Hour 2: The Battle of Long Island

A fighting retreat back to the Brooklyn Heights

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is a Jesse Kelly Show, The Jesse Kelly Show,
another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful Tuesday.
Are we going to get back to politics at some
point in time in the show. I don't know. Jewish
producer Chris is shaking his head already, which is a

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little disrespectful, because I might get back to it. Chris,
we have two hours left in the show, but we're
not doing it anymore of that right now. I don't
need you feeling any more bad than you already do
about the bad Supreme Court ruling from today. I made
a promise to you, and I'm going to deliver on
said promise. Yesterday, after Medal of Honor Monday hour two,

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we began our American Revolutionary War story. This is about
the Battle of Long Island. Yesterday, though we touched on
the Battle of Bunker Hill. I didn't do that just
to add some fluff to the story. I did that
because what happened at Bunker Hill with the Brits charging

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dug in Americans on fortified heights, is going to play
a huge role in what happens today the Battle of
Long Island. And I want you to keep this in
the back of your mind. What's happening in this story
is the reason we are about to celebrate two hundred

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and fifty years as an independent nation. We were supposed
to lose the Revolutionary War. These colonies were taking on
the finest army in the world, and we should have lost.
Were it not for break avery, quick decisions, and the

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hand of Almighty God, the United States of America never exists.
Back to our story now, I told you yesterday. The
Brits end up winning the Battle of Bunker Hill, but
in the year that came after, they ended up having
to abandon the city of Boston. They had to abandon
it for a couple of different reasons. One of the

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main reasons is George Washington knew it was a critical city,
and he knew there were heights around it, and he
brought in big guns to look down on the city.
And there was just no way the Brits could defend
against that. They were gonna have cannon balls dropping on
their head day and night. You can't live like that.
So what do they do? They loaded up on the

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ships and took off. Where'd they go? Well, they went
where all losers go, Canada. No kidding. I didn't mean
to me that was a joke, or it was a joke,
but they did. They went up to Nova Scotia. They
packed it up and they went up to Nova Scotia.
Not to retreat, really, but to regroup. That's what they're doing.
They're regrouping, and they're trying to figure out, Okay, if

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we can't have Boston, where should we go. And I
touched on this yesterday. I will encourage you right now,
as I often do, to pull up a map. This
time I want you to do it right on your phone,
to look at a map of New York City. I
mentioned yesterday. New York itself colony was a loyalist stronghold.

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There were loyalist areas and there were revolutionary areas. This
was a place where the Brits were welcomed as liberators.
This was a safe place for them. So already, boom,
that's a big check mark in the New York thing
because they're looking at New York. Another part about New York.
Are you looking at that map? If not, don't worry
about it. Maybe you've been there, maybe you're listening to

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me right now on woor. But it's surrounded by water.
Wait a minute, what river it's at the east? Is
it the Hudson River? Hold on, it's the actual Atlantic Ocean.
Look at it. The island of Manhattan is surrounded by water.
It is a port city with water everywhere. If you

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are commanding the finest navy on planet Earth, New York
is made for you. Speaking of all that water, you're
looking at that map. If not, that's fine. Look at
that long strip of water running north from New York
man It's wide. What kind of a river is this

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that would be known as the Hudson River. If you
are commanding the finest navy in the world and you're
trying to take command of territory, right, you're trying to
take over territory. How much of an advantage do you
think it would be for you if you could take

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the Hudson River. You know, you have your ships going
up and down the Hudson River. What can't the other
side do? You can't go to and fro? You have
no idea if you're about to be fired upon? All right,
so you get it. New York is really really appealing,
specifically the island of Manhattan, but really all of it.
The Brits decide they want New York back to Washington.

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He has roughly there are number depending on what book
you read, you're going to get all kinds of different
numbers at this time, but troops in total, roughly nineteen
thousand in total. That's the Continental Army in total. Don't
think that these are all troops, though we mentioned it yesterday.

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These are militias. Yes, there are some experienced leaders, experienced officers,
and they're no question about it. But these are frontiersmen.
These are farmers, good shots, tough as nails, but they
don't have military discipline, they don't have military training, they
don't understand tactics, orders, and they disagree with each other.

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I mentioned yesterday, one colony won't follow orders from another colony.
Washington has to try to stitch this whole thing together,
and man, are they untrained. With one big exception, Maryland.
Maryland did things a little differently. Maryland's troops weren't a

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ton of them, about four hundred we're talking about here
for our story. But Maryland's troops trained a lot. Maryland's
troops had uniforms, uniforms. No one else had uniforms. Maryland's
troops had uniforms. Maryland's troops even had bayonets. The other

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colonials did not have bayonets. Maryland's troops took this quite seriously.
They took their training quite seriously. They took their shooting
quite serious. In fact, they were so serious. Nah, when
you read the tales of this, I would take it
as being a little jealous. But when the Maryland troops
showed up to camp, if you will, the other troops,

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the ragtaggers were making fun of them. Believe they called
them Dandy's was the word. Look at these guys and
their fancy uniforms and their polished muskets. I want you
to remember those American troops or those Maryland troops, if
you will, put them in your back pocket. They're gonna
play a key role here in this story. Now overall

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in the war, what are we dealing with here? Well,
I mentioned already yesterday that the Brits are stretched thin.
There's no question about that. I'm talking about the British
Empire in general. Yes, to the most powerful, powerful army
in the world. They don't have endless anything. This is
at a time where their empire is slowly on the decline.

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They're running out of money. They are handling putting out
fires all over the globe. They don't have endless anything,
so they are limited. But they still have a lot
more troops than we do, a lot better stuff, better training,
better equipment, obviously a much much better navy. So at
this point in time, what America is trying to do

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is not necessarily win. Don't get me wrong, we wanted
to win. We were trying not to lose. Washington and
the colonists understood that time was their friend. The longer
this went on, the more taxing it would be, if
you'll pardon the pund them, we're talking about the revolution.
The more taxing it would be on the Brits. The

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Americans would slowly, but surely hopefully get their act together.
Over time, getting their act together means better logistics, more troops,
better training. Your army gets bigger and better over time.
If you're one of the colonials the Brits, over time
they get worn down, the Crown gets tired of it.

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For the Americans, if you told George Washington at this moment,
I can guess. I can't talk to him, but I
can only guess from what I read. If you told
George Washington at this moment. Hey, George, you'll have some
highs and lows, but three years from now you will
still have an army and you'll still be able to fight.
He would have signed up for that immediately. He wouldn't

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have even asked what the costs would be between then,
because in his mind, if I last three years, they're
worn down, I'm in a better spot. Time is my friend,
not their friend. We're trying not to lose. And George
Washington also understands though he can't let the Brits have

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whatever they want or he's going to lose. He knows
they want New York. He does not want them to
have New York. So he has to take the troops.
He does have an attempt to stop the Brits from
taking New York. The Brits to take New York sail
thirty two thousand men down there. I already told you

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how many George Washington had. It wasn't thirty two thousand,
and his men were militarily not what the Brits were.
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is the Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful, wonderful Tuesday.
Remember you can email the show Jesse at Jesse kellyshow
dot com back to our history story. The Brits want Manhattan.
The Brits want New York City. It's their port city,
it's their loyalist stronghold. They want it. George Washington knows
they want it. So the Brits they land a bunch

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of men close to it, thirty two thousand of them.
George Washington parks a bunch of men right there in Manhattan.
He's digging in, he's ready. But again, if you're looking
at a map, it would be helpful. But if not,
it's fine. This part is going to matter quite a
bit though, Long Island, Long Island, what is that? Well,

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I'm going to assume you're not looking at a map.
So we're gonna do this the way I love to
describe things. And I'm sorry, but these details are going
to matter. They're going to matter hugely for the story
we're about to tell. I want you to picture a clock, right,
you got a clock in front of you. Clock, let's
call Manhattan ten o'clock. Ten o'clock is Manhattan. Now, what

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we're gonna do is we're gonna walk through a couple
things directionally so you understand how this battle is going
to go. We're gonna move from ten o'clock and we're
moving down towards four o'clock. We're moving southeast. You with
me from ten o'clock. Directly southeast, that's known as the

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East River. That's going to matter a lot. All right,
let's get across the East River, still moving southeast. This area,
for the purposes of our story, is going to be
known as the Brooklyn Heights. Right, let's continue moving southeast.
I swear this is our last move southeast. From the

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Brooklyn Heights are other hills on Long Island. What does
George Washington do? He sends roughly, again, there are reinforcements
that come and go. We're not gonna dig, We're not
gonna be crazy about the details. But he knows that
Long Island might be something the Brits are interested in taking.

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He doesn't have endless supplies of men, so he sends
just forty five hundred troops over to Long Island. And
here's what they do. Remember when we crossed the East
River and we got to the Brooklyn Heights, that area
he started digging in. He started fortifying. Of course they're heights,
so they're overlooking anything. They're high. He starts fortifying big

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time the Brooklyn Heights. But he goes further than that.
He continues to move southeast and he finds these other hills.
There's more than one. They're elevated positions, I'll put it
that way. How elevated one hundred and fifty feet, But
one hundred fifty feet is a lot when you're firing
down on people, you don't want to be going up

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one hundred and fifty feet. He puts men on these
hilltops southeast of the Brooklyn Heights. And the men aren't
just placed there randomly. These hilltop they have passes that
go through them. It's not one long ridge line. If

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you will, that's gonna matter. They have various passes. There's
a pass here, it's lowland. You can just walk right
through it without going uphill. Then a little ways later
there's a pass that divides up this hill. Okay. He
places his troops on the hilltops overlooking these passes, and
the idea is quite simple. It doesn't exactly take General
Patten to figure out what's going on here. Seize and

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fortify the high ground. Fortify the high ground that overlooks
the passes, and what you've done is You've made it
not impossible, but very very difficult for an even sizable
British force to pass underneath your guys. They're going to
be fired down upon you. They're not gonna want to

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do that. You can't just walk through the pass. So
if you're a brit and you can't walk through the pass,
then that means you actually have to go up the
hill and take the heights. That's a nightmare too. It's
very smart. It's a military no brainer to do exactly
what George Washington did. He does, for the most part,
the right thing here and digs in forty five hundred

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men on Long Island with a little exception. This part
is going to be critical to our story. There is
one pass. I'll give you the name, but the detail
doesn't matter. It's known as Jamaica Pass. But there is
one pass. It's kind of on the far end, and

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it's kind of dismissed. How many men does he put
in Jamaica Pass? Jamaica Pass is really small. I should know.
It's not dismissed for no reason. It's small. It's at
the far end. We get a stress about whatever he
puts five men in Jamaica paths but not the end
of the world. The Brits don't even know this area.

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The locals know the area. Who's even going to know
about Jamaica pass. Now. The reason I said George Washington
did mostly the right thing is this. George Washington, he
was getting intelligence. Of course, he's going to get reports back,
and his intelligence indicated to him that the Brits they're

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not landing that many people on Long Island. I've got
forty five hundred guys there. The Brits aren't landing that
many people, seven eight thousand. I've read different things. But
whatever my guys are dug in, they'll handle it. He
was mistaken. He got bad intelligence, but he was mistaken.
The Brits have parked twenty thousand troops on Long Island

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and their intention is to make Long Island the focal point.
Twenty thousand highly trained British troops are now marching towards
those heights against forty five hundred Americans, and they are
intent on wiping them out, controlling Long Island, and then
launching into Manhattan. We will continue from that in a moment.

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Jesse Kelly Show on a fantastic Tuesday going through America
and some American Revolutionary War history. So I just laid

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out what's happening on Long Island. Forty five hundred Americans
dug in in the heights. Twenty thousand British troops, the
bulk of their force have landed on Long Island, and
they are marching towards said heights. Now I need to
pause and explain. I won't go into the names. I mean,
I can tell you it's the names are Clinton and

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how But these are British commanders, the British generals, the
ones in charge. The names aren't really important unless you're
a detail. And there here's what is important for our story,
really important. They were involved in Bunker Hill, that story
we told yesterday about the Brits charging in elevated fourtified

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position and losing so many men, too many men, a
battle that they won but wounded them so severely. They
went and trained for that scenario again. They didn't ever
want to experience another Bunker Hill, and that's on their
minds as they are marching towards these Americans dug in

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on the heights. But remember when we said this is
a loyalist stronghold, New York was It's a loyalists strong
hold at this point in time in the Revolutionary War.
That wasn't just urban people, as I told you yesterday, farmers,
country people. They wanted to stay under the crown. But

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did It's crazy for us to think about now, because
we take such pride in our revolutionary war, but that
was fairly common. That was about a third of the country.
The Brits come across, I'll call him a trader. I
don't think he would have called himself a trader, but
I can't help it. I'm an ugly American, so I'll

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call him a trader. Remember that pass Jamaica pass Only
five Americans there, but it's tiny. No one really knows
about it. It's on the far end. This trader goes
to the Brits and says, hey, there's a pass where
your troops can get through, and there's hardly any Americans

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even defending the place. The Brits jump on this intel
and they come up with a plan that is, sadly
for our American revolutionary brothers, a brilliant, brilliant plan. Here's
the plan. If you're the Brits, because I don't want

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to give you a bunch of directional details anymore because
it'll bore you. But you should know this. In order
for the Brits to get from where they are up
to Jamaica Pass, they are essentially going to have to
march right under the nose of the Americans who are
dug in on the heights. That's very dangerous obviously. If

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you are detected, Americans will be fire. American sharpshooters will
be firing down on you from the heights. Really really
not good. The Brits come up with the plan. Here
is the plan. It's nighttime. Let's start a whole bunch
of canamp fires, these campfires. While they're burning, we will silently,

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no shouts, no heavy stomping like you see with the
marching and things like that, none of this. We will silently,
in a column, march underneath the Americans without opening a sound,
and march all these troops, not all their troops, remember,
just a big bulk of them, all these troops up

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to Jamaica Pass. And they managed to pull it off.
At any point in time, if the Americans had detected this,
this whole thing would have come apart. But the Brits
pulled off a daring and frankly brilliant maneuver. Now they
get to the pass. Maybe you're wondering what happened to
the five Americans who reguarding it. This comes back to

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something it's tough to talk about because it has resulted
in the death of so so many people. But when
I was in combat, and this still goes on today,
when I was in combat, you were given a word.
It was usually a new word every day. It might

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be Houston astros, whatever it is. Everyone is given this
word at night. Why is everyone given a word? Because
if I have to go do something, you know, it's combat.
It's dangerous. There are enemy and fild traders. If whoever's
on watch sees me, he is going to now I
should call it out before he even asks for it.

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He's going to demand what is the word? And I
better know it or he's going to shoot me dead.
I can't tell you how many times this got Americans killed,
specifically in like the War and the Pacific in World
War Two, where guys were tired, dysentery scared, they would

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forget the word of the day. And you know how
I just mentioned dysentery. You have to leave your fighting
hole in the middle of the night and you have
to go potty. You also are dealing with an enemy
who loves to jump in your fighting hole while you're
asleep and cut your guts out while you're still alive.
So you run out, you go potty, you're tired, you're scared.
You're coming back to your line, and your guys don't

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hear Houston Astros pop, They're going to kill you. Happened many,
many times. This is basic military discipline that goes on
to this day. That's the point I was trying to
get across. But remember what kind of troops we're dealing
with here, untrained militia. These are not full time Marine
Corps infantry. The troops they hear the Brits marching up

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to them, and they think they're Americans to the point
they fall in and start marching with them in the
middle of the night. The Brits obviously just turn around
and arrest the five Americans, not a single shot fired.
Now the Brits are in Jamaica pass What does this
mean for the Americans. Remember it's the middle of the night.

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The Brits, a large force of Brits. They are marching
past the Americans to come in behind them. You're on
a hilltop. Everything's okay. The British armies only in one
direction in front of you. The Americans wake up and

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they don't quite understand yet what kind of trouble they're in.
Right about this time, the next day, the Brits launch
what the Americans think is a frontal assault. They're attacking
from the direction the Americans think they're attacking. The Americans,
by the way, again brave holding their own shooting, well,

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they are holding their ground on the heights. Right about
now is when George Washington, who was parked in Manhattan.
I just love this freaking guy so much. He's such
an amazing dude. He recognizes that his troops are outnumbered
in a way. He doesn't take off. He gets on
a boat and gets over there to Brooklyn. I'm going

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to go take command of the situation. That's the kind
of guy. George Washington is. Great man, absolutely great man.
But as the Americans are fighting the Brits in the front,
the Brits decide to launch their attack in the rear.
And it's actually worse than that. When the Brits got
behind the Americans, just the way the terrain works. You

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can just kind of picture it in your head. The
Americans are dug in on the heights right, and they're
firing down on the Brits in front of them. That's
what you want. You want the high ground. They're firing
down on the Brits in front of them. The Brits
who marched behind the Americans in the middle of the night,
they occupied higher ground than the Americans were on. Now

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the Brits who marched in behind you are firing down
on you from behind. If you are an army and
this is your situation, whether you're a regular dude, a
commander on the ground, this is a recipe for losing
every man. This is how your force gets completely wiped

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off the battlefield. Not taking some losses. This situation went
from a little rough we're outnumbered two. We are going
to lose the bulk of the Continental Army, and we're
going to lose the Revolutionary War on Long Island. Now,
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Jesse at Jesse Kellyshow dot com. So Jewish producer Christius
asked during the break, hey, was the whole army sitting there? No,
it wasn't the entirety of the Continental Army, but it
was the meat of it. We remember how I said,
we were trying not to lose. We needed time, We
needed time for training, get the arm together, things like that.

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We absolutely the Revolutionary War, absolutely positively cannot afford to
have forty five hundred men wiped out on Long Island,
or there is a good chance the Revolutionary War ends
on Long Island. And right now it looks like they
are about to be wiped out because they are dug

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in on the hills. The Brits have now surrounded them.
They're on both sides. What are you going to do? Well?
Now we need to rewind back because now we need
to cover again what I talked about before, because you
need to have this pictured in your head. All right.
The Americans are on these heights, right, they're on these hills.

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They have to go now we're heading back towards ten o'clock.
They have to go northwest. The goal now is to
get some kind of a fighting retreat going where you
can survive until you get to the Brooklyn Heights, where
we are dug in even more. That is the goal.

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Now we'll worry about escaping, getting across the river, all
these things at another time. Right now, we are all
dying and we have to find a way to get
to the Brooklyn Heights. But what are you doing? How
do you do that when the Brits have completely surrounded you.
There is at this point, because of the terrain, one

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route available to get from the Hills to the Brooklyn Heights.
And I don't know if I believe this, but this
is what they say. It's a marsh. I do believe
that part. They say that at this point in time,
there is no record of anyone ever crossing this marsh.

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When I say a marsh, please don't think I'm talking
about twenty five feet of deep mud. I'm talking water
deep enough for you to drown, muck that sucks you
down into it. In order for the Americans to get
from the Hills to the Brooklyn Heights, we are going

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to have to get troops, many of whom cannot swim
across a marsh. That again, I don't know if I
believe this, but they say nobody had ever traversed it
a not ideal, right, how are we supposed to accomplish this?

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Because here's the problem. The Brits they can read maps too,
They have excellent maps. They know where their troops are.
They obviously know where the Americans are, and they understand
that this marsh area it is the one way these
Americans can escape. The Brits are obviously interested in wiping
us out to the last man. The Brits, when they

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realize this, they take thousands of troops and at breakneckt speed.
How many troops by the way, four thousand is the number,
And at breakneck speed they start heading towards a choke point,
a choke point that will allow them, if they can

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control this choke point, it will allow them to cut
off the marsh. For lack of a better way to
put it, it's a building. I'm not going to go
into what building it was, but it was one building.
The Brits wanted to occupy it, then gun down all
the Americans and no more revolutionary war. Now, during all
this fighting, there was a unit surprise, surprise. They were

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acquitting themselves quite well on the battlefield. Surrounded or not,
They were not breaking, they were not shaking it was
the Maryland four hundred. The Maryland were fighting like warriors,
and these warriors were given a command that day. These
are your countrymen, and these are heroes, and please pay
these men the respect they deserve. The command they were

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given at this moment was this, The Brits are coming
for this choke point. They're coming for this building. There
are thousands of them. You have to give us time.
It takes time to get forty five hundred men across
a marsh. Nobody has ever traversed. We're gonna drown, We're

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gonna be shot, We're gonna be captured, We're gonna be
bayoneted the Hessians. The Brits had hired these Hessian mercenaries
who were bayoneting Americans all the time. This ended up
being quite controversial in the war. But anyway, the Marylanders
are told we need time. What can you do now? Everybody,

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everybody has a way they face death, right, We all
are going to face it one day. And I'll tell
you this is one of those stories. I've talked to
you about this many times before, with various military campaigns,
American and otherwise. We've gone over what is going through
your head? What is that mentality, like when you are
given an assignment, and the assignment is I need you

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to die, or at least give yourself a high risk
of dying. I need you to die so that others
may live. I was never given in order like that.
I would like to think I would have responded the
right way, But I have no idea. Maybe I would
have been a coward. Maybe I would have said no,
Maybe I would have pooped my pants. Right, I don't

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have any idea. You like to imagine that about yourselves
and your friends and the people surround you, that they
would be like, yep, give me some extra ammo and
some grenades. You guys, go on, all die. But there
aren't very many people built like that. But this Maryland group,
like I said, they were not like the others. There

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is a certain amount of training and a certain amount
of pride they took in in being elite compared to
the other American troops we had at the time. This
would be our no question, tip of the spear. Speaking
of tip of the spear, I brought this up earlier.
I'll bring it up again. They were the only ones

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with bayonets. Americans were constantly at a disadvantage when these fights,
and this often happened in the fighting back then, when
these fights would become hand to hand, because yes, we
had muskets and you can use them as clubs and whatnot.
But if the other guy has a two foot long
spear off the end of his musket and you do not,

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you are at an incredible disadvantage. If it comes time
to get real, real friendly with each other on the battlefield,
the Maryland four hundred are given in order by us time.
We cannot let them have that choke point. Stop them.
Give us as much time as you can. We will
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