January 17, 2023 • 53 mins
In the mid-1930s, RAF officer Sir Victor Goddard experienced what might be the most famous case of a "time slip." By the end of his life, Goddard was a decorated and respected military veteran (of two world wars), writer, speaker, and firm believer in the paranormal. Though Goddard is full of mysterious stories and theories, his time slip experience remains the most perplexing. On this episode of A Study of Strange we explore Goddard's bizarre flight that lead to a momentary look into the future.
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A handful of years before WorldWar Two, Royal Air Force officer Sir
Victor Goddard was flying a biplanefrom Scotland back to his base in England.
What happenednext may be the most famous story of
what is nowcalled a time slip, a momentary experience
or anomaly where someone visitsor sees into a different time.
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See? Victor Goddardthought he saw into the future.
Four or five years for a brief moment
while flying over the DreamAirfield in Scotland.
What he saw, he thinks,can only be explained by time travel.
What's intriguing about this phenomenonis that the more we learn about
the universe, the more some of the craziertheories about time, time
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travel, alternate dimensions,alternate realities, etc., etc.
all seem to be more validthan they used to.
Goddard's time slipand the plethora of other stories
from others that have experienceslike it may be proof
that our understanding of timeis just getting started.
And Victor Goddardhad other paranormal experiences as well.
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This is a study of
strange.
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Welcome to the show.
I'm Michael May.
And today I'm joined by ScottSmith, who's in actually in the studio.
I haven't had someone in the studioin a long time.
It's very nice.
Was the secretaryvery nice to you when you came in?
Where like where you taking care of?You got water and. Oh, yeah.
The front office people were great.
It was nice. It's good. I'm very glad.
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So you live in Colorado, and I.
I've been preparing this episode.
Not specifically for you,but you did mention to me
that you've heard a little bit about thiskind of idea of a time slip before,
so that might be interesting toto have this story told to you today.
Wonderful. Yeah. Yeah.
What do you know about time slips?
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Not a ton.
I know.
Being in Colorado,you get all the especially get the Utah
stories coming across Skinwalkerand you get a bunch of
time slip stuff there.
And it depends.
Certain guys, it looks like
they just look into the distanceand they say they can see the future.
Some guys have saidthey'd like walk through a portal
and they're in the future. Kind of.Yeah, yeah.
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Now it'sthis topic really fascinates me and,
and it's one that I'm using hereat the start of the year on the show.
I'm kind of finding some episodes toexplore topics that I don't know as well.
Like, I tend to know
more of like the true crime type of stuffthat's more in my, my wheelhouse.
But I do have a fascinationwith time slips,
most like the famous timetravel stories out there.
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Like there's John Teeter.I think it's his name.
It's like a guy online.
It's like, I'm from the future and
there's like these interesting stories,but I'm always like, no bullshit.
Whereas like the time slip stories,part of me is like, you know,
there's a lot of stuffwe don't understand out there.
And either the actual physics of itis very interesting.
And there's always the, what we call it,Photoshopped pictures of the, you.
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Know, the.
Future guy with a wristwatchfrom The Goonies or something.
And most of thoseI don't believe there's a famous one
where I'm totally going on a tangent here,but this is fun stuff.
But there's this famous videothat popped up on YouTube back
when, like YouTubestarted of a Charlie Chaplin movie
and a woman walking bywith what they say is an iPhone.
And I am a Charlie Chaplin fan.
You may not have noticed in my house,
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but I have a box of CharlieChaplin movies and.
Multiple Boxsets. Yes,I have seen that movie.
I own that movie.
It is a hearing aid device.
It's basically a coneyou put up to your ear to hear.
And you see herjust scenes later in that movie using it.
But people see that one clip on YouTube.
It's like iPhone time travelerand it's like to what end what
and why she who she call it. Yeah, right.
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Who are you.
Calling it, like 1918 or whatever.
Advanced enough to travel through time.
I feel like you're going to remember
to put away your iPhoneif you're going to be on camera. Exactly.
But yeah, she's still dressed in time.
Appropriate,but carrying an iPhone anyway.
That's not really the point of thisepisode today.
Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to talkabout a famous time slip story.
And this is the first oneI think I ever heard,
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and that's why I wanted to explore ita little bit more.
It is very famous, but it is interestingto think about who experienced it.
There is a biography behind Sir VictorGoddard, who experienced this famous time.
So that story.
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And Scott,like I said, you're from Colorado.
You worked in the rental car businessfor a long time. Yes.
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This is not appropriatefor the episode either.
But do you have any crazy storiesof like people leaving weird stuff.
In their cars constantly?
I worked in the back end,
so on the repair side of it,so I would get the cars either
after they had returned from the rentaland somebody hit something or the
record card ends up at the body shop.
I usually got to see all the stuff, likewhen somebody you pulled out of your car
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short notice. So yeah, yeah, yeah.
It runs the gamut of like,Oh, this kid's going to be heartbroken.
He lost his his blankie.
You can tellit's still in the backseat of the car
till, like,what was this guy doing like this?
This collection of paraphernaliathey don't really match.
Yeah, it's.
And then you get the, the the gruesomestuff sometimes like a bad accident.
(05:53):
So it's it's it runs the gamut. Yeah.
Are you allowed to share a story.
Maybe when we're done with this episodefor, for like a quick patron drop,
like some sort of crazy car story.Are you like?
Absolutely. Oh, nice, Nice.
Well, there you go.
Ladies and gentlemen,listeners, out there, please join Patria
to listen to some crazy rentalcar stories from Scott later on.
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That's really exciting. Thank you.
Okay, so time slips.
We'vetalked a little bit about it already.
Just for those that don't know,it is a it's essentially like a paranormal
experience that some people claimto have happened to them
or seen or heard or believewhere you literally like the names.
And as time slip, you kind of slipthrough time for a brief, brief moment
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where there's famous
stories of people walking down the streetand suddenly they're in the 1950s
and they walk into a shopand then it switches back.
Or that the story today is a gentleman
in a plane who looks downand sees into a different time.
So he he believes
and there are so many of these storieslike more than I ever realized,
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most of them are in England,which is interesting.
And a lot of them are in Liverpool,which I find really fascinating.
Liverpoolhas like a long history of time slips
and the people that that are staunchbelievers in time slippage
say that it typically happensin like ancient areas
where there's been likea lot of a lot of stuff that's happened,
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there's a lot of energyand things like that.
It's a special energy getting refractedoff of Stonehenge and shooting around.
Yeah, even that's in the same area.I don't know.
I've only ever been to the UKto play rugby and it's in and out.
Yeah.
No, I don't think that's near Liverpool.
But I could be wrong.
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I could be wrong about that.
So the the manwe're going to talk about today,
his name is Victor Godard or
Sir Victor Godardand he's from the UK, from England
and he was a right high rankingofficer in the Royal Air Force.
He was a veteran of both World wars.
He was obviously knightedbecause I said, Sir,
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and I'll get into his biographyafter I tell tell
the tale of the time slip,
because who he isis actually a really interesting
it's just interesting to considerthat he's the one who experienced this
for a variety of reasons,not just because he is a trustworthy
veteran and high ranking individual,
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but also because he has very strongbeliefs in the paranormal.
So you have to take that into account
when you're trying to deduceif this is a real thing or not.
And so we're going to dig into hima little bit.
So the Times slip story,it takes place in 1934.
A lot of what I read online is in 1935,but in Goddard's
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own words, it is it takes place in 1934.
He was a wing commanderat the time in the Royal Air Force,
and he was flying up to Edinburgh,Scotland from a base in and over England.
And he was only going to be in Scotland
just a few days to do a littlehop, do some work, go back.
Now, while he was
in the area, he flew over the DreamAirfield, which had been built
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for use in World War One,and I think it was built in 1916.
It stopped being used as an airbaseafter World War One in 1919.
And the common taleis that Goddard wanted to check it out
because he had spent time there whenhe was in the Army during World War One.
And he noticed as he went therethat the airfield was no longer in use.
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The hangars were falling apart,
the landing strip was crackedand grass is growing out of it
and the whole areahad been turned into a farm.
So there are cattle grazingon different sections of the old airbase.
And idyllic English countryside.Oh, that's. Right.
But it's beautiful, actually.
And then he he sort of saw this,he continued on to his base
and he was flying a Hawker Hart biplane.
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So a biplane,you know, the double wing thing.
But it's also it's an open cockpit plane.
Those are fun.I got to find one when I was little.
Seriously?
Yeah, I've always I hate flying,but I've always wanted to fly
in one of the Petrified.
I was little.It was a Boy Scouts thing. Oh, that's.
Didn't get I would never have done that.
Didn't want to go.
But my, my dad was like, yeah, you'renever going to get this chance again.
(10:10):
You're going, Yeah. Yeah.
It was fantastic.
Do you remember how old you were?
I only ever remember agesby what grade? I think I was in
third or fourth grade.
I was maybe eight, nine,something like that.
Yeah, very cool.
Yeah. So Goddard, he.
He flies on to the base in Scotlandhe's going to stay at.
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And the very next day he's flying
back to England and he encounters a storm,a really bad storm.
And part of why I mentioned
that this is a hawker heartwhich, which is the open cockpit thing
is there's no modern navigation,there's no modern amenities.
He's in the open.
So when it's raining, he's getting rainedon, which is not fun.
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Driving through rain at speed,which I've done in cars before
and it gets really treacherous.
And he tries to climbto get kind of over the clouds
and he ends up basically spinning out ofcontrol as he does that. And
now the main
point, too, about no modern navigationis he uses dead reckoning to navigate,
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which is basically,you see something in the distance,
you know,which kind of direction you're flying,
and that's how you navigate sovery old school way of going about things.
Yeah, when you're in one of those, it'sjust you're sitting in a tin tub
and there's a control stick and 40and that's about it.
That's it, that's all you have.
So I'm going to read a quote herefrom Goddard of what happened
when he encountered this stormand what happened next.
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In the winter of 1934,I was flying an airplane.
It was a Hawker Hart,a mighty fast plane for those days.
In fact, it was in a plane of that type.
In the following year,I held the Edinburgh to
London speed record in the cloud and fogand heavy rain.
I had come spiraling down8000 feet out of control all the way,
so I was wondering whether I should plunge
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into the mountains of Scotlandor into the Firth of Forth before
I got my heart under control again,my hawker heart was at last under control.
My personal heart was not.
It was in my throat.
I flew straight on, climbing slightlyto clear the foreshore.
I said to myself, If I go straighton, I'll head off Dream Airfield.
So yeah, he spun out of controlthrough this storm, kind himself,
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and as he got to like almost nearthe ground in some accounts
he's just like ten feet off the groundwhen he gets his control of the plane.
And the Firth of Forth is actually it'san estuary, so it's water.
It's, you know, the end of where riversand stuff are meeting the sea in Scotland.
And he recognizes that.
And he wants to head to dream airfields.
In some accounts,
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I read he's doing this on purposebecause because it's dead reckoning,
they'll know where he isand where he needs to turn, where to go.
And so that was a direct quote.
Yes, that was a direct quote from him.
At some point.
So poetic.
Oh, he's English knows how to do is a yes.
And specifically, sir, Sir Goddard,he is a great, great talker.
He wrote a lot.
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He wrote a lot about military this storyhe did not account for publicly
until the mid sixtieswhen he read an article about it
in that it includes it in his bookin the mid seventies.
But he's a big, big writer, big talker,master of language, and also very funny.
So just like that,
that very wonderful Englishwit is like full in this guy.
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I love him.
Now as he's headed offover there to the Dream Airfield, suddenly
oftentimes you'll read this is likethe sky turns yellowish brown.
So there's this weird color in the airas he's flying and it's still raining,
but it kind of breaks through and becomesvery clear suddenly.
And this is when Goddard noticedthat the Dream Airfield was somehow now
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in perfect condition,
whereas the day before it was all torn upand it was farmland.
And here I'm going to continue the quotefrom him
in his own words.
The hangars were darkly looming towardsme, only a quarter of a mile away.
Then suddenlythe area was bathed in an ether, a light
as though the sun was shiningon a midsummer day.
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As I raced over the airfield,I saw some surprising things.
Evidently, as I saw it, the rain hadrecently stopped the airfield.
All unfenced was evenly mown.
No cattle or sheepwere grazing the tarmac around.
The hangars was wide and new.
The hangars all had sound roofs.
The doors of the first hangar were open
and five aircraftall bright yellow, four of them biplanes.
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One monoplane were lined up on the tarmac.
Mechanicsin blue overalls were pushing out.
Another monoplane.
The men below were not interested in meas I sped over them, not more than 50 feet
above the hangars,and I flew out of the sunshine
into the dark rain and mist again.
So to kind of reiterate, sky opens up.
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It's beautiful,it's sunny, it's wonderful.
And the hangars are rebuilt, the runwaysrebuilt all from the day before.
There's
this is where you do find differencesand his own words
and what you always read about the casenormally you read he saw four planes.
He's saying he saw five, maybe six.
So he saw five planes.
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Four are by planes. One is monoplane.
And there may have been a second monoplanein the hangar as well.
And all the mechanics are wearingblue overalls and.
Yes, sir.Are you going to say something? No.
It sounds on brand for
the mechanics out in the field.Absolutely.
So what's interesting about that, though,is that a first of all,
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the storm has suddenly gonebe everything's rebuilt.
The RAAF in 1934 did not have any planespainted yellow,
so that was an unco airman,to say the least.
That's probably an awful colorfor like hiding in the gray skies.
Well, what they do.
What they do nowand they started to do in the story
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you'll hear about is it's training planesthat get painted yellow now
and the mechanics in 1934for the RAAF wore
brown jumpsuits not blue.
So there's some weird also mono planes.
There apparently were no mono planesin the RAAF at the time.
So this is all very interestingand very strange. And
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and then the storm comes back.
He sort of passes over the airfield.
He sees all this and then suddenlyback into the storm, he's able to actually
climb back to a certain good altitudeto kind of keep himself relatively safe.
I guess safe may not be the right word,but he's able to fly
and he continues on backto and over into England.
And that's kind of the end of the storyfor a while.
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He does mention
that he tried to tell people on the groundabout this like at some other officers,
and they thought he was justkooky and weird and maybe drunk or crazy.
So he just in his words,he just stopped telling people about it.
Yeah.
Is that were the changes in the storycome along or it's
sort of the game of telephonethat works its way down.
Like you heard this crazy pilot saying.
I don't think that's when it does.
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I and this is something to consider aswell if you
if you try to deduce or investigator,
you're trying to figure outif this really happened, either
did he make it upor did he experience something
and he thinks it's some sort of weird timeslip, but maybe it wasn't.
So as you're tryingto figure these things out,
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he did not tell anybody publicly
per him anyway, until the mid sixtieswhen he wrote about it.
And that's what, 30 years laterthat he's finally talking about it.
So that's somethingto think about as well,
because memory changesand gets affected with time.
You're a new dad.
Memories probably going througha lot of weird things, right?
Absolutely.
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That definitely happen to me,
regardless of whether he kept quietor you believe this or not,
he starts to later in life believe thathe experienced some kind of time travel.
They didn't use the term time
slip at the time, but he sawhe may have traveled through time.
And the reason is, is that in 1939he noticed that the RAAF,
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they beganto paint their training planes yellow
and the mechanic's uniformsbecause World War Two is starting.
So there's a lot of change,a lot of ramp up.
And in all of this, the uniforms ofthe mechanics changed blue.
He also there was a new
training plane called the Magister,and that was a monoplane.
And he recognized thatas one of the planes.
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The monoplane he saw on the ground.
So he started to suspectthat he traveled through time
into 1939 and Dream Airfield as well
was being ramped upand used again for World War Two.
So that's why he started to makethat kind of connection.
And think about this.
And in 1975, he wrote
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a book called Flight into Reality,which talks about this story.
I'll provide links for that.
You can find hard copies that are used.
I don't think there's like a modern print,
but you can definitely find the bookout there in many places.
And as I mentioned earlier,he was a big writer,
so you can find a lot of other booksand stories by Sir Victor Goddard.
Yeah.
Do you have any initial thoughtsafter hearing the story?
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Is anything stand out to you?Do do you believe it?
Do you not? Do you think it's weirdwhat's going on in your head?
So the first thing that jumped inmy head is
I had that assumed he went back in timeand he goes there and then you're telling
like they didn't
have those color planes.
And the guys were in differentcolor jumpsuits.
And you said earlier he's been in the carworld like, Yeah, everybody, every
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mechanic wears a blue jumpsuit,but it makes sense
that they're in a different one. Yeah.
And just the whole, like,kind of go back and forth and your
describing he's describing the waywhen he comes out of the clouds
and it's like a different colorand you get like flashes
as was the movie Memphis Belle.
Oh yeah. Yeah.
When they're tryingto bring the bomber home
and like how everythingdiscarded, it's like, washed out.
Yeah, yeah.
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It's just all the sort of cinematic stuffgoing through my head, especially
because it's a wonderful writerthat, yes, it's describing it so.
And then also
Colorado live pretty well,not pretty close to like an hour
from the Air Force Academy
and thinking about all their trainingplans, they're all gliders.
And so they're completely silentand they sort of
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waft over the highwaywhen you're headed south past the springs.
And there's sort of this whole confluenceof different thoughts run into your head.
Yeah.
It's like, get me excited to see wherethis goes. Yeah.
And that's that'swhy I wanted to do this story,
because I try to find thingsfor a study of strange
that aren't the typical stories like thataren't the typical serial killer
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that I, you know, find this the storiesthat not everybody can find a million
documents, trees and everything onthis story is rather famous.
So this is this is this does not fit that.
But the reason I drifted towardsthat is because I want to learn
more about some of these strange storiesthat might deal with time travel.
And this was a good onebecause of that, because of the
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the descriptions of what he went throughand sort of the cinematic essence of it.
And also him as a person.
Like it's just a it's an interesting
story with a very interesting person.
Mm hmm.
And and I do love the idea of time slipsmore than, again,
like I said earlier, more than like,time travel stories.
You read about this idea of, like, a slip.
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Something is just off.
And our understanding of spaceand time is so it's so infantile, right?
Like we're learning
more about the quantum level all the timewhere
all these new theories are coming outall the time.
We're able
to take pictures of black holes nowand all these things relate together.
And I feel like our understanding of timeis just so, so basic
and probably not at all what it really is.
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So this idea that there could bejust be just a weird little
and also interdimensional,like the altered alternate realities,
this all goes into various theoriesthat people have about stories like this.
And so it's justI can't fully wrap my head around it.
So it's a nice
it's a nice little tiptoe in these kindof stories for me to learn more about it.
That being said, I am a natural skeptic,
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and one of the things that I tend tomy brain tends
to attach to when I hear stories like thisthat I think could just be made up,
is that that's obviouslya potential option in this, too,
is inconsistencies in stories.
And I have a fascinationwith how stories change over
time, like the game of telephonethat you said earlier.
And this one doesn't really do that.
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And there's a few reasons why.
One is he didn't start telling ituntil 30 years later.
But also it isthere's a lot of accounts for it.
There's a lot of quoteshe's written about it.
So you can't reallythe story doesn't change
until people like me, like a podcast.
We use our own words to tell the story,and that's where some people
might findlittle, little bits that change over time.
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But because you can go back to him
and it's still so recent, like 1975 isn'tthat long ago when you think about it,
there's not a ton of inconsistenciesexcept through podcast and TV shows.
It's like that.
We've really got to take their angleon the story.
Yes. Exactly.
And so there'sthere's few inconsistencies.
So that kind of makes me line upwith, okay, there's
there's something to this story.
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You've got to look at motivations.
Was he trying to make money?He was he's he's a writer.
He was selling books and stuff like that.
And also, as I get into in his biography,he was doing other things
in the paranormal and world and UFO world.
Like, he was very much into that.
So there could have been some motivationto sell copies of things.
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But he
is a very he's a very
intelligent guy and highly,
highly decorated military veteran
and highly respected.
So I don't think he's somebody thatjust wants to bullshit to sell a copy.
So there's there's
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those are all like the contradictorythings that bounce around in my head.
I live in the corporate world long enoughand you sort of just money
seems to be always the thing behind it.
But if he's like you said, he'sa knight, he's retired Air Force.
Like money probably isn't an issuefor this guy right now.
I don't think so.
Not that he was wealthy or anyby any means, but like, I don't think
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he was ever hard off or anything.
Yeah.
So let's get into his biography
a little bit just to understand hima little bit better.
So he was born in 1897.
He passed away in 87,so he lived to be 90 or thereabouts.
He started his career in the militaryduring the first World War.
I believe he started with the Navy,
but kind of quickly jumped over to the airservices and he was very active.
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He patrolled in for U-boats and dirigibles
and he apparently, at least
he says this came up with the term blimp
for certain types of airships.
And that's actually where Faustineis going to come in.
SCOTTSo we're going to do one scene today,
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and this is a
this is such a dorky scene.
I'm already slightly embarrassed and nowI have to do it because I called it out.
So this is a dramatizationof, of allegedly
how the term blimp startedto be used for airships.
And there is a differencebetween a blimp and a
is it just dirigible?
(25:08):
I'm going to sound like an idiot.What is the other two.
Dirigible airship Zeppelins?
Yeah, so there's.
There's the hardbody. And blimps are notthat.
Blimps are fully inflated.
I'll read the descriptionsand I'm going to read
Cunningham.
And you'll read Goddard.
You ready for it?You want to dive into it?
You ready? Go. It's trying to read aheada little bit.
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You going to trya terrible British accent or not?
Only if you want to.
You definitelydo not have to by any means.
Hey, if four or £5 for me,I can do it in Scottish.
I don't know if I can do English.
It is very early in the morning, soI don't know if you want a bunch of pints.
Yeah.
In RAAF Airfield during the day
in the 19 teens of some kind.
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I didn't write down exactly whatyou understand, Lieutenant Cunningham.
A very British gentleman,is at the airfield to examine airships.
He's walking around the ground in hangarsaccompanied by midshipmen at the time.
Victor Got it.
And this
here, sir, is a submarineScout Pleasure airship.
Oh, brilliant.
What's this bit here, then?
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That's called the Gasbag.
That was my nickname in school.
Get it, Gasbag?
Yes. Cunningham leans towards the gasbag
and flicks it with his thumband makes a strange noise that echoes.
Cunningham. Laughs
and flicks it again.
One blimp.
Cunningham looks to Goddard,
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expecting Goddard to be laughing,but he's just weirded out
interior of the mess hall.
Later on, Goddard is surroundedby his mates, eating dinner,
regaling them about his tourwith Cunningham.
And then he flicks the gas bag andit makes this blimp sound with his mouth.
The men laugh.
I love.
When does the scout fly next?
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Don't you meanwhen does the blimp fly next to her?
Haha,that's what we should call it from now on.
What's are.
Oh I just love doingvery pompous British laughs.
Yes, so that is the that is
the storyof how the term blimp came about.
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Victor Goddard regaled his his friendsand fellow officers in the mess hall.
Later, after this, Lieutenant Cunninghamflicked the gasbag of a of a blimp
and it made a blimp sound
and that is where we get the term again,allegedly allegedly get the term blimp.
That is not the only termthat Goddard came up with, allegedly.
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We'll get to to that a little later on.
Is this true?
It it may not be, but hey, there you go.
There's other peoplethat say or other things I've read.
I shouldn't say people I know.
People are behind the writing I read,but I don't know who they are.
But the there's some descriptionsthat say that there was a type of World
War one Britishairship called the Balloon Type B limp,
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and you combinetype B and limp and you make blimp.
But yeah,
there's just a lot ofno one actually knows for sure
if any listeners out thereknow the real story behind the term blimp.
Give me, give me a shout.
A study of strange at gmail.com.
I'd love to to hear somesome confirmation of those things.
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Now, after the First World War, Sir Victor
studied for a whileand then became an instructor.
He commanded a bomber squadronin Iraq in 1929,
and he was also involved in intelligencefor the air Ministry.
And according to his obituary,he was part of a counter espionage mission
mission in the 1930s where he he feddisinformation to the Germans.
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And it helped the UK get a leg upon their bomber designs for World War Two.
So this guy is doing a lot.
So this guy is a, again,
fascinating, amazingcareer and life that Victor Goddard had.
Now, most interesting to me is Goddardmay well have been the one to come up with
the idea that saved hundreds of thousandsof British soldiers at Dunkirk.
(29:08):
Yes, following the beginning of WorldWar Two.
So Dunkirk,I mean, there was a recent Christopher
Nolan movie, so that's whya lot of younger people may know about it.
But yeah, a lot of British soldiers arebasically trapped in the north of France,
in the Dunkirk area on the beach.
The British cannot send enough battleshipsto save them.
(29:30):
And the the
a lot of British citizensgot in their boats and.
Went across the channel, went across.
The channel and saved hundredsof thousands of British soldiers lives.
This is also where the famous Churchillspeech comes out of this experience.
Now. Goddard The story goes that he flewin a seat lists
plane at night from France into England.
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He had to make sure he wasn't shot downflying over England.
So he had to be very careful on landat the right time
and all that kind of stuff.
And he found his way to basically talkinghis way into a Joint Chiefs meeting.
And he told them that, hey, we've got toevacuate like 200 plus thousand soldiers.
Stat in the military were like,
we don't have enough destroyersto save them all.
(30:15):
Oh, dear.
And Goddard suggestedsending an armada of small boats
and then he was kicked out of the roombecause that's ridiculous.
And then they basically didand they did that.
Now, again, I can't
I don't know if that's true or not,but I do kind of believe it.
Like this is a well-respectedmilitary person.
There's other people there that are alivewhen he's telling people
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the story that he did this.
So I don'tI don't actually doubt that that's true.
I think he wasprobably had something to do
with figuring out a planto save these soldiers.
So it's it's really fascinating.
The whole episode'sfascinating, the whole Dunkirk story.
Yeah.
You'll hear stuff from the British,British sides, from the German side,
like if you ever interestedin a deep dive. That was.
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Yeah, it is.
It is worth it for peoplethat are sort of fans
of that type of historyand reading and stuff.
It is it's an amazing story and I definitely need to read more about it myself
and check out the Christopher Nolan movie.
I actually really enjoyed it, even thoughit wasn't everybody's favorite, right?
Yeah, I only made it throughabout the first 15 or 20 minutes.
(31:22):
I'm not going to lie. Yeah.
So anyway, around this time, VictorGoddard became friends with a philosopher
named E.W.
Fawcett, a British philosopherwhose theories I did.
I actually had trouble trying to readmore about him because I want to know
a little bit of a deep diveor trying to find more about E.W.
Fawcett.
And there's just a lot more readingI have to do to be able to explain him.
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But he he had these kind of far out ideasabout how the universe works
and in my own words,and I'm going to butcher his philosophy.
But essentially he he
he thought in
the sort of the imagination,the power of the mind was more important
or more believable than kind of normalscience, quote unquote.
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And there's probably philosophersor people that have read about Fossett
out there listening to this being like,what the hell are you talking about?
That's completely wrong.
But that's just kind of my interpretationfrom the little bit I've read.
And but he had a big influence on SirVictor Goddard's life.
And in my own opinion,I think he unintentionally
kind of pointed Goddard into a largerfascination with the unexplained
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or paranormal that I think Goddardprobably originally was was like.
So I think that relationship
between the two of them is an importantone in Goddard's life.
It a real opening for third eyekind of. Thing, I think.
So I think I really thinkthat he was influenced by them.
Goddard loved the paranormal.
He loved the unexplored,and he loved stories like this.
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Sam Yeah, yeah.
I mean, me too.Anything I'd explained of there.
And he loved writing and things
like theorizing about the worldin these strange things. And
yes, he also became a spiritualistafter Fossett died.
Fossett died,I think, in 1960, right around there.
I did write down the exact year,but after he died,
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Goddard wanted to be ableto communicate with him.
And they had apparently talked about thisbefore Fossett died.
So Goddard became a spiritualist,which the definition of
that is someone that believesthat they can communicate with the dead.
Yeah. Yeah. So.
So Goddard's really getting into the worldlike that.
And so this later era of Goddard's life,because he retired
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from the military in the fifties,I believe, 51.
So it kind of like the second half,the second phase of Goddard's life.
He was very military focused at firstand now he's getting into this.
Drifts into the spiritual holistic mind,a holistic like spiritual world.
This idea, the spiritual worldis a good way to say it.
One of the tales of paranormal
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that comes from Goddard that I thinkI probably this is how I knew his name
before the Time Slip story isthere is a famous photograph
that Goddardtook of his air squadron in 1991,
and it allegedly shows the ghost of a manthat had just died that day,
standing right behind a guy in the backrow of the photo
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and the ghost's name was Freddy Jackson,and that is Victor Gut.
So if you've ever watched a TV showabout ghost photos or a YouTube video
or gone on a website that listlike famous Ghost photos, this is
one of one of the most famous ones,and that is a photo that Goddard took.
So he'sinstantly asleep, not instantaneously.
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But at this moment in his life,he ties himself
to the world of the paranormalwith that photo.
There's also a famous story
where which is a more famous
kind of strange story of Goddardthan even the time slip
one where in 1946 he was in Shanghai.
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He was at a partyand a fellow officer mentioned
that he had a dreamthat Goddard died in a plane crash,
basically crashing into like a rocky cliffor beach or something like that.
And Goddard was supposed to fly to,I think, Japan that night,
and he ended up getting into a big crashthat was very similar to this dream.
(35:22):
But he survived.
This is the key difference in the dream.
He died in real life. He survived.
And now a movie based onthis experience was made in 1955.
It also inspired a Twilight Zone episode.
So that is what Goddard kind
of became very famousfor in the mid-century, is that story of.
The he's out therehe's yeah, in the community of.
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Yes. Paranormal and he looks.
Indeed and there's even another storyI didn't write this one down
but he he had another experienceI think earlier in his life where he had
a dream and sort of like foresawI think World War One is what it was.
He like saw a cloud that lookedlike Europe and it was being taken over.
And so he first saw this major world warand thinks
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that he was seeing into the futuregetting a sign of what is to become.
So, yes, he is very much in that world.
He also believed in UFOs and he would goto meetings and conferences later in life.
He would give talks about UFOs.
And I wrote down a quote,This is one of his most famous quotes.
You see it ina lot of different articles written about
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where he gave a speech about UFOs.
And I found this speech fascinating
because I'm not smart enoughto understand it.
Do you want to read it? Actuallymight be fun for you to read it.
You want to give it a go? Sure.
So it's the highlighted green thing there.
All right.
So what?
All right.
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Given that really UFOs are pure, physical,capable of reflecting light like ghosts,
and given also that they remain visibleas they change position
at ultrahighspeeds from one point to another,
it follows that those that remain visiblein transition do not do materialize
for that swift transition,and therefore their mass must be made of a
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I got nothing.
Dan, if you could skip Dan first nature
the observable
the the observed validity of this supportsthe power of physical rotation
and makes the likelihood of UFObeing earth created greater
than the likelihood of their creationon another planet.
The astral world of illusion, which onphysical evidence is greatly inhabited.
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Jeez, that's not a Yeah.
There's a reason why I have you read.
This is greatly inhabited by illusionprone spirits is well-known
for its multifarious,imaginative activities.
The man knew how to use a thesaurus.
Yes, he did.
He, like I said,very good talker, very good writer.
But again, I say, trying to.
(37:53):
Explain like just the fact that UFOscan go from in the air to the water.
And I think so.
And also it also couldpotentially be sort of earth created.
Yeah, because there's theory out thereabout UFOs that can move between water
and through Earth and through the air,
and they never slow downor lose momentum or anything.
And that has to prove that they weremade here because we wouldn't have this
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wherever planet they're from,wouldn't have the same viscosity or
accelerationdue to gravity or anything like that.
And then the physics.
But if he said early onthat was at the forties, thirties.
This is I think he said thisin the seventies, okay.
At one of the talks he was atand I apologize, I should have actually
written that down.
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The way I take notesis I'm like I'll remember
that was in 1975 and then I totally don't.
But I believe this is in the seventieslater on when he was kind
of more involved with that world.
But no, he had a lot ofhe had a lot of theories.
And I'm surethey changed throughout his life
like they do for all of us,about all things
paranormal and unexplained,including UFOs and time travel.
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And obviously his experiencesand his life affected his beliefs.
And these things.
But in my point with that is that hehe is thinking about this stuff,
I think, a little ahead of his time,especially when you specifically
if we focus in on the time slip storywhere he's talking about things in a way
that wasn't just like a it's an alien,which most people were in the 1970s
(39:22):
and with the time slip thing,if people talk about time travel back
then it wasn't as sort of popularizedas it is now,
but they would have been more like H.G.
Wells. It would have beena little more old school.
But this like slip in timeis kind of ahead of its time
when you think about the way that we thinkabout space and time nowadays.
When was Crichton writing about that?
Because he did a book.
(39:44):
I think in that he did in the.
Seventies or eighties, he was.
Doing I think it was the eighties timewhen they go back in time to the medieval.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which made a really terrible movie.
It's great book though.
Yeah.
No, I'm forgetting the name of it,but it's good.
Yeah, it is good.
And in the Garwin was is a timeline.
That's what it's called timeline.
There we go.
You know
so it would have beenkind of more old school
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but he's he's a bit ahead of his time
with the way that he'snot only experiencing things
but the way he's trying to understandthem.
And that, yeah, that just makesme like this guy even more.
So. My
question just to pose to myselfand to the world and to you
is you have this decorated veteran.
(40:27):
You have this highly intelligentindividual that's thinking about things
in kind of new ways is howwhat do we believe,
I guess with his experience with this time
slip in 1934,
do you have any any new thoughts,especially after learning more about it?
Well, yeah.
(40:47):
The whole like, what do we believe,especially nowadays with
all the different argumentsof science versus what you believe
and opens a whole other can of worms, I'm
more inclined to believe the guythat is it.
Having to read what?
He spoke out loud.
He seems like a very smart, smart guy.
(41:08):
Yeah, but at the same time, like,you just throw enough big words together.
You can make everybody seemlike anybody, seem like they're smart.
And I don'tknow if smart is what you're looking for
when you're like,I'd rather somebody believable than smart.
Yeah. Yeah.
And the way he describescoming through day,
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bursting through the clouds,you know, like I said, like sepia toned.
Yeah.
Beautiful, like idyllic landing stripand all that sort of stuff. It.
I don't know.
It seems like it could be somethingthat he's misremembering, but also
like, if that matches in the Yeah.
The model of plane matchesand then Yeah it absolutely could be true.
(41:51):
Yeah. And none of this
when you're trying to figure outif these things are real or not.
I believe he believed it.
And and that's a big difference
with someone who you're like knowjust making that up to make it up.
Yeah.
Like,I really do believe that he believes this.
And you do have to take into account
sort of that confirmation biasthat we can all have with our beliefs
(42:14):
where he could have experienced something
that has a, a definitiveearthly explanation.
But because of his confirmationbias, he's creating something out of it.
And in terms of that, I actually do wantto share a few thoughts about
real world, real
potential explanationsfor what he did dream he did.
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You describe when he flew over itas being this completely like farm,
like land, and wasn't in usewhere you can actually look up the history
of an airfield onlineand you can find out that in 1933
they began to use it again, not the RAAF,but it was used for civil planes.
And civil planes
aren't going to necessarily be paintedthe same color as Royal Air Force.
(42:58):
They're they could be brightcolored. Yeah.
Go to any airport. Absolutely.
So Dream was in use.
It was not completely vacated.
And so this would have been a yearafter they started using DRAM again.
And he also could have been lost.
He just was in this major storm.
If that's real, he could have popped outsomewhere that he didn't think something.
(43:20):
I read this articleI read online, someone theorize
that it could have been the RinHugh Airdrome, which is was the home
for the Scottish Flying Club in 1934,which would have again had brightly
painted planesabout biplanes and monovalent planes.
So that could have beenwhy he was seeing this kind of things
and also the wrong color mechanic outfits,because if it's not the Royal
(43:44):
Air Force, people can wear whatever wantmight have seen to be on blue.
If you're out on an airfield,
a lot of timesthe color you're wearing is your job.
And maybe they weren't mechanics,maybe they were like landing strip
guys or something. Absolutely.
And he also thought he saw MilesMagister Monoplane, which he said
later on in life when he started tellingthe story, didn't come out until 1939.
(44:07):
That's actually not true.
It had been aroundsince 33, the year before.
And there were also othermono planes that he could have mistaken it
for at the time.
And if it wasn't military,it might have been painted yellow.
Yeah.
So the I'm not saying these are in factwhat happened.
I'm just saying these could bethe explanation for what's going on
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and also timehe's not really sharing the story
for 30 years time changes your memory.
It happens to all of usno matter what we say.
So he could be literally justmisremembering something he saw.
And yeah, the Dead Reckoning navigationthing is what's getting to me the most.
Yeah. Yeah.
That product of the American public schoolsystem and teach me how credit works.
(44:51):
But I took an aviationclass in high school and
run through how to, how to
put out a flight path and how to chart itand all the navigation tools.
And yeah, this is in the nineties.
So there's, it's even in the ninetiesit's almost all done by computer but
they teach us on stuff from the seventiesand eighties and that's Yeah that's Yeah.
(45:11):
Well it's important to knowthat I would assume all pilots
have to learn that learnhow to navigate with dead reckoning
and with basically every typeof potential option of navigation.
Because what if something fails?
Like I would imagine that they do traineverybody in those kind of things.
Now, today
and also I have an accountfor the ghost story just because I love
I love stuff like this where you find likethis is the story that everybody knows
(45:35):
and they find somethingactually different.
So I wanted to share this,even though it doesn't
have to do with the time flip story.
So the famous ghost pitcherthat he has that you see on every ghost
documentary show, because I watch those,I see it all the time.
I've been seeing it for years.
The story of a dead soldier that diedthat very day that is in the picture.
It turns out he didn't die that day.
(45:56):
He was in a crash at that airfield,but he was whisked away to a hospital,
died later.
Many, many, many, many, many miles away.
Not rightthere did not die right at that time.
And so that
just does that does show how our beliefsand that confirmation
bias because he remembers Goddardwould have remembered that guy crashing.
Hey, remember, he died.
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He didn't know when he died.He died right there.
So we showed up in the picture that dayand it's like, no, he he actually didn't.
We can't imagine the definitionon the photograph was great.
And yeah. Well, that's the.
Thing to find a bunch of white guysin the forties on an airfield.
White guys, forties and airfieldhe is what's interesting about it
that does make you kind of go likeooh that is spooky is the person is not
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wearing a hat where everybody else is inthe picture is wearing a hat
because it's likelythis is just double exposure.
Okay, Think about filmthe way cameras work.
It's not like today
you got to have time for the lightto effect the chemicals on the film.
I took that class in high school, too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And nothing on creditor finance or anything.
No, no, no. Again, you got to get.
That's not photography.Yeah, don't, don't worry about that stuff.
(47:01):
But yeah.
So it's likely it's double exposure.
And one of the theoriesthat I've read about this photo
is that it could have been
literally the gentleman in the back rowright in front of the quote unquote ghost.
And he could have been taking off his hator Oh my God, I got to put my hat on,
like as they're taking the photo.
So that little movementcreated the ghostly image.
And that's why all old photographs shoot.
(47:23):
When it comes to Ghost,it's like they just
90% of the timeit's just double exposure or something.
You got to do it right.
And I believe thatwith that picture as well.
So again, I don't thinkGoddard lied about his time slip.
I do think we have to questionwhether he really experienced it.
That's my skeptical brain.
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My theory is he saw somethingand he's misremembering
or he saw a different airfieldor there were people using the airfield
and it wasn't quite as in shamblesas the day before when he says and.
I think he's flown through two World War,so he's probably seen
quite a bit of actionand some awful stuff concussed in the air.
And he sort of had anti-aircraftfire coming at him.
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Yeah,he absolutely could misremember stuff.
I think he's misremembering stuffthat that's just me.
But I do believe he believed it.
And I do think there is something forsomebody that doesn't believe in hooey.
Bluey Whatever stuff that just lovesstories of them.
I actually do think TimesSlip is an interesting
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it is an interesting anomaly.
There are other stories.
Again, this is just this episode,ladies and gentlemen.
It's kind of just for me to dipmy toes into this.
This is totally a personal episode.
It's like,I just want to learn more about this.
And this is a wayfor me to start to do it,
because there are many other
times with storiesand they're all absolutely fascinating
(48:47):
and in a weird way, more believablethan so many other strange stories.
So I want to learn more about it.
If anybody out there has stories of timeslips that they think I should look at,
look into whether it be for the showor just for my own education.
Email me a study of Stranger at gmail.com.
Let me know.
I've read a few alreadyabout people in Liverpool like seeing a,
(49:11):
you know, a shopping truckthat's from a different time and
there was someone in front of themthat was also from the modern age
and they both experienced itat the same time.
I've heard stories of people in Englanddriving down the highway
and suddenly there's like 1940smilitary aircraft flying overhead
and then the military aircraftjust disappear and there's
actually a number of old militarylike aircraft.
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And that's one of the fascinating thingsabout this time
flip story, too,because it's one of the first ones.
But people in the seventies and eightiesand nineties have these experiences
with like World War Two airplanes.
That are flying overhead.
So that, yeah, there's somethinginteresting about time slips and old
airplanes.
Maybe that's just peopleseeing an old aircraft like.
Collector airplanes out there.
Yeah, Living in L.A.,I actually see old aircraft all the time
(49:56):
flying overhead because there's variousbases and airports around.
But there's also plenty of other storiesthat are all very odd.
And what I like about themis they're quick
and that makes them to me a little bitmore believable because it's not like
I lived in 1972 for five months,but it was actually 12 and 15.
Is not a lot of time to make stuffup. Yeah, exactly.
It's like,no, it's it's a brief glance through time
(50:19):
and space and it's
yeah, I'm just thoroughly intrigued,even though I do not understand it yet.
So hopefully I will have follow upepisodes again, email me ideas, things
I should look into for thisand I will definitely check it out.
Let me know your thoughts on SirVictor Goddard's story as well.
And yeah, any, any final thoughts on this?
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Scott No, I ran through the gamut today
on this guy's sideand then I'm thinking about this and,
well, yeah, is it a time slipor like a memory slip at this point?
And so, yeah, I will be going and doinga little bit more homework myself.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think everybody should read it'sa, it's a really cool story.
And check out Victor's book as well.
Again, I'll put linksto find old copies of it in my show notes.
(51:05):
So check that out.
So do you want people to find youor you on the social media?
Do you want to doany of that kind of stuff?
I am. I'm not terribly interesting.
I mostly take pictures of my kidand nature does live in Colorado.
It's absolutely. Gorgeous. Yeah,yeah. Yeah.
I don't Instagram at rugger.
Gordo said. Rugby. X rugby player.
(51:28):
Yeah.
If anything, go visit DenverWater Dogs Rugby dot com.
There you go. Click around on there.
Help us get some numbers.
Yeah. Rugby ladies, Jim and rugby.
Check it out.
I'm definitely physically perfectfor rugby
and my, my small non muscular build.
I think I would do very well.
I'd get hit,very hit over it very, very easily.
(51:51):
Well thank youScott, for doing this. My pleasure.
And hopefully I've left youthinking about time
and time travel in some fashion.
That'll do it for the show.
Thank you so much for listening.
Thank you to Scott Smith for joining me.
If you want to know more about Sir VictorGoddard's experiences with the paranormal
or Time slip story,there are great resources on this topic.
(52:17):
And just for time sake,we really couldn't go into all of it,
which is always disappointing.
But that's the nature of the beast.
So I will providelinks to all the good ones I can think of.
I'm sure there's more out thereand I'm very sincere.
Like I said in the show,if you know of a good time slip story
that I should check out
either for the show or just for myselffor managing my own education,
(52:38):
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(52:59):
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So check that out. Very excited about it.
I think that does it.
Thank you all again and goodnight.
A handful of years before WorldWar Two, Royal Air Force officer Sir
Victor Goddard was flying a biplanefrom Scotland back to his base in England.
What happenednext may be the most famous story of
what is nowcalled a time slip, a momentary experience
or anomaly where someone visitsor sees into a different time.
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See? Victor Goddardthought he saw into the future.
Four or five years for a brief moment
while flying over the DreamAirfield in Scotland.
What he saw, he thinks,can only be explained by time travel.
What's intriguing about this phenomenonis that the more we learn about
the universe, the more some of the craziertheories about time, time
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travel, alternate dimensions,alternate realities, etc., etc.
all seem to be more validthan they used to.
Goddard's time slipand the plethora of other stories
from others that have experienceslike it may be proof
that our understanding of timeis just getting started.
And Victor Goddardhad other paranormal experiences as well.
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This is a study of
strange.
(01:32):
Welcome to the show.
I'm Michael May.
And today I'm joined by ScottSmith, who's in actually in the studio.
I haven't had someone in the studioin a long time.
It's very nice.
Was the secretaryvery nice to you when you came in?
Where like where you taking care of?You got water and. Oh, yeah.
The front office people were great.
It was nice. It's good. I'm very glad.
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So you live in Colorado, and I.
I've been preparing this episode.
Not specifically for you,but you did mention to me
that you've heard a little bit about thiskind of idea of a time slip before,
so that might be interesting toto have this story told to you today.
Wonderful. Yeah. Yeah.
What do you know about time slips?
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Not a ton.
I know.
Being in Colorado,you get all the especially get the Utah
stories coming across Skinwalkerand you get a bunch of
time slip stuff there.
And it depends.
Certain guys, it looks like
they just look into the distanceand they say they can see the future.
Some guys have saidthey'd like walk through a portal
and they're in the future. Kind of.Yeah, yeah.
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Now it'sthis topic really fascinates me and,
and it's one that I'm using hereat the start of the year on the show.
I'm kind of finding some episodes toexplore topics that I don't know as well.
Like, I tend to know
more of like the true crime type of stuffthat's more in my, my wheelhouse.
But I do have a fascinationwith time slips,
most like the famous timetravel stories out there.
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Like there's John Teeter.I think it's his name.
It's like a guy online.
It's like, I'm from the future and
there's like these interesting stories,but I'm always like, no bullshit.
Whereas like the time slip stories,part of me is like, you know,
there's a lot of stuffwe don't understand out there.
And either the actual physics of itis very interesting.
And there's always the, what we call it,Photoshopped pictures of the, you.
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Know, the.
Future guy with a wristwatchfrom The Goonies or something.
And most of thoseI don't believe there's a famous one
where I'm totally going on a tangent here,but this is fun stuff.
But there's this famous videothat popped up on YouTube back
when, like YouTubestarted of a Charlie Chaplin movie
and a woman walking bywith what they say is an iPhone.
And I am a Charlie Chaplin fan.
You may not have noticed in my house,
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but I have a box of CharlieChaplin movies and.
Multiple Boxsets. Yes,I have seen that movie.
I own that movie.
It is a hearing aid device.
It's basically a coneyou put up to your ear to hear.
And you see herjust scenes later in that movie using it.
But people see that one clip on YouTube.
It's like iPhone time travelerand it's like to what end what
and why she who she call it. Yeah, right.
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Who are you.
Calling it, like 1918 or whatever.
Advanced enough to travel through time.
I feel like you're going to remember
to put away your iPhoneif you're going to be on camera. Exactly.
But yeah, she's still dressed in time.
Appropriate,but carrying an iPhone anyway.
That's not really the point of thisepisode today.
Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to talkabout a famous time slip story.
And this is the first oneI think I ever heard,
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and that's why I wanted to explore ita little bit more.
It is very famous, but it is interestingto think about who experienced it.
There is a biography behind Sir VictorGoddard, who experienced this famous time.
So that story.
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And Scott,like I said, you're from Colorado.
You worked in the rental car businessfor a long time. Yes.
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This is not appropriatefor the episode either.
But do you have any crazy storiesof like people leaving weird stuff.
In their cars constantly?
I worked in the back end,
so on the repair side of it,so I would get the cars either
after they had returned from the rentaland somebody hit something or the
record card ends up at the body shop.
I usually got to see all the stuff, likewhen somebody you pulled out of your car
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short notice. So yeah, yeah, yeah.
It runs the gamut of like,Oh, this kid's going to be heartbroken.
He lost his his blankie.
You can tellit's still in the backseat of the car
till, like,what was this guy doing like this?
This collection of paraphernaliathey don't really match.
Yeah, it's.
And then you get the, the the gruesomestuff sometimes like a bad accident.
(05:53):
So it's it's it runs the gamut. Yeah.
Are you allowed to share a story.
Maybe when we're done with this episodefor, for like a quick patron drop,
like some sort of crazy car story.Are you like?
Absolutely. Oh, nice, Nice.
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That's really exciting. Thank you.
Okay, so time slips.
We'vetalked a little bit about it already.
Just for those that don't know,it is a it's essentially like a paranormal
experience that some people claimto have happened to them
or seen or heard or believewhere you literally like the names.
And as time slip, you kind of slipthrough time for a brief, brief moment
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where there's famous
stories of people walking down the streetand suddenly they're in the 1950s
and they walk into a shopand then it switches back.
Or that the story today is a gentleman
in a plane who looks downand sees into a different time.
So he he believes
and there are so many of these storieslike more than I ever realized,
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most of them are in England,which is interesting.
And a lot of them are in Liverpool,which I find really fascinating.
Liverpoolhas like a long history of time slips
and the people that that are staunchbelievers in time slippage
say that it typically happensin like ancient areas
where there's been likea lot of a lot of stuff that's happened,
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there's a lot of energyand things like that.
It's a special energy getting refractedoff of Stonehenge and shooting around.
Yeah, even that's in the same area.I don't know.
I've only ever been to the UKto play rugby and it's in and out.
Yeah.
No, I don't think that's near Liverpool.
But I could be wrong.
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I could be wrong about that.
So the the manwe're going to talk about today,
his name is Victor Godard or
Sir Victor Godardand he's from the UK, from England
and he was a right high rankingofficer in the Royal Air Force.
He was a veteran of both World wars.
He was obviously knightedbecause I said, Sir,
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and I'll get into his biographyafter I tell tell
the tale of the time slip,
because who he isis actually a really interesting
it's just interesting to considerthat he's the one who experienced this
for a variety of reasons,not just because he is a trustworthy
veteran and high ranking individual,
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but also because he has very strongbeliefs in the paranormal.
So you have to take that into account
when you're trying to deduceif this is a real thing or not.
And so we're going to dig into hima little bit.
So the Times slip story,it takes place in 1934.
A lot of what I read online is in 1935,but in Goddard's
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own words, it is it takes place in 1934.
He was a wing commanderat the time in the Royal Air Force,
and he was flying up to Edinburgh,Scotland from a base in and over England.
And he was only going to be in Scotland
just a few days to do a littlehop, do some work, go back.
Now, while he was
in the area, he flew over the DreamAirfield, which had been built
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for use in World War One,and I think it was built in 1916.
It stopped being used as an airbaseafter World War One in 1919.
And the common taleis that Goddard wanted to check it out
because he had spent time there whenhe was in the Army during World War One.
And he noticed as he went therethat the airfield was no longer in use.
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The hangars were falling apart,
the landing strip was crackedand grass is growing out of it
and the whole areahad been turned into a farm.
So there are cattle grazingon different sections of the old airbase.
And idyllic English countryside.Oh, that's. Right.
But it's beautiful, actually.
And then he he sort of saw this,he continued on to his base
and he was flying a Hawker Hart biplane.
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So a biplane,you know, the double wing thing.
But it's also it's an open cockpit plane.
Those are fun.I got to find one when I was little.
Seriously?
Yeah, I've always I hate flying,but I've always wanted to fly
in one of the Petrified.
I was little.It was a Boy Scouts thing. Oh, that's.
Didn't get I would never have done that.
Didn't want to go.
But my, my dad was like, yeah, you'renever going to get this chance again.
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You're going, Yeah. Yeah.
It was fantastic.
Do you remember how old you were?
I only ever remember agesby what grade? I think I was in
third or fourth grade.
I was maybe eight, nine,something like that.
Yeah, very cool.
Yeah. So Goddard, he.
He flies on to the base in Scotlandhe's going to stay at.
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And the very next day he's flying
back to England and he encounters a storm,a really bad storm.
And part of why I mentioned
that this is a hawker heartwhich, which is the open cockpit thing
is there's no modern navigation,there's no modern amenities.
He's in the open.
So when it's raining, he's getting rainedon, which is not fun.
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Driving through rain at speed,which I've done in cars before
and it gets really treacherous.
And he tries to climbto get kind of over the clouds
and he ends up basically spinning out ofcontrol as he does that. And
now the main
point, too, about no modern navigationis he uses dead reckoning to navigate,
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which is basically,you see something in the distance,
you know,which kind of direction you're flying,
and that's how you navigate sovery old school way of going about things.
Yeah, when you're in one of those, it'sjust you're sitting in a tin tub
and there's a control stick and 40and that's about it.
That's it, that's all you have.
So I'm going to read a quote herefrom Goddard of what happened
when he encountered this stormand what happened next.
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In the winter of 1934,I was flying an airplane.
It was a Hawker Hart,a mighty fast plane for those days.
In fact, it was in a plane of that type.
In the following year,I held the Edinburgh to
London speed record in the cloud and fogand heavy rain.
I had come spiraling down8000 feet out of control all the way,
so I was wondering whether I should plunge
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into the mountains of Scotlandor into the Firth of Forth before
I got my heart under control again,my hawker heart was at last under control.
My personal heart was not.
It was in my throat.
I flew straight on, climbing slightlyto clear the foreshore.
I said to myself, If I go straighton, I'll head off Dream Airfield.
So yeah, he spun out of controlthrough this storm, kind himself,
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and as he got to like almost nearthe ground in some accounts
he's just like ten feet off the groundwhen he gets his control of the plane.
And the Firth of Forth is actually it'san estuary, so it's water.
It's, you know, the end of where riversand stuff are meeting the sea in Scotland.
And he recognizes that.
And he wants to head to dream airfields.
In some accounts,
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I read he's doing this on purposebecause because it's dead reckoning,
they'll know where he isand where he needs to turn, where to go.
And so that was a direct quote.
Yes, that was a direct quote from him.
At some point.
So poetic.
Oh, he's English knows how to do is a yes.
And specifically, sir, Sir Goddard,he is a great, great talker.
He wrote a lot.
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He wrote a lot about military this storyhe did not account for publicly
until the mid sixtieswhen he read an article about it
in that it includes it in his bookin the mid seventies.
But he's a big, big writer, big talker,master of language, and also very funny.
So just like that,
that very wonderful Englishwit is like full in this guy.
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I love him.
Now as he's headed offover there to the Dream Airfield, suddenly
oftentimes you'll read this is likethe sky turns yellowish brown.
So there's this weird color in the airas he's flying and it's still raining,
but it kind of breaks through and becomesvery clear suddenly.
And this is when Goddard noticedthat the Dream Airfield was somehow now
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in perfect condition,
whereas the day before it was all torn upand it was farmland.
And here I'm going to continue the quotefrom him
in his own words.
The hangars were darkly looming towardsme, only a quarter of a mile away.
Then suddenlythe area was bathed in an ether, a light
as though the sun was shiningon a midsummer day.
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As I raced over the airfield,I saw some surprising things.
Evidently, as I saw it, the rain hadrecently stopped the airfield.
All unfenced was evenly mown.
No cattle or sheepwere grazing the tarmac around.
The hangars was wide and new.
The hangars all had sound roofs.
The doors of the first hangar were open
and five aircraftall bright yellow, four of them biplanes.
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One monoplane were lined up on the tarmac.
Mechanicsin blue overalls were pushing out.
Another monoplane.
The men below were not interested in meas I sped over them, not more than 50 feet
above the hangars,and I flew out of the sunshine
into the dark rain and mist again.
So to kind of reiterate, sky opens up.
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It's beautiful,it's sunny, it's wonderful.
And the hangars are rebuilt, the runwaysrebuilt all from the day before.
There's
this is where you do find differencesand his own words
and what you always read about the casenormally you read he saw four planes.
He's saying he saw five, maybe six.
So he saw five planes.
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Four are by planes. One is monoplane.
And there may have been a second monoplanein the hangar as well.
And all the mechanics are wearingblue overalls and.
Yes, sir.Are you going to say something? No.
It sounds on brand for
the mechanics out in the field.Absolutely.
So what's interesting about that, though,is that a first of all,
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the storm has suddenly gonebe everything's rebuilt.
The RAAF in 1934 did not have any planespainted yellow,
so that was an unco airman,to say the least.
That's probably an awful colorfor like hiding in the gray skies.
Well, what they do.
What they do nowand they started to do in the story
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you'll hear about is it's training planesthat get painted yellow now
and the mechanics in 1934for the RAAF wore
brown jumpsuits not blue.
So there's some weird also mono planes.
There apparently were no mono planesin the RAAF at the time.
So this is all very interestingand very strange. And
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and then the storm comes back.
He sort of passes over the airfield.
He sees all this and then suddenlyback into the storm, he's able to actually
climb back to a certain good altitudeto kind of keep himself relatively safe.
I guess safe may not be the right word,but he's able to fly
and he continues on backto and over into England.
And that's kind of the end of the storyfor a while.
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He does mention
that he tried to tell people on the groundabout this like at some other officers,
and they thought he was justkooky and weird and maybe drunk or crazy.
So he just in his words,he just stopped telling people about it.
Yeah.
Is that were the changes in the storycome along or it's
sort of the game of telephonethat works its way down.
Like you heard this crazy pilot saying.
I don't think that's when it does.
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I and this is something to consider aswell if you
if you try to deduce or investigator,
you're trying to figure outif this really happened, either
did he make it upor did he experience something
and he thinks it's some sort of weird timeslip, but maybe it wasn't.
So as you're tryingto figure these things out,
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he did not tell anybody publicly
per him anyway, until the mid sixtieswhen he wrote about it.
And that's what, 30 years laterthat he's finally talking about it.
So that's somethingto think about as well,
because memory changesand gets affected with time.
You're a new dad.
Memories probably going througha lot of weird things, right?
Absolutely.
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That definitely happen to me,
regardless of whether he kept quietor you believe this or not,
he starts to later in life believe thathe experienced some kind of time travel.
They didn't use the term time
slip at the time, but he sawhe may have traveled through time.
And the reason is, is that in 1939he noticed that the RAAF,
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they beganto paint their training planes yellow
and the mechanic's uniformsbecause World War Two is starting.
So there's a lot of change,a lot of ramp up.
And in all of this, the uniforms ofthe mechanics changed blue.
He also there was a new
training plane called the Magister,and that was a monoplane.
And he recognized thatas one of the planes.
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The monoplane he saw on the ground.
So he started to suspectthat he traveled through time
into 1939 and Dream Airfield as well
was being ramped upand used again for World War Two.
So that's why he started to makethat kind of connection.
And think about this.
And in 1975, he wrote
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a book called Flight into Reality,which talks about this story.
I'll provide links for that.
You can find hard copies that are used.
I don't think there's like a modern print,
but you can definitely find the bookout there in many places.
And as I mentioned earlier,he was a big writer,
so you can find a lot of other booksand stories by Sir Victor Goddard.
Yeah.
Do you have any initial thoughtsafter hearing the story?
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Is anything stand out to you?Do do you believe it?
Do you not? Do you think it's weirdwhat's going on in your head?
So the first thing that jumped inmy head is
I had that assumed he went back in timeand he goes there and then you're telling
like they didn't
have those color planes.
And the guys were in differentcolor jumpsuits.
And you said earlier he's been in the carworld like, Yeah, everybody, every
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mechanic wears a blue jumpsuit,but it makes sense
that they're in a different one. Yeah.
And just the whole, like,kind of go back and forth and your
describing he's describing the waywhen he comes out of the clouds
and it's like a different colorand you get like flashes
as was the movie Memphis Belle.
Oh yeah. Yeah.
When they're tryingto bring the bomber home
and like how everythingdiscarded, it's like, washed out.
Yeah, yeah.
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It's just all the sort of cinematic stuffgoing through my head, especially
because it's a wonderful writerthat, yes, it's describing it so.
And then also
Colorado live pretty well,not pretty close to like an hour
from the Air Force Academy
and thinking about all their trainingplans, they're all gliders.
And so they're completely silentand they sort of
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waft over the highwaywhen you're headed south past the springs.
And there's sort of this whole confluenceof different thoughts run into your head.
Yeah.
It's like, get me excited to see wherethis goes. Yeah.
And that's that'swhy I wanted to do this story,
because I try to find thingsfor a study of strange
that aren't the typical stories like thataren't the typical serial killer
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that I, you know, find this the storiesthat not everybody can find a million
documents, trees and everything onthis story is rather famous.
So this is this is this does not fit that.
But the reason I drifted towardsthat is because I want to learn
more about some of these strange storiesthat might deal with time travel.
And this was a good onebecause of that, because of the
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the descriptions of what he went throughand sort of the cinematic essence of it.
And also him as a person.
Like it's just a it's an interesting
story with a very interesting person.
Mm hmm.
And and I do love the idea of time slipsmore than, again,
like I said earlier, more than like,time travel stories.
You read about this idea of, like, a slip.
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Something is just off.
And our understanding of spaceand time is so it's so infantile, right?
Like we're learning
more about the quantum level all the timewhere
all these new theories are coming outall the time.
We're able
to take pictures of black holes nowand all these things relate together.
And I feel like our understanding of timeis just so, so basic
and probably not at all what it really is.
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So this idea that there could bejust be just a weird little
and also interdimensional,like the altered alternate realities,
this all goes into various theoriesthat people have about stories like this.
And so it's justI can't fully wrap my head around it.
So it's a nice
it's a nice little tiptoe in these kindof stories for me to learn more about it.
That being said, I am a natural skeptic,
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and one of the things that I tend tomy brain tends
to attach to when I hear stories like thisthat I think could just be made up,
is that that's obviouslya potential option in this, too,
is inconsistencies in stories.
And I have a fascinationwith how stories change over
time, like the game of telephonethat you said earlier.
And this one doesn't really do that.
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And there's a few reasons why.
One is he didn't start telling ituntil 30 years later.
But also it isthere's a lot of accounts for it.
There's a lot of quoteshe's written about it.
So you can't reallythe story doesn't change
until people like me, like a podcast.
We use our own words to tell the story,and that's where some people
might findlittle, little bits that change over time.
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But because you can go back to him
and it's still so recent, like 1975 isn'tthat long ago when you think about it,
there's not a ton of inconsistenciesexcept through podcast and TV shows.
It's like that.
We've really got to take their angleon the story.
Yes. Exactly.
And so there'sthere's few inconsistencies.
So that kind of makes me line upwith, okay, there's
there's something to this story.
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You've got to look at motivations.
Was he trying to make money?He was he's he's a writer.
He was selling books and stuff like that.
And also, as I get into in his biography,he was doing other things
in the paranormal and world and UFO world.
Like, he was very much into that.
So there could have been some motivationto sell copies of things.
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But he
is a very he's a very
intelligent guy and highly,
highly decorated military veteran
and highly respected.
So I don't think he's somebody thatjust wants to bullshit to sell a copy.
So there's there's
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those are all like the contradictorythings that bounce around in my head.
I live in the corporate world long enoughand you sort of just money
seems to be always the thing behind it.
But if he's like you said, he'sa knight, he's retired Air Force.
Like money probably isn't an issuefor this guy right now.
I don't think so.
Not that he was wealthy or anyby any means, but like, I don't think
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he was ever hard off or anything.
Yeah.
So let's get into his biography
a little bit just to understand hima little bit better.
So he was born in 1897.
He passed away in 87,so he lived to be 90 or thereabouts.
He started his career in the militaryduring the first World War.
I believe he started with the Navy,
but kind of quickly jumped over to the airservices and he was very active.
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He patrolled in for U-boats and dirigibles
and he apparently, at least
he says this came up with the term blimp
for certain types of airships.
And that's actually where Faustineis going to come in.
SCOTTSo we're going to do one scene today,
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and this is a
this is such a dorky scene.
I'm already slightly embarrassed and nowI have to do it because I called it out.
So this is a dramatizationof, of allegedly
how the term blimp startedto be used for airships.
And there is a differencebetween a blimp and a
is it just dirigible?
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I'm going to sound like an idiot.What is the other two.
Dirigible airship Zeppelins?
Yeah, so there's.
There's the hardbody. And blimps are notthat.
Blimps are fully inflated.
I'll read the descriptionsand I'm going to read
Cunningham.
And you'll read Goddard.
You ready for it?You want to dive into it?
You ready? Go. It's trying to read aheada little bit.
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You going to trya terrible British accent or not?
Only if you want to.
You definitelydo not have to by any means.
Hey, if four or £5 for me,I can do it in Scottish.
I don't know if I can do English.
It is very early in the morning, soI don't know if you want a bunch of pints.
Yeah.
In RAAF Airfield during the day
in the 19 teens of some kind.
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I didn't write down exactly whatyou understand, Lieutenant Cunningham.
A very British gentleman,is at the airfield to examine airships.
He's walking around the ground in hangarsaccompanied by midshipmen at the time.
Victor Got it.
And this
here, sir, is a submarineScout Pleasure airship.
Oh, brilliant.
What's this bit here, then?
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That's called the Gasbag.
That was my nickname in school.
Get it, Gasbag?
Yes. Cunningham leans towards the gasbag
and flicks it with his thumband makes a strange noise that echoes.
Cunningham. Laughs
and flicks it again.
One blimp.
Cunningham looks to Goddard,
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expecting Goddard to be laughing,but he's just weirded out
interior of the mess hall.
Later on, Goddard is surroundedby his mates, eating dinner,
regaling them about his tourwith Cunningham.
And then he flicks the gas bag andit makes this blimp sound with his mouth.
The men laugh.
I love.
When does the scout fly next?
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Don't you meanwhen does the blimp fly next to her?
Haha,that's what we should call it from now on.
What's are.
Oh I just love doingvery pompous British laughs.
Yes, so that is the that is
the storyof how the term blimp came about.
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Victor Goddard regaled his his friendsand fellow officers in the mess hall.
Later, after this, Lieutenant Cunninghamflicked the gasbag of a of a blimp
and it made a blimp sound
and that is where we get the term again,allegedly allegedly get the term blimp.
That is not the only termthat Goddard came up with, allegedly.
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We'll get to to that a little later on.
Is this true?
It it may not be, but hey, there you go.
There's other peoplethat say or other things I've read.
I shouldn't say people I know.
People are behind the writing I read,but I don't know who they are.
But the there's some descriptionsthat say that there was a type of World
War one Britishairship called the Balloon Type B limp,
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and you combinetype B and limp and you make blimp.
But yeah,
there's just a lot ofno one actually knows for sure
if any listeners out thereknow the real story behind the term blimp.
Give me, give me a shout.
A study of strange at gmail.com.
I'd love to to hear somesome confirmation of those things.
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Now, after the First World War, Sir Victor
studied for a whileand then became an instructor.
He commanded a bomber squadronin Iraq in 1929,
and he was also involved in intelligencefor the air Ministry.
And according to his obituary,he was part of a counter espionage mission
mission in the 1930s where he he feddisinformation to the Germans.
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And it helped the UK get a leg upon their bomber designs for World War Two.
So this guy is doing a lot.
So this guy is a, again,
fascinating, amazingcareer and life that Victor Goddard had.
Now, most interesting to me is Goddardmay well have been the one to come up with
the idea that saved hundreds of thousandsof British soldiers at Dunkirk.
(29:08):
Yes, following the beginning of WorldWar Two.
So Dunkirk,I mean, there was a recent Christopher
Nolan movie, so that's whya lot of younger people may know about it.
But yeah, a lot of British soldiers arebasically trapped in the north of France,
in the Dunkirk area on the beach.
The British cannot send enough battleshipsto save them.
(29:30):
And the the
a lot of British citizensgot in their boats and.
Went across the channel, went across.
The channel and saved hundredsof thousands of British soldiers lives.
This is also where the famous Churchillspeech comes out of this experience.
Now. Goddard The story goes that he flewin a seat lists
plane at night from France into England.
(29:53):
He had to make sure he wasn't shot downflying over England.
So he had to be very careful on landat the right time
and all that kind of stuff.
And he found his way to basically talkinghis way into a Joint Chiefs meeting.
And he told them that, hey, we've got toevacuate like 200 plus thousand soldiers.
Stat in the military were like,
we don't have enough destroyersto save them all.
(30:15):
Oh, dear.
And Goddard suggestedsending an armada of small boats
and then he was kicked out of the roombecause that's ridiculous.
And then they basically didand they did that.
Now, again, I can't
I don't know if that's true or not,but I do kind of believe it.
Like this is a well-respectedmilitary person.
There's other people there that are alivewhen he's telling people
(30:38):
the story that he did this.
So I don'tI don't actually doubt that that's true.
I think he wasprobably had something to do
with figuring out a planto save these soldiers.
So it's it's really fascinating.
The whole episode'sfascinating, the whole Dunkirk story.
Yeah.
You'll hear stuff from the British,British sides, from the German side,
like if you ever interestedin a deep dive. That was.
(31:00):
Yeah, it is.
It is worth it for peoplethat are sort of fans
of that type of historyand reading and stuff.
It is it's an amazing story and I definitely need to read more about it myself
and check out the Christopher Nolan movie.
I actually really enjoyed it, even thoughit wasn't everybody's favorite, right?
Yeah, I only made it throughabout the first 15 or 20 minutes.
(31:22):
I'm not going to lie. Yeah.
So anyway, around this time, VictorGoddard became friends with a philosopher
named E.W.
Fawcett, a British philosopherwhose theories I did.
I actually had trouble trying to readmore about him because I want to know
a little bit of a deep diveor trying to find more about E.W.
Fawcett.
And there's just a lot more readingI have to do to be able to explain him.
(31:45):
But he he had these kind of far out ideasabout how the universe works
and in my own words,and I'm going to butcher his philosophy.
But essentially he he
he thought in
the sort of the imagination,the power of the mind was more important
or more believable than kind of normalscience, quote unquote.
(32:07):
And there's probably philosophersor people that have read about Fossett
out there listening to this being like,what the hell are you talking about?
That's completely wrong.
But that's just kind of my interpretationfrom the little bit I've read.
And but he had a big influence on SirVictor Goddard's life.
And in my own opinion,I think he unintentionally
kind of pointed Goddard into a largerfascination with the unexplained
(32:31):
or paranormal that I think Goddardprobably originally was was like.
So I think that relationship
between the two of them is an importantone in Goddard's life.
It a real opening for third eyekind of. Thing, I think.
So I think I really thinkthat he was influenced by them.
Goddard loved the paranormal.
He loved the unexplored,and he loved stories like this.
(32:53):
Sam Yeah, yeah.
I mean, me too.Anything I'd explained of there.
And he loved writing and things
like theorizing about the worldin these strange things. And
yes, he also became a spiritualistafter Fossett died.
Fossett died,I think, in 1960, right around there.
I did write down the exact year,but after he died,
(33:14):
Goddard wanted to be ableto communicate with him.
And they had apparently talked about thisbefore Fossett died.
So Goddard became a spiritualist,which the definition of
that is someone that believesthat they can communicate with the dead.
Yeah. Yeah. So.
So Goddard's really getting into the worldlike that.
And so this later era of Goddard's life,because he retired
(33:35):
from the military in the fifties,I believe, 51.
So it kind of like the second half,the second phase of Goddard's life.
He was very military focused at firstand now he's getting into this.
Drifts into the spiritual holistic mind,a holistic like spiritual world.
This idea, the spiritual worldis a good way to say it.
One of the tales of paranormal
(33:57):
that comes from Goddard that I thinkI probably this is how I knew his name
before the Time Slip story isthere is a famous photograph
that Goddardtook of his air squadron in 1991,
and it allegedly shows the ghost of a manthat had just died that day,
standing right behind a guy in the backrow of the photo
(34:19):
and the ghost's name was Freddy Jackson,and that is Victor Gut.
So if you've ever watched a TV showabout ghost photos or a YouTube video
or gone on a website that listlike famous Ghost photos, this is
one of one of the most famous ones,and that is a photo that Goddard took.
So he'sinstantly asleep, not instantaneously.
(34:41):
But at this moment in his life,he ties himself
to the world of the paranormalwith that photo.
There's also a famous story
where which is a more famous
kind of strange story of Goddardthan even the time slip
one where in 1946 he was in Shanghai.
(35:01):
He was at a partyand a fellow officer mentioned
that he had a dreamthat Goddard died in a plane crash,
basically crashing into like a rocky cliffor beach or something like that.
And Goddard was supposed to fly to,I think, Japan that night,
and he ended up getting into a big crashthat was very similar to this dream.
(35:22):
But he survived.
This is the key difference in the dream.
He died in real life. He survived.
And now a movie based onthis experience was made in 1955.
It also inspired a Twilight Zone episode.
So that is what Goddard kind
of became very famousfor in the mid-century, is that story of.
The he's out therehe's yeah, in the community of.
(35:45):
Yes. Paranormal and he looks.
Indeed and there's even another storyI didn't write this one down
but he he had another experienceI think earlier in his life where he had
a dream and sort of like foresawI think World War One is what it was.
He like saw a cloud that lookedlike Europe and it was being taken over.
And so he first saw this major world warand thinks
(36:08):
that he was seeing into the futuregetting a sign of what is to become.
So, yes, he is very much in that world.
He also believed in UFOs and he would goto meetings and conferences later in life.
He would give talks about UFOs.
And I wrote down a quote,This is one of his most famous quotes.
You see it ina lot of different articles written about
(36:29):
where he gave a speech about UFOs.
And I found this speech fascinating
because I'm not smart enoughto understand it.
Do you want to read it? Actuallymight be fun for you to read it.
You want to give it a go? Sure.
So it's the highlighted green thing there.
All right.
So what?
All right.
(36:50):
Given that really UFOs are pure, physical,capable of reflecting light like ghosts,
and given also that they remain visibleas they change position
at ultrahighspeeds from one point to another,
it follows that those that remain visiblein transition do not do materialize
for that swift transition,and therefore their mass must be made of a
(37:10):
I got nothing.
Dan, if you could skip Dan first nature
the observable
the the observed validity of this supportsthe power of physical rotation
and makes the likelihood of UFObeing earth created greater
than the likelihood of their creationon another planet.
The astral world of illusion, which onphysical evidence is greatly inhabited.
(37:33):
Jeez, that's not a Yeah.
There's a reason why I have you read.
This is greatly inhabited by illusionprone spirits is well-known
for its multifarious,imaginative activities.
The man knew how to use a thesaurus.
Yes, he did.
He, like I said,very good talker, very good writer.
But again, I say, trying to.
(37:53):
Explain like just the fact that UFOscan go from in the air to the water.
And I think so.
And also it also couldpotentially be sort of earth created.
Yeah, because there's theory out thereabout UFOs that can move between water
and through Earth and through the air,
and they never slow downor lose momentum or anything.
And that has to prove that they weremade here because we wouldn't have this
(38:15):
wherever planet they're from,wouldn't have the same viscosity or
accelerationdue to gravity or anything like that.
And then the physics.
But if he said early onthat was at the forties, thirties.
This is I think he said thisin the seventies, okay.
At one of the talks he was atand I apologize, I should have actually
written that down.
(38:36):
The way I take notesis I'm like I'll remember
that was in 1975 and then I totally don't.
But I believe this is in the seventieslater on when he was kind
of more involved with that world.
But no, he had a lot ofhe had a lot of theories.
And I'm surethey changed throughout his life
like they do for all of us,about all things
paranormal and unexplained,including UFOs and time travel.
(38:57):
And obviously his experiencesand his life affected his beliefs.
And these things.
But in my point with that is that hehe is thinking about this stuff,
I think, a little ahead of his time,especially when you specifically
if we focus in on the time slip storywhere he's talking about things in a way
that wasn't just like a it's an alien,which most people were in the 1970s
(39:22):
and with the time slip thing,if people talk about time travel back
then it wasn't as sort of popularizedas it is now,
but they would have been more like H.G.
Wells. It would have beena little more old school.
But this like slip in timeis kind of ahead of its time
when you think about the way that we thinkabout space and time nowadays.
When was Crichton writing about that?
Because he did a book.
(39:44):
I think in that he did in the.
Seventies or eighties, he was.
Doing I think it was the eighties timewhen they go back in time to the medieval.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which made a really terrible movie.
It's great book though.
Yeah.
No, I'm forgetting the name of it,but it's good.
Yeah, it is good.
And in the Garwin was is a timeline.
That's what it's called timeline.
There we go.
You know
so it would have beenkind of more old school
(40:05):
but he's he's a bit ahead of his time
with the way that he'snot only experiencing things
but the way he's trying to understandthem.
And that, yeah, that just makesme like this guy even more.
So. My
question just to pose to myselfand to the world and to you
is you have this decorated veteran.
(40:27):
You have this highly intelligentindividual that's thinking about things
in kind of new ways is howwhat do we believe,
I guess with his experience with this time
slip in 1934,
do you have any any new thoughts,especially after learning more about it?
Well, yeah.
(40:47):
The whole like, what do we believe,especially nowadays with
all the different argumentsof science versus what you believe
and opens a whole other can of worms, I'm
more inclined to believe the guythat is it.
Having to read what?
He spoke out loud.
He seems like a very smart, smart guy.
(41:08):
Yeah, but at the same time, like,you just throw enough big words together.
You can make everybody seemlike anybody, seem like they're smart.
And I don'tknow if smart is what you're looking for
when you're like,I'd rather somebody believable than smart.
Yeah. Yeah.
And the way he describescoming through day,
(41:30):
bursting through the clouds,you know, like I said, like sepia toned.
Yeah.
Beautiful, like idyllic landing stripand all that sort of stuff. It.
I don't know.
It seems like it could be somethingthat he's misremembering, but also
like, if that matches in the Yeah.
The model of plane matchesand then Yeah it absolutely could be true.
(41:51):
Yeah. And none of this
when you're trying to figure outif these things are real or not.
I believe he believed it.
And and that's a big difference
with someone who you're like knowjust making that up to make it up.
Yeah.
Like,I really do believe that he believes this.
And you do have to take into account
sort of that confirmation biasthat we can all have with our beliefs
(42:14):
where he could have experienced something
that has a, a definitiveearthly explanation.
But because of his confirmationbias, he's creating something out of it.
And in terms of that, I actually do wantto share a few thoughts about
real world, real
potential explanationsfor what he did dream he did.
(42:37):
You describe when he flew over itas being this completely like farm,
like land, and wasn't in usewhere you can actually look up the history
of an airfield onlineand you can find out that in 1933
they began to use it again, not the RAAF,but it was used for civil planes.
And civil planes
aren't going to necessarily be paintedthe same color as Royal Air Force.
(42:58):
They're they could be brightcolored. Yeah.
Go to any airport. Absolutely.
So Dream was in use.
It was not completely vacated.
And so this would have been a yearafter they started using DRAM again.
And he also could have been lost.
He just was in this major storm.
If that's real, he could have popped outsomewhere that he didn't think something.
(43:20):
I read this articleI read online, someone theorize
that it could have been the RinHugh Airdrome, which is was the home
for the Scottish Flying Club in 1934,which would have again had brightly
painted planesabout biplanes and monovalent planes.
So that could have beenwhy he was seeing this kind of things
and also the wrong color mechanic outfits,because if it's not the Royal
(43:44):
Air Force, people can wear whatever wantmight have seen to be on blue.
If you're out on an airfield,
a lot of timesthe color you're wearing is your job.
And maybe they weren't mechanics,maybe they were like landing strip
guys or something. Absolutely.
And he also thought he saw MilesMagister Monoplane, which he said
later on in life when he started tellingthe story, didn't come out until 1939.
(44:07):
That's actually not true.
It had been aroundsince 33, the year before.
And there were also othermono planes that he could have mistaken it
for at the time.
And if it wasn't military,it might have been painted yellow.
Yeah.
So the I'm not saying these are in factwhat happened.
I'm just saying these could bethe explanation for what's going on
(44:28):
and also timehe's not really sharing the story
for 30 years time changes your memory.
It happens to all of usno matter what we say.
So he could be literally justmisremembering something he saw.
And yeah, the Dead Reckoning navigationthing is what's getting to me the most.
Yeah. Yeah.
That product of the American public schoolsystem and teach me how credit works.
(44:51):
But I took an aviationclass in high school and
run through how to, how to
put out a flight path and how to chart itand all the navigation tools.
And yeah, this is in the nineties.
So there's, it's even in the ninetiesit's almost all done by computer but
they teach us on stuff from the seventiesand eighties and that's Yeah that's Yeah.
(45:11):
Well it's important to knowthat I would assume all pilots
have to learn that learnhow to navigate with dead reckoning
and with basically every typeof potential option of navigation.
Because what if something fails?
Like I would imagine that they do traineverybody in those kind of things.
Now, today
and also I have an accountfor the ghost story just because I love
I love stuff like this where you find likethis is the story that everybody knows
(45:35):
and they find somethingactually different.
So I wanted to share this,even though it doesn't
have to do with the time flip story.
So the famous ghost pitcherthat he has that you see on every ghost
documentary show, because I watch those,I see it all the time.
I've been seeing it for years.
The story of a dead soldier that diedthat very day that is in the picture.
It turns out he didn't die that day.
(45:56):
He was in a crash at that airfield,but he was whisked away to a hospital,
died later.
Many, many, many, many, many miles away.
Not rightthere did not die right at that time.
And so that
just does that does show how our beliefsand that confirmation
bias because he remembers Goddardwould have remembered that guy crashing.
Hey, remember, he died.
(46:16):
He didn't know when he died.He died right there.
So we showed up in the picture that dayand it's like, no, he he actually didn't.
We can't imagine the definitionon the photograph was great.
And yeah. Well, that's the.
Thing to find a bunch of white guysin the forties on an airfield.
White guys, forties and airfieldhe is what's interesting about it
that does make you kind of go likeooh that is spooky is the person is not
(46:38):
wearing a hat where everybody else is inthe picture is wearing a hat
because it's likelythis is just double exposure.
Okay, Think about filmthe way cameras work.
It's not like today
you got to have time for the lightto effect the chemicals on the film.
I took that class in high school, too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And nothing on creditor finance or anything.
No, no, no. Again, you got to get.
That's not photography.Yeah, don't, don't worry about that stuff.
(47:01):
But yeah.
So it's likely it's double exposure.
And one of the theoriesthat I've read about this photo
is that it could have been
literally the gentleman in the back rowright in front of the quote unquote ghost.
And he could have been taking off his hator Oh my God, I got to put my hat on,
like as they're taking the photo.
So that little movementcreated the ghostly image.
And that's why all old photographs shoot.
(47:23):
When it comes to Ghost,it's like they just
90% of the timeit's just double exposure or something.
You got to do it right.
And I believe thatwith that picture as well.
So again, I don't thinkGoddard lied about his time slip.
I do think we have to questionwhether he really experienced it.
That's my skeptical brain.
(47:43):
My theory is he saw somethingand he's misremembering
or he saw a different airfieldor there were people using the airfield
and it wasn't quite as in shamblesas the day before when he says and.
I think he's flown through two World War,so he's probably seen
quite a bit of actionand some awful stuff concussed in the air.
And he sort of had anti-aircraftfire coming at him.
(48:05):
Yeah,he absolutely could misremember stuff.
I think he's misremembering stuffthat that's just me.
But I do believe he believed it.
And I do think there is something forsomebody that doesn't believe in hooey.
Bluey Whatever stuff that just lovesstories of them.
I actually do think TimesSlip is an interesting
(48:26):
it is an interesting anomaly.
There are other stories.
Again, this is just this episode,ladies and gentlemen.
It's kind of just for me to dipmy toes into this.
This is totally a personal episode.
It's like,I just want to learn more about this.
And this is a wayfor me to start to do it,
because there are many other
times with storiesand they're all absolutely fascinating
(48:47):
and in a weird way, more believablethan so many other strange stories.
So I want to learn more about it.
If anybody out there has stories of timeslips that they think I should look at,
look into whether it be for the showor just for my own education.
Email me a study of Stranger at gmail.com.
Let me know.
I've read a few alreadyabout people in Liverpool like seeing a,
(49:11):
you know, a shopping truckthat's from a different time and
there was someone in front of themthat was also from the modern age
and they both experienced itat the same time.
I've heard stories of people in Englanddriving down the highway
and suddenly there's like 1940smilitary aircraft flying overhead
and then the military aircraftjust disappear and there's
actually a number of old militarylike aircraft.
(49:33):
And that's one of the fascinating thingsabout this time
flip story, too,because it's one of the first ones.
But people in the seventies and eightiesand nineties have these experiences
with like World War Two airplanes.
That are flying overhead.
So that, yeah, there's somethinginteresting about time slips and old
airplanes.
Maybe that's just peopleseeing an old aircraft like.
Collector airplanes out there.
Yeah, Living in L.A.,I actually see old aircraft all the time
(49:56):
flying overhead because there's variousbases and airports around.
But there's also plenty of other storiesthat are all very odd.
And what I like about themis they're quick
and that makes them to me a little bitmore believable because it's not like
I lived in 1972 for five months,but it was actually 12 and 15.
Is not a lot of time to make stuffup. Yeah, exactly.
It's like,no, it's it's a brief glance through time
(50:19):
and space and it's
yeah, I'm just thoroughly intrigued,even though I do not understand it yet.
So hopefully I will have follow upepisodes again, email me ideas, things
I should look into for thisand I will definitely check it out.
Let me know your thoughts on SirVictor Goddard's story as well.
And yeah, any, any final thoughts on this?
(50:41):
Scott No, I ran through the gamut today
on this guy's sideand then I'm thinking about this and,
well, yeah, is it a time slipor like a memory slip at this point?
And so, yeah, I will be going and doinga little bit more homework myself.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think everybody should read it'sa, it's a really cool story.
And check out Victor's book as well.
Again, I'll put linksto find old copies of it in my show notes.
(51:05):
So check that out.
So do you want people to find youor you on the social media?
Do you want to doany of that kind of stuff?
I am. I'm not terribly interesting.
I mostly take pictures of my kidand nature does live in Colorado.
It's absolutely. Gorgeous. Yeah,yeah. Yeah.
I don't Instagram at rugger.
Gordo said. Rugby. X rugby player.
(51:28):
Yeah.
If anything, go visit DenverWater Dogs Rugby dot com.
There you go. Click around on there.
Help us get some numbers.
Yeah. Rugby ladies, Jim and rugby.
Check it out.
I'm definitely physically perfectfor rugby
and my, my small non muscular build.
I think I would do very well.
I'd get hit,very hit over it very, very easily.
(51:51):
Well thank youScott, for doing this. My pleasure.
And hopefully I've left youthinking about time
and time travel in some fashion.
That'll do it for the show.
Thank you so much for listening.
Thank you to Scott Smith for joining me.
If you want to know more about Sir VictorGoddard's experiences with the paranormal
or Time slip story,there are great resources on this topic.
(52:17):
And just for time sake,we really couldn't go into all of it,
which is always disappointing.
But that's the nature of the beast.
So I will providelinks to all the good ones I can think of.
I'm sure there's more out thereand I'm very sincere.
Like I said in the show,if you know of a good time slip story
that I should check out
either for the show or just for myselffor managing my own education,
(52:38):
send me an emailat a study of strange at gmail.com.
Make sure to follow us on Instagramat a study of strange.
Check out our Patreonand everything else on our website.
A study of strange Gqomand please subscribe, Rate and Review.
Next week we will be talking aboutanother strange phenomenon
(52:59):
with filmmaker Laura moss,who is premiering a movie Birth
Rebirth, at Sundance in just about a weekfrom this recording right here.
So check that out. Very excited about it.
I think that does it.
Thank you all again and goodnight.
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