March 14, 2023 • 41 mins
Albert Ostman's shocking encounter and kidnapping by a family of Sasquatch in 1924 is still a hotly debated topic. Was he telling the truth? Did he really spend almost a week living with Bigfoot? Are Bigfoot real? Maybe a six year old kid, and budding cryptozoologist, will have an answer.
Is this an appropriate story to share with my son? Probably not but the nightmares haven't been that bad....
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1924.
British Columbia, Canada.
A prospector days into an adventure
into the wildernessto look for a lost gold mine.
Claimed that he was kidnapedby a large, bipedal, hairy creature.
And then he spent almost a weekliving amongst a family of them.
The tale of Albert Osmondand his encounter
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with Sasquatcheshas become the stuff of legend.
The story is both surreal,terrifying and humorous.
He never publicly spokeabout his experience
until the 1950s, right around the timethat the term Bigfoot
started to be used in the United States.
Tonight,I share this strange tale with my son,
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a young childwho has become quite upset with Bigfoot.
And I am so proud and excited about that.
This is a study of strange.
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comment or two about tonight's episodebefore we dive in first,
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Welcome to a study of strange, everyone.
I am Michael May.
And today we're going to delveinto one of the most fascinating
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Bigfoot stories of all time,the tale of Albert Osterman,
a man who in 1924 claimedhe was kidnaped by a sasquatch
and spent six days with an entire familyof Sasquatch before escaping.
And joining me is my Bigfoot specialist.
But Bigfoot scientist, the guy that knowsmore about Bigfoot than anybody.
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My six year old son, Hollis. And
can you say hi? Hi.
First Hollis.
And I think it's a good question,which is how.
How did you first hear about Bigfoot?
Do you even know now?
Do you think it was video games?
No, Vin Probably videos.
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Oh, videos like videos online.
So, like, what kind of videos?
What have you seen about Bigfoot?
I don't really know.
You know, I really never remember.
Well, there's one video I know you've seen
that's come up,and it's actually an old film.
It's the Patterson Jim Linn film.Oh, right.
Yeah. And you. So listen, everybody.
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I think when he started to getinto Bigfoot, he would actually act out.
And you can actually imitate the walk.
The Bigfoot walk from the famous Pattersongamelan film, which was the story behind
that is these guys, they were actuallymaking a Bigfoot documentary.
So they actually went out with a cameraand they were trying to find it.
And after searching for a long time,
they found that Bigfootand they were only able to film
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for that little bit of timebefore it wandered away.
If it was really a Bigfoot, because alot of people claim that that was a hoax.
Right? Yeah.
What do you believe?
Do you believe Bigfoot is real?
Sorta.
Yeah, sort of is actually a fantastic.
Answer from books. I've heard
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Bigfoot.
Normally somebody dressed up to prankpeople
wants to live in the one man.
So the people want to live in the woodsor the Bigfoot wants to live in the woods.
The person who probably is dressed up
as a Bigfoot or a Bigfoot
would probably want to live in the woods.
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Yeah.
Why all the sightings of Bigfootor somewhere near, like, a wooded area?
Yeah.
Do you think that they'realso in a wooded area?
Because there's not as many people
that live in wooded areas,so that's why they're kind of secretive.
Yeah,that makes a lot of sense to me, too.
And so Holliston herehas become quite a fan of Bigfoot stuff.
He really likes Bigfoot and you knowa lot about Bigfoot for a six year old.
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Do you know that?
You don't remember when you first saw itor the type of videos?
But what really gotyou interested in Bigfoot?
Was it videos themselvesor was it also some video games?
Because there is a Sasquatch video gamethat you play?
All right. I really
probably the Sasquatch video game.
Mm hmm.
And what do you do in that?
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You run around dragging your finger,and you're controlling the Sasquatch.
Yeah. And there's.And you're in a campsite,
and you have, like, a little house,and you can get, like, a dog.
You can get costumesand go in the city as a Bigfoot.
And you get jobs and stuff,and no one knows it's a Bigfoot, right?
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Like, the other.
Stuff is the game.You're just spontaneous.
You go in the campsite,everybody's like, Oh, it's Laura.
So what do you know about Bigfoot?
Do you know what area of the countrythey live in?
I think I used to know that, but I forgot.
Oh, okay. Okay, That's.That's totally fair.
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So I'll give you a little bit of history
of the Bigfoot real quickjust to kind of get you up to speed.
So Bigfoot is also known as Sasquatch.
Some people claim the difference,and people say they're the same
and they legends.
The lore of Bigfoot goes backcenturies and various indigenous cultures
in North America.
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In many of these cultures have legendsof large, hairy humanoid creatures.
Humanoid means like human,but not really human.
And they live in the wildernessand they're bipedal.
So bipedal means they walk on two feet.
So if you think about a gorillaright there, when they actually walk, they
to put down their really strong arms too.
But I think about gorillas.
I normally think, Oh, interesting Bigfoot.
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That walks differently.
Oh, that's really interesting.
Yeah. Yeah. And what, two feet?
That's right.
So you had the legend saythat this is a bipedal creature,
so walking upright like humans,and it's classified as encrypted.
And encrypted is.
It's an animalthat's not recognized by science,
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so it means there's no definitive proofthat it exists.
However,a lot of people still believe in them.
And for the purposes of today's episode,I will intertwine the term Bigfoot
and Sasquatch just because I grew uphearing Bigfoot all the time.
So I mean, the same creaturewhen I say both of those.
And the term Bigfoot was firstused in the late 1950s, 1958, specifically
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after a series of reportedsightings of this large
apelike creature in California,which is where we live.
But they were up farther north.
North.
Definitely up farther north.
Because if you just saw the big
four of them say, you'd be like, that'sdefinitely somebody dressed for Halloween.
Would they have a job in the city?
I think they should get a jobif they're in the city.
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You know,you got to contribute to society somehow.
What would a Bigfoot do as a job?
Probably
something going around in office
delivering mail, creeping people.
Their job would be to create people.Or that they just happen.
Yeah. Yeah.
They'd be like unloading footwearand something like, That's great.
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So yeah, in the in 1958,there was a logger
in Northern California named Jerry Crewwho found these footprints.
And they were really big,like too big to be a bear, he thought.
And they even made some plastercast of them in this kind of thing.
Yeah.
If people do that,would it be like the big foot?
Foot would get stuck in like mud? Yes.
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Yes, that's exactly right.
And so they found all these Bigfoot.
It got written up in the local paper,in the Humboldt Times paper.
And then it spread.
It got picked up
by the big nationwide newspapers,and they started calling this the Bigfoot.
And that's where the term Bigfoot camefrom, is literally from big feet marks.
And that's why they started calling itBigfoot.
Now, years later,one of the coworkers of Jerry Crewe,
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his family came forwardand said that their dad had made fake feet
made out of wood, thathe would push into the ground as a prank.
And they claim that'swhat started the big Bigfoot craze
and the sort of the modern daylegend of Bigfoot from this prank.
I knew it was people trying to prank.
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Well, that may have happenedbecause some people don't
believe that story, but but it very wellmight have just been a prank.
And plus, it didn't make it out.
Would you?
Probably going to see, like,little things,
like it's not going to be perfectfor a big feat
if you made it out of wood, it's probablygoing to have like, little sharp things.
Yeah, no, it's definitely from one.
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Oh, that's. Interesting.
Yeah.
Like sometimes wood can have, like,little sharp things that just come off.
Yeah, I do like that.
They're going to be like, Definitely.
Definitely.
Wood Now, historically in Canada,do you know where Canada is?
Alison No.
So Canada is a countryjust north of our country.
So if you went up like if you drovenorth to, you remember going to Morro.
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Bay, California.
So if you just kept going up forlike another day, you would hit Canada.
And so they border our country just north.
So in Canadathey have a term called Sasquatch.
It's where Sasquatch comes from.
It's from the Challis Indigenous Peoplesof British Columbia, Canada.
And their original termwas more like Saskatoon or Saskatoon.
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And we got like, people like methat can't pronounce things correctly.
It became Sasquatch.
And that's where that term comes from.
So since then, there have been thousandsof reported sightings of Bigfoot across
North America,particularly in the Pacific Northwest,
which is like Northern California, upthrough Oregon and Washington, Canada.
And many people have claimedto have seen something or heard something.
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There's been countlessbooks and documentaries and other media
focused on the subject, including YouTubevideos that Alison's probably watched.
Now, despite the numerous reportedsightings, no
conclusive evidence of Bigfoot'sexistence has ever been found.
Skeptics arguethat the sightings are likely hoaxes
or misidentification of known animalslike bears.
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But believers point out that there'sa consistency to the descriptions
and lack of any known animal that matchesthe creature's reported characteristics.
And today, Bigfoot remains
one of the most iconic cryptidsin North American folklore
and continues to fascinateand intrigue people around the world.
And there's similar creatureshave been so-called seen in other parts
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of the world.
Like, can you think of onethat's like Bigfoot, but not Bigfoot.
It's somewhere else. I know you know one.
Now, what
if one had white fur instead of black?
What would that. Be?
Ready, Yeti, Do you knowwhere the Yeti supposedly lives?
No mountains.
So the Himalayan mountains,which is in Asia, that's where they have
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this local legend of of Yeti,which is a similar type creature.
There's also the skunk ape down in Floridawhere I'm from.
Yeah. I don't know if you've heardabout this kind of cave.
It's like a it's like a bigfoot.
It's a Bigfoot.
Like Big Foot that looks like a skunk.
No, no.
This would be like,the funniest things that I've ever seen.
So one of the reasonswhy things like Skunk Ape comes up
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is a lot of people that thinkthat they've seen or been around Bigfoot
is they say that it smells really badlyin in.
In sneaky Sasquatch.
Okay.
You're a captain in a boat.
It is one of the jobs. Yeah.
And then somebody comes onand they say, this
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captain stinks.
So, yeah, that's where that comes from.Because people think.
It's, like. Smells bad.
Why doesn't it stinks?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, that's why they're called gunk.
I think.
I think that's part of the skunkCape legend. I could be. Wrong.
Why are bigfoots different colorsand ways like some
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that's like some brown, some black.
I think it depends on what imageyou see of a Bigfoot.
Because, remember, they might not be real.
So you're seeing people's imaginationof what they look like.
Or it could be different times of day.
And also it's normally it may just be like
some Bigfoot around, some mix.
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That's what I was about to say.
Because we're humansand we all look different.
So not every Bigfoot may look the.
Same like some of the brown skin.
Some of us have lights. Exactly.
That's right.
So who says Bigfoot?
I'll have to look to say maybe there area lot of differences in Bigfoot.
That's why
they call that sort of human life.
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That's very human, right?
Yeah.
And also, there's a coding game calledScratch Junior,
and I made mine a big foot, and I codedand then foot in the jungle.
And I think I'd find that'sI actually did like a woods area
where there's, like, little red eyesfrom the trees, the background.
And I covered the feet, big foot.
So I got likeI could have covered the tummy.
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Yeah. It looks.
And I colored the skin.
Brown Yeah.
And I brown.
Cool. And I forgot your color the time.
This time it was yellow
and they put a farmer infor like what I would call adventure.
And I made a scene where the Bigfoot comesin and, like, returns.
Digg comes in and hugs it, and then, like,
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he spins itand then do labs like this, he lands that.
I'm just like that.
Then I'd kill him. No. Yeah.
So do you want to heara real Bigfoot story in terms of.
It's a real story,but it may not have actually been real.
Okay, so I'm going to tell youthe story of Albert Osman.
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And this took placeabout a hundred years ago,
and this is beforepeople were using the term Bigfoot.
What do you have those come out?
Well,UFOs have been around a long time, too.
That's a that's another.
We'll have to have you back onfor a UFO story.
I'll listen. And
so I got busy.
And I know about you fellas.
Yeah, I will. I will.
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There you go.
Well, you heard it here, listeners.
Keep subscribe tape and make sure you'relistening to the show.
And you can hear Hollison a future episode talking about UFOs.
All right, So,Albert Osman, I said, this is a guy
who experienced something in 1924,like I said, about a hundred years ago
or 99, but right around a hundred,
he was a Canadian prospectorand he did not
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share this story for decades.
He didn't tell anybody about itbecause he thought people
would think he's crazy,or at least that's what he says.
He ended up telling the story to QueenElizabeth,
the queen of England, in 1959,because it was such a fascinating story.
Yeah, the queen heard this story.
So a queen would be like, Knight,
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go out, tell this ape about this dude.
Well, apparentlythe queen was very interested in Bigfoot.
She was like you.
She had an interestin the story of Bigfoot.
I don't know if she believed in Bigfoot,but she liked the stories.
So the story goes house.
And then in 1924, this prospector,he prospectors, by the way, they're.
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They're like miners.They're trying to find.
Miners that are, like,hunting for mounds of Bigfoot.
All like in that videowhere the well, they were finding
and they found the skullthere, like the future episodes more.
And then they said fake.Skull, fake skull.
No, I don't say it looks nothing.
I think I saw itin, like, a wall of wigs. Oh,
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yeah.
And it had, like, a gun line through it.
Yeah.
So this he wasn't prospecting for bones.
I think he prospected for goldis what he was actually into.
But he was looking for like aI don't know, like a male.
And some say that because again
that's part some teleport. Yeah.
Some people think they teleportfrom other dimensions and stuff like that.
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So big that No I can do that.
Yeah I agree with you.
I think that's just likeI think that's like they're fast.
People think they're just teleporting.Oh, maybe.
Yeah, they're so fast.What's in there too?
Maybe so.
Albert Osman Hollis.
And he was going on vacation,but his idea of a vacation
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was to go camp out, hike through the woodsand look for a lost goldmine.
That's what he wanted to do for fun.
Oh, they want to be rich.He wanted to be rich.
And he was going up to an area in the TobaInlet of British Columbia, Canada,
and he had what he called an old Indianguide, took him up to the inlet
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and the guide told Osman a story of a manwho had been killed by a sasquatch,
and Osmandidn't know what a sasquatch was.
So he was like, What's what's a Sasquatch?
And here I'm going to read somethingfrom his own account to you
quoting, quoting Osman himself right now.
At the time,I had never heard of Sasquatch,
so I askedwhat kind of animal he called a Sasquatch.
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The Indians said they have hairall over their bodies,
but they are not animals.
They are people,big people living in the mountains.
My uncle saw the tracks of onethat were two feet long.
One old Indian saw one overeight feet tall.
I told the Indian I didn't believein their old fables about mountain giants.
It might have been some thousandsof years ago, but not nowadays.
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The Indians said.
There may not be many,but they still exist.
So that's from one of his accountsof this story.
So he gets dropped off by this Indian,by what he called
the old Indian guide,and he hiked around a handful of days.
He was camping out.
He was climbing aroundlooking for this old man.
Oh, I know. Story You're telling me that.
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Well, I think I think I've told youa little bit about this in the past,
but not all of it.
So he finally,after a number of days, finds
what he calls a good camp wherehe can like, really set a nice camp up.
You know, outside a good a camp in a caveso you can sit like a fire outside
and then you could have a sleepin a building like a tent.
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You know, maybe. It's really green.
It's a that's a good call.
And I don't think he did that.
I think he was set upkind of near some trees.
But anyway, one morning after sleeping,he noticed some of his stuff
had been rummaged around,like something came
in, look through stuff,but nothing was stolen.
So he thought porky pie,where it was getting into his belongings.
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So he wanted to find out if it was reallyporcupines, if it was something else.
So one night he gets in a sleeping bagand he puts stuff in his sleeping bag
with them to keep it safe.
So he had cans of food,he had his rifle and his knife
all in the sleeping bag with them, whichdoesn't sound very comfortable to me.
Oh, he said that big,but he could pull out as.
Well and he'd see
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he thought it was a porcupine,but he still wanted his rifle for that.
I don't know. But he fell asleep
and he wanted to stay up.
But he fell asleep.
And then he woke up because somethingwas carrying him inside a sleeping bag.
So something picked up the sleeping bagwith all the stuff in it,
including him and was carrying him and
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this is I'm going to quote again
from something he said becausehe's going to say it better than me
this night.
It was cloudyand looked like it might rain.
I took special noticeof how everything was arranged.
I closed my pack sack. I did not undress.
I only took off my shoes,put them in the bottom of my sleeping bag.
I drove my prospecting pack
into one of the cypress treesso I could reach it from my bed.
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I also put the rifle alongside me insidemy sleeping bag.
I finally intended to stay awake all nightto find out who my visitor was.
But I must have fallen asleep.
I was awakened by something picking me up.
I was half asleep and at firstI did not remember where I was.
As I began to get my wits together,I remembered I was on this
prospecting trip and in my sleeping bag.
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After what seemed like an hour,I could feel
we were going up a steep hill.
I could feel myself rise for every step.
What was carrying me was breathing hardand sometimes gave a slight cough.
Now I knew
this must be one of the mountainSasquatch giants the Indian told me about.
So yeah,
he's being carried in his sleepsin his sleeping bag.
And this is one of the thingsI'm not going to reveal.
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Evidence. Oh, okay.
Yes. Well,at first he tries to get his knife out,
but he's kind of on top of his knifein the bag. He can't get it.
He has to be like, Oh, so it.
Exactly. Yeah, exactly like that.
And eventually he gets put downand he crawls out of his sleeping bag
and he sees a Bigfoot.
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And not just one.
He sees four, four of them.
And what he described them as like a momand a dad and two kids, a girl and a boy.
But they were. All this makes sense. Yes.
So it's a family of Bigfoot.
His family if Sasquatch.
I think he said the father was, like, overeight
feet tall, and even the kids were oversix or near seven.
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They were all very big.
And what was interesting to me about thisstory,
Allison, is that as soon as Osmangets out of his sleeping bag,
the Sasquatch just kind oflet him go around and he notices that
he's in this little valley surroundedby mountains with only one way in or out.
And he's wandering around.
He finds a little spring
to get some water,and he decides I'm going to make coffee.
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So he gets his coffee grounds.
Get to get it.
Says pot uses water, make some coffee.
And because remember,he has stuff in his sleeping bag.
So he actually has food and stuffwith them.
And he mentionsthat he never felt threatened.
He never felt like he was in danger.
But they wouldn't let him leavebecause at one point he tries to walk away
and the big dad comes in likeputs a hand on it, like pushes him back.
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So he felt like he couldn't leave, buthe felt like he was not in danger at all.
And he stayed about sixor seven days with these Bigfoot.
And he would cook food,he would make coffee,
and he had a thing with himcalled this snuff box.
I'm guessing you've never heard of this.
That sounds like somethingthat's carrying like sneeze.
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You're not far off.
Believe it or not.So snuff is made out of tobacco,
which is the plant that they usein Cigarets.
So when you see people smoking,they're smoking tobacco leaves,
but snuff, you don't smoke.
You put it in your mouthand you like suck on it.
Some people even likeput it in their nose,
depending on which kind itis, man, it's really gross.
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But that was very popular.
They didn't know.It's also very dangerous.
They didn't know how dangerous it was backthen.
So a lot of people did itbecause they just liked it.
So he had a snuff boxand he had showed it to that
young, the young boy Sasquatch,who took an interest in it.
And Osment had this idea that, hey,maybe if they get the snuff in their eyes
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or they breathe it weird,
they might sneeze or have troubleseeing and I can escape.
So he tries to make itlook really appetizing.
And this goes on.
I don't think he does this.
The last day I think he came upwith that idea before his last day.
So on the sixth day,he had made some coffee
and he brought one of the big foot overone of the big foot just came over
to see what they were doing.
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And he ate some foodand he went to get a snuff box out.
And the dad, when he called the dad,
grabbed the snuff boxand ate everything in it.
So all that gross tobacco the guy eats.
And Osment says he saw
the guy's like eyes roll back in his headand look like he's going to get sick.
And after some time, the Sasquatch grabbedthe coffeepot and drank all the coffee.
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So you have a combination of coffee,coffee grounds
and snuff,and the Sasquatch gets sick from this.
So Osment saidthat was my chance to leave.
So he grabbed a sleeping bag stuffin Iran.
And as he's running out of the valley,the the mom figure, the old
I think he called the old woman Sasquatchcomes running after him to stop him.
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And he took his rifleand he shot it over her head.
And it kind of scared her.And she turned around and ran off.
And he was able to escape.And he ran. And he ran.
And he ran until he found some loggers
who helped himand found a way out of out of the area.
Eventually, after
he was found the loggers and he was safeand he didn't tell anybody the story.
He didn't tell anybodyabout Sasquatch for a long time.
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And I should point outhe never used his rifle because
two reasons really,he never felt in danger
and he didn't think his rifle was
strong enoughto actually stop these creatures.
And if you shoot one,you may just make it mad.
So he did.
One. He's just going to be like,Oh, I'm mad.
Exactly. So he didn't want to do that.
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So why do you
think Alison, that if this story is true,
why do you think they wanted to keep himthere?
Probably to eat him
after days, nights and things?
So there's that's actually a good theory.
He said he never saw them eat meat becausehe was with them for seven days and all.
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They were like vegetablekind of things and roots and flowers.
So maybe they don't. See Bigfoot either.
So he claimed that he didn't see themeat meat, so I don't think he was food.
And also they were nice to him.
So I don't thinkthey were going to eat him.
He thought that maybe they wanted him
to get married to the young girlSasquatch.
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Your face. Right?
Classic face.
And looks very shocked, everybody.
Yeah, that's what he thought.
Which I think is ridiculous.
But that's what Osman saidin his own words.
I thought the daddy thinkswas only married.
Oh, no, not so.
It's the daddy, Bigfoot would be, quoteunquote, Sasquatch married.
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They.
But they had the girl,Sasquatch, the daughter.
So he thought he was being set upwith the daughter
to marry her.
Yeah, Although he didn't say married.
He just said sort of like, you know,
So. Yeah.
Allison, the story of AlbertUsman's encounter with Bigfoot has
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has been very captivating for decades now,
and I think most people don't believe him.
I actually do not believe him that it.
Might be them. Yeah,and that's good. A lot of people do.
A lot of people do believe him.
They claim that he was very consistentwhen he told the story for the years
that he did tell the story from like 1957to like the mid seventies.
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One question.
Yeah, was it in like a desert mountainor a mountain now then.
A mountain with a lot of trees.
So in British Columbia, it's like.
A lot of it's like I've heard of mountainsthat it's like a mountain
and then like, it's like a steep way downand there are some trees around it.
Yeah.
This would be a lot of treeson a mountain.
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And so it's very green, It's very lush.
The area there in BritishColumbia has very forest,
so there's a lot of good plants and lifeand there's a lot of bears in the area.
If I still have thisgame, it's like it's like
there's like a mountain
and there's like a sayingand you can be Bruce Beavers and wolves.
I wish they added an updateor it's like a Bigfoot.
(28:10):
And I would put the Bigfootright at the trees right in there.
Yeah, Yeah.
All right, perfect.
So one of the things I always thoughtwas hilarious about this story, Allison,
is that Osman claimed, not claimed,
but he estimated all the Bigfoot ages.
So, like, for, like, the daughter Bigfootand the young boy Bigfoot.
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He was like, Oh,the daughter's 14, 15, 16 years old.
And the boy. I can't remember what he said
about the boy, but like, 17, 18,something like that.
And to me, that always that alwaysjust seemed really ridiculous to me
because you can't like,
if you look at a gorilla,can you tell its age they're not humans.
It's hard to do.
But yet he was like,Oh, she's 15, 16 years old, I think.
(28:55):
Would you probably think
her moms are dads are
somewhere near 30 and 50 years old,
Somewhere near like like in between.
That would be like 40 and things.
Yeah.
Hey, Alison, that is a very good theory.
That is a very good theory.
(29:17):
Because I think the momwould be like some 40
and then the dad would be like 45 maybe.
Okay, okay. Let's see.
This is kind of what he was doing.
He was estimating their age ages and.
I like height,but I think my mom is just like one
(29:38):
because.
Because she's shorter, because she's tall.
Is she shorter? Tall. Short.
Yeah.
Mommy's pretty short,so I don't believe it.
I love thatyou believe this story, Alison,
because there are a lot of people,a lot of grown grown
ups don't believe his stories.
I just don't. I have my own reasonsfor not believing it.
I think it's a little bit corny.
(29:58):
I think it's a bit ridiculous of a story.
When I think of black folks,but I think of people saying
there's like a really smart gorillathat learned how to stand up, you.
Know.
And like that
and likethat gorilla knows how to stand up.
So the gorilla was standing up.
(30:19):
I just know how to stand up.Some people thought it was funny.
That's why it comes in different babies.
I believe in Bigfoot Brown.
Okay. So you think.
All right, all right.
So there's athere's different bits of theories
or evidence in terms ofif Bigfoot is real or not.
One thing I've seen lots of signs.
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No, that's a sign.
So one thing to keep in mind,
Allison, is there's never really beenconclusive evidence found
there are hardcore believersthat would disagree with me on that.
But, like, we've never found hairsthat have gone and gotten studied
at a science laboratory that they're like,Oh, this is an.
Unsolved looking for bigfoot.
I would pack like shotguns, turret,
(31:06):
all those things.
Just find to pack up turrets.
Yeah, pack up, pack up like rocks.
Two, four of them pack up now as well.
So it.
Sounds like you want to would you want to.
Attack them or wouldyou would just want to protect yourself?
I would want to protect myself.Yeah. Yeah.
That's if I actually had enough stuffto kill Bigfoot,
(31:29):
I would do that and then be like,
Guys makes us all right.
Yeah,
that's really interesting.
Allison. That's interesting.I think safety. I would.
I would think about thatbecause I'd be worried,
but I wouldn't be worriedthat they would come after me.
I would only be where they would.
Take him if they seen a picture, though,that was very fake.
(31:50):
It was like a big fat wearing a tutumask that he came behind me and I'm like,
What?
You ever see this
photo of Bigfoot?
And he's like,he's like walking like a human.
He's not like,all get Sasquatch pose names like Squatch.
(32:12):
He was.
He was just, like, walking, literally,like a normal person.
I was just black, a blurry thing.
And there was arrows shot from the back.
You really don't know.
And it was in the mountains.
And I feel like why don't they go inand call them mountains?
Wow. And that's definitely just a person.
(32:34):
I know it.
Like, good to person hands the feet or bag
the hand was person.
Yeah, it looks like a person.
And there's just one photoover the big foot.
Peeking behind the tree
is like red eyes and big sharp teeth.
(32:55):
And I'm like, What did people think?
Thinks, Let's a red eyes.
Well, it may just be camera or video
because that canyou can get reflection in the eyeballs.
So it may not be red eyes. It may.
Just I don't like cats and night.
Joey and creepy so creepy so
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there's a lot of tales of Bigfoot hollowsand there's so many tales of Bigfoot.
There's so many potential sightings.
There's again, people smell themand they're like,
Oh, that's going to be a Bigfootis it smells. GROSS.
There's all this stuff yetNo one's found anything conclusive.
No, it's found a body,No one's found bones.
No one's even found poop.
(33:36):
That's conclusively like,
Oh, this is a creature we don't knowbecause animals are pooping in the woods.
Probably if a Bigfoot poo, probablynobody went there
because they're like,Oh, that's a big fat. Oh.
So it's like they proved itand the poop is just gone.
(33:57):
And they're like, Oh, it smells stinky.
So they don't even go investigate it
because they're just like,Something stink is over there. Let's not.
Go. That is Bigfoot.
Allison, you've brought upsome really good points today.
You brought up good points about not allBigfoot are going to look the same.
You've brought up.
Maybe someone just smells poopand doesn't go over there.
It could be Bigfoot scat.
Yeah, Because then after days and daysand days, it's
(34:20):
gonna turnand it's going to go in the mud.
Yeah, that's rounds.
And then it's going to be like,
Oh, you don't smell that thingthat's right over there.
And then so that'sprobably how nobody's ever seen it.
Mm hmm.
So, so to go back to this Mr.
Osmond story than Allison.
So I'm curious.
So you believe his storythat he was kidnaped by Bigfoot, but yeah,
(34:41):
he was safe.
So my question.
Heard about that is, like,one of the tiny things
that kid Bigfoot was like, Oh, you know.
Oh, yeah.
Cooking like the cook.
And so do you thinkmaybe they kept him around for food?
Like, maybe they were. Like,he could be our personal chef.
Mathers would be like,I'm tired of vegetables.
(35:05):
Maybe I would rather eat some coffee
night. Maybe.
Maybe that's a better thoughtthan I've heard others have on this story.
Let's. That's really good.
Now, as much as I do not believe thisstory, Allison, I.
I actually thinkthat I would not be very shocked
if one day we found somethinglike a Bigfoot in the Pacific Northwest.
(35:29):
I'd be shocked.
Oh, you. Which. But it sounds like.
You wouldn't be shocked,because I've never.
I've seen some footprintsthat look like a Bigfoot
put foot print, but normallyit just seems a little bit tinier.
Well, that could be anything that.
Yeah, you know, may not be.
It may just be like, well, gorillasbasically have the same feet. Mm.
(35:53):
But not as big feet.
So they just been a gorilla.
Yeah.
And I have on a very kind of serious note,I actually don't like the,
I don't like footprints as evidence.
The Bigfoot stuff as they say.
We just like us to stay out.
(36:14):
Well, that it's. It's kinda creepy.
It kind of.
Yeah. Gets your heart scared.
Yeah, but if I saw somethinglike something running across
a tree to tree, I'd feel terrified.
Yeah, I would do. Yeah.
And it goes like that.
It was peeking behind bushes.
I mean, you need a Bigfoot drill,and you're going to see how good it looks.
(36:36):
It's like a Bigfoot peeking behind a tree.
I made it brown.
Uh huh.
Because I like Rufus.
A little brown eyes, red eyespeeking out of tree.
I put dark coloring everywhere,birch trees everywhere.
Nice.
So would you feel in dangerif you ever got kidnaped like this guy?
(36:57):
Would you feel.
I mean, I would be scared, but would youfeel like they're going to kill you?
Or would you feel like, Oh,they just want me to be their personal?
I think it would just be like
both because, you know, some they've set,
they're just like, killyou and leave you alone.
It's more like that.
But if I get kidnaped by a big fight,I'll be terrified.
(37:18):
I'd stay in my punching. In my.
Sleeping bag. Yes, in the bag.
And I'll be there.
Like who? Oh,
and what I would tend to dois try to, like, put like, a fake.
I mean, like. Oh, hello, Mr. Doll.
Put you in there, and they just run away.
(37:40):
And I'm like, Oh.
So you'd put a fake you in the sleeping?
Yeah. So it looks like you're in there.
Sneak out.
That's a good thought, Alison.
That is.
It's like I just feel like,
oh, if I bring pink coloring,I could be like, pink, pink, pink.
And then if.
And then I could turn into a little balland be like a worm,
and then I can be working out of the roomand out of my things,
(38:04):
like more men with rifles and things.
And then.
And then.
And then the fakeme would still be in there.
Yeah.
So, Alison, there is a famous storyabout some guys that escaped
a famous prison that everybody thoughtwas honest and unacceptable
by putting fake versions of themselvesin their bed and it's sneaking out.
(38:27):
So you as a six year old,I don't know if you've gotten the idea
from something else,but you just went across the same idea
these guys had that escapedfrom Alcatraz prison.
So that's fun. That's very fun.
You know, I've seen things like the show,I've real show.
It has been some open academy and
(38:52):
there's one,
the prison one and there's dogs.
They get captured and they're like, sneakin through the vents and they get out.
And and there's an ideaabout putting fake of them.
So yeah. That's where it's from. Yeah.
Yeah. Awesome.
All right.Do you have any final thoughts on Bigfoot?
It doesn't have to be about thisguy's story.
It could just be about Bigfoot in general.
(39:13):
What do you want us to know about Bigfoot?
Or what do you want to know about Bigfoot?
I have nothing. No.
You have nothing to.
Now, do know everything about Bigfoot now?
Sort of. Uh huh.
I didn't know everything.
Okay, So what kind of thoughts do you wantpeople to think about with Bigfoot?
I don't.
(39:33):
Know.
Okay, Well,thank you so much for coming on, Allison.
This was a lot of funto share this story with you
and get some of your insight insightsinto Bigfoot.
And. Yeah,do you want to come back on in the future?
Did you have fun?
You want to come back? It's okay.
Yeah. All right.
Can you tell everybody Bye bye.
(39:55):
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1924.
British Columbia, Canada.
A prospector days into an adventure
into the wildernessto look for a lost gold mine.
Claimed that he was kidnapedby a large, bipedal, hairy creature.
And then he spent almost a weekliving amongst a family of them.
The tale of Albert Osmondand his encounter
(00:23):
with Sasquatcheshas become the stuff of legend.
The story is both surreal,terrifying and humorous.
He never publicly spokeabout his experience
until the 1950s, right around the timethat the term Bigfoot
started to be used in the United States.
Tonight,I share this strange tale with my son,
(00:46):
a young childwho has become quite upset with Bigfoot.
And I am so proud and excited about that.
This is a study of strange.
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Welcome to a study of strange, everyone.
I am Michael May.
And today we're going to delveinto one of the most fascinating
(02:20):
Bigfoot stories of all time,the tale of Albert Osterman,
a man who in 1924 claimedhe was kidnaped by a sasquatch
and spent six days with an entire familyof Sasquatch before escaping.
And joining me is my Bigfoot specialist.
But Bigfoot scientist, the guy that knowsmore about Bigfoot than anybody.
(02:42):
My six year old son, Hollis. And
can you say hi? Hi.
First Hollis.
And I think it's a good question,which is how.
How did you first hear about Bigfoot?
Do you even know now?
Do you think it was video games?
No, Vin Probably videos.
(03:04):
Oh, videos like videos online.
So, like, what kind of videos?
What have you seen about Bigfoot?
I don't really know.
You know, I really never remember.
Well, there's one video I know you've seen
that's come up,and it's actually an old film.
It's the Patterson Jim Linn film.Oh, right.
Yeah. And you. So listen, everybody.
(03:25):
I think when he started to getinto Bigfoot, he would actually act out.
And you can actually imitate the walk.
The Bigfoot walk from the famous Pattersongamelan film, which was the story behind
that is these guys, they were actuallymaking a Bigfoot documentary.
So they actually went out with a cameraand they were trying to find it.
And after searching for a long time,
they found that Bigfootand they were only able to film
(03:47):
for that little bit of timebefore it wandered away.
If it was really a Bigfoot, because alot of people claim that that was a hoax.
Right? Yeah.
What do you believe?
Do you believe Bigfoot is real?
Sorta.
Yeah, sort of is actually a fantastic.
Answer from books. I've heard
(04:08):
Bigfoot.
Normally somebody dressed up to prankpeople
wants to live in the one man.
So the people want to live in the woodsor the Bigfoot wants to live in the woods.
The person who probably is dressed up
as a Bigfoot or a Bigfoot
would probably want to live in the woods.
(04:29):
Yeah.
Why all the sightings of Bigfootor somewhere near, like, a wooded area?
Yeah.
Do you think that they'realso in a wooded area?
Because there's not as many people
that live in wooded areas,so that's why they're kind of secretive.
Yeah,that makes a lot of sense to me, too.
And so Holliston herehas become quite a fan of Bigfoot stuff.
He really likes Bigfoot and you knowa lot about Bigfoot for a six year old.
(04:53):
Do you know that?
You don't remember when you first saw itor the type of videos?
But what really gotyou interested in Bigfoot?
Was it videos themselvesor was it also some video games?
Because there is a Sasquatch video gamethat you play?
All right. I really
probably the Sasquatch video game.
Mm hmm.
And what do you do in that?
(05:13):
You run around dragging your finger,and you're controlling the Sasquatch.
Yeah. And there's.And you're in a campsite,
and you have, like, a little house,and you can get, like, a dog.
You can get costumesand go in the city as a Bigfoot.
And you get jobs and stuff,and no one knows it's a Bigfoot, right?
(05:35):
Like, the other.
Stuff is the game.You're just spontaneous.
You go in the campsite,everybody's like, Oh, it's Laura.
So what do you know about Bigfoot?
Do you know what area of the countrythey live in?
I think I used to know that, but I forgot.
Oh, okay. Okay, That's.That's totally fair.
(05:55):
So I'll give you a little bit of history
of the Bigfoot real quickjust to kind of get you up to speed.
So Bigfoot is also known as Sasquatch.
Some people claim the difference,and people say they're the same
and they legends.
The lore of Bigfoot goes backcenturies and various indigenous cultures
in North America.
(06:16):
In many of these cultures have legendsof large, hairy humanoid creatures.
Humanoid means like human,but not really human.
And they live in the wildernessand they're bipedal.
So bipedal means they walk on two feet.
So if you think about a gorillaright there, when they actually walk, they
to put down their really strong arms too.
But I think about gorillas.
I normally think, Oh, interesting Bigfoot.
(06:38):
That walks differently.
Oh, that's really interesting.
Yeah. Yeah. And what, two feet?
That's right.
So you had the legend saythat this is a bipedal creature,
so walking upright like humans,and it's classified as encrypted.
And encrypted is.
It's an animalthat's not recognized by science,
(06:58):
so it means there's no definitive proofthat it exists.
However,a lot of people still believe in them.
And for the purposes of today's episode,I will intertwine the term Bigfoot
and Sasquatch just because I grew uphearing Bigfoot all the time.
So I mean, the same creaturewhen I say both of those.
And the term Bigfoot was firstused in the late 1950s, 1958, specifically
(07:22):
after a series of reportedsightings of this large
apelike creature in California,which is where we live.
But they were up farther north.
North.
Definitely up farther north.
Because if you just saw the big
four of them say, you'd be like, that'sdefinitely somebody dressed for Halloween.
Would they have a job in the city?
I think they should get a jobif they're in the city.
(07:42):
You know,you got to contribute to society somehow.
What would a Bigfoot do as a job?
Probably
something going around in office
delivering mail, creeping people.
Their job would be to create people.Or that they just happen.
Yeah. Yeah.
They'd be like unloading footwearand something like, That's great.
(08:09):
So yeah, in the in 1958,there was a logger
in Northern California named Jerry Crewwho found these footprints.
And they were really big,like too big to be a bear, he thought.
And they even made some plastercast of them in this kind of thing.
Yeah.
If people do that,would it be like the big foot?
Foot would get stuck in like mud? Yes.
(08:32):
Yes, that's exactly right.
And so they found all these Bigfoot.
It got written up in the local paper,in the Humboldt Times paper.
And then it spread.
It got picked up
by the big nationwide newspapers,and they started calling this the Bigfoot.
And that's where the term Bigfoot camefrom, is literally from big feet marks.
And that's why they started calling itBigfoot.
Now, years later,one of the coworkers of Jerry Crewe,
(08:56):
his family came forwardand said that their dad had made fake feet
made out of wood, thathe would push into the ground as a prank.
And they claim that'swhat started the big Bigfoot craze
and the sort of the modern daylegend of Bigfoot from this prank.
I knew it was people trying to prank.
(09:18):
Well, that may have happenedbecause some people don't
believe that story, but but it very wellmight have just been a prank.
And plus, it didn't make it out.
Would you?
Probably going to see, like,little things,
like it's not going to be perfectfor a big feat
if you made it out of wood, it's probablygoing to have like, little sharp things.
Yeah, no, it's definitely from one.
(09:40):
Oh, that's. Interesting.
Yeah.
Like sometimes wood can have, like,little sharp things that just come off.
Yeah, I do like that.
They're going to be like, Definitely.
Definitely.
Wood Now, historically in Canada,do you know where Canada is?
Alison No.
So Canada is a countryjust north of our country.
So if you went up like if you drovenorth to, you remember going to Morro.
(10:03):
Bay, California.
So if you just kept going up forlike another day, you would hit Canada.
And so they border our country just north.
So in Canadathey have a term called Sasquatch.
It's where Sasquatch comes from.
It's from the Challis Indigenous Peoplesof British Columbia, Canada.
And their original termwas more like Saskatoon or Saskatoon.
(10:25):
And we got like, people like methat can't pronounce things correctly.
It became Sasquatch.
And that's where that term comes from.
So since then, there have been thousandsof reported sightings of Bigfoot across
North America,particularly in the Pacific Northwest,
which is like Northern California, upthrough Oregon and Washington, Canada.
And many people have claimedto have seen something or heard something.
(10:49):
There's been countlessbooks and documentaries and other media
focused on the subject, including YouTubevideos that Alison's probably watched.
Now, despite the numerous reportedsightings, no
conclusive evidence of Bigfoot'sexistence has ever been found.
Skeptics arguethat the sightings are likely hoaxes
or misidentification of known animalslike bears.
(11:12):
But believers point out that there'sa consistency to the descriptions
and lack of any known animal that matchesthe creature's reported characteristics.
And today, Bigfoot remains
one of the most iconic cryptidsin North American folklore
and continues to fascinateand intrigue people around the world.
And there's similar creatureshave been so-called seen in other parts
(11:35):
of the world.
Like, can you think of onethat's like Bigfoot, but not Bigfoot.
It's somewhere else. I know you know one.
Now, what
if one had white fur instead of black?
What would that. Be?
Ready, Yeti, Do you knowwhere the Yeti supposedly lives?
No mountains.
So the Himalayan mountains,which is in Asia, that's where they have
(11:56):
this local legend of of Yeti,which is a similar type creature.
There's also the skunk ape down in Floridawhere I'm from.
Yeah. I don't know if you've heardabout this kind of cave.
It's like a it's like a bigfoot.
It's a Bigfoot.
Like Big Foot that looks like a skunk.
No, no.
This would be like,the funniest things that I've ever seen.
So one of the reasonswhy things like Skunk Ape comes up
(12:19):
is a lot of people that thinkthat they've seen or been around Bigfoot
is they say that it smells really badlyin in.
In sneaky Sasquatch.
Okay.
You're a captain in a boat.
It is one of the jobs. Yeah.
And then somebody comes onand they say, this
(12:41):
captain stinks.
So, yeah, that's where that comes from.Because people think.
It's, like. Smells bad.
Why doesn't it stinks?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Oh, that's why they're called gunk.
I think.
I think that's part of the skunkCape legend. I could be. Wrong.
Why are bigfoots different colorsand ways like some
(13:05):
that's like some brown, some black.
I think it depends on what imageyou see of a Bigfoot.
Because, remember, they might not be real.
So you're seeing people's imaginationof what they look like.
Or it could be different times of day.
And also it's normally it may just be like
some Bigfoot around, some mix.
(13:27):
That's what I was about to say.
Because we're humansand we all look different.
So not every Bigfoot may look the.
Same like some of the brown skin.
Some of us have lights. Exactly.
That's right.
So who says Bigfoot?
I'll have to look to say maybe there area lot of differences in Bigfoot.
That's why
they call that sort of human life.
(13:48):
That's very human, right?
Yeah.
And also, there's a coding game calledScratch Junior,
and I made mine a big foot, and I codedand then foot in the jungle.
And I think I'd find that'sI actually did like a woods area
where there's, like, little red eyesfrom the trees, the background.
And I covered the feet, big foot.
So I got likeI could have covered the tummy.
(14:11):
Yeah. It looks.
And I colored the skin.
Brown Yeah.
And I brown.
Cool. And I forgot your color the time.
This time it was yellow
and they put a farmer infor like what I would call adventure.
And I made a scene where the Bigfoot comesin and, like, returns.
Digg comes in and hugs it, and then, like,
(14:34):
he spins itand then do labs like this, he lands that.
I'm just like that.
Then I'd kill him. No. Yeah.
So do you want to heara real Bigfoot story in terms of.
It's a real story,but it may not have actually been real.
Okay, so I'm going to tell youthe story of Albert Osman.
(14:54):
And this took placeabout a hundred years ago,
and this is beforepeople were using the term Bigfoot.
What do you have those come out?
Well,UFOs have been around a long time, too.
That's a that's another.
We'll have to have you back onfor a UFO story.
I'll listen. And
so I got busy.
And I know about you fellas.
Yeah, I will. I will.
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There you go.
Well, you heard it here, listeners.
Keep subscribe tape and make sure you'relistening to the show.
And you can hear Hollison a future episode talking about UFOs.
All right, So,Albert Osman, I said, this is a guy
who experienced something in 1924,like I said, about a hundred years ago
or 99, but right around a hundred,
he was a Canadian prospectorand he did not
(15:39):
share this story for decades.
He didn't tell anybody about itbecause he thought people
would think he's crazy,or at least that's what he says.
He ended up telling the story to QueenElizabeth,
the queen of England, in 1959,because it was such a fascinating story.
Yeah, the queen heard this story.
So a queen would be like, Knight,
(16:02):
go out, tell this ape about this dude.
Well, apparentlythe queen was very interested in Bigfoot.
She was like you.
She had an interestin the story of Bigfoot.
I don't know if she believed in Bigfoot,but she liked the stories.
So the story goes house.
And then in 1924, this prospector,he prospectors, by the way, they're.
(16:23):
They're like miners.They're trying to find.
Miners that are, like,hunting for mounds of Bigfoot.
All like in that videowhere the well, they were finding
and they found the skullthere, like the future episodes more.
And then they said fake.Skull, fake skull.
No, I don't say it looks nothing.
I think I saw itin, like, a wall of wigs. Oh,
(16:46):
yeah.
And it had, like, a gun line through it.
Yeah.
So this he wasn't prospecting for bones.
I think he prospected for goldis what he was actually into.
But he was looking for like aI don't know, like a male.
And some say that because again
that's part some teleport. Yeah.
Some people think they teleportfrom other dimensions and stuff like that.
(17:08):
So big that No I can do that.
Yeah I agree with you.
I think that's just likeI think that's like they're fast.
People think they're just teleporting.Oh, maybe.
Yeah, they're so fast.What's in there too?
Maybe so.
Albert Osman Hollis.
And he was going on vacation,but his idea of a vacation
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was to go camp out, hike through the woodsand look for a lost goldmine.
That's what he wanted to do for fun.
Oh, they want to be rich.He wanted to be rich.
And he was going up to an area in the TobaInlet of British Columbia, Canada,
and he had what he called an old Indianguide, took him up to the inlet
(17:50):
and the guide told Osman a story of a manwho had been killed by a sasquatch,
and Osmandidn't know what a sasquatch was.
So he was like, What's what's a Sasquatch?
And here I'm going to read somethingfrom his own account to you
quoting, quoting Osman himself right now.
At the time,I had never heard of Sasquatch,
so I askedwhat kind of animal he called a Sasquatch.
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The Indians said they have hairall over their bodies,
but they are not animals.
They are people,big people living in the mountains.
My uncle saw the tracks of onethat were two feet long.
One old Indian saw one overeight feet tall.
I told the Indian I didn't believein their old fables about mountain giants.
It might have been some thousandsof years ago, but not nowadays.
(18:34):
The Indians said.
There may not be many,but they still exist.
So that's from one of his accountsof this story.
So he gets dropped off by this Indian,by what he called
the old Indian guide,and he hiked around a handful of days.
He was camping out.
He was climbing aroundlooking for this old man.
Oh, I know. Story You're telling me that.
(18:55):
Well, I think I think I've told youa little bit about this in the past,
but not all of it.
So he finally,after a number of days, finds
what he calls a good camp wherehe can like, really set a nice camp up.
You know, outside a good a camp in a caveso you can sit like a fire outside
and then you could have a sleepin a building like a tent.
(19:16):
You know, maybe. It's really green.
It's a that's a good call.
And I don't think he did that.
I think he was set upkind of near some trees.
But anyway, one morning after sleeping,he noticed some of his stuff
had been rummaged around,like something came
in, look through stuff,but nothing was stolen.
So he thought porky pie,where it was getting into his belongings.
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So he wanted to find out if it was reallyporcupines, if it was something else.
So one night he gets in a sleeping bagand he puts stuff in his sleeping bag
with them to keep it safe.
So he had cans of food,he had his rifle and his knife
all in the sleeping bag with them, whichdoesn't sound very comfortable to me.
Oh, he said that big,but he could pull out as.
Well and he'd see
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he thought it was a porcupine,but he still wanted his rifle for that.
I don't know. But he fell asleep
and he wanted to stay up.
But he fell asleep.
And then he woke up because somethingwas carrying him inside a sleeping bag.
So something picked up the sleeping bagwith all the stuff in it,
including him and was carrying him and
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this is I'm going to quote again
from something he said becausehe's going to say it better than me
this night.
It was cloudyand looked like it might rain.
I took special noticeof how everything was arranged.
I closed my pack sack. I did not undress.
I only took off my shoes,put them in the bottom of my sleeping bag.
I drove my prospecting pack
into one of the cypress treesso I could reach it from my bed.
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I also put the rifle alongside me insidemy sleeping bag.
I finally intended to stay awake all nightto find out who my visitor was.
But I must have fallen asleep.
I was awakened by something picking me up.
I was half asleep and at firstI did not remember where I was.
As I began to get my wits together,I remembered I was on this
prospecting trip and in my sleeping bag.
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After what seemed like an hour,I could feel
we were going up a steep hill.
I could feel myself rise for every step.
What was carrying me was breathing hardand sometimes gave a slight cough.
Now I knew
this must be one of the mountainSasquatch giants the Indian told me about.
So yeah,
he's being carried in his sleepsin his sleeping bag.
And this is one of the thingsI'm not going to reveal.
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Evidence. Oh, okay.
Yes. Well,at first he tries to get his knife out,
but he's kind of on top of his knifein the bag. He can't get it.
He has to be like, Oh, so it.
Exactly. Yeah, exactly like that.
And eventually he gets put downand he crawls out of his sleeping bag
and he sees a Bigfoot.
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And not just one.
He sees four, four of them.
And what he described them as like a momand a dad and two kids, a girl and a boy.
But they were. All this makes sense. Yes.
So it's a family of Bigfoot.
His family if Sasquatch.
I think he said the father was, like, overeight
feet tall, and even the kids were oversix or near seven.
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They were all very big.
And what was interesting to me about thisstory,
Allison, is that as soon as Osmangets out of his sleeping bag,
the Sasquatch just kind oflet him go around and he notices that
he's in this little valley surroundedby mountains with only one way in or out.
And he's wandering around.
He finds a little spring
to get some water,and he decides I'm going to make coffee.
(22:28):
So he gets his coffee grounds.
Get to get it.
Says pot uses water, make some coffee.
And because remember,he has stuff in his sleeping bag.
So he actually has food and stuffwith them.
And he mentionsthat he never felt threatened.
He never felt like he was in danger.
But they wouldn't let him leavebecause at one point he tries to walk away
and the big dad comes in likeputs a hand on it, like pushes him back.
(22:50):
So he felt like he couldn't leave, buthe felt like he was not in danger at all.
And he stayed about sixor seven days with these Bigfoot.
And he would cook food,he would make coffee,
and he had a thing with himcalled this snuff box.
I'm guessing you've never heard of this.
That sounds like somethingthat's carrying like sneeze.
(23:13):
You're not far off.
Believe it or not.So snuff is made out of tobacco,
which is the plant that they usein Cigarets.
So when you see people smoking,they're smoking tobacco leaves,
but snuff, you don't smoke.
You put it in your mouthand you like suck on it.
Some people even likeput it in their nose,
depending on which kind itis, man, it's really gross.
(23:34):
But that was very popular.
They didn't know.It's also very dangerous.
They didn't know how dangerous it was backthen.
So a lot of people did itbecause they just liked it.
So he had a snuff boxand he had showed it to that
young, the young boy Sasquatch,who took an interest in it.
And Osment had this idea that, hey,maybe if they get the snuff in their eyes
(23:54):
or they breathe it weird,
they might sneeze or have troubleseeing and I can escape.
So he tries to make itlook really appetizing.
And this goes on.
I don't think he does this.
The last day I think he came upwith that idea before his last day.
So on the sixth day,he had made some coffee
and he brought one of the big foot overone of the big foot just came over
to see what they were doing.
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And he ate some foodand he went to get a snuff box out.
And the dad, when he called the dad,
grabbed the snuff boxand ate everything in it.
So all that gross tobacco the guy eats.
And Osment says he saw
the guy's like eyes roll back in his headand look like he's going to get sick.
And after some time, the Sasquatch grabbedthe coffeepot and drank all the coffee.
(24:36):
So you have a combination of coffee,coffee grounds
and snuff,and the Sasquatch gets sick from this.
So Osment saidthat was my chance to leave.
So he grabbed a sleeping bag stuffin Iran.
And as he's running out of the valley,the the mom figure, the old
I think he called the old woman Sasquatchcomes running after him to stop him.
(24:57):
And he took his rifleand he shot it over her head.
And it kind of scared her.And she turned around and ran off.
And he was able to escape.And he ran. And he ran.
And he ran until he found some loggers
who helped himand found a way out of out of the area.
Eventually, after
he was found the loggers and he was safeand he didn't tell anybody the story.
He didn't tell anybodyabout Sasquatch for a long time.
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And I should point outhe never used his rifle because
two reasons really,he never felt in danger
and he didn't think his rifle was
strong enoughto actually stop these creatures.
And if you shoot one,you may just make it mad.
So he did.
One. He's just going to be like,Oh, I'm mad.
Exactly. So he didn't want to do that.
(25:40):
So why do you
think Alison, that if this story is true,
why do you think they wanted to keep himthere?
Probably to eat him
after days, nights and things?
So there's that's actually a good theory.
He said he never saw them eat meat becausehe was with them for seven days and all.
(26:00):
They were like vegetablekind of things and roots and flowers.
So maybe they don't. See Bigfoot either.
So he claimed that he didn't see themeat meat, so I don't think he was food.
And also they were nice to him.
So I don't thinkthey were going to eat him.
He thought that maybe they wanted him
to get married to the young girlSasquatch.
(26:22):
Your face. Right?
Classic face.
And looks very shocked, everybody.
Yeah, that's what he thought.
Which I think is ridiculous.
But that's what Osman saidin his own words.
I thought the daddy thinkswas only married.
Oh, no, not so.
It's the daddy, Bigfoot would be, quoteunquote, Sasquatch married.
(26:44):
They.
But they had the girl,Sasquatch, the daughter.
So he thought he was being set upwith the daughter
to marry her.
Yeah, Although he didn't say married.
He just said sort of like, you know,
So. Yeah.
Allison, the story of AlbertUsman's encounter with Bigfoot has
(27:04):
has been very captivating for decades now,
and I think most people don't believe him.
I actually do not believe him that it.
Might be them. Yeah,and that's good. A lot of people do.
A lot of people do believe him.
They claim that he was very consistentwhen he told the story for the years
that he did tell the story from like 1957to like the mid seventies.
(27:26):
One question.
Yeah, was it in like a desert mountainor a mountain now then.
A mountain with a lot of trees.
So in British Columbia, it's like.
A lot of it's like I've heard of mountainsthat it's like a mountain
and then like, it's like a steep way downand there are some trees around it.
Yeah.
This would be a lot of treeson a mountain.
(27:47):
And so it's very green, It's very lush.
The area there in BritishColumbia has very forest,
so there's a lot of good plants and lifeand there's a lot of bears in the area.
If I still have thisgame, it's like it's like
there's like a mountain
and there's like a sayingand you can be Bruce Beavers and wolves.
I wish they added an updateor it's like a Bigfoot.
(28:10):
And I would put the Bigfootright at the trees right in there.
Yeah, Yeah.
All right, perfect.
So one of the things I always thoughtwas hilarious about this story, Allison,
is that Osman claimed, not claimed,
but he estimated all the Bigfoot ages.
So, like, for, like, the daughter Bigfootand the young boy Bigfoot.
(28:32):
He was like, Oh,the daughter's 14, 15, 16 years old.
And the boy. I can't remember what he said
about the boy, but like, 17, 18,something like that.
And to me, that always that alwaysjust seemed really ridiculous to me
because you can't like,
if you look at a gorilla,can you tell its age they're not humans.
It's hard to do.
But yet he was like,Oh, she's 15, 16 years old, I think.
(28:55):
Would you probably think
her moms are dads are
somewhere near 30 and 50 years old,
Somewhere near like like in between.
That would be like 40 and things.
Yeah.
Hey, Alison, that is a very good theory.
That is a very good theory.
(29:17):
Because I think the momwould be like some 40
and then the dad would be like 45 maybe.
Okay, okay. Let's see.
This is kind of what he was doing.
He was estimating their age ages and.
I like height,but I think my mom is just like one
(29:38):
because.
Because she's shorter, because she's tall.
Is she shorter? Tall. Short.
Yeah.
Mommy's pretty short,so I don't believe it.
I love thatyou believe this story, Alison,
because there are a lot of people,a lot of grown grown
ups don't believe his stories.
I just don't. I have my own reasonsfor not believing it.
I think it's a little bit corny.
(29:58):
I think it's a bit ridiculous of a story.
When I think of black folks,but I think of people saying
there's like a really smart gorillathat learned how to stand up, you.
Know.
And like that
and likethat gorilla knows how to stand up.
So the gorilla was standing up.
(30:19):
I just know how to stand up.Some people thought it was funny.
That's why it comes in different babies.
I believe in Bigfoot Brown.
Okay. So you think.
All right, all right.
So there's athere's different bits of theories
or evidence in terms ofif Bigfoot is real or not.
One thing I've seen lots of signs.
(30:41):
No, that's a sign.
So one thing to keep in mind,
Allison, is there's never really beenconclusive evidence found
there are hardcore believersthat would disagree with me on that.
But, like, we've never found hairsthat have gone and gotten studied
at a science laboratory that they're like,Oh, this is an.
Unsolved looking for bigfoot.
I would pack like shotguns, turret,
(31:06):
all those things.
Just find to pack up turrets.
Yeah, pack up, pack up like rocks.
Two, four of them pack up now as well.
So it.
Sounds like you want to would you want to.
Attack them or wouldyou would just want to protect yourself?
I would want to protect myself.Yeah. Yeah.
That's if I actually had enough stuffto kill Bigfoot,
(31:29):
I would do that and then be like,
Guys makes us all right.
Yeah,
that's really interesting.
Allison. That's interesting.I think safety. I would.
I would think about thatbecause I'd be worried,
but I wouldn't be worriedthat they would come after me.
I would only be where they would.
Take him if they seen a picture, though,that was very fake.
(31:50):
It was like a big fat wearing a tutumask that he came behind me and I'm like,
What?
You ever see this
photo of Bigfoot?
And he's like,he's like walking like a human.
He's not like,all get Sasquatch pose names like Squatch.
(32:12):
He was.
He was just, like, walking, literally,like a normal person.
I was just black, a blurry thing.
And there was arrows shot from the back.
You really don't know.
And it was in the mountains.
And I feel like why don't they go inand call them mountains?
Wow. And that's definitely just a person.
(32:34):
I know it.
Like, good to person hands the feet or bag
the hand was person.
Yeah, it looks like a person.
And there's just one photoover the big foot.
Peeking behind the tree
is like red eyes and big sharp teeth.
(32:55):
And I'm like, What did people think?
Thinks, Let's a red eyes.
Well, it may just be camera or video
because that canyou can get reflection in the eyeballs.
So it may not be red eyes. It may.
Just I don't like cats and night.
Joey and creepy so creepy so
(33:15):
there's a lot of tales of Bigfoot hollowsand there's so many tales of Bigfoot.
There's so many potential sightings.
There's again, people smell themand they're like,
Oh, that's going to be a Bigfootis it smells. GROSS.
There's all this stuff yetNo one's found anything conclusive.
No, it's found a body,No one's found bones.
No one's even found poop.
(33:36):
That's conclusively like,
Oh, this is a creature we don't knowbecause animals are pooping in the woods.
Probably if a Bigfoot poo, probablynobody went there
because they're like,Oh, that's a big fat. Oh.
So it's like they proved itand the poop is just gone.
(33:57):
And they're like, Oh, it smells stinky.
So they don't even go investigate it
because they're just like,Something stink is over there. Let's not.
Go. That is Bigfoot.
Allison, you've brought upsome really good points today.
You brought up good points about not allBigfoot are going to look the same.
You've brought up.
Maybe someone just smells poopand doesn't go over there.
It could be Bigfoot scat.
Yeah, Because then after days and daysand days, it's
(34:20):
gonna turnand it's going to go in the mud.
Yeah, that's rounds.
And then it's going to be like,
Oh, you don't smell that thingthat's right over there.
And then so that'sprobably how nobody's ever seen it.
Mm hmm.
So, so to go back to this Mr.
Osmond story than Allison.
So I'm curious.
So you believe his storythat he was kidnaped by Bigfoot, but yeah,
(34:41):
he was safe.
So my question.
Heard about that is, like,one of the tiny things
that kid Bigfoot was like, Oh, you know.
Oh, yeah.
Cooking like the cook.
And so do you thinkmaybe they kept him around for food?
Like, maybe they were. Like,he could be our personal chef.
Mathers would be like,I'm tired of vegetables.
(35:05):
Maybe I would rather eat some coffee
night. Maybe.
Maybe that's a better thoughtthan I've heard others have on this story.
Let's. That's really good.
Now, as much as I do not believe thisstory, Allison, I.
I actually thinkthat I would not be very shocked
if one day we found somethinglike a Bigfoot in the Pacific Northwest.
(35:29):
I'd be shocked.
Oh, you. Which. But it sounds like.
You wouldn't be shocked,because I've never.
I've seen some footprintsthat look like a Bigfoot
put foot print, but normallyit just seems a little bit tinier.
Well, that could be anything that.
Yeah, you know, may not be.
It may just be like, well, gorillasbasically have the same feet. Mm.
(35:53):
But not as big feet.
So they just been a gorilla.
Yeah.
And I have on a very kind of serious note,I actually don't like the,
I don't like footprints as evidence.
The Bigfoot stuff as they say.
We just like us to stay out.
(36:14):
Well, that it's. It's kinda creepy.
It kind of.
Yeah. Gets your heart scared.
Yeah, but if I saw somethinglike something running across
a tree to tree, I'd feel terrified.
Yeah, I would do. Yeah.
And it goes like that.
It was peeking behind bushes.
I mean, you need a Bigfoot drill,and you're going to see how good it looks.
(36:36):
It's like a Bigfoot peeking behind a tree.
I made it brown.
Uh huh.
Because I like Rufus.
A little brown eyes, red eyespeeking out of tree.
I put dark coloring everywhere,birch trees everywhere.
Nice.
So would you feel in dangerif you ever got kidnaped like this guy?
(36:57):
Would you feel.
I mean, I would be scared, but would youfeel like they're going to kill you?
Or would you feel like, Oh,they just want me to be their personal?
I think it would just be like
both because, you know, some they've set,
they're just like, killyou and leave you alone.
It's more like that.
But if I get kidnaped by a big fight,I'll be terrified.
(37:18):
I'd stay in my punching. In my.
Sleeping bag. Yes, in the bag.
And I'll be there.
Like who? Oh,
and what I would tend to dois try to, like, put like, a fake.
I mean, like. Oh, hello, Mr. Doll.
Put you in there, and they just run away.
(37:40):
And I'm like, Oh.
So you'd put a fake you in the sleeping?
Yeah. So it looks like you're in there.
Sneak out.
That's a good thought, Alison.
That is.
It's like I just feel like,
oh, if I bring pink coloring,I could be like, pink, pink, pink.
And then if.
And then I could turn into a little balland be like a worm,
and then I can be working out of the roomand out of my things,
(38:04):
like more men with rifles and things.
And then.
And then.
And then the fakeme would still be in there.
Yeah.
So, Alison, there is a famous storyabout some guys that escaped
a famous prison that everybody thoughtwas honest and unacceptable
by putting fake versions of themselvesin their bed and it's sneaking out.
(38:27):
So you as a six year old,I don't know if you've gotten the idea
from something else,but you just went across the same idea
these guys had that escapedfrom Alcatraz prison.
So that's fun. That's very fun.
You know, I've seen things like the show,I've real show.
It has been some open academy and
(38:52):
there's one,
the prison one and there's dogs.
They get captured and they're like, sneakin through the vents and they get out.
And and there's an ideaabout putting fake of them.
So yeah. That's where it's from. Yeah.
Yeah. Awesome.
All right.Do you have any final thoughts on Bigfoot?
It doesn't have to be about thisguy's story.
It could just be about Bigfoot in general.
(39:13):
What do you want us to know about Bigfoot?
Or what do you want to know about Bigfoot?
I have nothing. No.
You have nothing to.
Now, do know everything about Bigfoot now?
Sort of. Uh huh.
I didn't know everything.
Okay, So what kind of thoughts do you wantpeople to think about with Bigfoot?
I don't.
(39:33):
Know.
Okay, Well,thank you so much for coming on, Allison.
This was a lot of funto share this story with you
and get some of your insight insightsinto Bigfoot.
And. Yeah,do you want to come back on in the future?
Did you have fun?
You want to come back? It's okay.
Yeah. All right.
Can you tell everybody Bye bye.
(39:55):
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