Rockets Escape The Cavs, Door Ajar For Bregman and Pressly Next Out The Door?

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Two lifelong Houston sports guys named at him talking your
Teams series, Adam Clinton and Adam Wexler are the A
team A.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
You've been giving a ninth flyve Adam Clinton one on
nine one away Cavaliers have it, they.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Have no timeouts.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Here we go, ty Gerome on the sideline, Jay Shawan
Taylor guard of the bounds, bounce past left side, Mitchell side.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Pocket three is short. The put back no good as
well for Garland and the Lockets world, No baby.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
I mean for a mid to late January game had
a lot of playoff feel there, although I don't think
I've ever seen a playoff game in or any game frankly,
in like that, now like.

Speaker 6 (01:00):
That, you're seriously one minute in, We're not even a
minute in. You're kidding, right, not ind like that, You're kidding,
totally kidding, You're making this up?

Speaker 5 (01:09):
Is this like an obvious thing I should be remembering
from the last week.

Speaker 6 (01:12):
When the other team misses huge free throws late in
the game in the playoffs and you win because of it.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
That happens all the time. I'm not talking about Nick Anderson.
This is how come it's not Nick Anderson? Nick Anderson
missed consecutive sets of two free throws and never had a.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Rule it had to be identically.

Speaker 6 (01:29):
Idde, my god, this is like, they have no chance here,
a ninety percent free throw shooters going to the free
throw line. They totally screwed up here and they gave
up three free throws and the ball in that situation,
they gave up four free throws because they couldn't get
an offensive rebound. One guy missed all four. They got
missed to and they missed the shot.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
Leaving out like the most important aspect of what you're
trying to say here. The Rockets were trailing by three
in Orlando in that game, they were leading by two
in this game at home against.

Speaker 6 (02:00):
Were they leading by two after a nineteen ozer run
at the fort.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
You know how, because alprinching goons finally decided to clutch
up his two free throws.

Speaker 6 (02:08):
End of his last name became who he was. He
was a goon. He was a goon, and hey, hey.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Let me introduce you to somebody.

Speaker 6 (02:16):
Hey, Jarrett, this is my elbow and it's going to
go into your ribs, your back, your shoulder.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
But why but why is it going to do that?

Speaker 5 (02:23):
Because the other guy is assaulting you to a criminal
degree and the refs aren't gonna call it now. I
turned a Matt during a break and I said this, like,
as we were doing the handoff at the end of
the broadcast, that was a very good officiating crew last night.
And I said it with a purpose, because as much
as I dump on officials, both on and off the air,
and both in this studio and in that venue, because

(02:46):
I do it, I know I'm not supposed to. You
know that we used to have to sign something where
we wouldn't be overly critical of the officials. Do you
remember that when we had contracts. I'd love to hear
the name of that document. It was called the contract,
it was called the amendment to the agreement and the Yeah,
they hadn't and that's what that's the word I was
looking for.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
No, I said, look, this was a very good crew.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
And the biggest example of that, in my opinion, was
what you're talking about. There was a play where Shingoon
gets his shot up, it goes in and the play
has stopped to be reviewed so that they can determine
if there was a hostile act by Shngoon after he
made his basket when the fact that he even got
the shot up let alone made it was a minor

(03:29):
miracle because Jared Allen was assaulting him all night.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
I will reference say text sent by me to you
and the other person in our group text last night
at nine to sixteen pm. It got a haha from
one of you, and that was you, and it reads
as follows Jarrett Mahomes looking for a call on alpha
and toatoa. Yes, he flopped. He got pushed, but he
definitely flopped. He sold it, but he sold it to

(03:54):
where they looked at it. But they looked at it.
Here's the video. Here's what happened. Not a obviously not
a hostile act. Let's move on. Had the instances in
other games been opened for review and they might have
been changed another way.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Kudos to the Rockets. Kudos to Fred van Vliet.

Speaker 6 (04:13):
While he hated the basketball last night unless he was chevery,
but he did six turnovers Fred never done before as
a rocket by Fred van Vliet. But he hit seven threes,
two of them late, which got them back into the game.
They were rapidly seeing slip away from them. Because all
that happened was the Cavs said let's try his own
and the Rockets had no idea. The five that were

(04:35):
out there had no idea to how to combat it.
Got those two threes from Fred, got those two free
throws you mentioned from alprin I did spend a little
time listening to Donovan Mitchell a couple of minutes the
worth of his post game, and he was really really
good about Hey man, these games happen or those things happened.
You know, Garland doesn't miss free throws.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
He did.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
You know, what did I think when he went to
the free throw? I thought he'd make it. We'll be fine.
This is a good team where we'll see him again
on Saturday. This is this is what happens over the
course of the season. We're in a good place. You know,
we'll come back from this.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
We got in a.

Speaker 6 (05:08):
Groove, they got in a groove. You know, just kind
of things happen. It's not a huge deal. No skin
off our back. He was asked the last question that
was posted that I heard was about the foul that
sent Shangun to the free throw line with under five
seconds left, and he said, basically, what you're saying up
until that point, this is how they're calling the game,

(05:30):
So why did they call that foul? Like they let
these guys beat each other up all he said, Shangun
was playing tough all game.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Jared was playing tough all game.

Speaker 6 (05:38):
You know, he kind of navigated his way through the
common He said, how should I say this because of
what he was essentially saying is the way they called
the first forty seven minutes and fifty five seconds. Why
did they call Jared Allen for a foul there? He
did foul him. We all saw him foul him, and
you could also argue that Albertim might have fouled him too. Yeah,
but they made the call, and it sent Shangun to

(05:59):
the free throw on and those two free throws put
him in a what seemed like a very good position.
It only became a very good position after Darius Garland's
trip to the free throw on and Donovan Mitchell's late miss.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
To me, it felt like it was a make good
because they are reviewing it and they knew that there
was you know, egregious contact by Jared Allen, not only
in that instance but all night long that they hadn't
called because Shingun was I mean, Shingun complains that there's
a call that hasn't been called every single trip up
the floor. When he's not complaining that ima Udoka hasn't

(06:31):
reviewed the play whatever it may be, at any given time.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
He doesn't.

Speaker 6 (06:34):
How come we don't ask him after every game, how's
your wrist? Because it looked like you were shaking it
and spinning it in a helicopter motion like twenty five
times tonight. At least now, he committed quite a few,
in my opinion, offensive fouls throughout the night that weren't called,
because that's how these officials and we complain about it
a lot in Major League Baseball, and to me, it's
kind of different, even though it sounds the same. The

(06:56):
home plate doesn't change the height of the batter, does.
That's really the only should the only Oh no, this
umpire likes it.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
You shouldn't like to do this and like to do that.

Speaker 6 (07:04):
But how the game is being played in a in
a basketball game, you can usually adjust.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
You know, they're they're letting us play it. So this
is how we're gonna play.

Speaker 6 (07:12):
Really impressive performance from start to finish, even with the
lackluster fourth quarter, at least for the first ten minutes
or so or eight minutes or so enough to beat
a team like yourself not playing at full strength. Obviously
they can at Rockets continue to play without Jabari Smith Junior.
The Cavs were without a couple of rotation players and
a coorro Lavert and Evan Mobley. They actually have a

(07:35):
game the night before the Saturday game. They'll be in
Philadelphia and they'll fly into Cleveland after the Rockets already
get there Friday afternoon, and we'll see what happens this
next time around.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
But this is a it's.

Speaker 6 (07:48):
A really good team off to an incredible start. They've
lost very few games, and now you're one of the
teams that's beaten them, which falls right in line with
the Rockets in twenty twenty four, twenty five. If you're
a good team, the Rockets have played you, odds are
they've beaten you. The Celtics, who they will see on
this upcoming road trip, one of the few teams, it's
just one of the few teams that they've seen that's

(08:09):
really good. Yeah, that they haven't beaten you. It's gonna
be tough to do this twice in a row with
Cleveland as well. Let's not forget, but now You've beaten
them once. That's all I'm saying. You don't have to
sweep them.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Awesome.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
Just look over at the East. You know the Calves,
the Celtics, and the Knicks. They're one, two, three a
significant records, all but one has thirty already. You've beaten
the Knicks, You've beaten the Calves. You've only played the
Celtics once, was not competitive, but you did not beat them.
And then on the other side, you know the Thunder
you've beaten once in the three meetings. There are still
two more. You've won all the games against the Grizzlies, Nuggets, Lakers,

(08:40):
and Clippers, all of the games against the four teams
closest to you. Three against the Clippers and Grizzlies, a
game apiece against the Lakers. You're eight and oh against
the four teams closest to catching you and can't because
you keep beating them.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Well, the Mavericks are pro probably.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
Going to be battling with Golden State for the eleventh
spot soon unless some of their unhealthy players come back.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
Kyrie played and scored thirty six and they still lost
by one by one.

Speaker 6 (09:10):
Well, his shot at the buzzer down four to get
the MAVs plus three and a half a cover?

Speaker 3 (09:18):
What's something? It was a forty footer.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
It was like a safety in the back of the
end zone for an NFL game involving the Texans.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
They happen every day.

Speaker 6 (09:24):
Kings, Wolves, MAVs, Sons, Warriors, Spurs are the six teams
likeliest to be in those final four spots.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Who are the what's the Spurs record right now?

Speaker 6 (09:35):
They're three games under because they've lost three in a row.
Playing right now though, why because they're average?

Speaker 3 (09:43):
That's not what I've been told. Come on, let's do it.

Speaker 6 (09:46):
You want to argue, you want to act like that's
what's happening, but you're literally making it up because I'm
not making it up.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Nobody.

Speaker 6 (09:53):
You are what your record says you are, right, a
little below average.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
That's not made up. That's a fact. That's what he is.
But what now, so you're saying something totally different. Now
you're saying.

Speaker 6 (10:03):
It's not what I've been told. It's so much telling
you everybody Spurs are good.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
Now they're telling me generational and so therefore the spurship
now better than this.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
When the new Titans, GM goes to his press conference,
with the number one pick in hand yesterday or earlier
this week, it says we're not going to pass on
a generational talent. Where is it unless you have the
number one pick in Wemby's draft. It really doesn't seem
like you should be saying that, Like Caleb Williams not
a generational talent. None of the five quarterbacks that all

(10:33):
look like they were hits in last year's first round,
except maybe the one who's still playing, Jaden Daniels, is
a generational talent. Except he's playing in the same generation
with Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, who are both better
than him, and they do the same things. And I'm
just saying he plays like they do. He runs the

(10:54):
ball well, he throws the ball well, both of them
do that. He's like them. He's not generational unless generation
is like three years. He's a modern NFL quarterback. Are
we gonna run out of generation letters? If we think
generations are this brief a time period, Like he's in
the same generation, it's quarterbacks currently playing. I think or
do we need like generation? He's a gen zz SQP.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
You can just start add it.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
Yeah, I was about to say you can just start
adding letters, because that's what everybody else does these days.
Just add another letter makes it more official.

Speaker 6 (11:22):
It is a lot for us now that we're back
in studio to have a chance to kind of break
it all down for you. The head coaching carousel spinning,
maybe resting on somebody in Dallas in not short order,
and a very surprising and sad name. We discussed it
yesterday in the five o'clock hour. The Texans moving through
their post playing part of their twenty twenty five season,

(11:45):
lasted a couple of games out of the postseason, Tamiko
Ryans clearly defining what it is his job here in
Houston as the Texans head coach, as explaining to the players,
we'll hear him tell you that. Get a little bit
more obviously on with the Rockets Cavs game was last
night and on into their game coming up this Saturday,
and gonna hear from Billy Wagner, who made his way

(12:06):
to New York. He'll be available again tomorrow, along with
the two other members of the twenty twenty five class.
But everything that he has said and done over these
ten years waiting to get in feels like worthy of
of us getting into and sharing with you along this
path towards six o'clock four hours with us two to
six each and every week to afternoon right here on
Sports Talk seven ninety the eighteen.

Speaker 7 (12:30):
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Speaker 5 (12:34):
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Speaker 1 (13:39):
Back to Adam Clinton at Adam Wexler The eighteen on
Sports Talk seven ninety eight.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
It is a Thursday edition of the Eighteams Talk seven
ninety wex and ac with you. As wex mentioned back
in studio, shout out to everybody over at the Post
To Hotel and the Bear Bryant Awards yesterday as we
did our show from over there. Special thanks to Hunter
Segesta back in town from his UFC duties to help

(14:18):
out with an amazing event. And I love the conversations
with the head coaches. I know it's a little bit
of a different format on that show that we did
yesterday than most of the days, but one by one
they came through and like you can see, the personalities
come across the air and I don't know, they all
made me want to run through a brick wall in
very different ways, and so we always enjoy doing that mentioned.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
I think, like for like a.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
Split second during yesterday's show that former Houston, Texan legend
Aaron Glenn wound up in New York. I did not
know that he like I knew he was going to
talk to the Saints, or it was at least in
the plans, and he just never got on the plane which.

Speaker 6 (14:58):
They're coaching church in person the second go round, the
in person second interviews. They were affected by weather, but
he was also expected to go to New York first,
and those type of second interviews where they say, well,
they need to not let him get out of the building, right. Technically,
they didn't have an agreement when he left the building,
but he was expected to likely have one before he

(15:20):
met with anybody else, which is exactly what happened.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
Like you know, and we've talked about this. We've actually
kind of gone back and forth about this before. You know,
guys in the media will write certain things and a
lot of times you'll be like, yeah, that's just somebody
saying that, you know, just putting a name out there.
It's not necessarily throwing something against the wall and seeing
of his sticks. But of course this team is interested

(15:44):
in this player or this coach. But to me, it
felt like every time I read anything about Aaron Glenn
and the New York Jets, it was almost like it
was a foregone conclusion. So it didn't surprise me that
that's how things went down in this particular scenario.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
In me either, I don't think it surprised anybody. I
think it was pretty much a given he would be
at one of those two places two of his former teams.
The Texans job was not available, but I think the
lean was always there, and that was his first team,
that was where he spent the chunk of his career,
that was the team that drafted him, And it just
made sense from what's it feels like he's indicated over

(16:23):
the years and in other conversations about the possibilities, and yeah,
this offseason kind of matched up. And then when his
team lost and it opened the door for a quicker
exit for three coaches on their staff who already have
new jobs. It also helped a great deal because if
they were one of the teams still playing, those in
person interviews get pushed back and you might see one

(16:45):
of the teams waiting go in a different direction. You know,
he goes into a tough situation. Any coach does that
doesn't believe in the current quarterback room, and if he
believes in it, then he's going to get fired. So
I don't believe he believes in what he has in
his quarterback room. So being a number seven in the
draft this year, there's probably two quarterbacks worth seeing if

(17:06):
they are your quarterback of the future, and maybe a
couple of others later on.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
But where they are.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
If for some reason, should or Sanders or cam Ward
was on the board, say after four or maybe all
the way to seven, if they feel okay waiting, then yeah,
I would absolutely pull the trigger. But I'm not going
to probably take the seventh pick in the draft and
anything I have in my future and mortgage it in
a trade to go up to get one of those

(17:32):
two quarterbacks, because watching what's happened with these recent number
one picks or sometimes very high picks, but specifically number
one picks, I don't want to give up a future
draft pick to get this guy for how valuable that
pick might be. Like this past draft, for instance, you
know Caleb Williams went one, Jadon Daniels two, you got

(17:54):
Drake May Pennox Junior and bo Nicks all top twelve picks. Well,
if you trade away that pick, well, you're trading away
the pick from a team who's gonna draft this franchise
quarterback and be terrible. So next year's first round pick
is going to be awesome. And how many more years
are the Jaguars with their number one pick. Trevor Lawrence

(18:18):
gonna be playing through another season and nearly earn the
number one pick. He's already done it once when they
drafted Trayvon Walker. They almost did it again this year.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
Isn't that the simplest way to say he's not a
franchise quarterback.

Speaker 6 (18:31):
He's had some injury issues in both of those seasons.
You might be able to argue one of those two seasons.
And then the Bryce Young situation, same thing. You know, Carolina,
You know, if you're you're making a move to trade
up to number one, which they did to draft Bryce Young,
you're giving up your number one pick in the future
to do it. And Bryce Young and the rest of
the Carolina Panthers delivered the Bears the number one one.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
It's interesting because he's at least shown he's got a
pulse at the tail end of this year, number two
for him. But a couple of things you mentioned that
made me think of, you know, the Texans obviously trading
up to get these quarterbacks for example, Like you know
the Titans are willing to listen, I would hope, So
you know the Texans did that, they just did it

(19:14):
with Will Anderson, not a quarterback. And it just seems
like that is for whatever reason, I don't know if
it it's almost like an insult to the position, but like,
why is it so much easier to diagnose, Hey, this
guy's probably going to be a really good effective pass
rusher in the NFL versus hey, this guy could probably
handle being an NFL quarterback. I understand it's way more

(19:35):
complicated a position and intelligence and all that kind of
stuff that goes into at the game planning. The preparation's
way different, but it just I mean, Will Anderson has
been a home run and then some and.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
If you're more physically runs, if you're more physically gifted
at defensive end, then the tackles case closed. Yeah. I
Don'm not asking you to throw your playbook away. I'm
not asking you to freelance on every play. I'm not
asked you to walk out of defensive meeting rooms, but
you probably can get things done. To quarterback, you could
probably still find your way. And there's players that have
kind of shown that that maybe don't have all the

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technique and don't have all the discipline and haven't been
that coachable.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
And they still my gosh, this guy's still so good.
What do we do?

Speaker 5 (20:15):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (20:15):
They maybe have other issues.

Speaker 6 (20:17):
But if you're if you're all those things but you're
the quarterback, well it doesn't work because a defensive like
Will Anderson could be let's call him the opposite of
what he is.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Let's say he's a miserable leader, miserable person.

Speaker 6 (20:29):
The opposite of the terminator. Uh, well, I guess a T.
What's what's Arnold at T one thousand?

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah? I think so, what's Bob Patrick? What was that?
Bob Patrick? I can't remember what his name was.

Speaker 6 (20:41):
Well, that's what the opposite of a terminator would be
to me, considering well, technically, at the end of the terminators,
well they're both terminated, they're dead, they're gone. So I
guess that would be the opposite the right, so all,
he doesn't need all those other intangibles. He doesn't have
to lead THEE have your quarterbacks, not the leader or

(21:02):
your football team. Man, you're you can win, but boy
is it hard to win with your quarterback. Like Jay
Cutler didn't seem like a great leader. There's other talented
quarterbacks that might and I probably for those who were
in the locker room with him, they might disagree. He
might have seemed aloof to us or a loof in
Matt shob how he dealt with Kristen Cavalary. But as
a quarterback, maybe he was a little bit different than football. Well,

(21:24):
Matt Schaub's deficiency was merely his ability to move a run.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
I'm talking about his effectiveness as a leader.

Speaker 6 (21:31):
Though there's nothing wrong with his leadership. I don't think
we viewed him as this. He's not a fiery leader.
He's not gonna lead by example. He's gonna lead because
he can play good football. And that's probably the top
of it. Again, his teammates would probably say, Hey, you guys,
don't weren't there. You guys don't know what you're talking to.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
This guy was perfectly good leader. But I'm talking look
at the difference.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
Though will Anderston could literally walk into the facility study
his playbook, get along with his teammates, and go home
and be great. And you know, it wouldn't be the
most awesome thing for the team, but he'd be a
super successful traded up for player. But when quarterbacks don't
do all those other things, and then the other part
of it is if they ever threw their playbook away
and just showed up, if they were the last ones

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there and the first ones to leave, there's no way
that they could handle what's being asked of them, to
handle all the checks, to handle all the offense, to
handle the entire playbook, to make sure the other ten
guys are doing what they're supposed to do, while they
also handle their own responsibilities. Know where you know, I
know where the blitz is coming from, this is my
hot receiver, I know where the progression, all those things,
and you have to do it in a split second.

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There's a huge, huge difference, and not knowing that on
draft day happens all the time. That's why mistakes are
made with quarterbacks all the time, because it becomes very,
very difficult even when you get to meet with them,
even when you know Brian Dabole gets to sit at
the white board and ask Jaden Daniels to diagram this play,
and because the Giants were our off season hard knocks team,

(22:52):
we got to see even more of that, which was phenomenal,
and you could see even then even day Ball saw it.
They just unfortunately had Daniel Jones in a position to
do that. I think he could see what kind of
quarterback he could be, and you just skip more from it.
But Texas trading up not only that, you know they
were in the same position I just described.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
They had a brand new quarterback, they had a brand
new coach.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
They were coming off three awful seasons, and they traded
away next year's number one pick to get Will Anderson,
and that was number twenty five. They traded away the
twenty fifth pick in the draft because they won their
division and then they won a playoff game, and then
they were the best drafted seed that lost in the
divisional round, just like they are this year. That's why

(23:34):
they're back at twenty five. The pick was Arizona's last year.
They ended up trading away number twenty three early in
the offseason two Minnesota, which sent them out of the
first round. So all they did was get a first
round talent in Kamari Lassiter, who we talked about yesterday
with his college coach, coach at Fran Brown, who's now
at Syracuse, was the defensive backs coach for Georgia for

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two seasons with Kamari Lassiter, Texas in an interesting spot
this year at twenty five. The Titans, the Colts and
the Jaguars and their respective first round picks.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
They kind of need to hit.

Speaker 6 (24:10):
Obviously, it'd be nice if the Texans also hit on
theirs much much later in the draft. All those three
teams will be off the board by thirteen barring a trade,
and they've got a long way to go to catch
the dynamite Houston Texans.

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Speaker 5 (25:56):
You are well aware of the reputation that Bill's mafia has.
We know what they're there for, right, being diehard Bills fans,
being absolute lunatics and throwing each other through tables at
tailgates and all sorts of stuff. But every now and again,
they they take their efforts to a hilarious level while

(26:19):
also benefiting a good cause. And that's exactly what happened here.
I saw this this morning. Adam Schefter tweeted this out
in an effort to support Ravens tight end, Mark Andrews,
you know, the guy who dropped the Surefire, would have
tied the game two point conversion at the very tail end,
thereby sending the Bills to the AFC Championship Game for

(26:40):
their latest rematch against the Chiefs. In an effort to
support Mark Andrews, Bill's Mafia has now donated close to
ninety five thousand dollars in counting to the Breakthrough T
one D organization, which works towards curing and improving the
lives of those dealing with type one diabetes like Andrews.

(27:03):
It's a GoFundMe and they're up to one hundred and
three thy five hundred and seven dollars.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
By the way, just because.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
I brought up the link just now, but the description
under this donation. As many of you know, the Ravens
tight End wasn't able to catch the game tying two
point conversion and upset Ravens fans. On top of that,
the tight end has been receiving death threats and nasty
comments after his performance. We want Bill's Mafia to donate

(27:32):
to Mark's charity for juvenile diabetes. Let's reach a goal
of at least five k that's awesome.

Speaker 10 (27:40):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Mark Andrews.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
And by the way, Mark Andrews has been how long
has he been in Baltimore forever.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
They drafted him.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
Yeah, I mean he's a lifer there. I get it.
It's horrible. You wanted to see your team go to
the AFC Championship game. You thought you had as good
a chance as any to beat the Chiefs if you
got there. But because Mark Andrews dropped that pas, he
was wide open. By the way, you don't get to
do that. Don't threaten the guy with his life over

(28:07):
a football game. So this is a cool outcome of that.
I guess, even if he still has to deal with
death threats.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Bill's mafia.

Speaker 6 (28:14):
Like you said, this is it's a little bit different
than some of the other donations they've requested and received before.
A couple of years back, the Ravens were also involved,
But this is the Bengals beating the Ravens, which pushed
the Bills into the postseason, and at that time they
had not been in the postseason for seventeen years, so

(28:36):
they were waiting for another result to push them there.
So Tyler Boyd and Andy Dalton's charities were assisted by
Bill's Mafia because they made it happen there, Boyd's Western
Pennsylvania Youth Athletic Association, and Andy and his wife Jordan.
The Andy and Jordan Dalton Foundation got a lot of donations.

(28:57):
Josh Allen, he's the Bills quarterback. He's gotten a lot
from Bill's MAFI over the years, but it was noted
that he was mourning loss of his grandmother during the season.
In twenty twenty seventeen dollars donations began coming in from
Bill's fans to the Children's hospital, and they topped a
million dollars raised in just a few short weeks. Lamar

(29:21):
Jackson has been the beneficiary through his foundation not this year,
but last year and a few other assorted groups. I
can read you the entry on NFL referees Okay de
December twenty twenty one game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
officials missed a few potential pass interference calls. It could
have swamp Well met him in the Bill's favor. Many
fans criticize those referees by calling them blind for missing

(29:44):
such calls. In response to the negativity, many Bill's fans
began donating seventeen dollars increments to represent Jaya Josh Allen
again to vision Impairment advancement. It's a nonprofitable organization that
supports vision lost.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
How many Chiefs fans have donated to the Houston Texans
Foundation after those gifts they got on Saturday afternoon?

Speaker 6 (30:03):
Yeah, there are new entries in the social media landscape
over the last I think twenty four hours that are
starting to recognize well their narrative of the Chiefs being
granted wishes by the officials since twenty eighteen, since twenty seventeen,
since Mahomes has been in this spot, since they've been

(30:26):
to the playoffs. During all these playoff runs, I think
I'm starting to learn based on some additional data produced
by those who are so inclined. The further back you go,
the lengthier the study you produce, helps push the narrative
that wrong. Every team benefits, They're no different. Look at
the total number of penalties, the total number of penalty

(30:46):
yards over the years, the roughing the passers, all these
many many many years, and you'll see they're no not
benefiting anymore based on those numbers. And then I come
across a well, since twenty twenty one numbers. Boy do
they look different in that every game has been in
their favor in terms of penalties, and I'll don't double
check that every game but one has been in their

(31:08):
favor except in terms of penalty yardage.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
It shouldn't make people think.

Speaker 6 (31:14):
Oh, my gosh, that's the only reason they're good, just
like the only reason the Texans lost is both are false.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
The Texans made.

Speaker 6 (31:24):
A lot of mistakes, most of which would have been
too much to overcome all by itself, maybe all by
itself in general, but we don't know because we feel
like those other calls were also a part of it.
The Chiefs are going to be good if they get
no calls. The Chiefs are going to be good if
they get calls going against them to the tenth degree,
because they're good.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Right, so they don't need help, is what we're saying.

Speaker 6 (31:43):
Well again, yeah, you could be saying, how about just
don't allow us?

Speaker 3 (31:48):
And I don't think we do it automatically.

Speaker 6 (31:50):
I think it really has to be a palette of
this over the years for us to really create this narrative,
to really believe in it, or they.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
If the Texans are good enough defensively to stop him
on a drive. Don't penalize them unnecessarily over bs. Right,
you're bringing.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
It to Houston, which we obviously should do, and we
wouldn't be talking about it in this way if it
was just Saturday, just this past Saturday.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
That's all we're talking, right, If that.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
Was the only game where they wouldn't have talked about
it the way they did in the locker room afterwards, either.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
Exactly or before or Joe Mixon noted as Williamson noted
that Joe Mix and Stuff is so ridiculous. By the way,
he makes twenty seven million bucks. What difference does it
make they Maybe he could would tell you, you know what,
maybe he.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
Could have taken that twenty five thousand dollars and donated
to juvenile diabetes.

Speaker 6 (32:42):
Maybe now he can't now that it's at the league's discretion.

Speaker 5 (32:45):
Well they should turn it around and donate it to
his charity.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (32:49):
Best of X is a platform for us to maybe
catch something in the comments section. The replies. They're always
very good. Some online beefing from any of our social
media sites. Anything along those lines are every once in
a while, just a fun, nice, put a smile on
your face story way to go people, Hey, humanity, you're
still there.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
We love you. Way to go, Bill's Mafia.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
Way to try to bring up the spirits of Mark
Andrews and the Foundation as you move on and they
go home.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 7 (33:25):
The eighteen on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
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Speaker 7 (33:34):
On Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
It's the eighteen Sportstock seven ninety. From time to time,
wex I sabotage the show with politics.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Don't worry, it's not what you think.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
But since it's a topic that comes up, particularly whenever
a Houston team plays a Dallas team, I did think
that it was interesting when I, uh had it brought
to my attention in the last few minutes that there's
been an order signed by a certain president to declassify,
declassify the JFK files.

Speaker 6 (34:13):
I mean he was sworn in on Monday, right, I think, so, yeah,
then it's the president. There's only one president.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Well, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
I had to think when you asked that question, it
was Monday, right, what day is it?

Speaker 3 (34:25):
I mean that's what the whole ceremony and all that
stuff was about, right, Yeah, But you know, ago came
back that, Yeah, all that's.

Speaker 6 (34:31):
They don't often get to say that, but they did
in this case, only one other time in history.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Welcome back.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
Yeah, I wonder how much that's going to actually Like,
you know, anytime you see something like that, you're like, oh, wow,
finally we're gonna get down to the bottom of this thing.
And I feel like it's going to be a massive disappointment.

Speaker 6 (34:49):
Uh, you gotta have to I'm at a complete and
total loss as I could be on all of these subjects.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Even the JFK assassination. You have to know a look
in the movie.

Speaker 6 (34:58):
Right as I got into my trying to make sure
everybody knows that we know that Donald Trump is actually
our current president, I lost track of what you were
even talking about.

Speaker 5 (35:05):
He's declassifying the JFK files, all the files, So I
was the whole time you got that start, I'm like,
the Astros didn't just play the Rangers.

Speaker 6 (35:14):
I know the Texans and Cowboys aren't playing the MAVs
and the Rockets haven't played in a while.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
What is he talking about?

Speaker 5 (35:18):
Well, you remember the time I was trolling the Rangers
during the ALCS.

Speaker 6 (35:22):
I understand the bit though, Well, who still don't. How
do you not understand because I haven't seen it before.
Like when the Astros play.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
Oh Baltimore and their fans haven't been seeing winning baseball
in a long time. They're like, who's this angle saying
every play relaxed?

Speaker 6 (35:41):
When the Astros play the Blue Jays and the American
League Championship Series this year, now that they have Anthony
Santander and they beat them in Game one and you
create a good morning video, their fans will be like,
I don't understand this.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
Who is this guy? What's he talking about? Why is
he using South Park and Justin Trudeau to make fun
of us? Haven't we been through enough?

Speaker 6 (35:59):
I mean, I know we're not part of your country,
but come on, give us a break.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
Why is he using Celine Dion and Brian Adams music?
So declassifying some files?

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, you know, you know what the official narrative is.
I mean, whatever it says in the files.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
I guess it was alone gunman and he was the
attempt on the current president's before he was President's life,
alone assassin?

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Right, which time the one time? Say that would be
the one time? Well, there was another attempt. He wished
where did that gun shot?

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Go.

Speaker 5 (36:33):
I didn't say that a shot, but they were set
up too ships semantics like the.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Time, that's pretty big semantics.

Speaker 6 (36:39):
Not if you no, I mean if you haven't not
to me so a guy, how many plot assassination plots are?

Speaker 5 (36:47):
Yeah, but within with how many of those were within
striking distance?

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Literally?

Speaker 5 (36:52):
However the strike was going to be you know, done
bullets or any sort of other weaponry. This guy was
set up for like twelve hours on a golf course
because the Secret Service was so stupid.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, good choice though. Location. Wow, it's not hard to
find him. So back to the topic at hand.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
What well, So, I just like, how much do you
think we're going to actually find out that we didn't
already know?

Speaker 6 (37:15):
It depends who you're talking about. Everything that comes up,
I'll find out for the first time. You will know
it all already, right, I don't listen. I know that
it's almost your bit. I don't think you're this naive. Uh,
what does left versus right mean? I don't believe that.
I don't believe you don't know. Well, I actually it's
funny you bring that up so I can sports it up.

(37:36):
When you're being introduced as a head coach when you're
at the podium, it's a huge room you're speaking in
front of, and you've just been introduced as whomever. Usually
they'll pass out Mike's and the person will say, I'm
Adam Clinton from Sports Talk seven ninety and they'll kind
of scan the room where are you, try to find
you so they can lock in on your words that
they can now both see and.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
See you and hear the words.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
So Ben Johnson was introduced yesterday, big throng of media
and current and former players, et cetera. And usually the
person asking the question would say, Hey, Ben, it's so
and so over to your right. He put his hands
up and looked at the hand that was on the
side the person said, like, he looked at his right
hand and then put them down and then looked in

(38:20):
that direction to make sure he had his directions right
his left from right. This super smart, super creative, NFL
offensive genius who came across to most people in Chicago
extremely well in his press conference, especially as compared to
the last head coach, was trying to make sure he

(38:40):
was going to look in the correct direction when it
was made to his attention, this person speaking to you
is on your right.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
Both of your children are obviously older. One of them's
in college when they were when I was now sixteen.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
That's oh happy? Wait when was his birthday? Snow day? Really? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (38:56):
I had no idea. You should have put that on
the video When he was making an angel.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
I actually wrote out happy birthday in the snow.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
You should have posted that too. I would have known
what everybody said him. Gosh, it's just some Wexler business.
Very disappointed in you this week. So my children are older, yeah,
had did either of them have an issue when they
were learning left from right?

Speaker 3 (39:20):
I'll just put it this way. We have two kids.

Speaker 6 (39:24):
Most of the time, Robin is shaking her head because
she's going he is just like you for both of
them to ry. Except he's exactly like her when it
comes to all the things I'm awful at.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
She's great. She's great.

Speaker 6 (39:45):
Samantha is clearly very much like her in almost every way,
except she's like me and just can't find directions, can't
figure out where we're going.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
She got that from me. Left, No, your other left,
your other Carson.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
See I never say your other left, I say no
left right.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
I just keep repeating.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
I tell him to hold his hands out in front
of him, and if we were on TV, I could
and just put your thumb and your your index finger
out which one makes an L.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
That's the left.

Speaker 6 (40:15):
See, this is like disney World in Land, all the
tricks or the or Land, oh portion of disney Land.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Oh is that how you remember that?

Speaker 6 (40:24):
I had no idea about any of these tricks. That's
why I could never figure them out. Finally taught them
to me. Disney World's in Florida and Disneyland's in California.
But I get it, La, Well, that's the things like
Akaheim right, what else? Yeah, I hadn't getten to home
a whole lot of thought to one of the things
that the new president is trying to do that in particular,

(40:44):
which you brought up. Paid very little attention to the
files from the sixties.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
I've been very busy, and it took me a while
to get back to nineteen sixty three.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah, I just I'm interested to see.

Speaker 6 (40:55):
I mean, among all the other things that are going
to fairly immediately be to be put in place and
wheels in motion that he's got in mind and his
staff in mind, this jumped out at you.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
There's lots going on man.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
Well, that and the fact that usually my boss, our boss,
is like, hey, don't talk about that.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Don't talk about JFK all the time when you're making
it all the time easy.

Speaker 6 (41:16):
We got a lot of shows every year. I wouldn't
call that on all the time topic. Again, it's not
a burn.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
It's a factual statement to say he left Houston alive
and he didn't make it out of Dallas that way.

Speaker 6 (41:28):
Cowboys one of the teams looking for a new head coach.
I'm sure we'll discuss that a little bit more as
we continue. There is a hot name, very hot name.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
Is it a foregone conclusion? That's what people are saying.
It's kind of looking like that.

Speaker 6 (41:41):
I thought Kellen Moore was going to be their next
head coach, and I want to say I still do,
but this Schottenheimer nonsense. Dan and I talked about it
yesterday quite a bit again in the five o'clock hour.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
It's it's real. Sure looks like it's headed that way.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Only Jerry would do something like that. And that's what
we were just saying about him earlier this week and
last week with regards to which, by the way, the
All American Game is gonna be called it or is
going to be at at and T Stadium, and Jane
Slater said something along the lines of, yeah, just in
time to take all the beauty shots there, So yeah,

(42:13):
those topics and more might come up as we start
our number two next And it's the simulcast portion of
the show on Space City Home Network.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
It's the eighteen.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
The A Team on Sports Talk seven ninety two lifelong
Houston sports guys named Adam Talking Your Team series, Adam
Clinton and Adam Wexler are the A Team A.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
It's a Thursday edition of the show Sports Talk seven
ninety and now simulcast on Space City Home Network. Wex
over there ac right here as we are fresh off
I don't know the closest thing we've seen to a
playoff atmosphere over at Toyota Center in a long long time.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
After they gut it out.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
A victory over I think the fact that it was
over the Cleveland Cavaliers and they've been jocking with the
Thunder for the best record in the NBA this season
that makes last night a little bit more special. I
actually had a guy reach out to me that I
have no idea who he is. I'm not friends with him,
and he's like, hey, man, chill, it's just a regular
season game in January.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
I'm like, you chill, game, not chill, what do you
mean during the broadcast.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
No, I think he was just h I tweeted something
about it the social media like stuff.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yeah, sort of.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
But you know, if you if you've seen the condensed
version of how that whole thing went down with Darius
Garland not only getting fouled on a three point shot,
but then they upgrade it to a flagrant so they're
also going to get possession. Well, this guy's a ninety
percent free throw shooter. No way he misses two out
of three for the second time in the game because
he had already and at that point with the Rockets

(43:53):
up by two, well, Cleveland, I'll have a one point
lead and possession of the basketball with two point eight
seconds remaining.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
There's no way they could hold on to win this game.
But they did. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (44:02):
At the time yesterday's game began, Darius Garland was in
fact a ninety percent free throw shooter. By the time
the game ended, it's down to eighty seven point three percent,
which is roughly his career average. He had been at
a career best number. And you know the five missed
free throws that was his three hundred and forty ninth

(44:23):
NBA game. In the first three hundred and forty eight,
he'd never missed five free throws in a game, not
one time.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Well, that's I mean, eighty seven is still darn near
at incredible.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
It's top ten.

Speaker 6 (44:32):
It's phenomenal missing five free throws in a game for
a player that shoots at that accuracy rate. Well, it
literally before last night, I would have called it impossible.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
It had never happened before.

Speaker 6 (44:44):
And to miss two of three late, to not put
his team in a tie game or winning situation, which
would have forced the Rockets clearly to attempt to foul
in the final couple of seconds. And we mentioned it
in the opening hour and probably deserves sadly more of
a mention here. Fouling somebody late in that situation. It's tough,
But in the way that Tarry Easton did it, it's

(45:07):
like he just made a mistake and it was a
big one. I'm not trying to kind of not discuss it.
I couldn't believe it when I saw it, and I
didn't doubt for a second it would be upgraded.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
He didn't.

Speaker 6 (45:18):
He didn't get in Darius Garland's landing space. He got
into him so hard he couldn't even land. He hit
his body. He saved his legs because he got into
him so much. Right, And I really did not like
either of the designs of the tech of the Rockets
defense of the design in front of that shot, nor

(45:38):
the design in front of the Donovan Mitchell's shot to
end the game. If you look back at the foul
that Easton committed, Garland was on the opposite side of
the court and he was just basically running towards the basketball,
and the Rockets decided to switch everything.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
You had Dylan Brooks closest.

Speaker 6 (45:58):
To him when the when the ball got slapped by
the inbounds passer and he ran through Fred van Vliet,
who left him for Tarry Easan, who tried to get
away from his man, super in shape uber athlete, George Nang,
and he couldn't. Nang had his arm around the shoulder
of Easan, probably not in a manner that I would

(46:20):
have expected to call a foul.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Wasn't egregious. It wasn't like he was holding him.

Speaker 6 (46:23):
That's just where it was so I'm sure it slowed
Easan a beat, a tick, a step briefly, but Easton
was clearly late getting there. His hand was of no
consequence to Garland. It was not gonna impact his shot.
I don't believe he just missed. Was off the front
of the rim. It wasn't even particularly close, right, but
he absolutely fouled him. They did the correct thing that

(46:44):
should have been upgraded. It was a flagrant foul. That
is the rule, and that's why the rules in place
because of the dang reckless as the official used, and
that's the term they always use when a close out
is done like that. So to be up to and
give the other team three free throws, the person going
into the free throw line coming into the games better
than ninety percent, and now they get the basketball. It's

(47:04):
hard to imagine the Rockets thinking, well, the game's over.
I mean, we didn't just put ourselves in a bad situation.
We put ourselves in a nearly unwinnable situation because the
odds are actually pretty good that we're giving up five points.
Garland's gonna make all three. Now we're down one. We
have to fil immediately, and you know, I don't know

(47:24):
who they're gonna foul, but could that person make two
more sure? And now you're down three and there's even
less than two seconds remaining because that's when they're gonna
inbound it after the initial foul. So yeah, it looked
like a pretty dire situation. And though that would have
been very much a gut punch way to lose no
matter how the rest of the fourth quarter had gone.
But because of how the rest of the fourth quarter

(47:45):
had been gone, they gave the game away, and luckily
there was three minutes left and so they could go
get it back. Their offense of the fourth quarter was awful,
and to not be able to figure out the defense
the Cavs were putting out there for six, seven, eight, nine,
ten possessions in a row without a time out, without
substitutions that made any difference, it was pretty alarming.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
I thought to watch what they were doing.

Speaker 6 (48:06):
They got a few good looks, you know, I thought
Jalen got a couple of decent looks during that stretch.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
A few other plays where that shot could have dropped.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
For the most part, they weren't taking care of the
basketball because they didn't know where to go with it,
you know, don Dylan Brooks occasionally would come to the
you know, the high post, which is where Alpi normally
would come, but they just never seemed to get it.
The nineteen old run lasted forever. It wasn't because Cleveland
couldn't be stopped, because the Rockets couldn't they.

Speaker 5 (48:32):
Couldn't score, and when they finally did, as you mentioned
in the first hour, you know, Fred van Vliet and
the three point line have not been a.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Happy marriage this year.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
They're getting happier, They're getting very happy, and they got
real happy last night. They had a little rendezvous. Two
straight possessions. You went from a six point deficit to
tied at one oh four. So all of that stuff
that happened after that never even gets to that point
if he doesn't hit. And the second one he hit,
I mean it was like a I don't want to
say it was a prayer, but I mean he shot

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it from Galveston.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
It was at least a thirty foot shot.

Speaker 5 (49:05):
Well you'd probably look it up and know what exactly
it is because you've looked at that sort of thing.
I just eyeballing it. It was at least thirty feet
from the basket.

Speaker 6 (49:12):
Yeah, last six games forty eight percent from deep, last
eight games forty three percent from deep. You know the
time of the number of games where he's hitting efficiently
for five, seven to three pointers in a game. Well,
it's finally back to where it's tenable because he wasn't
doing anything else last night. He also happened to have
the most turnovers he's ever had in a game in

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a Rockets uniform. But he was just being a good
team guy. Everybody was turning the basketball over true for
thirty six right in a win, they're five and oh
when they've the ball over twenty or more.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Times, that's insane.

Speaker 6 (49:46):
Yeah, he shot the ball so much better of late,
and it seemed like at some point this kind of
had to happen. There's just no way this was the
shooting they were gonna get it from Fred van Vliet.
For an entire season, it was worst on the team stuff.
It's thirty one percent, it was a twenty nine percent
are parts of this season. So yes, they're in a
much better situation when he's contributing offensively. Going back to

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basically a month, go back to the twenty third of December,
he scored twenty or more points five times, Prior to that,
he had done it four times the whole season.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
Right, he's But yet I feel like even when he's
because you and I have texted during games, or he's
just been stinky as Wex likes to say, just awful
shooting the basketball, and yet I still feel like he is.
That That's why when all these trades get thrown out
there and oh, well we'll just trade his contract. No,

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Fred van Vliet and the Rockets improving and becoming a
functional organized basketball team are synonymous. Since he's gotten here,
they're more organized. And when he's out he missed a
game a few back because of personal reasons.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
I think they even won. Was that the Portland game?
It's the Kings game they lost.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
Okay, they lost that game. I don't know if they
win that game if he plays, but it's hard to
argue that they don't look more at least organized, if
nothing else, when he's out.

Speaker 6 (51:08):
There, he's not going to be the point guard for
much longer. To be brutally honest, long in the tooth, well,
he's just this is his last year running this team.
So even if they were to bring him leaving, I'm
not saying he won't start but he's not leading this
team after this year.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
See, And that's why we were having this conversation last
night in a text thread with somebody who's just a
die hard Rockets fan, and it's like, okay, well, how
do you improve this team? There's been the let it go,
let these players develop. Okay, well, if you do that,
who's your point guard in the future? Is it.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
On the roster?

Speaker 6 (51:43):
And that's the only reason why what I said might
still not be true. They might still need what he
can do while putting him in a little bit smaller role,
whereas you would still probably call the point guard that
starts and plays twenty five to thirty minutes kind of
a leader. He'll he'll always be a leader if you
understand what I'm trying to say, and I when I
say he's leading the team, he's obviously not their best player.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
He's not their leading scorer. He's not there leading. He
is a leader.

Speaker 6 (52:07):
They need somebody else to be leading this team to
where they want to go because of who needs to
develop into that or who they might add to this
roster in order to get there. You know, watching what's
happened during the thirteen games, if you couldn't see it already.
Vina men Thompson has started, and he started now for
three different starters. Fred miss Time he started for him,
Jabari's missing time, he started for him, Dylan miss Time

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he started for him. Sixteen points, sixteen rebounds, for steals,
for assists. It's and I'm not I don't even look
at last night's game out outside of the rebounding thing. Man,
he was unbelievable. I look at it like, Yeah, that's
what he does, that's how he plays. That's what he's
gonna do. Most nights might not be sixteen and sixteen,
it might be twenty one and twelve.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
This is who he is.

Speaker 6 (52:50):
That is he's in a position to make this team better.
And that's why when he starts, nobody plays more than him.
He plays thirty seven minutes a night because he's mainly
north of forty. He makes the team better. Whatever group
he's out there with, they're playing usually playing better basketball.
They're getting additional opportunities. And I'm sure at some point
will recognize the value in the trade the Rockets made

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last year that paid no dividends for last year's team
because Steven Adams couldn't play last year.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
You don't win that game last night without him.

Speaker 6 (53:19):
He is historical, historical, and what he's doing with his
offensive rebounding, he's played in twenty nine games. When he
gets to thirty two, this will be the first time
ever nobody's ever averaged more than seven and a half
rebounds per thirty six minutes while playing at least thirty
two games in a season in the history of the league.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Nobody's ever done it.

Speaker 5 (53:36):
When he's on the seven point eight right now, when
he's on the floor, he towers over everyone.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
He pushes people around and makes it look like I
would too if I was his size. He's a monster.
He's the same height.

Speaker 6 (53:48):
You don't play the two guys he was playing against
last night, Yeah, well, what's the weight now? He's stronger
than both, very strong Tristan and not quite as strong,
but very strong Jarrett.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
Tristan Thompson is another long in the tooth guy who's
been an out forever, and he's no small body. He's
two hundred fifty pounds. He was getting thrown around like
a rag doll by Steven Adams. I would never upset
that man. All right, we've got plenty more to discuss
here on a Thursday edition of the program, including the
fact Billy Wagner went into the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
What did he have to say about it? We'll hear
from him.

Speaker 7 (54:19):
The eight on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Back to Adam Clinton had Adam Wexler.

Speaker 7 (54:27):

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Here.

Speaker 5 (54:35):
I like about you, wex And I'm gonna say this
on camera. Yeah, just say the one thing.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
You're just a rational, even keeled thinker.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
And so when things hit the fan or anything out
of the ordinary happens, I mean, you might get a
little perturbed, but yeah, I gonna fly off the handle.
That's my job most of the time, at least on
the show. I'm falling off the handle before here here.

Speaker 8 (55:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Probably, I don't know about that. It's just something I
like about you. I just want to put that out there.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
So, Okay, Billy Wagner and the and the voting first
and foremost that went into him finally being allowed into
the Baseball Hall of Fame because sanctimonious writers have to
do whatever they're doing. And I feel like, you know,
like a foul is a foul in an NBA game, Well,

(55:31):
a Hall of famer's a hall of Famer right, especially
if it's like a surefire, like when are we gonna
find out about the one guy who didn't vote for
each row?

Speaker 6 (55:39):
I hope soon, because the longer, I mean, maybe they
think why bother or has he gott into witness protection yet?

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Is she? I just don't know that.

Speaker 6 (55:49):
It's well, first of all, that's what other people are
now saying. Also, come on, they're bad at voting. They
probably shouldn't be invited back to vote. That's more than
enough to be said. Anything else beyond that, you know
which hunt kind of stance this is, it's ridiculous. I
don't think they're gonna present much of a why I

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didn't vote for them, And if it's the why we think,
it is about, well, they don't deserve this or I
don't want anybody.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Okay, that's fine, that's how you feel.

Speaker 6 (56:18):
You've been able to show that we as a Baseball
Writer's Association of America and Hall of Fame don't want
people who think like that to vote anymore.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
So we're not going to extend you the honor of
voting for us.

Speaker 6 (56:29):
They have that control, and maybe they should want people
that think differently, but which they clearly do.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
I'm not sure that it really lessens it. Like, look,
who's in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 6 (56:39):
We probably know more about the more recent ones, but
every time it comes up, it's not gonna be Oh,
I can't believe Derek Jeter was one vote shy. I
can't believe eachro was one vote shy. Are we still
saying that about the seven or so other Hall of
famers that clearly are at least as strong a case
as Jeter and eachro probably better that also missed by

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four votes or six. Okay, Like we know we know
their Hall of Famers. We know that's one reason why
you do need You need more than one hundred voters,
need more than two hundred. You probably need more than
three hundred because unfortunately, no matter what number, you get
to three four, five, six hundred voters, and they've been
at those levels before, you're gonna have some that after
they've voted, you're gonna say, I'm sure wish we didn't

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have them voting because what they've submitted is ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
That's where I want to get to with the you know,
the second question, the most obvious, is what's worse the
guy or gal who didn't vote for each row or Jeter?

Speaker 3 (57:36):
What Jeter wasn't unanimous either was he? They were both
one vote shy? Right? Do we ever find out who
that person was? I can't remember. It was so far
so how about this topic then? And we can't even remember, right,
But it's the principle. That's the principles. But here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
What's worse the one person who doesn't vote for everybody
who everybody thinks is surefire. Or the idiots who taken
upon themselves to be the judge, jury and executioner for
whatever reason and keep people out year after year after
year until they say it's okay based on their criteria.
That wasn't good all these other years. But now in

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the last year of eligibility, you can go in what's
wor because honestly, I don't think there's much of a difference,
it's just one takes longer.

Speaker 6 (58:18):
There are quite a few people that have been voting
since twenty sixteen, the all ten years of Billy Wagner
being on the ballot, and a lot of them quite
obviously have changed their minds. Have either been given the
ability to look at data more accurately, or use more
of the data that's available. Maybe they were older and
had something against the current day of baseball. Maybe they're

(58:40):
younger somehow, younger than not seeing Billy Wagner play. I'm
not sure how that's possible to be a part of
the Baseball Racial Association America and not be familiar with
his playing career, which ended in the just a couple
of years ago.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
He was throwing major league pitches in twenty ten. It's
only twenty twenty five. Now.

Speaker 6 (58:56):
Hopefully you were watching some of that if you're a voter.
But the other thing that changed dramatically, and that's probably
the biggest reason why he can get ten point five
percent of the vote in twenty sixteen, not get more
than seventeen percent of the vote in any of his
first four years, and then see a fifteen percent increase,
a fifteen percent increase, set a seventeen percent increase by

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the way he got each of those, and still wasn't
into the Hall of Fame until he had another near
ten percent increase to go from seventy three point eight
to eighty two point five this year. The thing that
I'm talking about is they have taken voters away. They
have far fewer voters than they used to, and they've
turned over who is voting much more.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Smartly consistently.

Speaker 6 (59:43):
No, they're just making sure the people who are voting
care and are paying attention to the game of baseball
and have been and deserve the right to vote. Because
he's the first left hander, left handed reliever to go
into the Hall of Fame. And now it's obviously it's
a pretty unique group. It's a very small number of
super successful.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
One so I think there'd be more than that by now.

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
I mean, the only one that immediately comes to mind
is John Franco, and I don't know that he's, you know,
at I don't personally, I don't think he's at Wagner's level.
I know you had more saves because he pitched longer.
We talked about it yesterday. Wagner decided after striking out
this side and his final inning, he decided before that
this is going to be his last year.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
His last year of pitching was one of his best.
He was elite.

Speaker 6 (01:00:27):
The last pitch he threw was as an elite player.
Very very very few Hall of famers do that. And
it wasn't like he retired at age thirty three or
thirty two.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Retired to go play basketball or anything.

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
He retired at age thirty nine, but he was in
New York, sat down with the Brian Kenny and every ounce.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
He had a long zoom interview with the media.

Speaker 6 (01:00:52):
The night of the announcement as well, we talked about
the video of him getting the phone call where essentially
he had almost no words for the person on the
other end for about a minute because he was emotional
and in tears and was standing there with his wife
who were going to hear about in the second cut.
First cut is kind of his life as a closer,
what it is like, and of course you'll want to

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listen to the former teammates of his that he shouts out.

Speaker 11 (01:01:18):
You know, being a closer is it is the greatest
role because you're only going to play when it matters,
and you're going to play a lot if you're on
the good teams. And you know, for me, in sixteen years,
I've played on you know, a ton of great a
ton of great teams. But the players that played behind
me a bag on video and Jeff Kent and Lance

(01:01:38):
Berkman and cost there's too many of the bullpen guys
that you know, Jay Powell and I told him I'd
bring his name up because he said that everybody talks
about starting pitchers, but you know, the relievers that get
you the ball are the ones that don't really get
the credit. And you know, I wouldn't be where I'm
at today if it wouldn't be for those guys and
starters who couldn't finish games.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Right, what'stle laugh?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
There?

Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
At least the starters who couldn't finish games. I do
love the fact that nobody will say that anymore because
everybody fits in that category.

Speaker 11 (01:02:12):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
He was coming into games after a starter.

Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
No closer comes into the game after a starter with
any kind of regularity these days, because no starters finish games.
If you're going out there to finish a game, it's
because you have a no hitter going.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
And yet we have more, don't we have?

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
Don't you feel like we have more serious arm repair
type surgeries injuries happening than we ever have.

Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
We have more teams acting like they have the answers
like he needs. This is where his innings limits in.
And he grew up doing this in our minor league
with the thought that they're trying to avoid Tommy John
or something like that. And pitch counts as even the
bigger deal. It's not, you know, a little bit of
the up and down. I don't want him getting up
again after the sixth, the seventh or Man, these hitters

(01:02:57):
who you've dominated forget, but you can't dominate him anymore.
Today they're about to see you for the third time.
You gotta go third time through the order. I'm joking
and I'm mocking, but I also know what the numbers say.
Go look at nearly every single starting pitcher right first
time through the order? Was the batting average against? Second
time through the order? What is it? A little higher?
What's it the third time through the order? Way higher?

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For almost every single picture.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
I get it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:22):
But on that particular day, with the way that particular
picture is throwing, that's when you still want a manager
who has a gut so he can have a feel
for what's happening that day. The book's always going to
be there, but the book's never gonna know what's technically
happened that after.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
What about the back of his baseball car? Does that
factor in? Probably not, because it's not taking into account
that day or that season, because the season's not done
and the car hasn't been written well for that year, y'all.
How should I deal with JV here? I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:03:55):
Look at the back of his baseball card. It gives
you all of his stats through twenty twenty three. Yeah,
but it's August of twenty twenty four, don't. I don't
know how he's pitching this year. The back of his
baseball card doesn't tell me. So it's so ridiculous, And
yet it was a thing. It's we make it out
to be even worse than it is. It's it's really

(01:04:16):
not that bad, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
What are you getting? It was because it became a thing.
What are you gonna do this year?

Speaker 6 (01:04:22):
If the first baseman struggles and the people who signed
the first baseman say, look it back of his baseball card,
Because if they say it today before Christian Walker's gotten
on the field, before he's had it at bat or
a fielding play as a first baseman for the Astros,
we think it's a he's a good player.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
We think he's going to hit well.

Speaker 6 (01:04:41):
We do not envision an a brave new scenario happening here,
even though we know what side of his career he's
probably on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
But if it does happen.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
That's the immediate response from the people in these chairs
and others on Astros Twitter.

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
I'm old enough to remember when the most pressing issue
is that it was just that late in the season,
until a bray you had hit his first home run,
which is to ignore everything else that was clearly going
poorly for him. But hey, that's no longer the Astros
problem after they pay him for this season again.

Speaker 7 (01:05:10):
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Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
It is the eighteen Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
You know, since the intro to this segment had was
starring Joe A Spota, is there any scenario where all
of the dust, I mean the dust is really gonna
have to settle and Alex Bregman finds his way back
to the Astros. I know that sounds ridiculous, and we've
all but like concluded he's gonna play elsewhere next year,

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but he's not elsewhere yet, and I'm seeing, like you know,
recent articles. It's just I know he's been he's supposedly
been extended deals from or offers from other teams and
all this kind. But I'm just curious, especially with all
the stuff that's been written about Scott Boris, which again
talking to Channel Rome about this when he was in

(01:06:20):
last week, he said, at point blank, you know, if
Alex Bregman wanted to be an astroid, be an astro.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
That's all there is to it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
Alrighty, it's it's just been a long time. It's almost February.

Speaker 6 (01:06:35):
What do you think the best alignment of the Alex
Bregman twenty twenty five Astros defense should look like if
he were to come back, if he's on the Astros
in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Yes, you got to fix that thing. Oh yeah, get
right on it. I knew you were going to say that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
I mean, are you suggesting, like other teams would be
suitors have that he would play a different position.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Alex Bregman's an Astro.

Speaker 6 (01:07:02):
When they start the season against Juan Soto's Mets, where's
everybody playing?

Speaker 5 (01:07:07):
He's playing third base? Okay, the infield is set like
it would have been anyways after that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Wrong, Why the.

Speaker 6 (01:07:15):
Houston Astros are keeping the door Ajar for free agent
third basemen Alex Bregman to return, but are not optimistic.
Bregman has serious offers from at least two teams. If
the Astros pulled it off, Bregman could say a third
Esak Peretis would move to second, Hesel two would move
to left field. Signed for Robert Nightingale two twenty this afternoon.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Ooh, that's that's fresh. That's fresh.

Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
I've heard that the left field, especially regardless of if
Alex Bregman was here.

Speaker 6 (01:07:47):
I've heard that so Joe Aspata has now kind of
downgraded to the role from millionaire making major league baseball manager.
We're going to tell him, we're gonna get you a
group of seven year olds, most of whom have never
played before, and then you're gonna have to see what

(01:08:08):
kind of skills they have and put your players out
there as you see fit. There's this guy off to
the side. I'm not sure what he can do anymore.
I'm just you gotta find a spot for him. You
can still hit, but you know you gotta hide him somewhere.
He's probably your worst defensive player. Just you've seen the ballpark,
You've seen what Dyke in Park is like. Just figure
out where to put him. All right, we're gonna put
to Alex. Yes, coach, you're gonna go play third base. Esach,

(01:08:31):
welcome to town. We're gonna put you over at second, Hey,
Hose eight, calm down, Esach, we want you over at second.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
All right, Christian, welcome aboard. You're gonna go over to first. JP.
You know you're my guy.

Speaker 6 (01:08:42):
You got shortstop. We're really looking forward to how well
you play when you turn eight. Uh, Chaz, you and Jake,
you guys can head about back out to the outfield,
two of them, high five and run out there. Mariso,
you're gonna play your utility role. You're gonna be hanging
out in the dugout with me until me and Omarci
fit to put you out there. You're to yeah, coach, well,

(01:09:02):
you're you are the best hitter in this league. I
know we're an under eight year old league and people
think the way you hit, maybe you're ten, but you're
seven sixteen. You're our designated hitter. And Jose, yes, you're
in the everyday lineup. Yes, you can bring oranges every
Thursday for everybody after the game, and you're probably gonna

(01:09:24):
be our player of the game. You're probably gonna add
to your baseball collection when we say you you you
got two hits today and you went all the way
from first to third on an infield bouncer that seven
players from the other team tried to jump on. We're
gonna put you out in left field because that's where
we can He's gonna say it very quietly after Jose's
out of hears.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Hide you. That's where we can hide you.

Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
Well, this comes down to one very important question. Who's
better at being hidden there or who who? I guess
how much does it which one of them being hidden
in left field benefits the Astros the most, Jim or Jordan.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Jordon's not hidden there.

Speaker 12 (01:10:02):
Jordon.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
We just don't want him out there because we can't
run the risk. As Astro's management we are right now
can't run the risk of him getting hurt. He's in
my opinion, and I think it's shared by most who've
watched him play.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
He's fine.

Speaker 6 (01:10:14):
Not only is he fine, he's plus. He has a
plus arm YEP and he's he's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
That's the question.

Speaker 6 (01:10:19):
He's not a bad al Altuve would would probably there's
a chance he would not win a throwing from the
outfield contest with Jake Myers, I would say he'd have
a heart.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
It would be fifty to fifty. I don't know who
to put my money on.

Speaker 6 (01:10:36):
If their outfield was Chaz Jake and Jose Altuve the
second baseman, they would have the worst throwing outfield.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
I think the Astros have ever employed, but they're probably
still going to have the worst throwing outfield. Oh yeah,
it's just one Jack.

Speaker 6 (01:10:54):
I mean, if Maurica is out there quite a bit,
or if there is an addition to the team, or
if Taylor Tremmel is someone who gets out there more
than we think as a non roster invitee, then maybe
it won't be quite that bad in one spot. And
I don't think Chaz is disastrous. Well, I do think
that about Jake. I mean, Jake just won a Gold Glove.
He got his first outfield or was a finalist for
a Gold Glove, and deservedly so. As a fielder. If

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you eliminate the throwing portion of it, he's elite. He
deserved it. He was one of the best three American
League center fielders, if not one of the best two.
Could have made a case he was the best one fielder.
But he didn't have an assist till the end of
the season, and it wasn't an accident. He can't throw
the baseball far enough or hard enough to get people out,
and he's challenged all the time, and teams challenged the

(01:11:40):
E've I'm sure you've watched and noticed over the last
several years of being extremely good, the Astros have been
among the best teams in baseball for eight years. Well,
Teams play against them quite differently now because they do
take extra bases, they do take bigger risks, they do
ask the Astros defense, yeah, we're gonna make them make
the play, and they don't make it as often as

(01:12:00):
they used to. When you're talking about a throw from
a base or taking an extra base, or running on
a catcher or running on a pitcher, So all those
things do factor, and they make you lean on their offense.
Your offense, which is getting worse even more, makes you
lean on your pitching staff, which is probably not better,
not necessarily worse, but lean on it more because you
can't lean on your defense anymore. And all this while

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you're probably not gonna have to deal with any of
this because your best fielder is unsigned and probably not
going to sign with you. I understand the thought, and
I don't think Bob's reporting is inaccurate. Heck, John Hayman
during this segment, I might as well bring him up.
He did an interview earlier this week. Yeah, there's many
as five teams that are still in on Bregman. I'm
not gonna I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Which those teams are. Okay, then what are you freaking
talking about? Dude? Why does he do that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:12:51):
He can't help himself, but we know which teams they are.
The Cubs probably have made the necessary phone calls to
know where they stand, and I don't think they stand
in the front of the line because they want it
on their terms only. I think Bregman and Boris are
still holding out hope that the team they signed with,
the Tigers or Red Sox, will do it on their terms.
The longer it goes, and it's gone a long time already,

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the closer we get to February, the closer we get
to reporting days, the closer it gets to him saying
to Boris, I have to sign a contract. I am
playing baseball this year, and we have to take the
offer that I'm a slow starter.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Well, I don't know how.

Speaker 6 (01:13:27):
Maybe this will turn into something for him on a
positive side, but he's going to want to be in
his new camp.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
He is gonna want to be at He's going to
want to be there early.

Speaker 6 (01:13:36):
And the idea that Arizona still was a possibility for
him with the money they spent on Corbin Burns, I
kind of felt like that went out the window as
he and his family have continued to spend almost this
entire offseason in Arizona.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
It's the weirdest thing since well, well he's not alone.
I know where's pet al Anzo playing.

Speaker 5 (01:13:57):
Just about to say who signs first? Between those two
happened with Dallas Kikeel. He just wasn't as big of
a name, and it went into July. It wasn't a
big of a name, wasn't gonna get as big of
a contract. They purposely waited because of what was attached
to signing him at that point in time.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
It's a little bit different, but can't be very fun
for the player.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
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Speaker 5 (01:14:32):
Seriously, though Pete Alonso or Alex Bregman, who signs.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
First Alonso with I don't know. I think he's going
back to the Mets.

Speaker 6 (01:14:43):
The reason why I say that and not know who
with is because already we know everything we need to
know about Alex. I think I don't think there's I
think it's just a staring contest now. I think Alonzo
still has work to do to figure out what might
be best for him. I think Alex and Scott Boris
know what is on on the table, and likely a
best and final from the Tigers in Red Sox who
I think he's choosing in between, but because he's not

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fully satisfied with either offer, he wants them to still
be pitted against each other and wants the belief in
their front offices to be Okay, Well, you clearly know
I'm not happy with this. I might just be compelled
to take somebody else's two three year deal with options.
You might never get me under your terms, even though

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you know nobody's technically going to outbid you this offseason,
you guys are probably given me the best offers.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
If it wasn't already the Astros that was right there
on the ball. That's my question.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
What is the door being left a jar. Meine, if
they've spent money on Christian Walker, then does the same
deal remain on a table for Bregman?

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
What do you think? No, honestly to open the segment, Yeah,
I don't, But.

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
Then why would Bob Nightingale write that? Other than that
he just wants to stir the post with Jim Crane.

Speaker 6 (01:16:00):
An account on the X platform at Astro's owner JC
and tweets out the following anytime before Bregman signs, and
it says CBT, who cares? Then Alex is coming here
under the deal they previously offered him. Until that happens,
I'm gonna say new deal only.

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
Well, do you want to go elsewhere in further water
down the league or do you want to have a
real shot if you get to the World Series where
the bought and paid for Dodgers are waiting on you.

Speaker 6 (01:16:34):
I think it's time to give you an honestly, because
of what's going on with the Los Angeles Dodgers, their
payroll and their their talent pool that they'll be working
with this year, the best Astros team during this era,
as you've said many many timesteen, it's twenty nineteen, it's
not even close. Astros played a seven game series, absolutely

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dominated the Nationals as long as they weren't here Houston,
and unfortunately that was four times that they were in Houston,
and they got dominated in all but one of those games,
literally dominated in all but one of those games, even
the last game, which we talked so much about.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
In that last game for.

Speaker 6 (01:17:13):
A few hittings, yeah, well, I mean they dominated them that.
He was very very good, so were the Astros. And
then the final score said six for one team and.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Two for the other. Stupid, stupid, stupid game of baseball. Anyway,
go ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:17:27):
So I'm trying to find what the best game to
to ask you about would be in twenty nineteen, talk
about the World Series. Yeah, because I want to. I
want to get a very specific looking lineup. It's kind
it kind of centered around Kyle Tucker's involvement on that team,
which is to say, not as much then as you

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would think considering what he is now a potentially four
hundred million dollar player.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Do you wear number three? Well yeah, kind of. So
it wasn't Kyle Tucker. It was the young Buck version.

Speaker 6 (01:18:02):
So I'm trying to do it accurately, unlike other people
who are saying, how did this team not win? And
they put up a fake lineup that shows Kyle Tucker
batting eighth. I mean, he basically was not a part
of that offense in the World Series unfortunately. Now granted
he existed, he was alive, and he warn't astros uniform,
but like I said, he wasn't a huge part of

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what they were trotting out there on an everyday basis.
I'll take the game where he pinch hit in the
and then batted in the eighth spot. George Springer, Jose
al Tuove, Michael Brandley, Alex Bregman, Yuli Gurriel, jord On Alvarez,
Carlos krit Kyle Tucker, and Josh Reddick. Granted, Martin or
Robinson Chernos has to be in there at some point

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Cherinos hit a home run? Did he not Otherwise? Well,
this series particular game, Martin hit a home run. Oh okay,
one of them has to be out there at all
times because somebody has to catch the pitches, right, But Springer,
al Altuve, Brantley, Bregman, Yuli Alva, As Korea, Tucker, Slash Reddick.
That is better than what the Dodgers are going to

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play with this year. Yeah, the Astros did not buy
that team. No, they cultivated the talent springer. Astros draft
pick Al Tuve, Astros international free agent signing, Bregman draft pick,
Astro's free agent signing, more conventionally like the Dodgers of Julie,
although it was overseas traded for minor leaguer after zero

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at bats with the Dodgers, you arred on Alvarez, drafted
Carlos Korea, Tucker was drafted.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
Reddick was more conventional and going back to Yuli.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
No one else was hot to trot for him, were they. Yeah,
I recall he was very highly seas. Yeah, he was
just longer in the tooth when they finally whoever was
gonna land?

Speaker 6 (01:19:46):
Okay, okay, but he would He could have gotten a
very nice deal from another team. The Astros offered the best,
and so they signed him. Offered the best, and it
wasn't out of bound. It was a totally reasonable deal
if he performed as you expected versus what you I
have spent on a mainland free agent.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
But this is better. Yeah, but that's kind of you.

Speaker 6 (01:20:08):
You can win any number of different ways, and this
particular team which we're calling better offensively at least and
also employed Justin Verlander.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
It wasn't good at the time, didn't win. Also Garrett
Cole and didn't win.

Speaker 6 (01:20:22):
We're one hundred percent sure the Dodgers are repeating just
because they have a really good team on paper, and
an even better team than the World Series winning team
they would have returned otherwise.

Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
No, I mean no, because it's baseball. Absolutely not. And
you can say that in any sport, with maybe the
exception of the NBA, if you've got a dynasty going
at any given time. Like at the end of the day,
I still think Boston is going to be the favorite
in a seven game series to win against any other team,
including the Cavs or anybody else, including the Thunder, just
because until somebody knocks off the champs. But it's to me,

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it's not necessarily about what you're saying as much as
it is everybody keeps telling me any team can do this,
any why don't more teams do this? And as a
matter of fact, Jack Flaherty went off on social media
about this, and technically he doesn't even play for anybody
right now, also.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
An available free agent, so but it's like he can't
He was very condescending in his response.

Speaker 5 (01:21:22):
I mean he was going back and forth with a
number of fans and best of X like, yeah, well,
I actually had intended on doing that the day that
we weren't in. I think I even sent you a
link to it. But if if everybody can do it,
why don't teams do it? And anytime, like Ben Verlander

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said something about this yet, what did I don't remember,
I can look it up, but essentially, you know a
similar sentiment, and it's like, okay, but a you have
to you have to factor in the region sports network factor.
You have to because there's only like two teams that

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get that kind of money, maybe three if you want
to count the Red Sox. I guess it's just to
see Yankees and the Dodgers. That is a humongous built
in advantage. Yeah, and it's not governed.

Speaker 6 (01:22:16):
And to me, it doesn't even work both ways, as
in when a lot of regional sports networks faulted on
their contracts or when it ripsy. I never took that
as a Oh the Rangers, for instance, well they really
have to think about how they're spending now because they're
not getting their regional sports network money.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
Anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:22:32):
I treat it as a joke. The amount of money
they were getting was nice. It was a nice bonus.
It's a nice add to what you can spend. It
shouldn't be crippling to you, as the Rangers outfit to
what you now no longer have. Most of the teams
are in the same position. It's great to have it,
and it definitely helps, but doesn't cripple you when you don't.
And the other side of it is their money is
so far and above beyond everyone gets. That's why you

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can't say, well, why don't every why doesn't every owner
do it? Because they don't have that kind of money.

Speaker 5 (01:23:00):
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into getting a salary cap. They've created the perfect place
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He's wex I'm Ac. As we continue here, on Space
City Home Network as well, been talking about all of
a sudden Alex Bregman. It feels like we are like
two months ago and all this, you know, got underway
with the Hot Stoves season and.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Then nothing happened, and still nothing has happened.

Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
But we were talking about, you know, Bob Nightingale's tweet,
the fact that he said the Astros have left the
door ajar. So it's not that the book hasn't completely
been closed on Alex Bregman, and yet we were talking about,
you know, it's probably Detroit or Boston at least that's
what you think.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
Definitely what I think.

Speaker 6 (01:25:21):
I just I can understand him taking a different deal
from another team, which would definitely open the door for more.
The Astros are one of those type of teams. If
Alex Bregman plays for the Astros next year, it just
means another year of knowing this is the last year
he's going to be here kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
So it'd be a one year deal.

Speaker 6 (01:25:37):
If he does come back, probably be a three year
deal with an option, and once he opts out for
more money, he would get it somewhere else most likely.
Right the Astros would somehow feel like well, what happened
with Carlos and Minnesota, We're just.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Going to do here.

Speaker 6 (01:25:48):
But it's just he wants a long term deal. He's
not going to play the rest of his career without one.
It's ultimately what Matt Chapman did. It's ultimately what Blake
Snell did. It's ultimately what Carlos Korea did. Each of
those three players had to accept a deal they didn't
want with options so they could then sign a deal
more to their liking the following year. All three of
them were able to do it, and in two of

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their cases they actually remained with the team. But in
both of those cases, Giants with Chapman and Twins with Correa.
They have the ability to do it because they're not
The money's there with San Francisco and the money's not
being spent elsewhere with the Twins. The Twins aren't gonna
win if they let Carlos Corea go, and they know it.
The Astros are different than that. The Astros can think

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they can win without him. We'll find out this year,
we think if if they're right or not. We'll find
out if Jacob Melton and Cam Smith are the reasons
why they can win on into the future without him.
I mean, I guarantee you Dana Brown and other people
in the front office are looking at the twenty twenty
seven and twenty twenty eight Astros with a two three

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four in their lineup of Melton, Smith and Alvarez and
thinking that's this is where our bread is buttered.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
This is where we're gonna win games. This is the
heart of a very good order.

Speaker 5 (01:27:01):
Don't you think that a scenario where Okay, and you
couldn't have known this until now. He's obviously not signed,
this door being a jar. Whatever, We're gonna offer you
a three year deal with a team option. This is
a very Verlander, second time around type deal, right, and
then he ended up not playing one of those years
because of Tommy John.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
All that.

Speaker 5 (01:27:22):
With, you know, the average annual value is far higher
than the original deal, but yet it's not astronomical to
where they're you know, paying all sorts of penalties. I mean,
they're going to go about the tax if they did
this scenario right, but you would then, like, I know,
it's not what Alex wants from a long term standpoint,
but he's playing where he really actually wants to play

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in his heart of hearts, because I still think he
would rather just stay here and you're getting, in all
likelihood the best remaining years of Alex Bregman.

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
If you're the Astros, I.

Speaker 6 (01:27:54):
Think it does it benefits him on the field. I
think if you're going to go into a contract year again,
which he may be forced to do with a you know, say,
a three year deal with option opt outs each of
those two years that follow year one, the one of
the best places for him to produce the best would
be here. Familiar with everything that they do, hear everything

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that they are about in this ballpark is.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Pla Tristian Walker could punish the craw for boxes.

Speaker 6 (01:28:20):
It's just that would make sense if I were him
to think, well, why go to a new situation, new
to me, new to my family. Am I even open
to having them somewhere else while I play this season,
while we're with a newborn.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
And a young child.

Speaker 6 (01:28:35):
Also, I don't think he would ever consider that, And
that's part of this decision. If I can't get paid
how I believe I've earned, then am I good enough?
Can I bet on myself enough to stay here and
make it happen next off season? He would obviously be
looking a lot at what we expect the free agent
class to be, and above him would be Vladimir Guerrero

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Junior and Kyle Tucker our immediate thoughts. And there will
probably be a player too, or maybe three or four.
Let's say he has an roughly identical season as his
last season. Hits two sixty ops, slightly under eight hundred, HiT's,
twenty five homers, drives in ninety runs.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
It's very good, too, above average. That's a good player.

Speaker 6 (01:29:20):
It's what he's been. Yeah, and if he can and
I don't, I'm sure he's going to maintain that. Now,
it's more about what does he look like in year
five or six of our six year deal. I have
no doubt, and it's more likely that he's going to
do that. If he's here, If you can show me
a lineup that gives him more protection more than batting
in front of Jordan, I mean, good luck.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
Good luck. Unless he's going to the Yankees. R she's not.

Speaker 6 (01:29:42):
And you know, if he you know, if the Mets decide,
look what we can. We cannot sign Alonzo because he
won't accept that. He and his agent have decided I'm
getting a long term deal. This offseason, and that's that.
It gives me a little less money on an average
annual basis, but I get to walk away with one
hundred and sixty million. I'm doing it eighty million. That's
what I want. I don't want to wait again. I

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don't want to put it off. I don't want to
see what happens, see what the market is. And that
means he's out of their price range. Well, can't the
Mets say, here's three years, ninety three million, Alex opt
outs after year one and year two and then he's
now batting in a lineup with Juan Soto and the
petere A Lonzo less group that also is there? Or
would he be batting behind Juan Soto, who's probably their

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number two hitter because he want him batting a little
bit more often. I don't know that there's a better
situation for offensive success. I don't know that's a there
clearly could be a better situation for team success. He
could just sign with a team we feel is better.
But all of a sudden, if he's on this team
with Christian Walker, with Theesak Perettis in the same lineup
they spent most of last year with the one without

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Kyle Tucker. Sounds like I already think they're gonna win
the division if he's not here? Yeah, won't he think
they're gonna win the division if he is?

Speaker 5 (01:30:54):
And you know what the most interesting part of this
whole conversation is he's the one guy that's probably down
and done all of this himself, because he's that analytical
and I mean over the top prepared in every facet
of his game and how it fits, Like, there's no
doubt in my mind he's actually sat down. I don't
know if his agent is having these conversations, but I

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know Alex probably is, if if with no one else,
then with himself.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
Yeah, I do think.

Speaker 6 (01:31:20):
Like I mentioned those other players and Snell and Korea
and Chapman's case, Snell ultimately ended up going elsewhere to
get his money and the other two players stayed to
get their money. But both Chapman and Korea were recently acquired.
They were added knowing that there's a possibility we're not
going to reach a long term deal. There's a possibility
this guy's kind of a one and done situation. You know,

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they clearly the Twins added him in free agency the
way they did, and the same thing with it. It's
just different because he's coming back. This is the only franchise,
this is his team. This is the team he could
not agree to a long term deal with, and now
he's gonna come back on their terms.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
You know they won, so to speak.

Speaker 6 (01:32:02):
But you can't look at it that way. I absolutely
wouldn't look at it that way. If they're saying we
wanted to give you twenty six million or twenty seven
million a year, six one, fifty six, well now we're
gonna give you thirty a year, thirty one a year,
or thirty one or two for one year.

Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Most likely.

Speaker 5 (01:32:16):
The other obvious question here goes back to what I
was talking about with the tax threshold. If the Astros
are holding the door ajar, then they're paying that tax.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
You can't have it both ways.

Speaker 6 (01:32:28):
And that's the unfortunate part of it's the last guy
you look at. It's what the Warriors had done all
these years. Will Klay Thompson if you really if you
sign him, you're not really paying him twenty nine million,
you're paying forty seven million because he puts you over
the tax. Well, Alex is the player that's clearly putting
them over the teams Klay Thompson, So you're it's not

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costing you thirty one million to sign him. It's costing
you whatever the CBT penalty becomes on top of the
thirty one million.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Is breakman Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 6 (01:33:00):
To describe Jimmy Butler's situation as he wants a new
contract and the team he currently plays for is not
interested in giving it to him for the future of
his career. He's under contract now, but he wants he
wants a new contract for his future. So he doesn't
want to play out the year there because it doesn't
give him an opportunity to show off, doesn't give him
an opportunity to show out as a big part of something.

Speaker 5 (01:33:22):
Great, especially when they keep suspending him well, because I'm
talking about the heat.

Speaker 6 (01:33:27):
If he stays on the Heat and plays and isn't suspended,
his forecast is a play in game or two, a
round of playoffs, or none, in which what is he
doing but not what he did when he got there.
I think he'll do He's even every postseason he's been
there with the Heat. As long as he's been healthy,
he's been awesome, and I don't doubt he wouldn't be again.
But I don't think they can win even US series,

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So that means his playoff ride becomes extremely short. He
can't show off, he can't prove to the other gms.
I can still play and when it comes down to it,
when you need me to play my best, that's exactly
what I do. It's what he always done, and he
wants to show that again. I don't think he thinks
he can do that with the Heat. That's why he's
forcing his way out. I think he thinks there's a
better opportunity to do it with other teams, Phoenix being

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one of.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
Them, the only one that he thinks right now.

Speaker 6 (01:34:13):
I'm curious what he thinks about these, like, does he
really believe in Houston he could shine now? I know
he thinks they can win because they might be able
to win without a Jimmy Butler trade. They still maintain
the two spot in the West. You know, they'd be
playing the best of the playing teams, so to speak,
if they were in that spot.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
Or so ten times better defensively than Phoenix is going
to be right.

Speaker 6 (01:34:34):
The Phoenix trade, by the way, the one for Nick
Williams that didn't really Nick Richards. They kept Mark Williams,
but Nick Richards from Charlotte. Nobody really paid much attention
to it. We did hear I said, I think the
fit's great. He's been insanely good in his three games there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
Now they're winning in three games. I don't think they've
quite fixed everything.

Speaker 6 (01:34:56):
They are still. That's why they made the deal the
other day with the Jazz. It was an effort to
get something that they that could help. That's why they
heat made the deal so they could get something together
the Suns. This is where it's happening. He I think
he's wrong, just like you do. But that's what I
think he believes. How about Sham need to go somewhere
else where I can show off again?

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Yeah, well, whatever the case.

Speaker 5 (01:35:17):
How about Sham saying that if that happens, that deal
it's going to take three, four, five different teams. That
seems way too convoluted for a thirty five year old
who's not as good as he used to be. That's
really expensive.

Speaker 6 (01:35:27):
But the other teams involved Mike still want to push
through because of how all they have to do is say, oh,
you want us to be a part of it, and
we don't really well just give us this and we'll
help you out.

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
So this is where the Rockets could maybe strike and
get something they need at a much much lower cost
because there's other teams involved. Just something to think about,
just saying, because it is something to keep an eye
on as the trade deadline is coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
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Our boy.

Speaker 5 (01:36:14):
Jared, you know these Space City Sports account on Twitter
x whatever he photoshopped Altuve.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
This is so stupid. You know what, Jared, you're getting this.
I'm doing this for you.

Speaker 5 (01:36:28):
This is Altuve launching himself through the scoreboard in his
first inning and left field because he's too small.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
I don't if the camera can get this.

Speaker 6 (01:36:36):
You mean he's running to catch a ball. That's he's
got to dive. Oh he's got to go back on
the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
Is he going through a panel in the score got it?
He's the best.

Speaker 6 (01:36:47):
Did he make the catch? Of course he did, He's Altuve.
Now did he poke back through a different hole and
hold the ball up? That would be that would be
an Altuve.

Speaker 5 (01:36:55):
You know what's funny about this particular photoshop Texas and
Oakland in the third inning of that game, and he
crashed through the top of that inning. On the Texas
side of things, they're playing in Oakland, which isn't even
accurate anymore because they don't play there, has to say Sacramento.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
That would have taken even more photo shopping.

Speaker 5 (01:37:12):
Is that, by the way, when the Oakland whatever they're
called Las Vegas, sacrament what do they put there this year?
Is it going to say sac I would think so,
Like that's going to be a collector's item, Sacramento a's gear.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
How many games are they playing?

Speaker 6 (01:37:28):
Might be careful or clever with how much they produce,
Like we want do we want to put Sacramento on
our gear? I mean it might be on the if
the players are wearing it, then yes, Like this is
the market. Can't they just go with as much a's
and athletics as possible.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
And just not have a city name on there?

Speaker 6 (01:37:49):
Like think about how we consider the Raiders right now.
We know they're in Las Vegas, we know there's an LVG.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
I would need the building.

Speaker 6 (01:37:55):
I have to I'll be going later again this year,
But we don't think of them as Las Vegas the
way that we would if they had been there for
twenty years. We think they're the Raiders, just like I
think the A's will be the A's until their final
resting spot is known, which we still believe.

Speaker 5 (01:38:09):
ISAs final resting spot. They're not dead, theyre's moving cities.
How long did it take you to get used to
the Thunder being the former Sonics? I feel like that
one was. It didn't take that long for whatever reason.

Speaker 6 (01:38:22):
Because every part of it changed. The Seattle Sonics became
the Oklahoma City Thunder. They weren't the Oklahoma City or
the Seattle Thunder.

Speaker 5 (01:38:33):
Yeah, they didn't do something stupid like the Jazz when
they moved from New Orleans to Utah.

Speaker 6 (01:38:39):
Well even the Charlotte Hornet Bobcat New Orleans Hornets, I
got those confused all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:38:47):
Well, by the way, did you see who was tweeting
after the game last night? Which game the UH Rockets
beat Donovan Mitchell and the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Speaker 6 (01:38:58):
Yeah, I know where Donovan Mitchell used to play, So
now I know who was tweeting about the game afterwards.
Right there on the X platform, he was posting, I'm
gonna go with Mad Max, that was.

Speaker 5 (01:39:07):
A heartbreaking loss for the Cavs. If you're wondering why
Donovan Mitchell was in such good spirits after the game,
he told me, as long as he isn't in Utah anymore,
he will always have a reason to smile.

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
If you remember.

Speaker 6 (01:39:19):
As funny as it is hearing it from Max's hilarious
hatred for Utah, it's the best, purely from a basketball standpoint,
the second he left. I said it then and it's
clearly proven to be true. Every the best player he
ever played with in Minnesota wouldn't hold a candle to
the best players he's gonna play with in Cleveland. He
has a chance to win because of his teammates. Finally,

(01:39:43):
he was, by the way awful last night. The last
miss was his fourteenth in twenty one shots last night
against the Rockets. And I do think the Rockets and
I'm and Thompson had a lot to.

Speaker 8 (01:39:53):
Do with that.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
Got to say who was his primary defender.

Speaker 6 (01:39:55):
So Donovan Mitchell went seven for twenty one acorro LeVert
and went zero for zero and they had the lead
throughout the final five minutes against the Rockets.

Speaker 5 (01:40:05):
Why the Rockets because giving the ball to them. You
can't have a really good coach and a really good
talented team.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
You're you're sleeping.

Speaker 5 (01:40:14):
On one other aspect, they didn't get second chance points
last night. It was a category that was renamed third
chance points. They got two offensive rebounds on every possession
down the floor. I was like, stop, like you can
somebody grab a rebound. This is where like Jabari Smith
probably has missed a little bit because in conjunction with
whoever else is out there, the Rockets are just a

(01:40:35):
slightly well, they're a much better rebounding team because they've
been at the top of the league for most of
the season.

Speaker 6 (01:40:40):
Yeah, they've seen that dip. Yeah, I'm a little surprised,
and I guess some of it has to do with
how well they shoot. Clearly on the offensive end, we're
talking about rebounding.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
They shoot so well.

Speaker 6 (01:40:50):
All their percentages essentially are top five. It makes it
a little difficult to be near the top and offensive rebounds. Now,
offensive rebound percentage, maybe you could be a little bit better,
but the Rockets are essentially the best rebounding team in
the league, the offensive rebounding team in the league, and
the Cavs aren't even close. They're not a good rebounding team.
If you're going by the numbers, and with MOBILEI not

(01:41:13):
on the court, they should be an even worse rebounding team,
even with more minutes for a guy who's out there
to do only one thing, two things, foul and rebound.
Tristan Thompson. Yeah, it was a huge The Rockets won
last night. This just in Now we're going to tell
you why they didn't win. How that was impossible for
them to win. They gave up a billion second chance points,
a billion offensive rebounds, and turn the ball over all

(01:41:35):
night long.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
How did they win?

Speaker 6 (01:41:39):
They shot a much higher percentage from three point land
than usual, much higher.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
Yeah, forty four percent. That's like Les, a ninety percent
free throw shooter.

Speaker 6 (01:41:48):
Went three four to eight at the free throw line,
including hitting only one of three down two final five seconds.

Speaker 5 (01:41:57):
Both teams missed six free throws. The difference was Darius
Garland missed four of those and they came on two trips.

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
Down the stream.

Speaker 6 (01:42:05):
It's five overall in the game the Rockets were You'd
think Craig Ackerman was calling games for Rockets' opponents because
their free throw shooting in the last about four weeks awful,
worse than I'll look I bet your last twelve. Yes,
he's aware, and what's even better, everybody else is aware.

(01:42:26):
He doesn't say what he's talking about. He doesn't say
it during the game. What he's talking about, I'll do it,
But he is. Again, I could not look. I did
a Gary Kubiak last night on the air. I even
said I was doing it. I turned away when Alpi
hit those shot, those two free throws.

Speaker 7 (01:42:41):
You did not I did.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
But good luck?

Speaker 6 (01:42:45):
I mean, garrettn't have to call the game. Gary just
has to walk back to the locker room. You're on
the mic.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
I don't know. Hey what a shot?

Speaker 6 (01:42:51):
Huh?

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
I don't know. I didn't see it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:53):
One, I'm not the play by play guy. And two
I can hear the crowd. I can tell what happens.
It's an NBA arena.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
I believe what happened on that shot. Uh, it went in,
I heard the crowd.

Speaker 6 (01:43:04):
No, went off the backboard, hit the front rim, bounced
off the side of the backboard, spun around, it went in,
came back out again, and then finally dropped.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
Yeah, that's what I meant to say.

Speaker 5 (01:43:12):
Same difference semantics, right, I guess yeah. I well because
and it was because, particularly here in the month of January,
he's been awful, and especially in crunch time, like five
minutes on, I don't want to see alprinschingun going to
the foul line, and last night I didn't want to
see it then, but he sat there and calmly sunk
those two and it's you don't you don't win the

(01:43:34):
Those were the last points of the game that the
Rockets scored. Nobody even thinks about that because of everything
that was going on or surrounding it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
That was it. So yeah, it was I've, like.

Speaker 5 (01:43:43):
I said, I know, you couldn't believe this, by the way,
the Rockets scored fifteen points in the fourth quarter and
won that game.

Speaker 8 (01:43:51):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (01:43:51):
I just everything about that is to this is like
the opposite of the Texans the other day. They dominated
in every single category except for they lost. So like,
they outrushed them, they outpassed them, they outpossessed them, they
did everything.

Speaker 3 (01:44:05):
They outpossessed them. They did a lot. Yeah, but they
also were even in the turnover battle. Yeah, zero zero
not helpful.

Speaker 5 (01:44:12):
Well, you can't get four takeaways every week in the playoffs,
just the first one.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
Just the first one.

Speaker 6 (01:44:19):
The Texans were a plus one against the Chargers because
they gave it away three times. They were obviously zero
in the second game, so they finished the first game
of them. They finished the postseason on the plus side
of turnover margin with a five hundred record. So there
are fourteen teams in the postseason. There are now four
teams in the postseason. You want to want to run

(01:44:42):
down that list of teams based on what their postseason
turnover margin is. Let's see if the teams at the
top are still playing. Washington's a plus six, they have
zero turnovers, Philadelphia plus six, zero turnovers, Buffalo plus three,
zero turnovers. Kansas City has zero turnovers also, but they

(01:45:04):
haven't gotten any in their one game.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Yeah, so they're the worst team left, like I said.

Speaker 6 (01:45:09):
And then right above them in turnover margin but not
playing anymore, You're Houston Texans, the only team that finished
the postseason with a positive turnover margin as of today
that's not still playing.

Speaker 5 (01:45:21):
Josh Allen, A nation turns its lonely eyes to you
to end this madness. I cannot see this again. I
don't want to see it. Nobody wants to see it.
Nobody is rooting for the Chiefs outside of Kansas City.
They've become what we knew they all would. We all
knew that they would eventually. It happens to all the
great teams. It happened to the Astros. They're the Evil Empire.

(01:45:45):
The difference being one team had a cheating scandal and
the other team has a soccer player playing quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
He flops. You can't use the word cheating with both teams.
He did try to cheat. Like people talk about the
Braves like they cheated the Patriots. Well, no twice.

Speaker 6 (01:46:01):
That's different. They actually did did cheat. What the Chiefs
are doing and what the Braves are doing is the
same form of cheating. It's really hard to blame the team.
But the Braves had a massive home plate provided they
were pitching, got all the calls these ridiculous as they
plays Greg Maddox, it just was insane. Well, the Chiefs
are doing the same thing. There's cheating going on. Many

(01:46:23):
people believe the narrative is such, but it's provided to
them by the officials who are bad at their jobs.
In both cases, the Bill Belichick, Tom Brady led Patriots
were playing outside the rules.

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
Yeah, they used cameras and deflated footballs. There's a difference.

Speaker 5 (01:46:36):
These guys are playing within the rules that the refs
have provided for them that are different from other teams.

Speaker 6 (01:46:41):
Chiefs point and a half favorites to land in the
Super Bowl, Eagles six point favorites to meet them there.
We'll talk about it more on Stone Cold Locks tomorrow.
At this very time, the age on Sports Talk seven ninety.
You know, you probably don't want anything deflated. Yeah, I
did it, I did the twelve year old thing.

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Speaker 10 (01:48:21):
I say it was? Who that.

Speaker 6 (01:48:27):
NFL coaching hires continue. Aaron Glenn is the new head
coach the New York Jets. Mike rabel is the new
head coach of the New England Patriots. So that division
is all set until Mike McDaniel gets fired during the
upcoming season, quite possibly thanks Sean McDermott is okay, though

(01:48:48):
he was not on the finalist list. Four Coach of
the Year just a new very good job with the
second best team in the AFC of the Year finalists
this year.

Speaker 3 (01:49:01):
According to the AP.

Speaker 6 (01:49:02):
They hand out the awards that we pretty much lean
on as our official football awards. Dan Campbell, Kevin O'Connell,
Sean Payton, Dan Quinn, and Andy Reid. Interesting in that
Andy Reid and Dan Campbell had the two number one
seeds and their quarterbacks were previous Super Bowl quarterbacks Jared

(01:49:23):
Goff and Pat Mahomes. They have a good quarterback, They're
probably gonna win a bunch of games.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
They have a good coach.

Speaker 6 (01:49:28):
They were so recognized the other three Dan Quinn had
a rookie quarterback, Sean Payton had a rookie quarterback. Kevin
O'Connell was supposed to have a rookie quarterback. Said he
got Sam Darnold and is now gott has now gotten
his extension.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
My what's up with that?

Speaker 6 (01:49:48):
As it relates to the awards, finalist five finalists announced
for each of the awards MVP Defensive an Offensive Player
of the Year, Defensive an Offense is Rookie of the Year,
Comeback Player the Year, Coach of the Year, and Assistant
Coach of the Year. Two of the Assistant Coach of
the Year candidates are no longer assistant coaches because they've

(01:50:08):
been hired as head coaches Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn,
Brian Flores, mcfanjo Joe Brady, the other three assistant Coach
of the Year candidates. Brady still getting interviews, same four
Brian Flores. So the MVPs, you probably could guess the
five finalists Lamar yes.

Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
Josh yes, Saquon Barkley Yes, Sam Darnold. You can guess
three of the five. Joe Burrow.

Speaker 6 (01:50:42):
Joe Burrow great season was always in the conversation to
see if you can finish, Jared fourth or fifth, which
is where he will finish, and Jared Goff. Those the five,
Jared Goff, I should have guessed that's most valuable player.
All of them play offense, yep. The eighth Offensetive Player
of the Year finalists include Lamar Jackson and Saquon Barkley

(01:51:05):
and Joe Burrow, but not the other two candidates, Jamar
Chase and Derrick Henry make the cut for Offensive Player
of the Year. Not Josh Allen and not Jared Goff.
Did they stop playing offense in between getting named the
MVP finalists?

Speaker 5 (01:51:22):
But you know what the MVP is, it's the best quarterback.
So tak One's just there for so for window dress,
Josh Allen is going to lose barely to Lamar Jackson
for MVP. Yeah, and then he's going to finish no
better than sixth for Offensive Player of the Year, right
while Lamar Jackson might win both.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
Yes or one and not the other. Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:51:44):
See this is why in the only league that does
it even dumber is the NBA. As I've gone over
a million times on this show and others.

Speaker 6 (01:51:51):
Well, they're a little stuck because the MVP award is
not available to both sides of the football. If you
play the defense, you can't win. You can't even be
among the five finalist in twenty twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:52:01):
Can win the MVP, the Defensive Player of the Year
and finals MVP. If you're one man you can.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
Now.

Speaker 6 (01:52:08):
I only bring the one other category up, Defensive Player
of birth day dream among rookies. He was also born
on Tuesday, same as Ryan Great birthday. We had a
great conversation yesterday with Fran Brown, Syracuse head coach. Some
of it was about how awesome Kamari Lassiter is. He
coached him at Georgia and talked a really good amount

(01:52:31):
about him, his family, and everything about him.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
He kind of liked to practice.

Speaker 6 (01:52:34):
If you missed that yesterday, extremely entertaining conversation about coach
Fran Brown and coach Kirby Smart trying to keep a
not one Kamari Laster off of the practice field.

Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
Didn't go as planned.

Speaker 6 (01:52:48):
So if you missed that, catch that via our show
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We know what kind of year he had, We know
what kind of year Kalin Bullock had. Both of them
could have had a case to be on this list

(01:53:09):
of five. Jared Vers is going to win and should.
His teammate Brandon Fisk was also awesome. Thought there was
a chance the Texans would be in the mix for
him in the second round, but Texans knew what they
were doing on the interior of their defensive line.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
They did just fine.

Speaker 6 (01:53:24):
Chop Robinson, who was really good against Houston and really
good the final twelve thirteen games of the season, and
then both early picks in the secondary for the Eagles
made the list Cooper de Jean and Quinjon Mitchell, and
I think they had great seasons and I think there's
a reason why the Eagles defense is playing the way
they are and this deep end of the postseason because

(01:53:44):
of it. Man, there are a lot of metrics out
there and a lot of eyeballs that watched what either
block or Kamari Lassiter, And maybe Lasser is the better
comp because he plays as they do on the edges
at corner like man, he he just he was better.
He was better than I think both of them, let
alone one of them and was not among those players

(01:54:07):
doesn't play in Philadelphia, did play on an awesome defense.
And if you watch what happened in the Texans two
postseason games, they locked down everybody on the Chargers other
than McConkey, who everybody had a chance to defend different
points in time, but Stingley much more than Lassiter. Lasar
picked off the deep ball to Quinton Johnston and nobody

(01:54:28):
else did a darn thing. And then against Kansas City
they barely even targeted their wide receivers. Granted I think
they knew what they were doing. This is where the
advantage is and they keep showing us. Yeah, they keep
not covering Travis Kelcey. Why should I throw it to
a covered Marque's Brown With a defense as good as
that defense. It's it's almost inherent in the matchup that

(01:54:49):
it's a matchup mismatch. We don't care who you are.
He's going to That's why he's so good. It's going
to be a matchup nightmare. Well, he's there's nobody around him.
Of course he's going to be good. I could be
good with coverage, but he is like the one catching
out against Miles Bryant. You're not likely to find anybody
that's gonna handle that backpedal, hip turn and defensive work

(01:55:10):
like Bryant. And he was still essentially wide open, and
he didn't play it poorly, he didn't get worked. It's
just very very difficult with you know, defending tight ends
in general, with who's usually asked to do that. He's
just really, really good. So I think there's something to
be said for those two players. But there's a coaching
hire in Chicago for the second time with a new quarterback,

(01:55:34):
very new second year for Caleb Williams. So a couple
of years ago they hired Matty Erfliss and this is
what Dan R. Lobsky had to say about that hire
when he was curious how it would fit defensive coach,
young quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:55:47):
I love the hire.

Speaker 8 (01:55:47):
If he brings an offensive coordinator with him, that's very good.
And that's the million dollar question for me. Molly, like
head coach, that matter is obviously I would have gone
more offensive as a head coach, just because the development
of Justin Field is going to be tremendously important to
their success. Matt Eedbert Flush has got a track record
of being a really good coach, really good communicator. He's

(01:56:08):
produced very high end defenses. Cool, who's your offensive coordinator?
That's all I care about right now with Chicago.

Speaker 3 (01:56:16):
Cool, who's your offensive coordinator? That's all I care about.

Speaker 6 (01:56:19):
He was super clear about how he felt the best
way to put a team together that has the guy,
the young quarterback in place that needs work that we
need to make sure this works. We've got to put
a group around him that's going to help that player
make it work.

Speaker 3 (01:56:39):
This was a couple of seasons ago. This is prior
to twenty twenty two.

Speaker 6 (01:56:41):
Now we're prior to twenty twenty five, three years later,
same quarterback situation.

Speaker 3 (01:56:46):
Surely will heresh similarly from Dan Orlowski. We'll have to
see that.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
I mean the ad on Sports Talk seven ninety back
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Speaker 7 (01:57:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:57:09):
We got a couple of things to get to here.

Speaker 6 (01:57:11):
Obviously we left you hanging with well, if Danny Orlovski
thought this was the way to go three years ago,
and he basically the exact same situation, he certainly would
think the same thing three years later for the Bears,
who have obviously hired Ben Johnson. Also want to get
you a couple of different Major League Baseball notes, one

(01:57:32):
of which is definitely an Astro's related note.

Speaker 3 (01:57:36):
So we'll do that first. Then we'll get to Danie Orolovsky.
A lot of Nightingale talk today.

Speaker 6 (01:57:42):
David O'Brien of the covers the Atlanta Braves and has
for a long long time. He now works for the
Athletic He's the one who's got the deats on the
free agent signing for the Atlanta Braves. One of the
best players left in free agency.

Speaker 3 (01:57:58):
But it's not Pete Alonzo and it's not Alex.

Speaker 6 (01:58:00):
What position does he play? He plays a number of positions,
but probably outfield. Jerkson Profar three years, forty two million
bucks to go play for the Atlanta Braves. Had a
really strong season this past year, his best season for
the Padres. Long a super prospect but never really materialized
with the Rangers, and now has turned it into a

(01:58:21):
pretty nice offseason. Might have been expecting more or more years,
but fourteen million a year over three years to play
for an awesome team who has a really good chance
of winning. Astro's related news began about ten minutes ago
when the previously mentioned Bob Nightingale, as per usual, believes
he's got the story and it may turn out to
be that way, but it doesn't look like it. Writes

(01:58:43):
it a post in a way that suggests I'm going
to be credited with being first if it happens, but
I'm not telling you it's happening, he wrote. The Cubs
are on the verge of acquiring Astro's closer reliever, Ian Presley.
Like I said, it was about ten minutes ago. We

(01:59:03):
have a group of people that are in the hopper
of hold on a second. What are they saying, Wait
a minute, Bob Nightingale, John Hayman, maybe a few others
are in that basket of I'm not so sure, especially
the way you like to report it, in the manner
I just read.

Speaker 3 (01:59:19):
And then there's a group of people.

Speaker 6 (01:59:22):
Jeff and Ken are in this group, Jeff Passing and
Ken Rosenthal, and there's a few others. If it's been
six seven, eight, nine minutes and they haven't said one
word about it, probably there's a reason for it. And
someone who has broken many stories of the last couple
of months with Ken Rosenthal, Chandler Rome our good friend
of the athletic. Just a few minutes ago Houston Astros

(01:59:44):
set up man Ryan Presley has not waved his no
trade clause. Sources tell the athletic teams have checked in,
but he has not waved his no trade clause.

Speaker 3 (01:59:54):
He is a member of the Astros.

Speaker 6 (01:59:56):
Doesn't mean he won't, doesn't mean there isn't an opportunity
that he would wave it for. Might be the Cubs,
but it also in this instance might definitely not be
the Cubs. And the idea that teams have checked in.
Chandler has constantly reported that over the last several weeks
they've asked the Astros obviously are willing to listen. I'm

(02:00:16):
sure that from a payroll standpoint, this would do something
for them that would help them certainly as it relates
to how close they are to barely being over or
maybe slightly being under the.

Speaker 3 (02:00:25):
CBT as we sit here today. And yeah, they would.

Speaker 6 (02:00:29):
I'm sure they would entertain having a different seventh inning
reliever in front of Brian Obrew and Josh Hater if
it made sense.

Speaker 5 (02:00:38):
The funniest part about Nightingale's tweet is that he makes
no mention of the no trade clause, which is kind
of the most important aspect of this whole thing.

Speaker 3 (02:00:46):
You can't trade this guy unless he says so. Well.

Speaker 6 (02:00:49):
We can also take it back to a deal that
was discussed with the Astros already this offseason and a
no trade clause this offseason with Nolan Aeronado. Basically, it
was how close were they rounding third, were they're at
the one foot line? Were they hovering over the rim?

(02:01:10):
The deal was pretty much, here's who you're getting, and
here's the money that needs to exchange hands, and here's
the part of Aeronado's deal that we're taking on. But
the no trade clause was not waived. They basically put
the parameters of a deal together so that might also
mean this is where things on the verge could mean
the last hurdle is the no trade clause, or they've

(02:01:31):
gotten far and off along in discussions that they now
know Well, if we don't get this, why did we
waste our time?

Speaker 5 (02:01:37):
And the Astros would be getting prospects in all likelihoods.

Speaker 3 (02:01:41):
This is not like any other sort of deal.

Speaker 5 (02:01:43):
I imagine they asked for Kyle Tucker but probably were rebust. Well,
the Chicago should reconsider, they really should.

Speaker 6 (02:01:50):
I don't think there'd be I mean someone like Hayden
was Neski, a twenty third, fourth, fifth, sixth player on
the roster, maybe is somebody that could acquire in a
deal regarding press, but yes, otherwise it's more likely to
be somebody in their prospect path.

Speaker 12 (02:02:05):
It's just.

Speaker 3 (02:02:08):
He is.

Speaker 5 (02:02:09):
He's such an enigma because this guy was on the
mound when they clinched in twenty two, and then the
haters signing to me.

Speaker 3 (02:02:19):
Just was so.

Speaker 5 (02:02:21):
It wasn't messy because they notified of him. Supposedly, all
the conversations that needed to take place took place, but
yet it didn't it fill to you, like it just
lingered all last season.

Speaker 6 (02:02:33):
I think that's the easy thing way to say, and
I'm not Ryan Presley, so I can't tell you. I
do know what's been reported on. I don't know what
sources were indicating about the whole thing. But I also
think it'd be foolish to say, yeah, coming off the
twenty twenty three season, of course Ryan Presley is going
to go back out there in twenty twenty four, and
being a top flight closer twenty twenty three did not

(02:02:54):
indicate that that would be the case. I'm not saying
they had to go get hater, because that's still I
think was a move they probably there's a better way
to put this team together. Good player also had his
bad moments last year, but there were signs of wanting
somebody else maybe to be your last person pitching, not
be Ryan Presley in twenty twenty three, even though he

(02:03:14):
was still elite as a postseason performer, just unbelievably trustworthy.
The peripherals, the some of the additional numbers and you know,
hard hit aloud and velocities, different things about how he
was throwing the ball in twenty twenty three at age
thirty four, at age thirty five, I think we could
see some of those things at play. He had zero

(02:03:36):
seasons with an AAR over two in the threes with
the Astros until each of the last two seasons he
had a three fifty eighty or I take it back
the COVID year. I usually throw that out.

Speaker 5 (02:03:47):
We all should every player talked about By the way,
Chandlers quoted his own tweet and just added he basically
said what we're talking about, right, just to for clarity,
since you know, I do like to go to his
timeline and the likes of you know, Brian McTaggart when
stuff like this is being discussed.

Speaker 6 (02:04:05):
Yeah, I don't want to make it out like he's
not a good relief pitcher, but I think we could
see a lot of times last year why you felt
more comfortable pitching him while you still had times at
that remaining.

Speaker 5 (02:04:18):
What do you think about hater moving forward though? Like
why why do you think the struggles happened when they did.
Is that just simply a symptom or a occupational hazard
of being what he is? Or did it feel like
sometimes it was like, Okay, well this isn't eighty six

(02:04:38):
million dollars worth or whatever he signed for.

Speaker 6 (02:04:40):
I think they're in four more of the same, and
maybe I said in four makes it sound even worse. Well,
that's why, you know, a save situation, he was pretty
good and he was willing to give them more in
some of those situations, you know, more than a lot
of times that was successful too. But too many games

(02:05:00):
where he wasn't throwing strikes. Too many games where you're
gonna throw your fastball right over the heart of the play, right, Okay,
well I'm going to hit it over the fence. You
could argue he had his worst season as a closer. Yeah,
I mean, I know the twenty twenty two season probably saying.

Speaker 9 (02:05:16):
Hey, what about me?

Speaker 3 (02:05:18):
I was awful. His worst season is a closer when
he only pitched for one team? How about that?

Speaker 6 (02:05:22):
And he was only pitching one any Yep. But there
are a lot of things about that. Again, same thing
I would say about Presley. There's a lot of things
the peripherals, some of the other numbers that aren't the
here's his ra here's his win loss, here's his saves
and save opportunities. That suggests what we saw last year
is probably in the next several years of his contract

(02:05:43):
as he pushes into his thirties. Now, as that's where
he is. He'll pitch most of next season at age
thirty one. Football at five comes next. So the full
story on dan Orlowski.

Speaker 7 (02:05:55):
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Speaker 1 (02:06:02):
Two lifelong Houston sports guys named Adam Talking your Teams,
Adam Clinton and Adam Wexler are the A Team A team.

Speaker 6 (02:06:21):
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mentioned dan Orlowski a couple segments ago and that we
would get back to the other side of that, which

(02:06:43):
we will do after we push that story a second
time since as discussed yesterday on the A Team early
in the show and then again during the five o'clock hour,
the Jaguars are awesome. Love having them in this division.
It's final nominal for the Texans, whether it's to get
one or two wins or certainly to see a team

(02:07:04):
behind you in the standings, which is where they were
this year and where they were last year and where
they were likely be on into the immediate future. Thought
this might happen and only the Jaguars could pull this off.
They appeared to be making progress with Buccaneers offensive coordinator
Liam Cohen on potentially being their next head coach.

Speaker 3 (02:07:24):
Brought him in for the second interview.

Speaker 6 (02:07:26):
Wanted to do so, and he said, I don't think so,
and the reports were in conventional wisdom.

Speaker 3 (02:07:31):
Was, well, I know what it's like there.

Speaker 6 (02:07:33):
I already talked to you guys, and I know what
we could do there, and I'm excited to be there
if I don't have to work alongside or underneath or
anywhere near your current GM. Trent Balke in the five
o'clock hour yesterday, I mentioned quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (02:07:47):
He sat there in a zoom. The owner with the
GM in the same zoom, asked.

Speaker 6 (02:07:52):
About, well, if a prospective head coach or somebody who
sat down with kind of explained how they'd like to
do things here and maybe wanted to change how things
were run or who was involved in how things were run, you.

Speaker 3 (02:08:04):
Know, how would you treat that? He basically said, I'd
have to listen to him.

Speaker 6 (02:08:08):
I'd have to, you know, consider what he was saying,
essentially saying, yeah, the guy's sitting here in the same
zoom with me. Yeah, I would cut him loose if
that's what's gonna get us the coach that I believe him,
believed in. And then Colin said, no, I don't want
to be here, and then he signed a pretty lucrative
multi year extension with the Bucks to stay there to
work with Baker Mayfield. And now in the last few minutes,

(02:08:29):
reports from both the NFL Network and The World Wide Leader,
Buccaneer's offensive coordinator Liam colemb is in Jacksonville meeting with
Jaguars head coach with the Jaguars about the head coaching position,
just after saying no to them, but before they got
rid of Trent balk later in the day only Jacksonville. Now,

(02:08:53):
at the end of the day, they'll probably I think
this to me indicates they'll probably reach an agreement. He'll
have a better idea of who they should hire, though
it won't be somebody he just worked with, because the
assistant GM that was getting so much love this off season,
John Spytech, is going to go work for the Raiders
and work with Tom Brady, who worked with him in

(02:09:16):
Tampa Bay. They're pass cross at Michigan as players, but
worked with him in Tampa Bay where he's been the
assistant GM for a team that's done a pretty good job.
Bringing Tom Brady into a ready to win team, bringing
Baker Mayfield and others in drafting Bucky Irving, for instance,
I bring in Bucky Irving so I can mention this
nugget heading into this weekend. The only rookie to outrush
Jaden Daniels this year, Bucky Irving. That's how good Jaden

(02:09:40):
Daniels has been this year. But Cohen potentially saying now
no to the Bucks to be the highest paid oc
and yes to the Jaguars to be among I'm sure
the highest paid coaches. And instead of working with Baker
Mayfield and his forty plus touchdowns, he'll get to work
with Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 3 (02:09:58):
What do you think Trent Balki's thinking right now? I
can't believe he kept me for so long.

Speaker 6 (02:10:03):
I'm totally ready for my next gig, if there is one,
because I've seen the writing on the wall, on every
wall in this building since urban Meyer was.

Speaker 3 (02:10:13):
Here, so and we actually just got this this tweet
in the exact same thing.

Speaker 5 (02:10:20):
I was thinking, Trey is like, after seeing what he
allows Tony Kahan to do with AW, it's clear JAG's
owner has shot con has no idea what he's doing.
And when I see this situation going the way it's going,
and you know, urban Meyer not that long ago. It

(02:10:41):
was like what three years ago that urban Meyer was
their head coach, right, and then everything that's happened, and
then I see how AW is run. It's it's the
same family, and it just feels like everything is disoriented
and messy and convoluted.

Speaker 6 (02:10:58):
And and then in this case, while they've created this situation,
you know, hiring Doug Peterson, firing Doug Peterson, keeping Balki,
they've created some of this. But everybody in the industry,
every other owner, everybody who's covering the NFL sees what
they don't see. No, how can you like what your
product is, the personnel that you have, your roster, you

(02:11:21):
do though he said this before the year started, we're
ready to win.

Speaker 5 (02:11:25):
Now.

Speaker 6 (02:11:26):
This is the best roster we've had. This is the
best team we've had. This is the best coaching staff
we've had. This is what the owner told the team
in the off season, before the season began. This team
is ready to win. So he clearly thinks Trent Balki
put a good team on the field, so good that
Doug Peterson had to be fired because look what he
did with this good roster. Right, That's why he was,

(02:11:48):
I guess, reluctant to do what everybody else saw as
the obvious decision. You need a new GM, you need
somebody else in charge of your personnel.

Speaker 3 (02:11:57):
This is why I was.

Speaker 5 (02:11:58):
Still stunned when Tamiko Ryan said yes to the Texans,
not because they had already made roster to win. Obviously,
they had to do a lot of that in year
one of his partnership with Nick Cassario, and they managed
to do that, but it just felt like so many
things were dysfunctional or duct taped together or convoluted, you know,

(02:12:21):
And it's just.

Speaker 3 (02:12:22):
He said yes to the Texans much in the same
way that Aaron Glenn said yes to the Jets. I'm
going to turn this culture around. It's my team, right,
this might be somewhat of a dream team for me
to coach.

Speaker 5 (02:12:32):
The difference being they didn't have that franchise quarterback in
place yet, although they would get him in the offseason.

Speaker 3 (02:12:37):
They had the opportunity, they didn't have him.

Speaker 6 (02:12:39):
The Jets don't because they're picking seventh, probably, but the
other part of it, Trevor Lawrence isn't probably not.

Speaker 3 (02:12:45):
The Jets need a new GM.

Speaker 6 (02:12:47):
Also, this was off season they've got rid of both,
and the Texans already had. He was being hired by
a guy going into his third year as the general manager.
That's different than what's happening for Glenn in New York. Obviously,
hard to put a lot of faith in the product
because Nick Cassario was the GM of two of the
worst teams in team history, the only two teams he'd

(02:13:08):
ever been a GM for.

Speaker 3 (02:13:10):
But that wasn't his primary job when he got here.
That's why looking at you gotta be a little bit
bigger picture to it.

Speaker 6 (02:13:15):
You know, there we weren't. I wasn't trying to sign
players that were gonna help us win. Now I was
drafting players I thought would help us win, and I
was up against it in year one when I wasn't
drafting until I could say, send Davis Mills' card in
because they didn't have any first or second round picks,
but they managed to find a Pro Bowl player in
his first year, Nico Collins. They found arguably the best

(02:13:40):
cornerback in the NFL in his next year, which was
followed by a massive losing season. In both cases, but
Derrick Singley Junior and obviously Nico Collins were drafted prior
to Nico's arrival by the guy that was hiring.

Speaker 5 (02:13:53):
This is why the offensive line kills me even more.
How can this guy who has nailed all of these
personnel moves. I mean, I know it's easier to say
it than actually to do it. In the instance of drafting,
always give them credit.

Speaker 6 (02:14:09):
Always like the GM we're talking about, Yeah, I think
we should let's go with Treyvon Walker the the Lion's
can have Aiden Hutchinson. Again, Walker's good, He's just not
better than the guy you passed on at the same position.
So right, it's not a real It doesn't seem like
an awesome decision the Texans drafting any of the players.
We want to mention how they orchestrated the Shroud Anderson draft,
how they drafted the two players we just mentioned. The

(02:14:31):
credit has to be given signing Daniel Hunter and hoping
he would play.

Speaker 3 (02:14:35):
Well, that's a no.

Speaker 6 (02:14:37):
I mean, you spent the month, you're gonna get a
great player. I think the same is true with Al Shaier.
Some might come off of this last game and say,
why don't you just keep Brian cash Or Yeah, his
first name is Brian, isn't.

Speaker 3 (02:14:50):
It you're saying you Now you have me thinking Brian Cashman, Yeah,
say it. I can't.

Speaker 6 (02:14:56):
He plays linebacker for the Texans. Now I've got Brian
Kashman in my head, the linebacker the Yankees. He plays
linebacker for the Vikings. Now, Brian Cashman. They may have
just kept him, right, I'm not gonna think of it now,
So you could argue that, But then you got to
go back to the draft at anywhere but offensive line.

Speaker 3 (02:15:15):
They were the team.

Speaker 6 (02:15:17):
Everybody's on the board, but the first forty one players drafted.
They drafted Kamari Laster, they drafted Kaylin Bullock, they drafted
Henry Toatoe. Even later in the previous year, these things
have worked out well. But they've drafted Patterson Scruggs, Kenyon Green,
and Blake Fisher over the past three drafts. You don't
know you have found a permanent starter in any of them. No,

(02:15:42):
and that's your only the only answer you have about
any of those four is the guy you drafted highest,
and he can't play for you. You can't start or
use Kenyan Green. He's drafted fifteenth overall. You probably overdrafted
Scrugs in the second round. You've probably found Patterson in
the sixth round, and at least the jury's out on
a guy who only played at the end of the year,

(02:16:03):
but probably pretty well Blake Fisher in the second round.
I'd feel best about him, but feel worse about the
guy you put the most effort into. This is a
game changing offensive lineman, big fat miss.

Speaker 5 (02:16:16):
Is that as simple as the scouts got it wrong
or the scouting department for that particular position group.

Speaker 3 (02:16:22):
It's probably ayes and b.

Speaker 6 (02:16:25):
Did you really need an offensive lineman, an interior offensive
lineman with a fifteenth pick and that particular draft class,
or could you have not just said, well, we'll just
take Kyle Hamilton because he's clearly the best player on
the board, or we'll just take Jalen Carter because he's
the next best player on the board. For whatever you
wanted to put together and however you saw things. I'm
pretty sure they had a very high draft grade on Kyle.

(02:16:45):
They decided to trade back from thirteen to fifteen instead.
And those were the two players that went thirteen and fourteen,
so obviously they could have navigated their way to either
one of them. The other offensive interior offensive linemen that
were drafted close to Kenyan Green have both been better out.
I don't think they've been game changers, but both clearly better.
It was a bad, bad move from a how you

(02:17:06):
put it together?

Speaker 3 (02:17:07):
Your GM?

Speaker 6 (02:17:08):
What does he want to do? How does he want
to play the draft? And then it was a bad
move from who evaluated him at this high level.

Speaker 5 (02:17:15):
Speaking of bad moves, boy, do we have a doozy
for you when we come back. So what if I
were to tell you that there's another move the Jaguars
could make. It actually might be good for them, but
it's a move within the division. Guess who wants to
trade Trevor Lawrence within the division.

Speaker 3 (02:17:35):
We'll tell you who that is when we come back.

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Speaker 5 (02:18:59):
So I can't decide who this would benefit the least
I think is how I'm trying to say say this. So,
Dan Orlowski, who has been on the show in a
nordon amount of time today.

Speaker 6 (02:19:11):
And not even the amount of time I've teased because
I still can't get to the other part of his comment.

Speaker 3 (02:19:15):
But what else do you want to do it now? No,
I want to hear what more from you? And Dan
he wants to trade Trevor Lawrence. Where does he want
to trade Trevor Lawrence? I'll let him tell you add
the solution.

Speaker 8 (02:19:31):
Okay, if I were the Titans, I would call the
Jacksonville Jaguars and try to trade for Trevor Lawrence. And
if I was Trevor Lawrence, I would want the absolute
heck out.

Speaker 3 (02:19:39):
Of jackson I don't have no problem with that.

Speaker 8 (02:19:41):
I would want the absolute heck out of the mess.

Speaker 3 (02:19:43):
That is my challenge. Here's my problem with that, Dan,
be reasonable.

Speaker 7 (02:19:48):
I'm going to trade my quarterback within the division.

Speaker 8 (02:19:54):
If you're Jacksonville, first of all, if I'm Trevor Lawrence,
I am spurring this like if I want out of Jacksonville.

Speaker 3 (02:20:00):
And if you're Tennessee.

Speaker 8 (02:20:02):
Realistically, we're sitting here and we're trying to get all
this rebuilding. I would be one someone to tell you
I think Tennessee's got a decent football roster, better than
the first pick worthy type roster I Shador and I
haven't studied Shador and Cam well enough to make a
definitive statement on where exactly I think they might be
or whatnot. And Travis Hunter special, you don't matter and

(02:20:24):
at the conference unless you get a quarterback as special as.

Speaker 3 (02:20:30):
Sports so and you got to. We called it finally, So.

Speaker 5 (02:20:37):
We can't sit here and say he's not a franchise
quarterback and then say, hey, Titan, you should go get
this guy because there's not a franchise quarterback in this draft.

Speaker 6 (02:20:46):
I mean, we can say it because we want to
keep those teams being stupid and dumb and not winning.

Speaker 3 (02:20:50):
That part's obvious.

Speaker 5 (02:20:52):
But like, seriously, if you're looking at this draft and
you don't think there's a franchise quarterback in it. Then
you don't pound that situation by going and getting a expensive,
non franchise quarterback when you could just trade down and
wait it out. And I know I was saying this
about the Texans before I you know, knew that CJ.

(02:21:13):
Stroud was gonna be what he is, but just because
I wasn't all that in love with any of the
quarterbacks in that that draft.

Speaker 6 (02:21:20):
And I mean, well, turn the clock back, Texans, watch
Bryce Young go number one and then draft Will Anderson
at number two and move on into the twenty twenty
four draft as a team that went six and eleven.

Speaker 5 (02:21:33):
Right, That's probably what would have happened again and again
most they could have considered, Okay, we have the seventh pick,
we have the eighth pick.

Speaker 6 (02:21:41):
You know, probably Jayden Daniels and Caleber are off the board. Probably,
you know, are we in a position to trade up
for Drake May? Are we the team that takes Michael
Pennick junior? How do we feel about bow Nicks? Pretty
different quarterback draft pool available in twenty or JJ McCarthy
we never talked about because he didn't play right, All
those players would have been the quarterbacks you would be
the discussing for the Texans to have. And if the

(02:22:02):
Titans look at this draft with the number one pick
knowing that that guy at quarterback might not be the guy,
they could take cam Ward and find out unless they
feel like missing a missing out on say Abdulla Carter
would be not worth it or one of the other
defensive players that they really can't pass on to guess
on Ward. If that's how they feel or sayanders same thing,
then you just move forward. You're totally right.

Speaker 3 (02:22:23):
I mean you can't.

Speaker 6 (02:22:25):
I don't think you can possibly look at Trevor Lawrence's
NFL career and say, yeah, I know the answer. He's
a franchise quarterback. You might believe it, you might believe
in continuing with it, you might believe in trading for
that's all fine. And I don't think you can look
at his years in the NFL now and say, I
know what I have, I know we're going to win.
I know how good this guy is. I know he's
as good as everybody else that was in the playoffs

(02:22:47):
this last year. Think about Joe Burrow. He didn't make
the playoffs. He clearly outplayed Trevor Lawrence. You're gonna tell
me you're getting better than top eleven twelve quarterback play
from Trevor Lawrence, for sure. And you're gonna do that
with Tennessee's roster and Tennessee's head coach and Tennessee's offensive coordinator,
which I don't think they're changing even I.

Speaker 3 (02:23:04):
I mean, I appreciate Dan being on every show and
having to fill in.

Speaker 6 (02:23:08):
I could be talking about Dan Matthews filling in on
every show and needing to bring something to the table,
as ridiculous as it might be. I'm no longer talking
about you Dan here, but him there. That's what he's doing.
You know what, stephen A is trying to be nice
when he's telling him how ridiculous that is, because the
brand new GM in Tennessee is going to be acquiring

(02:23:32):
the quarterback from the brand new GM in Jacksonville.

Speaker 5 (02:23:36):
But the funniest part of that is what stephen A.
Smith says, I can't believe you're gonna trade him in
the division.

Speaker 3 (02:23:42):
What if you're.

Speaker 5 (02:23:43):
Jacksonville and you know we screwed up, we got over
on them, So you get to actually pawn that off
on a division rival while getting prospects or traft picks
or whatever back. Yeah, and not pay that money. That's
low key genius, which means the Jags won't do it.

Speaker 6 (02:23:59):
Yeah, move on from a guy if you don't believe
that during the time you're gonna be paying him all
this money, you have the ability to put the roster
around him and make him into this quarterback he has
not been in his career. I respect his one playoff
season and his one playoff victory and how they overcame
all their turnovers and won the game and had a
great second half.

Speaker 3 (02:24:18):
And you, guys, honestly how I feel about Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 6 (02:24:20):
And I think the Jacksonville Jaguars are in an awful
place because he's on their roster at that rate.

Speaker 5 (02:24:26):
And what's even more funny is you honestly think the
newly minted GM of the Tennessee Titans, who came from
the Chiefs, is gonna do.

Speaker 3 (02:24:36):
Something like this. I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (02:24:38):
I don't think that makes a whole lot of sense
for where they are. How About being in a good
position in the draft for a second year in a row.
This year's first, next year's second, and then maybe you're
able to challenge for something more. You haven't gone away
from some of your younger players that aren't making too
much money. Maybe it's forced you to move on from
Jeffrey Simmons, but you got everybody. You have to move
on for players all the time. That's what NFL teams do,

(02:25:00):
and you hope you've put enough good young players in
position to maybe win when you find your quarterback in
the draft, which is usually where the good teams the
teams that are gonna I mean, if you really felt
you were that close, it would make more sense to
spend eighty million dollars one hundred and ten million dollars over.

Speaker 3 (02:25:18):
Three years with seventy guaranteed on Sam Donald.

Speaker 6 (02:25:21):
It would make more sense to not finish your franchise
for five years with a guess that Trevor Lawrence is
going to have his first season as good as the
season Sam Donald just had. He's never out of season
as good as the season Sam Donald just put together.
Everything was in place in Minnesota and he absolutely benefited
from it, and you don't have that in place in Tennessee.

(02:25:42):
So your expectations of a repeat should be very low.
The other part of the Jagged conversation, the Liam Cohen
part of it, how do you feel about the other
side of it, he didn't sign a deal to remain
the OC in Tampa, but he received the offer. He
rebuffed the Jags offer to continue the interview process and

(02:26:03):
basically told the Bucks, yeah, I'm back. I'll get around
to signing it when I'm literally in front of the paper.
The reports are they've been operating as if for a
whole day that Liam Cohen is coming back as their OC,
But now that he got his way in Jacksonville and
he's going to work with a new GM, they haven't

(02:26:23):
been able to contact him or his agents. According to
multiple reports, he's off the grid, and it's because he
wants to go back on his word.

Speaker 3 (02:26:32):
It hasn't all the time. The opportunity is now open
again that he wanted all along. Did he sign on
the dotted line? Did not sign?

Speaker 5 (02:26:38):
There you go until you do, and even when you
do in college football specially, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 6 (02:26:43):
And on the Bucks side of it, they might have thought, oh,
thank goodness, all this work we've put in to figure
out who we want to move forward with OC because
we know Liam Cohen could get hired this offseason.

Speaker 3 (02:26:55):
Well, now we don't have to do that.

Speaker 6 (02:26:57):
Well, they had a whole eighteen hour break because now
they have to get right back into it. Probably, yeah,
that's there's no official deal. He hasn't left for Jacksonville yet.
Jacksonville still actually has second interviews set up with others,
including Robert Sala. But it does look like everything that's
being reported and the way this is unfolded, their choice
is clear.

Speaker 3 (02:27:16):
It's Cohen and vice versa. He's choosing them.

Speaker 5 (02:27:20):
You think Robert Sala reached out to Aaron Glenn or
they spoke before Aaron Glenn took that job.

Speaker 3 (02:27:26):
Maybe Aaron reached out to him.

Speaker 6 (02:27:28):
Maybe, but I think Aaron probably has brought up just
that he probably knows what we all almost always Cowboys dysfunctional,
the Jets dysfunctional, the Jaguars dysfunctional. Up until Dak Prescott's
most recent season, we thought they had the quarterback. Well,
these these dysfunctional teams have the same issue the Texans

(02:27:50):
two years ago.

Speaker 3 (02:27:51):
They don't have a quarterback.

Speaker 6 (02:27:53):
So we almost always label them as dysfunctional because all
of the moves that get made and the transitions that
they go through make no sense because they don't know
what they're doing. Because they're still trying to get the quarterback,
and when you don't have it, you do things that
don't make sense all out of the time. And even
though the Jaguars have one in house, I don't believe
it's the right guy, so they have done things that

(02:28:13):
make very little sense.

Speaker 5 (02:28:15):
I look at Aaron Glenn landing in New York the
same way I look at Dan Campbell going to Detroit
and he's now, Aaron Glenn's not going to talk about
eating kneecaps at his, you know, introductory press conference or whatever,
which I that wasn't even his introductory press conference, was it?
Or was it When did Dan Campbell say that? Was

(02:28:35):
that training camp or was it introductory? It was early
before he had started it was, yeah, and it was
before they had done what they've done since then, which
has win a lot of games. But I I just
feel like, you know, he's If Aaron Glenn and everything
that he is and represents can't turn things around for
the Jets, then it's it's it's it becomes a Jerry

(02:28:57):
Jones situation where it's just not gonna it's not gonna
matter who you bring in there until the ownership is different.
And that's how I feel about the Cowboys with what
whoever ends up is it? Oh, it's a Schottenheimer.

Speaker 3 (02:29:08):
Great.

Speaker 5 (02:29:09):
I'm sure their fan base is just ecstatic right now
until Jerry's not there?

Speaker 3 (02:29:14):
Why would you be? So that's that's kind of how
I look at that situation.

Speaker 5 (02:29:18):
But yeah, it's one of the more interesting offseasons as
far as the coaching carousel.

Speaker 3 (02:29:23):
And again a reminder that I'm so glad the Texans
aren't going through this right now.

Speaker 5 (02:29:26):
That is the best takeaway of all, especially when you
consider we're talking about two teams in their crappy division.
We will continue with in case you missed it, coming
up next, the ad on Sports Talk seven ninety.

Speaker 2 (02:29:41):
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Speaker 3 (02:29:49):
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Speaker 5 (02:29:58):
I was told earlier by Matt Thomas that you can
hear me eating on the air. I'm not eating. I've
got a cough drop in my mouth because sometime between
yesterday's show at the hotel and when I got home
last night, I picked up a stupid scratchy throat. And
it's the kind it's like if you don't keep a
cough drop on it twenty four to seven.

Speaker 3 (02:30:15):
You can't talk.

Speaker 6 (02:30:16):
Yeah, I spent no time with mt yesterday. You spent
an entire game with him. We'll see what where you
determine this all happen.

Speaker 5 (02:30:22):
I get the bubonic plague. That means it's his fault.

Speaker 6 (02:30:24):
We'll talk to him in a few minutes. Yeah, we
are obviously in non normal attire.

Speaker 7 (02:30:28):
What's with the suits?

Speaker 6 (02:30:29):
Guys? Are you guys watching on the simulcast on Space
City Home Networks? So in case you missed it, Yeah,
we have an event tonight.

Speaker 3 (02:30:35):
Second, Dana Row, we have been in full suits to
host this show. In case you missed it, it has arrived.
So what do we have today?

Speaker 7 (02:30:41):
Dan?

Speaker 10 (02:30:41):
You guys look sharp. I'll just go ahead and throw
that out in ac the answer to your question. You
have young kids, so they go to a Petri dish
they bring it home to you. Last few minute report
from last night's a Rockets cabscheme out by my count,
thirteen calls that required a second look and a you
actually gave praise to the officials, and according to the

(02:31:03):
last two minute report, you were right because of those
thirteen only one was deemed incorrect. It was the alprin
with Jared Allen that got looked at at the monitor.
So you just said called for a second look. In
this case, the incorrect call deemed incorrect. Well, it required
a third look live. Nothing was called after video review,

(02:31:29):
nothing was called. And that's the call that they say
the officials missed. They should have called a loose ball
foul on alprin Shango.

Speaker 5 (02:31:38):
Yeah, so they looked at it and did not call
it after looking at it, and then someone else looked
at it and said, you should have looked at it again,
or you should have made.

Speaker 3 (02:31:49):
You saw or what you're looking at should have encouraged
you to make this call.

Speaker 6 (02:31:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:31:53):
I feel like that was probably one of the better
considering the outcome obviously is I'm a little biased, but
can considering everything that went down in the final minute
of that game, that was one of the better officiating
crews that we've seen most of the year, because.

Speaker 3 (02:32:10):
I just I'd never felt like they let the game
get out of control.

Speaker 6 (02:32:13):
Yeah, I do think there is still because of the
nature this particular play. He was fouled the second he
got it. He fouled Alan the second he got it.
You know, did Alan foul him on the shot, which
wasn't called did Alburn foul him after the shot, which
also wasn't called what happened first?

Speaker 5 (02:32:28):
Well, that's why I'm gonna give you the word for
word version, because it's cooluted.

Speaker 6 (02:32:33):
Of course, it is okay, Shngon dislodges Allan during the
shot attempt, and a loose ball foul should have been whistled.

Speaker 3 (02:32:40):
Okay, time out right there.

Speaker 5 (02:32:42):
That is ignoring all of the physical contact that Alan
made on Shingoon before that exact event happens.

Speaker 3 (02:32:50):
And that to last night.

Speaker 5 (02:32:52):
We're looking at this play and I said to Matt,
Matt Goes, I can tell that you're thinking what I'm thinking,
So you take it away, and I said, they're I'm
translating this.

Speaker 3 (02:33:00):
We saw that there was fouls by both of them.

Speaker 5 (02:33:02):
So this is the equivalent of when the ref can't
figure out who the balls out of bounds on so
they call a jump ball.

Speaker 3 (02:33:07):
That's what this is.

Speaker 5 (02:33:08):
It's a we're not going to call anything here because nobody's.

Speaker 3 (02:33:11):
Going to win. They added.

Speaker 6 (02:33:13):
Instant replay was then utilized after the made basket to
determine if an altercation slash hostile act had occurred and
the referee determined Shongoon did not commit a hostile act.

Speaker 3 (02:33:21):
So essentially, they're saying that part of the review, which
is a guess.

Speaker 6 (02:33:25):
All that they did review was deemed appropriately called, by
the way, but what happened prior to the shot, what
a dance not properately called. There are thirteen items listed
from the final one forty seven to the end of
the game.

Speaker 5 (02:33:39):
So not even two minutes, and you have thirteen different
items and that's a small number. Twenty twenty two to
twenty five's very common. I'm sorry, but you need to
hire better officials.

Speaker 6 (02:33:51):
Well, no, they're going all the calls that were made
and they were all correct except for one.

Speaker 3 (02:33:56):
Yeah, but why are you having to look at it?
Are you just it's just because that's all. But that's
what the report is about, Okay.

Speaker 6 (02:34:02):
I mean they're saying, hey, Brooks reaches for a loose
ball in any contact that occurred with Garland as marginal
on his rebound of the Mitchell miss and reverse layup
that was attempted at the end of the game. Of
course there wasn't a foul. They're just saying, yeah, of
course there wasn't a foul. I know the answer to
this is because we would be here forever. But do
you ever think about maybe it should be the last
five minute report. It give you a better sample size

(02:34:25):
of what the actual texture of the game was down
the stretch, not just the last You know, two minutes
is not very long in an NBA game.

Speaker 3 (02:34:31):
It just lasts a long time. It's not very long.
That's like what.

Speaker 7 (02:34:38):
Four and a.

Speaker 5 (02:34:39):
Half five possessions ish if you go the full twenty
four second I mean, it's not that long.

Speaker 3 (02:34:44):
I don't know what else do we have.

Speaker 10 (02:34:46):
All right, So there was a report earlier today and
I think you guys brought it up that Brian Schottenneimer
the Cowboys, it's imminent, it's going to happen. Well, ever
since then, there's been a lot of subsequent reports to
say not so fast. Another one one is that Jerry
Jones has spoken informally with former USC and Seattle Seahawks

(02:35:08):
coach Pete Carroll. The discussion is said to be informal
but legitimate interest enough to be reported. According to Nick
Harris the Four or Star Telegram, Pete Carroll would be
he's a good coach. That's there's no disputing that.

Speaker 5 (02:35:28):
Pete Carroll, Dak Prescott, Ceedee Lamb, Micah Parsons. There's Jerry
still there, like you can. This is what I went
back to last SEP. You can put anybody in there.
You can bring Vince Lombardi himself out of the grave.
It's not gonna work as long as Jerry is meddling.

Speaker 6 (02:35:47):
Let me let me take you to their postseason trips
the last couple of years, obviously not this year.

Speaker 3 (02:35:51):
There wasn't one.

Speaker 6 (02:35:52):
Do you think Jerry being the owner of the team
led by Mike McCarthy, Dak Prescott, Ceedee Lamb, Michah Parson's
I didn't say him, Dak se like what they did
to the nine, did in the Niners game, what they
did in the Packers game, the Ezekiel Elliott final play,
and the beginning of the Packers, like Jerry being the
owners that necessary have.

Speaker 3 (02:36:13):
To be accountable and it's not on the coaches. I
get that.

Speaker 6 (02:36:15):
I get that the three years of McCarthy winning twelve games,
they had he put together a roster capable of winning it,
a head coach capable of winning the division. And then
they went to the playoffs and they did some incredibly
ridiculous things. I mean, I know the track record for
Jerry makes what I'm saying seems silly. No, because the
track record is you've put together, whether it's the roster

(02:36:37):
or the coach or a combination of everything, you've put
together a team that's clearly not winning. The fact that
we now have every team reaching this certain stage of
the postseason and.

Speaker 5 (02:36:45):
Exceptly ye consistently with the rosters being different over different tear.
You know, you had Bill Parcells, not like oh, Bill
Parcells in the twilight of his greath like he was
still a good head coach and did some good I
mean he put Tony Romo on the mat basically Drew
bledsoe is their starter won Vinnie Tessa Verdi in there
somewhere at one point, I briefly it all like gets convoluted.

Speaker 6 (02:37:09):
Parcels had Quincy Carter, oh, Vinnie Drew and Antonio.

Speaker 3 (02:37:17):
Antonio call him Tony him, Okay, Jim.

Speaker 5 (02:37:22):
I just uh, whether it's fair or not, the only consistent,
the only constant is Jerry and you know, to a lesser.

Speaker 6 (02:37:28):
Extend Super Bowl champs, they have not visited the conference
title game since every other team in the NFC.

Speaker 3 (02:37:38):
Way to beat Neil O'Donnell and the Steelers and the
chin It was Bill that was one coach ago for
the Steelers, I know. And they've won a super Bowl
since then. Cowboys haven't though a lot of division titles.

Speaker 7 (02:37:54):
What else?

Speaker 10 (02:37:55):
All right, real quick, we don't have time to play
the awesome Cam Newton audio.

Speaker 3 (02:37:59):
But no follow up? Wait, I say that tongue in cheek.

Speaker 10 (02:38:05):
But yes, he made a comparison between Mark Andrews and
uh Fox Sports in the lawsuit that they have going
on right now.

Speaker 5 (02:38:12):
Was he wearing something stupid at the time. Yes, he's
gonna answer that.

Speaker 3 (02:38:15):
I already know.

Speaker 6 (02:38:16):
There are two things that actually that brings to the
table what Dan just mentioned there. We do have another
segment of the show, so we will have a chance
to get you both of those things. One is Fox
related and one is Mark Andrews related. We'll hit you
with both coming back.

Speaker 7 (02:38:32):

Speaker 5 (02:38:35):
Oh, ladies and gentlemen, Kevin Heart, what's up, guys?

Speaker 12 (02:38:41):
You're listening to Adam Clinton and Adam Wexler. Sweat sweat guy. Okay, cool, kay,
just met these guys today. Sweater guy, Lion, I didn't
I know them, they're cool, they're the best. Listen the
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Speaker 3 (02:38:57):
Ninety all right, in case you missed it.

Speaker 6 (02:39:02):
The last thing on in case you missed it was
a talkie talker tying together the dropped two point conversion
pass and fallout Mark Andrews and the issues internally at
FS one with their employees, which one lawsuit that was

(02:39:22):
filed recently. So I can tie those two things together
in this segment totally differently than the comments we're not
going to hear because they're silly, and I will do
that now. Mark Andrews has spoken, did not speak after
the game. Saw a little bit from Hard Knocks with
how Lamar Jackson reacted everything. He was awesome, you know,

(02:39:44):
taking that upon himself. What happened with Mark. This is
a team game, we went together, we lose it. Things
like that he'd obviously gone over to him, and that
had a little bit of footage of Mark on the
bench on the sidelines after the play, obviously very very
upset with surface in hand. He was on Instagram and
said it's possible to adequately express how I feel. I'm
absolutely gutted by what happened on Sunday, I'm devastated for

(02:40:06):
my teammates, my coaches, and Ravens fans. He talked a
lot about everything he pours into the game, and he said,
that's why it's taken me until now to collect my
thoughts and address this publicly. The game was Sunday, Todays Thursday.
Doesn't seem like it's taken too long. I appreciate him
saying that even though the shock and disappointment are unlike
anything I've felt before, I refuse to let the situation

(02:40:28):
defind me. I promise that this adversity will only make
me stronger and fuel us as we move forward. A
lot about the negativity that's been about it, A lot
of positivity that he's received. God bless want to make
the world better place. Let's had some light. Do my
parts bounce back, et cetera. One of the comments, two
of them actually from guys we know well bingham Ball
are nine. He wears eighty six for the Texans. His

(02:40:50):
name is Dont Schultz. He plays tight end in the
AFC in the playoffs. Yep Well said, never lose that
fire bro at Joe main Mixon. Believe that's Joe. He
gets fine for things He doesn't say. He used some
shortened curse words. Put two letters next to each other,
the letter after L and the letter before G. He

(02:41:10):
said you are a dog, and that's where he placed
them before the word dog. And Andrews whole world no
player that you are, especially your teammates and fans. Bro
chin up, chest out, love you brother. Both of them
Sooners both played their football together at Oklahoma, were teammates there.
So Mark Andrews, as we thought, this very very difficult
situation emotionally individually, and the Ravens have a really good

(02:41:34):
chance to advance if they tie the game up there
in that situation and maybe get to overtime, or maybe
even something stranger happens before they get to overtime.

Speaker 3 (02:41:43):
So that's the Mark Andrews portion of it. This is
you got to stay with me here and follow along.

Speaker 6 (02:41:49):
A show written a story written by Joe Shadd second
time he's come up in the last couple of weeks.
Cranked out piece on. Mason Taylor plays tight end for LSU.
Very strong NFL prospect, one of the top tight ends
on the board this year. Had a nice season, was
involved in a very important play or two along the way,

(02:42:09):
but the story as captioned on his ex platform, it
says Mason Taylor of LSU is one of the top
NFL draft prospects at tight end and also the son
of Hall of Famer Jason Taylor and nephew of Hall
of Famer Zach Thomas. So my thoughts were, well, this
is on the X platform where he's posting the article,
and it's hopefully going to get a lot of clicks

(02:42:31):
and reads, and on the platform, I was expecting a
lot of comments in that I've tied it to the
FS one story. Do you know why I expected a
lot of.

Speaker 5 (02:42:41):
Comments because of who Jason Taylor is related to. It's
because of who Mason Taylor obviously is related to.

Speaker 6 (02:42:48):
But yes, essentially, like, why doesn't it say Mason Taylor
of LSU is one of the top NFL draft epects
at tight end and also the son of Hall of
Famer Jason Taylor, nephew of Hall of Famer Zach Thomas Kama,
his aunt is Joy Taylor.

Speaker 3 (02:43:00):
Doesn't say that.

Speaker 6 (02:43:01):
I thought it would, And even though it didn't, I
think people on the X platform are very good at
connecting the dots. Well, they're like detectives or sleuths. So
the comments, the replies should be quite good, right, grab
your popcorn and put it back there? Aren't any Are
you serious? What's Twitter?

Speaker 5 (02:43:20):
People x social media? Who gets every little wrinkle and
runs with it, But not this one. I don't understand
it or has that story just you know what happened.
It never goes away here on the platform on social media.

Speaker 6 (02:43:36):
It does like when dan Orlowsky says one thing about
a head coaching process, yeah, and then three years later
does a complete one eighty and actually like, well, whatever
they know about it, that's where it comes from.

Speaker 5 (02:43:48):
Does it go away when the city in which all
of this is happening is basically on fire? You realize that,
like the Joy Taylor thing dropped on a Sunday and
the fire started like Sunday night.

Speaker 6 (02:44:00):
And the fact that you're calling it the Joy Taylor
thing is interesting not to you, but I mean it's
it's somebody. It could be the hairstylist who shall be
named later, even though her name.

Speaker 3 (02:44:12):
Is in the lawsuit. That's the only reason we're talking
about it is she follow the lawsuit.

Speaker 5 (02:44:15):
But if I rattle off her name, right, and Joy
Taylor's alleged role in all of this is easily the
most salacious and.

Speaker 3 (02:44:24):
That executive, Oh my gosh, it's a dirty biz man. Uh, yes,
it is. Many businesses are dirty. This just happens to
be the one we're in. Baseball is dirty.

Speaker 6 (02:44:38):
So we were talking about the possibilities with the Astros today.
So it's a couple of things were happening, one being
the possibility that Ryan Presley would have to revisit his
thoughts on a no trade clause that one reporter would
suggest they're on the verge. The Astros are of trading
Ryan Presley the Cubs. It was Bob Nightingale, others including

(02:44:58):
Chandlerome have since se we all know he's has a
no trade clause, which we continue to now tell you
he's not waived. He continues to hold all the cards
and a trade to the Cubs is happening unless he
would wave his no trade clause. We don't even know
where there are with that, but he is still an Astro.
We talked about it at length from a CBT standpoint,

(02:45:19):
the money that Presley makes versus the role that a
person could play in that spot, whether he's already on
the roster, there's somebody.

Speaker 3 (02:45:25):
They could find to help bridge the gap.

Speaker 6 (02:45:27):
If they need a new seventh inning reliever for a
lot less money than he makes, Yeah, they probably would
be interested in doing that.

Speaker 7 (02:45:34):
Well.

Speaker 6 (02:45:34):
It also, again, they're saving money because of where they
are on the CBT. Aren't they also saving money for
what they might want to spend this year and on
into the future. Of course, there's all these elements of
spending are tied to Alex Bregman in some form or fashion.
If there's a shorter term deal, if the deal they
once had on the table remained on the table, which
I would find odd. But if I brought him up earlier,

(02:45:55):
I might as well bring him up again. Johnny h
the old man in New York.

Speaker 3 (02:46:00):
What's up? John?

Speaker 6 (02:46:01):
That's at John Hayman. For those that don't want to follow,
although nine hundred thousand of you do. If the astros
are able to trade Pressley, that could provide monetary flexibility
and enhance their chances to bring back All Star Third
Basement Alex Bregman. He did add people involved say so again,
if you don't know how math works, that is a

(02:46:24):
helpful tweet, helpful post. So if you take the total
and subtract some from it. That gives you more room
from the total you were previously at. If you'd like
to now spend money, you've now saved money. That's how
math works. That's what he's telling you. But he did
add the people involved say in court in an effort
to indicate duh umm.

Speaker 5 (02:46:48):
I think that Bob Nightingale was being very careful by
saying it's a long shot with the door door being
a jar.

Speaker 3 (02:46:55):
What a day for Bob.

Speaker 5 (02:46:56):
Well, shouldn't he say the door is slightly cracked and
not a jar. Car makes it sound like it's a
lot wider open than it is. Whatever, it sounds like.

Speaker 6 (02:47:03):
There is more to this off season for the Astros
than as we sit here today heading towards Astros FanFest.
Quick note on that we'll be out there broadcasting live
eleven to four this Saturday afternoon. Hit up their website
to get yourself there and come by and see us.
Say hello to us and those players that we'll be
interviewing throughout the day plus all the other festivit teas.

Speaker 3 (02:47:23):
Are you interviewing Alex Bregman on Saturday.

Speaker 6 (02:47:25):
We'll find out when we get the final list of
players to be interviewed, But that'll do it for us
Today Hoops ut Style, Rodney Terry Show.

Speaker 3 (02:47:32):
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