What do you do when ministry success comes at the cost of your soul?
In this episode, we sit down with Jon Talbert - pastor, coach, and co-founder of Forte - to talk about the quiet unraveling that often happens behind the scenes in leadership.
Jon has led at the highest levels of church and nonprofit work, but somewhere along the way, he realized he was losing himself in the process. What followed wasn’t a dramatic exit - but a deliberate shift. A reckoning. A redefinition of calling.
If you’ve ever questioned your role, your rhythm, or even your relevance in ministry, this conversation will hit close to home.
Jon gets honest about burnout, identity, and why courage sometimes looks like letting go.
This isn’t just about recovering from ministry. It’s about discovering what’s next - with less fear and more freedom.
Key Takeaways- What most leaders miss about the difference between calling and identity
- Why burnout isn’t always loud - and how to recognize it early
- The real cost of avoiding your own growth
- How to lead with clarity when the crowd is gone
- What “editing your life” looks like in a post-ministry season
00:00 – Jon’s early ministry story 06:12 – From platform to pressure: the silent drift 14:45 – Burnout and the addiction to being needed 21:08 – Risk, honesty, and what it really means to lead well 29:17 – How Forte walks with leaders in transition 36:30 – Wrestling with faith after leaving ministry 41:40 – Final thoughts: courage over comfort
If you’re facing a leadership shift, you don’t have to do it alone. Start a conversation at ministrytransitions.com.
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Learn more about his work at getforte.com
And explore their support for faith leaders at getforte.com/faith
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