August 7, 2026 • 46 mins
Anthony Fauci is facing renewed scrutiny as lawmakers push to hold him in contempt of Congress over his testimony and actions during the COVID pandemic. The discussion goes beyond the vaccines, examining years of shifting public messaging, accusations that protecting his reputation became a higher priority than transparency, and the lasting impact those decisions had on the country. Jesse Kelly is joined by Michael Knowles and Jeffrey Tucker to break down the growing calls for accountability, what Congress could do next, and why many believe the full story is just starting coming into focus.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
They know that that's not a great sell. So you
can't have Betty Crocker on there selling it like that
every night. So instead you reimagine it when it comes
to issues like this, man does it not land well
to get on the news and say it's an A
plus economy.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Now, the problem came when China released the sequence and
started warning about this new virus and showing propaganda films
and all sorts of things like that. Now Fauci had
a problem.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
So just quickly, because we have a bunch to get to.
Michael Knowles is going to join us as we're going
to talk about affordability and infighting on the right. Jeffrey
Tucker is going to join us. We'll talk about more
about the Fauci stuff. He finished reading all that fauchery
Fauci diary notebooks that we're going to get to all
those things in the show. But I wanted to remind
you of something that we can never forget, and it's
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easy to lose sight of this.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I want to remind you.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
That the Communists, it's not just that he lies all
the time.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
It's not just that it's that his.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Lies serve a purpose, a very important purpose. He's not
like one of these people who just lies for fun.
You know, I used to know a guy like this.
I used to work with a guy like this, and
he would whatever sport you were doing. You could be
shooting pool, and he would tell you he used to
play professionally. I'm not kidding. Told me one time that
he used to play professional corn hole. Like there's no
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purpose for that. He's just just a liar. But communists
don't operate in that way. The reason they lie all
the time about everything is they have very evil plans
for you and your country and everything you care about.
And what's more, they know these plans are evil. They
know these plans are destructive, and they know that you
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don't want that. Who looks around and says, man, I
hope someone would come along and just burn all this
stuff down. People don't want it. So if people don't
want what you're selling, make yourself a sleazy used car salesman.
If people don't want that pontiac sitting there because they
think it's going to break down, and let's say you
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don't have any morals at all, your only care is
the sale itself, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
You lie? Just lie?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Lies are required if you're a communist. Now how you
lie is important as wow. You see, they'll take the
most despicable things, horrible things in the world, and what
they'll do is they'll pull it, they'll focus group it,
they'll massage the words as much as possible to make
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whatever demonic thing they're doing sounds not that bad or
almost almost nice. A great example of this is women's
reproductive rights.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
What are they talking about? Butchering on born babies?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
That's what it is, butchering on moren babies, snipping off
their heads and killing unborn babies.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
But that's a tough cell, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
How many people do you know want to talk about
snipping off a baby's head?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Not many?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
But women's reproductive right? So that sounds good. I like
women's rights. One of the words that needs to set
off alarms in your head every single time you hear
it is when they use a term they love so much,
and that term is reimagine, reimagine, reimagine. They're always reimagining something.
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We need to reimagine this and reimagine capitalism and reimagine this.
All reimagine means is destroyed. Reimagine means destroyed. Period now
destroy is a hard cell. Reimagine and the love they
love it.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Reimagining impact requires leaders who will reimagine and who will
be unafraid to do so. We need local communities to
reimagine policing.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
We imagine what safety for all looks like. We have
got to in America reimagine how we are accomplishing public safety.
This will be a moment to reimagine, reinvent, and recreate it.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Right now, the mayor is carrying out trying to reimagine
public safety and get us out of this process of
just thinking police officers is what is needed as public safety,
but thinking about the other pieces of it. In Minneapolis,
I think is on the right track at the moment.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
What do we do to make life better for everybody?
We certainly have enough. I mean, we just created the
most number of billionaires in the history of the world.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
You know, we have enough.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
We could do this, but it's going to take some imagination,
reimagining of what America is, what our economic system is,
because what's clear is it's not working and it's not sustainable.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Isn't it wild?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
How often they say and you'll hear it again and
the next time you hear it. You're going to sit
up in your chair now. Just remember this part before
we go to Michael. When they say reimagine, this is
what they mean.
Speaker 7 (05:14):
So we're gonna put up on the screen a few
of the things that are part of your platform, and
I want to ask you just give me sort of
a true false on these. Abolish the Senate.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
True okay.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
Replace the Presidency and Supreme Court as we now know them.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
Abolish ice. Absolutely, abolish borders, and give amnesty to anyone
currently in the US illegally as a long term plan.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
Defund the Pentagon. Absolutely, abolish prisons, at least in large part.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Again, that is part of a long term program.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
Yeah, okay, So no prisons, government or public ownership of
most large corporations.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, that's what they mean.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
They know that that's not a great sell. So you
can't have Betty Crocker on there selling it like that
every night, so.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Instead you reimagine it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
All right, we're going to go talk to Michael about
all kinds of things. Affordability, what's the future primary look
like in twenty twenty eight, and more? Hang on, here's
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be it from me to do much reading of the
Daily Beast. I mean, honestly, I can hardly read anyway,
but the headline did jump out at me. Advance fat
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shames a maga.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Ally in Bonker's meltdown. That sounds awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Joining me now, my friend Michael Knowles, of course, of
the wonderful Michael Knowles show. Michael, there's been all kinds
of a hubb eight hours on affordability.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
This an affordability that?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And is the country just hopelessly screwed and can't afford
anything anymore? Is it just that you're not pulling yourself
up by your bootstraps enough.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I hand the whole thing over to you. What's your
take on all this? Well, thank you, sir.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
The entire conservative movement was at each other's throats yesterday
over a burrito. They were at each other's burritos, which
sounds evocative and kind of gross. But the reason for this,
it came out in that what you're there and there.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
There she is?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Yeah, right, that's I was at the burrito this morning too.
The reason for this, as you alluded to with the
JD Vance Mark Tiesen fight, was because you had these
two camps of the conservative movement fighting all day. You
had Andrew Colvett versus who was a Joel Berry. You
had Ben Shapiro versus Matt Walsh, and it was essentially
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the libertarian and the more neo Connie side versus the
populists and the more traditionalist side. And the question not
just about burritos. It was not just about the economy.
It was how should we react when normal people complain
about the economy, and normal people are entirely banished from
political twitter and politics generally. So the more libertarian Neoconi
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side said that the way we should react is by
calling them a bunch of stupid ingrades who should just
eat Ramen noodles, and the more populist traditionalist side said
the way that we should react is by I really
want to end the Iran war. So I think both
sides were kind of speaking past each other a little bit.
I do have a lot of sympathy, though, for the
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more trad and kind of populist side, which doesn't always
worship at the altar of the free market, likes free markets,
but recognizes that markets serve people, and when people say
they're having trouble paying the bills, we should listen to
them because this is a democracy and you're supposed to
show respect to your constituents. And I go back to
my buddy Ben Shapiro, who you know. He's making all
these points about how grocery prices actually haven't risen all
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that much in reason and years of the rose a
lot during COVID, and there are other bad economic indicators.
But Ben loves to say facts don't care about your feelings,
which is totally true. The problem is that politics exclusively
cares about your feelings. And so I think Vance made
a great point on Laura Ingram show, which is he said, look,
socialism is evil. We don't want socialism. A lot of
people are voting for socialists right now because the socialists
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are talking about affordability. So if you want to avoid socialism,
the thing you have to do is talk about the
economic hardship that people are feeling and then channel it
in a good direction. And the main way that we
should do that is blame the immigrants, because it's basically
all their fault.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Not necessarily wrong on that.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
My problem with this with so much of this debate, Michael,
because there are great points on both sides, and like
you said, a lot of people just have agendas and
it's just monkeys too, and poop at each other. I'm
not worried about that, but there are good points to
be had. My problem, honestly, it comes clear from the top, Michael,
honestly with Donald Trump himself, is how we're messaging the
fact that people remember what it was like five six
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years ago to afford more things. This is not fifty
years ago. Five or six years ago, you could afford
more than you can afford now. The American people hated
it with the fire of a thousand suns when Joe
Biden would go to the camera and tell them how
great they had it. It's great, economy's great if you
guys just starren't reporting on it. They hated it because
you don't kick dirt in someone's face when they're down
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and tell them how great it is. I understand full
well that it is Donald Trump's way. Everything's the best ever,
the best looking ever, the greatest ever, the golden I
understand that that's his way, and I like it.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
When it comes to issues like this, man does it
not land well to get on the news and say
it's an A plus economy, golden age, stock market's never
been higher. If you're sitting at home crying about your
grocery bill.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
That doesn't land. Well, no it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
And so I think actually the administration has a pretty
good argument to make here, but they have to acknowledge
the problem because the socialists are making hay on it.
And what the Trump administration can say is, look, the
cost of groceries actually hasn't risen all that much over
the last two years. But it did rise a ton
during the Biden years.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
It did.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
The inflation was massive, and so you're feeling that it's
not it doesn't go in the other direction. The price
has never really come down. So we're working on that.
But the biggest drivers of costs right now, it's not
actually the burritos. It's not exactly your groceries. So some
groceries are more expensive. The biggest driver of costs is housing.
I mean, that's where you're really seeing housing jump from
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I think it was twenty nineteen to twenty twenty four.
Housing jumped up like thirty percent in prices, but wages
only rose about nine percent. And so you know, that's
a huge delta that people are still dealing with. And
you know the biggest drivers of this are bad regulation.
You know, you're seeing the housing prices and the grocery prices,
and the energy price is really jumping in those Democrat
cities and states. But the other big drivers here are
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mass migration. You know, there was a study came out
last year showed that one hundred percent of the growth
in home prices in California and New York was due
to mass migration, and nationally it was sixty percent. So
this is something that the Trump administration is working to fix.
They just booted three hundred and fifty thousand Haitians out
of the country today. That the argument to keep the
Haitians here, by the way, from the left was that
the Haitians owned homes and had mortgages. Well they shouldn't
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own homes. They shouldn't have mortgages. American citizens should. So
you can make those arguments and say, look, a lot
of this is the left's fault. All of the prescriptions
they have for you, these socialist candidates are only going
to make the problem worse. And there is a problem
right now. We've done some good to fix it. We
got more good. That is, it's going to take a
little while to actually see the effects of that. And
they do have a weak point on the Iran war,
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because the Iran War hasn't actually driven up energy costs
all that much, but it could over time, and it's
bad optics and people just kind of viscerally feel it,
so you have to acknowledge the problem. Yeah, it is
hard out there in the economy, man, and the reasons
are mass migration, over regulation, not building houses, not democrats
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taking a long time to open up energy. And we're
fixing that right now. You've seen some good effects and
you've got more to come, but don't elect socialists in
the meantime.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Let's flip it to the other side, because you mentioned
the more neocondio conservative types who kind of seem like
they're on the outs. That's probably inevitable. The American people
don't care about foreign policy anymore when they're a little
bit more hard up. There's just the way it goes.
But it's impossible not to notice that the ven diagram
of people who wave their pom poms as hard as
possible to go to war with Iran are the exact
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same people who are telling everybody to shut up and
go make top ram and to all really just come
back to this, and honestly, I'm not even trying to
be insulting because some people have just different views of
the country. Does it come back to everything should be
messaged and packaged and talked about in such a way
that we can keep dropping bombs on Iran because that
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is the most important thing in the world.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
That is the direction.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Everything that can go, and everything that encourages that should
be should be loudly champion and everything that might hurt
that cause.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Should be slapped down immediately. Because that's how it seems.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Mike, the Neocon side is just completely tone deaf here.
And you know, you don't have to give up the
fact that America is a big empire. It's a global empire.
A lot of our economy and our society is actually
dependent upon our maintaining the global order. But this is
an unpopular war. That was true from the beginning, and
it's true now. People just look at it and with
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common sense they say, hold on, how come we can
afford all these missiles, but we can't afford to build
new housing in the United States. And I think the
Neocani side has made a huge error, which is to
preen and to come off as these sort of sneering
pedants to say, well, you just don't understand economics. You know,
why don't you just go make top ramen? Why don't
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you pull yourself up by your bootstraps. But it's also
politically wrong. They actually misunderstand politics because while yes, we
encourage individuals to hustle and do the best they can
and make something of themselves, we're talking talking about politics here,
and so you can't just ignore political solutions. You know,
we're willing to talk about grand strategy and political systems
when it comes to bombing the Middle East, but all
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of a sudden, when it comes to domestic strife, we say,
hands off, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. We're not
going to help you. That doesn't make sense. And there's
a deeply conservative insight that we get from Benjamin Disraeli
over in the UK, which is that the palace is
not safe when the cottage is unhappy. So you actually
do have to listen to the people. It is conservative
to be responsive to the people. Politics classically involves three parts,
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the logical part, the theumatic spirited part, and the competitive part.
That's why we our congressman get elected every two years.
They have to be very sensitive to what the people want.
And here the people are saying, look, we have a
lot of economic hardship. The worst possible thing you can
say to them is no, you don't. It's actually great.
Shut up, stop whining. You're a loser. It's political suicide.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And it's just not true. Okay.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
You know, In fact, a lot of the reason why
Republicans have gotten elected in recas years is because we
have appealed to ordinary, common sense concerns of the American people.
So to sell that now, you're going to see the
exact same effects that you saw the last time Republicans
did this in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
and that was Democrat rule for many years.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
This is part of my problem with those of us
tough me, everybody watching right now who get involved. And
I'm glad we're involved in knowledgeable and spend our time
online about political issues. We can obviously get way too
close to the forest to see the trees. Donald trumps
president again because of affordability and immigration.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
It's not because of Maha or my bad.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
It's not that didn't matter. It's not because of this
that issue. People couldn't afford stuff there matter. Democrats have
voted for Donald Trump, and there are certain inevitables. We
are going to get massacred at the mid terms. If
something is not done in the next few months, it
is inevitable. It can't be avoided. Another thing inevitable, it's
Jadi Vance. Donald Trump reporting out there today saying that JD.
Vance is going to be his guy, and there'll be
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all this weeping and gnashing of teeth. And I don't
like coronations either, but JD. Vance just won the primary.
If that's if he gets Trump's blessing, it's over. We'll
argue about it on Twitter and throw monkey poop at
each other. But again, this is one of those things
that's inevitable. There are things that are inevitable.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Yes, And you know, even with this shadow fight over Vance,
you've seen this big public campaign against Vans in recent weeks.
I think because some of the donor class, some of
the pundit kind of out of touch class, they don't
like JD. Vans for whatever reason. They think he's too
conservative or I don't know, he's not their kind of conservative.
So they were trying to get Rubio to run. There
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was no indication that Rubio wanted to run. They're trying
to create division between Vans and the President. But this
is really, in my mind, a replay of twenty sixteen.
It's in most cases all the very same people who
in twenty sixteen were running the Never Trump movement making
all the same arguments that they made against Trump back
in twenty sixteen. They're making against Vance now that he's
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betraying libertarian economics by leaning into economic populism, that he's
an isolation. They're insinuating that he harbors some kind of bigotry,
without any evidence really of that at all. They're suggesting
this as a betrayal of, you know, the sacred fusionist
Reagan coalition, which again I think that Trump and Bans
are really more heirs to the Reagan coalition than traders
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to it. But in any case, you know, history repeats
itself first as a tragedy then as farce. We are
seeing those same dynamics play out. That was always going
to happen at the end of the Trump era. But
Trump took over the GOP and the GOP voters wanted
him to do that, and so whoever Trump picks is
going to be the nominee. Seems to me that JD.
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Bans was the heir apparent from the minute he picked
him to be his running mate back in twenty twenty four.
And I hope the GOP gets in line. I hope
they don't just try to take.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Their ball and go home.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
But we're relitigating the same battle that was fought in
twenty sixteen, and I think Trump won a decisive victory there.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
So I think he gets to pick the nominee.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Let's which sides and start beating up on communists because
that's my favorite thing in the world. Chuck Schumer or
all these Democrats, really, they're all saying the same thing.
In response to these DSA comedy types winning primaries. They
keep going out and they say stuff like this.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
And menu, thank you.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Is the rise of the DSA. Good for your party.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
Look, we are a big tent party, and being a
big tent party is a strength, not a weakness.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
We can skip past all the obvious stuff. Chuck Schumer
is obviously terribly afraid of getting primaried and losing his
seat and all this other stuff. Michael, the DSA is inevitable.
I don't know why people can't see this coming. It's
not the future, it's the now. They will continue to
destroy all these Democrats. And this is the way the
Democrat Party is going, and there's nothing you or I
can do.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
To stop it.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
It's not just the way the Democrat Party is going,
it's the way the Democrat Party is. This to me
is the most obvious takeaway from these primaries that very
few people seem to be talking about, which is the
takeaway occurred before election day, and the takeaway is there's
really no difference betwe between the Democrat socialist candidates and
the ordinary mainstream establishment Democrat candidates.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Whether you look in.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
At Abdul Elsaiad, whether you're looking at krey Bush getting
beaten again, whether you're looking at really any of these candidates,
you see there's the radical DSA candidate and then the
more establishment candidate. But they agree on everything. They agree
on abolishing ice, they agree on transing the kids. They
agree on abortion up until the moment of birth or later.
They agree on amnesty for illegals, they agree on letting
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the criminals out of prison. They agree about basically everything.
Some of them have a little more spice to their
branding where they are overtly socialist, but the establishment Dems
and basically all of these races agreed with the Socialists
on all of their policies. So Chuck Schumer says, well,
you know, we're a big tent party here in the Democrats. No,
you're not. You're all exactly the same. You're all progressives
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slash socialists on policy matters, with a few mild disagreements
over I don't know how much money to give Disrael.
Some of them hate Israel a little bit more than
the others do. Some of them only want to train
the seven year olds rather than the five year olds.
But basically they all agree on everything. So yeah, it's
a big, wide tent of exactly the same people, and
the Democrats are getting what they have asked for and
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deserved for a long time. And it couldn't happen to
a nicer party.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Does it come down to this, and this is not
my term, but I'm gonna steal ex I don't know
who you have credit to that. It's basically a purity
death spiral. There is no there are no more guardrails.
You can't be too far left in any Democrat primary anywhere.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
There's no there's no longer some.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Elder powerful statesman to step in and say, okay, AOC,
shut your mouth and go back to the bronx for
a little while. That person doesn't exist, that entity doesn't
exist anymore.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
So now it's just left forever.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah, well it's because of their ideology. It's just because
of time playing out in their ideology. So you know,
the minute they embraced the feminism save the nineteen sixties,
which said that men and women are exactly the same,
basically the same. The minute you had that, you had
to get the gay rights movement because that was just
saying men and women are based the same. You had
to get same sex marriage because that just says men
and women are the same. Then you had to get transgenderism,
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which says the same thing. Then you have to trans
the kids. If transgenderism is possible in human nature, then
it could happen to a kid just as much as
it could happen to an adult. So there was this
kind of logic from their false premisses that meant they
were always going to get here so long as they
embrace this liberal ideology. And the Conservatives are in this
way lucky. The fact that we fight about burritos is
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actually a strength for the GOP because they are all
these different factions, the neocons and the libertarians, and the
traditionalists and the populists and the religious right, and on
and on and on. We say that obscure political monikers
are the right wing version of gender pronouns. But the
fact that you got all these ill groups here, they
all disagree with each other over like everything. They really
do have different philosophical premisses and ideological bases, and really
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what unites them is a common enemy. We don't want
the socialists to rise up. So that's great because within
the GOP you get all these old checks on some
of the ideological inclinations. The Dems don't have that, and
so Chuck Schumer doesn't want to get primary by AOC
or whoever the next socialist is in New York. But
when it comes to the real issues on immigration, on
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the economy, on transgenderism, on foreign wars, or whatever, there's
really no difference between him and a socialist. So in
that way, he's kind of made himself obsolete, and the
GOP doesn't have to face that. The only fear is
that we're going to get blown out in the midterms
by the most radical state of candidates, which are coming
from the left that we've ever had in the history
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of the United States.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Michael, you have a lapel mic on, but then you
have a mic stand sitting there and I can't help.
But wonder is the mic stand just a prop? Do
you have a prop mic in your studio? Is it functional?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
This is not.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Only functional, but it's very, very expensive. This mic is
my real mic. But I'm a good conservative, and I'm
always prepared for when the Libs try to cut my
pas clip my audio. Jesse, you will not lose me.
I will be backed up here. I have contingency after contingency.
They will not take me down.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I believe in you. Michael Knowles, Thank you, my brother.
I'm beg soup.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
The great Jeffrey Tucker he finished all those faucy diary documents,
and man, does he have a lot to say next.
We have to put our money where our morals are.
We've talked about that many many times before. But in
some ways are easy, in some ways are difficult. Wireless
(25:37):
is easy. Everybody has a cell phone. Everybody I do
you do? Everybody's got a cell phone? Now, shoot, we
got four of them in my house. The big wireless
companies are disgusting. They take your money and they fund
every putrid comy cause go look up your wireless company
in Pride month and then realize that you fund it.
(25:57):
That's a fact. You can switch to pure Talk. They're
on the same network. You're not sacrificing coverage, you're paying
less fraction of the cost of the big guys, and
your money's actually going to a company that is about veterans,
led by a Vietnam veteran, and they hire Americans.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Nobody does that anymore.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
But when you inevitably have to get a hold of
somebody at pure talk, you will speak to an American.
Go to pure talk dot com, slash jessetv and make
the switch.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Well he's back.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
He's like my favorite person in the world, and right
now he's just he's got to be giddy because Jeffrey Tucker,
who obsesses over things in ways that you or I
can only dream of, has actually finished the Faucy Diary.
I guess we're calling it. It's not a diary. That's
not what it is. I'm guilty of that too, calling
it that, But Jeffrey correctly scolded everybody.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
It's not really what it is.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
We're gonna ask him what it is and what else
is in there, because remember the first little bit of outrage,
that was a little teeny tiny fraction of what the
whole thing said. Joining me now, the wonderful Jeffrey Tucker, Jeffrey,
I hand you the floor.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
What else did you find?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Well, in the early January twenty twenty one, before the
shots were really released to the general public, he got
a warning from the world's most prominent virologist in the UK.
The delta variant had already arrived and a few days
later a said it's diminished the effectedness of vaccine. And
a few days later he came back and said, look,
you give this shot to people, it will be completely
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useless for stopping infection and spread. And so that's on
the record. And so Facci knew this, He knew it
going into it, and he pushed the product and mandated anyway.
And by the way, Fauci responded to him, well, I
guess we're just going to have to reformulate the shot,
and we're going to have to reformulate it. But he
(27:59):
didn't do anything it. He just went ahead with the
thing anyway. I mean, that's one of many revelations that
I think he exposes a darkness about Fasci that Eve
and I hadn't entirely understood.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Jeffrey, could you clarify something for me? The shot itself?
What was with the was it just? Did it just
come down to money? Big farm of money? Why were
so many people Fauci himself obsessed with pretending it worked,
lying about it working, pushing it onto everybody, pushing it
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on to children. I don't want to hear that it
hurts people. I don't want to hear that it doesn't
do this. It was all gas, no breaks on this
particular thing.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Does it just come down to greed?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Profits are part of it, no question, pharmaceutical power. But
there's the second factor that Fauci really wanted to put
in play, mRNA technology, because it would be the most
profitable tool in history.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
It's a kind of a technology that allows instantaneous printing.
More or less, I stick in this sequence of IRUs,
print out the product, job, job, the potion into people
at It could be use for anything. So he wanted
that online, and he had been working on that for
thirty years, and he never had a way to get
through the FDA, which would never have approved this product,
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so that in an emergency use situation, it became just
impossible to resist the chance to finally deploy his favorite thing,
which would make him go down history and the industry
make billions and chillions and dollars. But there's another factor
here too, and I think it's actually the dominant one.
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Everything that happened from late January all the way to
his resignation was about covering up the lab leak that
he himself had funded. He had found a secuitous way
to work with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and he
had hoped to pass off the resulting PLU the SARS
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Kobe two that came out of the lab with engineered
this by manipulated spike protein. He'd hoped to pass it
off as a bad flu year. That's why earlier. The
very first thing that happens in the notebooks of the
diaries I call them diaries too my objections. They're not
private diaries. They're written with staff, with large staff on
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government computers. The very first thing that happens is he
starts warning about a bad flu year. Now, why would
he do this? I think it's because he had hoped
that so he already knew about SARS Kobe two in
probably September October of twenty nineteen. But his hope was
that he because of the gradient of a act that
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mostly it was going to affect the elderly and the infirm,
that he could sort of bury the lab leak within
a sort of a larger framework of a bad flu year.
So he starts warning about a bad flu year, and
that's that was his hope. Now the problem came when
China released the sequence and started warning about this new
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virus and showing propaganda films and all sorts of things
like that. Now found she had a problem, which was
he will be considered the villain of the universe if
he was responsible for funding and creating this virus. That
was that was now got the world in panic. So
(31:45):
his so Plan A was to was to bury the
fatalities within a bad flu year. Plan B was to
lock down the country, create all sorts of chaos, censorship, uh,
you know, mitigate according to the the plans of the
craziest person you can believe, like Bill Gates, and then
(32:05):
wait for the shot. So the shot was his way
to convert his infamy into valor. And so he had
everything in that basket. He arrested everything on that So
when people started coming to him and said, look, I'm sorry,
you cannot outrun the mutations of a respiratory virus. It's
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not going to work, he had to put his fingers
in his ears and pretend like he wasn't hearing it.
So he tried to delay in demensity. That's what flattening
in the curve means. It means we're going to prolong
the pain as long as possible. We're going to keep
you from gaining natural immunities to this virus, and then
we're going to get a shot out there and then damn,
(32:49):
it is going to work. And I don't care what
you say, so he wouldn't listen to anybody tell him
it wasn't going to work. He thought, well, you know,
I'll generate studies as we usually do, with fake data,
fake causal inferences, and convince the public of the shots
of magic, when in fact they are useless, as he
(33:10):
was told. But he had no plans. Ce essentially that
was the problem. So that's why he leans so heavily
into the shots. And the idea is if he can
vaccinate as much as eighty or ninety percent of the population,
the pandemic goes away, as they all do, and then
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he would manipulate the data and claim credit for having
saved everybody in the planet so he can convert his
villainy into valor through these shots and these shots alone.
And as for the impact on kids, the resulting injuries
and death, the complete calamity that the spike protein caused,
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the health of the population, he just didn't carry. He
cared only about one thing, and that was Anthony Fauciine's
reputed This comes through very clearly in the diaries because
he spends I don't know, probably thirty forty of the
text talking about all the celebrities he's called, celebrity endorsements
he's collected, and the awards he's getting. He wanted to
(34:17):
make himself invulnerable, fool proof to criticism, make it impossible
for anybody in power to turn on him, so that
he was running a sort of a machinery of influencer
protection from the very early stages of this thing, all
(34:38):
the way to the last until Rand Paul and many
others were onto him. Up to that time, he was
able to dismiss me and other critics and the great
branch and declaration epidemiologists and everybody has cranks and fools
and get the national media to censor these people. At
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some point in twenty twenty two, his luck ran out
and he became grossly He became very unpopular, and when
the ruling class started blaming him for the low uptake
of the boosters and the decline and exceptions of his product,
(35:21):
then he got the worst result that anybody in a
sales job would have received, which is sort of bad numbers, right.
So at some point he was told to shut up
because he's actually diminishing a shot uptake, that his reputation
had declined to the point that he had to go,
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if only to save the industry that he himself created.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Jeffrey, It's not to set fauci aside, but there is something.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
As ang as were on.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
The subject of the shots and the timing in January,
those of us who were complete nerds about this, like
you and me, will remember that the shot itself, Donald
Trump Operation warp Speed one of the worst freaking things ever.
But be that as it may grease the skids to
get this thing on the market. But Big Pharma held
it back, held it back from the big announcement until
(36:16):
about five minutes after Donald Trump lost the election.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Why this was for entirely political reasons. Fauci recognized pretty
early on that his claim to media fame was to
serve as a kind of wink wink, nudge nudge. I'm
a foil to Trump. If you hate Trump, you should
love me. If you love me, celebrate me. Make baseball cards,
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make bibbleheads, make cupcakes out of my image, put me
on all your shows. That's your way of going after Trump.
So it was a kind of a just a very
stupid political ploy who was involved in media played along,
and he play and he knew exactly what he was doing.
(37:04):
This is why he would visibly signal the stain for
Trump behind his back. He was dealing with the media
in a kind of surreptitious way. He would call all
these top reporters and tell them he can't stand Trump.
Trump's monastery is an enemy, but if they celebrate him,
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then he'll continue to drive the economy into the ground,
destroy everybody's lives, keep everybody in panic, closed downtowns and
shut schools, and create the conditions that will allow for
Brilin ballots, which were authorized in March twelfth, twenty twenty,
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right in the thick of everything, and so that we
would use COVID, he Facci and together with the media
that hated Trump to to guarantee that he would lose
the election. The only thing that might have changed that
calculation would have been an early release of the shots,
for which trumperud get credits. So they were delayed and delayed,
(38:11):
and Fauci intervened even one time and sent U. Pfizer
back to true trials based on the bogus reason that
they were insufficiently racially diverse, just to just yeah, that's
a true story, just to delay the shots into half
the elections. So they had it all sewn up. And
(38:31):
and Fauci was cheered by the media that that that
hated Trump and and and feared what Trump stood for,
which is a kind of a populist revolution. Jesse I,
I there there is there. There was always a political
(38:53):
element to this, because the fingerprints are all over it.
Trump did the unprecedented thing two years prior, you recall,
in firing James Comy. Now the FBI is supposed to
be invulnerable to any kind of political intervention. The FBI
is supposed to be above it all the people aren't
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supposed to have any control over it. Trump arrived in
twenty sixteen thinking of himself.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
As the CEO, and.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Gradually got the sense that there was a government within
the government. He was ostensibly president, but he actually wasn't
in charge, and he was determined to take charge. Well,
the FBI kicked off an investigation of him as a
possible Russian agent, right, And when he got into this,
(39:43):
he just went after call me and said that you're
an idiot. When she fired but the job of firing
him fell to a Justice Department employee, an old time
bureaucrat who is otherwise quiet, named Rod Rosenstein. And so
he had to write the letter to firing Komi. So
that's sort of what kicked off the COVID thing. His
(40:06):
sister worked for the CDC. Her name is Nancy Messier,
and and it was she who on February twenty fourth,
of all of all times, gathered all the national media,
the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Writer's Bloomberg,
everybody and said, this virus is very bad. We are
(40:28):
going to lock down the country. We're going to close
the school's close the businesses, and it's the only way
to mitigate against this, this terrible thing. Now, she did
this without ever checking in with the White House. She
never asked Trump much less anybody else in the White
House except for a few people within the National Security
(40:51):
Security Council who were who were working with her on this,
on this grand plot. And that's what they whipped They
whipped up in the media and a complete frenzy. By
four days later, it was it.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Was a done deal.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Every media out was screaming about the deadly virus that
was in our midst and how we are going to
be all should just panic and stay home and start
spraying out groceries. Now, keep in mind the White House
wasn't involved at any level at this point, but so
things were already wildly out of his control. So by
the time they got to Trump himself, it was it
(41:28):
was a little more than a week later, it was
March ninth, and they had a full court press of
people he trusted. So people told him that Fauci is
a great guy. He needs to trust Fauci. Fauci knows
what it's about. He's not partisan, He's just a pure scientist.
Tucker Carlson of all people, was manipulated into going to
(41:49):
Trump and whispering in his ear. He was talked to
by a guy by the name of I can't prove this,
but I'm almost certain of his name is Matt Poder
who he's one of these guys who was a kind
of China Hawk and trusted within conservative circles. He got
to Tuck Cross and Tuck Cross and got to Fauci
and then ever, the omni present Jared Kushner was there too,
(42:18):
with his friends in the tech biotech industry, data industry,
who assured the president locking down the country was the
way to go. And there's one more piece of the puzzle,
namely the vice president. So Pence was all over it. Yeah,
miss President, you got a locked down the country. So
he was completely outnumbered by everybody around him, and of
(42:39):
course Fauci and Burghs were all over the place, so
he didn't know anybody who had any doubts about this,
and he greenlighted it on March the tenth, and that's
when the mail in ballots were authorized. That's when the
emergency came along. That's when the prep Pact was invoked.
On March thirteenth, and then then he gave his catastrop
(43:00):
of a press conference on March sixteenth, in which he
didn't entirely know what the press conference was about, other
than to say, don't worry about it. We're going to
do our best of this virus. We've got the best people.
And it was Fauci at that press conference who rocked
up to the microphone and read from a sheet that
(43:20):
said you have to close your bars and restaurants and
schools and not gather with anybody that within six six feet,
so that which had effect closed the churches too, So
he did this at the press conference. At that press conference,
there's a weird thing that happened. While Fauchi was reading
the sentence to which Trump would surely object, somebody in
(43:44):
the audience got Trump's attention, and Trump wasn't actually listening.
He was saying hi to somebody in the audience, and
the sentence and ended. Trump got re engaged, got back
up to the microphone, started taking questions. So that's how
that fell out. Now, it was less than a month
later that he realized what was going on. It was
(44:07):
March twenty third. We know this from Fauci's notebooks. Towards
an autobiography that we're calling the Diaries. March twenty third,
Trump called in Deborah Buggs into his office and said,
you and doctor Fauci have betrayed me. You've lied to me.
You're destroying the country. Everything you said was wrong. You
gave terrible advice. I never want to hear from you again,
(44:30):
your horrible people for what you've done to me and
to the country. That was April twenty third, So from
that point on, Trump is ready to clean house. But
then it became very difficult because that's when the media
celebrations of Fauci kicked up, and the plot was to
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make him essentially unfine, firable, invulnerable, indispensable to the nation's response.
So Trump was in many ways sort of trapped, and
it took him a long time before he thought his
way out of this trap. It was all the way
until August when he finally tapped somebody with a different
(45:14):
point of view, and that was of course, Scott Alice.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Jeffrey, thank you for keeping this on. But it's really
really important that we never forget. Thank you, my friend.
All right, final thoughts next, I'm glad we just got
to talk to Jeffrey Tucker, because it drives home the
fact how much these people are simply destroyers and how
nefarious they are about destruction. It's what communists do, it's
(45:41):
what democrats do, and they do it on purpose, and
they don't care that it's hurting people, hurting kids, killing people,
that it never crosses their mind. So don't, ever, under
any circumstances let any of these people reimagine anything for you. Ever,
they do not have your best interest at heart. We'll
do it again.
Speaker 6 (46:03):
Mm hmmm
They know that that's not a great sell. So you
can't have Betty Crocker on there selling it like that
every night. So instead you reimagine it when it comes
to issues like this, man does it not land well
to get on the news and say it's an A
plus economy.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Now, the problem came when China released the sequence and
started warning about this new virus and showing propaganda films
and all sorts of things like that. Now Fauci had
a problem.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
So just quickly, because we have a bunch to get to.
Michael Knowles is going to join us as we're going
to talk about affordability and infighting on the right. Jeffrey
Tucker is going to join us. We'll talk about more
about the Fauci stuff. He finished reading all that fauchery
Fauci diary notebooks that we're going to get to all
those things in the show. But I wanted to remind
you of something that we can never forget, and it's
(00:55):
easy to lose sight of this.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I want to remind you.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
That the Communists, it's not just that he lies all
the time.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
It's not just that it's that his.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Lies serve a purpose, a very important purpose. He's not
like one of these people who just lies for fun.
You know, I used to know a guy like this.
I used to work with a guy like this, and
he would whatever sport you were doing. You could be
shooting pool, and he would tell you he used to
play professionally. I'm not kidding. Told me one time that
he used to play professional corn hole. Like there's no
(01:26):
purpose for that. He's just just a liar. But communists
don't operate in that way. The reason they lie all
the time about everything is they have very evil plans
for you and your country and everything you care about.
And what's more, they know these plans are evil. They
know these plans are destructive, and they know that you
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don't want that. Who looks around and says, man, I
hope someone would come along and just burn all this
stuff down. People don't want it. So if people don't
want what you're selling, make yourself a sleazy used car salesman.
If people don't want that pontiac sitting there because they
think it's going to break down, and let's say you
(02:13):
don't have any morals at all, your only care is
the sale itself, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
You lie? Just lie?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Lies are required if you're a communist. Now how you
lie is important as wow. You see, they'll take the
most despicable things, horrible things in the world, and what
they'll do is they'll pull it, they'll focus group it,
they'll massage the words as much as possible to make
(02:43):
whatever demonic thing they're doing sounds not that bad or
almost almost nice. A great example of this is women's
reproductive rights.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
What are they talking about? Butchering on born babies?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
That's what it is, butchering on moren babies, snipping off
their heads and killing unborn babies.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
But that's a tough cell, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
How many people do you know want to talk about
snipping off a baby's head?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Not many?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
But women's reproductive right? So that sounds good. I like
women's rights. One of the words that needs to set
off alarms in your head every single time you hear
it is when they use a term they love so much,
and that term is reimagine, reimagine, reimagine. They're always reimagining something.
(03:31):
We need to reimagine this and reimagine capitalism and reimagine this.
All reimagine means is destroyed. Reimagine means destroyed. Period now
destroy is a hard cell. Reimagine and the love they
love it.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Reimagining impact requires leaders who will reimagine and who will
be unafraid to do so. We need local communities to
reimagine policing.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
We imagine what safety for all looks like. We have
got to in America reimagine how we are accomplishing public safety.
This will be a moment to reimagine, reinvent, and recreate it.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Right now, the mayor is carrying out trying to reimagine
public safety and get us out of this process of
just thinking police officers is what is needed as public safety,
but thinking about the other pieces of it. In Minneapolis,
I think is on the right track at the moment.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
What do we do to make life better for everybody?
We certainly have enough. I mean, we just created the
most number of billionaires in the history of the world.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
You know, we have enough.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
We could do this, but it's going to take some imagination,
reimagining of what America is, what our economic system is,
because what's clear is it's not working and it's not sustainable.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Isn't it wild?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
How often they say and you'll hear it again and
the next time you hear it. You're going to sit
up in your chair now. Just remember this part before
we go to Michael. When they say reimagine, this is
what they mean.
Speaker 7 (05:14):
So we're gonna put up on the screen a few
of the things that are part of your platform, and
I want to ask you just give me sort of
a true false on these. Abolish the Senate.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
True okay.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
Replace the Presidency and Supreme Court as we now know them.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
Abolish ice. Absolutely, abolish borders, and give amnesty to anyone
currently in the US illegally as a long term plan.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
Defund the Pentagon. Absolutely, abolish prisons, at least in large part.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Again, that is part of a long term program.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
Yeah, okay, So no prisons, government or public ownership of
most large corporations.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, that's what they mean.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
They know that that's not a great sell. So you
can't have Betty Crocker on there selling it like that
every night, so.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Instead you reimagine it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
All right, we're going to go talk to Michael about
all kinds of things. Affordability, what's the future primary look
like in twenty twenty eight, and more? Hang on, here's
what sucks about our te levels I'm just going to
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in nineteen sixty he didn't have to be proactive.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
He didn't We didn't have water that.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Was full of estrogen, and he could just be a
dude and everything would work out fine. We don't live
in that world anymore. We have synthetic estrogens in the
water supply. The result of that is fifty years, we've
lost fifty percent of our testosterone half half. We won't
continue as a country if this trend continues. So what
(07:02):
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be it from me to do much reading of the
Daily Beast. I mean, honestly, I can hardly read anyway,
but the headline did jump out at me. Advance fat
(07:44):
shames a maga.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Ally in Bonker's meltdown. That sounds awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Joining me now, my friend Michael Knowles, of course, of
the wonderful Michael Knowles show. Michael, there's been all kinds
of a hubb eight hours on affordability.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
This an affordability that?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And is the country just hopelessly screwed and can't afford
anything anymore? Is it just that you're not pulling yourself
up by your bootstraps enough.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I hand the whole thing over to you. What's your
take on all this? Well, thank you, sir.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
The entire conservative movement was at each other's throats yesterday
over a burrito. They were at each other's burritos, which
sounds evocative and kind of gross. But the reason for this,
it came out in that what you're there and there.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
There she is?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Yeah, right, that's I was at the burrito this morning too.
The reason for this, as you alluded to with the
JD Vance Mark Tiesen fight, was because you had these
two camps of the conservative movement fighting all day. You
had Andrew Colvett versus who was a Joel Berry. You
had Ben Shapiro versus Matt Walsh, and it was essentially
(08:52):
the libertarian and the more neo Connie side versus the
populists and the more traditionalist side. And the question not
just about burritos. It was not just about the economy.
It was how should we react when normal people complain
about the economy, and normal people are entirely banished from
political twitter and politics generally. So the more libertarian Neoconi
(09:16):
side said that the way we should react is by
calling them a bunch of stupid ingrades who should just
eat Ramen noodles, and the more populist traditionalist side said
the way that we should react is by I really
want to end the Iran war. So I think both
sides were kind of speaking past each other a little bit.
I do have a lot of sympathy, though, for the
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more trad and kind of populist side, which doesn't always
worship at the altar of the free market, likes free markets,
but recognizes that markets serve people, and when people say
they're having trouble paying the bills, we should listen to
them because this is a democracy and you're supposed to
show respect to your constituents. And I go back to
my buddy Ben Shapiro, who you know. He's making all
these points about how grocery prices actually haven't risen all
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that much in reason and years of the rose a
lot during COVID, and there are other bad economic indicators.
But Ben loves to say facts don't care about your feelings,
which is totally true. The problem is that politics exclusively
cares about your feelings. And so I think Vance made
a great point on Laura Ingram show, which is he said, look,
socialism is evil. We don't want socialism. A lot of
people are voting for socialists right now because the socialists
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are talking about affordability. So if you want to avoid socialism,
the thing you have to do is talk about the
economic hardship that people are feeling and then channel it
in a good direction. And the main way that we
should do that is blame the immigrants, because it's basically
all their fault.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Not necessarily wrong on that.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
My problem with this with so much of this debate, Michael,
because there are great points on both sides, and like
you said, a lot of people just have agendas and
it's just monkeys too, and poop at each other. I'm
not worried about that, but there are good points to
be had. My problem, honestly, it comes clear from the top, Michael,
honestly with Donald Trump himself, is how we're messaging the
fact that people remember what it was like five six
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years ago to afford more things. This is not fifty
years ago. Five or six years ago, you could afford
more than you can afford now. The American people hated
it with the fire of a thousand suns when Joe
Biden would go to the camera and tell them how
great they had it. It's great, economy's great if you
guys just starren't reporting on it. They hated it because
you don't kick dirt in someone's face when they're down
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and tell them how great it is. I understand full
well that it is Donald Trump's way. Everything's the best ever,
the best looking ever, the greatest ever, the golden I
understand that that's his way, and I like it.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
When it comes to issues like this, man does it
not land well to get on the news and say
it's an A plus economy, golden age, stock market's never
been higher. If you're sitting at home crying about your
grocery bill.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
That doesn't land. Well, no it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
And so I think actually the administration has a pretty
good argument to make here, but they have to acknowledge
the problem because the socialists are making hay on it.
And what the Trump administration can say is, look, the
cost of groceries actually hasn't risen all that much over
the last two years. But it did rise a ton
during the Biden years.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
It did.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
The inflation was massive, and so you're feeling that it's
not it doesn't go in the other direction. The price
has never really come down. So we're working on that.
But the biggest drivers of costs right now, it's not
actually the burritos. It's not exactly your groceries. So some
groceries are more expensive. The biggest driver of costs is housing.
I mean, that's where you're really seeing housing jump from
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I think it was twenty nineteen to twenty twenty four.
Housing jumped up like thirty percent in prices, but wages
only rose about nine percent. And so you know, that's
a huge delta that people are still dealing with. And
you know the biggest drivers of this are bad regulation.
You know, you're seeing the housing prices and the grocery prices,
and the energy price is really jumping in those Democrat
cities and states. But the other big drivers here are
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mass migration. You know, there was a study came out
last year showed that one hundred percent of the growth
in home prices in California and New York was due
to mass migration, and nationally it was sixty percent. So
this is something that the Trump administration is working to fix.
They just booted three hundred and fifty thousand Haitians out
of the country today. That the argument to keep the
Haitians here, by the way, from the left was that
the Haitians owned homes and had mortgages. Well they shouldn't
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own homes. They shouldn't have mortgages. American citizens should. So
you can make those arguments and say, look, a lot
of this is the left's fault. All of the prescriptions
they have for you, these socialist candidates are only going
to make the problem worse. And there is a problem
right now. We've done some good to fix it. We
got more good. That is, it's going to take a
little while to actually see the effects of that. And
they do have a weak point on the Iran war,
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because the Iran War hasn't actually driven up energy costs
all that much, but it could over time, and it's
bad optics and people just kind of viscerally feel it,
so you have to acknowledge the problem. Yeah, it is
hard out there in the economy, man, and the reasons
are mass migration, over regulation, not building houses, not democrats
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taking a long time to open up energy. And we're
fixing that right now. You've seen some good effects and
you've got more to come, but don't elect socialists in
the meantime.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Let's flip it to the other side, because you mentioned
the more neocondio conservative types who kind of seem like
they're on the outs. That's probably inevitable. The American people
don't care about foreign policy anymore when they're a little
bit more hard up. There's just the way it goes.
But it's impossible not to notice that the ven diagram
of people who wave their pom poms as hard as
possible to go to war with Iran are the exact
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same people who are telling everybody to shut up and
go make top ram and to all really just come
back to this, and honestly, I'm not even trying to
be insulting because some people have just different views of
the country. Does it come back to everything should be
messaged and packaged and talked about in such a way
that we can keep dropping bombs on Iran because that
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is the most important thing in the world.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
That is the direction.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Everything that can go, and everything that encourages that should
be should be loudly champion and everything that might hurt
that cause.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Should be slapped down immediately. Because that's how it seems.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Mike, the Neocon side is just completely tone deaf here.
And you know, you don't have to give up the
fact that America is a big empire. It's a global empire.
A lot of our economy and our society is actually
dependent upon our maintaining the global order. But this is
an unpopular war. That was true from the beginning, and
it's true now. People just look at it and with
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common sense they say, hold on, how come we can
afford all these missiles, but we can't afford to build
new housing in the United States. And I think the
Neocani side has made a huge error, which is to
preen and to come off as these sort of sneering
pedants to say, well, you just don't understand economics. You know,
why don't you just go make top ramen? Why don't
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you pull yourself up by your bootstraps. But it's also
politically wrong. They actually misunderstand politics because while yes, we
encourage individuals to hustle and do the best they can
and make something of themselves, we're talking talking about politics here,
and so you can't just ignore political solutions. You know,
we're willing to talk about grand strategy and political systems
when it comes to bombing the Middle East, but all
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of a sudden, when it comes to domestic strife, we say,
hands off, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. We're not
going to help you. That doesn't make sense. And there's
a deeply conservative insight that we get from Benjamin Disraeli
over in the UK, which is that the palace is
not safe when the cottage is unhappy. So you actually
do have to listen to the people. It is conservative
to be responsive to the people. Politics classically involves three parts,
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the logical part, the theumatic spirited part, and the competitive part.
That's why we our congressman get elected every two years.
They have to be very sensitive to what the people want.
And here the people are saying, look, we have a
lot of economic hardship. The worst possible thing you can
say to them is no, you don't. It's actually great.
Shut up, stop whining. You're a loser. It's political suicide.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
And it's just not true. Okay.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
You know, In fact, a lot of the reason why
Republicans have gotten elected in recas years is because we
have appealed to ordinary, common sense concerns of the American people.
So to sell that now, you're going to see the
exact same effects that you saw the last time Republicans
did this in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
and that was Democrat rule for many years.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
This is part of my problem with those of us
tough me, everybody watching right now who get involved. And
I'm glad we're involved in knowledgeable and spend our time
online about political issues. We can obviously get way too
close to the forest to see the trees. Donald trumps
president again because of affordability and immigration.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
It's not because of Maha or my bad.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
It's not that didn't matter. It's not because of this
that issue. People couldn't afford stuff there matter. Democrats have
voted for Donald Trump, and there are certain inevitables. We
are going to get massacred at the mid terms. If
something is not done in the next few months, it
is inevitable. It can't be avoided. Another thing inevitable, it's
Jadi Vance. Donald Trump reporting out there today saying that JD.
Vance is going to be his guy, and there'll be
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all this weeping and gnashing of teeth. And I don't
like coronations either, but JD. Vance just won the primary.
If that's if he gets Trump's blessing, it's over. We'll
argue about it on Twitter and throw monkey poop at
each other. But again, this is one of those things
that's inevitable. There are things that are inevitable.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Yes, And you know, even with this shadow fight over Vance,
you've seen this big public campaign against Vans in recent weeks.
I think because some of the donor class, some of
the pundit kind of out of touch class, they don't
like JD. Vans for whatever reason. They think he's too
conservative or I don't know, he's not their kind of conservative.
So they were trying to get Rubio to run. There
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was no indication that Rubio wanted to run. They're trying
to create division between Vans and the President. But this
is really, in my mind, a replay of twenty sixteen.
It's in most cases all the very same people who
in twenty sixteen were running the Never Trump movement making
all the same arguments that they made against Trump back
in twenty sixteen. They're making against Vance now that he's
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betraying libertarian economics by leaning into economic populism, that he's
an isolation. They're insinuating that he harbors some kind of bigotry,
without any evidence really of that at all. They're suggesting
this as a betrayal of, you know, the sacred fusionist
Reagan coalition, which again I think that Trump and Bans
are really more heirs to the Reagan coalition than traders
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to it. But in any case, you know, history repeats
itself first as a tragedy then as farce. We are
seeing those same dynamics play out. That was always going
to happen at the end of the Trump era. But
Trump took over the GOP and the GOP voters wanted
him to do that, and so whoever Trump picks is
going to be the nominee. Seems to me that JD.
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Bans was the heir apparent from the minute he picked
him to be his running mate back in twenty twenty four.
And I hope the GOP gets in line. I hope
they don't just try to take.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Their ball and go home.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
But we're relitigating the same battle that was fought in
twenty sixteen, and I think Trump won a decisive victory there.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
So I think he gets to pick the nominee.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Let's which sides and start beating up on communists because
that's my favorite thing in the world. Chuck Schumer or
all these Democrats, really, they're all saying the same thing.
In response to these DSA comedy types winning primaries. They
keep going out and they say stuff like this.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
And menu, thank you.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Is the rise of the DSA. Good for your party.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
Look, we are a big tent party, and being a
big tent party is a strength, not a weakness.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
We can skip past all the obvious stuff. Chuck Schumer
is obviously terribly afraid of getting primaried and losing his
seat and all this other stuff. Michael, the DSA is inevitable.
I don't know why people can't see this coming. It's
not the future, it's the now. They will continue to
destroy all these Democrats. And this is the way the
Democrat Party is going, and there's nothing you or I
can do.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
To stop it.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
It's not just the way the Democrat Party is going,
it's the way the Democrat Party is. This to me
is the most obvious takeaway from these primaries that very
few people seem to be talking about, which is the
takeaway occurred before election day, and the takeaway is there's
really no difference betwe between the Democrat socialist candidates and
the ordinary mainstream establishment Democrat candidates.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Whether you look in.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
At Abdul Elsaiad, whether you're looking at krey Bush getting
beaten again, whether you're looking at really any of these candidates,
you see there's the radical DSA candidate and then the
more establishment candidate. But they agree on everything. They agree
on abolishing ice, they agree on transing the kids. They
agree on abortion up until the moment of birth or later.
They agree on amnesty for illegals, they agree on letting
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the criminals out of prison. They agree about basically everything.
Some of them have a little more spice to their
branding where they are overtly socialist, but the establishment Dems
and basically all of these races agreed with the Socialists
on all of their policies. So Chuck Schumer says, well,
you know, we're a big tent party here in the Democrats. No,
you're not. You're all exactly the same. You're all progressives
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slash socialists on policy matters, with a few mild disagreements
over I don't know how much money to give Disrael.
Some of them hate Israel a little bit more than
the others do. Some of them only want to train
the seven year olds rather than the five year olds.
But basically they all agree on everything. So yeah, it's
a big, wide tent of exactly the same people, and
the Democrats are getting what they have asked for and
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deserved for a long time. And it couldn't happen to
a nicer party.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Does it come down to this, and this is not
my term, but I'm gonna steal ex I don't know
who you have credit to that. It's basically a purity
death spiral. There is no there are no more guardrails.
You can't be too far left in any Democrat primary anywhere.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
There's no there's no longer some.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Elder powerful statesman to step in and say, okay, AOC,
shut your mouth and go back to the bronx for
a little while. That person doesn't exist, that entity doesn't
exist anymore.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
So now it's just left forever.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah, well it's because of their ideology. It's just because
of time playing out in their ideology. So you know,
the minute they embraced the feminism save the nineteen sixties,
which said that men and women are exactly the same,
basically the same. The minute you had that, you had
to get the gay rights movement because that was just
saying men and women are based the same. You had
to get same sex marriage because that just says men
and women are the same. Then you had to get transgenderism,
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which says the same thing. Then you have to trans
the kids. If transgenderism is possible in human nature, then
it could happen to a kid just as much as
it could happen to an adult. So there was this
kind of logic from their false premisses that meant they
were always going to get here so long as they
embrace this liberal ideology. And the Conservatives are in this
way lucky. The fact that we fight about burritos is
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actually a strength for the GOP because they are all
these different factions, the neocons and the libertarians, and the
traditionalists and the populists and the religious right, and on
and on and on. We say that obscure political monikers
are the right wing version of gender pronouns. But the
fact that you got all these ill groups here, they
all disagree with each other over like everything. They really
do have different philosophical premisses and ideological bases, and really
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what unites them is a common enemy. We don't want
the socialists to rise up. So that's great because within
the GOP you get all these old checks on some
of the ideological inclinations. The Dems don't have that, and
so Chuck Schumer doesn't want to get primary by AOC
or whoever the next socialist is in New York. But
when it comes to the real issues on immigration, on
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the economy, on transgenderism, on foreign wars, or whatever, there's
really no difference between him and a socialist. So in
that way, he's kind of made himself obsolete, and the
GOP doesn't have to face that. The only fear is
that we're going to get blown out in the midterms
by the most radical state of candidates, which are coming
from the left that we've ever had in the history
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of the United States.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Michael, you have a lapel mic on, but then you
have a mic stand sitting there and I can't help.
But wonder is the mic stand just a prop? Do
you have a prop mic in your studio? Is it functional?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
This is not.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Only functional, but it's very, very expensive. This mic is
my real mic. But I'm a good conservative, and I'm
always prepared for when the Libs try to cut my
pas clip my audio. Jesse, you will not lose me.
I will be backed up here. I have contingency after contingency.
They will not take me down.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I believe in you. Michael Knowles, Thank you, my brother.
I'm beg soup.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
The great Jeffrey Tucker he finished all those faucy diary documents,
and man, does he have a lot to say next.
We have to put our money where our morals are.
We've talked about that many many times before. But in
some ways are easy, in some ways are difficult. Wireless
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is easy. Everybody has a cell phone. Everybody I do
you do? Everybody's got a cell phone? Now, shoot, we
got four of them in my house. The big wireless
companies are disgusting. They take your money and they fund
every putrid comy cause go look up your wireless company
in Pride month and then realize that you fund it.
(25:57):
That's a fact. You can switch to pure Talk. They're
on the same network. You're not sacrificing coverage, you're paying
less fraction of the cost of the big guys, and
your money's actually going to a company that is about veterans,
led by a Vietnam veteran, and they hire Americans.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Nobody does that anymore.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
But when you inevitably have to get a hold of
somebody at pure talk, you will speak to an American.
Go to pure talk dot com, slash jessetv and make
the switch.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Well he's back.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
He's like my favorite person in the world, and right
now he's just he's got to be giddy because Jeffrey Tucker,
who obsesses over things in ways that you or I
can only dream of, has actually finished the Faucy Diary.
I guess we're calling it. It's not a diary. That's
not what it is. I'm guilty of that too, calling
it that, But Jeffrey correctly scolded everybody.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
It's not really what it is.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
We're gonna ask him what it is and what else
is in there, because remember the first little bit of outrage,
that was a little teeny tiny fraction of what the
whole thing said. Joining me now, the wonderful Jeffrey Tucker, Jeffrey,
I hand you the floor.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
What else did you find?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Well, in the early January twenty twenty one, before the
shots were really released to the general public, he got
a warning from the world's most prominent virologist in the UK.
The delta variant had already arrived and a few days
later a said it's diminished the effectedness of vaccine. And
a few days later he came back and said, look,
you give this shot to people, it will be completely
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useless for stopping infection and spread. And so that's on
the record. And so Facci knew this, He knew it
going into it, and he pushed the product and mandated anyway.
And by the way, Fauci responded to him, well, I
guess we're just going to have to reformulate the shot,
and we're going to have to reformulate it. But he
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didn't do anything it. He just went ahead with the
thing anyway. I mean, that's one of many revelations that
I think he exposes a darkness about Fasci that Eve
and I hadn't entirely understood.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Jeffrey, could you clarify something for me? The shot itself?
What was with the was it just? Did it just
come down to money? Big farm of money? Why were
so many people Fauci himself obsessed with pretending it worked,
lying about it working, pushing it onto everybody, pushing it
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on to children. I don't want to hear that it
hurts people. I don't want to hear that it doesn't
do this. It was all gas, no breaks on this
particular thing.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Does it just come down to greed?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Profits are part of it, no question, pharmaceutical power. But
there's the second factor that Fauci really wanted to put
in play, mRNA technology, because it would be the most
profitable tool in history.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
It's a kind of a technology that allows instantaneous printing.
More or less, I stick in this sequence of IRUs,
print out the product, job, job, the potion into people
at It could be use for anything. So he wanted
that online, and he had been working on that for
thirty years, and he never had a way to get
through the FDA, which would never have approved this product,
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so that in an emergency use situation, it became just
impossible to resist the chance to finally deploy his favorite thing,
which would make him go down history and the industry
make billions and chillions and dollars. But there's another factor
here too, and I think it's actually the dominant one.
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Everything that happened from late January all the way to
his resignation was about covering up the lab leak that
he himself had funded. He had found a secuitous way
to work with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and he
had hoped to pass off the resulting PLU the SARS
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Kobe two that came out of the lab with engineered
this by manipulated spike protein. He'd hoped to pass it
off as a bad flu year. That's why earlier. The
very first thing that happens in the notebooks of the
diaries I call them diaries too my objections. They're not
private diaries. They're written with staff, with large staff on
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government computers. The very first thing that happens is he
starts warning about a bad flu year. Now, why would
he do this? I think it's because he had hoped
that so he already knew about SARS Kobe two in
probably September October of twenty nineteen. But his hope was
that he because of the gradient of a act that
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mostly it was going to affect the elderly and the infirm,
that he could sort of bury the lab leak within
a sort of a larger framework of a bad flu year.
So he starts warning about a bad flu year, and
that's that was his hope. Now the problem came when
China released the sequence and started warning about this new
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virus and showing propaganda films and all sorts of things
like that. Now found she had a problem, which was
he will be considered the villain of the universe if
he was responsible for funding and creating this virus. That
was that was now got the world in panic. So
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his so Plan A was to was to bury the
fatalities within a bad flu year. Plan B was to
lock down the country, create all sorts of chaos, censorship, uh,
you know, mitigate according to the the plans of the
craziest person you can believe, like Bill Gates, and then
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wait for the shot. So the shot was his way
to convert his infamy into valor. And so he had
everything in that basket. He arrested everything on that So
when people started coming to him and said, look, I'm sorry,
you cannot outrun the mutations of a respiratory virus. It's
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not going to work, he had to put his fingers
in his ears and pretend like he wasn't hearing it.
So he tried to delay in demensity. That's what flattening
in the curve means. It means we're going to prolong
the pain as long as possible. We're going to keep
you from gaining natural immunities to this virus, and then
we're going to get a shot out there and then damn,
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it is going to work. And I don't care what
you say, so he wouldn't listen to anybody tell him
it wasn't going to work. He thought, well, you know,
I'll generate studies as we usually do, with fake data,
fake causal inferences, and convince the public of the shots
of magic, when in fact they are useless, as he
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was told. But he had no plans. Ce essentially that
was the problem. So that's why he leans so heavily
into the shots. And the idea is if he can
vaccinate as much as eighty or ninety percent of the population,
the pandemic goes away, as they all do, and then
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he would manipulate the data and claim credit for having
saved everybody in the planet so he can convert his
villainy into valor through these shots and these shots alone.
And as for the impact on kids, the resulting injuries
and death, the complete calamity that the spike protein caused,
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the health of the population, he just didn't carry. He
cared only about one thing, and that was Anthony Fauciine's
reputed This comes through very clearly in the diaries because
he spends I don't know, probably thirty forty of the
text talking about all the celebrities he's called, celebrity endorsements
he's collected, and the awards he's getting. He wanted to
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make himself invulnerable, fool proof to criticism, make it impossible
for anybody in power to turn on him, so that
he was running a sort of a machinery of influencer
protection from the very early stages of this thing, all
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the way to the last until Rand Paul and many
others were onto him. Up to that time, he was
able to dismiss me and other critics and the great
branch and declaration epidemiologists and everybody has cranks and fools
and get the national media to censor these people. At
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some point in twenty twenty two, his luck ran out
and he became grossly He became very unpopular, and when
the ruling class started blaming him for the low uptake
of the boosters and the decline and exceptions of his product,
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then he got the worst result that anybody in a
sales job would have received, which is sort of bad numbers, right.
So at some point he was told to shut up
because he's actually diminishing a shot uptake, that his reputation
had declined to the point that he had to go,
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if only to save the industry that he himself created.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Jeffrey, It's not to set fauci aside, but there is something.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
As ang as were on.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
The subject of the shots and the timing in January,
those of us who were complete nerds about this, like
you and me, will remember that the shot itself, Donald
Trump Operation warp Speed one of the worst freaking things ever.
But be that as it may grease the skids to
get this thing on the market. But Big Pharma held
it back, held it back from the big announcement until
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about five minutes after Donald Trump lost the election.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Why this was for entirely political reasons. Fauci recognized pretty
early on that his claim to media fame was to
serve as a kind of wink wink, nudge nudge. I'm
a foil to Trump. If you hate Trump, you should
love me. If you love me, celebrate me. Make baseball cards,
(36:43):
make bibbleheads, make cupcakes out of my image, put me
on all your shows. That's your way of going after Trump.
So it was a kind of a just a very
stupid political ploy who was involved in media played along,
and he play and he knew exactly what he was doing.
(37:04):
This is why he would visibly signal the stain for
Trump behind his back. He was dealing with the media
in a kind of surreptitious way. He would call all
these top reporters and tell them he can't stand Trump.
Trump's monastery is an enemy, but if they celebrate him,
(37:27):
then he'll continue to drive the economy into the ground,
destroy everybody's lives, keep everybody in panic, closed downtowns and
shut schools, and create the conditions that will allow for
Brilin ballots, which were authorized in March twelfth, twenty twenty,
(37:49):
right in the thick of everything, and so that we
would use COVID, he Facci and together with the media
that hated Trump to to guarantee that he would lose
the election. The only thing that might have changed that
calculation would have been an early release of the shots,
for which trumperud get credits. So they were delayed and delayed,
(38:11):
and Fauci intervened even one time and sent U. Pfizer
back to true trials based on the bogus reason that
they were insufficiently racially diverse, just to just yeah, that's
a true story, just to delay the shots into half
the elections. So they had it all sewn up. And
(38:31):
and Fauci was cheered by the media that that that
hated Trump and and and feared what Trump stood for,
which is a kind of a populist revolution. Jesse I,
I there there is there. There was always a political
(38:53):
element to this, because the fingerprints are all over it.
Trump did the unprecedented thing two years prior, you recall,
in firing James Comy. Now the FBI is supposed to
be invulnerable to any kind of political intervention. The FBI
is supposed to be above it all the people aren't
(39:13):
supposed to have any control over it. Trump arrived in
twenty sixteen thinking of himself.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
As the CEO, and.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Gradually got the sense that there was a government within
the government. He was ostensibly president, but he actually wasn't
in charge, and he was determined to take charge. Well,
the FBI kicked off an investigation of him as a
possible Russian agent, right, And when he got into this,
(39:43):
he just went after call me and said that you're
an idiot. When she fired but the job of firing
him fell to a Justice Department employee, an old time
bureaucrat who is otherwise quiet, named Rod Rosenstein. And so
he had to write the letter to firing Komi. So
that's sort of what kicked off the COVID thing. His
(40:06):
sister worked for the CDC. Her name is Nancy Messier,
and and it was she who on February twenty fourth,
of all of all times, gathered all the national media,
the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Writer's Bloomberg,
everybody and said, this virus is very bad. We are
(40:28):
going to lock down the country. We're going to close
the school's close the businesses, and it's the only way
to mitigate against this, this terrible thing. Now, she did
this without ever checking in with the White House. She
never asked Trump much less anybody else in the White
House except for a few people within the National Security
(40:51):
Security Council who were who were working with her on this,
on this grand plot. And that's what they whipped They
whipped up in the media and a complete frenzy. By
four days later, it was it.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Was a done deal.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Every media out was screaming about the deadly virus that
was in our midst and how we are going to
be all should just panic and stay home and start
spraying out groceries. Now, keep in mind the White House
wasn't involved at any level at this point, but so
things were already wildly out of his control. So by
the time they got to Trump himself, it was it
(41:28):
was a little more than a week later, it was
March ninth, and they had a full court press of
people he trusted. So people told him that Fauci is
a great guy. He needs to trust Fauci. Fauci knows
what it's about. He's not partisan, He's just a pure scientist.
Tucker Carlson of all people, was manipulated into going to
(41:49):
Trump and whispering in his ear. He was talked to
by a guy by the name of I can't prove this,
but I'm almost certain of his name is Matt Poder
who he's one of these guys who was a kind
of China Hawk and trusted within conservative circles. He got
to Tuck Cross and Tuck Cross and got to Fauci
and then ever, the omni present Jared Kushner was there too,
(42:18):
with his friends in the tech biotech industry, data industry,
who assured the president locking down the country was the
way to go. And there's one more piece of the puzzle,
namely the vice president. So Pence was all over it. Yeah,
miss President, you got a locked down the country. So
he was completely outnumbered by everybody around him, and of
(42:39):
course Fauci and Burghs were all over the place, so
he didn't know anybody who had any doubts about this,
and he greenlighted it on March the tenth, and that's
when the mail in ballots were authorized. That's when the
emergency came along. That's when the prep Pact was invoked.
On March thirteenth, and then then he gave his catastrop
(43:00):
of a press conference on March sixteenth, in which he
didn't entirely know what the press conference was about, other
than to say, don't worry about it. We're going to
do our best of this virus. We've got the best people.
And it was Fauci at that press conference who rocked
up to the microphone and read from a sheet that
(43:20):
said you have to close your bars and restaurants and
schools and not gather with anybody that within six six feet,
so that which had effect closed the churches too, So
he did this at the press conference. At that press conference,
there's a weird thing that happened. While Fauchi was reading
the sentence to which Trump would surely object, somebody in
(43:44):
the audience got Trump's attention, and Trump wasn't actually listening.
He was saying hi to somebody in the audience, and
the sentence and ended. Trump got re engaged, got back
up to the microphone, started taking questions. So that's how
that fell out. Now, it was less than a month
later that he realized what was going on. It was
(44:07):
March twenty third. We know this from Fauci's notebooks. Towards
an autobiography that we're calling the Diaries. March twenty third,
Trump called in Deborah Buggs into his office and said,
you and doctor Fauci have betrayed me. You've lied to me.
You're destroying the country. Everything you said was wrong. You
gave terrible advice. I never want to hear from you again,
(44:30):
your horrible people for what you've done to me and
to the country. That was April twenty third, So from
that point on, Trump is ready to clean house. But
then it became very difficult because that's when the media
celebrations of Fauci kicked up, and the plot was to
(44:52):
make him essentially unfine, firable, invulnerable, indispensable to the nation's response.
So Trump was in many ways sort of trapped, and
it took him a long time before he thought his
way out of this trap. It was all the way
until August when he finally tapped somebody with a different
(45:14):
point of view, and that was of course, Scott Alice.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Jeffrey, thank you for keeping this on. But it's really
really important that we never forget. Thank you, my friend.
All right, final thoughts next, I'm glad we just got
to talk to Jeffrey Tucker, because it drives home the
fact how much these people are simply destroyers and how
nefarious they are about destruction. It's what communists do, it's
(45:41):
what democrats do, and they do it on purpose, and
they don't care that it's hurting people, hurting kids, killing people,
that it never crosses their mind. So don't, ever, under
any circumstances let any of these people reimagine anything for you. Ever,
they do not have your best interest at heart. We'll
do it again.
Speaker 6 (46:03):
Mm hmmm
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