Internet Mysteries

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The Internet is a world of its own,
with its own rules, culture and reality,
much like the quote unquote, real world.
The Internet has its own mysteries,bizarre codes
that promise secrets to the fewwho can solve the riddles.
Mysterious videosthat lead to terror, and stories

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that suggest there's more to the worldthan meets the eye.
But tonight, I share some of my personalfavorite online mysteries,
and we discuss what draws people to themto want to solve them and share them.
And lastly, will this inspire us
to try and create our own online mystery?

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Do we have what it takes?
This is a study of strange.

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And I'm ready to go.
All right.
Welcome to the show. I'm Michael May.
And I'm sitting across digitally, across
the digital world from Sean Anthony Davis.
How you doing, Chad? I'm good.How apropos.
Based on the subject,I believe we're going to be talking about
the digital spaces that we are abiding.
That's right.

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Digital spaces, Internet mysteries.
And Sean, I primarily know youfrom some film work, from writing.
You are a narrative genius.
I'll just say that.
And here's athat's an Internet hoax right there.
So I'm spotting one.
Yep. There's our first Internet.
Yeah, that's a that's a conspiracy theory.

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So I primarily know you from that.
But day to day you work at Naughty
Dog, the studio that brought everybodythe last of us. And.
But Uncharted is Unchartedand another game.
Uncharted and old school of peopleremember back in the day Crash bandicoot
that they were you know Naughty dogoriginated Crash Bandicoot.
Yeah that's my day job.I work at Naughty Dog.

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So go play Uncharted and Last of USand watch the TV show listeners the song.
Yeah.
Oh, now so.
Now you, you work on it at Naughty Dogs.
I'm guessing you don't do anythingon the TV show at all.
Right. But do you get to learn anything?
Do you get any, like, insights?
We get little sneak sneak peeks.
They they were they, you know, months agotry to think, what can I say?

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They showed us like sneak peeks,production stills, kind of like
production as it was going alongbecause yeah, in the for the most part,
no one at the studio is really involvedwith the TV production
except for Neilwho is like the creator of us.
Yeah. Co-writer on the show.
But other than that, it's mainlyjust then like, Oh, we're just as
part of much as part of the audience,which is a thing which is fun to,

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you know, partake of it like that.
Yeah. And Naughty Dog there.
I'm not a huge gamer,but I do play games and I have played
Last of US, the first one I ever played,the second one.
And one of the things I'm always amazed at
with their games is the they cut scenes,which normally
I skip, but naughty dog games,those are better than the games.

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Yeah, I was going to say don't skip those.And then I like games.
That's that's the whole point.You play them. Yeah.
And so is that something that may have
drawn youto trying to get a job at Naughty Dog?
Oh yeah, absolutely.
That was one of the main,if not the main reasons, you know, after
getting out of film school
and being a wannabe screenwriter,I didn't want to fall into that cliche of
want to be a screenwriter in L.A.

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with no work or,you know, no job, just do whatever.
And so I was like, I want to have a job.
I want to have, you know,something that I'm getting paid for,
and then I'll move to L.A.
And so I'll work in the games industryfinding a job.
And I was like the perfect combinationof elements.
So absolutely.
And just because, you know,I know you care about my podcast,

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I know it's very important to you. Yeah.
So for the sake of listeners,
we can just say thatyou're the creator of Last of US, right?
We can talk about that.
And actually I did all the voice workfor the game too.
And MoCap and the motion.
Yeah,and all the mocap for every character.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
That clears.
That wasn't all the infected.

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Yep. Nice. Nice. Well, I appreciate that.
Thanks for comingon, Mr. Everything in Last of US.
As of this recording,I think there's what, two episodes
have been released on the TV showI haven't watched.
Okay, two episodes.
So that's a big thing right now.
Yeah, but check it out, everybody.
And obviously play the games for Shawnto see all of Shawn's.
Work since he did. He did all by himself.

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All by. Himself.
That's games are really a single personendeavors.
That's a team effort at all.
Now no collaboration whatsoever.
Well, I didn't meanI did not intend to go down this
like sidetrackof talking to you about Naughty Dog.
I'm happy to show my stuff.
So yeah, absolutely.
No, it's a it's a great company.
So it's exciting to knowsomebody that works there.

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And like you said earlier tonight,we are talking about Internet.
Mr. Rees, do you if I'm like,Hey Shawn, let's talk about Internet
mysteries,what do you define that as yourself?
What's your definition?
I mean, it's interestingbecause it's it's by it's
kind of definition,a little bit of ambiguity, right?
There's a nebulous area.
It's like some one person's mystery isanother person's marketing scheme, right?

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So I think it's pretty neat.
But I think to meit basically is it's it's a series of
I don'tknow what what would I call events.
They're not eventswhen they're on the Internet a series of.
You know, it's funny because in my notesI wrote down unexplained
and or unsolved events. I, I.

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Guess I mean,
I guess that's what I would say,but I don't know if that's how you know.
Yeah,it's like there should be a better word.
But whatever is series of connected eventsthat kind of don't
you know, you kind of evaporatesif you kind of trace the, you know, the
digital trail, it just kind of evaporatesor it leads back in and of itself.
There's not.
And it's very unclear what the intent was.

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I think that's right.
Big element to me is what was the intentbehind what these things are.
Yeah. Yeah.
I would completely agree with that.
And it is kind of nebulousand broad as a topic,
which is it's a cool thing for meas a podcaster because I am interested
in internet mysteries.
It was one of the things I thought of
when I was firsttrying to conceive of the podcast,

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but there's so much therethat you can always come back to it.
And in eventhere are a lot of what I would call
like darkeror more bad mysteries on the Internet.
Like there's some like,Oh, was this a murder victim?
Was this a kidnaping?
And for tonight's episode,I didn't go down that road, not
because I'm afraid to or don't want to,because I may in the future.

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I was just more in this.
Like,esoteric isn't the right word either.
But like in this, just these oddmysteries, these confounding mysteries,
like you said,
kind of circle back in on themselvesbecause of the nature of the Internet.
And also a lot of theseyou'll see on Reddit or all these forums.
And because forums are crazy and people inforums are crazy, you just kind of

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go in these weird circles, which actuallykind of adds to the mystery.
Yeah.
That the discourse around the mysteriesbecome part of the mystery.
And you know, in a weird. Way, yeah.
And that made me a little nervousto tackle these because
what I'm
going through tonight, all the storiesI will talk about, they are popular ones.
They're sort of my favoriteout of popular Internet mysteries

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because they are so popular.
A lot of people are really into themand people online are very opinionated.
And that kind of made mea little nervous to tackle it.
But I was like, You know what?
It's time to go into it and see,see what we can do.
And then at the end of the episodetonight, Chad, you and I,
we're going to see if we can come upwith our own Internet mysteries.
If we were to create.

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Well, we're going to see what we can learnand see if we can apply that
to an idea that we thinkcould become a big Internet mystery.
So stick around for the end of the show.
And before we get into any of this,I do need to say that
there's a there's a new Patriot dropthat everybody should check out.
A in episode of what I call strangebut true.

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So you can find informationabout our patriot
on our website, the study of strange.
Com And also if you know of any internetmysteries that I did not talk about
or will not talk about tonightthat you want me to cover,
send me a message at a study of strangeat gmail.com or on Instagram,
which at a study of strangeI think is our is our handle on Instagram.
So it's pretty self-explanatory.

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So, Shawn,before I dive into the beginning. Yes.
Do you know any Internet mysteriesoff the top of your head that you may
have come across or we're interestedin at any point of time?
Yeah, there'sI mean, there's a couple that stand out.
I mean, I think I was
I was way more into it,you know, to date myself
when my college years and in some waysthe kind of like very nascent

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almost teen years of the Internetas as it's transitioned
to what we recognizeas very established in some ways
it was kind of going through some weirdgrowing pains.
And I think that's like prime mysterykind of growing area.
So I think we kind of were brieflytalking about this
a little while ago,but I one thing that I remember

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in the early aughtswas the John Twitter thing.
And I know that's maybe a little adjacentto some of the stuff
we're going to talk about,maybe not quite.
But yeah. The time time.
Traveler, time travel guy who claimedhe was from the future and back in time.
But all of whatever was was just Internetlike, you know, blog posts
essentially for my experience.
And then there'sother things like there's a handful of

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like YouTube videos and channelsthat would post that had some
really cryptic videos that
at the timeI know there was no explanation for.
And since then and youyou may have some of these things.
Yeah, there might be explanationsfor them at this point, but I remember
that was something that really

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sparked a lot of my attentionas someone who just like,
like puzzles and like these weird elementsof connecting things
and like, finding deeper meanings.
And what does this mean?
It was, you know, at that ageespecially, I was drawn to those.
So those were those are the kind of thingsthat stand out.
Yeah.
And then there's others like weird,silly things like, I don't know, this,

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this is not quite the same,but like the April, April,
Avril Lavigne is really deadand there's a body go that.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not purely internetbut I do think the internet
is basically fosteredthose types of kind of things.
Yeah so yeah it's
I was going to bring this upat the end of the show,

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but it actually just tiesinto what you're talking about.
But one of the things that I findintriguing about Internet mysteries is
I feel like it's just a stepin an evolution of these kind of stories
that we came acrossas kids of our generation
where in the mid nineties,I don't know if you remember this,
but there was that story
that that the actor that played ZackMorris on Saved by the Bell, Mark-paul

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Gosselaar died in a motorcycle accident,which he did not.
He was still around, huh?
But that spread like wildfire.
And I was growing up in Floridaand then I went away to school
in Michigan years later, and people therewho were from all parts of the planet
were like, Oh, yeah, I remember when ZackMorris died on a motorcycle accident
and it was just like the spread of things.
Now the Internet changes thatbecause you would find out quickly

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he didn't die because he's not a Twitterand you know, whatever else.
But you find a different evolutionlike stories now take a slightly different
turn where instead of him dying,he was replaced or,
you know, it would take on a differentsaying or there's a meaning.
It wasn't yes, he didn't die, butthere was a meaning in that news article.
There was a hidden codethat you had tracked.
Yeah.
So Internet mysteries arethey're really weird

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and they serve a lot of different,I want to say serve purposes.
They have a purpose for somebody,even if it's just to provoke thought.
But yeah, well, so let's,
let's actually get into a few Now,some of the famous ones
that I will not get into,there's some stuff like Publius, Enigma.
Oh, I'm not sure if I've heard of,at least not by name.
That doesn't ring a bell.
That one had something to dowith like a Pink Floyd album.

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And it may have been a marketing gimmick.
Jack Frazee I'mnot sure if I saying his name right
either, but Jack froze his emails.
This is a story about a guywhose friend passed away named Jack,
who then he started getting emailsfrom Jack's email address.
So that's super weird.
Cicada 3301is probably like the most famous one ever.

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Which was actually like a puzzlekind of thing, right?
Yeah, like puzzles or somethingand like, solve these and you'll.
You'll be part of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay. Yeah.
And people have actually,like, solved most of it.
So you can,you can watch all about that one.
That was always reallybizarre to me was Chip chan which is a

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I believe she's Korean, but it's a womanwho was basically just like broadcasting
her daily life and she was like in a roomand never left the room.
And she would sleep like 18 hours a day.
Do you remember that. This is ringing?
I do remember because it was like, Oh,it was a live camera, essentially, right?
Yeah. Yeah.
She would just be lyingthere, right, for like hours.
Our time was super bizarre.
And then some people startedclaiming that she was like, you know,

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she was kidnaped or she was a sex slaveor all these kind of things.
But it's like, but she's on like,I don't know.
It's just really bizarre.
And I don't thinkanybody ever solved that.
So those are the some famous onesI even wrote down John Teeter titer,
which is the guy that posted on some forumthat he was a time traveler.
And that's that's a fun story.
But where I'm going to start and actuallydive into some more detail of these, I'm

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going to start with what is often calledthe oldest Internet mystery,
and that is the MarkJovian parallax denigrate.
Have you ever heard of that?
Only because you sent an email away
with a list of wordsI don't even remember listing.
I think. Yeah, in a little line there.
But nice.
Don't remember knowing about this,you know.

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Wasn't ringing any bellswhen I when I read it.
So I don't thinkI was aware of this. Yeah.
So this one, this one,it shares some similarities
with just some of the brief onesthat we've talked about.
And I'm going to call it impededjust because it gets a little tedious
to keep calling it.Marco Vinepair likes to integrate.
So Mbpd is a series of messagesposted to Usenet in 1996.

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In the messages,basically they just appear to be gibberish
and they were all postedwith a subject line Markov in Paradise
Vinaigrette,which is where it gets its name.
Now, did you ever use Usenet any?
Really? Yeah.
I feel like we are just a bittoo young for that.
Probably. Yeah.
So Usenet is a worldwide distributeddiscussion system

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which obviously you use on your computerand it was developed
from a general purpose Unix to Unix copieddial up network architecture.
I am not a computer person, but.
Oh I totally.
I understood.
Yeah. Yeah. I get,I get all that and yeah.
And it's basicallyit's the early days of internet forums
and you even see some similaritieswith the Usenet too, like Reddit today.

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And it actually started way back in 1979,which is so far think about it.
Al Gore created it, built it himself,
just like you made the last of usvideo games.
Okay, so Usenet Usenet is actually
I find it to be reallyhistorically significant in terms
of like the history of the Internetin the modern age, because it is

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one of the firstlike online connected communities.
And it was the birthplace of termsthat we still use like fac f
aq on websites and everything else flame,which is like
insults and also spam.
This is where spam came around.
Yeah.
And also the World WideWeb was first announced on Usenet.

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So yeah, this is a really historicalhistorically significant place
in terms of the world that we livein today in this internet age.
Now, when I was reading a lot about Usenet
and I think I even knew peoplethat used it, I never used it myself.
Usenet is remembered a lot for spambecause it would
it would get inundated with spam.
And it's where that kind of first started.

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And some people theorize that MPD is spam.
So that is one of the main theories of it.
And this all started aroundAugust 5th, 1996,
when hundreds of messagesbegan sliding into discussions on Usenet
that these messages made no sense.

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They basically, just like I said earlier,they consisted of gibberish.
And I actually there's onethere's only one post that is still saved
because of Google archives.
Everything else has been lost.
Sean here is going to reada quote from Atlas
Obscura.
Seemingly nonsensical strings of wordsthat read like terrible slam poetry.

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The only thing they sharedwas an equally meaningless subject line.
Colin Markovich in Parallax Denigrate.
Since many people at the timeassumed that the messages were gibberish,
most of the original posts
have since been lost,but one original post that survives
thanks to Google'sarchives reads and it reads
Jitterbug McKinley Frank Newtonianconferring to update Cohen

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heir collaborate broodsportswriting rococo in bookcase
two so sad flower Debbie sterling
the genesis escalatoradventitious adventitious
no vote hi d Most chairpersonDwight Herzog different pinpoint Dunn
McKinley pendant via uranusepisodic medicine ditty craggy bugging

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bear yack brotherhood web impromptu filecouncilman's inheritance cohesion
refrigerate morphine napping napkin inland
janeiro unnamable year book hark.
I really hopesomeone fast forwarded in the episode
and just like landedright in the middle, right?
That was like,Oh my goodness, what is going on? Yes.

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So that isthat's the one saved post from MPD
and the heading when this was posted, read
from Susan Lindauer at w rf UW aspect
edu and it had the subject Markovin parallax denigrate
so you people when they posteddid have to put an email address.

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Now apparently a lot of the other posthad different email addresses
than this one that is saved.
But they were all,they were all edu's. And.
Yeah so so and for those that don't knowthat that stipulates, it's
an email addresscoming from a university or school or,
you know, educational organizationof some kind.

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Now, quickly, I can't say overhow long because it's hard to pinpoint
exactly these gibberish posts beganto be interpreted by some Usenet users
as code, basically basically a cipher,almost like if you have.
Yeah, you can you can figure out the codethrough the cipher.
And here's where my initial interestgot piqued in this story.

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There's some suspicion that MPDis a modern version of a numbers station.
So do you know numbers stations.
Do is something radio broadcasts, right?
That's right.
So shortwave radio broadcast,the short version of the story is it
actually began in World War One, wherecountries are using it to communicate

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military communicationsusing coded post and shortwave radio.
They became very prolific duringthe cold War and they're super weird.
You can listen.
YouTube has recordedsome of the famous ones.
A lot of them don't exist anymore,but some
some still do and are in useand they're super bizarre.

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And so yeah, so some people suspectthat Marco Van Pelt likes
Denigrate is some kind of secret codedsaying for spies or military
and governments for a while denied
number stations but they have come forwardsince the Cold War ended.
It'd be likeoh yeah, now those and we use them.
But, but not, not anymore. Wink wink.

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So here's the thing.
If MPD is a code,no one has been able to figure it out.
At least with numbersstations, people can assume the numbers
correlate to a letter and you can use itto sort of write things out.
But with MPD,we can't be sure what it means.
And a much less interesting theoryis that it's just an early bot.
And so, yeah, just reading it, that's

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what it sounds like.
I don't know, itsounds like it's not the right word
because even bots I think somehow makesometimes a little bit more sense.
But that's what it reminded me of,like just like a weird algorithm
where it doesn't actually make any sensefrom a human
like interpretation,but from a algorithm, it doesn't matter.

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It's just throwing the data togetherin a way that it's tell it's been told to.
Yeah, and look, this,this next bit is over my head.
But there is something called a Markovchain,
which is it's like a formulacalculating probability.
So that could be applied to some kind of

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generative word sentences,something like that.
And that could be where the name camecomes from and why it said that.
So yeah,it could be an early version of a bot.
It could also just be someone having fun.
Yeah, with some kind of codesaying they created.
You know.
I think I've matchedwith a couple of people
on some dating websiteswho have sent this exact message to me.

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It all makes sense. Yep.
Yep. Yeah,I wouldn't doubt it. I went down.
So I mentioned
the name Susan Lindauerin that email address.
And what's amazing about this storybecause if if the if the MPD story ended
there, I'd be like, that's not going to beone of my favorite Internet mysteries.

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But Susan Lindauer is a real person
and she became became famousfor a lot of wrong reasons,
I guess you would call it, on March11th, 2004, she was arrested by the FBI
for acting as an unregistered agentof Saddam Hussein's government in Iraq.
But so in other words, she worked for Iraq

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when she was actually at the time,I think she was a U.S.
congressional employee at the time,
and she had worked for,I believe it was the CIA.
But even in the CIA.
But even in the nineties,she had communications
with the Libyan government,which were very frowned upon at the time.
So it's really interestingthat her name is in this email
and she has something to do with the CIAin these foreign governments.

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Now, she claims she's a peace activistand she was only doing work
to try to bring peace about to the worldand her charges were dropped in 2009.
She has written a book.She has been on TV.
So a lot of people outthere may know who she is
and she has been approachedabout Mark Colvin, Parallax denigrate,
but she says she doesn't know what it is,even though

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this email address was her email addresswhen she went to that university.
Well, that's the question.
Like because it's interestingwith Internet mysteries where there is
a theoretical digital paper trailfor the most part.
I mean, so you would think that like, oh,they could
potentially trace itto whether it was coming from her or,
you know, you could set up aand what am I drawing a blank?

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But, you know, false VPNs to mimican IP address and all that kind of stuff.
So that's yeah,So actually I have to correct myself.
I'm really sorry, Susan.
I just said that was really heremail address and it wasn't.
It's a different Susanwho has that really email address.
But yes, you're absolutely right.
And that is actually the
what people think,because apparently these other posts.

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But we just don't have themsaved, had other edu email addresses.
So that could have been this kind of likecycling of just using some random words
and setting up emails with these dotedu addresses
as a way to hide that digital paper traillike you were talking about people,
because online sleuths are very,very diehard about these mysteries.

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People have actually trackedthe real Susan Lindauer from the email,
and they actually found her informationpretty easily, which is pretty funny.
I'm not going to.
Her name is different now.
I actually on my own podcast, I don't feelcomfortable sharing where she is
or because there's other peoplewith a name.
I don't want to
point you in her right, right direction,but her information is out there

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and it turns outother people have approached this.
Susan Lindauer about this.
She also claimsshe has no idea what it was
or what it is, doesn't understand it.
And also, she left the Universityof the year before the post was made.
So she probably didn't
even have access to that email anymore,not even be using it.
So the mystery of the Foley and Parallaxdenigrate continues,

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and it may only continue because we can'tfind the other posts we don't have.
Yes, it's funny because you think likethe old saying is what's on the Internet.
It's always on the Internet, Right.
And too,obviously that's true to an extent.
But yeah, I mean, again,
going back to the early days of the 96,it was just like this new thing.
People like you don'twe don't know what we're dealing with yet.
So there is there is actually somethere's a lot of lost stuff and Yeah.

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Yeah.
And I don't know and if anybody outthere knows this answer, please email me.
But I don't know if Usenetkept everything up because you know
how some forums after a period of time,it just gets kind of erased.
So I don't knowif usenet kept all their posts forever.
They may have had a certain timelimit on them and I'm not sure yet.
I know there's different sites,but it wasn't like internet archives

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or something like that.
And also like the hasthe saved just like it
has like a saved version of the internetfrom X years ago.
Or so they do.
But I don't think
and this is this is againI am I'm so dumbed down when it comes
to Internet stuff, but I don't thinkInternet Archive saves everything.
I think it's certain sayingsat certain periods of time.

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Yeah.
So I don't think it's like every web pageever created.
Yeah, that isthat's a good question though.
But to me I, I think this is some kind of
but I think somebody was testing aroundand exploring some kind of technology
and they were using Usenet to kind of playand also potentially
like some sort of nerdy not a prank,but like I'm just going to use this

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and put some stuff out and see what peoplesay, just kind of provoke a response.
I mean, another thing that it remindsme of is I was saying like,
you know, we're talking aboutthe bad stuff is what's that?
I don't know what it's called,but when you are just putting
placeholder text in somethingthat's that Latin ipsum facto.
But you know what I'm referring to.I know. Exactly we were talking about.

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It kind of reminds me of that too,
where it's almost just like hereis just text that shows a whole bunch of
different characters in different statesas something that we could place
as a placeholder in game development.
We do that just to make sure that we canTexas displaying correctly,
know, you know like yeah,so it also kind of reminds me
in a weird way of that I'm just like,this is a placeholder thing

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that we're generating to put in placeto test something that the stuff
that is the weird stuff to me iswhy would be why would you be using
a D or an old email address from a dotedu thing?
Yeah, that'swhere it kind of feels a little cranky.
Yeah. Or,
you know, like, are
you you're not like,there's nothing you're pinning on anyone.

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Like what?
It's like.
It's not like a crime or anythingimplicating anyone.
It's just weird.
But that's why it's kind of, you know,like a nerdy prank is the wrong word.
I cannot think of a better word.
It's like internetdoorbell, ditch or something.
Yeah, exactly. What was that? What?
What's going on?
And it just, like, gets people's,like, hackles.
Yeah. Risen, right?

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Yeah,It could be one guy doing it for his own.
Yeah.
Or her own, like,fun or two friends being like me.
And I do not mean to say any of that,to disparage nerds.
I am a nerd.
I'm not a computer nerd, but I am a nerd.
And I you know,I relate to all you nerds out there.
So I don't mean to make it sound bad,but and people learning

(28:18):
this is the this is thethe beginning of people communicating
for everything on the Internetand the beginning of forums and stuff.
So I could see peopleplaying around on there.
A lot to see what kind of emotionalresponse they can get to anything.
I think also too, in thismaybe is a little hoity

(28:38):
toity up our own butts in terms ofphilosophical thinking and blah blah blah,
which I am definitely prone to do.
But I think in a lot of ways
to with the Internet,we're like on the cusp of, you know,
the edge of history and postmodernism and,and finding meaning when there's no.
And thenso I think I know with my generation
and I think to an extentthe younger generation,
there is like a weird obsessionwith the completely random

(29:02):
and trying to create somethingwithout meaning, right?
Whereas everything that we've grown upwith and surrounded by, there's
meaning behind what we've done as peopleand humans and art and everything.
And I think there's something weird,an obsession with just
the pure to mimicthe pure randomness, the meaninglessness.
And I think there's something with thatwith a lot of

(29:24):
with like the words themselves,but just like
I'm just doing it because, y'know, it'sjust out, it's weird.
There's no reason behind it.
And partially it's a dead attention thingmaybe, but partially it's
just too kind of like, I don't know, I'mdo I throw something out there?
I'm, you know, raising my handto get attention,
but I don't have anything to saynecessarily.

(29:45):
Oh, okay. This is that. Yeah.
Yeah.
Know, like I said, just to throw outeven more pretentious,
you know, hullabaloo, but.
No, no, no, I wouldn't do that.
It may tie in to one or two other Internetmysteries that we will discuss today.
So that's really interesting.
But let's for the sake of time,we're going to move on. Yes. Yes.

(30:06):
And this is this is a littlethis is a left turn.
This one's a little different.
I don't think this is as bizarreof a mystery, but I just like it.
I like this story.
This is the most mysterious song on theInternet is what this is normally called.
Oh, I think this sounds familiar to you.
I tell the story. Yes, it'swhat I think it is. But yeah.

(30:27):
So since 2007, people have been searching
for the source of a song from the 1980s.
And the search for the song has gone viralas well as the song is is tied to it.
And no one as of this recording,
unless there's an update, I have notbeen able to find on this story.
No one has been ableto trace the origins of this song.

(30:50):
On March 18, 2007,someone going by the name of Blue
e-mailed or messageThe Spirit of Radio, which is in Canada
and posted it, shared a
song and said they were looking forwhoever wrote it, whoever performed it.
They wanted to knowmore information on the song,
and they also uploaded itto a best of eighties that

(31:10):
a German fan sitedevoted to eighties synthpop.
Now the song in question is very 1980s.
It's very synth poppy very.
I think over here we call it New Wave.
It's basically my favorite music.
I'm such a fan of early eighties music.
This is like right up my alleyand it has a male vocalist.
It's hardto understand the lyrics exactly, but

(31:32):
it sounds like he's saying like the windor blind the Wind or stuff like that.
And that's typically what people refer to.
And here's a clip of that song.
Can you hear it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's right. Yeah,

(31:55):
It's.
Yeah.
And then I couldn't get it to stop.
So. Yes.
So that is that's a little take of it.
No one has come out and saidwell I mean some people have come out
and said they owned it,but there's no proof that they do.

(32:17):
So I don't think I'm going to get insome copyright trouble for that.
Yeah. Yeah.
Perk of account of songs.
Yeah, absolutely.
So, yeah, it's very European, It's verynew wavy, very British early eighties.
Although the singer to meand a lot of other people that write
about this on Reddit and other places sayit sounds like a European accent

(32:39):
that's English is the second languageand I would agree with that.
And so we have these poststhat originally start posting this
to that sevenand the account was named blue,
but later there's it
sort of becomes more obvious and the truthcomes out about who's posting.
It's actuallya man named Darius in Germany.
He had a mix tape he made in the eighties,and this song was on that mix tape.

(33:03):
And his sister Lydiais the one that actually began posting it
online and sharing it within Canadaand also in Germany,
trying to figure out what the song wasand who made it.
And she said it was recordedon from a German radio station
in the early 1980s, and the radio
station in question is called NDR.
And they would have like a period of timeduring a certain day of the week

(33:26):
where they do like songs for teensor songs for kids, and they suspect that
that's when that playedand when Darius would have recorded it.
Yeah, it reminds me a little bit of Dieterfrom.
SNL, SNL.
Mike Yeah.
So it definitely makes methink it may be like a German band.
Yeah. And on that mix tape,this is my favorite part.
It was on a playlistalong with songs from Ecstasy,

(33:47):
which is one of my favorite bandsof all time.
Check them out.
And also The Cure, which the cure is waymore famous in ecstasy,
but I love ecstasy. Yeah.
And also on the tape it was writtenas blind or question mark blind the win.
So even Darius, when he wrote it,wasn't sure of the song's name.
Yeah. Yeah.
And so they either Dariusor his sister or people, when this started

(34:10):
becoming like a thing online,reached out to that German radio station
and they couldn'treally find a record of it.
So this becomes a big mystery in 2007,
But it didn't quiteget as big as it is now.
They kind of took some more years.
In 2019,specifically, a Brazilian teenager

(34:32):
named Gabriel de Silva Vieira,
she posted a snippet on YouTubeand to Reddit where all mysteries
go to get get fuel and breakfast
and it goes very viral.
And now loads of people,millions, thousands to millions
people, I don't know.
A lot of peopleare trying to look for this song.

(34:55):
They're all posting about itand they're they're really,
honestly doing a good job of sleuthingpeople on on the Internet
because they've been able to trace thisto that specific radio station,
not just because Darius said it,but they could tell some audio
files were able to. Like.
Just find the right,like there's like an audio level

(35:16):
that's almost like a fingerprintfrom the broadcast
that would have come from thatradio station.
I don't understand that stuff.So I can't explain it.
But it's yeah, it's like an audiofingerprint that's like, yes,
it did come from NPR, the radio station.
But yet even when they go through the oldfiles, people have found the old
playlist of what was broadcastin those years that they're talking about.

(35:37):
And no one can find the song.
Someone apparently did claim copyright
for the song on Shazam,but that is a fake copyright.
Whoever did thatto not actually make the song and someone
found a band called Statues of Motion,which is a Greek band.
And they had one album in 1983and they had a rerelease in 2013.

(36:02):
But there's a mention of a lost song.
So some people start to say, Well,
maybe the last song of this albumcould be that song.
But the people, because Internet sleuthsare doing their their work,
they found the guitarist from that band.
They asked him and he said, No,that's not our song.
But then a year later,
someone else asked himand he indicated, Yeah, that's our song.
But he was like really vague about it.

(36:24):
And someone asked himif the name of the song was like The Wind,
and he just went, Yeah, that's fine.
But here's the thing.I think his name is Billy Knight,
if I remember that correctly,that's his name.
And he said it was recorded in 1982.
But here's the problem with that,
the peoplethat have been investigating this, hey,

(36:45):
they're already smart enoughto find that audio fingerprint
of that certain levelfrom the broadcast on the radio.
But people have also specifiedthat the synthesizer that was used in
the song is the Yamaha RDX seven.Oh my God.
Which wasn't released until 1983.
So we don't know if this Billy guyis lying or honestly, he may just be.

(37:07):
Hey, he's probably recordeda lot of songs 30, 20 years ago.
Yeah, absolutely.
And also he stopped talking about it.
So maybe he did lie about, you know,we don't know.
I do want to say it is common for bandsto record a lot of songs
and reject them from albums.
So yeah, he could have forgottenor think it's something else.
And my theory is this is it's an Internetmystery because people have gone

(37:32):
so crazy with it and actually donean amazing job investigating this.
But you got to remember in eighties,
yeah, no one's using the internetlike they are now.
People are recording songs.
They might only have it on tape,they might only have it reel to reel.
They only have it in one place.And then the band goes.
And I'm friends with a million bandsthat have never gotten a record deal

(37:55):
or whatever.
And I guarantee you,
even in the digital age, they've lostsongs of theirs on old hard drives.
So I think a band that never made it,this could have been one of their songs.
Radio stations sometimes are like,Oh, this is an unsigned band,
and they'll do little things.
Apparently Indie would have a contestfor unsigned, unsigned bands,
so it's possible some band made this song

(38:17):
and even the members now could be dead,could have forgotten about it.
Also may not have even heardabout this mystery yet and can't.
Yeah you know.Having. Well, that's what intrigues me is
this It's like this
I know this weird little microcosmof this transition period
because we when we think of the Internet,we think of everything being online.
And if you type something into Google,you search for something online,

(38:40):
you will find it.
We just kind of assume that nowand you know, yeah, today.
But it wasn't that long agothat wasn't the case.
You know, like I mean, we're both of agethat we remember that time.
So so this is like thisweird little microcosm where it's before
the age of once this record or once it'sit's it's you could find it,

(39:02):
but it's still being interactedwith in this mindset of
if it's not online, it must be a mysteryLike I mean, I understand that.
I get that.
But it's like,well, no, they were they everyth
nothing was onlineand exactly what you're saying.
I mean, think of the hundredsof indie bands or garage bands,
and they made their own little demo tapeand they sent it to their cousin

(39:24):
who could get it played on this radio.
And it and they did, butthey never knew about it, you know, like,
so I agreethat's probably kind of what happened.
But it's to me, the intriguing part of itall is the way
the Internet has now is now processingthat, right?
Yes. Yes.
Yeah, Yeah. It's really a treat.
And that's what I like about it,
because again, it'snot a typical kind of like mystery.

(39:46):
There's codes, There's like essentiallyconspiracy, there's CIA involvement.
It's not one of those.
I literally think this is just a bandthat doesn't realize
their song has become like an Internetphenomena.
Yeah, but I love the fact that it'sit shows this transition
in times and technologyand it's just really intriguing to me.

(40:07):
And I like the song.So yeah, that's a plug.
It's yeah.
Yeah.
Someone posted I think I'm
one of the YouTube videosthat shares that song someone posted like
if the the internet ends in thein the tail credits of the Internet,
this song would play,which I actually really I like that idea.
All right.
So we're going to move on here.

(40:28):
We got more to get through, Sean. Oh, yes.
We're going to go to my favorite.
And this actually might be solved.
Some people don't believe so,but I think this is solved.
But I still love it so much.I have to share it.
If you go into your email,this is a YouTube link I provided.
Okay Yes.
It is called
11 bx1371.

(40:49):
A lot of people know it as the plaguedoctor video, so go ahead.
You watch it just so you don'tto watch the whole thing.
But but watch some of it.
I heard
I'm already like and I'm alreadynot liking what I'm saying.
It's really cool.
That's why I like it.
So yes, this video became a YouTubesensation in 2015

(41:14):
in terms of
of what it isI think it's a provocative video
to be provocative for provocative sake,if that makes sense.
But I find it really fascinating.
I love the style, the tone.
It is very creepy.
And it is honestly, thisthis video years ago when I was pitching
a TV show about mysteries,I was using this in my pitch.

(41:37):
I was like,
oh, there are there are mysterieson the Internet we can do in this TV show.
It's fascinating.
It's strange, it's creepinesskind of doesn't end.
There's a lot of layers to its creepiness,which I'll get into in just a second.
So for those that haven't seen it,
it's a surreal
video of a man in a black cloakwearing a plague doctor mask.

(41:59):
He's there's jumpcuts and odd movements and creepy sounds,
and there's a lot of strange symbols.
There's cryptic clues.
There's like a flashing light bulbin the palm of his hand at one
point, like, almost like it's Morse code.
He holds up different numbersof fingers, different times.
So there's, like, lines and textand numbers that pop up in the background.

(42:22):
And when solved,because people have done this, it
allegedly says very threatening, saying,So this is where it gets a little creepy.
Now, the question is,is this a real video?
Meaning like was it realin terms of having a real message
that somebody was trying to get out? Or

(42:44):
is it like a film school short?
Because there's definitely an essenceto learning.
Yeah.
So, you know, had just finishedwriting and stuff and yeah, there's
I mean, you definitelycan pick up on somewhere like film school.
A bunch of guysgo out to like an old thing,
but there's an element to it that seems
also beyond that.

(43:04):
Like it could be,
it could just really well doneand kind of what you're saying
to the weirdness for weirdnesssake or whatever
I was kind of sayingearlier was just like,
Let's just do this stuffwith no reason behind it.
And that was fine. Try to find your pilot.
Yeah, Yeah.
So this first came to everybody'sattention in 2015
on for Chan, so it wasn't initiallylike a YouTube post.

(43:25):
It was unfortunate first,and the person who posted it
said he found a DVD of this on a benchand it later came out that like a girl
found it on a bench and gave it to himto post or something like that.
And the user's name was TB X
and the title of the like video.

(43:45):
When he posted it was Ones and Zeros.
It was like a binary saying.
And if you spell that out in binary,it spelled out where
tae or death of you translate that.
And then there was a description in binarythat said when you translate that, you
have one year less
net. So creepy.
It doeshave a very kind of vibe to it too.

(44:06):
Oh yes.
The movie,
the really like the video and the ring,there's definitely that element to it.
Yeah, sure.
So a Swedish tech site called Gadgetsalso received
a DVD of this videoand they also started talking about it.
And on the DVD was writtenin like a Sharpie 11 bx1371,
which is where the name thata lot of people refer to this comes from.

(44:27):
So people online starttrying to crack the code in the video
and there's a lot of information outthere.
I'm not going to go into all of it.
People have solved
a bunch of the riddles and cluesand have theories and all sorts of stuff.
Someone that was actually ableto find where it was filmed,
and it's filmedin a old Polish mental facility.

(44:49):
So that adds a layer of that,that, that Yeah.
So that's a totally an awesome layer.
Some people that are much smarter than me
looked at the audio frequenciesand they were able to
look at this frequencies and find images
in the frequencies of the are,Isn't that so cool?
That's crazy.

(45:10):
I mean I definitely you could hear there's
lots of different like resonant tonesat different periods and like, like,
you know,
almost like an emergency broadcastkind of monotone kind of thing and then a
buzzing here and stuff and yeah,so they get images out of that, though.
They get images out of itand the images because again,
this is super creepyand we're going to make it even creepier.

(45:31):
There's images from TVand film of like murder victims and stuff,
but there's also some images of real lifemurder victims.
Now, I when I first heard this before
I found out the whole story of everything,I was like, okay, but which murder?
Like, is this like unsolved murder victimsthat no one has access to the images?
It's not.
It's like images you can find online. So.

(45:54):
So that is an important to think aboutwhen you're when you're first getting
into this.
In the audio, someone also was able to,
I guess, not alienate or single out
a certain sound where there's singers
repeating the line, We are the antivirus.
So that's an interestingthat is pre-COVID, too.

(46:14):
So is there.
Somewhere that the Morse Morse code dotsand dashes in the
like light read read lips like tense
and there's coordinates in itto the White House and when you rearrange
read lips like tenseit spells out killed the president
so his White House kill the president.
Killer.This is when you start layering these.

(46:36):
This is when I start going filmschool again.
Because as I.
Write,
it's like it's now it's become like nowthere's almost two on the nose, right?
I get a.
Yeah.
And so there are people that theorize thatthis is a threat against the government.
I don't go anywhere near thatbecause I'm like, Really?
What's the point?
If there's a grouptrying to threaten the government,
they're going to spread the government.

(46:56):
Especially that their methodis leaving a DVD on a bench.
Like, I mean, if that story'seven if that story's.
Yeah, true. I mean, who knowsif that's how it actually happened.
But that's their method.
They go, Man,we're going to get our demands with this
DVD I've made in it.
And another theory that's creepy,but I never would have thought this ever.

(47:17):
Some people think it's a serial killer,like leaving clues.
And it's like, well, no serial killers.
It just doesn't psychologically,it doesn't fit for so many reasons
that I'm thrilled I'm doing.It doesn't really fit.
There is also a theory that it was amarketing campaign for the movie Inferno.
The Dan Brown book was thatthey were turning into a series of movies
with Tom Hanks because it was correlatingin time when this was first coming out.

(47:40):
But it doesn't actually connect perfectly.
And my whole thing,we both work in Hollywood in
someone in Hollywood did that.
They would take credit for. It, of course.
Well, that's so because watching itanother thing I mean,
you know we're talking about soon filmanother thing that kind of came to mind
was a mark, like some sort of weirdviral augmented reality marketing thing.

(48:01):
So what reminds me, like again,back in the early days of the Internet
when like TV shows with Lostor other things like where they would have
websites and fake websitesthat were mimicking real ones
like that, where there is thatkind of angle of like, look at this thing.
That is it's a real thing.
It's not part of like thisTV show or movie. Right.

(48:21):
And, you know, it's a fun way to engagewith the audience.
And so a part of you makesit kind of feels like that.
But like your like you said,
if you're
doing someone's going to claim it likelike it's it's a useless marketing tool.
Even if it's seriously
if it's a couple of years later,like someone is also marketing
marketing people, everybody in the studiosystem in Hollywood, they all get fired

(48:42):
every year like, or they leave their joband go somewhere else and they come back.
They all go to different places.
They're going to have that on the resume.
If it's like I created this major viralsensation and so it's going to get out.
But I alsoI wanted to share this real quick.
So the ring, because you mentioned thatand the style of it,
someone told me,I think it was when I was in film school,

(49:02):
but someone told methat when the ring came out,
part of their marketing, like grassrootsmarketing campaign,
is they actually had VHS, as itwere, unmarked, and they would go to like
concerts and stuff and put them throughlike open windows and cars and things.
Yeah.
So, I mean, that's,that's why I mean, like, great.
And you know, whether it's cheesyby today's end, but

(49:23):
that is the kind of thing where it's likeyou because people, I think,
crave that sort of thing, right?
They they crave patternsand they crave meaning
behind anything,especially regarding themselves like I do.
It is, I think just listeningto your podcast in general and not to,
to go too far on a tangent,but just like all the unexplained

(49:43):
and all this kind of stuff,part of me is just like
there's a, there's a similar feelingwhen people recite ghost stories
as when they tell aboutcelebrity encounters, like looking right.
There's to me there's a very similar DNA,a cross section in the Venn
diagram of the feeling,the thrill, whatever endorphins fire
when like, Oh, I was this close to BradPitt at a restaurant like it,

(50:05):
it imbues whatever you're your existencewith more than whatever.
And I think there's a similar feelingto that with
with ghost stories or UFOs or whatever.
And not to say that,you know, people who have ghost stories
is one of our all making up orBut I think there's an element to that,
and I think there's something like thatwith this
and like the ring marketing game,when you find that tape.
When I was watching last night,I went online and I was like,

(50:27):
Oh my God, there's something hereand I'm figuring it out.
I'm like, There's a thrill to that.
If you can tap into that,that's like something again that I it's
very unique, I think, to modernand modern tech and modern entertainment.
Yeah, absolutely. And
this all leads
to the questionthen of who's posting this video, right?
Who made it, Who's getting it out there?

(50:48):
Who put it on a DVD first?
And like you're saying, it kind ofhas that marketing esque feel to it.
But maybe not a movie, maybe not some.
Big. Thing, you know?
So that'swhen I got a gentleman named Peter.
Oh, sorry.
Not Peter Parker. Parker. Right.
Peter Parker.
Spider-Man made it.
There. Yeah. You know Parker, right?

(51:10):
He has.
He's onethat now has this video up on YouTube.
It's been across
some other channels in the history of it,but now it's predominantly on his channel
and he is an artist in Poland
and he claims he made the video.
Now, there's some other peoplethat have laid claim to the video.
There'ssome people that don't believe him,
but he's actually been providinglike beats, pictures

(51:31):
and he's provided filesfor the graphics in the video.
He also did in an anonymous interviewon a Polish YouTube
channel in 2016 with the mask and stuff,which is all very unique.
It's like, yeah, it's not stuffyou buy at Target.
That's like a unique,uniquely made costume.
And then he made a sequel.
He made a second video 11 be 31369,same play doctor outfit.

(51:55):
This time there's it's very similar style.
It's got a female character in it
that shows up similar tone,hidden messages, all that kind of stuff.
He's since made a couple other videosand he's he's an artist.
He's an artist in Poland. Sure. Yeah.
And so it was him kind of creating art.
Now, here'swhy this mystery still persists, though.
As much as I actually believeParker did this, it makes sense.

(52:18):
He's got all the right stuff.
But it's like if all that stuff is trueand he has the behind the scenes.
Stuff, it's so it's kind of solved.
But what's weird,though, is that first video,
there's an air of creepinessand creativity that I think is
better than the sequels, which you can sayabout most movies anyway,
but also like the images and the audiofrequencies that doesn't exist.

(52:41):
And in the subsequent videos,it's like little things like that
aren't in these subsequent videosthat do kind of make you at least.
Question Yeah, because like I said,I believe he did it, but it's still like,
Well, wait,
if all these other things were
in the first one, they like hidden wordsand singers and images.
Why aren't they in the next ones? Why?
You know,So just something to think about.

(53:03):
And that's why there are some peoplethat don't think he crew.
There are some people out therethat still believe he didn't do.
I wonder if it's something to where it wasmaybe him
with some other peopleand Right, right, right.
And they were responsiblefor some of the post
elements to it with the audio frequency,all that kind of stuff.
And there was either falling outor they didn't want to take credit.

(53:24):
And he, you know, whatever. Yeah.
And so then it was just, all right,that was just me.
So let me mimic what I whatwe were trying to do and it's not.
Yeah, really hold up.
Yeah.
Absolutely. Yeah. I 100% buy into that.
So let's moveon the next Internet mystery.
I'm going to keep this one short for time
because it doesn'tneed a lot of explanation.
But this one might be the first Internetmystery that I paid attention to.

(53:48):
And I wasn't even thinkingInternet mystery back in the day.
This is something that caught my attentionin the 1990s, all the way.
Back.
In the 1990s, and that is
Who the Hell is runningthe Heaven Gates website?
Have you heard about that?I have heard about this, yes.
That's I am vaguely aware.

(54:08):
I feel like I was probably more awarein the nineties or something
busier or in the early aughts or whatever,but I know of this.
Yeah.
And this one similarly to the videoand the previous internet
or the internet mystery,it is kind of solved,
but I wasn't aware of it untilI was getting ready to do this episode.
I was like, Oh yeah, I got to talkabout this because I love this story.

(54:30):
Then I'm like, Oh,
but I still, because I love it so much,I want to at least talk about it.
I mean, a mystery is still a mysteryeven after may be solved, you know?
Yeah.
And there's still a bit of an ifof a twinge of a mystery at the end here.
So Heaven's Gate, forthose that don't know, they were a death
cult in the 1990s.
And their website, however, isstill going, still going strong.

(54:54):
Someone's paying for it, someone'shosting it, someone gave it, it going.
And for all the youngins out therethat don't know what life was like
on the internet in the 1990s,go check out the Heaven's Gate
website because I'm not worriedyou're not going to join a cult.
They like.
I trust you to look at iteverybody but learn
about what a website was likebecause it has not been updated.

(55:16):
So you have all the same imagery,all the same graphics.
Typeface, you know, whatever.
It's got.
Like it's not maybe,maybe it's not comic sans,
but kind of like a comicsyou kind of want.
Yeah, there's it'sclunky, it's hard to get to.
And playing in the background. Yeah.
It's like, like the hamster dance.
So something is just Yeah.

(55:37):
So throw in as much as we're laughing.
39 people committed mass suicidein Southern California in 1997, March
26, 1997, and the cult was ledby a guy named Marshall Applewhite.
It had been formed by himselfand a woman named Bonnie Nettles.
And Bonnie Nettlesactually passed away in the 1980s.
And because this is not a cult episode,

(56:01):
I think part of their belief systemwas that,
like Bonnie and Marshall can't die,they're like, They will live forever.
And then Bonnie died.
So Marshall had to be like,
Oh, well, now she's she's an alien,which isn't very good.
It had to like tap danceand try to figure out a new, new song.
Look over here. Look over here.Yeah. Yeah.
And so when they when they all committedsuicide, it coincided

(56:22):
with the passing of the Hale-Bopp comet,which was coming nearby Earth.
And their belief was that a UFOwas flying behind the comet.
And when they killed themselves,
they're going to transcendupon death up into that UFO.
So everybody,even if you're not aware of this story,
you've probably seen clips of MarshallApplewhite talking as they made

(56:42):
a lot of videos and he's got weirdeyes like doesn't blink.
A lot of the membersthat were part of the mass suicide
gave exit interviews on video,and a lot of those videos have been shared
where they're they're talking totheir loved ones they're leaving behind.
And so the question is
who, since they all
committed suicide,kept their Web site going.

(57:06):
And this is when I quickly found out therethere might be an answer to that
when I was like prayer, prayer.
But again, I love this story.So I had to do it.
So apparently there are two former membersof the cult who had left the cult,
but they had promised Applewhite thatthey were going to keep the website up.
And their names are Mark and Sarah King.

(57:26):
I don't mind sharing it because they arein a lot of articles online.
You'll find it everywhere.
So the mystery is solved.
Yeah, well, here's the thing.
Even if the Kings are the keepers,the keepers of the Heaven's Gate website,
why don't they ever change it?
Why Don't they update it?
What is their endgame?
Because they're not getting new members.

(57:47):
Why are they still like believers?
They have some cultish beliefs,I'll put it that way.
But I think they're different.
They're like they have their own beliefsthat are a little culty
and a little woo woo,but they're not quite where Heaven's Gate.
I mean, obviously because they left, they.
Weren't yo, you, they left. Yeah.
So I mean, there is a deeper psychologicalaspect to this.

(58:10):
I just don't know enough about them.
I don't think they give interviews. Yeah.
So I can't even try to crack.
They're the reasoning behind it.
But it doeskind of make me ask this question.
And I don't mean to sound more morbidbecause maybe the Kings will live
for 34 years or so, but what happenswhen they do pass away Are?

(58:32):
We going to find that the Heaven's Gatewebsite is still up
and everybody thought it was themthe whole time like that is.
That's the question I have.
So we're going to have to keep our eyespeeled on that.
Kind of website. Go to the website.
Oh, yes, do it. Do it.
I want to.Yeah, I've got to check this out.
Yeah, a little blast from the.

(58:55):
I never thought I'd bring up the hamsterhamster dance.
Let's get back home.
Let's fight. Yep, yep. Here.
Oh, yeah.
There. It's.
And it's like a websitewhere it's just, like,
just like, vertically.
And you just keep scrolling down.
I think there are some other pages,but again, it's hard to navigate
because it's nineties,you know, nineties software.

(59:16):
Area like neon text colors,just like class all over the place.
But trying to thinkif there is one to say was last updated,
you know, if there's a time stamp.
Here I think there is a time stamp
I think there may be even like a visitorcounter too or something like that.
I don't have it in front of me right now,so I'm not looking at it.
But yeah, there you go.

(59:36):
Heaven's Gate. Don't, don't,don't join up.
Sean, don't.
I don't know. These arethere's a pretty cool website.
They have gatein the shape of a keyhole. So
with red alert like in very lit,I think it is comic
sans, just like, flashing on screen,like this important stuff.

(59:57):
Yes. Hey, it's history.
And you were talking about how, like,the Internet, you know, we think about it
sort of saving everything becausethis website is going it is saving it.
And that is that's history.
That's a big story, man.
That is a big story and one to learn from.
So the fact that you can still go to thatsite is pretty, pretty amazing.
All right.
So moving on, Sean, This one, I thinkwe're going to end on this one here.

(01:00:20):
Okay.
And it is the mystery of art.
28211 dotcom are October28th, 2011 Dotcom.
It's a better way to say it.
This is a websitethat first came online a few months
before the date in the website name,and it went offline in 2015.
This website included text and images of

(01:00:42):
I will,I will just call it confounding nature,
and it was updated from time to timewith new images and or text.
And the image most mostly associated withthis site is an image.
It's like a cartoon of shreddedof the Schrödinger's cat equation.
Okay, so like questioning,you know, like, is the cat dead or alive?

(01:01:04):
And until you save observe, it.
Devastatesexisting simultaneously. Exactly.
And below that image, there was a poemand you're going to read them.
Oh, okay. Go ahead.
It was my,you know, my best poetry voice here.
Let's go.

(01:01:24):
When I'm scared and you're close,I feel it's hard to feel nowadays.
Can you find where to be?
Wait there and you'll be.
Things are never,never initially accepted.
However, there's plenty of time.
Give up. You must.
That's where history is taught you.
Keep losing track. Get back on the trains.

(01:01:44):
ST 262694681140.
In parentheses. Love.
That's how I signed all of my emails.
So the poem is it's a little weirdand create
some questions and vague and strangeand like a lot.
Yeah.
So this is what I writeback to the people I match with you.

(01:02:07):
Send me that.
You said you did your Markov in Parallax.
I replied with this poem.
You shouldyou should go see what their reaction is.
Yeah.
So this this to mekind of like the 60 3381i think
is the number of that where they were likehey solve this riddle and you can join
are saying this to me, it'sa little different but it does seem like

(01:02:29):
someone's trying to coax a reaction,like I'm going to put up clues.
You try to solve it.
And so some other imagesthat were on the site and subtext,
there is an image of an ovalthat had a label zero.
There was a smaller circleinside that oval labeled you.
There was like a blurred line.
Underneath that.
There was another image of two lines, onethat was labeled lay,

(01:02:50):
and then there was a spaceand another line labeled
wakes, sort of like O gapbetween asleep and awake.
And you know, the Schrödinger's cat there.
What state is this in?
So there's some connective tissueto all the kind of imagery and clues
that are being leftthat are all over my head.
But still,it seems to be that there is a cohesion

(01:03:11):
to the types of thingsthat are being posted.
There's also likethere were there would be blurry
mathematical figures or equations.
There'd be
there was also
a series of pictures of people in a parkand there were like slight changes
to each frame.
There is text underneaththat read choice is yours.
There is an image of a manlying down and up at the same time

(01:03:34):
sort of referencing awake again.
There was like a math equationunderneath that.
There was some text that even readlike when did dreams
start to seep into reality choices yours?
And then there is also this other textthat I will that's the next thing
to read for you.

(01:03:55):
Take a day to reflectand see what has changed for you.
Things are never initially accepted.
You are seeing right now.
It hasn't been discoveredor why most ideas never blossom.
The negativity all around iswhat has caused separation in parentheses.
In humans, individualin parentheses, awareness

(01:04:16):
needing to prove to one's other selfthat they are right and you in
parentheses one are wrong forgettingcompletely who they actually are.
One, two, three, fourand parenthetical Asterisk Dash
asterisk begin parenthetical 4321.
In parentheses.
That one is free in parentheses.

(01:04:38):
Your negativity has slowed us down.
We're waiting.
You now.
I will provide a link in my show notesto a gentleman on YouTube
that like dives into a lot of theseand talks about the theories
and meanings behind them alland in really amazing ways.
The guy does just a fantastic job.
And what the next part about this mysterythat is really cool

(01:05:03):
is there was alsoa phone number on the site
and if you called it, there was justthe sound of like some beeps,
some weird sound effects,no words and breathing
and yeah, this isand this is a fun mystery
to read about on Reddit and on YouTubeand other sites read the comments
because a lot of people were like into itwhen it was happening.

(01:05:24):
And there was one commenterwho said, who actually looked into it
and said that the website was registeredon August seven, 2011, in Alabama,
and the phone number that was onthe site was from Texas.
So this is likely someone from the South
and the someone actually did record
because the phone number doesn't do whatit used to do, but someone actually did.

(01:05:46):
Record post it. Yeah.
And to me it sounds like a recording
because a lot of commentsdon't think it was a recording.
They think like someone was on the end.
But when you hear it,it sounds very much like a recording.
And that makes sensebecause you have a number online
and people are randomly callingand you want it to,
you know, it's going to be a recording.
Someone on Redditalso claims this, that he made it.

(01:06:09):
He made the whole sitefor a high school project
and someone posted a link to this comment.
I can't even remember whereit'll probably be in my show notes.
Hopefully I have to be saved,
but when I first started reading this,
this comment, I was like, This is allthis is all bullshit and I'll explain why.
But some people believe it.
Like some guy said it,he made it for a high school project,

(01:06:30):
but he saidhe made it for a high school project
and he said the phone numberis his ex-girlfriend's phone number.
And that to me,just automatically I'm like, No,
I don't believe it,because it's a recording
like Your Front your is going to havethis weird recording on it. No.
And then he also commentsthat he wants everybody
to join the Confederate States of America.
So I think that is a troll.

(01:06:50):
I don't believe he did this
because there is this websitehad a lot of this philosophical stuff
trying to pose certain questionsin this philosophical manner.
It wasn't somethingthat's like join the Confederate States.
Yeah, I feel like my girlfriend's.Phone numbers up.
Like it just doesn't that does.
Not take at allclash with the rest of everything.
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
So what is it all mean?

(01:07:11):
I will be the first to admit that.
I have no idea.
But there are many people that talkabout this, like astral plane element.
This like.
Like the Schrödinger cat thing.
What state are wein? Do we have a choice in the matter?
Choice is yours and the astral planeis this existence that's explored
in many religions and spiritual groupsfor thousands of years, which,

(01:07:34):
if I use the definition from Wikipedia,it is.
It is the world of celestial spherescrossed by the soul and its astral body
on the way to being born and after death,and is generally believed
to be populated by angels, spiritsor other immaterial beings.
So yeah, this is something that's beenphilosophize about for thousands of years.

(01:07:55):
So my theory
and I'm really curious what yoursis, but mine is that
this is legitimately someone that was likegoing through something
and really thinking about stuff like thisand was getting a little,
you know, playful online in terms of like,I want to provoke some thought.
I want to reach out and seeif anybody is going to see the same things

(01:08:16):
I see or think about the same stuffI'm thinking about.
If I posed this to the Internet world,
they might be not as smartas they think they are.
In my in my mind, because there seemsto be some randomness in stuff to this.
But but that's my my initial thought isI actually do think someone was hoping
to find basically find a friendor get a reaction from people in a way

(01:08:38):
that they could feel like
they put something out thereto make people think, you know.
Yeah, I definitely I see that.
It reminds me, I'm sure you arebut familiar with the museum address
technology here in L.A..
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
So it has a vibeof that to it as well, where
it's almostthere's if you haven't been to that

(01:09:00):
listeners, you got to gocheck out Museum of Jurassic Technology.
There's a plug for that.
But it's, it's this weird linethat is you're never quite
sure if you're on the side ofis this legit like is this
are they doing this in all seriousnessor is there a level of irony this to this?
Are they are they self-aware to knowthat this is like

(01:09:23):
there is kind of a jokeor there's an element of humor to it
and humor is not the right word. But,you know what?
Irony and that's kind of the vibeI get from this where it's like
like a philosophy student
who is like, so full of themselves,who thinks they're groundbreaking
and just as a little lackingself-awareness. Yes.
Or is it like a
you know, like a punk kid who is like,I'm going to make fun of the philosophy.

(01:09:47):
Yeah, right. That's right.
But I do think it is someone
who is with that mentality of like,I'm going to create something crazy.
And it's it's also weird with
with this specifically,but I think in a lot of ways, kind of like
just mysteries in generalis almost like art where you know
what, like, you know, think of abstractindie films, avant garde films, right?

(01:10:09):
That are just imagesand, you know, whatever.
And it's not very clearwhat the narrative is.
But that's not the point.
The point is, what do youwhat are you getting out of it?
You know, all that kind of.
Yeah, there's an element to that, too,where it's just like, I'm
I just want people to interpret this.
I just want people to read thisand get something different out of it.

(01:10:31):
So I don't know if that really shedany light in terms of the specific mystery
like solving, but I do think it's comesfrom a very human place
of like interpretationand finding meaning in in these things.
And I think there'ssomething in all of these
in in
even more of the Internet mysteriesthat we're not talking about

(01:10:53):
there is the word that keeps coming tomind is just provocation.
And I don't mean like I don't mean provokeand necessarily had way.
Surely negative way. Exactly right.
But there's there seems to be this
I just want to
if I was creating something,I just want to provoke a reaction.
I'm looking for someone to say, Oh,that's cool.

(01:11:15):
Or Oh my God, what does that mean?
Especially with like the weirder ones,you want people talking
and as soon as you see a group of peopleasking questions that are going,
Oh, it could be this, it could be that,it could be this, that's got to be it's
going to mean something to the peoplethat are creating these things.
And yeah, and I that ties in kind ofperfectly with what I want to do here

(01:11:36):
to wrap up with you, which is ifwe can learn from some of these stories
and this doesn't have to be a deep thing,like what do we want out of it?
But just what would we come with or do?
And, you know,it doesn't have to be both of us together.
But like, but what would we come up withif we wanted to generate

(01:11:58):
the next great online mystery?
You know,Would it be a website with poems?
Would it be a video?
Would it be an art project?
Or we're taking pictures of itand using Instagram as like, the source.
Like what? What would it be?So what have you learned?
So, I mean, yeah, like you're saying,a lot of it is the just like

(01:12:20):
this idea that the Internet is kind of
presenting people with an overwhelmingamount of content, right?
And, and also we're becoming more isolatedand people trying to find those
connections and finding meaning inand what they hope are connections.
So, you know, and then the alsothe idea of intent, to me

(01:12:43):
that's another big thing is that like,you know,
a lot of these mysteries to me boil downto not so much the specifics of like, Oh,
we know how this was postedor we know these people are still
keeping this website up, but like,what's the intent behind it?
And that's almost more intriguingthan any of the specifics
anyway.
So something that kind of came to mindand maybe for obvious reasons

(01:13:07):
is something around somethingcirculating around a podcast.
Yeah, I think that is maybe ripefor a kind of a new type of mystery
history that hasn't been really kindof explored before.
I like the idea too, of contentwithout a clear origin.
So this idea that like a podcasthas surfaced and true

(01:13:30):
crime's really popular now.
So whatever a true crime podcastabout a murder or something like that.
And no, you know,people aren't listening to it right
when it comes out, but it's just like, Oh,
this podcast came on like a year ago,but no one had heard of it or anything.
But now it'skind of people are starting it
and as they're listening,they're like, it's about a murder.
But what the murder, the dates are like.

(01:13:52):
It happened after the podcast aired,but but no one
heard the podcastwhen it originally aired.
And and then they're like, it'snot a podcast that is,
you know the host is cannot be found It's
it's a namethat no one knows of that suspects
someone is real but you go and talk tothis person is like

(01:14:13):
I haven't killed anyone and it'sit doesn't line up with their you know
like where like small inconsistencybut it's based enough in reality.
Like there's enough things that like pointto real and even small things like,
you know,
maybe there's a weirdlysome a popular podcast or a well-known
podcast has in some of the show notesa link to this podcast.

(01:14:34):
And they're like, we never put,how did that get there?
We never post that link ourselves,you know?
And then I like the idea to of like,you know,
the last episode never was,has never been found or never
last episode was going to be likewhere they went to go talk to the.
Seth Yeah.
And you were going, it was going to be
the one on one interview with the suspectand that's never aired.

(01:14:56):
What happened that like,you know, is it lasted
did they get killed when they wheneveryou know or is it was it all a hoax?
Was itjust someone trying to get attention?
Because true crime's popularnow and everyone wants to, you know,
listen to true crime.
And so they were just creatingthis whole thing?
Or is thereis there based basis to any of this?
I don't know.
I, I just the podcast sounds fun in terms.

(01:15:18):
Yeah. Yeah.
And I feel weird saying this,
but I didn't think podcastwhen I was trying to think of this,
even though that's the main thingI consume and I now make a podcast.
But I did not, did not think about that.
And that is, that's really interestingbecause that is kind of like the one sort
of online piece of content that I don'tthink there is a great mystery, right?

(01:15:40):
That's what I don't know.
Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, yeah.
If any of you know of any,please let me know.
Send me a message.
Yeah. No, that's, that's cool.
Especially that.
Yeah.
It's got to have something weird.
Was a date and you had ki.
What is key for me in a lot of theseand it's one of the reasons why I like the
the mysterious songmystery is it didn't really go viral

(01:16:01):
until almost ten yearsafter it was first posted online.
And even then it's almost 40 yearssince the song.
So there's something really interestingabout the dates.
And yeah,I think if you were to do a podcast
you just kind of like leave it be.
Yeah, let it sit there awhile,You let it stew and.
Then it could even be like,

(01:16:22):
you know, it's a murder from the ninetiesor decades ago.
So then the thing is like, wait, was,was this actually real murder?
And like, there's elements, elements of itthat like met their will.
There is a police record of a911call that they mentioned
but there's no official record of a murderlike you know those types of things.
Well, what's what's what you could dobecause, you know,

(01:16:42):
a lot of people love thewhat is it called?
It's the like, oh, I remember when
Sinbad was in the.
You know, the Mandela. Mandela. Yeah.
So you look at like the Mandela effectwhere people think, you know, we have this
blending of different dimensionsor times or places or whatever.
And if you do a podcast about a murderlet's say in the nineties. Mm.

(01:17:05):
But the person who's the victimor the killer is a real person.
Yes. That is alive,that was not arrested or not
and they don't know aboutit because the podcast doesn't catch on
for a while that someone comes across itand they're like, Wait a second, yeah,
but that's the mayor of Burbank right nowor whatever and it's.

(01:17:26):
Like back the woman from the, uh,
who had the email and they like,No, yeah, yeah.
Have no idea what this is.
It's a real person and I don't know whyit's my account, you know?
So it's like, are we drifting intothese are the are the dimensions drifting?
Are they, you know, what do they call it.
The I forget what the word isbut yes, the two different
universes are coming together.

(01:17:49):
That would be really interesting.
I like the idea of a podcast.
My mind always goes to videos. Yeah.
And and honestly again, the the 11 be ex
yada yada yada videothat had an impact on me
when I used to be producing lot of shortdigital horror content.
I had an idea for a shortI wanted to do in the make it a series

(01:18:09):
where peopleit would be a bit of a found footage thing
where people find old actuallike 16 millimeter film in an Airbnb
cabin, an old cabin, and they're like,Oh, you know, it'd be cool.
We had to find a way to play this.
And they actually go outand they like get the right projectors
to be able to playit and they play it and it's

(01:18:29):
a murder
in the cabin from like 50 years ago.
Yeah. And then it's like, Oh my God.
Oh, and it's but,but the whole plan was to release
the video of the film months
the movie was ever out, and.
And it wouldn't have been likea gruesome thing,
you know, You would have heard a lie.You would have a show. No, but.

(01:18:50):
But you had to release it,You know, six months before the
before the film ever came outand not even say anything.
Just have its own little YouTube channel.
No comments, no description,just something weird
that I love the idea of old film,you know, I just like that look and that,
you know, the
the ring did it with the style of thatthe VHS and that the

(01:19:10):
the plague doctor video
that we talked about tonighthas that even though it
obviously was not shot on film,you can tell it was all digital,
that they had that kind of like jitterytrajectory kind of effect to it.
And also just the mysterythat can come from still,
you know, the darkness or dark in film,and especially if you're shooting on eight
millimeters 16.
You know, there's certain details

(01:19:32):
don't see that you see in high defthat make it more mysterious
because your mind is nowfilling in blanks.
And there's a style to that,
especially if sound wasn't recordedwith it too, because.
Oh yeah, that,that there's a whole element to it.
I think there's
something really interesting to the ideaof the internet being something.
So what we can generally speakingthink of as like new
and when introduce like that film qualityit it ages things

(01:19:55):
and it implies a level of historyand depth.
Yeah.
It's sometimesreally hard to find internet
and you know, go on YouTube or whatever,and it's like nothing.
Everything feels like,
you know, time has stoppedand everything is of the present time.
But if you can have this feeling likethis is somehow both modern
because we're watching it onlinewith modern technology, but it's something

(01:20:18):
that is old, that somehowthere's a weird kind of clash.
These two these two elements,I think that's really intriguing as well.
No, Yeah, this is it's really interestingand I love the idea of the podcast
to to think about something
and Internet mysteries, to
also bring up this kind of deeper questionabout what mysteries mean.

(01:20:39):
And I think
because the Internet is a world of itsown, it's a universe of its own, it's,
you know, like it's really interestinghow these spread or don't spread
because there's a lot out therethat never caught on. Yeah, exactly.
Virus that we haven't heard aboutand how it affects us
and how they're generatedis really interesting.
And I tried to give a little bitof a colorful array of different kinds

(01:21:03):
of mysteries tonight, but you did mentionand the first one I did
and in the last one, so the date website
I love, I can't rememberwhat the first story was about.
Kobe and Mark.Jovian Parallax Dinner. Great.
So Mark Colvin, Parallax denigrate.
But you talked about this provoking thing.

(01:21:23):
I keep using the word provoking,but this like I seem,
it seems to be like someone doing itjust to do it. Yes.
And ask it even if it's random and there's
something interesting about thatbecause we can't get clear answers.
Because we can't get clear answers.
It makes a bigger mystery.
Yeah, well, it'sthe human understanding that
the people who are maybe provokingor doing this,

(01:21:46):
whatever motivation deliberately,they ignore the like, realization
that humans try to find meaning inpretty much anything.
They try to find patterns.
So what do you do to create a mystery?
You purposely create somethingwith no pattern, with no deeper meaning.
And right that that just leavesthe human imagination to dig

(01:22:07):
that well, as deepas it'll possibly go right.
So it is. Yeah.
The internet is a weird thingwhere it just feels so modern,
but it's it's,you know, it's modern story.
It's the modern space,it's us creating our own mysteries.
Whereas, you know, for most of history,it's these weird events
that have happened.

(01:22:27):
And what, what explanations can we com or,
you know, storieswe tell to explain these events.
But the Internet is we're creating thisthis you know, I mean there
you know whatever is mysteriesthat maybe there's some mystery of oh
no, that's part of the historybut essentially this is all manmade.
But we still try to find meaningand we still try to find depth
even with that acknowledgment.

(01:22:48):
I think one thing that's always interestintriguing is like as a kid,
when you were real littleand the night was seemed endless, right?
You know, you had to go to bedbecause the night was endless,
you know, and you wake up in the morning.
But as you get older, there's athere is a little bit
of mental disappointment or somethingwhen you're like, oh, stayed up.

(01:23:10):
No, the nights not that
is a couple hours.
Now it's day again,like you know what I mean?
And so you're as I think in insome level we're always striving
to find like we want the worldto be bigger in a lot of ways.
We want the mystery to have, like,you know, the dark web.
You think that your stories, the dark Weband you it conjures

(01:23:31):
this like, oh, there's justmillions of people doing these exchanges.
It's like, I don't know if that's true.
There'sprobably a couple of guys selling drugs.
And that's what the dark Web is.
I mean, I'msure there's real bad stuff on there, But,
you know, I mean, like we we in my mind,you think of this terminology
and it creates this whole worldsthat were ripe to explore
have just so much juicy stuff to knowyou mean in.

(01:23:53):
Yeah but but it may not be thatand that doesn't mean
that there's not valuein still creating these stories,
but it is like,yeah, it's just an interesting idea.
It's yeah, yeah.
And look,there's, there's real mysteries that you.
See there is sorry.
And I'm not saying to defend anythingthat we're saying.
I just want to clarify, not all of themare just made up to do whatever.

(01:24:14):
Yeah, but you said somethingreally interesting about this.
Like a childlike re reaction to these things.
And I remember growing up and hearing aI think it was probably at a sleepover
or someone at school said this and thenmy brother and I started talking about it.
But I grew up in Florida, a lot of lakesin Florida and a lot of alligators.
And someone told us a storyabout an alligator

(01:24:37):
that was like the size of a semi-truckjumped out of the water of this
lake that my grandparents lived on.
And like eight somebody off this bridgethat went over it, it was real to us.
And we started telling other about itand it became this like neighborhood
wide story amongst kids that there's likethis truck size alligator in the lake.

(01:24:57):
And it but there was somethingso fun about it and it was scary,
but there was somethingso amazing about creating this story
or not creating it because we were told itbut like, yeah, living in this.
World, doing a. Story. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And trying to find reasoning behind itand the meaning behind it
and what is it going to doand can we kill it?

(01:25:17):
Do we tell people about,you know, like all this kind of stuff.
And I think internet mysteriescan provide us a similar
not forum but.
Outlet for that. Yes.
To get that same sensation of a story.
Yeah.
I also want to share this, talking about

(01:25:38):
how would we create this Internet mystery.
It's different, but similar.
But a friend of mine years ago,this is like 2012 was like conspiracy
theories are getting out of handand this is 2012 or now they're.
Really the worst way.
These like conspiracytheories are getting out of hand.
I think people believe anythingI'm going to I'm going to create

(01:25:59):
a new conspiracy theoryjust a fuck up, just like fuck the world.
And I don't thinkhe ever came up with one.
But I remember recently there wasthat birds aren't real conspiracy theory.
I actually had this aboutat the very beginning of the episode.
Yeah. Something. And it made me think ofBirds are real. Real.
Yeah. Yeah.And that was made up as a joke.
Now there's thousands of people thatbelieve it, and it was made up as a joke.

(01:26:22):
It's it's kind of weird with the Internet.
It's it's almost like.
Right, The Internet reflects realityand now it's come full circle.
The inverse reality reflects the Internet,and maybe reflex is the right word,
but right where it's like weirdpeople are now taking reality.
They theytheir view of reality is now based

(01:26:42):
on the machinations that they're creatingof what they see online.
I mean, yeah, like conspiracy.
Obviously,there's a lot of examples of that, but
not just in that extreme case, but that isso many people's lives and stories.
Everything is just like informedand influenced by that.
We're hit real hard here, I guess.But yeah, I. Know.

(01:27:03):
I went way off, way offwhere I was going to end the episode.
But it's it's a lot of fun to think about.
Yeah, and there's a lot to think aboutwhen you consider and when you look
at these Internet mysteriesin a much deeper way than I intended.
And I love that.I love that about these things.
And I want to explore some more Internetmysteries, maybe even some of these
on a on a much deeper levelthan I was able to to tonight.

(01:27:26):
And but yeah, let's let'swrap it up there.
Yeah.
So Sean, thank you so much for coming onAnd do you want to do
you want to push anythingyou plug anything about your socials.
Yeah.
Well, just thanks for having me Go go playLast of US and watch the last decision.
Go, go, Watch goes the Ozarks.
I know you plugged it, and I do it again.
Dude, I'll do it again.

(01:27:47):
You know, I worked on that,
co-wrote that ad that, you know,so that's always fun to plug that
and other than that, I don't know.
Go support your local library.
Go read.
Yeah. Mysteries from you.
No one no one has said that yet.
John And I feel bad
because I should be sayingthat to go support your local library.

(01:28:08):
That is very true.
You know, it's.
Very books for free listeners.
Yes, there are no there.
Movies.
For families and I think they even havee-book like I think you could get e-book.
I don't know you can yeah thisyou can't get any of us get library card.
Yes you can check out ebooks.
And I think in most places,
like I think in L.A.,we can get library cards digitally.

(01:28:29):
I don't think you ought to go in theretomorrow.
You you don't have to go inand get a library card.
You can do it all online.
Everything's including mysteries.
Yes. Thank you again, John.
I mean, it was so much fun. I had a blast.
It was a pleasure.
I love we solved everything.
I love solving everything.
We solved all the mystery.
Oh, yeah. It's always best.
I always solve everything.

(01:28:49):
You listen to the show I saw.
Everything has been solved.
Everything and nothing would get solvedwithout podcasters.
I think that is.
That is a true statement.
That is a very true statement.
All right. Well, thank you again.
And thank you for creating
and doing everything yourselfand all the Last of US games.
That was fantastically. You.
No problem. Yeah.
I wish I worked out a better contract.

(01:29:10):
I really don't get paid hard.Like just pennies.
Yeah. That nice.
All right. Thanks a lot, Chad. Sit by.
Thank you for listening to the show.
A special thank you to Johnny
Anthony Daniels for joining usto discuss these Internet mysteries.
Make sure to follow the show on Instagramat a study of strange.
Feel free to reach out with comments,

(01:29:32):
notes, thingsI missed, ideas for future episodes.
Any and all those thingsmessage me at a study of strange.
All one word at gmail.com.
If you're enjoying the show, pleasesure to subscribe rate and review
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(01:29:52):
In the coming weeks, we have reallyexciting episodes coming out.
We have a Canadian murder mystery
and we also have deep divesinto the Connecticut Witch
trials, The History of Zombies,
which I'm really excited about.
I think that does it.

(01:30:13):
Thank you and good night.

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