February 22, 2025 • 41 mins
President Trump has signaled that education will return to the states. So what does that mean for American education as a whole? Join Jesse Kelly and his panel of experts as they discuss the future for education in the United States.I'm Right with Jesse Kelly on The First TV | 2-21-25
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
You know, there is a great Lenin quote out there,
and I know Vladimir Lenin was a monster, There's no
question about that. But he was a monster who understood
that education is everything. And I say that as an
uneducated person, right, I say that as somebody who I
don't even have an associate's degree. But education might not
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be the word I'm looking for. A training is probably
the word I'm looking for. Quote Lenin's quote was, give
me four years to teach the children, and the seed
I have sown will never be uprooted. Have you ever
seen pull numbers in the country as far as how
people vote, which we've ever seen that is fascinating, But
there is one number that is eye popping. It was
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talked about a lot in the lead up to the
Trump Joe Biden election. If you go to a university
and graduate from a university, you are overwhelmingly communist. It's
not universal. So don't email me. I graduated and I
don't I'm not interested.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I don't care. The numbers are staggering.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
If you stop after high school, you're probably on the right.
If you go to a university for four years communist
Why people are trainable?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
We all are you are.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I am who you are today, whether you're five watching
me now or ninety five watching me now, who you
are today is in large part a result of the
training you received throughout your life, from your parents, from
your teachers, from your coach, from your work, from your
wherever human beings are trainable. And here in the United
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States of America, the Communists they've been working on us
for a very long time. And you should know before
we get into you know, the videos and things like that,
and wonderful guests in the show, you should understand that
this was done on purpose. Always remember that it was
not an accidental thing. The Communists didn't trip and fall
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and start educating our kids. The Soviet Union, this is
in the early nineteen hundreds. They were trying and trying
and trying to get Communism into America.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
They could not get a foothold. They kept trying.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
It would fail, and they'd get a little foothold here,
and it would fail. They just kept failing and failing
and failing, and they just started pulling their hair out.
Why why can we not get through? And then they
came up with this answer. The American worker is not
like the worker in Russia. The American worker is happy. Generally,
I realized that we all have complaints about our job.
But the American worker is happy. He's provided for. He
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has a home, three hots, and a cot heat, a family.
The American worker is not an angry revolutionary wanting to
burn the system down. Well, if you're a communist, you
don't let that stop your plans of destruction.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
So what to do? What to do?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Well, they decided, Hey, why don't we just start teaching
them instead of trying to whip up a frenzy in
the streets and riots and our normal communist things, why
don't we just slowly but surely work our way into
the American education system, and instead of protesting and rioting
our way to a communist revolution, will simply educate generation
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after generation after generation of Americans to hate themselves, hate
their country, hate their parents, hate their values. And that's
why today your children go to school and in history
class they learn that America is the genocide of Native Americans, slavery.
Of course, that's always in there. Then they'll skip right
to the civil rights movement and uh, too bad, So
sad history class is over. That's the history of your country.
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Why is this taught in school because the purpose of
our education system, our government education system today is in
large part to destroy the minds, to poison the minds
of young people against their own country.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And it was done on purpose. That's why you have
a country full of teachers like this.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
So at the start of a semester, I asked my
students for their pronouns, a reminder that they are not preferred,
but they are the pronouns that we should be addressing
them by. And I also ask them to tell me
if I can use their pronouns in front of the class,
in front of other teachers and when I call home,
because everyone is in a different part of their journey
and we need to read full to respect that.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
I've been doing some reading this summer, and so I
thought I would share a couple of books because you
have a little bit.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Of time left to do some reading.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I also read Jack Not Jackie by Erica Silverman, phenomenal read.
So if you're a K one, two, three, even it's
a really good read called Jack Not Jackie. And I
really enjoyed that and I'm excited it'll be on our
shelves in the media center this fall.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
All Right, we have to talk about this right wing
idea of parents' rights.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
It's literally just fascism.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So this question says, what do your students call you?
Since you're not binary?
Speaker 7 (05:00):
Mico is one of my.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Students, What do you call me? Mika?
Speaker 6 (05:02):
They them, that's my pronouns.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
But what do you call me as your teacher?
Speaker 7 (05:07):
So you know my pronouns?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Are they them?
Speaker 8 (05:08):
You know that you go by or I go by
teacher Roby?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
What are your pronouns?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
She here?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I want to talk about that teacher who said parents
rights is fascism.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
That's an interesting one. Parents rights are.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Fascism because they say these kinds of things a lot,
as if your children belong to them.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
The children are always ours, every single one of them,
all over the globe, and I am beginning to suspect
that whoever is incapable of recognizing this maybe incapable of morality.
From Gaza to little Village to all Scout and all
over the country, the children are all ours, every single
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one of them, and it is our duty to fight
for them.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I'm going to say something I've said to you before,
but I'm going to keep saying it because it's hard
to accept.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It's hard to hear, but it is true.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
There is a very good chance there is a teacher
or several in your child's school, no matter where you
send them, public or private. Who is a predator trying
to break your child, Break your child away from you,
break their morality, break their patriotism, break their spirit. These
people with that mentality. The children belong to us. They
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are everywhere in our communist education system.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
And that is communism. One one. Grab the children.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
They belong to us, they belong to the state. They
don't belong to the parents. We must grab them and
make them our children, children of the state. And of
course you understand the reason behind all of this. There's
a reason. They've tried to break up the nuclear family.
There's a reason. And they go after the children, children
who are taught values by their parents, who hol are
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onto those values, patriotic values, good values. They are impenetrable
to the communist But if you can break a child
away from mom and dad, shatter that connection, hey you
don't have to tell mom, hey, you belong to me, well,
then you can implement communism anywhere you want to implement it.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
They're predators, I know.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
They just look like some fruitcake lesbian in the social
studies class. I understand all that they are predators after
your child.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
And before I move.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
On and play this communist John Denver and we talk
to other guests and things like that, if there's a
Black Lives Matter flag in your child's classroom, that's a predator.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
If there's a rainbow flag, that's a predator.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Any communist indication in the class, that is a teacher
who every single day is trying to shatter your child.
Get them out, all right. Communist John Denver was a
lion voting.
Speaker 9 (08:06):
It's still our best defense against tyranny and fascism.
Speaker 10 (08:11):
When the history books.
Speaker 9 (08:12):
Are written about this moment, let them record that we
the people United, mobilized and voted down this existential threat
to democracy and freedom. That we continue the march for progress,
that we laid the foundation for a better future, and
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that we sought to create.
Speaker 11 (08:36):
A more perfect union.
Speaker 9 (08:38):
Progress is possible.
Speaker 8 (08:41):
Cake marching.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
America's teachers unions. Many of America's teachers, they see themselves
as soldiers. Soldiers run not schools a boot camp, a
boot camp you send your child to every day. Be
ever vigilant in this fight, because I promise you they
are not tired just because Donald Trump won an election.
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All that may have made you uncomfortable, but I am right.
We have a bunch of guests, great ones talk to
him in a moment.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
So my name is Mix Crystal, like checks books. Can
you guys say hi, Mix Crystal? Hi. Anybody know what
mix means?
Speaker 7 (09:46):
There's mister and there's anybody's.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Seen mixed before me.
Speaker 12 (09:50):
Also, mix basically means I'm non binary. That means I'm
I don't identify as a boy or girl, which means
when you talk about me, which have been enough snow
you're gonna say they exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Sorry, That's all I can do is laugh anymore.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
These freaking monsters who teach the kids in this country
joining me now. Doctor Corey DeAngelis author of the book
The Parent Revolution.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
He's been all over this stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Okay, Corey, we've all seen, we've all been enjoying. I
know you've been enjoying the Trump administration declaring.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
War on all this DEI madness.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But all the vile little apparatics educating our kids. Even
if they got the memo, that don't mean they're gonna
follow it.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
This is a total narcissist here in the video mix Crystal.
I mean, it's a she, and she's inflicting her own
imagination onto the children. They could be using that time
to learn how to read, write, or do math, but
instead she's just she's just brainwashing the kids. And the
kids are just like, She's like, do you know what
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mixed means? They're like no, you can hear them in
the response. But this is free advertising for homeschooling. Do
you want to send your kids to this individual where
they're not going to focus on the basics, They're going
to explore their fantasies with the young children. I mean,
look at her jumping around. She looks like she's just
so self absorbed. It's all about her. It's not about
the kids and learning how to read. And why is
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she wearing a shirt that shows her belly. It's just
inappropriate as well for being in the classroom. By the way,
this is a Chicago public school teacher. They spend about
thirty thousand dollars per student per year. It's a government
run failure factory. Thirty three of their public schools have
zero percent math proficiency rates. They can't teach kids the basics,
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but they go ahead and do this random crap that
parents don't want. And this is why parent Trump won
the parent vote by nine points and parents in this
district and elsewhere, if you see this kind of stuff,
you should report it to the Trump administration. He does
have a link out at the Department of Education website
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where if they're not following the executive orders, he needs
to defund them with to take away their federal funding
if they're going to engage in politics as opposed to education.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Speaking of the elsewhere, you just dropped right there. I
can almost see people rolling their eyes because of course,
in Chicago and the United States of America, we're used
to Chicago being kind of the lack of doodal left
wing epicenter of everything.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
But this kind of stuff takes.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Place in Texas, Texas's House Democrats.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
The chair here he.
Speaker 13 (12:34):
Was, how do we tell people we're going to take
your money and give it to rich people so they
can send their kids to private school so they don't
have to have their kids with your kids.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
That is the leader of the Texas House Democrats, Jean
wu And he says that families send their kids to
private school so that they don't have their kids with
your kids. He was talking at a public school there. Well,
guess what, he went to private school himself, and he
now currently sends his kids to private school. Is he
telling on himself?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It seems like that was just.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Pure projection on his part, trying to go all in
on hysterics against school choice for other people's families obviously,
but not for his own. He's a total hypocrite on
the issue. And Trump just tweeted out recently to.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Go all in on school choice.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
He's calling on the Texas House to pass school choice
once and for all. Had already passed the Senate by
a vote by a vote of it nineteen to twelve.
I think the House has the votes to get it
across the finish line as well. The new Speaker, Dustin Burrows,
has responded to both Elon Musk and Trump recently on
social media, saying the House is going to pass the
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bill this time as well.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
How about that fingers crossed?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Okay, let's move on and spike the football a little
bit on. Somebody affectionately known on this show as communist
John Denver Randy Wingarten's taking things hard here.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
She was.
Speaker 10 (14:05):
What we're hearing is just complete chaos and frankly, a
whole bunch of cruelty, because at the end of the day,
you can make departments more efficient.
Speaker 8 (14:16):
And I'm not a big believer in bureaucracy, but this
feels like, as Elon Muff said to you, of visceration.
So here's a guy who has hundreds of millions of
dollars of contracts from these departments and he's not touching them.
Speaker 10 (14:31):
But what he's doing is.
Speaker 8 (14:33):
Really taking money from kids who really need it in
the field. And these departments, yes, they can be much
more efficient, but that's what the Education Department does. It
gives out money to kids so you can feed them
a decent lunch, so we can have, you know, tutors
for reading, so you can actually help kids with math problems.
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That's what's going on right now.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Corey, is that what the Education Department does.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
The Department of Education doesn't even run the federal lunch program.
She doesn't know what she's talking about. And she just
has a severe case of Trump derangement syndrome. Because the
bill in Congress right now would send the money back
to the states. The money doesn't just disappear, you just
stop paying her Lackeys in DC at the Department of Education,
there's forty four hundred employees pushing paper, not doing a
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bunch of anything, making six figures. Randy herself makes over
five hundred thousand dollars a year, and she's previously sent
on MSNBC that the federal government shouldn't be running education,
that the locality should be running education. She accidentally made
the case for abolishing the Department of Education. And there's
a bill right now by Senator Mike Rounds in Congress,
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he's the Republican from South Dakota, and that would literally
send the money back to the states using the Treasury
Department in the form of block grants and things like
cevil rights protections that would move under the Department of Justice,
where should be in the first place, and things like
pell grants would go into the Department of Treasury scholarships
for college. So it really isn't that monumental of a shift,
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but the control would go back to the states. And
Trump ran on this issue. It's very popular with voters.
He also ran on nationwide school choice and this week
recently he's been tweeting out or posting on truth social
and different Red States to advance the ball forward to
pass school choice. That just happened in Tennessee, which became
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the thirteenth state to go all in on school choice.
They're all red states that are doing this. By the way,
the Democrat controlled states are controlled by the teachers unions
like Randy Winingarten, and so even though the voters support
the policies in places like California and New York, the
unions have a stronghold and they're money laundering operation for
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the Democrat Party. All of their contributions from Randy Winegarden's
union goes to Democrats each year. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Okay, Cory, I actually want to up up and talk
about that because that brings me to my final point here.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
School choice is wonderful.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
It very clearly has the momentum, really in large part
thanks to you.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I know, there's been a lot of people working on it.
You've been all over this.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
But the blue states states like California, there are more
Republicans in California than any other state, you know, but
it's blue. It's run by the dirty Communists, and that's
not going.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
To change tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Are they without hope when it comes to all this
Are they just done? Is there nothing that can be
done for these people stuck in these blue states?
Speaker 5 (17:31):
The quickest way to get school choice if you live
in a blue state is to move to a red state.
Moved to Florida, moved to Texas, but no more. Realistically,
if you want to stay in California, push for the
Educational Choice for Children Act. It's a bill in Congress.
It's a federal tax credit. It's not federal money. Following
the student you get to keep more of your own
dollars that don't go to the federal government in the
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form of a tax credit to be used for education expenses.
This is supported by Donald Trump. He said he'd sign
the bill. It already passed side a committee and the
US House of Representatives, the speakers on board, Mike Johnson,
and also the Senate President John Thune, the majority leader
in the Senate, is also supportive of the legislation. So
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Republicans have a trifecta. They need to use it pass
school choice to get it done. Trump campaigned on the issue.
Parents want it, and this would also not just advance
school choice in red states where it's already happening at
the state level, but also expand educational opportunities to families
in blue states. Otherwise, Hopefully, if the Democrats keep being
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on the wrong side of history on this issue, those
blue states will become red states at some point, like
we saw with Terry mccauliff, the Virginia former governor who
lost to Glenn Youngkin on the issue of pntal rights
and education. So the more that Republicans keep hammering this issue,
they're going to win elections on the issue, and Democrats
that they're smart, they'll start to come along too. They'll
read the tea leaves and say, you know what, this
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is a loser for us. We better side with the
kids union, the parents, not just the teacher union.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Who can forget Terry mcculluff giving up a seat, giving
up the governorship of Virginia by telling parents they shouldn't
be involved in their kids' education.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Thank you, Terry, that was masterful. Corey, thank you, brother.
I appreciate you. All Right, we'll be back.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I know you're going to be shocked to hear me
say this, because I'm an uneducated, white trash person, but
we actually really need an outstanding university system in our country.
It's really really critical to have a good institution, higher
education institution in the country. We haven't had one in
quite some time. There are some gems in there, though,
and hopefully we can turn things around. Joining me now,
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Nicholas Jardano, higher education fellow at Campus Reform and a
college professor in Emily's Sturge, she's a Campus Reform reporter.
She's also a student at the University of Florida, Nick
was professor.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Let's begin with you. The university system in the country
has always.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Been a little left. That's not exactly new. But it
wasn't always this bad. So what happened?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
No, it wasn't always this bad.
Speaker 11 (20:22):
When I went to college, I had Marxist professors, but
they actually supported the idea of education. They encouraged debate
and dialogue, and they loved have me in their class
to get into it because college used to be about
seeking out the truth, having this open discourse for intellectual inquiry.
Yet over the last twenty years it's turned more into
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an indoctrination camp. If you go to these four year
university campuses, you're pushed with left wing propaganda and it's
designed to build out the next generation of activists as
opposed to educating the student body. We have, you know
the stats a campus reform that we pumped back, where
your thirty seven percent of graduating seniors can read, write,
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and do math. At the college level, only one third
of college graduates can actually think critically.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And employers have had enough.
Speaker 11 (21:11):
They've begun to move away from four year degree requirements
because they're not happy with the employees, the recent college
graduates that they're getting.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Emily, you are in the belly of the beast. Granted,
Florida is not Berkeley, but you're in the belly of
the beast. How much of an outsider are you now?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
On campus? We all hear the horror stories.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
About the token conservative who's corralled into a group of
ten people while everyone throws toilet paper at them.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
What's it like for you? You know?
Speaker 6 (21:40):
I can attest to this. I can attest to being
silenced in the classroom while I face professors who are
attempting to indoctrinate me with their leftist agenda.
Speaker 12 (21:48):
And I don't buy it.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
I stay true to my values, and I do receive
backlash from my peers. Being a conservative on a college
campus is essentially putting a target on your back, Whether
you're outspoken like myself, or you know, for people that
maybe aren't as outspoken. Even if you raise your hand
in the classroom and talk about conservative ideas in the classroom,
you are putting that target on your back, which is
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why college students are so excited to see specifically conservative
college students are excited to see a presidential administration that
is making us proud to be conservative on a college campus.
We have a presidential administration in office that is restoring
values of meritocracy, that is rooting DEI out of the
federal government, that is restoring women's sports teams. All of
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these initiatives are things that are really resonating with young
conservative students and making us proud to voice our beliefs
on our college campuses.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Once again, Professor, it's very obvious that the culture has
shifted away, at least for the time being. Everything kind
of comes and goes. It's shifted away from this kooky
cultural Marxist garbage that we've been dealing with. Are you
seeing any kind of that kind of shift on college
campus among your dirty ecomedy colleagues or are they just
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still was in trench now as they've always been.
Speaker 11 (23:04):
Well, one of the things that I find interesting is
when we talk about values like a meritocracy, like upholding
the Constitution of the United States. To me, I find
it amazing how these are now labeled as conservative values,
where just you know, twenty years ago these were American values.
It wasn't right or left. It's amazing how far the
left has gone. And as far as my college goes,
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we have a little bit of normalcy. It teach at
a community college, and what that does is our student
body is reflective of real America. It's not the four
year university bubble, so the professors are a little bit
more in line. They obviously lean to the left. It's academia,
but it's more reflective of what real America is like.
The real problem stems on the four year university campus,
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where you have everyone that conforms to this group think mentality,
and if you don't think like them, you're ostracized. Whether
you're a faculty member or you're a student, you're targeted.
And that's the problem. There's no respect for dissenting viewpoints.
They have no tolerance, even though they preach about this
phony idea of inclusion.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Emily, you're not just a student there You're obviously a
reporter for the wonderful campus Reform, So you talk to people,
you ask questions. Do you get the sense? I mean,
the poll numbers look great. It looks like young people,
young women, young men. It looks like they are waking
up a bit. I don't think they're all, you know,
Winston Churchill at this point in time, but they are
waking up a bit.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Are you seeing that at the University of Florida.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Absolutely, I'm talking to members of Generation Z every single day,
whether that's my friends, my peers, people on my college campus,
or even people on social media. I have a good
sense of what's going on in America's college campuses. And
even the Wall Street Journal has reported that there has
been upticks in conservative membership at organizations across the country.
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At universities like Boston University and even at my own university,
I've seen this uptick and excitement about joining conservative clubs
on campus. We've also seen social media trends of gen
Zers wearing their MAGA hats, flying their American flags. It's
very clear that college students are excited to welcome this
administration back into office, and even in things like the
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tech sector, We've seen young people excited about conservative values.
We've seen Elon Musk is Musk's doge eighteen to twenty
four year old engineers excited to help the federal government
root out waste, fraud and abuse. So it seems like
in so many sectors, so many areas of this country,
young people are experiencing this revival and conservative values.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, it's nice.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
We're even getting the nerds now, it was awesome, Professor endowments.
Let's talk about the money, because it seems to be
without end Like you mentioned, corporations are moving away from
the degree requirement because they're getting a bunch of morons
who have college degrees.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
But the University of Harvard, Harvard.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Doesn't have to one hundred billion dollars that have unlimited
amounts of money that it doesn't matter if the tuition
gets too much, it doesn't matter. They appear to be
untouchable with these endowments. How do we even begin to
tackle that? Or you tax them, that's one way you
could deal with it.
Speaker 11 (26:14):
But college is a business and you have to get
students in the classroom and fill seats in order for
the business to succeed.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
When I started at campus, form.
Speaker 11 (26:25):
The very first article I wrote is how there is
a reckoning coming to the higher education system. You have
parents and students that have lost faith in the higher
education system. Only one third have confidence in it. You
have the employers that have walked away, and you have
the donor class that has pulled their funding after they
saw the pro hamas pro terrorist protests that were on
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golfing college campuses. And so colleges have to make a decision.
They either have to reform and get back to the
core principle of education and actually produce students that are
going to graduate and can contribute to our society, that
are going to exercise good citizenry, that understand the concepts
of hard work and merit, or theyre going to continue
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to push a far left agenda that people don't want,
that people have overwhelmingly rejected, including professors on the left
who have actually been targeted by the DEI mobs. And
they're going to stay with the ideological indoctrination camps and
they're going to go out of business, okay, And that's
we're going to see a lot of colleges close their
doors in the next five years. And then you have
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the demographic that's changing. There are less students, so it's
going to be a more competitive environment to fill those
seats at college campuses. So if they don't get back
to the roots of education, many of them are going
to have to shut of their doors. And endowments can
only keep you in business for so long.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, all right, speaking of failure, Emily, you want to
talk about the University of Florida's football team or no,
I'll pass.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
All right, both of you. I appreciate you very much.
Come back soon. We'll be back.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Well.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Education is one of those things that always brings up
debates like public school, private school, whatnot. But we do
lose sight of how much of an education our children
need at home. Homeschooling, if you are able to do so, is,
in general, in my opinion, the best option. But even
if you don't homeschool, you have to educate your children
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at home. Yes, my children they go to school, they
learn math and things like that, and they're not going
to get any algebra from me. But the best lessons
in life are learned at home. We have to be
educators at home no matter who we are. So I
thought Abby Roth would be the first person, probably the
best person I could think of to talk about this
kind of thing. Creator of the first generations own mom abbey,
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Which school could educate your children as.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Well as you can?
Speaker 14 (29:07):
Not one? Honestly, I don't think there's any school out there.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
That could do as good of a job as I
could do.
Speaker 14 (29:13):
And that is not just coming from somebody who you know,
has prepared myself mentally. I think that a lot of people,
a lot of women, a lot of parents, have been
convinced that they would not be able to educate their
children at home. They're just not capable. How could anyone
do this huge undertaking of raising their kids at home
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and homeschooling, And it's such a disservice to us as parents.
We really do have the capability to teach our own children.
That's what people were doing for generations before public school
became the thing. And it's so disappointing to look at
my friends, to look at everyone I know who thinks
that homeschooling is weird, and then for me to look
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at my own children and be like, oh, my two
and a half year old expressed an interest in the moon,
and now he knows literally everything there is to know
about space, ships and space shuttles, and it's just because
he expressed an interest. I thought that was really cool.
I took him to the library, we watched some videos,
we talked about it, and all of a sudden, he's
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an expert. I'm an expert something I never gave a
crap about before my son was interested. Excuse my languid,
but before my son cared about space, you could not
have paid me to care about space. And then because
my son was interested, all of a sudden, I'm like,
this is the coolest thing ever. Because if my kid
is interested, then so am I, and we can learn
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together as a team.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Abby, Please tell me you have discovered If not, you're
you're gonna get on Amazon reticins.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
We're done talking here. Please tell me you have.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Discovered the greatness of the glowing planet in star ecosystem kits.
You have, because I had a kid who was obsessed
with the same thing, and when you turn out his
lights in his room at night, we.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Set up it took a while to do it, but
of course he was involved in it.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
We had like the ecosystem on the walls in the ceiling.
It would sick and he would just sit there and
point everything out. I'm telling you need to nerd out
on that if you haven't already.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Yeah, sounds like I should.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
All right, Now back to what we were just discussing,
us separate of this. Young moms hear you say that,
because it's generally going to be the mom doing the homeschooling. Understandably,
young moms hear you say that, and they'll immediately think, well,
I'm sure Abby is you know some kind of has
some genius education.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I'm not what she is. I didn't even go to college.
I can't even do algebra. I can't.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
And these are very understandable fears because mothers what fathers do.
They don't want to fail their children. They don't want
to set their children back. So that every mother out
there watching you on television right now saying well, yeah,
she's smart and qualified, I'm an idiot. Will you please
talk to that woman.
Speaker 14 (31:52):
Yes, I am not more qualified than you are. I
don't have a degree in education. I don't think anyone
needs a degree in edgecation. And also, I will tell
you that most teachers in public schools do not have
degrees in education. When you are home with your kids,
it's homeschooling. There's a ton of books on this topic.
I am currently reading a book called Kids Don't Need
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School that specifically talks about this. But even going back
to the book Weapons of Mass Instruction, that book teaches
you what schools are actually doing, and what schools are
actually doing is using the Prussian model of education. Now,
the Prussian model of education was really about getting little
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kids and getting you know, educating people to be compliant.
That was the point was we want you to be
little kind of robots working for the government, and we
don't want you to ask any questions. We want you
to memorize, take tests, sit in your seat. And we
still do this today, right, we're still using this model
of education now to teach our children, and we think
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that that's normal, that it's normal for kids to take tests,
that it's important for kids to be tested and to
study and to sit for hours on end, when there
are studies and studies and studies showing that little kids,
especially little boys, cannot sit for that long and are
then diagnosed with ADHD because they can't sit for an
inordinate amount of time. But this Prussian model of education
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really does a disservice to students, to children. It teaches
them how to sit. It teaches them how to memorize,
It teaches them how to listen to instructions and not
ask questions. And what people say is, oh, we're preparing
them for the workforce. Well, there's a reason that people
are afraid to become entrepreneurial because they don't have the
skill set to work outside of a system. So the
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reason I bring all this up is because you don't
have to educate your children in the Prussian model. You
can educate your children to love learning. And to do that,
all you have to do is follow your children's interests.
If you follow your children to interest, they will end
up learning far more than they ever would in school.
There is so much for them to explore.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
For you to help them explore.
Speaker 14 (34:01):
And on top of that, there are so many resources.
There are homeschooling co ops, there are there's conventions in
almost every state, maybe every state for homeschooling parents, where
you can make connections, where you can find curriculums. And
if you're not the one who can teach your child algebra,
there's someone who will be happy to tutor your child.
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I mean, there are so many avenues to homeschooling your
children and taking responsibility not just for your kid's education,
but for who they are. And that for me, is
so important is that homeschooling isn't just about teaching your
child how to love learning and teaching your child certain topics.
It's also that you're home with them all the time,
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so you get to shepherd them and make them the
kind of person that you hope they will be.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Your seven year old boy, it can't sit still. And
it's not because he has ADHD. It's because he's a
seven year old boy. That's why you can't sit still. Okay,
so let's talk about making friends. This is another very
big concern, one of those traditional things about traditional concerns
about homeschooling. Well, I don't want my kid to be
a weird Oh. I don't want him to be some
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freak without any friends. He wants to play sports, he's
a basketball player.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
He won't be able to do that. We talk to
those people, please.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Yes.
Speaker 14 (35:21):
Socialization is the stupidest argument against homeschooling. It drives me
crazy for a number of reasons. One, the socialization that
happens in schools is entirely unnatural because we separate children
not just by age range, but by specific age. In
no other time in history have we said the only
friends you're allowed to have are eight years old. You're
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eight now you can only be friends with eight year olds.
That is insane. Real socialization is spending time with people
who are older than you and younger than you, spending
time with adults, spending time with babies, spending time with
people who are different from you and in different stages
of life than you are. And so the socialization that
we think is normal is not. Also what is socialized
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even mean? What is weird even mean? When we look
at public schools, do we think that the children that
are coming out of public schools are normal? Especially today's
day and age, when public schools are pushing all of
these crazy ideologies on kids. You look at the kids
who are coming out and they're struggling with their sexuality,
their identity, who they are, what they want. I wouldn't
call that normal, and their screen addicted. When you have
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children at home, they're able to socialize a because of
the things like I mentioned co ops. Even just going
out in the world. If I take my kids to
the grocery store, they're meeting everybody there.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
They want to say hi.
Speaker 14 (36:37):
They want to meet the person who's checking them out.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I mean that's socialization in and of itself.
Speaker 14 (36:42):
But they also have a ton of friends just from
the different Mommi groups we go to and the library
and for us, and a huge thing I think is
so important is our religious community. I think a lot
of homeschooling moms spend time in their religious communities. And
for us, even if we didn't see anybody all week,
which doesn't happen frequently, we have a lot of play dates,
but if we didn't see anyone all week, on Saturday,
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for us, because we're Jewish, we spend all day with
our community. So my kids are incredibly connected with people
from all different age ranges at our synagogue, and that's
a huge blessing. I would never say that a child
at home is going to be less socialized, because unless
you are literally keeping them closed in at home, you
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are going to have a chance for your child to
meet other people and spend time with other kids their age, including,
by the way, their siblings, who they spend far less
time with when they are You might hear my children
right now when they are at school than when they
are home. Because I think about this all the time,
that my kids spend all day together, learn how to
(37:44):
function together. And when they are separated and when they
are at other you know, in daycare, in schools, whatever
it is, they see each other maybe a couple.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Of hours a day.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Oh, one final question. Then you have to go find
out what those kids are breaking. In the background, American
parents are watching this and they want to know what's
step one?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
How do I get started? I'm a nervous far and abby.
I don't know what step? Where do I go? Is
it website? Is it a book? What do I do?
What do I go to?
Speaker 14 (38:15):
I mean I think the first step. Yes, there are
books that you can read, just to educate yourself on
different schooling methods. I mean, there's a lot of different
methods out there. There's classical education, there's kind of unschooling,
there's Montessori. There's all these different kinds of methods out there.
But the first thing I always say is just follow
your child's interest. Just see what is your child interested in. Really,
(38:37):
the thing that changed my mind is I had a
friend who was telling me about how she was in
school and hated learning, and her mother just said, you
know what we're done. I'm taking you out of school,
you need to learn how to love learning again. And
if that's your kid, and if you're looking at your
kid and you're saying, this kid hates to read that,
this kid hates going to school every day, you need
(38:59):
to ask yourself, do you want to see your child
hate learning by the time they're fifteen? Do you want
to see your child be so disinterested in taking in
new information and doing something exciting with their time, which
I think is learning new ideas, Then it's maybe something
to consider, like, maybe I should take my child home,
(39:21):
Maybe I should take my child into homeschooling and we
can explore a new avenue here, because it is so
disappointing to see the light go out of children's eyes
when it comes to new concepts, new things that they've
never talked, never learned about. I mean, a toddler is
never going to be bored if they're being exposed to
new ideas, So why does that have to ever fade?
And if we see it fading because of school, then
(39:43):
it might be a good idea to take them out
and bring them home.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Might be a really good idea.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
And I promise at home no one will teach them.
They have to be gay abby. Thank you, ma'am. I
appreciate you as always. All right, we'll be back. Just
(40:14):
be vigilant. You know, when we talk about this stuff
in education and that things happening, it can be overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
What can I do? I'm nervous.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Talk to your child, show up at school board meetings,
run for school board, be involved, homeschool if you can,
If you can get him out of government schools, get
them out. If you can't work around that, we just
have to be aware, and we are more aware now.
I want to make sure I wrap up this show
by driving that point home. We are doing good things
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in ways I have never seen on the right before.
For the longest time, we were lost, completely lost when
it comes to the education system, what was happening inside
of it and why it was happening. In large part
thanks to COVID, we are more awake down than we
have ever been. So feel good about the direction we're going.
But we cannot slow down. We can't tire, we can't
(41:08):
back off, we can't get comfortable. Because Trump won the election,
we have a million battles to fight around this country.
At the local level, there is nothing more important than
the schools, the Communists understood that one hundred years ago.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
We must understand it today. We'll do it again.
You know, there is a great Lenin quote out there,
and I know Vladimir Lenin was a monster, There's no
question about that. But he was a monster who understood
that education is everything. And I say that as an
uneducated person, right, I say that as somebody who I
don't even have an associate's degree. But education might not
(00:31):
be the word I'm looking for. A training is probably
the word I'm looking for. Quote Lenin's quote was, give
me four years to teach the children, and the seed
I have sown will never be uprooted. Have you ever
seen pull numbers in the country as far as how
people vote, which we've ever seen that is fascinating, But
there is one number that is eye popping. It was
(00:53):
talked about a lot in the lead up to the
Trump Joe Biden election. If you go to a university
and graduate from a university, you are overwhelmingly communist. It's
not universal. So don't email me. I graduated and I
don't I'm not interested.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I don't care. The numbers are staggering.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
If you stop after high school, you're probably on the right.
If you go to a university for four years communist
Why people are trainable?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
We all are you are.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I am who you are today, whether you're five watching
me now or ninety five watching me now, who you
are today is in large part a result of the
training you received throughout your life, from your parents, from
your teachers, from your coach, from your work, from your
wherever human beings are trainable. And here in the United
(01:49):
States of America, the Communists they've been working on us
for a very long time. And you should know before
we get into you know, the videos and things like that,
and wonderful guests in the show, you should understand that
this was done on purpose. Always remember that it was
not an accidental thing. The Communists didn't trip and fall
(02:09):
and start educating our kids. The Soviet Union, this is
in the early nineteen hundreds. They were trying and trying
and trying to get Communism into America.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
They could not get a foothold. They kept trying.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
It would fail, and they'd get a little foothold here,
and it would fail. They just kept failing and failing
and failing, and they just started pulling their hair out.
Why why can we not get through? And then they
came up with this answer. The American worker is not
like the worker in Russia. The American worker is happy. Generally,
I realized that we all have complaints about our job.
But the American worker is happy. He's provided for. He
(02:44):
has a home, three hots, and a cot heat, a family.
The American worker is not an angry revolutionary wanting to
burn the system down. Well, if you're a communist, you
don't let that stop your plans of destruction.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
So what to do? What to do?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Well, they decided, Hey, why don't we just start teaching
them instead of trying to whip up a frenzy in
the streets and riots and our normal communist things, why
don't we just slowly but surely work our way into
the American education system, and instead of protesting and rioting
our way to a communist revolution, will simply educate generation
(03:22):
after generation after generation of Americans to hate themselves, hate
their country, hate their parents, hate their values. And that's
why today your children go to school and in history
class they learn that America is the genocide of Native Americans, slavery.
Of course, that's always in there. Then they'll skip right
to the civil rights movement and uh, too bad, So
sad history class is over. That's the history of your country.
(03:45):
Why is this taught in school because the purpose of
our education system, our government education system today is in
large part to destroy the minds, to poison the minds
of young people against their own country.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And it was done on purpose. That's why you have
a country full of teachers like this.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
So at the start of a semester, I asked my
students for their pronouns, a reminder that they are not preferred,
but they are the pronouns that we should be addressing
them by. And I also ask them to tell me
if I can use their pronouns in front of the class,
in front of other teachers and when I call home,
because everyone is in a different part of their journey
and we need to read full to respect that.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
I've been doing some reading this summer, and so I
thought I would share a couple of books because you
have a little bit.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Of time left to do some reading.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I also read Jack Not Jackie by Erica Silverman, phenomenal read.
So if you're a K one, two, three, even it's
a really good read called Jack Not Jackie. And I
really enjoyed that and I'm excited it'll be on our
shelves in the media center this fall.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
All Right, we have to talk about this right wing
idea of parents' rights.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
It's literally just fascism.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
So this question says, what do your students call you?
Since you're not binary?
Speaker 7 (05:00):
Mico is one of my.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Students, What do you call me? Mika?
Speaker 6 (05:02):
They them, that's my pronouns.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
But what do you call me as your teacher?
Speaker 7 (05:07):
So you know my pronouns?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Are they them?
Speaker 8 (05:08):
You know that you go by or I go by
teacher Roby?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
What are your pronouns?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
She here?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I want to talk about that teacher who said parents
rights is fascism.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
That's an interesting one. Parents rights are.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Fascism because they say these kinds of things a lot,
as if your children belong to them.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
The children are always ours, every single one of them,
all over the globe, and I am beginning to suspect
that whoever is incapable of recognizing this maybe incapable of morality.
From Gaza to little Village to all Scout and all
over the country, the children are all ours, every single
(05:56):
one of them, and it is our duty to fight
for them.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I'm going to say something I've said to you before,
but I'm going to keep saying it because it's hard
to accept.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It's hard to hear, but it is true.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
There is a very good chance there is a teacher
or several in your child's school, no matter where you
send them, public or private. Who is a predator trying
to break your child, Break your child away from you,
break their morality, break their patriotism, break their spirit. These
people with that mentality. The children belong to us. They
(06:34):
are everywhere in our communist education system.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
And that is communism. One one. Grab the children.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
They belong to us, they belong to the state. They
don't belong to the parents. We must grab them and
make them our children, children of the state. And of
course you understand the reason behind all of this. There's
a reason. They've tried to break up the nuclear family.
There's a reason. And they go after the children, children
who are taught values by their parents, who hol are
(07:04):
onto those values, patriotic values, good values. They are impenetrable
to the communist But if you can break a child
away from mom and dad, shatter that connection, hey you
don't have to tell mom, hey, you belong to me, well,
then you can implement communism anywhere you want to implement it.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
They're predators, I know.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
They just look like some fruitcake lesbian in the social
studies class. I understand all that they are predators after
your child.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
And before I move.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
On and play this communist John Denver and we talk
to other guests and things like that, if there's a
Black Lives Matter flag in your child's classroom, that's a predator.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
If there's a rainbow flag, that's a predator.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Any communist indication in the class, that is a teacher
who every single day is trying to shatter your child.
Get them out, all right. Communist John Denver was a
lion voting.
Speaker 9 (08:06):
It's still our best defense against tyranny and fascism.
Speaker 10 (08:11):
When the history books.
Speaker 9 (08:12):
Are written about this moment, let them record that we
the people United, mobilized and voted down this existential threat
to democracy and freedom. That we continue the march for progress,
that we laid the foundation for a better future, and
(08:34):
that we sought to create.
Speaker 11 (08:36):
A more perfect union.
Speaker 9 (08:38):
Progress is possible.
Speaker 8 (08:41):
Cake marching.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
America's teachers unions. Many of America's teachers, they see themselves
as soldiers. Soldiers run not schools a boot camp, a
boot camp you send your child to every day. Be
ever vigilant in this fight, because I promise you they
are not tired just because Donald Trump won an election.
(09:14):
All that may have made you uncomfortable, but I am right.
We have a bunch of guests, great ones talk to
him in a moment.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
So my name is Mix Crystal, like checks books. Can
you guys say hi, Mix Crystal? Hi. Anybody know what
mix means?
Speaker 7 (09:46):
There's mister and there's anybody's.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Seen mixed before me.
Speaker 12 (09:50):
Also, mix basically means I'm non binary. That means I'm
I don't identify as a boy or girl, which means
when you talk about me, which have been enough snow
you're gonna say they exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Sorry, That's all I can do is laugh anymore.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
These freaking monsters who teach the kids in this country
joining me now. Doctor Corey DeAngelis author of the book
The Parent Revolution.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
He's been all over this stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Okay, Corey, we've all seen, we've all been enjoying. I
know you've been enjoying the Trump administration declaring.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
War on all this DEI madness.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But all the vile little apparatics educating our kids. Even
if they got the memo, that don't mean they're gonna
follow it.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
This is a total narcissist here in the video mix Crystal.
I mean, it's a she, and she's inflicting her own
imagination onto the children. They could be using that time
to learn how to read, write, or do math, but
instead she's just she's just brainwashing the kids. And the
kids are just like, She's like, do you know what
(10:57):
mixed means? They're like no, you can hear them in
the response. But this is free advertising for homeschooling. Do
you want to send your kids to this individual where
they're not going to focus on the basics, They're going
to explore their fantasies with the young children. I mean,
look at her jumping around. She looks like she's just
so self absorbed. It's all about her. It's not about
the kids and learning how to read. And why is
(11:18):
she wearing a shirt that shows her belly. It's just
inappropriate as well for being in the classroom. By the way,
this is a Chicago public school teacher. They spend about
thirty thousand dollars per student per year. It's a government
run failure factory. Thirty three of their public schools have
zero percent math proficiency rates. They can't teach kids the basics,
(11:40):
but they go ahead and do this random crap that
parents don't want. And this is why parent Trump won
the parent vote by nine points and parents in this
district and elsewhere, if you see this kind of stuff,
you should report it to the Trump administration. He does
have a link out at the Department of Education website
(12:00):
where if they're not following the executive orders, he needs
to defund them with to take away their federal funding
if they're going to engage in politics as opposed to education.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Speaking of the elsewhere, you just dropped right there. I
can almost see people rolling their eyes because of course,
in Chicago and the United States of America, we're used
to Chicago being kind of the lack of doodal left
wing epicenter of everything.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
But this kind of stuff takes.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Place in Texas, Texas's House Democrats.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
The chair here he.
Speaker 13 (12:34):
Was, how do we tell people we're going to take
your money and give it to rich people so they
can send their kids to private school so they don't
have to have their kids with your kids.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
That is the leader of the Texas House Democrats, Jean
wu And he says that families send their kids to
private school so that they don't have their kids with
your kids. He was talking at a public school there. Well,
guess what, he went to private school himself, and he
now currently sends his kids to private school. Is he
telling on himself?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It seems like that was just.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Pure projection on his part, trying to go all in
on hysterics against school choice for other people's families obviously,
but not for his own. He's a total hypocrite on
the issue. And Trump just tweeted out recently to.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Go all in on school choice.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
He's calling on the Texas House to pass school choice
once and for all. Had already passed the Senate by
a vote by a vote of it nineteen to twelve.
I think the House has the votes to get it
across the finish line as well. The new Speaker, Dustin Burrows,
has responded to both Elon Musk and Trump recently on
social media, saying the House is going to pass the
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bill this time as well.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
How about that fingers crossed?
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Okay, let's move on and spike the football a little
bit on. Somebody affectionately known on this show as communist
John Denver Randy Wingarten's taking things hard here.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
She was.
Speaker 10 (14:05):
What we're hearing is just complete chaos and frankly, a
whole bunch of cruelty, because at the end of the day,
you can make departments more efficient.
Speaker 8 (14:16):
And I'm not a big believer in bureaucracy, but this
feels like, as Elon Muff said to you, of visceration.
So here's a guy who has hundreds of millions of
dollars of contracts from these departments and he's not touching them.
Speaker 10 (14:31):
But what he's doing is.
Speaker 8 (14:33):
Really taking money from kids who really need it in
the field. And these departments, yes, they can be much
more efficient, but that's what the Education Department does. It
gives out money to kids so you can feed them
a decent lunch, so we can have, you know, tutors
for reading, so you can actually help kids with math problems.
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That's what's going on right now.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Corey, is that what the Education Department does.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
The Department of Education doesn't even run the federal lunch program.
She doesn't know what she's talking about. And she just
has a severe case of Trump derangement syndrome. Because the
bill in Congress right now would send the money back
to the states. The money doesn't just disappear, you just
stop paying her Lackeys in DC at the Department of Education,
there's forty four hundred employees pushing paper, not doing a
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bunch of anything, making six figures. Randy herself makes over
five hundred thousand dollars a year, and she's previously sent
on MSNBC that the federal government shouldn't be running education,
that the locality should be running education. She accidentally made
the case for abolishing the Department of Education. And there's
a bill right now by Senator Mike Rounds in Congress,
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he's the Republican from South Dakota, and that would literally
send the money back to the states using the Treasury
Department in the form of block grants and things like
cevil rights protections that would move under the Department of Justice,
where should be in the first place, and things like
pell grants would go into the Department of Treasury scholarships
for college. So it really isn't that monumental of a shift,
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but the control would go back to the states. And
Trump ran on this issue. It's very popular with voters.
He also ran on nationwide school choice and this week
recently he's been tweeting out or posting on truth social
and different Red States to advance the ball forward to
pass school choice. That just happened in Tennessee, which became
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the thirteenth state to go all in on school choice.
They're all red states that are doing this. By the way,
the Democrat controlled states are controlled by the teachers unions
like Randy Winingarten, and so even though the voters support
the policies in places like California and New York, the
unions have a stronghold and they're money laundering operation for
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the Democrat Party. All of their contributions from Randy Winegarden's
union goes to Democrats each year. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Okay, Cory, I actually want to up up and talk
about that because that brings me to my final point here.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
School choice is wonderful.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
It very clearly has the momentum, really in large part
thanks to you.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I know, there's been a lot of people working on it.
You've been all over this.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
But the blue states states like California, there are more
Republicans in California than any other state, you know, but
it's blue. It's run by the dirty Communists, and that's
not going.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
To change tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Are they without hope when it comes to all this
Are they just done? Is there nothing that can be
done for these people stuck in these blue states?
Speaker 5 (17:31):
The quickest way to get school choice if you live
in a blue state is to move to a red state.
Moved to Florida, moved to Texas, but no more. Realistically,
if you want to stay in California, push for the
Educational Choice for Children Act. It's a bill in Congress.
It's a federal tax credit. It's not federal money. Following
the student you get to keep more of your own
dollars that don't go to the federal government in the
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form of a tax credit to be used for education expenses.
This is supported by Donald Trump. He said he'd sign
the bill. It already passed side a committee and the
US House of Representatives, the speakers on board, Mike Johnson,
and also the Senate President John Thune, the majority leader
in the Senate, is also supportive of the legislation. So
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Republicans have a trifecta. They need to use it pass
school choice to get it done. Trump campaigned on the issue.
Parents want it, and this would also not just advance
school choice in red states where it's already happening at
the state level, but also expand educational opportunities to families
in blue states. Otherwise, Hopefully, if the Democrats keep being
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on the wrong side of history on this issue, those
blue states will become red states at some point, like
we saw with Terry mccauliff, the Virginia former governor who
lost to Glenn Youngkin on the issue of pntal rights
and education. So the more that Republicans keep hammering this issue,
they're going to win elections on the issue, and Democrats
that they're smart, they'll start to come along too. They'll
read the tea leaves and say, you know what, this
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is a loser for us. We better side with the
kids union, the parents, not just the teacher union.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Who can forget Terry mcculluff giving up a seat, giving
up the governorship of Virginia by telling parents they shouldn't
be involved in their kids' education.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Thank you, Terry, that was masterful. Corey, thank you, brother.
I appreciate you. All Right, we'll be back.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I know you're going to be shocked to hear me
say this, because I'm an uneducated, white trash person, but
we actually really need an outstanding university system in our country.
It's really really critical to have a good institution, higher
education institution in the country. We haven't had one in
quite some time. There are some gems in there, though,
and hopefully we can turn things around. Joining me now,
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Nicholas Jardano, higher education fellow at Campus Reform and a
college professor in Emily's Sturge, she's a Campus Reform reporter.
She's also a student at the University of Florida, Nick
was professor.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Let's begin with you. The university system in the country
has always.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Been a little left. That's not exactly new. But it
wasn't always this bad. So what happened?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
No, it wasn't always this bad.
Speaker 11 (20:22):
When I went to college, I had Marxist professors, but
they actually supported the idea of education. They encouraged debate
and dialogue, and they loved have me in their class
to get into it because college used to be about
seeking out the truth, having this open discourse for intellectual inquiry.
Yet over the last twenty years it's turned more into
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an indoctrination camp. If you go to these four year
university campuses, you're pushed with left wing propaganda and it's
designed to build out the next generation of activists as
opposed to educating the student body. We have, you know
the stats a campus reform that we pumped back, where
your thirty seven percent of graduating seniors can read, write,
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and do math. At the college level, only one third
of college graduates can actually think critically.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
And employers have had enough.
Speaker 11 (21:11):
They've begun to move away from four year degree requirements
because they're not happy with the employees, the recent college
graduates that they're getting.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Emily, you are in the belly of the beast. Granted,
Florida is not Berkeley, but you're in the belly of
the beast. How much of an outsider are you now?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
On campus? We all hear the horror stories.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
About the token conservative who's corralled into a group of
ten people while everyone throws toilet paper at them.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
What's it like for you? You know?
Speaker 6 (21:40):
I can attest to this. I can attest to being
silenced in the classroom while I face professors who are
attempting to indoctrinate me with their leftist agenda.
Speaker 12 (21:48):
And I don't buy it.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
I stay true to my values, and I do receive
backlash from my peers. Being a conservative on a college
campus is essentially putting a target on your back, Whether
you're outspoken like myself, or you know, for people that
maybe aren't as outspoken. Even if you raise your hand
in the classroom and talk about conservative ideas in the classroom,
you are putting that target on your back, which is
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why college students are so excited to see specifically conservative
college students are excited to see a presidential administration that
is making us proud to be conservative on a college campus.
We have a presidential administration in office that is restoring
values of meritocracy, that is rooting DEI out of the
federal government, that is restoring women's sports teams. All of
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these initiatives are things that are really resonating with young
conservative students and making us proud to voice our beliefs
on our college campuses.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Once again, Professor, it's very obvious that the culture has
shifted away, at least for the time being. Everything kind
of comes and goes. It's shifted away from this kooky
cultural Marxist garbage that we've been dealing with. Are you
seeing any kind of that kind of shift on college
campus among your dirty ecomedy colleagues or are they just
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still was in trench now as they've always been.
Speaker 11 (23:04):
Well, one of the things that I find interesting is
when we talk about values like a meritocracy, like upholding
the Constitution of the United States. To me, I find
it amazing how these are now labeled as conservative values,
where just you know, twenty years ago these were American values.
It wasn't right or left. It's amazing how far the
left has gone. And as far as my college goes,
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we have a little bit of normalcy. It teach at
a community college, and what that does is our student
body is reflective of real America. It's not the four
year university bubble, so the professors are a little bit
more in line. They obviously lean to the left. It's academia,
but it's more reflective of what real America is like.
The real problem stems on the four year university campus,
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where you have everyone that conforms to this group think mentality,
and if you don't think like them, you're ostracized. Whether
you're a faculty member or you're a student, you're targeted.
And that's the problem. There's no respect for dissenting viewpoints.
They have no tolerance, even though they preach about this
phony idea of inclusion.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Emily, you're not just a student there You're obviously a
reporter for the wonderful campus Reform, So you talk to people,
you ask questions. Do you get the sense? I mean,
the poll numbers look great. It looks like young people,
young women, young men. It looks like they are waking
up a bit. I don't think they're all, you know,
Winston Churchill at this point in time, but they are
waking up a bit.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Are you seeing that at the University of Florida.
Speaker 6 (24:35):
Absolutely, I'm talking to members of Generation Z every single day,
whether that's my friends, my peers, people on my college campus,
or even people on social media. I have a good
sense of what's going on in America's college campuses. And
even the Wall Street Journal has reported that there has
been upticks in conservative membership at organizations across the country.
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At universities like Boston University and even at my own university,
I've seen this uptick and excitement about joining conservative clubs
on campus. We've also seen social media trends of gen
Zers wearing their MAGA hats, flying their American flags. It's
very clear that college students are excited to welcome this
administration back into office, and even in things like the
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tech sector, We've seen young people excited about conservative values.
We've seen Elon Musk is Musk's doge eighteen to twenty
four year old engineers excited to help the federal government
root out waste, fraud and abuse. So it seems like
in so many sectors, so many areas of this country,
young people are experiencing this revival and conservative values.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, it's nice.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
We're even getting the nerds now, it was awesome, Professor endowments.
Let's talk about the money, because it seems to be
without end Like you mentioned, corporations are moving away from
the degree requirement because they're getting a bunch of morons
who have college degrees.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
But the University of Harvard, Harvard.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Doesn't have to one hundred billion dollars that have unlimited
amounts of money that it doesn't matter if the tuition
gets too much, it doesn't matter. They appear to be
untouchable with these endowments. How do we even begin to
tackle that? Or you tax them, that's one way you
could deal with it.
Speaker 11 (26:14):
But college is a business and you have to get
students in the classroom and fill seats in order for
the business to succeed.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
When I started at campus, form.
Speaker 11 (26:25):
The very first article I wrote is how there is
a reckoning coming to the higher education system. You have
parents and students that have lost faith in the higher
education system. Only one third have confidence in it. You
have the employers that have walked away, and you have
the donor class that has pulled their funding after they
saw the pro hamas pro terrorist protests that were on
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golfing college campuses. And so colleges have to make a decision.
They either have to reform and get back to the
core principle of education and actually produce students that are
going to graduate and can contribute to our society, that
are going to exercise good citizenry, that understand the concepts
of hard work and merit, or theyre going to continue
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to push a far left agenda that people don't want,
that people have overwhelmingly rejected, including professors on the left
who have actually been targeted by the DEI mobs. And
they're going to stay with the ideological indoctrination camps and
they're going to go out of business, okay, And that's
we're going to see a lot of colleges close their
doors in the next five years. And then you have
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the demographic that's changing. There are less students, so it's
going to be a more competitive environment to fill those
seats at college campuses. So if they don't get back
to the roots of education, many of them are going
to have to shut of their doors. And endowments can
only keep you in business for so long.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, all right, speaking of failure, Emily, you want to
talk about the University of Florida's football team or no,
I'll pass.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
All right, both of you. I appreciate you very much.
Come back soon. We'll be back.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Well.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Education is one of those things that always brings up
debates like public school, private school, whatnot. But we do
lose sight of how much of an education our children
need at home. Homeschooling, if you are able to do so, is,
in general, in my opinion, the best option. But even
if you don't homeschool, you have to educate your children
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at home. Yes, my children they go to school, they
learn math and things like that, and they're not going
to get any algebra from me. But the best lessons
in life are learned at home. We have to be
educators at home no matter who we are. So I
thought Abby Roth would be the first person, probably the
best person I could think of to talk about this
kind of thing. Creator of the first generations own mom abbey,
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Which school could educate your children as.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Well as you can?
Speaker 14 (29:07):
Not one? Honestly, I don't think there's any school out there.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
That could do as good of a job as I
could do.
Speaker 14 (29:13):
And that is not just coming from somebody who you know,
has prepared myself mentally. I think that a lot of people,
a lot of women, a lot of parents, have been
convinced that they would not be able to educate their
children at home. They're just not capable. How could anyone
do this huge undertaking of raising their kids at home
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and homeschooling, And it's such a disservice to us as parents.
We really do have the capability to teach our own children.
That's what people were doing for generations before public school
became the thing. And it's so disappointing to look at
my friends, to look at everyone I know who thinks
that homeschooling is weird, and then for me to look
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at my own children and be like, oh, my two
and a half year old expressed an interest in the moon,
and now he knows literally everything there is to know
about space, ships and space shuttles, and it's just because
he expressed an interest. I thought that was really cool.
I took him to the library, we watched some videos,
we talked about it, and all of a sudden, he's
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an expert. I'm an expert something I never gave a
crap about before my son was interested. Excuse my languid,
but before my son cared about space, you could not
have paid me to care about space. And then because
my son was interested, all of a sudden, I'm like,
this is the coolest thing ever. Because if my kid
is interested, then so am I, and we can learn
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together as a team.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Abby, Please tell me you have discovered If not, you're
you're gonna get on Amazon reticins.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
We're done talking here. Please tell me you have.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Discovered the greatness of the glowing planet in star ecosystem kits.
You have, because I had a kid who was obsessed
with the same thing, and when you turn out his
lights in his room at night, we.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Set up it took a while to do it, but
of course he was involved in it.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
We had like the ecosystem on the walls in the ceiling.
It would sick and he would just sit there and
point everything out. I'm telling you need to nerd out
on that if you haven't already.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Yeah, sounds like I should.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
All right, Now back to what we were just discussing,
us separate of this. Young moms hear you say that,
because it's generally going to be the mom doing the homeschooling. Understandably,
young moms hear you say that, and they'll immediately think, well,
I'm sure Abby is you know some kind of has
some genius education.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
I'm not what she is. I didn't even go to college.
I can't even do algebra. I can't.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
And these are very understandable fears because mothers what fathers do.
They don't want to fail their children. They don't want
to set their children back. So that every mother out
there watching you on television right now saying well, yeah,
she's smart and qualified, I'm an idiot. Will you please
talk to that woman.
Speaker 14 (31:52):
Yes, I am not more qualified than you are. I
don't have a degree in education. I don't think anyone
needs a degree in edgecation. And also, I will tell
you that most teachers in public schools do not have
degrees in education. When you are home with your kids,
it's homeschooling. There's a ton of books on this topic.
I am currently reading a book called Kids Don't Need
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School that specifically talks about this. But even going back
to the book Weapons of Mass Instruction, that book teaches
you what schools are actually doing, and what schools are
actually doing is using the Prussian model of education. Now,
the Prussian model of education was really about getting little
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kids and getting you know, educating people to be compliant.
That was the point was we want you to be
little kind of robots working for the government, and we
don't want you to ask any questions. We want you
to memorize, take tests, sit in your seat. And we
still do this today, right, we're still using this model
of education now to teach our children, and we think
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that that's normal, that it's normal for kids to take tests,
that it's important for kids to be tested and to
study and to sit for hours on end, when there
are studies and studies and studies showing that little kids,
especially little boys, cannot sit for that long and are
then diagnosed with ADHD because they can't sit for an
inordinate amount of time. But this Prussian model of education
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really does a disservice to students, to children. It teaches
them how to sit. It teaches them how to memorize,
It teaches them how to listen to instructions and not
ask questions. And what people say is, oh, we're preparing
them for the workforce. Well, there's a reason that people
are afraid to become entrepreneurial because they don't have the
skill set to work outside of a system. So the
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reason I bring all this up is because you don't
have to educate your children in the Prussian model. You
can educate your children to love learning. And to do that,
all you have to do is follow your children's interests.
If you follow your children to interest, they will end
up learning far more than they ever would in school.
There is so much for them to explore.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
For you to help them explore.
Speaker 14 (34:01):
And on top of that, there are so many resources.
There are homeschooling co ops, there are there's conventions in
almost every state, maybe every state for homeschooling parents, where
you can make connections, where you can find curriculums. And
if you're not the one who can teach your child algebra,
there's someone who will be happy to tutor your child.
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I mean, there are so many avenues to homeschooling your
children and taking responsibility not just for your kid's education,
but for who they are. And that for me, is
so important is that homeschooling isn't just about teaching your
child how to love learning and teaching your child certain topics.
It's also that you're home with them all the time,
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so you get to shepherd them and make them the
kind of person that you hope they will be.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Your seven year old boy, it can't sit still. And
it's not because he has ADHD. It's because he's a
seven year old boy. That's why you can't sit still. Okay,
so let's talk about making friends. This is another very
big concern, one of those traditional things about traditional concerns
about homeschooling. Well, I don't want my kid to be
a weird Oh. I don't want him to be some
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freak without any friends. He wants to play sports, he's
a basketball player.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
He won't be able to do that. We talk to
those people, please.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Yes.
Speaker 14 (35:21):
Socialization is the stupidest argument against homeschooling. It drives me
crazy for a number of reasons. One, the socialization that
happens in schools is entirely unnatural because we separate children
not just by age range, but by specific age. In
no other time in history have we said the only
friends you're allowed to have are eight years old. You're
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eight now you can only be friends with eight year olds.
That is insane. Real socialization is spending time with people
who are older than you and younger than you, spending
time with adults, spending time with babies, spending time with
people who are different from you and in different stages
of life than you are. And so the socialization that
we think is normal is not. Also what is socialized
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even mean? What is weird even mean? When we look
at public schools, do we think that the children that
are coming out of public schools are normal? Especially today's
day and age, when public schools are pushing all of
these crazy ideologies on kids. You look at the kids
who are coming out and they're struggling with their sexuality,
their identity, who they are, what they want. I wouldn't
call that normal, and their screen addicted. When you have
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children at home, they're able to socialize a because of
the things like I mentioned co ops. Even just going
out in the world. If I take my kids to
the grocery store, they're meeting everybody there.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
They want to say hi.
Speaker 14 (36:37):
They want to meet the person who's checking them out.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I mean that's socialization in and of itself.
Speaker 14 (36:42):
But they also have a ton of friends just from
the different Mommi groups we go to and the library
and for us, and a huge thing I think is
so important is our religious community. I think a lot
of homeschooling moms spend time in their religious communities. And
for us, even if we didn't see anybody all week,
which doesn't happen frequently, we have a lot of play dates,
but if we didn't see anyone all week, on Saturday,
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for us, because we're Jewish, we spend all day with
our community. So my kids are incredibly connected with people
from all different age ranges at our synagogue, and that's
a huge blessing. I would never say that a child
at home is going to be less socialized, because unless
you are literally keeping them closed in at home, you
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are going to have a chance for your child to
meet other people and spend time with other kids their age, including,
by the way, their siblings, who they spend far less
time with when they are You might hear my children
right now when they are at school than when they
are home. Because I think about this all the time,
that my kids spend all day together, learn how to
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function together. And when they are separated and when they
are at other you know, in daycare, in schools, whatever
it is, they see each other maybe a couple.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Of hours a day.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Oh, one final question. Then you have to go find
out what those kids are breaking. In the background, American
parents are watching this and they want to know what's
step one?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
How do I get started? I'm a nervous far and abby.
I don't know what step? Where do I go? Is
it website? Is it a book? What do I do?
What do I go to?
Speaker 14 (38:15):
I mean I think the first step. Yes, there are
books that you can read, just to educate yourself on
different schooling methods. I mean, there's a lot of different
methods out there. There's classical education, there's kind of unschooling,
there's Montessori. There's all these different kinds of methods out there.
But the first thing I always say is just follow
your child's interest. Just see what is your child interested in. Really,
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the thing that changed my mind is I had a
friend who was telling me about how she was in
school and hated learning, and her mother just said, you
know what we're done. I'm taking you out of school,
you need to learn how to love learning again. And
if that's your kid, and if you're looking at your
kid and you're saying, this kid hates to read that,
this kid hates going to school every day, you need
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to ask yourself, do you want to see your child
hate learning by the time they're fifteen? Do you want
to see your child be so disinterested in taking in
new information and doing something exciting with their time, which
I think is learning new ideas, Then it's maybe something
to consider, like, maybe I should take my child home,
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Maybe I should take my child into homeschooling and we
can explore a new avenue here, because it is so
disappointing to see the light go out of children's eyes
when it comes to new concepts, new things that they've
never talked, never learned about. I mean, a toddler is
never going to be bored if they're being exposed to
new ideas, So why does that have to ever fade?
And if we see it fading because of school, then
(39:43):
it might be a good idea to take them out
and bring them home.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Might be a really good idea.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
And I promise at home no one will teach them.
They have to be gay abby. Thank you, ma'am. I
appreciate you as always. All right, we'll be back. Just
(40:14):
be vigilant. You know, when we talk about this stuff
in education and that things happening, it can be overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
What can I do? I'm nervous.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Talk to your child, show up at school board meetings,
run for school board, be involved, homeschool if you can,
If you can get him out of government schools, get
them out. If you can't work around that, we just
have to be aware, and we are more aware now.
I want to make sure I wrap up this show
by driving that point home. We are doing good things
(40:46):
in ways I have never seen on the right before.
For the longest time, we were lost, completely lost when
it comes to the education system, what was happening inside
of it and why it was happening. In large part
thanks to COVID, we are more awake down than we
have ever been. So feel good about the direction we're going.
But we cannot slow down. We can't tire, we can't
(41:08):
back off, we can't get comfortable. Because Trump won the election,
we have a million battles to fight around this country.
At the local level, there is nothing more important than
the schools, the Communists understood that one hundred years ago.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
We must understand it today. We'll do it again.
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