, ournext generation can get into stem careers and
pathways to make sure that we canout compete against China, that we can
lead the future, and that anybodywho wants one can find an excellent job
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and a path into the middle classthat doesn't necessarily need a four year degree.
And I also just want to makeit easier for people to be able
to take care of and spend timewith their families. Well, thank you
and thank you for thank you somuch. Greg. You know Dan the
city for special election, it's biggerthan the district, It's bigger than Colorado.
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This is truly about defending our foundingprinciples to protect the republic. We
don't want government to be interfering withour daily lives. You know, we
don't want them to take us intoa financial self destruction. And so I'm
here to tell you that the issuesthat we face today are not Republican issues.
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They're not demark issues, they're notunaffiliated issues. These are people issues.
And this is why I always putpeople over politics. We need to
fully understand that when you sit inthese positions, it's not about looking at
how the winds are blowing. It'sabout being a statesman. It's about having
strong moral character, someone that canbring coalitions together, someone that can look
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into the future and make sure thatCD four is truly being represented. I
have the knowledge, I have theexperience. I know how to lead with
a steady hand. The people ofCD four are looking for strong leadership.
They want someone with a strong voice, someone that can actually represent them in
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a manner by which they will feeltheir voices are being heard. And so
I would just encourage everyone in CDfour, you know, vote for Greg
Lopez either before early or on thetwenty fifth. But if you really want
to know more about me, youknow, go to my website Greg Lopez
dot com. You'll find a lotmore. And I say just just vote
for Greg Little Well, thank youand thank you for being here. Tricia,
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what's your website. It's Trisia forColorado dot Com. T Ri I
saj the number four Colorado dot com. And I have to tell you,
I think you both just represented tremendouslywell for your respective parties and I think
maybe some people feel better about politics, at least in the case of you
two. So just a great exampleof willingness to go head to head and
debate and the way you conducted it. And I'm sure and you've got two
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more coming up, so folks willget every opportunity to hear and see and
measure both of you. So verygrateful for that. Thank you, and
yes true and one of and ifyou go to Colorado for dot com.
Lauren Bobert, if you're listening,I'm happy to schedule a debate with you
anytime. Then hopefully we can doit on KHO. Well, I would
love to do it right here,love to do it right here. And
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Congressoman Bobert, at least the CongressomBobert. I no, does not duck
anybody anywhere, anytime. So bothof you are welcome, and you know
and obviously she's involved in Rome Prime. We don't know who's going to come
out of that primary yet, butif she is the winner of it,
we would love to host that.Looking forward to thank you, Thank you
and Ryan, thank you for yourgreat job. Kelly, you as well.
Hey, Tomorrow, big day inthe Trump trial. The Court's going
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to decide on some key jury instructions. I know it sounds boring, it
won't be. It may have alot to do with how that case ends
up. So we'll dive into thatmuch more tomorrow. Thank you for your
time today, Look forward tomorrow onThe Dan Kapla Show.
This is Dan Caplis and welcome totoday's online podcast edition of The Dan Caplis
Show. Please be sure to giveus a five star rating if you'd be
so kind, and to subscribe,download and listen to the show every single
day on your favorite podcast platform.It's a dying art where people from opposing
parties are willing to get together inperson, have a debate, answer the
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tough questions and more importantly, thefollow up questions, even from their opponent,
because there just aren't that many peopleout there anymore, you know,
who have that kind of conviction andthat kind of confidence in their own abilities.
So all the credit in the worldto Tricia Calvareci, who's here today,
Democrat candidate for Congress and CD four. Welcome Tricia and Doug Greg Lopez,
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Greg and everybody who listens to theshow familiar with Greg very accomplished on
the conservative side, and he's thenominee from the GOP for this special election.
I won't suck up debate time bygetting into the special election versus general
election stuff. Stakes are high.You know, whoever wins this, yeah,
that person's going to be sitting ina very closely divided Congress. So
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again, thank you to both andto be here well, thank you.
And we left it to Tricia tomake the choice on who would go first,
because again, I have to tellyou how much I admire you coming
into this format because obviously this isa conservative radio show, right, but
you're not afraid to come in hereand debate, and I just I know
we're going to disagree on probably everymajor issue, right, but I respect
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the heck out of you for beingwilling to do that, and I think
it says lots of good things aboutyou. So so let's dive in.
Greg, you go first. Thefirst question up for people, and we
have a time clock that the candidatesknow about and will enforce gently. But
I'm going to ask each of youto open with just a little bit about
who you are, but why youwould be a better representative for CD four
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than your opponent, and then youropponent will reply to that. Okay,
Well, listen, Dan, it'sgreat to be here with you tonight,
you know, and I want tostart by really commending Tricia for stepping up
to the plate, you know,and wanting to serve the fourth congressional district.
You know, when you step upto the plate and run for office,
you become a target. And soyou know, a lot of us
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are familiar with that, and soI think it's it's good that she's doing
this. You know, we probablydiffer on a lot of policies, but
I'm glad to hear that, youknow, she's in agreement with me when
I talk about, you know,people over politics, I think we share
that same concern as it pertains tobe in an office, you know,
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and we mentioned that on June twentyfifth. This is a special election,
so the people of the CD fourare going to be looking for someone that
has knowledge, experience, and wisdomthat truly understands the complexities and the challenges
of the district. And so Ithink I because I've been traveling the state
for a number of years, Ihave connected with them. You know,
I'm a small business owner, I'ma veteran. You know, I'm a
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husband, I'm a Christian. Youknow, I'm a father, and so
all those things I think helped mebecome the best Congressman that we can have
here for the next six months.And so that's why I'm running. You
know, I think the district wantsto see secured borders. They want an
economy that works for them, notagainst them. And so you know,
I would just ask all the peoplein CD four to pay attention and vote
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for Greg Lopez. No, thankyou, Greg, thank you so much,
and I'm thrilled to be here.Thank you sincerely. This this is
what it's about. So, likeeveryone said, my name is Tricia Calvaries
and I'm from the district. Igrew up here. I grew up in
Sterling and in Douglas County in HighlandsRanch. Actually when it was a ranch,
there were wild horses. And Iwas most recently in Washington, d
C. Working for a Trump appointto help reshore American innovation, and then
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a family emergency brought me home.Both of my parents did have cancer and
thankfully I could come home and provideend of life care and they did pass
last fall, and thank you somuch. But I'm so great, well
I could be there. I'm steppingup to run because so many families like
mine are these Sandwich generations. Theyhave so many care obligations and it's so
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difficult people understand. I'm from thedistrict. My parents were both conservative,
they were Republican, and before hepassed my dad told me step up and
you serve the community that raised you. So that's what I'm doing. Well,
thank you for that. And Ireally and I'm sure listeners appreciate how
professional you are toward each other.So this next question isn't meant to change
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that. But why would you bebetter than your opponent for CD four,
Greg, Well, like I said, look, I've lived in Colorado thirty
six years. I've seen Colorado change. As you know, I ran for
governor and I had a great opportunityto work out or be out in the
Eastern Plains. I know the issuesof water, I know the issues of
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what's going on with the agricultural industry, and more importantly, I can relate
to them. You know, Idon't come from money. I come from
humble beginnings. You know, mymom and dad grew up working in the
fields. My dad had a sixgrade education, never really truly learn how
to read and write, and mymom has a tenth grade education. But
one of the things that they taughtus boys is that you know what,
you work hard, you surround yourselfwith good people. You know, you
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listen to your elders and learn fromthem, and you can achieve the American
dream. And right now the Americandream is vanishing. You know you just
heard some of the younger generation isreally concerned about can we actually do this?
And so I have the wisdom.I understand the complexities of legislation.
I understand the complexities of the totalityof the office, and I think that's
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what makes me a better candidate.And Tsia, why would you be better?
Well, I'm actually part of thatgeneration that, for the first time
in American history, has experienced thebackside life from our parents. Right where
the economy we were promised, whereif you work hard, you can rise
on your merit. That's not thereality right now. And I'm stepping up
to ron and I am the bestrepresentative for this district. There's no four
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year university or college in all ofCD four, So I'm fighting tooth and
nail for pathways into the middle classthat don't necessarily need a four year degree,
that are in the industries of thefuture. And I'm coming from the
United States National Science Foundation. Iunderstand what we're doing on AI, on
quantum, on these emerging industries,and I want to bring those investments here
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to our district. I understand thesetechnologies. I understand the stakes and again
I'm from that generation. Well,let's roll off of that into the energy
industry, obviously so important in NorthernColorado. Start with you this time,
Tritia. How do you view theenergy industry in Northern Colorado and what legislation,
if any, would you pursue thatpertains to that. I love this
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question, Thank you so much forasking it. There is a very big
difference between something like, let's say, a coal company and a coal community.
I'm thrilled to say I'm endorsed bythe United mind Workers of America because
I understand that there does need tobe a transition to renewable energy to clean
energy. Right it's going to beon the backs of working people and working
communities. Pipelines can carry many things. They can carry natural gas, which
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absolutely is part of the draw downstrategy. We need to make sure that
our pipelines are clean, that they'represerved, and they do need to be
replaced. There's lots of leaks happeningall over. There was, i think
recently in Northern Colorado, a hugeexplosion on a farm. But where we
need to make sure that there areworkforce protections in place before we talk about
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replacing energy of any kind, butwhat we're looking at right now, we
do need natural gas. It ispart of the drawdown strategy. You know.
I'm glad you asked a question becauseCD four is a very complex district,
right twenty one counties. You gotatoms, you got a rappa hole,
you got a larmer, you know, and there's a lot of people
that you will never be understanding AIand that type of higher education. You
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know, there's no shame in workingwith your hands. There's no shame in,
you know, being a labor anddoing the right thing. And when
it comes to energy. Look,I'm going to be there for six months,
so I know how to manage expectationsand I know how to manage,
you know, the things that arecoming. I for one, believe that
fossil fuels are important for our nation. If you look at how many products,
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by products come out of fossil fuels, you know, it's important for
people to fully understand what that allmeans. You know. Alternative energy.
I think it's something that we probablyshould look into, but we got to
be careful how quickly we rush toit. You know, one of the
things that I see in Texas andother areas that these solar panels sometimes they
don't generate the energy that people saythey should, but most people who truly
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rely on fossil fuel, well,and thank you to both of you for
being so concise and precise. Itreally helps. And I know we'll deep
dive some of these issues as wemove through this debate. When we come
back, we'll start with do wehave a crisis at the southern border and
what should be done about that?You're on the Dan Capitla Show and now
back to the Dan Tapless Show podcast. Yes strong, Ryan, I thought
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you were going to come back withProud to be an American, right,
because there's that feel to this debate. It's a throwback. It's two people
very smart and confident in their positionswho are willing to come in debate face
to face. Tricia Cavalese, whois the Democrat nominee for Congress in CD
four, Greg Lopez, and thishas to do with the special election coming
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up June twenty five. So we'renow on segment two and the question we'll
throw it out there and we'll startwith the Trisha Tricia, what should be
done with the Southern border. Doyou consider it a crisis and if so,
what should be done about the southernborder. Thank you so much for
that question. And I do wantto point out that there was a resolution
in Congress that they voted on justthe other day to call it a crisis.
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And Lauren Bobert, who's also runningfrom the seat in the primary for
the full term, she wasn't thereto vote for it to call it a
crisis. She also voted no ona bipartisan border bill because Donald Trump told
her to. So I'm happy towork with anybody to actually secure our border.
We need comprehensive immigration reform. Iwant to look at it from our
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values as Americans, right. Immigrantsare a key part of our economy.
They work in our fields, theywork in our meat packing plants. Part
of my own care team that tookcare of my parents, those were migrants
as well. We want pathways tocitizenship for the people who are here and
have contributed to our economy and toour society. And from a labor perspective,
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as long as there are people thatyou can exploit because of their documentation
status, it hurts every American worker. Now, the border is just part
of it. Here's the other thingI'm really worried about. In terms of
immigration. We're in a competition rightnow for STEM talent. It is urgent.
We want this to be the placethat STEM talent wants to be.
We're talking about the world's best andbrightest. And in fact, I was
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just talking to an Indian immigrant theother day about how difficult it is to
get those visas for highly skilled workers. We need to expedite that and we
need to remain a place that iswelcoming of the best and the brightest,
and that this is where they wantto be, correct, you know,
Dan, it's there is a crisis. I mean, anybody that's watching the
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national news will agree there's a crisis, you know. And the people that
are coming over right now, they'renot these high educated individuals. There are
pathways for those through work visas andso forth. You know. But what
I'm seeing and here's what I wantto do. And here's again, this
is a big dynamic contrast and differenceis I'm looking to reintroduce the red card
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Guess work program. I don't knowif you're familiar with that or not,
but it was it was submitted toCongress back in two thousand and six.
And this again deals with those individualsthat want to come to America to work,
but this is designed for them tobe here legally. And you know,
I don't have time to go inall the details, but it's how
do we solve problems, not justtalking generalities about concepts. These are strong,
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precise issues. For example, theother thing that I'm looking at is
we all know that the asylum seekerapplication process is broken. It's broken.
You know, there used to bea time where people were crossing the border
and they would run. Now theycross the border and wait to be apprehended.
Why because they're seeking asylum. Andone of the things that is challenging
at the border is can we reallyascertain if they're actually being fearful from their
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own country And a lot of thesepeople are jumping over countries. Right Mexico
is not doing anything to their people, and so we've got to look at
this. And so one of thethings that I'm working with the people in
Congress already because I'm not waiting forJune twenty fifth. I want to make
sure that we're there and we're goingto be impactful. One is to look
at what it makes sense to doan eighteenth month moreitorium on the asylum seekers
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application process until we fix it.But there's no doubt that we are currently
in a crisis in the border,and it's because people have lost sight of
what a nation needs to have,and that is a border. Let's do
it. A little follow up onthis, because you guys know better than
I do. You're out there doingthe hard work. This is one of
the very big things people are talkingabout all the time, right So a
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Tricia starting with you, do youthink that the border at this point should
simply be closed? And if not, what should that process for admission look
like? Absolutely, it needs tobe orderly. We have a border and
there needs to be a process.I agree that we should close the amnesty
loophole. There needs to be morejudges and they need to be able to
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hear folks quicker. I think Ilooking at the root cause of this.
Why are so many people from SouthAmerica right now at the border. And
I can't wait to you know,I'm looking forward to our next segment where
we talk about Ukraine. Because VladimirPutin has stopped exporting fertilizer, systematically starving
the people of South and Central America. So one thing that we can look
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at. Right, this is alittle bit broader than strictly at the border,
but let's solve the root cause ofthese problems. We are the most
productive district, one of the mostproductive districts in the country, and we
could be doing even more we have. So we have fabulous farmland. Let's
grow more food and export it.Let's work with our allies in the South.
We want we want strong economic developmentthere and here. We want we
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want people to be able to findopportunities and decent jobs and dignity and an
ability to support their families wherever theyare correct. Well, look, it's
clear that the border is no longera border. When you talk to the
agents down there, they're already tellingme, look, we're not even doing
what we're supposed to be doing.We're processors now. We no longer are
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protecting the border. You know,when I was running for governor and talking
to people, I would tell inAmerica's always had a border, It's always
had a wall. It was aninvisible wall. They used to respect that,
you know, now they don't respectour invisible wall. And I think
it's time that we put a barrier, a visible barrier to remind people that,
look, there is a process bywhich we welcome you, but we
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need you to be Americans. Weneed you to follow the rule of law.
It's not that we don't want you, we just want to make sure
that we do it correctly and untilwe have some strong voices, not this
you know, political back and forth. Well it's election year, let's do
it now. You know, thiscrisis has been going on for a while,
and so it's interesting to me thatas we get closer to an election
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cycle, all of a sudden,people are starting to say, well,
we need to find a solution.I think it's important that we again put
people over politics. Let's look atwhat's going on. Every state now is
a border state. You don't haveto be in Texas. My family grew
up in the Rio Grand Valley.I truly understand what's happening at the border.
And a quick follow up for bothof you, we have maybe a
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minute before the break, and thenin the next segment we will in fact
be talking about should the US fundUkraine, Should the US support Israel taking
RAFA? But real quick take onthis from you? Inflation? What could
be done through Congress to help reliefpeople of what you both agree, I
think is a real crisis right now. Absolutely, price gouging is a big
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piece of it. Right looking atour the conglomerates at the very top,
look at who's profiting off of it. Right, it's a it's a boon
for shareholders, but it's it's hurtingeveryday Americans. It's hurting the middle class.
So one price gouging. Two,undo the tax the tax Trump cuts
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right or the very big the cuts. And then I would also say we
need to be investing in local economieslike these local regional innovation hubs of bringing
it not because if you just throwmoney at it without creating the full ecosystem,
it's going to collapse. So there'salready investments coming online in quantum and
in climate for the US, forColorado specifically, quick take quik Yeah,
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I agree that. I'm so happyshe said we shouldn't throw money at this
right because that's what's happening right now. The federal government is throwing money at
all these so called issues because theybelieve money is going to solve them.
Dan when our national debt it's overthirty four trillion dollars that we really can't
afford. You know, you haveto ask yourself, why is America a
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government spending so much money? Andit's the money in the system that's causing
a lot of this inflation. Youknow, is there a price scouging?
Who knows? You know, Butdo we really want the government to interfere
with small business and the capitalism thatwe have. I don't think so.
Well. Thank you, Greg,and hey, if you just joined us,
thank you something rare live face toface to beate Tricia Cavalresi the Democrat
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versus Greg Lopez Republican special election CDfour. When we come back, should
the US fund Ukraine? Eight fivefive four zero five eight two five five.
Now, if you have questions thatyou want us to pose to these
fine folks, Tech Sdan d Anfive seven seven three nine Ryan, anything
you want to throw in before thebreak. I just like that we're moving
along here in the times just aboutequals. So we're going to try to
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get that back on track for thethird of four segments coming right up and
again text in any questions you mayhave. And we've invited the candidates to
Hey, there's some topic I'm notbringing up. They want to bring up
feel free to. I mean,we just appreciate the fact they're here and
we have the chance to have thisdebate. And even if you're not in
CD four, don't care about CDfour, and I think you should because
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control of Congress could depend on it. These issues I think pertain to all
of us. Everywhere you're on theDan Kapler Show, you're listening to the
Dan Kaplis Show podcast credit to TriciaCALVALRISI now, Trician, I've had it
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right every time except this one.They're right all the time, say Calvary,
see Calvale, except the correct wayto say your name is Calvary's correct.
Well, if you're Cavaret said,you're going to with a hand.
But they're both right, they're bothBut as a guy who's one hundred percent
Irish, I probably care Calvary's theCalvary's for you. That's the right,
excellent job should the DEM nominee inCD four and Greg Lopez the GOP nominee
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and the special election. And soeven if you don't care about CD four,
and I think you should, againbecause control of Congress may depend on
it. They're talking about the issuesthat mattered all of US no matter which
district we are in. So wecovered a lot of ground in the first
segments. Let's now dive into shouldthe US fund Ukraine? Greg your turn,
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please go first on that. Youknow, it's interesting the whole dynamics
about funding Ukraine and the war withRussia. And yet when you look at
it, it seems like we're fundingboth wars, right because we're buying fuel
from Russia and we're engaging with themand so forth. I'm here to tell
you that I believe for now weneed to have a stop on funding Ukraine.
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I think we need to reevaluate whatis it really a crisis for US?
And again, because we're thirty fourtrillion dollars in debt and people believe
that we America have of deep pocketsthat we should always be willing to just
write checks and so forth. I'mconcerned about that, you know. And
so I think, you know what, when people talk about, well,
what about fertilizer and so forth,Well, you know what, why can't
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we make that here in America?You know, why can't we provide that
as an industry? We've done itbefore. I just don't see why we
can't do it again. But Ireally am concerned as to how much we're
spending in these wars and for howlong there is no end in sight.
You know, I was reading todaythat Putin really doesn't have an outplan,
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you know, So what if hetakes the capital of Ukraine? Does he
draw a line? Does he changethe government? I think he's in a
real box and he doesn't know howto get out of it. As a
person of Slavic origin mine of youknow, I've got the Polish ancestry.
Putin must be stopped. I don'tknow what army, what NATO army in
Europe can stop Putin. And weknow that he's not going to stop in
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Ukraine. We know he'll go intopoland it'll draw in a NATO conflict.
And there is no army in Europeready to fight and defend itself against Vladimir
Putin. The Ukrainians have done anadmirable job, and as our allies,
we need to step up and givethem all of give them the arms.
That's good for our economy, right, we get to get rid of our
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old stock and we get to buildnew things. We get to innovate in
the process as well. So sendit, Send it today. Absolutely stand
by Ukraine, you know, toa head of that though, dan As
I hear it say, well,it's good for our economy because we're going
to rebuild our ammunition supply. Well, the only people that buy the ammunition
supply is the government, and thegovernment is going to take that money from
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the taxpayers, you know. Andagain we are thirty four twillion dollars in
debt, and so we have tobe very careful on what decisions we're making
with the next generation's money. Andjust give you an idea. Look today,
thirty four point seven trillion dollars.If every citizen was to write a
check, it would cost them onehundred and three thousand dollars to get rid
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of the debt. For the taxpayers, all the taxpayers, it would cost
two hundred and sixty seven thousand totake care of the debt. So we
cannot ignore the debt that we have. It's a nation, because it could
crush us in the future. Churchy, you honors absolutely. As part of
that generation, I want to livein a world where democracy is the global
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world order. I think that ifwe don't step up and support Ukraine,
I think that sounds a very strongmessage to China, and I certainly don't
want them to be emboldened for aland war in Taiwan. So as a
as a country that values democratic principles, we must step up and defend our
democratic allies, and that's what wehave to do in Ukraine. Absolutely,
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let me extend this discussion now toIsrael and Gazam. So at this point,
should Israel be allowed to take Rafa? I mean, assuming they do
so in the most humanitarian way possible, there still will be a lot of
casualties by the new nature of thiswar that Hamas started. But should Israel
be allowed to take Rafa? Let'sstart with you, Trisha on the I
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want to pause and just say,you know, having lost my parents recently,
just the thought of and this wasduring the you know, the taking
of the hostages. Just the thoughtof to have a family member be held
and to not be able to touchthem or talk to them or know if
they're okay. My heart breaks absolutelybreaks for those families. At the same
time, seeing the indiscriminate slaughter ofcivilians in Gaza is incredibly disturbing. It's
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and I think Biba Natanya, whois a strong man, so no I
do not think that we should supportBiba in Rafa. What do you think
the US policy should be at thispoint with regard to Israel and the warrant
Gaza. I think we need toapply the lazy rule, apply the conditions
that are already on the books,and make sure that they meet the standards.
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Correct, man, Let's not forgetwho started this whole conflict. It
wasn't Israel. Hamas was the onethat attacked Israel. And you know when
you talk about families and you talkabout the hostages that they took, the
people that they killed, you know, they invaded Israel at least attempted to,
you know, and so we haveto remember who started this crisis.
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And with what's going on right nowin Palestine, Hamas is using the general
public as shields. You know,they used the hospitals, that was proven,
and so they're basically going and tryingto use innocent people to protect themselves.
I think it's important for us tomake sure or Israel to make sure
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that that type of mindset does notexist, because if we allow it to
exist, then they're going to useall kinds of different tactics and more innocent
people are going to be killed.But you know, Israel's always telling them
you know what we're coming. Pleasecitizens, move out of the way,
please go somewhere else. They givethem a warning. Hey, guys,
(25:07):
let me shift gears for a second. I note you hear the issue of
the abortion issue a lot on thecampaign. Should Roe v. Wade be
codified or should the issue be leftto the states. Who would like to
start in that, I'll throw outa jump ball. I think it needs
to be codified. I think itabsolutely should be codified. I think when
there are blanket what we could potentiallymove towards a blanket ban, women are
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going to die. I would liketo share a personal story. I mean,
the year before I was born,my mom needed to have an a
topic pregnancy removed. It saved herlife and it made mine possible the next
year. This was in rural Sterling. The thought of a national abortion ban
is terrifying to think of what isgoing to happen to women. What is
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already happening in the states where thereare bands in rural America, there is
a crisis of maternity care. Socodify wrote and yes, let's expand access
to reproductive care. Graig Well,I can tell you this. Look,
my record is clear. You know, I wear these little feet because I
protect life. I'm a strong supporterof life. You know, when you
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look at what's going on with thiswhole issue, you have to ask yourself,
are we really focusing on the rightissue, Because the termination of any
life by any means. I thinkwe need to reevaluate our moral compass as
a nation. And so you know, my little sister, you know,
we all have examples. My littlesister at the age of fifteen, got
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pregnant, you know, and thediscussion happened within the family that maybe should
get it, she should get anabortion because she was too young. But
the family finally realized, you knowwhat, we need to come together.
We need to come together as afamily and raise this child and support her.
And we did. There's so manynonprofits out there, there's so many
organizations that are wanting to help youngwomen that aren't sure if they want to
(27:06):
have a child or not. Youknow, the foster care, the adoption,
there's so many options. Look,it's not easy to make a decision,
but we as a we must havea moral compass. And I think
that's really where I'm coming from.And when we come back. What we'll
do is will yes please? Chris. I would just say that I was
raised in a Catholic household. Myfamily made it very clear if I was
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ever pregnant, we would take careof the child and that would be our
decision. The point is that wasour decision. So as kind as you
seem, I don't want you tohave anything to do with the decisions that
I and my family make, butour care provider. I'm not looking to
make your decisions. I'm looking tohelp make decisions for those that can't speak
for themselves, well for other people. Right. I want to leave it
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to the woman and to her familyand her doctor, and I would like
to give it to the child.And I really wish we didn't have a
break here, but we too,so we'll come back. Well can take
this. You're on the Dan CaplaShow. And now back to the Dan
Kaplis Show podcast. A fantastic debatebetween Tricia Calvalry, she's the Democrat nominee
(28:11):
for Congress in CD four, andGreg Lopez, the GOP nominee Greg in
Greg's case for the special election,We've covered a lot of ground, a
lot of issues quickly. You canpick that up off the pod. But
as you might guess from Ryan's choiceof music there, when we went to
break, we were talking about thelife issue and whether Roe v. Wade
should be codified, and Tricia veryadamantly and enthusiastically says yes, and Greg
(28:37):
just as powerfully says no. Andthen they discuss that issue before we get
into kind of an extended closing.Is there anything more either of you wanted
to say on that issue, becauseI know you were going at it pretty
good, and when we went tothat hard break, well, you know,
I'll just sad. Look here inColorado, you know, the people
have spoken, and I believe thatthe Tenth Amendment, which is a constitution
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I'm a strong supporter of the Constitution, gives states that states right, you
know, for them to choose.But it's something that we even here in
Colorado, we need to reevaluate ourmoral compass anything you wanted to say,
CHRISA anymore in that I get alittle bit nervous when we're going to use
other amendments from the Constitution to interpretwhat a woman can and not can't and
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can't do right, because we sawthat with ivf Right, where we want
to make sure that IVF remains legal, it remains accessible, and so again
I just want to emphasize the focusreally should be on expanding access to care.
And you know, doctors also theytake out loans. It takes a
lot to be a doctor. Andjust talking to you know, the friends
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I have and folks who've worked veryhard for that degree, who they wanted
to practice in rural and underserved areasand they're they're so terrified of a potential
abortion ban where they're having to youknow, reconsider their choices of service.
And I don't think that's fair fordoctors well either. Yeah, and don't
feel I mean, if anybody hasanything to say, and you can say
(30:03):
it in your closings as well.Obviously if I was part of this debate,
I have some things to say.I'm just the traffic cop here,
but appreciate both of you being here. So we've got got two minutes for
each of you for wide open closings, So have at it. Trisha your
column, whether you want to gofirst or last, sure thing, I'll
go first. So I just thankyou so much also for having me.
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This was this was great. Thankyou. Thank you Greg as well.
We are facing tremendous challenges. Andthis is also the era of AI.
And whichever country controlled this is Putinsaid this, whichever country controls AI,
controls the future. And I wantto make sure that the United States is
leading and that we lead with ourvalues. And that's why with my experience
(30:52):
at the National Science Foundation working fora Trump appointee, I'm going to do
everything I can to bring investments intodistricts and plays that have been overlooked and
left behind so that people, ournext generation can get into stem careers and
pathways to make sure that we canout compete against China, that we can
lead the future, and that anybodywho wants one can find an excellent job
(31:17):
and a path into the middle classthat doesn't necessarily need a four year degree.
And I also just want to makeit easier for people to be able
to take care of and spend timewith their families. Well, thank you
and thank you for thank you somuch. Greg. You know Dan the
city for special election, it's biggerthan the district, It's bigger than Colorado.
(31:37):
This is truly about defending our foundingprinciples to protect the republic. We
don't want government to be interfering withour daily lives. You know, we
don't want them to take us intoa financial self destruction. And so I'm
here to tell you that the issuesthat we face today are not Republican issues.
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They're not demark issues, they're notunaffiliated issues. These are people issues.
And this is why I always putpeople over politics. We need to
fully understand that when you sit inthese positions, it's not about looking at
how the winds are blowing. It'sabout being a statesman. It's about having
strong moral character, someone that canbring coalitions together, someone that can look
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into the future and make sure thatCD four is truly being represented. I
have the knowledge, I have theexperience. I know how to lead with
a steady hand. The people ofCD four are looking for strong leadership.
They want someone with a strong voice, someone that can actually represent them in
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a manner by which they will feeltheir voices are being heard. And so
I would just encourage everyone in CDfour, you know, vote for Greg
Lopez either before early or on thetwenty fifth. But if you really want
to know more about me, youknow, go to my website Greg Lopez
dot com. You'll find a lotmore. And I say just just vote
for Greg Little Well, thank youand thank you for being here. Tricia,
(33:05):
what's your website. It's Trisia forColorado dot Com. T Ri I
saj the number four Colorado dot com. And I have to tell you,
I think you both just represented tremendouslywell for your respective parties and I think
maybe some people feel better about politics, at least in the case of you
two. So just a great exampleof willingness to go head to head and
debate and the way you conducted it. And I'm sure and you've got two
(33:29):
more coming up, so folks willget every opportunity to hear and see and
measure both of you. So verygrateful for that. Thank you, and
yes true and one of and ifyou go to Colorado for dot com.
Lauren Bobert, if you're listening,I'm happy to schedule a debate with you
anytime. Then hopefully we can doit on KHO. Well, I would
love to do it right here,love to do it right here. And
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Congressoman Bobert, at least the CongressomBobert. I no, does not duck
anybody anywhere, anytime. So bothof you are welcome, and you know
and obviously she's involved in Rome Prime. We don't know who's going to come
out of that primary yet, butif she is the winner of it,
we would love to host that.Looking forward to thank you, Thank you
and Ryan, thank you for yourgreat job. Kelly, you as well.
Hey, Tomorrow, big day inthe Trump trial. The Court's going
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to decide on some key jury instructions. I know it sounds boring, it
won't be. It may have alot to do with how that case ends
up. So we'll dive into thatmuch more tomorrow. Thank you for your
time today, Look forward tomorrow onThe Dan Kapla Show.
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