Ep 60: The Age of Practice - Syntax, Dual Realities, Speaking from the Heart, and Cultivating Consciousness in a Divided World - Future Chi

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Welcome to the Future Chia Podcast. I'm Leon Fitzpatrick. And I'm Jos Stoa.
And we'll be talking about everything from Taoism to design to traditional Chinese
medicine and everything in between.
And we talk about how to make purpose out of life and life out of purpose, whatever that means.
Join us for our next amazing adventure into the unknown.

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Is it hot up there yeah yeah oh like 35 here yeah i like it yeah it's a bit
disorienting though because usually when it's this warm it's already like end of spring or summer.
So it's weird to have this temperature, but with the light still the same as
a winter light or a spring light. So it's kind of, it'd be really strange the past couple of days.

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Cause usually it's, yeah, the sun's in a different position usually when it's
this hot. So it's kind of odd.
It's an odd feeling. It's not the only weird thing. That's probably the most
normal thing that's happening right now. Yeah.
That's the way that's the least to worry about. Yeah.
In that regard, because there's a lot of, I mean, there's nothing to worry about
anyway, because I mean, I can see so many good things arising now,

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but it's definitely what I can see in clinic.
If you're definitely moving into a, into split reality,
like I was listening to an interesting podcast with Federico Fagan,
the famous physicist who developed the touchscreen.
Screen he invented the touch screen so it's one of

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the big names and he was actually
because a touch screen is a very quite a
critical sort of thing to
do yeah because if you got your phone and you have the gloves on it doesn't
work yeah so let me rise it well it's there's two different types right there's

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the resistive touch which actually requires it's just pressure and then And
there's capacitive, which is what we use now,
which actually requires a small electrical signal,
which is why it only works if you're touching it with a bare skin or a certain type of material.
But it is an interesting thing, right? It's sort of, you kind of need to be human to use it, I guess.

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At the same time, you have to be human, but he led him on the journey to identify,
to research what is actually consciousness.
I didn't expect that. Yeah, that's an interesting development as a result of
that, because he realized that it actually, in order to do that touchscreen
and the microprocessors that is also invented by him,
requires an input signal that somehow is connected to something that is alive.

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Right. Yeah. Yeah, and that signal, if that is generated by something that is
not alive, but has got the same amplitude, then it's not doing the same action on the screen.
Yeah. So it needs to be connected to something that is alive.
And obviously that made him then think about, okay, and the quantum physicist,

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he's got his beard thin, quantum physics, he started to explore,
okay, what is then fundamental to reality?
And then, as someone who was completely influenced by the model of the materialistic
view, he more and more speculated that actually fundamental to everything is consciousness.

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But that then, at the same time, he tried to identify what in fact is consciousness.
And that led him then, with his enormous understanding of how computers work
and his intricate understanding of quantum mechanics, he went on a journey.
Money, but then it didn't take him anywhere.
And then about 25, 26 years ago, he had, after getting billions of dollars from

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the company that offered that invention that he had for them to use it.
So he had achieved everything in the material, but wasn't in fact happy.
And because he lived in the future and not in the moment. And he lived in creation
rather than actually experiencing right now. Right. And being fulfilled with the moment.

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So then one night he had a spiritual awakening and that's through everything.
So where a big fat light came through to him and a big, like a soul awakening.
Right. An interesting thing is that at the same time I listened to a podcast by Bashar.
Yeah. Yeah, very interesting. Yeah, that was it.
You know, because he was speaking about that extraterrestrials actually passing

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on information about their technology to us via physicists.
You're right. Yeah. And he described something like how they're descending into
the consciousness of those targeted beings, the physicists in that regard,
with their light beings, with their light bodies. Yeah.

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And then merge with them via consciousness and then allow information to be
transmitted into them that allows them to give an understanding about certain technologies.
Right. So he basically saying that already the ETs are working with us with
this massive gain in technology.
Yeah. And then you listen to Federico Faggin, who is talking about similar sort of experiences.

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However, with him, it took him on a totally different spin. Yeah, yes.
And he took him to India, and he studied under the masters, and he studied under
the yogis, and he studied, et cetera.
So he got right into the consciousness. What is consciousness?
Yeah. So he then more and more and more identified that fundamental to everything
that actually is measurable is, in fact, consciousness.

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Yeah. And then he started quoting the Tao.
When was this? Is it 70s when he did his stuff?
No, that podcast is on Know Thyself. That was last week.
Okay. But when he did his research or when he did the work on the touchscreen
originally, that was quite a while. Oh, that was in the 90s,

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yeah. The 90s, yeah. Yeah, probably before.
I'd say before. Because I remember that the touchscreen came through synthesizers
first before it came into the synthesizer by using like quark.
Was using it, and a few other synthesizers were using it in the 90s.
And before it became, obviously, the grounds for what Steve Jobs was doing with his iPhone. Yeah.

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So we are, and an interesting comment he made,
and I really like that idea because he's probably one of the most advanced in
terms of applying quantum physics understanding in terms of producing a product,
and also understanding the theory of quantum mechanics in the sense of where
actually can you make it useful for you rather than having ideas. Yeah.

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Getting stranded by or going loose by the idea.
And he says that we are now, this is now the age of change and we make the age
of choice where we have to make a choice, where we belong.
Do we belong to the
machines or do we belong to the

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soul yeah so are we are
a machine or are we are a
soul and that's sort of like in
many ways it's pretty much like what we are now observing yeah
it's like this sort of like the separation between
those who don't operate from
the heart heart and more into ideas and

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others and others how
that's operating purely from the heart yeah and and
so that's a different way of looking at what we're
experiencing now in this world yes yeah i mean that
that pasha one was that the one that was on next level soul
the most recent one yeah yeah yeah the most recent yeah yeah that
was that one had that had so many different things in it that i had to like

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you know a lot of those podcasts you have to listen to it multiple times because
yeah yeah yeah i have to lose those in these like and you think you get it but
then you're like no it's like there's about 30 things that i want to hear about
again but but he did say well lots of things were interesting in that one but one thing he said was.
That spirituality and technology actually were going to be much more similar in the future
well that would sort of combine which i always thought you know technology is

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a tool and spirituality is purely you know bio-organic but the way he described
is that would become They would kind of melt together.
That would be very... Our experience of those things would be...
They would be joined in the future. There would be much more of a similar experience, maybe. Yes.
But the other thing that he said... Well, I was a bunch, right? But it was...

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Different realities that you said that spiritual machine you know
that which way are we going and he
he made that call like there's a split a very split happening it's
choosing what side of that reality you want to be at some point
soon and i'd argue and you know it's already
happening i think it's already happened i remember us talking about this i don't
know what episode maybe last year about you know being on a boat and getting

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on the boat and kind of going off you know and if at the moment the boats are
kind of next to each other then maybe you know they might be going along together
so we feel like we're going we're all together in a in this,
whatever reality but it seems you know as we go
along the boats are getting further and further apart so we still see each
other but we're no we're no longer able to walk across the water and talk to

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the next person because there's a big gap there and it doesn't even right now
they're splitting further and further apart and that's why he was describing
it that it's very soon they'll be like you're going to be able to see or hear
or interact with certain people because they have chosen or they're going off
in such a different direction or a different reality
that they may as well be in another level of existence so you
know it's it's that that made so much sense to me and then

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when the past the week after that happened with all the stuff in the u.s politics
and and just everyone's it feels like everyone's whatever you're holding on
to at the moment is the way it's taking you somewhere like we've all got a compass
or whatever it is and what we're holding on to is now leading us into another
path and that's kind of almost like the split's happened already.
It's now becoming more apparent but maybe it did happen a while ago or it's

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just now becoming amplified.
And the more I think about that, the more I notice what I notice now happening
in the world makes more and more sense.
So instead of getting frustrated that can't you see what's happening?
Everyone's like, ah, look at this. It seems like there's no real need to do
that anymore because it's.
A few people might hear and they might crisscross in different directions,
but there's a Latin saying, alia acta est, right?

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The die is cast, it's been rolled, and now it's happened, and now here we are,
headed off in these realities.
So the split happened, and then it's, I don't think there's even need to make sense of that.
Making sense of something anymore also seems to be a silly way to put it.
It's now, I don't know, is it embracing the boat you're on? What do we do with that?

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Yeah, it's a critical situation because I am a social person.
I meet a lot of people and I'm surrounded by people who really quite enjoy their company. Yeah.
But it's also very obvious to me that American politics is a definite definition,
the vision of something that is sort of like acceptor and the other completely doesn't make any sense.

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Exactly. Yeah. It's weird, isn't it? To me, it's
actually more more meaningful than what it appears to be like it's
not just you know it actually has a representation of other things where for
a lot of people it seems to be it's the issues it's all about the issues and
you know here's my talking point in my issue and here's your talking in your
issue but i don't see it like that i see there's something else beneath that

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yeah for me it's just like so when i meet someone i really like and they're,
And they're telling me that Camilla Harris will change the world.
Well, yeah, and she will.
That's true. It's difficult. It's difficult to get a grant.
Yeah. At the same time, we've seen on X how she was arguing the point that Facebook

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is tolerated, but X has to be eliminated.
Yeah. Because they obviously send up Facebook.
Yeah. But they can't send the X. so and
that this is we need to change that and stop that so
if you have someone like that saying that openly how would you vote
for that that doesn't make any sense to me yeah that turns him into a crook

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though he's a villain now you know elon musk is a bad guy that's what the narrative
has become so therefore he should be censored and turned down and punished for
and allowing what he's doing which is apparently hate speech and it's hilarious
right because Because you go on X and it's all this stuff,
but it's, you know, it's not, it's, it's one of the narrative fits.
Like, the reason why he gets attacked so much is he hasn't given a backdoor

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or he hasn't been manipulated by, you know, administrations.
Whereas Mark Zuckerberg handed over the keys to everything, said,
okay, censor everything, go for it. Like, come on in.
And they left him, then let him do whatever he wanted to do, sort of.
I compliment, yeah, I compliment Tom and me at open debates. Yeah.
Yes. So, okay. I was in my friend's circle. There was some people believe this,

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the other person believe the other.
So, I want to hear your opinion.
Yeah. And we could sort it out, but now it's not possible.
Yeah. Yeah. If there is someone from the opposite viewpoint,
and because it has so now moved it away from the center that it's impossible

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almost to get a common ground.
Yeah. Yeah. It's just like, so what do we do instead?
And that's what I like Federico Fagan's command in that regard is that it's the edge of choice.
So, where do you belong? Do you belong to the, are you the soul or are you the machine?

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And what he means with that is, when I listen further into it,
that when the machine is, you know, you give into the narrative that comes from
an external soul that is not derived from within, whereas the guidance needs to come from within.
So, he explained it from his perspective as a quantum physicist,
which he referred to the tau on a frequent basis, so there's a correlating field in that regard.

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And he said the quantum field is the field of probabilities,
where that what is measured is the exact reality that is, but it's dependent
on the quantum field, which is the probability.
And in this measured reality, that's where you have data, that's where you have
politics, that's where you have opinions, and that's where you have all these

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sort of beliefs that entangle you in emotionality.
And that's exactly in line with
the Tao was that the Tao you call the eternal Tao is not the true Tao.
And that you, because once you call it something, you have taken a side and
that means you actually are getting emotionally entangled with something and

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that will always move you towards a pathology.
And therefore, the aim is to be in that, in the Tao, which is,
from translating that into the quantum physics perspective, the quantum field,
the field of probability.
Yeah. And that means everything is possible.
Yeah. And that means, I mean, I'm there where alchemy starts,

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not just one chemical, but all chemicals.
I'm in a situation where I have meaning rather than a word.
And that's exactly what we see now with this drift that people are trapped in
using words but they are lacking the meaning.

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Yeah, and that's when, obviously, when I meet someone I really like,
and we've got a common ground in terms of what we can feel, we've got a heartfelt connection.
But when it comes into the political debate, where they're taken aside,
in that moment, you can see that person is taking on a word, not a meaning. Yeah.
So it becomes a concept, because there's actually no meaning behind what it actually means. Yeah.

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That makes it very difficult, certainly. so it's almost like you got that heartfelt
connection and suddenly boom you're outside,
yeah it happens pretty quickly i've had that happen quite a bit it's sort of
a it's not a conversation stopper but it is a it does stop it does stop the
energy i guess you could say it's an abrupt shift to where you're suddenly like
well you just you're right actually it's um,

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when you have a good conversation with someone the words aren't the
most important you know it's the inference of what the words mean and
the feeling you get from someone when you're talking to them because you can
tell pretty quickly if you're going to on the same wavelength or you know it's
it's the further along i get the easier it is to under to get a sense from people
about if you're on the same page whatever the right word is i don't think that's

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the right term but worth having a connection with but then sometimes it's when you see people who just,
i've had conversations with people and within minutes they've mentioned like.
Five it it terms that it feel like it'd feel like a social media post you know
it's like a the patriarchy the importance of vaccination this and that within
like a breath i'm like how did you even come up with how did you even put that

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in a sentence it's like you've been practicing you know like fill in the blanks
like i need to say this out loud so that people understand that i'm,
you know on the on the certain side it's about waving your flag and showing what side you're on,
and i think the issue with a lot of that is it's when you think you're on the
right side like a lot of people do they immediately almost bulldoze that way

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in like just to see what your reaction is like you know i just make sure you
agree with me on on good who the good guys are,
like uh like a little order and i think you know
everyone has their own way of testing to see if how people are going to
react to something we'll see what you mentioned but it is a very odd way to
communicate and like you said when i when that happens to me i see yeah you

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see words floating around but you don't see any meaning behind them like you
know programming languages like the syntax the syntax is the meaning behind
the the what you see on the screen and when that doesn't work properly,
computer programs break down.
There's a syntax error. It doesn't understand what's happening.
All it becomes then is you've got a visual, a screen full of words or images,
but there's nothing happening behind it.
So it's like it's no longer computing anything. It's no longer producing anything.

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It's no longer solving any issues. It's just generating random images and words.
It doesn't actually have a purpose.
So when those things happen, when everyone starts repeating words,
empty words or talking points or something they just read five minutes ago.
You're right. There's an emptiness to that. There's no spirit.
There's no soul behind that. There's no, I don't know. It's not something you can hold on to.

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And at that point you can, you
can just, you might as well just talk to somebody, talk to a trash bin.
I don't know, because you're going to have a more in-depth conversation with
a tree probably. I mean, for sure, actually.
We just had an interesting discussion with my partner who's been doing a lot
of work with animal communication.
So there was a really interesting documentary. Someone sent
me a link to probably a 10 or 15 year old documentary it's

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about a a medium or a person who talks
to animals or cats particularly when they do it that
it's on non-verbal they exchange imagery and
that imagery translates into words so the person
sort of mentally asked the animal a question the animal presents a
bunch of information and the person then translates what the animal said so
there's one who was a panther or a leopard really a

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rare black leopard in a zoo in south africa had been rescued from you
know a zoo or somewhere was treated really badly and
it had it was had a large enclosure was living
in but it was it would stay confined to one little hut wouldn't go
outside it was very angry and very edgy wouldn't let
people approach and they didn't know what to do it wasn't eating properly
it wasn't engaging it wasn't recovering so they got this communicator in

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and there's a video of it and the communicator sitting there and
immediately connects with the animal and says all
right and the animal first says my name is they call me
Diablo that's the name of the cat right and I don't
like that name it's like I don't like that name that's a bad that's a
evil that's a bad connotation that means devil I don't like
that change my name and he says I'm still I'm still a proud animal I'm still

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you have to understand that I'm powerful and proud and I don't want to be talked
down to but also need to be let left alone and let to do my own thing and then
it said it was concerned about two small cubs that were next to his enclosure
when he was in the zoo and what happened to them like he was worried about their well-being.
So he kind of went on and said, I like different kind of things.
So the communicator was telling this to the park ranger around the park,

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and you could see he was completely skeptical.
He's like, no, this is ridiculous. There's no way this is real.
And then later on, it turns out they went and found where the zoo that animal
came from. There were two cubs next to him in the cage, and they found out about it.
And they came back, and he then explained to this cat what had happened.
And immediately, there was a connection and a response, like a sort of a nod.
There was an immediate, like, understand each other now.

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And then it changed completely. So there was this nonverbal communication that's happening.
But then the words were coming through as English. So, yeah,
my partner has been doing this lately and had a session yesterday.
She had a list of different animals to talk to. one was our cat that we have
here at home called miso and they sort of said hey do you like it here do you
like us is there anything you want to do differently do you like what kind of
food do you like and she had answers for everything she's like yeah i like the

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chicken and the fish yeah and i would like to have some nice calming oils so
i can smell because it calmed me down and
like hey what do you you can't bite our ankles sometimes what do you bite our
ankles and she's like well it's a bit of trauma i've had from my previous experience
but i'm working through it it's okay like yeah it's very and she was doing through
a medium who's in spain who's who saw the picture of the cat and sort of was
actually closing this loop together.

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And it's really funny. She's extremely intelligent and it's very clear about
days of the week and foods and all sorts of things.
So this idea that we might talk to her and you don't get a direct response,
but she's understanding everything we're saying.
And she's understanding what the food is and understanding places in the house
and things she likes and doesn't like.
And somehow able non-verbally or with images to be able to bridge that gap, to me, it's astounding.

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It makes perfect sense, but it's so hard to get my head around,
too, that there's this language.
It does not just mean the words and the meaning behind the words,
but there's so many other ways to do that, like telepathic or whatever it might be.
But the fact that they're also very relaxed and not worried too much about,
when we're so worried, is she happy?
Is she this and that? She's like, yeah, it's fine, don't worry about it,

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but maybe change this around or move my water over.
It's just really incredible. It's a really eye-opening experience about.
You think about nature and everything we do and say and words we have and energy
we produce has an effect on everything and then vice versa.
So nothing is taken for granted. It's incredible.

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Yeah, that's exactly what I think what it's about. It's about the age of choice.
Do you come from a point of your heart, your soul and meaning or do you get entangled in the word?
Yeah. And that's exactly what we see now.
Like, it's just so much entanglement in the word without you actually not going

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to the meaning of it. Yeah.
And this is what I like Federico Pagan's view on that.
He said, as everything in life, you need a platform, and that platform needs to be developed.
Yeah. So just making the choice of having a, operating from a point of heart
and soul and meaning as opposed to the word and machine and instructions,

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which is the measured reality as opposed to the probability aspect.
So in order to do that, you obviously need to actually develop that platform.
And that's exactly how the Taoists say that our job here in this world is to
develop a perceiving agent.
So, if you don't develop a perceiving agent and you cultivate it in line with

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Tao, you eventually will become
a subject of the acquired self and will therefore get entangled in the,
measured reality or the external reality or the word.
And you then become a part of the construct of the word and having lost the meaning of it.
And that is why the Tao is considered as the mind, the evil of Tao.

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And so that means it's the true Tao is that where we are in that spectrum of probabilities.
And means we allow for everything to occur and we are therefore at that moment become a creator.
But if we don't cultivate that platform, then that means we are the measured

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end and that is always the victim.
And that means we have now opinions.
Speculations and whatever, but we're not in a real factor.
So that means, and for some reason, we just see this now really in our face.
Yes. It's never before. Yeah.

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And Federico said a really interesting point.
He said, until a few years ago, people were still connected to the deeper reality,
which is the quantum field in his words choice.
Always, which is people were more prone to act from a point of heart rather

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than actually analysis and the word,
and therefore more involved in meaning rather than in construct.
And the last few years with that lifestyle that we're having that is so removed from nature,
as a result of that is we got to be getting everything now sort of entangled

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in the word, which is why it's now becomes like a very delicate aspect of meeting people.
Yeah. Yeah. So you have to be really careful of what to say,
because you don't know what that person is if they have a certain belief about

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a word, and if you say the wrong word, bang,
it gets venomous and religious. Yeah. Yeah.
And the poster, where it comes from a point of meaning, you just say,
oh yeah, that's interesting.
Why do you believe this? Why do you see this like that? No, it doesn't happen anymore.
Yeah. It's just, I had a really interesting conversation today over lunch with Yoav.

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Yoav is Israeli. He runs the barber kitchen here, he's from Israel.
And so he brought up the topic of October 7th last year because he said he's
going to Israel tomorrow and he brought up the topic about that it's now nearly
a year. Yeah, it's hard to believe actually.

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And so obviously he's an Israeli, so obviously he brought the topic up and so
I immediately just obviously, okay, let's talk.
Yeah. Yeah, I want to hear you.
And so he had quite a few. He had a few friends he lost. They got shot at that Nova Festival.

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And he also had a good friend who got bathed and tortured and raped and killed.
But he also talked about people who survived it, who spent like 12 hours pretending
to be dead or hiding under the toilets and being surrounded by dead bodies while
the shootings were going up above his head.
And so of course my first question is so how do you feel when you meet a pro-Hummers

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protester at Queenstown University and.
And he said, in his words, I want to understand why they feel like that.
I want to understand what makes the person do this.
I want to understand what makes people act in a certain way.
So in that moment when we talked, I could feel there was no anger.
There was no terms of vengeance.

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There was no like, I'm angry. It was just purely okay.
Okay, we need to come to the bottom of this, not by taking a position in the
world, but by actually connecting by the heart to the situation and actually
looking at where we're not getting tangled in the world.
Because, I mean, you can't get over it about this gay for God movement.

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Ah, yeah. That one's a bit confused. Yeah.
He said a friend of him is an Arab who lives in Israel and was gay.
And because he lives in Israel, because that's the only place he can be. Yeah. That's right.
Yes. And so, obviously, he was obviously, as an Israeli, he was completely shocked

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that it happened to Gai. Yeah.
But instead of like him and his friends who actually lost people at that Nova festival. Yeah.
He's not going in there with anger. He's going in there. Okay.
Okay, how can we feel this? Yeah. Because we can't analyze it.
If I meet someone, a pro-Hammaz protester in Queenstown University who has never

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been outside Australia, who had an emotional upbringing.
And who then looks at, takes a side, he wants to know what's actually, what's really going on.
So I can see talking to people like that who are really badly affected by this,
that they are also opening up and say, okay, we can't just continue the path

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of retaliation, nor can we continue the path of arguing,
nor can we continue the path of talking, because it's something else going on.
And I think this is where I think that fits in with what Federico tries to say,
that we are now experiencing the age of choice. Do I go in towards my soul or

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do I go in and go into the word?
That means now I've got emotions, I've got entanglement, I've got a wall. Yeah.
If I go in for the word and not for the meaning, I will have a wall. Yeah.
And so maybe the age, what we're experiencing now is, because like,

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for example, we've got a barbecue tomorrow and because we got a lot of like
separation happening here in this most tranquil place in Australia,
where some people see American politics, if it moves in that specific direction,
it will save the world while the other people believe it's the other way and
they're venomously attacking each other already. They're not even in America.

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Yeah, but also both sides are going to have the same, yeah, I think their side
is the one that's going to save everything.
So that's where it becomes confusing because you can actually probably have
the same conversation for a little while before you realize that you're on completely
different sides, right?
So I'm dreading going there tomorrow because I like the people,
but I know certain things I can't say.

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Just wear a t-shirt. Just put like on the stuff on there, like,
you know, don't talk to me about this or this is what I think.
So therefore they can come up to you or not or make the t-shirt.
I'm a trump harris team trump harris And we can mix together what's blue and red purple.
So it's purple. So it's a mixture of blue and red Yeah trump slash harris 2024. Yeah,

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Yeah.
It's insane what's happening Yeah. And so how can someone you really like suddenly
gone away certain things? I never had that.
I started debating politically as a young boy when I was 10 years old.

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I questioned everything.
I questioned the religious class. I questioned Jesus walking on water.
I wanted to know how he did it. And the religious teacher wasn't quite keen
on that, but allowed me to debate it. And it continued and continued.
So I always was debating. I always was looking at what's the other side.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the actual, what actually happened? Yeah.

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Yeah. But it never was like an issue where it just got venomous or toxic, but now it is.
And so it's like, so you make sure not to talk about certain topics anymore? Is that the way forward?
I mean, is that really what it's required?

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Or is it like going with a totally different perceiving agent, as the Taoist would say?
Yeah what is the denzel washington quote and
i don't know if he was quoting someone else when he said this
but it was a video i saw of him a while ago it's quite very really interesting
when you hear him talk especially it's nothing not not
an interview about a movie when you just hear him talk about how he

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sees the world but he said it's like small minds talk
about people average minds talk about events and
great minds talk about ideas so it's like it
seems like the the go-to now is when you talk to anyone
normal it's always like a you know the what the mainstream stream has in common
which is u.s politics and the weather or whatever there's always these things
people just go to immediately to talk about and usually they're very low low

(34:12):
rung things right so what everyone thinks everyone else knows about or or can
talk about so it's like so that's like.
Who fucking cares right then it's the medium stuff like the event what just
happened in so and so the olympics like also who fucking oh
that was all the only story about the olympics was the memes
right the yeah the break dancer who
had a phd and couldn't actually break dance and the turkish guy who you know

(34:34):
didn't use any equipment and shot a bullseye and there was all these great memes
but i have no i had no zero understanding about who won the most medals what
nothing people are talking about it i'm like i just like i've got his memes
i don't all right, this is the closest I got to it because who cares?
Because as soon as everyone's talking about the same thing, I'm immediately
disinterested because I've already

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been given a pre-packaged version of it depending on what side they're on.
And it's so everyone can feel comfortable talking about the sports or they can all get on board with it.
And I just find that whenever it's the crowd talking about something together, I could not care less.
So those are those two medium, small and average things.
But how often do you get together with people and to talk about ideas and you

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know it's like the salons back in the you know in europe they got together and
talked about art and design and philosophy and ideas it was actually like a
it was constructive it was the exchange of ideas and what about this and what about that and,
you know which can that can go across all timelines it can be the past the present
the future and you can discuss great thinkers or mathematicians or scientists

(35:37):
or you know artists or movies or,
whatever it is across any timeline whether you know be retrospective or now
again or what's going to happen next.
And you can kind of leave out all the other nonsense about what they did in
their personal life or the politics or the point of view of that.
But it's so hard to get away from that now, because even with entertainment
mediums like film, they're delivering these ideologies that they're trying to

(35:59):
get across, and they're ignoring.
The point that you go and watch a movie or watch a tv show or read a book so
it's like we've got to check all this checklist it was woke bullshit but they
don't want to actually just tell a good story with good acting and good
writing you know like this star wars franchise
has been completely taken over by this and there's a
lord of the rings series on amazon that's the most expensive tv show ever made

(36:20):
it costs like a billion dollars to produce and in like a daytime television
show full of all these different characters that were not in the original tolkien
book so they've have tried to make Sauron like a guy who just was misunderstood
and all this sort of stuff.
And the makeup is horrible. The costumes are terribly designed.
They've done all this stuff to try and, again, it's a bunch of nonsense,

(36:43):
but because they're so focused on disrupting and getting across a modern message
and all this, they're forgetting all the stuff that made those other movies
amazing 20, 30 years ago.
And they're beautifully designed and the costumes are incredible and they were very
as much as they could be very focused on the original you know
tolkien larry this is an example right but it was there was
a lot of love and care about the craft and and getting something across

(37:05):
it was going to be amazing and now it's the other way
around it's like a checklist of what can we how can we get across
our ideology but not focusing on the quality
of the thing at all and it's so transparent and people now
can see it and right away you get people going what are you doing this is
ridiculous so it's starting to backfire a little bit luckily
already but it is because you can't
talk about these things from and you kind

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of you can't get away from this now you can't just talk about how good that
something is i had a conversation with someone the other day about tesla he's
like i really love tesla but i you know elon i don't like him i can't you know
he's just i can't really get down with him anymore i don't like him anymore
you know and i said well can you separate the art from the artist if you don't
like elon for whatever reason does it affect your point of view of a tesla now
what's what's what is that Why does that matter?

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Because the Nazi party started Volkswagen.
Sorry, Volkswagen because the Nazi party started ... Who cares?
Do you like the car or not?
You can't now separate these things anymore. It's impossible because there's ideologies, opinions.
You read something about him in the media because he's gone.
Quote unquote, far right and supports Trump because you don't like that.
Whatever those reasons are, I don't know what it is. I don't think it matters.

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It has to now be part of everything. It has to be connected to everything.
You can't just look at something and go, oh, that's a great car,
movie, whatever, and appreciate it because it's a great craft.
It's got to be from a different point of view. So we can't ignore the small.
Let's talk about other people and gossip or talk about these events,
these world events that happen.
What else is there? To me, I'm fucking tired of that. It's just boring.

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It's absolutely boring.
But no one has any constructive views of the future or the present and what to do in a different way.
We're so focused on fighting about these these
other these ideologies and these incremental things in politics that it's
just not it's non-stop it's the same circle it's just spinning faster and
faster now because it's getting more and more silly it's like a spin cycle on

(38:55):
a washing machine so i don't see that i think that's
unfortunate that we can't just i don't break away from
that or and i think that is you know if that
is that that that split direction i'd rather be in the going direction that
has a bit of more awareness about nature and
spirituality and ideas is and optimism and all
these things i don't think that's a utopia i just think that's a better path to pursue

(39:16):
than getting bogged down in the analysis and the
words and the politics and what you think is going to happen
next year you know like i just yeah that that's to
me that's my path i see forming is not
so much what side but the ability to like like you
said understand something better or ask questions about something or
just be passionate about something anything just have

(39:37):
a deep conversation about the movie we just watched and why was that so good
and this is amazing the scenes are great the writing was great that's so rare
now i don't see that any anymore it's always that was okay and then move on
to the next thing it's just this i don't know it's uh maybe because there's
too much out there we don't appreciate individual things anymore but there's a loss.
Loss of something and nuance there and i do think it's the lack of being able

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to be comfortable talking about things that you don't know starting ascends
you're not sure how it ends you know if If you have a pre-written political
point of view or ideology, you know exactly it's a script.
So you can go back to your script. You can go back to Harris for 2024 or whatever
it might be as your script, but you can't start off on a sentence and explore what's happening.

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And by the end of it, realize that maybe you might change your mind about it
at the end because someone said something different.
I think we have to be really safe now and predictable and virtue signal.
And it's more important what things look like than what they really are.
Yeah. Yeah, that's why from a Taoist perspective, cultivating the perceiving

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agent is the way forward.
That means we live for meaning rather than actually getting entangled in the correct word.
And as it continues more and more and more, because even in the Tao Te Ching,
they talk about the split in society is inevitable as a major growth factor.

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Because they say the growth cycle is the soul cycle, and that is why the spiral
of the upward or downward spiral.
And that goes via the stages of civilizations.
And a civilization is born out of an idea year, which is actually the probability
factor, that's when the one gave rise to the two, the two gave rise to the three,

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and the three then gave rise to the billions of things. So that's the origin of creation.
But then it reaches its peak where the word has been separated from meaning,
and at that moment split in the yin and yang split, and that's a crash of that society.
And then a new culture starts, and it starts again as the one that gave rise
to the two, the two gap rise to the three, and then the three get to the billions of things.

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So according to the Taoist tradition, we are at cycle 81.
And Atlantis, for example, was at cycle 80. Lumiere was cycle 79.
So there's a lot of cycles here. Wait, if Atlantis was 80, and Atlantis was
what, 15,000 years ago, roughly, right?
Yeah. And then it came to the point where it separated itself.

(42:18):
Simply, Simply, it was a separation between meaning and word.
Right. Yeah. So once meaning and word separate themselves, Tao can't continue.
Yeah, I feel like Atlantis was pretty advanced, though, and they kind of had
a collapse. I don't feel like we're particularly advanced at the moment,
and we're headed towards what feels like a big change.
So do we have further to go? We must still have further to go,

(42:40):
right, before this cycle completes itself. Oh, we can see.
I only can use the quotes of the Taoist in that regard.
And it's just like it was only a speculation that I mean with civilization 80
East Atlantis and the mirror 79 so because the last civilization that we can perceive is.

(43:03):
What a quarter T street means, obviously, by understanding that derived from
an intuitive understanding, Hancock, et cetera.
So we can see Atlantis was the last, and that crashed, and before that was Lomera.
And according to the psychics, Lomera was yin energy that is more affiliated

(43:24):
with Australia, and Atlantis is the yang energy, a male energy,
which is more affiliated with North America and North Europe.
And so we can see now the rise of the male energy from Atlantis again trying to take control.
At the same time, we can also see the marion energy of the yin, of the feminine also.

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And according to the psychics, the next cycle is where the feminine and the
masculine actually merge.
Right. And maybe this is where meaning and word come together.
Yeah. Yeah. Because that's the difference between the two different polarities
of yin and yang, that one is meaning, one is word.

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Well, the female, feminine energy is the meaning, the masculine energy is more the word. Yeah.
And so where maybe this is now an opportunity for it, actually we get a grip
of that we're needing to merge the two.
Yes. So, for example, like if I go to a party or meet people,

(44:31):
I know exactly if I bring up a certain word, it could actually cause havoc.
Yeah. Because if that person is now entangled in that word as being an indication
of what they truly believe in and can't see the other side, then obviously it's
a meaningless accommodation.

(44:51):
Yeah, yeah. And….
It's not possible to have a common ground there. And then obviously the idea
is, okay, don't get entangled, don't get angry,
don't take sides and don't get emotional, but you still, in the back of your
mind, you can't believe that the other person doesn't see what you see.

(45:14):
Yeah. Mm-hmm . Yeah. And so it's just, I mean, there are still people who believe
that vaccines is the way of the future because it saved us from the virus.
So if you meet someone like that what do
you do yeah pretty it's kind of hard to go
back far enough you know to like it's like when you have
on mac you have a way back machine the way back machine
right or time machine you know so if you delete something

(45:37):
you can use the time machine on a mac and once you plug in your
backup you can wind back to where the the
problem happened but i feel like when like that happens there's
not enough you know there's not
enough power in the time machine you know it's like the delorean back that you
don't have enough you know the reactor is not powerful enough to send you
back far enough because it's like how far back do you

(45:58):
have to go to try and figure out where that happened and
it might be from well but it's probably well before the you know when do you
see that you see that proliferation for example on when you see like every day
we've got like at least one or two healthy pit sport person dying on the field
yeah well yeah collapsing or like that actor yesterday collapsing on the beach Yeah.

(46:19):
Well, before that, the football are collapsing.
And of course, everybody in Australia, why, ah, now that comes- Rare, rare.
Pfizer strike the gay and things like that. And then, every now and then, are you anti-vaxxers?
Where do you get your knowledge from? From Google? Ha, ha, ha.
You know nothing. You idiots.
The vaccine saved us. You dickheads.

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And so, obviously, people are really caught up in the word.
Yeah. Yeah. And we have seen this incredible narrative that really has an impact on a lot of people.
But the fact is, of course, it's outdated a little bit now, but other factors are coming into it now.
And American politics at the moment, the big thing, and that's dividing people.

(47:06):
But after the American politics, something else will be dividing us.
And once again, it will be something about where you just say,
how can people just vote for that person?
It doesn't make any sense yeah and and
then and then the other person who looks
at you and says i don't understand why you don't why you don't see what i see

(47:26):
yeah yeah but like you said in the beginning it's like the people who say oh
paris will change the world and i said i'm like of course but that's not a good
that's not necessarily a good thing you know like you're right you know like
a lot of vaccines really changed the world like they did they absolutely did change everything,
not in a good way like it's the we can agree on something does it impact you
know you can use all these words where you stay on the same but there's a moment

(47:49):
when you're like we're having a completely different conversation.
So the aim is obviously to, once again, it's pretty much like the Tao Te Ching
has been talking about that over and over and over, that as time progresses,
it will always lead to the point where meaning would separate itself from the
word, and then it will start again. game.

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And it's interesting to see how a quantum physicist is now actually coming on
board with the Taoist view.
And I see this more and more and more. Like every week now, I listen to a podcast
by a quantum physicist who is starting to quote the Tao,
who is going into the Taoist view and starts to realize that fundamental to
the measured reality is consciousness.

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And that if we find a way how to cultivate consciousness rather than put the
strategy in place for what is measured, that means we will be able to create
changes that we otherwise can't do anymore.
And I think that's what they can see that we are on the brink,
like Federico Fagan believes we are on the brink of either becoming a completely

(48:57):
controlled society by those who We'll just move away from meaning and the soul
and the heart towards the word, the machine,
et cetera, and therefore more and more and more become a soulless society.
And so that's what obviously 1984 and all this sort of stuff is about, the soulless society.

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On the other hand, what happens if those with more and more people start cultivating the perceiving agent,
and that the Vabha Shah comes in, and he said, those who cultivate the perceiving
agent of the Tao will then,
will actually start creating reality as an accord with that,

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and once again, it will be a split.
So that means one day, that means according from that perspective,
Bashar would say you would go to a barbecue and no one would raise the political
question that would make you angry because suddenly everyone sees the same.
But then obviously the Tao would create situations for self-discovery that will

(50:06):
actually oppose your views because the Tao will not be happy if everyone's on the same boat.
Yeah, but maybe the Tao will make everyone get sick from the hamburgers or something.
Maybe if someone doesn't cook
the hot dogs properly, whatever happens at a barbecue, it could be that.
So it's going to be an interesting time that we are moving towards.
So basically the way I understand the thought of Ching is self-realization,

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understanding your true self and exploring who you are is the prime reason for being here.
And the situations will be given to us in
order to explore that and opposition is
one of those factors but each time you go into that opposition
it's about making a choice to either

(50:52):
act from a heart or to get into taking in the word yeah what's the choose your
own adventure book which used to be those books where you you know set a novel
and you get to a moment in the book and it says do you open the door or do you
go down into the cave you have to make there's always choices that you make
in those books and each choice sets you up to a different outcome in the end, because you're
making these different split, you know, criss-crossing split pathways, so.

(51:17):
It feels like this is like more of a frequent choose your own adventure where pretty
much every day you have to kind of go yeah which way am
i going to go and it's kind of getting us and i think as they said as bashar
said that sort of establishing where you're going to be and.
What you're going to be able to receive or acknowledge or what you'll
be witness to because i think he mentioned and i think more
than one person's mentioned this i think they
were both on next level soul podcast i think the other one was i

(51:40):
can't remember her name but there's something about like galactic contacts
you mentioned it in about 2027 yeah 27
yeah that's what the old say old psychics say 26
20 20 26 20 27 is
when the galactic context starts and that seems to also
have a lot to do with consciousness it's less about oh look
we can all see the ufo landing but it's more about if you're open to

(52:01):
seeing it and i think that's the more i've read about
ufo phenomena the less i'm interested in the actual nuts and
bolts of like what's the what's it made of or how is.
It propelled look look it's just like i mean having an
opposition and having a conflict is essential for
the self-growth and so after american politics loses the
appeal to take sides and getting entangled in the word yeah maybe

(52:23):
the aliens are the next way to to bring that conflict
into existence yeah if
you even see them or not like i'd argue possibly maybe it's not everyone will even
see it and this is why like a lot a lot of sightings are to do with
the consciousness involved not i saw the ufo it's like
where you are open to it seeing it or experiencing it
whether what did they show themselves to you because not everyone's

(52:45):
ready for it so that might be one of those choices like we may
go down a path and whether one you know if you're willing to see it or be involved
with it then you you know in a couple of years that you're part of that and
then some people aren't or they perceive it as a threat because they show up
and they want our water or something i don't know gold and um it's a fight you
know which is most movies But I don't feel like that doesn't seem quite right to me.

(53:05):
That's that's more of a movie plot than what actually happened but.
It would be a topic of who you're going to vote for, which alien party you're going to vote for.
It turns out all the politicians are all reptiles anyway and they take their masks off.
I wouldn't be surprised if Biden was some sort of alien with a bad human suit on.

(53:26):
Yeah, they're a pretty bad body suit. Not good. Yeah, they should do better.
Yeah. They'll probably realize, who cares? Just get an old one out of the cupboard, put it on.
No one will notice. you know yeah but the idea is obviously to to to really
understand okay it's about,
instinctively respond to a situation from the

(53:46):
point of the heart rather than you needing to need to go
by choice towards the heart yeah and
that's that is exactly what cultivational practice will
do yeah it's just like you will automatically go
into the heart and then you feel good and then
regardless of that person that is now really entangled in
the world because one thing's for sure when someone is really in the world and

(54:10):
sees only that position you can also see someone who is actually not very healthy
yeah and from my perspective as an acupuncturist i can see the signs that this
person is suffering from certain conditions because if you are more and more entangled in the word,
you're creating a heat condition,
you're creating yang rising, you're creating yin deficiency patterns,

(54:33):
you're creating obstructions in the lung meridians, you're creating liver overriding
spleen, and the result of that is you see digestive problems.
So we actually feel sorry for those who are entangled in the word because it's
not a healthy way to live.
You know, acting from your heart is definitely the healthier option.

(54:57):
You just have to leave behind your pride if you want to believe something. Yeah.
And I like what Federico says. You need to move from the sleep,
unawakened ego to the awakened ego.
Yeah. And I like that. And that's a really good analogy.
It's just the awakened ego operates from the heart, and therefore will actually

(55:20):
have an observation of the situation where they can see the suffering of people. Yeah.
And therefore tries to find a way, okay, how can we have a unified field in this regard?
Yeah. And I see there's more and more people in that line. I mean,
when I talked to Yoav today, the Israeli,
you can tell he's just coming from, he's just operating so strongly from the

(55:42):
heart and he's looking for a solution from the heart Rather than get,
oh, we need to talk about this.
We need to get entangled in the world and politics, et cetera,
which then in all time creates another conflict.
But if you get everyone into the heart, then there's no conflict.
And so really the way forward is to somehow inspire people to start living a healthy life. Yeah.

(56:10):
It's a fact. Well, yeah, just like inspire everyone.
Just like you got to get up for cultivation.
Don't wake up for the external world. If you wake up for the external world, you will have food.
In the primary position and you will leave meaning behind and get caught up

(56:33):
in opposition and opinions.
And then obviously it doesn't take long before someone will oppose that and
in no time you will have conflict.
And being in conflict is never a healthy situation. Yeah. Yes.
And so, but if I'm operating from the heart, because I noticed it,

(56:53):
if I go to those functions where there are people really expressing the word,
which contradicts what I think I could sense, what could be a better option.
That's a nice way to say it.
But obviously in that moment, because of my training, I actually operate in that.

(57:17):
And therefore, I'm actually in a state of altered consciousness.
Yeah. and I'm actually in that moment like almost like a little bit high like
if I would be under some sort of drug if I would have a smoke of some nice really
A-grade cannabis or so and in that moment you obviously,
you embrace the other side and say yeah whatever,

(57:40):
it's not that much of an issue and then if you don't engage with it what happens
is they will move on anyway and then bang sooner or later you will discover
something something that is actually on common ground again,
and then you just can cultivate that. Yeah.
Yeah. And so the idea is obviously when you meet someone who is just so entangled

(58:01):
in the word as an absolute,
to really bring in your heart and don't press the word, push the heart. Yeah.
I've seen that with our Taoist masters in action when their state,
their consciousness, entrances your own consciousness.

(58:25):
And in that moment, the worth that you're actually taking side on and believe
in and hold on to suddenly evaporates and you're moving towards meaning of that situation.
But this is why in the Tibetan Buddhist situation, you have to learn how to debate.
This is one thing that a lot of people misunderstand about Buddhism lately is

(58:48):
that when you live in those monasteries, after breakfast, it's two, three hours debating.
And that means two monks take two opposite sides.
For example, they would say, okay, I'm a Harris supporter and I'm a Trump supporter for three hours.
And you have to really believe in that Trump is right and the other person has

(59:11):
to believe that Harris is right.
And then obviously, they're trying to take them to the word.
And then with their training is to find the point where they don't react to
the word and use their heart rather than the word.
And I've seen that with the the master I studied under, how he constantly triggered me.

(59:36):
Because I remember that when I started my training, because a lot of people
these days, I hear this all the time.
Gee, you are so fortunate to have studied under one of the top masters in person.
Because I studied under a master who rendered transcendental meditation with
the Maharishi in the 60s.
And I studied under him personally.

(59:59):
So when I was in the end, I was one of the closest students to him,
and I've seen how this journey started.
Him because he saw and witnessed my eagerness in the early 90s of wanting to
learn about this spirituality.
So he invited me to his hometown in Malaysia, and then there was up to five

(01:00:27):
years observing my eagerness.
And then I thought, oh, hallelujah, the ultimate life is starting.
I've got a direct master introducing me now to the mysteries of the spirit.
And he kept me captivated in the beginning in the first couple of days with
his mystical ability where I saw shape-shifting.

(01:00:48):
I saw his body shape-shift and there were other people with me who witnessed the same incident.
I've seen objects be moved without touching. I've seen mystical states about
in me just by looking at me.
I was suddenly in a state of LSD without using LSD.
I suddenly was in a state of cosmic absolute rhapsody just by getting the hands laid on.

(01:01:11):
And so, boom, obviously, I was captivated beyond belief, literally.
But then the journey started by him pushing me and triggering me.
And he used words to trigger me.
And I'll never forget this one day, he triggered me so much because he asked
me to do an essay about a nam run, which is a healing modality of the VCM.

(01:01:37):
I was doing really great three-month research, and then we had another retreat
with 30 others, and I presented my essay, my in-depth research.
He looked at it, and in front of the whole group, he criticized me because I
forgot a comma in one of the sentences, a comma.

(01:02:00):
He got up on me, and all about grammar, and nothing about this in-depth research.
Provided the understanding of the Namrung, which is the spontaneous healing modality.
And he just kept triggering me and pushing.
And in the end, I lost it. And I sent it to the people with me, fuck, I hate that cunt.

(01:02:27):
I hate the cunt. And he came up and he said to me, in his Indian accent, very good.
Yeah? Yeah. And then I realized, obviously, what he was doing in that moment
until he triggered me again, then I forgot. Yeah.

(01:02:54):
And, I mean, this is all 35, 30, over 30 years ago, but he taught me to move
from the sleeping ego to the awakened ego.
That means to go from the word to the meaning and to go into the,

(01:03:14):
because he was a quantum physicist himself, into the field of probabilities
rather than measured reality,
which is where your beliefs and where your opinions, where conflict resides.
And basically saying over and
over and over, you can have all the biggest understanding of spirituality.
If you react to a situation, you don't have it.

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And that's what obviously what one of the Ram Dass, he always said,
Ram Dass famous saying, well, if you think you're spiritual,
all right, go home and spend a weekend with your family.
Yeah, everyone immediately knows what that means too, like no, or not. Yeah, right.

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Because this is exactly from a Chinese medicine perspective,
that's the ideal center.
Yeah. I can have a really holy day at clinic and I'm coming south from a point
of the heart and then transcending the word into a meaning with my client.
And then I have a Zoom session with my sister and boom.

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Suddenly i'm ascending from zero
to one second into the into the word yep instantly yeah like faster than a v8
yeah faster than a big adi varon yeah yeah yep warp drive and obviously this
is what spirit world is doing to us it always brings into our environment, those would trigger us.

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Yeah. Yeah. So if you don't get triggered, you can't practice and can't cultivate
to transcend the word into meaning.
Yeah. You can't go into the probability factor. Otherwise, you just talk.
So as a result of that is because we're having such opposition now in this world,
we can really say, okay, this is probably the most brutal time of all times,

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or recorded history, if you want to call it.
Because we're surrounded with so much weird shit.
That's to put it lightly. Yeah. That's probably another better way to put it.
Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Because we are surrounded.
I already have to go on Facebook and I go, oh my God, how can someone say that? Yeah.
Yeah. And then obviously I learned not to comment on it anymore.

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I learned that because that actually creates a ripple action.
That's not good. And as a result of that, I actually don't do many posts anymore.
Yeah. And I find it's probably better of not posting too much on Facebook.
Yeah. And actually, I actually reduced my social media quite dramatically.
Yeah. Because I find it's a bit better.
Whereas back in the day, obviously, until last year, I was posting almost daily.

(01:05:53):
Yeah. Yeah. And I was very active, but I found it better to sit back a little
bit. Yeah. Do one post a week maybe. Yeah.
And so that I'm not getting entangled in the word.
Because whatever I say, like last post I did, I shared that I'm feeling,
you know, it's about a lot of people presenting this tiredness and I myself

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feel the tiredness and it's because we're having that separation happening that
people, and that could be a split response as a result of that.
And that means energy is distributed unevenly and it could affect on us.
So that's why we feel tired. And immediately people text me,

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you shouldn't feel tired.
I got messages. But if you, like, you need to do a five-day cleanse.
That's the best one. Let me tell you, I feel great. And let me tell you why
I feel great. You should do this. Yeah, I feel really, really good.
I feel full of energy. I feel so good.

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If I would have made a post that some people feel tired, but I actually don't
feel tired because of it, I would have got post, oh, you're never real.
You're just making things up.
Yeah? so so whatever i post
it just it's all right it
always will be a tag you know what you should do is do two posts a week in the

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same day and exactly the same post but have a different point of view and post
them both and see their response right so have choose one issue and post both
posts in completely different points of view of the issue and see if people a notice,
and b what the algorithm shows them because they may only show the one they
know they're going to fight against, right?
Because that'll be an interesting test in terms of same photo,

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same topic, but different, completely different point of view and see who notices.
That's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people present this tiredness.
I can totally relate to it. The other post too. A lot of people will present
this tiredness. Loses. I feel great. I don't understand why. I feel awesome.
Yeah. You need to lift the G-cycle. That's why.
Yeah. Yeah. We should do a fucking cleanse. Yeah. That's going to help.

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Put them exactly at the same time. Yep.
Every time you do one, just have another one, you know, it's like,
you just get ready for the, any, any, you know. Do the exact opposite,
like a shadow, like a, like a mirror post.
Oh yeah, invert it. Yeah. So you could do white. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because the word always will say the wrong thing.
It's to those who perceive it as wrong. Yeah. Maybe you can delete one of them

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and people go, what? You know, it's like, it's like the Mandela effects.
Like, what are you talking about? What post?
What other posts? And go back and see, like, what did you read? You read.
I'm totally on your side. Right? I think your five neck plinths didn't work all too well.
It must be seeing things. You should probably eat something.
Yeah. You're hallucinating. You're not feeling so good now, are you?
Yeah. Have three meals a day and drink one in the evening.

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Yeah, that was one of the comments. You only feel tired because you drink one
in the evening. I told you that. Oh, really?
Yeah, it was one of the comments. I told you how it was bad for you.
Okay. It's like, it goes on and on and on.
So it really doesn't matter what you say.
It's just someone will find something, yeah? Yeah.
And then so this is obviously, yeah, personally the way I deal with it is,

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all right, I'm going to back off a little bit in terms of using the word and
go more into the experiencing meaning, yeah?
And which means I'm using more, lesser of the yang, the expression,
Yeah. And more of the introversion.
Yeah. Yeah. And I found that helps. I found it really helps.
So maybe when I go to that meeting, the barbecue tomorrow, the birthday party,

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maybe I just go introverted and just stand there and sit there and don't do anything.
Well, it seems like simply even going to a barbecue or birthday party isn't
like you anyway. So what are you... You're already out of your element.
You should just go, I don't know, dress in a clown costume or,
I don't know, go rent a bear outfit or something.

(01:10:01):
I don't know. Go as a kangaroo. I don't know.
Yeah, but it's also great when you meet.
A great conversation is also good. I like great conversations.
Usually, I'm not going to parties because they bore me, but if there's great
people there, I like going.
Because I love the base. I always say.

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Yeah, I love enthusiastic opinions and I like exploring ideas,
but which are somehow connected to the heart without getting religious about
it because that's not the point, yeah?
And we got, I mean, in the Tao Te Ching, it never says anywhere,
the one gave rise to the one and the one became the one.

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That's it. You've never seen it. Yeah. It says the one gave rise to the two,
yin and yang. Yang, the two gave rise to the three, which then gave rise to the billion things.
So obviously, that means it's going to be deliberately done in order to explore.
And the fact that all masters used debate as a means for us to cultivate our

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spirituality, not to test up.
My master never tested me. It was only just to trigger me. Yeah.
Because there was no testing. There's judgment in there. Because after,
when I called him a cunt...

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Yeah, they cracked up laughing. And that night we went out and had dinner and drank wine.
And so that's what I obviously learned from those masters. You just simply can't offend them.
And he said to me many times, he said, if someone claims to be a master,
just say something very obnoxious. Try to offend that person.

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And if they react to you, you know not to follow them.
But if they laugh, you see what they do because they got something profound. Yeah. Yeah.
And because you couldn't offend him. There was no way. We tried.
We have tried it. That's right.
Because I was surrounded with quite pretty sort of like obnoxious people at some stage.

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Yeah. And we just explored it on every level and we couldn't.
Yeah, we couldn't see it.
And so those masters got that in common that they considered all of us peacefulness.
But that peacefulness is the result of transcending the word and going for meaning.
And the meaning is the art.
And that's a result of years and years or decades and lifetimes of practice.

(01:12:35):
Yeah? Yeah. And this is the way I look at what it's all about now is really,
it's not the age of choice. It's the age of practice.
That's what I call it. Yep. There's our episode now. The age of practice.
Yeah. That's what, yeah, that's what it is. Maybe just, yeah, that's it.

(01:12:59):
Yeah. I mean, let's leave it with this because that's exactly what the whole
point is all about. Yeah.
Yeah. Do your practice and all is coming. Yeah. Well, then you don't need to
make a conscious choice. You're just choosing as you go. Yeah. That's right.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Until it becomes natural.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then you got it all sorted. Yeah.
Yeah. All right. yeah go that was easy next time yeah keep practicing send the

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word go for meaning that's right and put put every opposition on your t-shirt
and say that's camp you're supporting say yes i support i support you yes i
believe you i support everyone,
i'm on board with everyone yeah everyone i love everyone just wear a suggestion

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box around your neck and say just pour whatever you're right take i'll take
everything on board yeah yeah yeah whatever it is i love yeah all right all right till next time.
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