March 30, 2026 • 19 mins
Today on the podcast - by request - we go into the origins of the TV series "Eating Media Lunch". How did it come about? And what do Jerry and Manaia think about the TV shows being made today?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Daily bespoke content that you won't find on the radio
show The DARKI Breakfast podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hope is Real, Bro, That's what I'd like to start
the podcast with today. I'd like to I'd like to
make a statement. Nobody's ever said this before, but Hope
is Real.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I would like you to update your Facebook profile picture
with Hope is Real. Hope please, Jeremy Wells Hope is
Real twenty twenty six. Cony twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Jimmy Coney, No Coney was Do you remember?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Cony twelve, twenty twelve?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It rings about Bryan wideland Jeremy Coney twelve.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Zoe was four years old and twenty twelve, so she
won't remember.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It wasn't the stuff where they abducted some people in Nigeria?
Was it in I? Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And why can I just ask you? You weren't actually
you weren't actually four years old in twenty twelve. You
know you weren't. You're seven seven or you've ad it?
Matt twelve, What are you now? Twenty two minus serves
two thousand and four four You're born in two thousand and.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Four, five, three thousand and three.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
It was already like nine, but.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Then interestingly, two thousand and three, that's when any media
Lunch started.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Ah, well, here we are and we'll have to come
back to Cony in another time. Blake has written in
the Hodaky Breakfast Facebook page the Conclave, can you please
do a pod one day on just on email and
the genesis of the show, and asked Jerry for us
please is it still watched on Is it? I guess
I think he's trying to say I still watch it
(01:40):
on that YouTube channel froue Eating Media Lunch? So two
thousand and three, that started two thousand and three, that
seems early.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well it was when Zoe was born.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yes, And to commemorate the birth of Zoe, Zoey.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
What month and two thousand and three were you born?
September December? December December? Okay? So Eating Meat Lunch is
older than Zoe and started it started before that, okay,
and better, more fondly remembered, certainly more controversial, more broadcasting
(02:13):
centers complaints against that show than Zoey.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
For sure, and be affects that what So the first
part of the question is about the genesis of Eating
Media Lunch. What was the gis genesis of it?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It was started by It started with a with Paul Kessley,
who now works on Seven Sharps. Still still working with
Paul Kestley.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Now, didn't he come up with or Alive?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
No, that's Dave casse Yes, who's the camera operator. Paul
Kesley and I used to work on Havoc, the original
Havoc show. That's where I first met him, and he
before that used to work on He's Straw People, So
he he is one part of the musical duo with
Mark Tinny that was Straw People. Sweet Disorder. You'd know
(03:05):
it if you heard it.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, probably and uh.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Trick with a knife. Lots of big New Zealand huts. Infact,
won the Silver Scroll ninety four worth really worth Sweet Disorder.
I'm pretty sure we got the hook for Sweet Disorder. Rudder.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Wow, I don't have the hook. I've got that.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Everybody to sleep.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Lisa Corbyn my skin, Lisa Coudra.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Never believe, and so sat.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
We've got the chorus. I think the chorus is about that,
and I will You won't know it, but you will
have heard it in the supermarket. We can't do's the chorus?
Come in here? Okay you again, just talk to the world.
This is not going to come back pre chorus, but yeah,
this song here and I knew of street here we go,
(04:08):
we might as well just played for this. And haven't
heard this on the supermake know I haven't.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Okay interesting, but I guarantee you now I will everywhere
I go.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I've been in a supermaket with Paul Kesley when it's played,
which is quite on you. And so that was that
was her. He was straw people. He used to work
at BFM back in the day. He was the program
director program manager with BFM. Then he worked on Marcus
Lush's show News Night in nineteen ninety three nineteen ninety
(04:52):
four TV, a TV show which had Allison More on it,
and Marcus Lush used to do these little segments at
the end where he'd kind of he'd go off and
do something funny, the interview someone or maybe just wander
around a refuse collection or something, and Paul directed it
and they had a great combo those two. And then
(05:14):
he started working on the Havoc Show and that was great.
We did stuff together. They came up with the other
of fun with meat and Paul had lots of great
idea amazing ideas.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
And.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Then he stopped working on the Havoc Show because you
try to get him fired. Never, it wouldn't be that stupid.
He stag's the coy. No, he I think just got
sick of you, sick of it?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Why did you chant down with Paul?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And and then he went away and did some other things.
And then I always thought, God be good to do
another show with him at some stage, and we had
a similar taste and television. And then in about two
thousand and two or something like that, Mikey decided that
he wanted to start working. He wanted to stop working
(06:11):
at tv Z wanted to go and work at TV
take the Havoc Show to TV three oh, which I
didn't think was a great idea at the time, and
he thought that was the way ford. He didn't think
that we were getting the right support from TV and Z.
I disagreed with that. Actually I thought we were. And
so in the end he wanted to do that and
(06:32):
I didn't, So we went our separate ways. And that
then I was having chatting to Paul about doing something
at some stage. And then Phil Smith, who owns Great
Southern Television, made The Lion Man.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yes, made just about every TV show New Zealand's ever made. Yeah,
has gone on since The Lineman to make a lot
of other television almost every yeah it seems, The Casketeers, Yeah,
a lot of the one Lane Bridge, one l Yes,
Yes drama. Also, for one summer the acc had to
broadcast out of his house on the North Shore because
(07:07):
we had nowhere.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Else to broadcast from. Remember that. So yeah, film from
a very successful producer, very good at wrangling things, pulling
things together. He was once the producer of homes.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Getting things funded seems to be his very good because
that is that is the only thing that happened like
trying to get a TV show made ninety nine percent
of it is who's going to fund this?
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Well?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Seems to be his magic does.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
He was really good at writing proposals, which was never
my skill or Paul's skill.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Here's a fun fact for you on proposals. I did
want in September, No Lee Hart, when he first moved
to Aukland, he was writing TV proposals the Greenstone Yeah Yeah,
also very successful production company thanks to Lee Heart's proposals. Yes,
And then he was fired from there because he was
using that We talked about this recently. He was using
their stationary to print Moon mag scene at the time,
(08:01):
and they dismissed them to that.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, that's right. So then in two thousand and three,
I was chatting with Paul and Phil Smith and we
said it'd be good to do a television show at
some stage, a satirical kind of a television show. Paul
and I had some ideas for what we thought that
would be, and then Phil Smith wrangled it together, got
the proposal together, and it happened. Yeah, And then we
(08:25):
put a team together. And I always sort it'd be
good to collaborate with some people who Paul and I
both admired. Lee Baker had done these great stories on
the news on the Auckland power crisis that were spoofs
that were on Nightline, and we saw them, both Paul
and I saw them, and we went and this guy's
really good, Like they were really funny, and no one
(08:46):
else was doing stuff like that, and so we said,
wun't be good if he was on our team, So
we got him involved.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Lee Baker of Lee Baker of Neighbors at War Fame
Yes later later.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Later on, and so yeah, we put a team together.
Of people and then yeah, we started up doing it
that way and sort of came up with what we
the idea of it, and it wasn't like we weren't.
I think people will probably watch The Brass Eye or
Brass Eye in the day to day and they say, oh, yeah,
I see what's going on there, and they're definitely heavily
(09:19):
influenced by Chris Morris, but it was still kind of
nobody had kind of done a show that was based
in reality. Because the show has actually had a lot
of stories that were kind of real, focused on the media,
and it also spelt something.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
What well, I didn't think I had and I haven't
spilt water anywhere, but there's water coming out of this.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It's urinating your keyboards, urinating, urinating. Sorry, this is not
the first time it's done. Whe's in the studio that keyboard.
Put a nappy around that thing.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I have not spelt water anywhere.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
That's going to be old water, then, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
It Someone put a nappy around that thing.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
During That's what these are of the water.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And no, I got those paper towels yesterday. I got
those papers because of the because of the guests with
the apples.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
This is a sign is mentioned in Revelations.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
This is like the statue of Mary bleeding.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
When the keyboard urinates. It's the beginning of the end times.
How this is my glass water? It's not, but how
it's sorry okay.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
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Speaker 2 (10:40):
And so then we made the show and it was
all of the things that we have had always wanted
to do and we got to do them at ten
o'clock at night on TV two tv Z two and
people liked it. It was kind of full on to
make because it was we only do six shows at
the time. We decided that you were were doing that,
(11:01):
it's better to do six good shows and then have
a bit of a break.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Anyone who's listened to our radio show would know that
more isn't It doesn't mean better. More.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
More is hard to do.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
If it was up to us, it'd be one show
a week and that one show would be good. But
unfortunately we have to do five and they're all shit.
But between all of them, there is one good show
in there.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, and that Eddie mid Lunch was idea hungry and
we'd often start with about twenty two minute episodes. We'd
often start with like thirty four minutes, and it would
cut down, cut down, cut down, and so it was
what you'd end up with, twenty two minutes of quite
good stuff as opposed to trying to pad out twenty
two minutes, which I'd been a part of in the past.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Definitely on the day, last days of Heavy and this podcast.
And so it went from two thousand and we did
eight seasons and that was about enough and that was
the end of it.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Eight seasons over eight years.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Eight seasons, no, over about six six years. Yeah, two
thousand and three to about two thousand and eight or
two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Did the little cartoons are there?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, that's right. There was Anthony Ellison who was who
used to do these cartoons for the Listener and they
were hit real nasty cartoons and they were really weird.
Yeah they were weird. Yeah, he's quite weird, Anthony Ellison.
That's weird but lovely but weird.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
But they were great because it was like, what does
the I don't really they just.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Set separate to us, so he just would do it
for us and then it's sended in and we didn't
do anything. So it would just be like every every
week he'd do another one and we didn't know what
half the time. I was like, I don't even understand this.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
You're like, what the hell is going on? That was
a real There was a great period in New Zealand
TV around then. There was they felt like early two thousands.
There was a lot going on, you know, and there
was a lot of weird shit happening.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
There was Moon TV was going on at that time. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Back of the Why, Back of the Why all playing
like that night.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Great show. I mean Back of the Why. When I
first watched the first episode of Back I was like, Wow,
that's that's amazing. That was full on. It would never
like you would need our show was full on. That
was way more full on. That was the most full
on television show maybe that's ever been made in the
history of the world that we've made there.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, and they were all on on like a Thursday night,
And I remember that because we they were on like
because I had a TV that could only get like
Channel two and three. I couldn't get Channel one and
then everything that was read was purple. That was in
spare room, so I could go in there and watch
that and just pray that mom forgot about me, so
I could watch it until midnight, watch all that shit.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, so it was definitely a good time. It was
a good time because there was lots of money around
from New Zealand here, and there was the charter which
TVNZ had, like I think it was twenty five million
or maybe thirty million, I can't remember, except for millions. Yeah,
to spend on shows that would not really be popular
and to help New Zealand's cultural identity. That was the
(13:57):
idea of it. Yeah, really set up by the Labor government.
So how the unfortunately TV and Z then spent it
on on buying the coverage for the Olympics, and the
government found out about it and immediately cut it. Yeah,
so that's annoying because it was a shocker. I didn't
know it was a shock from TV and Z. That
is a shock. The CEO should have been fired for that,
(14:18):
in my opinion, that is insane that he wasn't, because.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
When you look at like tvn Z now TV in general,
you know it's obviously all going online streaming all that
kind of stuff that this has been coming for about
five years now that people, you know, we've seen this coming.
I don't know how TVNZ in in particular, because government owned,
hasn't just gone to all the TikTokers and the instagrammers
and said, here's you know, however much money can you
make us a thirty minute show and then well you
(14:43):
put that all on the streaming things. How's that not
just full of all those influencer DIDs TV shows.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
It sounds like a no brainer to me, because that's
our current version of what you guys are doing back then.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, well, I think because it already exists, people just
go to where it goes, I think, to then reclaim
it and put it somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I don't know, Okay, so then yeah, because it already
exists on Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
This is the problem with would you bother? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
The thing is with particularly digital stuff, it's like you
can get it on your phone, on Instagram, you can
get it on tik tok. Yeah, So why would people
go to TVNZ plus for that? I think this is
always the problem that TV's got at the moment, TVNZ
has been set up as a free to wear TV shirt.
It's public broadcaster, I.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Feel like, and I can't remember it. I felt like
it was TVNZ, but it might have been TV three sorry.
And a few years ago they did this thing where
they're like calling all young producers, directors and actors put
together an idea for a pilot, and then they had
all of these people submit these things and then I
think they made like a four part series of The
Winner and people had to vote on it. But man,
(15:49):
that was some free content for them that the people
making it had to pay for. You had to figure out.
And then it's like, oh, and we're just going to
put all of this stuff on our streaming.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It's weird it do young producers and now they're just
making stuff, just making stuff on TikTok or they're making
stuff on Instagram. I mean, why would they bother like
going to New Zealand on air and asking for New
Zealand on their money, which is now heavily politicized. It
just does that and then New Zealand and he will
tell you what you can and can't do.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I mean, having said that, I've got a TV show
to pitch.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Oh yeah, can I patch it to you guys?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Someone's going to steal his idea this into a microphone.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
It's too good.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I've already talked to Lee Baker about this. He thinks
it's got leaks. It's called beneficiaries and we take people
on the benefit and teach them how to fish. So
you know a man of fish and leave for a day,
teach a man to fish, and you've got beneficiary beneficshery
and it's man. I just go and grab an unhoused
(16:47):
gentleman from around the corner yep, and we go down
and were just fish.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I like this. And do you go out to different
spot famous spots around the place or you just take
it straight up and the hodd god do Yeah? You've
got the boat waiting to go down there and the
Princess wharf and it's.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Or do we just drop a line off the back
of the Stevens you got the.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Buccaneer or ready to go? You know, I reckon you
take them out? Yeah? Yeah, I reckon you take them
out on the boat.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So because I photo drone shots.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
It takes so many different boxes. Fisies, Bennie Fisheries and
then and then you just learn about the story of
their life while you're out there. Yes, and so you
learn about how they ended up in the situation that
they own. I get paid, they don't, but I get
paid because it's my idea. But they don't get paid
for but get a fish from everyone they get to
take back to the community. I don't know if it's
(17:37):
a good fresh opro keep it and and maybe we
get famous fishermen to come on with.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Us as well. And do you have a glass barbecue
on the boat really to cook the fish that on
the glass barbie? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Maybe, yeah, maybe, I don't know the good look we're
work shopping it. But anyway, if you can put me
in touch with thees, you.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Know, I like it. I think it's got I think
it would be a good whib s herees. I mean
whether or not it's going to work at sort of
eight o'clock TV and ZID one, I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
TV and Z plus sort of on demand.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Seven thirty right after seven sharp just catch that audience.
But you guys like this light entertainment, get ready for
some homeless dude.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Sufficient Yeah, I say you're going to go to New
Zealand and here with that idea yep.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
And mango pa as well.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, well like with some funding there got plenty of money,
and then I'll do it. Give a little yep.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
I like this.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It's it's it should it's an idea that should should
find its home somewhere. Whether or not it's TV and Z,
I'm not sure, but it's it's an idea that's got
a home.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Ask them about issues facing the unhoused community at the moment, Like,
remember when all those myth lollies were gone around and
they got donated to a shelter. But did you get
in any of those lollies?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You know? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
The only thing I'd worry about is the creators, obviously
yourself and Lee Baker. No Baker.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I just pitched it to him.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Okay, he doesn't want anything to do with it.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
No skeletons in the closet because obviously if it's a
success and then people find out that you're behind it, and
then they're like, oh, but that thing you did in
twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
My mild tweets Yeah, year, if something dodgy happens, you
start taking some unhoused females out. Next thing you know,
there's been relations out in the water matter mergers, then
you'll be in trouble. People will be looking to bring
you down. Put it that way, they will.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
They'll be a target on my back. Hey, I'm willing
to and then, and they're just of independent journalism. I'm
willing to try it.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Just careful with the tall poppies.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Man.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
There's a great Kiwi clobbering machine that's out there ready
to clobber.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
What happened to eating media lunch?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Great Kiwi clobbering machine came through and clobb Yeah, that's
what happens. Yeah, it's the way.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
All right then, Okay, are you happy?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Blake? No? Probably?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Jerry and Maniah. Catch the radio show from six to
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hope is Real, Bro, That's what I'd like to start
the podcast with today. I'd like to I'd like to
make a statement. Nobody's ever said this before, but Hope
is Real.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I would like you to update your Facebook profile picture
with Hope is Real. Hope please, Jeremy Wells Hope is
Real twenty twenty six. Cony twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Jimmy Coney, No Coney was Do you remember?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Cony twelve, twenty twelve?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It rings about Bryan wideland Jeremy Coney twelve.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Zoe was four years old and twenty twelve, so she
won't remember.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It wasn't the stuff where they abducted some people in Nigeria?
Was it in I? Okay?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And why can I just ask you? You weren't actually
you weren't actually four years old in twenty twelve. You
know you weren't. You're seven seven or you've ad it?
Matt twelve, What are you now? Twenty two minus serves
two thousand and four four You're born in two thousand and.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Four, five, three thousand and three.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
It was already like nine, but.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Then interestingly, two thousand and three, that's when any media
Lunch started.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Ah, well, here we are and we'll have to come
back to Cony in another time. Blake has written in
the Hodaky Breakfast Facebook page the Conclave, can you please
do a pod one day on just on email and
the genesis of the show, and asked Jerry for us
please is it still watched on Is it? I guess
I think he's trying to say I still watch it
(01:40):
on that YouTube channel froue Eating Media Lunch? So two
thousand and three, that started two thousand and three, that
seems early.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well it was when Zoe was born.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yes, And to commemorate the birth of Zoe, Zoey.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
What month and two thousand and three were you born?
September December? December December? Okay? So Eating Meat Lunch is
older than Zoe and started it started before that, okay,
and better, more fondly remembered, certainly more controversial, more broadcasting
(02:13):
centers complaints against that show than Zoey.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
For sure, and be affects that what So the first
part of the question is about the genesis of Eating
Media Lunch. What was the gis genesis of it?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It was started by It started with a with Paul Kessley,
who now works on Seven Sharps. Still still working with
Paul Kestley.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Now, didn't he come up with or Alive?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
No, that's Dave casse Yes, who's the camera operator. Paul
Kesley and I used to work on Havoc, the original
Havoc show. That's where I first met him, and he
before that used to work on He's Straw People, So
he he is one part of the musical duo with
Mark Tinny that was Straw People. Sweet Disorder. You'd know
(03:05):
it if you heard it.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, probably and uh.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Trick with a knife. Lots of big New Zealand huts. Infact,
won the Silver Scroll ninety four worth really worth Sweet Disorder.
I'm pretty sure we got the hook for Sweet Disorder. Rudder.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Wow, I don't have the hook. I've got that.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Everybody to sleep.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Lisa Corbyn my skin, Lisa Coudra.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Never believe, and so sat.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
We've got the chorus. I think the chorus is about that,
and I will You won't know it, but you will
have heard it in the supermarket. We can't do's the chorus?
Come in here? Okay you again, just talk to the world.
This is not going to come back pre chorus, but yeah,
this song here and I knew of street here we go,
(04:08):
we might as well just played for this. And haven't
heard this on the supermake know I haven't.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Okay interesting, but I guarantee you now I will everywhere
I go.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I've been in a supermaket with Paul Kesley when it's played,
which is quite on you. And so that was that
was her. He was straw people. He used to work
at BFM back in the day. He was the program
director program manager with BFM. Then he worked on Marcus
Lush's show News Night in nineteen ninety three nineteen ninety
(04:52):
four TV, a TV show which had Allison More on it,
and Marcus Lush used to do these little segments at
the end where he'd kind of he'd go off and
do something funny, the interview someone or maybe just wander
around a refuse collection or something, and Paul directed it
and they had a great combo those two. And then
(05:14):
he started working on the Havoc Show and that was great.
We did stuff together. They came up with the other
of fun with meat and Paul had lots of great
idea amazing ideas.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
And.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Then he stopped working on the Havoc Show because you
try to get him fired. Never, it wouldn't be that stupid.
He stag's the coy. No, he I think just got
sick of you, sick of it?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Why did you chant down with Paul?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And and then he went away and did some other things.
And then I always thought, God be good to do
another show with him at some stage, and we had
a similar taste and television. And then in about two
thousand and two or something like that, Mikey decided that
he wanted to start working. He wanted to stop working
(06:11):
at tv Z wanted to go and work at TV
take the Havoc Show to TV three oh, which I
didn't think was a great idea at the time, and
he thought that was the way ford. He didn't think
that we were getting the right support from TV and Z.
I disagreed with that. Actually I thought we were. And
so in the end he wanted to do that and
(06:32):
I didn't, So we went our separate ways. And that
then I was having chatting to Paul about doing something
at some stage. And then Phil Smith, who owns Great
Southern Television, made The Lion Man.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yes, made just about every TV show New Zealand's ever made. Yeah,
has gone on since The Lineman to make a lot
of other television almost every yeah it seems, The Casketeers, Yeah,
a lot of the one Lane Bridge, one l Yes,
Yes drama. Also, for one summer the acc had to
broadcast out of his house on the North Shore because
(07:07):
we had nowhere.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Else to broadcast from. Remember that. So yeah, film from
a very successful producer, very good at wrangling things, pulling
things together. He was once the producer of homes.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Getting things funded seems to be his very good because
that is that is the only thing that happened like
trying to get a TV show made ninety nine percent
of it is who's going to fund this?
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Well?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Seems to be his magic does.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
He was really good at writing proposals, which was never
my skill or Paul's skill.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Here's a fun fact for you on proposals. I did
want in September, No Lee Hart, when he first moved
to Aukland, he was writing TV proposals the Greenstone Yeah Yeah,
also very successful production company thanks to Lee Heart's proposals. Yes,
And then he was fired from there because he was
using that We talked about this recently. He was using
their stationary to print Moon mag scene at the time,
(08:01):
and they dismissed them to that.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, that's right. So then in two thousand and three,
I was chatting with Paul and Phil Smith and we
said it'd be good to do a television show at
some stage, a satirical kind of a television show. Paul
and I had some ideas for what we thought that
would be, and then Phil Smith wrangled it together, got
the proposal together, and it happened. Yeah, And then we
(08:25):
put a team together. And I always sort it'd be
good to collaborate with some people who Paul and I
both admired. Lee Baker had done these great stories on
the news on the Auckland power crisis that were spoofs
that were on Nightline, and we saw them, both Paul
and I saw them, and we went and this guy's
really good, Like they were really funny, and no one
(08:46):
else was doing stuff like that, and so we said,
wun't be good if he was on our team, So
we got him involved.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Lee Baker of Lee Baker of Neighbors at War Fame
Yes later later.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Later on, and so yeah, we put a team together.
Of people and then yeah, we started up doing it
that way and sort of came up with what we
the idea of it, and it wasn't like we weren't.
I think people will probably watch The Brass Eye or
Brass Eye in the day to day and they say, oh, yeah,
I see what's going on there, and they're definitely heavily
(09:19):
influenced by Chris Morris, but it was still kind of
nobody had kind of done a show that was based
in reality. Because the show has actually had a lot
of stories that were kind of real, focused on the media,
and it also spelt something.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
What well, I didn't think I had and I haven't
spilt water anywhere, but there's water coming out of this.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It's urinating your keyboards, urinating, urinating. Sorry, this is not
the first time it's done. Whe's in the studio that keyboard.
Put a nappy around that thing.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I have not spelt water anywhere.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
That's going to be old water, then, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
It Someone put a nappy around that thing.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
During That's what these are of the water.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And no, I got those paper towels yesterday. I got
those papers because of the because of the guests with
the apples.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
This is a sign is mentioned in Revelations.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
This is like the statue of Mary bleeding.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
When the keyboard urinates. It's the beginning of the end times.
How this is my glass water? It's not, but how
it's sorry okay.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
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Speaker 2 (10:40):
And so then we made the show and it was
all of the things that we have had always wanted
to do and we got to do them at ten
o'clock at night on TV two tv Z two and
people liked it. It was kind of full on to
make because it was we only do six shows at
the time. We decided that you were were doing that,
(11:01):
it's better to do six good shows and then have
a bit of a break.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Anyone who's listened to our radio show would know that
more isn't It doesn't mean better. More.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
More is hard to do.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
If it was up to us, it'd be one show
a week and that one show would be good. But
unfortunately we have to do five and they're all shit.
But between all of them, there is one good show
in there.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, and that Eddie mid Lunch was idea hungry and
we'd often start with about twenty two minute episodes. We'd
often start with like thirty four minutes, and it would
cut down, cut down, cut down, and so it was
what you'd end up with, twenty two minutes of quite
good stuff as opposed to trying to pad out twenty
two minutes, which I'd been a part of in the past.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Definitely on the day, last days of Heavy and this podcast.
And so it went from two thousand and we did
eight seasons and that was about enough and that was
the end of it.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Eight seasons over eight years.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Eight seasons, no, over about six six years. Yeah, two
thousand and three to about two thousand and eight or
two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Did the little cartoons are there?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, that's right. There was Anthony Ellison who was who
used to do these cartoons for the Listener and they
were hit real nasty cartoons and they were really weird.
Yeah they were weird. Yeah, he's quite weird, Anthony Ellison.
That's weird but lovely but weird.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
But they were great because it was like, what does
the I don't really they just.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Set separate to us, so he just would do it
for us and then it's sended in and we didn't
do anything. So it would just be like every every
week he'd do another one and we didn't know what
half the time. I was like, I don't even understand this.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
You're like, what the hell is going on? That was
a real There was a great period in New Zealand
TV around then. There was they felt like early two thousands.
There was a lot going on, you know, and there
was a lot of weird shit happening.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
There was Moon TV was going on at that time. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Back of the Why, Back of the Why all playing
like that night.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Great show. I mean Back of the Why. When I
first watched the first episode of Back I was like, Wow,
that's that's amazing. That was full on. It would never
like you would need our show was full on. That
was way more full on. That was the most full
on television show maybe that's ever been made in the
history of the world that we've made there.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, and they were all on on like a Thursday night,
And I remember that because we they were on like
because I had a TV that could only get like
Channel two and three. I couldn't get Channel one and
then everything that was read was purple. That was in
spare room, so I could go in there and watch
that and just pray that mom forgot about me, so
I could watch it until midnight, watch all that shit.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, so it was definitely a good time. It was
a good time because there was lots of money around
from New Zealand here, and there was the charter which
TVNZ had, like I think it was twenty five million
or maybe thirty million, I can't remember, except for millions. Yeah,
to spend on shows that would not really be popular
and to help New Zealand's cultural identity. That was the
(13:57):
idea of it. Yeah, really set up by the Labor government.
So how the unfortunately TV and Z then spent it
on on buying the coverage for the Olympics, and the
government found out about it and immediately cut it. Yeah,
so that's annoying because it was a shocker. I didn't
know it was a shock from TV and Z. That
is a shock. The CEO should have been fired for that,
(14:18):
in my opinion, that is insane that he wasn't, because.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
When you look at like tvn Z now TV in general,
you know it's obviously all going online streaming all that
kind of stuff that this has been coming for about
five years now that people, you know, we've seen this coming.
I don't know how TVNZ in in particular, because government owned,
hasn't just gone to all the TikTokers and the instagrammers
and said, here's you know, however much money can you
make us a thirty minute show and then well you
(14:43):
put that all on the streaming things. How's that not
just full of all those influencer DIDs TV shows.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
It sounds like a no brainer to me, because that's
our current version of what you guys are doing back then.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, well, I think because it already exists, people just
go to where it goes, I think, to then reclaim
it and put it somewhere else.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I don't know, Okay, so then yeah, because it already
exists on Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
This is the problem with would you bother? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
The thing is with particularly digital stuff, it's like you
can get it on your phone, on Instagram, you can
get it on tik tok. Yeah, So why would people
go to TVNZ plus for that? I think this is
always the problem that TV's got at the moment, TVNZ
has been set up as a free to wear TV shirt.
It's public broadcaster, I.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Feel like, and I can't remember it. I felt like
it was TVNZ, but it might have been TV three sorry.
And a few years ago they did this thing where
they're like calling all young producers, directors and actors put
together an idea for a pilot, and then they had
all of these people submit these things and then I
think they made like a four part series of The
Winner and people had to vote on it. But man,
(15:49):
that was some free content for them that the people
making it had to pay for. You had to figure out.
And then it's like, oh, and we're just going to
put all of this stuff on our streaming.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It's weird it do young producers and now they're just
making stuff, just making stuff on TikTok or they're making
stuff on Instagram. I mean, why would they bother like
going to New Zealand on air and asking for New
Zealand on their money, which is now heavily politicized. It
just does that and then New Zealand and he will
tell you what you can and can't do.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I mean, having said that, I've got a TV show
to pitch.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Oh yeah, can I patch it to you guys?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Someone's going to steal his idea this into a microphone.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
It's too good.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
I've already talked to Lee Baker about this. He thinks
it's got leaks. It's called beneficiaries and we take people
on the benefit and teach them how to fish. So
you know a man of fish and leave for a day,
teach a man to fish, and you've got beneficiary beneficshery
and it's man. I just go and grab an unhoused
(16:47):
gentleman from around the corner yep, and we go down
and were just fish.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I like this. And do you go out to different
spot famous spots around the place or you just take
it straight up and the hodd god do Yeah? You've
got the boat waiting to go down there and the
Princess wharf and it's.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Or do we just drop a line off the back
of the Stevens you got the.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Buccaneer or ready to go? You know, I reckon you
take them out? Yeah? Yeah, I reckon you take them
out on the boat.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So because I photo drone shots.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
It takes so many different boxes. Fisies, Bennie Fisheries and
then and then you just learn about the story of
their life while you're out there. Yes, and so you
learn about how they ended up in the situation that
they own. I get paid, they don't, but I get
paid because it's my idea. But they don't get paid
for but get a fish from everyone they get to
take back to the community. I don't know if it's
(17:37):
a good fresh opro keep it and and maybe we
get famous fishermen to come on with.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Us as well. And do you have a glass barbecue
on the boat really to cook the fish that on
the glass barbie? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Maybe, yeah, maybe, I don't know the good look we're
work shopping it. But anyway, if you can put me
in touch with thees, you.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Know, I like it. I think it's got I think
it would be a good whib s herees. I mean
whether or not it's going to work at sort of
eight o'clock TV and ZID one, I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
TV and Z plus sort of on demand.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Seven thirty right after seven sharp just catch that audience.
But you guys like this light entertainment, get ready for
some homeless dude.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Sufficient Yeah, I say you're going to go to New
Zealand and here with that idea yep.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
And mango pa as well.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, well like with some funding there got plenty of money,
and then I'll do it. Give a little yep.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
I like this.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It's it's it should it's an idea that should should
find its home somewhere. Whether or not it's TV and Z,
I'm not sure, but it's it's an idea that's got
a home.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Ask them about issues facing the unhoused community at the moment, Like,
remember when all those myth lollies were gone around and
they got donated to a shelter. But did you get
in any of those lollies?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You know? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
The only thing I'd worry about is the creators, obviously
yourself and Lee Baker. No Baker.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I just pitched it to him.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Okay, he doesn't want anything to do with it.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
No skeletons in the closet because obviously if it's a
success and then people find out that you're behind it, and
then they're like, oh, but that thing you did in
twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
My mild tweets Yeah, year, if something dodgy happens, you
start taking some unhoused females out. Next thing you know,
there's been relations out in the water matter mergers, then
you'll be in trouble. People will be looking to bring
you down. Put it that way, they will.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
They'll be a target on my back. Hey, I'm willing
to and then, and they're just of independent journalism. I'm
willing to try it.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Just careful with the tall poppies.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Man.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
There's a great Kiwi clobbering machine that's out there ready
to clobber.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
What happened to eating media lunch?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Great Kiwi clobbering machine came through and clobb Yeah, that's
what happens. Yeah, it's the way.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
All right then, Okay, are you happy?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Blake? No? Probably?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
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