November 12, 2025 • 45 mins
Jesse Kelly honors those who served in the United States Military on Veterans Day alongside fellow former Marine Tom Sauer. After that, Jesse dives into the push to repeal and replace Obamacare. Jesse also speaks with Jillian Michaels about the state of the Democrat Party. Plus, a bunch of Supreme Court news to hit with Professor William A. Jacobson.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's Veterans Day. Also, we have Jillian Michaels on. We're
going to talk about these Supreme Court cases, Obamacare, all
that and more coming up on them. Right, it is
Veterans Day today, obviously, I'm sure you're already well aware,
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and it is the day that you should pick up
your phone and call the veteran in your life, text
the veteran in your life. We really do have the
land of the Free, not because of the Constitution, and
I love the Constitution. We have the land of the
free because brave people have been willing to fight and
die for this country throughout our history. That's why we
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are free. That's why we remain free. That's why we
haven't been overrun by China and Russia just yet, because
we still have legions and legions of brave people willing
to serve. If you have someone in your life like that, ever,
but he does, it's a good day to shoot him
at text, give him a phone call, just say thank you.
That's all, Just say thank joining me now for this
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wonderful Veteran's Day. Tom Sour, former Marine Corps Infantryman, Navy
bomb squad officer, will get into all that and he's
also the founder of the MacArthur Group. Okay, Tom, why
don't you join the Marines?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I wanted to go, you know, kill people and break
their things back then, you know that was free nine
to eleven, and you know that was you know what
you do. You joined the Marine Corps for that, right,
that's what they do.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
You know this I do. But there are other options.
You could have joined the Army or the Air Force.
Even though you're straight. Why did you choose the Marines?
I think I want to be the best.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I think that's what it was. And I you know
when later on in my career, I spent a lot
of time with the Army, and you know it was
your mileage mayvery did some stuff with Special Forces with
first Battalion for Special Forces Group out of Okinawa, and
it was an interesting experience.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
So it was good.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
But Okinawa was always an interesting experience. I do remember
that as well. Okay, so, bomb squad, what does a
Navy bomb squad officer do? My only experience with this
is watching that movie Blown Away.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's the it's better known within the military as EOD
Explosive Ordnance Disposal. I just usually say bomb squad, because
most folks don't know what EOD means or stands for.
So what we did is we render safe any and
all explosive hazards. During most of my time, I actually
specialized in weapons of mass destruction, so that was the
nuclear threat, the biological chemical That's why I did with
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that Army Special Operations Unit. Worked really closely with a
couple of other you know, well known units as well
as far as on the counter terrorism side of things,
so you know, rhymes with Seal Team six. Those guys
supported all of them. Did a lot of fun work
with all those guys, and spend a lot of time
at Los Alamos National Lab, Sandia National Lab, you know,
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learning about nuclear weapons and all that stuff. It was
exciting times. Did some really cool stuff. Fortunately though never
had to actually do my job because that would have
been bad for all of us if we actually had to,
you know, do the job.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Tom. There are who knows how many young men out
there watching this, and they are curious, what are the requirements,
what's the training like to get into cool stuff like that? Men?
I want to go do cool stuff, especially young men,
not old guys like us.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I got to say that you got to be first off,
in very good physical condition, but you also have to
have a brain that works. So most Navy EOD Techs
and uty officers are something like highly athletic nerds. They've
got to be pretty good technically as well. So you know,
for example, Navy EOD training is considered to be the
second most academically difficult training pipeline the Navy, next to
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nuclear power nuclear engineering, and probably the second most maybe
you know, debatable of physically demanding, next to buds. So
we need somebody who is exceptionally intelligent, knows how to
follow directions, good with their hands, and also knows how
to jump, swim, dive, shoot, all that good stuff. So
we need I need bus somebody who is the full
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package and very proud. My brother is also a Navy
o D officer. He's just been selected for commander for five.
We are a very small community. There's only about four
hundred Navy EOD officers officers on active duty in about
eleven or twelve hundred listed, So if you've been in
the community for longer than a minute, we all know
who you are. So when my brother was going through training,
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you know, I've got buddies of mine who are his
instructors at dive school, in Neo d school, you know,
send me a pictures of him getting thrashed.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
It was great stuff. So love that love always fun. Yeah,
that's always good. All right. Tell me about how we're
taking care of veterans in this country or not taking
care of veterans.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well, no, I'm glad you asked that one. So what
I've been doing for the past six years or so
my business partner, who is actually my classmate from Annapolis,
we started a company that focuses on very intensive mental
health treatment and diction treatment for veterans. And when I
say mental health addiction treatment, I'm not talking about like
a counseling session where we just spoke to them once.
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These are guys who are the most vulnerable, who are
really on the brink of death or going or going
back to prison, or these are guys who've already lost
their families, as in they've cut them off. These are
guys who are really at rock bottom. And we did that.
We started that company through a community care network contract
with the Department of Veterans Affairs, which was a result
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from the VA Mission Act, which was from Trump forty
five's term, and unfortunately, right now there are unelected VA
bureaucrats who are doing everything they can to derail community care.
So it's gotten so bad in fact that unfortunately myself
and other community care providers like me, uh, we're looking
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at closing our doors right now because there are people
within VA. Yeah, and I've been looking. To be honest
with me, I'm calling you from DC right now, and
I've been in direct communication with senior people at VA.
They understand the problem. But here's the part of it
is that this is like the deep state stuff. It
really is. You might not know this just but like
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the VA is the second largest agency in the federal government.
People don't know that is over four hundred thousand employees.
The VA has more employees than the US Army has soldiers. Right,
A lot of people don't know that. And if you
think about that, there are within VA right now. There
are currently no Trump political appointees within the Veterans Healthcare
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Administration right who have been confirmed yet by the Senate.
So right now you've got the careers so to speak,
you know, inmates running the asylum right now, and I'm
talking to senior folks. They recognize there's a problem. They're
looking into it. But what's happened now is between reducing
the amount that they reimburse community care providers such as
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my company by two thirds, which they did earlier this year,
and then cutting off the flow of veterans who need help.
By the way I mean this is when the vas
are at capacity the VA hospitals themselves for inpatient treatment,
and there are very few options for them. I'm not
sure what's happening to them. I've testified before House Veterans
Veri's Committee on this two years ago. I've been pretty
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active on the hill, and despite some very encouraging news
I thought we would see from VA at the high level,
the problem is, though, it's not making its way to
the field at all.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Can the Trump administration get this fixed in three years?
Why does this take so long? I understand it's only
been eleven months, but is this something we can get fixed?
That we need to get this fixed? I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I would say that the first thing that needs to
happen is the VHA, so the Veterans Healthcare Administration, which
is the biggest part of VA by far, I mean
most of VA. The budget and people is in healthcare, right.
I think it's like eighty eighty five percent of the
VA budget is going into healthcare, and of that at
least the operating budget. And so then of that, we
don't have any political appointees in there, right, So the
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Senate needs to get off their asses. They need to
confirm those folks, and a number of them as well,
because sometimes there's only so much at the highest levels.
And I feel that this is a missed opportunity for
the VA, I really do. And you know, there's lots
of Senate and House hearings. I've testified in won, I've
sat in on a dozen more, and they keep talking
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about how bad the problem is. People with VA say
that at the top level, say it's going to get fixed.
But guess what, you know, I've said this very clearly
to a senior person in the VA, A very senior one,
is that look, people within the VA, the careers, you know,
these are their deep state types, straight of state, whatever
you want to call them. They hate community care because
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they look as a threat to their budgets. They hate
the secretary, and they hate the president, I mean straight up.
And so think of it like this. Imagine if the
VA was a very dysfunctional, bloated public school system. Right,
community care providers are the charter schools. So, and then
if you put that school district in charge of which
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students they send to the charter schools, if you put
that school district in charge of how much that school
gets paid, what do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So that's that's essentially it. They look as a threat
to their budget.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Wonderful. Yeah, and look, thank you, my brother. Yeah, happy veterans,
stay and simplify my man. All right, let's talk about
speaking of healthcare, Obamacare, how badly it's failing. I want
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We'll be back. Barack Obama sucks. Look, just just stay
with me here because Obamacare is in the news. It's
in the news because nobody can afford health insurance anymore.
(11:05):
We actually just renewed our health insurance, that annual thing
you have to do, and it's company insurance. Should be good.
It's trash. It's so expensive. Normal people can't afford health insurance.
It's awful, and it wasn't always that way. But that
brings us back to the man who authored the current
health care crisis, the crisis being you can't afford it.
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Barack Obama is his name, Barack Obama, who's doing the
podcast circuit lying through his teeth.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
We have blown through, just in the last six months,
a whole range of of not simply assumptions, but rules
and loss and practices that were put in place to
ensure that nobody's above the wall and that we don't
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use the federal government to simply reward our friends and
punish our enemies, and the same things obviously happening in
the Justice Department.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, that's the guy who sent the FBI and CIA
after Donald Trump. Also, why does he sit like that?
No man should ever sit like that. It's so feminine.
It really bothers me. But we're not going to major
on that right now. I do want to remind you
about something just the poison that Barack Obama put in
the bloodstream of this country. Mass shootings, it's going to happen.
They're the worst thing in the world. Someone shoots up
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the school, shoots up something. It's just the worst thing
in the world. We all hate it. But there's something
that happens today that maybe you just have baked in
the cake. That's something being democrats in the media, Democrat
politicians all over social media. They will immediately when a
mass shooting, honestly, while it's still happening, they will immediately
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start gun grabbing immediately. You see it. I don't have
to repeat it, You've seen it over and over and
over again. But you should understand, was not always this
way for most of my life when I paid attention
to politics, That's not something that really happened. If there
was a terrible tragedy of mass shooting of some kind,
politicians would normally be real stoic about the whole thing.
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Maybe get up and give a speech. Hey, let's all
come together, we need to pray. That kind of a thing.
So why do they all do the opposite? Now, why
do they all stand on the dead bodies and immediately
start grabbing for your guns. Well, i'll tell you why,
Barack Obama's why. This is not about politics.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
This is about these families and families all across the country.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Who we're saying, let's make it a.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Little harder for our kids to get gunn The fact
that that's twenty six year olds were gunned down in
the most violent fashion possible and this town couldn't do
anything about it was stunning to me. And so the
question then becomes, what can we do about it? The
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only thing that's going to change is public opinion. If
public opinion does not demand change in Congress, it will
not change.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Each time we see one of these mass shootings. Our
thoughts and prayers are not enough.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
He put that in the bloodstream of this country. Now
Democrats think it's normal. They all do it. A true
revolutionary who would never dream of just bringing the country together.
Everything was an opportunity to move the revolution forward. But
let's focus for a moment on his signature piece of legislation, Obamacare.
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To our credit, we knew it was a disaster. The
right railed and railed and railed against Obamacare when he
was out there trying to sell it to America. And
of course we got this courtesy of mays More. They
lied through his teeth about the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
It will actually reduce the deficit by four trillion dollars
over the long term. Reducing the waste and inefficiency in
Medicare and Medicaid will pay for most of this plan.
It will slow the growth of healthcare costs for our families,
our businesses, and our government. There will be a provision
in this plan that requires us to come forward with
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more spending cuts if the savings we promised don't materialize.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
You can't afford health insurance. Because Barack Obama and the
Democrats past Obamacare, insurance companies raking in record profits. Mind
when companies make profits, but you can't afford health insurance.
Insurance companies have record profits, and now were stuck with this.
And I'm sorry, I can't help but think about all
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those Republicans who ran for office, House and Senate and
President promising that they would repeal it. We will repeal it,
we'll repeal it, we'll repeal it. In fact, while Democrats,
while Barack Obama was president, Democrats had control right they
could veto things. Republicans in the House of Representatives voted
seven times to repeal Obamacare when they knew Barack Obama
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would of course strike that down. Then after Donald Trump
won in twenty sixteen, we had the House, we had
the Senate, we had the presidency. They failed to repeal Obamacare.
Now we are in this awful situation where people can't
afford healthcare. They can't afford health insurance because the GOP
never repealed it and because Democrats passed it. Now Trump's
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out there saying things like this.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
Well, I watched Obama from when this thing came about.
As you know, I have posted very strongly. Unfortunately, we
had a couple of negative votes, which should never have happened.
But I said it's going to be a disaster. And
I was exactly right that the premiums have gone up
like rocket ships. And I'm not just talking about recently.
I'm talking about for years. They've been going up. And
he said premiums will go down, everything will be wonderful.
(17:14):
It's horrible health insurance at a very high priced And
what I want, and probably what you're alluding to, is
the fact that I want instead of going to the
insurance companies, I want the money to go into an
account for people with the people by their own health insurance.
It's so good, the insurance will be better, it'll cost less.
Everybody's going to be happy. They're going to feel like
entrepreneurs are actually able to go out and negotiate their
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own health insurance and they can use it only for
that reason, that's only for that purpose. And if we
did that, that would be so exciting. Call it trump Care,
call it whatever you want to call it, but anything
but Obamacare. Obamacare is a disaster, just like he was
as a president.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Okay, sounds good. Mike Johnson's out there saying things like this, We.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
Are subsidizing very wealthy insurance companies that is not helping
costs go down, it's driving premiums up even higher. So
Republicans want to fix the broken system. We don't want
to throw good money at a broken and failing system.
And the Unaffordable Care Act has been that since it
was signed in a law passed by the Democrats alone
back in twenty ten. We've got to reduce the cost
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of health care and the cost of living by the way,
and Republicans are the ones that have the ideas to
do that.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Okay, that's good, we have ideas. Do we really, though,
are we going to do something? Because I'm sorry, I've
walked down this road for too long. We're gonna repeal it.
We're gonna repeal it. We're going to repeal and replace it.
You say you have ideas, Scott percent didn't sound quite
as confident.
Speaker 8 (18:50):
Presidents also come forward with a new proposal overnight saying
it's time instead to do away with Obamacare instead to
have the money go directly to the people. Do you
have a formal proposal to do that?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
We don't have a formal proposal.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
But you know, what I have noticed over time is
that the Democrats give all these ability or welling in
names the Affordable Care Act, the Inflation Reduction Act, and
we end up with just the opposite. You know, the
Affordable Care Act has become unaffordable and the Inflation Reduction
Act set off the greatest inflation in fifty years.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
Well, I'm a little confused because the President in posting
about that overnight and into this morning. But you're not
proposing that to the Senate right now.
Speaker 9 (19:31):
We're not proposing it to the Senate right now.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
All right, Look, we need to do something. We have
the House, we have the Senate, we have the Presidency.
I understand there are limits on what laws we can
get through the Senate because we don't have sixty votes.
I understand that, but it's been too long and right
now what's happening is people are sticker shocked beyond belief
for their health insurance, and Republicans need to put forward
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concrete proposals, a law even that will help that we'll
get the government out of it. And if we do not,
you know what's gonna happen. Not for you or me,
but you know what's gonna happen. The normies out there,
they're going to look to Democrats who will promise to
give them more money. They will we have to do something.
Let's get something done. But hey, it is the GOP
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after all. Anyway, let's move on. We're going to talk
to Jillian Michaels in a moment. Remember we used to
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Speaker 10 (21:38):
Many of my friends are unhappy. They think we should
have kept our government closed indefinitely to protest the policies
of the Trump administration. I share their opinions of this administration,
but cannot accept a strategy which wages political battle at
the expense of my neighbors at paycheck or the food
for his children.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
It really is kind of bonkers that they just shut
down the country to just give the middle finger to
Trump somewhere. It's a weird country we live in. Now
joining me now, Gosh. I used to watch her help
fat people lose weight on television. Now she's joining me
on my television show. Jillian Michael's host of the Wonderful
Keeping at Real podcast. Jillian, It's just so odd that,
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I mean, one political party's really stupid, if we're being honest,
that's the GEOP and the other one like these terrorists
that just do the worst possible things. And I don't
know who I'm supposed to root for.
Speaker 11 (22:32):
Honestly, I have tried so hard to get to the
bottom of this, and here's what I've taken away from it.
The Democrats put the COVID era Obamacare subsidies in, they
set them to expire at this time. They were always
supposed to be temporary. The reason they didn't even attempt
to make them permanent is because they were so costly
they never could have even possibly passed.
Speaker 12 (22:55):
And now they're raising, you know, a hell in high
water over this.
Speaker 11 (23:00):
But after they won the elections, they've decided, screw it,
and we're gonna move forward anyway. So the whole thing
was just for optics. This whole we were all held
hostage for optics. That's how it seems to me.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
It does. It's was for appearance's sake. And now, I mean,
now that the government is going back to work, I
don't know that that's a better situation anyway. People can't
afford health insurance. It's a big deals. You've really just
got to try to bust your butt to avoid the
doctor now. Because no one can afford health insurance. It's bonkers.
You know.
Speaker 11 (23:34):
There are so many things that are wrong with regard
to insurance across the board. You can't get homeowners insurance,
you can't get car insurance. There's something systemically wrong with
that entire system.
Speaker 12 (23:46):
But listen, I'm not in government.
Speaker 11 (23:48):
This is not my area of expertise, but I often
wonder we subsidize soda.
Speaker 13 (23:53):
Literally, what if we subsidized healthier things for people so
they would be healthier and health insurance would cost that, Like,
there has to be a better way.
Speaker 12 (24:05):
Surely there has to be a better way.
Speaker 14 (24:07):
And I mean not to.
Speaker 11 (24:08):
Sound like a complete jerk, but we could probably save
the billions of dollars in healthcare costs for people who
are not here legally that end up going to the
emergency room because we are all paying for that. And
this is where I deeply understand America. First, you got
to take care of the taxpayers first.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, it's almost odd that the people of this country
they don't want the country flooded with foreigners in mass
from all over the place. That's a very normal thing
for any citizen. Yet our politicians on both sides has
spent decades doing exactly that. We're supposed to have a
representative government, at least that's what I was taught in school,
but it doesn't look that representative when it comes to
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the issue of immigration at all.
Speaker 11 (24:52):
Have you gone back in time yet and watched the
videos of Obama Bill Clinton Clinton saying all the same
things that Trump said about the border and illegal immigration.
Speaker 12 (25:07):
And in fact, both Obama and Bill Clinton were so
prolific that they deported millions more than Trump has.
Speaker 11 (25:16):
I think freaking Clinton deported like twelve and a half
million using a loophole that he created called expedited returns,
where people who came into the country were shot right
out as though they were never here, if they couldn't
prove they were here for more than fourteen days, and
if they were in within one hundred miles of any
border in.
Speaker 12 (25:36):
The United States.
Speaker 11 (25:36):
And yet when Trump does it, he's an authoritarian, fascist, racist.
Speaker 12 (25:42):
So it's so wild to me.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You used to be a Democrat, and you used to
be a Californian, and apparently you have decided to abandon
both of those communist states.
Speaker 11 (25:55):
What happened, okay, well, what happened, for example, is what
I just mentioned. I don't know who this party is anymore.
And it's been said by people far more intelligent and
well known than me that I didn't leave the left.
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The left left me when I was a nineties Liberal
or in early two thousands liberal. This was not a
party that advocated for open borders. This wasn't a party
that wanted sex changes for children. Nobody believed and having
biological males and female sports.
Speaker 12 (26:34):
Nobody wanted to defund the police. I mean, this was
not a thing. Nobody was emptying rikers. Nobody was doing that.
So the Democrats. Oh and by the way, nobody was
for socialism. And those are just a few examples. We
could be here your entire show with me giving you
a list of all.
Speaker 11 (26:51):
The things that have changed, in my opinion, for the worst.
And that's effectively what happened. The party is unrecognizable and
their policies have wrecked havoc on California.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Do you find it hard to adjust to the Florida weather?
And I might love Florida, but gosh, during the summer,
it's just unbearable. When you were California, where it's just
just paradise weatherwise, that has to suck, right.
Speaker 12 (27:19):
I actually love hot weather.
Speaker 11 (27:21):
But the sad part of this story is that I
have some family that I need to help, and I
have a family member who's older or not well, so
I have to be closer to California. So we ended
up getting a place in Wyoming, which is beautiful, but
it's about to enter like a Game of Thrones kind
of winter, and I will take a Florida summer.
Speaker 12 (27:45):
Over, you know, John Stark winter, any day of the week.
It's just yeah, yeah, But I love the people, and I.
Speaker 11 (27:53):
Love the way it's governed, and it is beautiful when
you are not losing fingers to frostbite.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah. I'm well, well amended with those winners. I grew
up in Montana. I want to play you this little
clip Nancy Pelosi Grandma Vodka talking about Gavin news in history.
Speaker 15 (28:12):
It's clear that this governor has a vision for our country.
He has knowledge of our country and our state, the
state of California, the fourth largest economic in the world.
Gavin manages that way. That's with great dignity. He has
strategic thinking about how to get things done, and that
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is what has brought us together here. When this opportunity occurred.
Speaker 14 (28:40):
Gavin had a plan.
Speaker 16 (28:42):
He's a man with a plan, and that's what brings.
Speaker 14 (28:45):
Us here today.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Setting aside the liquid lunch she had before that little speech,
Gavin Newsome concerns me. He raises good money. He concerns me.
For twenty twenty eight, I personally find him detestable, but
he concerns me.
Speaker 12 (29:00):
Oh God, he terrifies me.
Speaker 11 (29:03):
Joe Rogan said this best. He destroyed San Francisco. Then
you failed upwards and you destroyed California. And now what
it was just a test drawn and you're going to
destroy the country. Nothing is better since Gavin Newsom has
become the governor of California, everything is worse.
Speaker 12 (29:22):
He inherited a surplus.
Speaker 11 (29:25):
Now we have a multi billion dollar deficit. Homelessness is
up by like thirty plus percent.
Speaker 12 (29:32):
Crime is rampant.
Speaker 11 (29:34):
The most vulnerable are getting hurt by his policies. And
I could give you just one example of a law
they passed so cops would not be able to go
after prostitutes for loitering. And they did this because they
were worried about women of color and trans people who
were prostituting themselves.
Speaker 12 (29:55):
On the street.
Speaker 11 (29:56):
Ready, so gangs, of course stepped up their game, and
they're now trafficking miners who have fallen through the cracks
of the foster care system and the police can literally do.
Speaker 12 (30:09):
Nothing about it.
Speaker 11 (30:10):
There's a great article, if you don't believe me, in
the New York Times about it. In the area is
called the Blade. Like this is the kind of stuff
that Gavin's policies have begotten California. And there's been a
mass exodus, and I'll give you one more and then
I'll shut up. He went on Sean Ryan recently and
he's like, oh, utterable utter the people who are living
California not true, not true.
Speaker 12 (30:32):
We've had more people come in, more people.
Speaker 11 (30:35):
So when you actually do a little homework, one and
a half million native California residents and American citizens have
left the state for other states. But he did have
an influx of roughly nine hundred and eighty six thousand
people from other countries. He's just he's a pathological liar
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and a horrible person.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
It was wonderful. It took our most beautiful state and
filled it with foreigners and training hookers. That's where we're
at now, Jillian, thank you man, I appreciate it. Come
back all right, Supreme Court stuff with Bill Jacobson. Before
we get to that. We really do need to try
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Speaker 16 (32:11):
We're going to issue a dividend to our middle income
people and lower income people of about two thousand dollars,
and we're going to use the remaining tariffs to lower
our debt. The real numbers are trillions of dollars have
been taken in or have gotten in terms of investment
from the tariffs. And so if that were ever reversed,
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it would be a disaster. Frankly, it would be a
national security problem for our country. And nobody thinks it's
going to be reversed. I think we had a very
good court case, as you know, it's before the Supreme
Court right now.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
But if that were ever.
Speaker 16 (32:44):
Reversed, you know, people are saying, oh, it's a billion dollars.
Some people said, oh, it's two billions, Well, that obviously
we can handle very easily. But this is trillions of
dollars we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Okay, Trump sounds like he thinks it might get reversed.
That's how Bill about it? Joining me now, Bill Jacobson,
founder of Legal Insurrection cor Now law professor Bill, what's
going on with the tariffs? Are they gonna get overturned?
Partially overturned? But what does all this mean for us?
Speaker 14 (33:13):
Well, I think they'll either get overturned or they won't.
I don't think it'll be partially, and I think it's
a flip of the coin. Listening to over two hours
of argument the other day in the Supreme Court, I
don't think anybody can predict how it's gonna go. What
I do think is that mainstream media has an agenda
to portray it like Trump's gonna lose. Trump's gonna lose.
I don't think that's true. It might happen, but I
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think it's close. And it all gets down to not
whether he properly declared an emergency, but whether tariffs are
one of the items of relief. Having declared an emergency,
he can use because tariffs aren't mentioned in the statute
he's acting under. But there is a term in the
statute called to regulate importation. He has that power, and everybody,
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it was a very strange scene. Everybody during the oral
argument said that phrase gives him the power to completely
cut off foreign trade. He can ban under that power
any imports from China, from the EU, from anywhere in
the world. And Kavanaugh and I think a couple of
the other justices were saying, like, you're telling me he
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can cut off trade completely, but he can't impose a tariff,
which is a much lesser remedy. And that's why I
don't think it's so clear. And the government's arguing these
are not normal tariffs. These are tariffs meant to extract
concessions from foreign governments. So it's really regulatory tariffs meant
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to allow the president to conduct foreign policy. So I
don't know how this is going to go if I
think it's probably leaning against Trump, but it's going to
be close.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Can you drill down a little bit on the declaring
an emergency thing? Those of us who still have PTSD
from the COVID era remembered how many politicians declared everything
to be an emergency. This is an emergency. I can
do this because an emergency bill. Aren't there supposed to
be rules and laws about an emergency otherwise and just
declare them all the time, which they all do.
Speaker 14 (35:12):
Now, Yes, there's a specific statute he invoked passed by
Congress into law which permits the president in times of
national emergency to invoke certain emergency powers, and so he
declared an emergency under that statute. No one seems to
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be questioning seriously that he had the power to do that.
It wasn't really a focus of the argument. The question
is really having invoked that emergency, is tariff something he
can do, and that's really the question. So I don't
see him losing on the ground that he didn't properly
invoke his powers under the statute. The issue will be
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is tariff's one of those powers.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Bill. What's watson is the RNC.
Speaker 14 (36:02):
That is the one regarding what does election day mean?
So there are laws can pass by Congress, one for
elections to the House, one for elections to the Senate,
and one for elections to the presidency which set election
day as I think it's the first Tuesday, the Tuesday
(36:23):
after the first Monday of November in given years, and
the question is what about mail in ballots that arrive
after that date? Will those be counted? And the government
and the Fifth Circuit are saying, no, election day is
election day. If you want your vote counted, you have
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to have it in by election day. It's not a
rolling date because the laws specify a specific day that
is the election day. And of course this is hugely
important because Democrats have mastered the art of mail in
ballots and there were many cases, I believe in Pennsylvania
and elsewhere where they're counting ballots days after the election day,
(37:11):
and then you get into all sorts of crazy stuff
like that, you know, what if they arrive a week later,
what if they arrive two weeks later? And it just
creates a lot of suspicion. So that's the question. Does
election day actually mean election day? Or is it just
like a word we use.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Eric Holder whenever he speaks, he usually says something unbelievably terrible.
And he dropped this little doozy, which I'm sure you've
seen here he was.
Speaker 17 (37:39):
It pains me to say this. I think the Supreme
Court is a broken institution and it's something that has
to be I think a part of the national conversation
in twenty six and in twenty eight, what are we
going to do about the Supreme Court? And I think
that we have to think about again talking about the
acquisition and the use of power. If there is a
democratic trifecta in twenty twenty eight, and I think the
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possibility of that is pretty good. Supreme Court reform is
something that has to be considered term limits. I think
at a minimum, potentially expanding the court is something I
think that also should be should be considered.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Expanding the court. This is something Fdr Toyd with. This
is not exactly a new concept, but nobody's actually pulled
the trigger on it. Do you get the feeling someone's
going to.
Speaker 14 (38:28):
I think the Democrats will try whether they can get
the votes to assuming they control the Presidency, assuming they
control the Senate and the House, and assuming they decide
to nuke the filibuster in the Senate so they only
need fifty one votes. I think they're going to try.
This has been a big issue for them, probably would
have happened already except for Cinema and I think it
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was Fetterman wouldn't go along with it, or Mansion. A
couple of Democrats wouldn't go along with it, so it
never happened when Democrats had the you know, the trifector.
But I think they want to. They are so frustrated
that the Supreme Court is an impediment to their absolute power,
and I think they're going to try to nuke it.
I think they're going to try to expand the court
(39:15):
or do something because they're desperate. They are not getting
the rulings they want, and when they don't get the
rulings they want, they want to change the team. And
that's what they're going to do. So I think there's
a very real possibility if they get their trifecta that
they will try to either expand the Supreme Court or
do some other change that will allow them to grab power.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Bill, what's the story with these seventy people? Trump just
pardoned these alternate electors? Freak elector what's the story with
all this?
Speaker 14 (39:47):
Yeah, so that's an issue which really hasn't made its
way to federal courts yet. But if you recall, it
seems to have faded a little bit into history that
there was an effort that, in the event, a challenge
to the election was successful, that Republicans wanted to have
alternative electors, not the electors selected who would be vote
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for the Democrat, but electors who would vote for the
Republican And it would only come into play if, either
by a court verdict or by vote in the Congress,
the election were reversed. But you need electors to actually
fill those slots and vote, and so various people created
slates of alternative electors to have people essentially on the
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bench ready to go if it was needed. Of course,
it was never needed, it was never used, and the
Democrats have accused them of some sort of fraud. Not
really sure what the legal theory is. The only viable
legal theory is if they found people forging documents, that's
a little different. But the whole concept that having alternative
slates in and of itself is a crime, I think
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is not sustainable. I don't think that's a valid theory.
And so what Trump is doing is he's pardoned all
the people he could think of who were somehow involved
in that effort, either directly or indirectly from any federal prosecution.
And I think he wants to clean slate. He doesn't
want to leave these people at the mercy of the
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next Democrat administration and people like Eric Holder who might
be back in power, who absolutely positively will go after
these people. So it's I think his way of cleaning
the plate at least as to federal charges.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Finally, give us an update on all these Komy, Bolton
Brennan cases. Obviously not asking for a breakdown of all
of them. But how are we looking on somebody going
to prison? Any forward movement there?
Speaker 14 (41:47):
Well, I think probably the most likely candidate would be
John Bolton because he it's a much clearer case where
the others are, you know, Diruction lying under oath, those
are always a little bit fuzzy lying to Congress, and
there are issues as to the whether the US attorneys
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who obtained the invitements were properly appointed by Trump, so
it gets a lot murkier. I would say Bolton is
probably the most one, most clearly at risk, and of course,
oddly enough, he's probably the one who did the least damage.
I mean Komy did the most damage. So I don't
know who's going to prison, but if anybody is, it
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probably would be Bolton.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Bill. As always, thank you, sir, I appreciate it. We
have light in the mood. Next all right. It is
time to lighten the mood. And as we mentioned in
the opening, today is veteran stay. It's wonderful. It's something
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we should focus on, which would be thanking the veterans
in our lives today, people who served. And I always
liked looking back and hearing things like this. My name
is Bill Pickerell.
Speaker 18 (43:10):
I'm ninety eight years old. Don't call us the greatest generation.
I will never forget and witness the horror of the
Nazis war camps. In the Battle of the Bulch, my
friends and I fought to stop the Nazis' last major
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portion in the Western Front, but not many of us
came home. I still miss a lot of my friends
on that beach, and we're there were many of us left.
There aren't many of us left today, but for us
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those of us who are here, that America is still
fighting for America. People say, people is America is an idea,
but I believe America is much more than that. America.
(44:18):
America is our home, you know. And I was fighting
in Europe and I came back home. I kissed the ground,
thank God that I'm back home in my country and
(44:39):
where I come from. When somebody comes for me, for
my home. You're digging your boots in the ground and
never look back. And President Trump back in commander in chief.
I would go back to Marianlists today.
Speaker 15 (45:01):
And I was stormed.
Speaker 18 (45:04):
Whatever beach you want, my country wants you, needs to
meet you. God bless you. God bless her home in
the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
I sitable, m hmm.
It's Veterans Day. Also, we have Jillian Michaels on. We're
going to talk about these Supreme Court cases, Obamacare, all
that and more coming up on them. Right, it is
Veterans Day today, obviously, I'm sure you're already well aware,
(00:25):
and it is the day that you should pick up
your phone and call the veteran in your life, text
the veteran in your life. We really do have the
land of the Free, not because of the Constitution, and
I love the Constitution. We have the land of the
free because brave people have been willing to fight and
die for this country throughout our history. That's why we
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are free. That's why we remain free. That's why we
haven't been overrun by China and Russia just yet, because
we still have legions and legions of brave people willing
to serve. If you have someone in your life like that, ever,
but he does, it's a good day to shoot him
at text, give him a phone call, just say thank you.
That's all, Just say thank joining me now for this
(01:08):
wonderful Veteran's Day. Tom Sour, former Marine Corps Infantryman, Navy
bomb squad officer, will get into all that and he's
also the founder of the MacArthur Group. Okay, Tom, why
don't you join the Marines?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I wanted to go, you know, kill people and break
their things back then, you know that was free nine
to eleven, and you know that was you know what
you do. You joined the Marine Corps for that, right,
that's what they do.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
You know this I do. But there are other options.
You could have joined the Army or the Air Force.
Even though you're straight. Why did you choose the Marines?
I think I want to be the best.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I think that's what it was. And I you know
when later on in my career, I spent a lot
of time with the Army, and you know it was
your mileage mayvery did some stuff with Special Forces with
first Battalion for Special Forces Group out of Okinawa, and
it was an interesting experience.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
So it was good.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
But Okinawa was always an interesting experience. I do remember
that as well. Okay, so, bomb squad, what does a
Navy bomb squad officer do? My only experience with this
is watching that movie Blown Away.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's the it's better known within the military as EOD
Explosive Ordnance Disposal. I just usually say bomb squad, because
most folks don't know what EOD means or stands for.
So what we did is we render safe any and
all explosive hazards. During most of my time, I actually
specialized in weapons of mass destruction, so that was the
nuclear threat, the biological chemical That's why I did with
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that Army Special Operations Unit. Worked really closely with a
couple of other you know, well known units as well
as far as on the counter terrorism side of things,
so you know, rhymes with Seal Team six. Those guys
supported all of them. Did a lot of fun work
with all those guys, and spend a lot of time
at Los Alamos National Lab, Sandia National Lab, you know,
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learning about nuclear weapons and all that stuff. It was
exciting times. Did some really cool stuff. Fortunately though never
had to actually do my job because that would have
been bad for all of us if we actually had to,
you know, do the job.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Tom. There are who knows how many young men out
there watching this, and they are curious, what are the requirements,
what's the training like to get into cool stuff like that? Men?
I want to go do cool stuff, especially young men,
not old guys like us.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I got to say that you got to be first off,
in very good physical condition, but you also have to
have a brain that works. So most Navy EOD Techs
and uty officers are something like highly athletic nerds. They've
got to be pretty good technically as well. So you know,
for example, Navy EOD training is considered to be the
second most academically difficult training pipeline the Navy, next to
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nuclear power nuclear engineering, and probably the second most maybe
you know, debatable of physically demanding, next to buds. So
we need somebody who is exceptionally intelligent, knows how to
follow directions, good with their hands, and also knows how
to jump, swim, dive, shoot, all that good stuff. So
we need I need bus somebody who is the full
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package and very proud. My brother is also a Navy
o D officer. He's just been selected for commander for five.
We are a very small community. There's only about four
hundred Navy EOD officers officers on active duty in about
eleven or twelve hundred listed, So if you've been in
the community for longer than a minute, we all know
who you are. So when my brother was going through training,
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you know, I've got buddies of mine who are his
instructors at dive school, in Neo d school, you know,
send me a pictures of him getting thrashed.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
It was great stuff. So love that love always fun. Yeah,
that's always good. All right. Tell me about how we're
taking care of veterans in this country or not taking
care of veterans.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well, no, I'm glad you asked that one. So what
I've been doing for the past six years or so
my business partner, who is actually my classmate from Annapolis,
we started a company that focuses on very intensive mental
health treatment and diction treatment for veterans. And when I
say mental health addiction treatment, I'm not talking about like
a counseling session where we just spoke to them once.
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These are guys who are the most vulnerable, who are
really on the brink of death or going or going
back to prison, or these are guys who've already lost
their families, as in they've cut them off. These are
guys who are really at rock bottom. And we did that.
We started that company through a community care network contract
with the Department of Veterans Affairs, which was a result
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from the VA Mission Act, which was from Trump forty
five's term, and unfortunately, right now there are unelected VA
bureaucrats who are doing everything they can to derail community care.
So it's gotten so bad in fact that unfortunately myself
and other community care providers like me, uh, we're looking
(06:03):
at closing our doors right now because there are people
within VA. Yeah, and I've been looking. To be honest
with me, I'm calling you from DC right now, and
I've been in direct communication with senior people at VA.
They understand the problem. But here's the part of it
is that this is like the deep state stuff. It
really is. You might not know this just but like
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the VA is the second largest agency in the federal government.
People don't know that is over four hundred thousand employees.
The VA has more employees than the US Army has soldiers. Right,
A lot of people don't know that. And if you
think about that, there are within VA right now. There
are currently no Trump political appointees within the Veterans Healthcare
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Administration right who have been confirmed yet by the Senate.
So right now you've got the careers so to speak,
you know, inmates running the asylum right now, and I'm
talking to senior folks. They recognize there's a problem. They're
looking into it. But what's happened now is between reducing
the amount that they reimburse community care providers such as
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my company by two thirds, which they did earlier this year,
and then cutting off the flow of veterans who need help.
By the way I mean this is when the vas
are at capacity the VA hospitals themselves for inpatient treatment,
and there are very few options for them. I'm not
sure what's happening to them. I've testified before House Veterans
Veri's Committee on this two years ago. I've been pretty
(07:32):
active on the hill, and despite some very encouraging news
I thought we would see from VA at the high level,
the problem is, though, it's not making its way to
the field at all.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Can the Trump administration get this fixed in three years?
Why does this take so long? I understand it's only
been eleven months, but is this something we can get fixed?
That we need to get this fixed? I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I would say that the first thing that needs to
happen is the VHA, so the Veterans Healthcare Administration, which
is the biggest part of VA by far, I mean
most of VA. The budget and people is in healthcare, right.
I think it's like eighty eighty five percent of the
VA budget is going into healthcare, and of that at
least the operating budget. And so then of that, we
don't have any political appointees in there, right, So the
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Senate needs to get off their asses. They need to
confirm those folks, and a number of them as well,
because sometimes there's only so much at the highest levels.
And I feel that this is a missed opportunity for
the VA, I really do. And you know, there's lots
of Senate and House hearings. I've testified in won, I've
sat in on a dozen more, and they keep talking
(08:41):
about how bad the problem is. People with VA say
that at the top level, say it's going to get fixed.
But guess what, you know, I've said this very clearly
to a senior person in the VA, A very senior one,
is that look, people within the VA, the careers, you know,
these are their deep state types, straight of state, whatever
you want to call them. They hate community care because
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they look as a threat to their budgets. They hate
the secretary, and they hate the president, I mean straight up.
And so think of it like this. Imagine if the
VA was a very dysfunctional, bloated public school system. Right,
community care providers are the charter schools. So, and then
if you put that school district in charge of which
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students they send to the charter schools, if you put
that school district in charge of how much that school
gets paid, what do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
So that's that's essentially it. They look as a threat
to their budget.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Wonderful. Yeah, and look, thank you, my brother. Yeah, happy veterans,
stay and simplify my man. All right, let's talk about
speaking of healthcare, Obamacare, how badly it's failing. I want
to talk to you first about your stomach. No, I
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believe me me too, talking about in how's your gut work? How?
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(10:43):
We'll be back. Barack Obama sucks. Look, just just stay
with me here because Obamacare is in the news. It's
in the news because nobody can afford health insurance anymore.
(11:05):
We actually just renewed our health insurance, that annual thing
you have to do, and it's company insurance. Should be good.
It's trash. It's so expensive. Normal people can't afford health insurance.
It's awful, and it wasn't always that way. But that
brings us back to the man who authored the current
health care crisis, the crisis being you can't afford it.
(11:26):
Barack Obama is his name, Barack Obama, who's doing the
podcast circuit lying through his teeth.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
We have blown through, just in the last six months,
a whole range of of not simply assumptions, but rules
and loss and practices that were put in place to
ensure that nobody's above the wall and that we don't
(12:02):
use the federal government to simply reward our friends and
punish our enemies, and the same things obviously happening in
the Justice Department.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, that's the guy who sent the FBI and CIA
after Donald Trump. Also, why does he sit like that?
No man should ever sit like that. It's so feminine.
It really bothers me. But we're not going to major
on that right now. I do want to remind you
about something just the poison that Barack Obama put in
the bloodstream of this country. Mass shootings, it's going to happen.
They're the worst thing in the world. Someone shoots up
(12:37):
the school, shoots up something. It's just the worst thing
in the world. We all hate it. But there's something
that happens today that maybe you just have baked in
the cake. That's something being democrats in the media, Democrat
politicians all over social media. They will immediately when a
mass shooting, honestly, while it's still happening, they will immediately
(12:57):
start gun grabbing immediately. You see it. I don't have
to repeat it, You've seen it over and over and
over again. But you should understand, was not always this
way for most of my life when I paid attention
to politics, That's not something that really happened. If there
was a terrible tragedy of mass shooting of some kind,
politicians would normally be real stoic about the whole thing.
(13:20):
Maybe get up and give a speech. Hey, let's all
come together, we need to pray. That kind of a thing.
So why do they all do the opposite? Now, why
do they all stand on the dead bodies and immediately
start grabbing for your guns. Well, i'll tell you why,
Barack Obama's why. This is not about politics.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
This is about these families and families all across the country.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Who we're saying, let's make it a.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Little harder for our kids to get gunn The fact
that that's twenty six year olds were gunned down in
the most violent fashion possible and this town couldn't do
anything about it was stunning to me. And so the
question then becomes, what can we do about it? The
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only thing that's going to change is public opinion. If
public opinion does not demand change in Congress, it will
not change.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Each time we see one of these mass shootings. Our
thoughts and prayers are not enough.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
He put that in the bloodstream of this country. Now
Democrats think it's normal. They all do it. A true
revolutionary who would never dream of just bringing the country together.
Everything was an opportunity to move the revolution forward. But
let's focus for a moment on his signature piece of legislation, Obamacare.
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To our credit, we knew it was a disaster. The
right railed and railed and railed against Obamacare when he
was out there trying to sell it to America. And
of course we got this courtesy of mays More. They
lied through his teeth about the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
It will actually reduce the deficit by four trillion dollars
over the long term. Reducing the waste and inefficiency in
Medicare and Medicaid will pay for most of this plan.
It will slow the growth of healthcare costs for our families,
our businesses, and our government. There will be a provision
in this plan that requires us to come forward with
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more spending cuts if the savings we promised don't materialize.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
You can't afford health insurance. Because Barack Obama and the
Democrats past Obamacare, insurance companies raking in record profits. Mind
when companies make profits, but you can't afford health insurance.
Insurance companies have record profits, and now were stuck with this.
And I'm sorry, I can't help but think about all
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those Republicans who ran for office, House and Senate and
President promising that they would repeal it. We will repeal it,
we'll repeal it, we'll repeal it. In fact, while Democrats,
while Barack Obama was president, Democrats had control right they
could veto things. Republicans in the House of Representatives voted
seven times to repeal Obamacare when they knew Barack Obama
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would of course strike that down. Then after Donald Trump
won in twenty sixteen, we had the House, we had
the Senate, we had the presidency. They failed to repeal Obamacare.
Now we are in this awful situation where people can't
afford healthcare. They can't afford health insurance because the GOP
never repealed it and because Democrats passed it. Now Trump's
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out there saying things like this.
Speaker 6 (16:53):
Well, I watched Obama from when this thing came about.
As you know, I have posted very strongly. Unfortunately, we
had a couple of negative votes, which should never have happened.
But I said it's going to be a disaster. And
I was exactly right that the premiums have gone up
like rocket ships. And I'm not just talking about recently.
I'm talking about for years. They've been going up. And
he said premiums will go down, everything will be wonderful.
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It's horrible health insurance at a very high priced And
what I want, and probably what you're alluding to, is
the fact that I want instead of going to the
insurance companies, I want the money to go into an
account for people with the people by their own health insurance.
It's so good, the insurance will be better, it'll cost less.
Everybody's going to be happy. They're going to feel like
entrepreneurs are actually able to go out and negotiate their
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own health insurance and they can use it only for
that reason, that's only for that purpose. And if we
did that, that would be so exciting. Call it trump Care,
call it whatever you want to call it, but anything
but Obamacare. Obamacare is a disaster, just like he was
as a president.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Okay, sounds good. Mike Johnson's out there saying things like this, We.
Speaker 7 (18:01):
Are subsidizing very wealthy insurance companies that is not helping
costs go down, it's driving premiums up even higher. So
Republicans want to fix the broken system. We don't want
to throw good money at a broken and failing system.
And the Unaffordable Care Act has been that since it
was signed in a law passed by the Democrats alone
back in twenty ten. We've got to reduce the cost
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of health care and the cost of living by the way,
and Republicans are the ones that have the ideas to
do that.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Okay, that's good, we have ideas. Do we really, though,
are we going to do something? Because I'm sorry, I've
walked down this road for too long. We're gonna repeal it.
We're gonna repeal it. We're going to repeal and replace it.
You say you have ideas, Scott percent didn't sound quite
as confident.
Speaker 8 (18:50):
Presidents also come forward with a new proposal overnight saying
it's time instead to do away with Obamacare instead to
have the money go directly to the people. Do you
have a formal proposal to do that?
Speaker 1 (19:00):
We don't have a formal proposal.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
But you know, what I have noticed over time is
that the Democrats give all these ability or welling in
names the Affordable Care Act, the Inflation Reduction Act, and
we end up with just the opposite. You know, the
Affordable Care Act has become unaffordable and the Inflation Reduction
Act set off the greatest inflation in fifty years.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
Well, I'm a little confused because the President in posting
about that overnight and into this morning. But you're not
proposing that to the Senate right now.
Speaker 9 (19:31):
We're not proposing it to the Senate right now.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
All right, Look, we need to do something. We have
the House, we have the Senate, we have the Presidency.
I understand there are limits on what laws we can
get through the Senate because we don't have sixty votes.
I understand that, but it's been too long and right
now what's happening is people are sticker shocked beyond belief
for their health insurance, and Republicans need to put forward
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concrete proposals, a law even that will help that we'll
get the government out of it. And if we do not,
you know what's gonna happen. Not for you or me,
but you know what's gonna happen. The normies out there,
they're going to look to Democrats who will promise to
give them more money. They will we have to do something.
Let's get something done. But hey, it is the GOP
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after all. Anyway, let's move on. We're going to talk
to Jillian Michaels in a moment. Remember we used to
watch Jillian Michael's help fat people Lose weight. Now she's
going to join us on the show. Before we talked
to Jillian, I want to talk to you about your
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no fuss, just grabbed it and worked with the cheka immediately.
Do you have one of these big solace mobile companies
that hate your guts, that would turn you into the
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Speaker 10 (21:38):
Many of my friends are unhappy. They think we should
have kept our government closed indefinitely to protest the policies
of the Trump administration. I share their opinions of this administration,
but cannot accept a strategy which wages political battle at
the expense of my neighbors at paycheck or the food
for his children.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
It really is kind of bonkers that they just shut
down the country to just give the middle finger to
Trump somewhere. It's a weird country we live in. Now
joining me now, Gosh. I used to watch her help
fat people lose weight on television. Now she's joining me
on my television show. Jillian Michael's host of the Wonderful
Keeping at Real podcast. Jillian, It's just so odd that,
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I mean, one political party's really stupid, if we're being honest,
that's the GEOP and the other one like these terrorists
that just do the worst possible things. And I don't
know who I'm supposed to root for.
Speaker 11 (22:32):
Honestly, I have tried so hard to get to the
bottom of this, and here's what I've taken away from it.
The Democrats put the COVID era Obamacare subsidies in, they
set them to expire at this time. They were always
supposed to be temporary. The reason they didn't even attempt
to make them permanent is because they were so costly
they never could have even possibly passed.
Speaker 12 (22:55):
And now they're raising, you know, a hell in high
water over this.
Speaker 11 (23:00):
But after they won the elections, they've decided, screw it,
and we're gonna move forward anyway. So the whole thing
was just for optics. This whole we were all held
hostage for optics. That's how it seems to me.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
It does. It's was for appearance's sake. And now, I mean,
now that the government is going back to work, I
don't know that that's a better situation anyway. People can't
afford health insurance. It's a big deals. You've really just
got to try to bust your butt to avoid the
doctor now. Because no one can afford health insurance. It's bonkers.
You know.
Speaker 11 (23:34):
There are so many things that are wrong with regard
to insurance across the board. You can't get homeowners insurance,
you can't get car insurance. There's something systemically wrong with
that entire system.
Speaker 12 (23:46):
But listen, I'm not in government.
Speaker 11 (23:48):
This is not my area of expertise, but I often
wonder we subsidize soda.
Speaker 13 (23:53):
Literally, what if we subsidized healthier things for people so
they would be healthier and health insurance would cost that, Like,
there has to be a better way.
Speaker 12 (24:05):
Surely there has to be a better way.
Speaker 14 (24:07):
And I mean not to.
Speaker 11 (24:08):
Sound like a complete jerk, but we could probably save
the billions of dollars in healthcare costs for people who
are not here legally that end up going to the
emergency room because we are all paying for that. And
this is where I deeply understand America. First, you got
to take care of the taxpayers first.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, it's almost odd that the people of this country
they don't want the country flooded with foreigners in mass
from all over the place. That's a very normal thing
for any citizen. Yet our politicians on both sides has
spent decades doing exactly that. We're supposed to have a
representative government, at least that's what I was taught in school,
but it doesn't look that representative when it comes to
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the issue of immigration at all.
Speaker 11 (24:52):
Have you gone back in time yet and watched the
videos of Obama Bill Clinton Clinton saying all the same
things that Trump said about the border and illegal immigration.
Speaker 12 (25:07):
And in fact, both Obama and Bill Clinton were so
prolific that they deported millions more than Trump has.
Speaker 11 (25:16):
I think freaking Clinton deported like twelve and a half
million using a loophole that he created called expedited returns,
where people who came into the country were shot right
out as though they were never here, if they couldn't
prove they were here for more than fourteen days, and
if they were in within one hundred miles of any
border in.
Speaker 12 (25:36):
The United States.
Speaker 11 (25:36):
And yet when Trump does it, he's an authoritarian, fascist, racist.
Speaker 12 (25:42):
So it's so wild to me.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You used to be a Democrat, and you used to
be a Californian, and apparently you have decided to abandon
both of those communist states.
Speaker 11 (25:55):
What happened, okay, well, what happened, for example, is what
I just mentioned. I don't know who this party is anymore.
And it's been said by people far more intelligent and
well known than me that I didn't leave the left.
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The left left me when I was a nineties Liberal
or in early two thousands liberal. This was not a
party that advocated for open borders. This wasn't a party
that wanted sex changes for children. Nobody believed and having
biological males and female sports.
Speaker 12 (26:34):
Nobody wanted to defund the police. I mean, this was
not a thing. Nobody was emptying rikers. Nobody was doing that.
So the Democrats. Oh and by the way, nobody was
for socialism. And those are just a few examples. We
could be here your entire show with me giving you
a list of all.
Speaker 11 (26:51):
The things that have changed, in my opinion, for the worst.
And that's effectively what happened. The party is unrecognizable and
their policies have wrecked havoc on California.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Do you find it hard to adjust to the Florida weather?
And I might love Florida, but gosh, during the summer,
it's just unbearable. When you were California, where it's just
just paradise weatherwise, that has to suck, right.
Speaker 12 (27:19):
I actually love hot weather.
Speaker 11 (27:21):
But the sad part of this story is that I
have some family that I need to help, and I
have a family member who's older or not well, so
I have to be closer to California. So we ended
up getting a place in Wyoming, which is beautiful, but
it's about to enter like a Game of Thrones kind
of winter, and I will take a Florida summer.
Speaker 12 (27:45):
Over, you know, John Stark winter, any day of the week.
It's just yeah, yeah, But I love the people, and I.
Speaker 11 (27:53):
Love the way it's governed, and it is beautiful when
you are not losing fingers to frostbite.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Yeah. I'm well, well amended with those winners. I grew
up in Montana. I want to play you this little
clip Nancy Pelosi Grandma Vodka talking about Gavin news in history.
Speaker 15 (28:12):
It's clear that this governor has a vision for our country.
He has knowledge of our country and our state, the
state of California, the fourth largest economic in the world.
Gavin manages that way. That's with great dignity. He has
strategic thinking about how to get things done, and that
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is what has brought us together here. When this opportunity occurred.
Speaker 14 (28:40):
Gavin had a plan.
Speaker 16 (28:42):
He's a man with a plan, and that's what brings.
Speaker 14 (28:45):
Us here today.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Setting aside the liquid lunch she had before that little speech,
Gavin Newsome concerns me. He raises good money. He concerns me.
For twenty twenty eight, I personally find him detestable, but
he concerns me.
Speaker 12 (29:00):
Oh God, he terrifies me.
Speaker 11 (29:03):
Joe Rogan said this best. He destroyed San Francisco. Then
you failed upwards and you destroyed California. And now what
it was just a test drawn and you're going to
destroy the country. Nothing is better since Gavin Newsom has
become the governor of California, everything is worse.
Speaker 12 (29:22):
He inherited a surplus.
Speaker 11 (29:25):
Now we have a multi billion dollar deficit. Homelessness is
up by like thirty plus percent.
Speaker 12 (29:32):
Crime is rampant.
Speaker 11 (29:34):
The most vulnerable are getting hurt by his policies. And
I could give you just one example of a law
they passed so cops would not be able to go
after prostitutes for loitering. And they did this because they
were worried about women of color and trans people who
were prostituting themselves.
Speaker 12 (29:55):
On the street.
Speaker 11 (29:56):
Ready, so gangs, of course stepped up their game, and
they're now trafficking miners who have fallen through the cracks
of the foster care system and the police can literally do.
Speaker 12 (30:09):
Nothing about it.
Speaker 11 (30:10):
There's a great article, if you don't believe me, in
the New York Times about it. In the area is
called the Blade. Like this is the kind of stuff
that Gavin's policies have begotten California. And there's been a
mass exodus, and I'll give you one more and then
I'll shut up. He went on Sean Ryan recently and
he's like, oh, utterable utter the people who are living
California not true, not true.
Speaker 12 (30:32):
We've had more people come in, more people.
Speaker 11 (30:35):
So when you actually do a little homework, one and
a half million native California residents and American citizens have
left the state for other states. But he did have
an influx of roughly nine hundred and eighty six thousand
people from other countries. He's just he's a pathological liar
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and a horrible person.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
It was wonderful. It took our most beautiful state and
filled it with foreigners and training hookers. That's where we're
at now, Jillian, thank you man, I appreciate it. Come
back all right, Supreme Court stuff with Bill Jacobson. Before
we get to that. We really do need to try
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Speaker 16 (32:11):
We're going to issue a dividend to our middle income
people and lower income people of about two thousand dollars,
and we're going to use the remaining tariffs to lower
our debt. The real numbers are trillions of dollars have
been taken in or have gotten in terms of investment
from the tariffs. And so if that were ever reversed,
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it would be a disaster. Frankly, it would be a
national security problem for our country. And nobody thinks it's
going to be reversed. I think we had a very
good court case, as you know, it's before the Supreme
Court right now.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
But if that were ever.
Speaker 16 (32:44):
Reversed, you know, people are saying, oh, it's a billion dollars.
Some people said, oh, it's two billions, Well, that obviously
we can handle very easily. But this is trillions of
dollars we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Okay, Trump sounds like he thinks it might get reversed.
That's how Bill about it? Joining me now, Bill Jacobson,
founder of Legal Insurrection cor Now law professor Bill, what's
going on with the tariffs? Are they gonna get overturned?
Partially overturned? But what does all this mean for us?
Speaker 14 (33:13):
Well, I think they'll either get overturned or they won't.
I don't think it'll be partially, and I think it's
a flip of the coin. Listening to over two hours
of argument the other day in the Supreme Court, I
don't think anybody can predict how it's gonna go. What
I do think is that mainstream media has an agenda
to portray it like Trump's gonna lose. Trump's gonna lose.
I don't think that's true. It might happen, but I
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think it's close. And it all gets down to not
whether he properly declared an emergency, but whether tariffs are
one of the items of relief. Having declared an emergency,
he can use because tariffs aren't mentioned in the statute
he's acting under. But there is a term in the
statute called to regulate importation. He has that power, and everybody,
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it was a very strange scene. Everybody during the oral
argument said that phrase gives him the power to completely
cut off foreign trade. He can ban under that power
any imports from China, from the EU, from anywhere in
the world. And Kavanaugh and I think a couple of
the other justices were saying, like, you're telling me he
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can cut off trade completely, but he can't impose a tariff,
which is a much lesser remedy. And that's why I
don't think it's so clear. And the government's arguing these
are not normal tariffs. These are tariffs meant to extract
concessions from foreign governments. So it's really regulatory tariffs meant
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to allow the president to conduct foreign policy. So I
don't know how this is going to go if I
think it's probably leaning against Trump, but it's going to
be close.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Can you drill down a little bit on the declaring
an emergency thing? Those of us who still have PTSD
from the COVID era remembered how many politicians declared everything
to be an emergency. This is an emergency. I can
do this because an emergency bill. Aren't there supposed to
be rules and laws about an emergency otherwise and just
declare them all the time, which they all do.
Speaker 14 (35:12):
Now, Yes, there's a specific statute he invoked passed by
Congress into law which permits the president in times of
national emergency to invoke certain emergency powers, and so he
declared an emergency under that statute. No one seems to
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be questioning seriously that he had the power to do that.
It wasn't really a focus of the argument. The question
is really having invoked that emergency, is tariff something he
can do, and that's really the question. So I don't
see him losing on the ground that he didn't properly
invoke his powers under the statute. The issue will be
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is tariff's one of those powers.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Bill. What's watson is the RNC.
Speaker 14 (36:02):
That is the one regarding what does election day mean?
So there are laws can pass by Congress, one for
elections to the House, one for elections to the Senate,
and one for elections to the presidency which set election
day as I think it's the first Tuesday, the Tuesday
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after the first Monday of November in given years, and
the question is what about mail in ballots that arrive
after that date? Will those be counted? And the government
and the Fifth Circuit are saying, no, election day is
election day. If you want your vote counted, you have
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to have it in by election day. It's not a
rolling date because the laws specify a specific day that
is the election day. And of course this is hugely
important because Democrats have mastered the art of mail in
ballots and there were many cases, I believe in Pennsylvania
and elsewhere where they're counting ballots days after the election day,
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and then you get into all sorts of crazy stuff
like that, you know, what if they arrive a week later,
what if they arrive two weeks later? And it just
creates a lot of suspicion. So that's the question. Does
election day actually mean election day? Or is it just
like a word we use.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Eric Holder whenever he speaks, he usually says something unbelievably terrible.
And he dropped this little doozy, which I'm sure you've
seen here he was.
Speaker 17 (37:39):
It pains me to say this. I think the Supreme
Court is a broken institution and it's something that has
to be I think a part of the national conversation
in twenty six and in twenty eight, what are we
going to do about the Supreme Court? And I think
that we have to think about again talking about the
acquisition and the use of power. If there is a
democratic trifecta in twenty twenty eight, and I think the
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possibility of that is pretty good. Supreme Court reform is
something that has to be considered term limits. I think
at a minimum, potentially expanding the court is something I
think that also should be should be considered.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Expanding the court. This is something Fdr Toyd with. This
is not exactly a new concept, but nobody's actually pulled
the trigger on it. Do you get the feeling someone's
going to.
Speaker 14 (38:28):
I think the Democrats will try whether they can get
the votes to assuming they control the Presidency, assuming they
control the Senate and the House, and assuming they decide
to nuke the filibuster in the Senate so they only
need fifty one votes. I think they're going to try.
This has been a big issue for them, probably would
have happened already except for Cinema and I think it
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was Fetterman wouldn't go along with it, or Mansion. A
couple of Democrats wouldn't go along with it, so it
never happened when Democrats had the you know, the trifector.
But I think they want to. They are so frustrated
that the Supreme Court is an impediment to their absolute power,
and I think they're going to try to nuke it.
I think they're going to try to expand the court
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or do something because they're desperate. They are not getting
the rulings they want, and when they don't get the
rulings they want, they want to change the team. And
that's what they're going to do. So I think there's
a very real possibility if they get their trifecta that
they will try to either expand the Supreme Court or
do some other change that will allow them to grab power.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Bill, what's the story with these seventy people? Trump just
pardoned these alternate electors? Freak elector what's the story with
all this?
Speaker 14 (39:47):
Yeah, so that's an issue which really hasn't made its
way to federal courts yet. But if you recall, it
seems to have faded a little bit into history that
there was an effort that, in the event, a challenge
to the election was successful, that Republicans wanted to have
alternative electors, not the electors selected who would be vote
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for the Democrat, but electors who would vote for the
Republican And it would only come into play if, either
by a court verdict or by vote in the Congress,
the election were reversed. But you need electors to actually
fill those slots and vote, and so various people created
slates of alternative electors to have people essentially on the
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bench ready to go if it was needed. Of course,
it was never needed, it was never used, and the
Democrats have accused them of some sort of fraud. Not
really sure what the legal theory is. The only viable
legal theory is if they found people forging documents, that's
a little different. But the whole concept that having alternative
slates in and of itself is a crime, I think
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is not sustainable. I don't think that's a valid theory.
And so what Trump is doing is he's pardoned all
the people he could think of who were somehow involved
in that effort, either directly or indirectly from any federal prosecution.
And I think he wants to clean slate. He doesn't
want to leave these people at the mercy of the
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next Democrat administration and people like Eric Holder who might
be back in power, who absolutely positively will go after
these people. So it's I think his way of cleaning
the plate at least as to federal charges.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Finally, give us an update on all these Komy, Bolton
Brennan cases. Obviously not asking for a breakdown of all
of them. But how are we looking on somebody going
to prison? Any forward movement there?
Speaker 14 (41:47):
Well, I think probably the most likely candidate would be
John Bolton because he it's a much clearer case where
the others are, you know, Diruction lying under oath, those
are always a little bit fuzzy lying to Congress, and
there are issues as to the whether the US attorneys
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who obtained the invitements were properly appointed by Trump, so
it gets a lot murkier. I would say Bolton is
probably the most one, most clearly at risk, and of course,
oddly enough, he's probably the one who did the least damage.
I mean Komy did the most damage. So I don't
know who's going to prison, but if anybody is, it
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probably would be Bolton.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Bill. As always, thank you, sir, I appreciate it. We
have light in the mood. Next all right. It is
time to lighten the mood. And as we mentioned in
the opening, today is veteran stay. It's wonderful. It's something
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we should focus on, which would be thanking the veterans
in our lives today, people who served. And I always
liked looking back and hearing things like this. My name
is Bill Pickerell.
Speaker 18 (43:10):
I'm ninety eight years old. Don't call us the greatest generation.
I will never forget and witness the horror of the
Nazis war camps. In the Battle of the Bulch, my
friends and I fought to stop the Nazis' last major
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portion in the Western Front, but not many of us
came home. I still miss a lot of my friends
on that beach, and we're there were many of us left.
There aren't many of us left today, but for us
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those of us who are here, that America is still
fighting for America. People say, people is America is an idea,
but I believe America is much more than that. America.
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America is our home, you know. And I was fighting
in Europe and I came back home. I kissed the ground,
thank God that I'm back home in my country and
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where I come from. When somebody comes for me, for
my home. You're digging your boots in the ground and
never look back. And President Trump back in commander in chief.
I would go back to Marianlists today.
Speaker 15 (45:01):
And I was stormed.
Speaker 18 (45:04):
Whatever beach you want, my country wants you, needs to
meet you. God bless you. God bless her home in
the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
I sitable, m hmm.
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