May 18, 2026 • 35 mins
Today on the pod we talk about shoes, small towns, and Rooda's WhatsApp faux pas.
Plus we chat to Lorin Clarke - her Dad was John Clarke, famously known throughout Australasia as Fred Dagg! (0:18:00)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Daily bespoke content that you won't find on the radio
show The Hurdarki Breakfast Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome along to the podcast. Tuesday, the nineteenth of May, twenties.
Cold this morning, wasn't it? Wasn't it? Sly sar? Is
that what it is at? It's currently nine?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Okay, that's you're going to be around the country. Listen
to us say that, and so that's not that's not.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I did have a five outside the Herpie golf on
the way here.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
You're on the urban fringe, aren't you? But what I
think urban fringe? I think you're almost in a satellite town.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Don't feel like a small town? Yeah, small town New
Zealand and big city New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Urban is where rural meat surban.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Yeah, well I figured that out now. I've just never
heard it before, urban fringe. Never heard it?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Did you not do geography?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Figured it out now?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I think you're beyond the urban fringe. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Are you urban fringe?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
What would you describe as.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I reckon if you if you can, if you could
walk to a paddock and that was on the outskirts town,
that's what I reckon. That's what that's that's what I
reckon the ruben fringes.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Dinsdale and Hamilton used to be considered urban French, because
that's where I learned the term. Because that's where we
did a study.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Oh right, yeah, suburban sprawl here it is the urban fringe.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, that's where you guys, we studied suburban sprawl. That
was your that was your Yeah, we went he went
to the Yeah, mister Lloyd. John Lloyd took us to
Dunstall and said, look, you can see the suburban sprawl
what they said and his Dinsdale. What year was this?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Because I don't I wouldn't consider Dunsdale urban fringe now
nineteen ninety four, okay, fair enough. In the distant past.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
This is the equivalent of like my grandmother used to
when we drive around town and go, you know, the
forest used to come all the way up to the street.
These streets weren't even here. I did that, amaze you? No,
I didn't care. Also, the forest was never actually in
my child in my memory, there was never any forest.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
So for her to tell me, my grandmother used to
do the same thing to me. She used to tell
me what she said, this should still be fields. Yeah,
this was paddocks. I was quite interested in that that.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I was like, okay, the only house on the street.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
It was, yeah, yeah. She was quite good telling me
about history stuff. I was like she was. She made
it quite interesting. Well.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
The problem I had was that was it should always
say it as if I would be like like we
weren't in a tiny little country town, you know what
I mean, Like whoa, and now look at it, the
metropolis of why many? You know, it wasn't like some
marvel of modern technology that.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Can you believe?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
This used to be a forest and now look at
skyscrapers everywhere.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
You know, it's like some houses. My grandmother did a
good thing. She would always talk about how poor they
were when she grew up because they were poor, and
that her shoes, so she would get her sister's shoes,
but her sister was quite a few years older, so
they would cut off the high heels. Her mother would
hacksaw off. Her mom was a solo mum. She'd hacksaw
(03:13):
off the heels so she could have them. And they
were always too big, and she said it was always
embarrassing going to school, and so she always had it
kind of rubbish. She haird me down clothes and hence
why she learned to sew. She's like, well, I want
to be able to make my own clothes because in
those days, making her closes is actually cheaper than buying it.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Oh wait, well they didn't have mass production. Also, though
shoes were designed that you could wear them for ever. Yeah,
because the fight you tried, my bloody essex that squeak
out in the thing you know you're not fixing.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Now you go to a cobbler, and the cobbler, I mean,
where's the last Actually, there is a cobbler and newmarket
that stuck between the ASB on Broadway. He refuses. This
person refuses to sell their building to any developers like this,
and so it's about the buildings about I'm gonna say
three meters wide, and it's just this cobbler and it's
(04:02):
just stuck in the middle of these two giant buildings.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
That's like in China where one guy refused to sell out.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
They' build a high way around his house and then
they'll disappear them. Yeah, and then he gets missing. So
that what's going happened with this cobbler hasn't gone.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
The threat he's threaten in this cobblin Well lost that
the cobbler, And.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, well, no one's got those sorts of shoes.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
And that if you want a pair of ariums, which
are about the only boots these days that you could
keep them for that long.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You could cobble a pair of ariums, a couple.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Of peer of ariums. No, no one's down in there.
But I just I had a look. We were at
the mall and the Rum William shop was there, and
I was like, you know about time man had a
wedding coming up. Yeah, because if we can do it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Now, oh good cool? And they are like eight hundred
that's not bad for you'll have those for your whole life.
Oh my gosh, Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I was just about to say, oh, three hundred bucks,
and you're going to say, you're gonna say that it's
cheaper than not buying that, because but I don't have seven.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Eight hundred bucks lying around.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Okay, that's my issue, right, Although the one time I did,
I bought those boots over in America, So those are
now my arims.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Well yeah, I mean now you could cobble those, you'd
cobble those bars. Yeah that Yeah, I one pair of
really good shoes. One pair of really good dress shoes.
I bought a pair of really flash dress shoes in
the States in twenty ten. I've still got them fifteen
years later. Had them cobbled, No, but I will get
(05:32):
them cobbled. Yeah, fancy airs.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
How often would you be wearing those shoes though, to
get them sixteen years in?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Every day? Pretty much?
Speaker 5 (05:40):
What?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Nah?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Seven? Sharp? Yeah? I win? Oh nice? Most days have
you left? I've now got I've got two pairs of
two pairs of shoes, one pier I bought in London
two thousand dollars. Damn, still got those. I'll have those
for the rest of my life. That other pair of
protor shoes one thousand dollars in two thousand and I.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Save it for relatable chats on relatable chat chairs.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
That well, the thing about that is how many pairs
of shoes have you had though that you've gone through?
How many pairs of trainers have you gone through in
that time?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Like, yeah, I should have been running in arims.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I reckon, I've spent on train I've spent so much
more over the years and trainers than I like. I mean,
because turning in fifty running shows, for example, turn and
fifty bucks for a pair of run running shoes are
passing me off at the moment you go through one
every But when I was running three.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Months, at the point is that you were running a bit.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So I reckon I was doing. Yeah, thousand dollars of
one thousand dollars in running shoes a year. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
It's fusuous because I know we talked about this on
the radio the other day, but they used to used
to have shoes for years. Yeah, you'd get one pier
of because it would last for ever. And now three
months and I'm squeaking up the palls out there.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It's a shitty phone. But the thing is it's been
for your your feet and your legs.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, and better their bottom dollar, man, Yeah, I planned
the bottom dollar.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Because some of those old ones, like I remember my
dad had this pair of Nikes. They were like original
Nikes from the seventies and he had those in the nineties.
So he'd had those those trainers for nearly twenty years
and they last.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And they were built to last.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
The Yeah, they live the Nikes leave the Nikes.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, like you know the original you know Tigers before
they don't even have the teck on them.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Nah.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah, they look more like essex shoes.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, Rudy, you've had a social media faux pas.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I believe fuck you.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I have so discussed my wife says to me yesterday afternoon, disgusting.
She said, hey, do you know what I saw today?
I was like, what's that, bab and she said, I
saw blue babes. Yeah, babe, babe, babes Babe.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
What does she call you? Babe?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Han?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Get outside?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Han jeers?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Babe? Does she got your babe as well?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Yeah? I think we've got each other babe. Back and forth, babe, Okay,
I call you babe if you want.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Are trying to convince everything, convince each other?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Everything, sweeter.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Everything. Everything is pretty good there, apart from my daughter
keeps saying we're arguing more, but we don't know why
because we don't really argue anyway.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
So, yes, you do, I.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
We really don't, and we've talked anyway.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
How long does let's say that passed me off?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
We don't. Actually, honestly, we don't argue.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Okay, well then one are you just simmers on it?
And I think I know what.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's fine?
Speaker 4 (08:36):
So she dropped the kids off at school useterday. She
said I saw something slightly odd today and I was like,
what's that bad?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And sid.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Ex student or I won't name, I do know he
got dropped off by his dad and he was eating
McDonald's fries and drinking McDonald's milkshake for breakfast. Unusual sight,
no judgment, just can you eat?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Can you eat McDonald's? Do they do fries in the morning?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Parents? Well that was because that was her question. She's like,
when did they start doing fries in the morning? And
I was like, I think they've introduced doing the menu
early in the morning. And so my thought was radio
content and rather than judge, because I'm not judging these people,
I thought, is that good or bad parenting? Because you
know you're going to ask.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Other people to judge them worse worst judging them, But
do you think this is the wrong thing to do?
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Well?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
The chips hot or cold? I mean where they left
over before other things? Good question.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
The reason that they're just turned on, the reason that
the menu before ten o'clock.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I believe, at least if I had to guess, would
be there.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Are shift workers who and you don't know that this
kid hasn't just come off a night.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Shift like us, for example, we are shift workers. Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
You don't know that this kid hasn't been out manning
the you know, the roadworks all night exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Might have been out the boning boning yard. He might
have been in the boning.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yet, thinking about his parents, I'm pretty sure that he
would have been asleep during the night.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
School, thinking about my kids are working.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Everyone's got their kids working grave shift and then and
then twelve hour graveyard chef. All he's thinking is, fuck,
would I knock off here before I get into school?
I just murder a thick, shaking surprise. I can murder
it because I'm going another eight hours of learning to do.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
After the twelve hour night man. It's a fair point.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I can only sleep for four hours a day, and
I'm a fucking kid.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
This is he might might be doing night classes. You
may just come off the back of doing night school
because trying to trying to re educate, right, because it's
a bloody tough.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
A different language, and.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I'm an environment out there at the moment. It's tough.
It's hard to get a job. He can never be
too qualified.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
He could be on his deal journy, you know, and
he's so.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
My take on it was as your parents, No, no,
actually wasn't. It was well better that than going to
school hungry.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Sure better that that.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
And you know, let's not judge or we don't know
what's going on in their lives, so that's cool. So
I thought I would send to our WhatsApp group casual chat.
My wife saw a kid getting dropped off at school today,
eating Macca's fries and drinking and milkship.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I know what's happened?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Good or bad parenting?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Ah?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I looked in the corner of my WhatsApp screen and
it sent it to the basketball.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
At I think we did set this under the show
this is good, and I guess the no one of
the parents is on that.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Both of the parents.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I'm I'm feeling embarrassment. I know what's happened was.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I was sweating while laugh because I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Believe my awful Well good on you for laughing.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
And and I am mean I wouldn't have with n
ten seconds, I pressed eleite, But then of course it
says blah blah blah has deleted message. So then I
did you know that you can then delete that message,
so it doesn't even look like you've deleted a mess
I didn't know that until last night.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
You teach our boss.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
But then one of the other parents said, macas a.
And then one of the other parents went, I was
halfway through reading that message, what's that message about? And
then someone else said, oh, wondering exactly what's going on here?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
And I was like fuck, oh no, half of them, Well, firstly,
don't really don't who's that keen on the on the
basketball WhatsApp that they were replying with them ten seconds?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, it was like, what are you doing? I would
I would say casual chat. I've seen a new one
on casual chat. Parents who are.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Have such so little girl that they are on.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
What SEPs that they that the messages pop up thirty night.
It was good. Oh well, probably not much. One thing
we need to discuss. This is too good. Okay, So
we're the parents who you were talking about, who are
also on the WhatsApp groat Did they see it?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Did you look at your red by No, because I
had to delete that ship straight away. I did get
that ship out of there.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Okay, So you won't even know whether they read it
or not.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I know the parent that dropped the kid off not
very active on the WhatsApp, but the other neglectful parent,
but the other parent reasonably active.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Mac milkshakes. So you what are you in the basketball team?
What do you do you have any sort.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Of I'm assistant coachinger, I'm the coach when the coach
isn't there. And yeah, wife's the manager. So I've brought
great shame to our family.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
So what did your wife say, babe?
Speaker 4 (13:55):
I started with I started with you're gonna I think
I started with please don't be angry at me for this, but.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
My number is now sixteen. And she at first she
was like.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Fuck, that's embarrassing, and then she was like, but it's
pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
That's pretty funny.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
It's pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Well you got it. I mean, you laugh, because if
you don't laugh, you're gonna be And I think we've
all around it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I do think we need to because people have these
on if we talk about it in the radio place.
I used to work out what we had a dozy
of these and I don't want to say who it
was because they are quite some quite well known New
Zealanders that were involved in this. But one day there
was like a you know, like a post had gone
up internally or something like that, and someone was filming
(14:42):
themselves with all these other people. Look at h this
is this famous person, this famous person.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
One of the other people at work saw that and
wrote a message essentially along the lines of fuck what
to eat us? You know, it was basically like did
you see that? You know the road for himself, thinking
he's the man, blah blah blah wrote that spog long message,
went to send it to one of his other workmates,
bombed into the all work chair and it was like, oh,
(15:10):
very clear who was talking about and what it was about,
and there were the entire company was in this and
one of the one of the pretty well known person
at this company, pretty well known person in the country,
if not the world, just replied to that and was
just like, not our style, mate, We built we built
(15:31):
each other up around there. Yeah, And it was bad.
So the guy who sent the message, he tried to
delete it, but he hit delete for me only, and
he didn't know that he'd done that, so when he
checked the group chat, it said message deleted. That's only
for him. Every other person in the company, the message
was still in there, but it was still in there
until and I didn't get until later on. He's like,
(15:58):
I don't Ah, that's an.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It's bloody. It's bloody dangerous out there with all of
this communication. It's too much communication going on, and you
hit the wrong button. If you've had a couple of drinks.
Next thing you're trying to do a post, next thing
you've done, you've DM someone you shouldn't have. No, Yeah, yeah, oh.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Wow, I do that browsing on my computer in the mornings.
But yeah, that's a that's a shock.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
A week. Oh, there's been a couple.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
There's been a few around the ACC has had a
couple of dozies which I don't want to say any names,
but there's been some real howlers where a message, in fact,
twice I can think of, there's been a message readden
about a person and then that was sent to the person.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
That it was about. Oh yeah, I know, that's a
that's a shock.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Those howlas social media howlers.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
We're going to talk about it on the radio.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
These people will have these Okay, let's.
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Speaker 2 (17:10):
Breakfast right, I kick it in the guts, Trev.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
When fred Dad came on the radio, everybody stuck and.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
You said it he was bigger than the Beatles.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
This is my dad, John, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 6 (17:26):
One thing he didn't do, though, was write the story
of his own life, so I interviewed him.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'm not here. I'll ask me to bring you back later.
Thank you?
Speaker 7 (17:37):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Y does this week? The answer is yes, Lauren, and
it does work a resounding yes.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
How are you going?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah? Good? Do we find you pretty early in the morning?
Where are you? And Melbourne?
Speaker 7 (17:48):
Yeah? In Melbourne? And you do slightly, but not like offensively.
You know, it's not one of those ones where I'm like,
who am I?
Speaker 6 (18:03):
And you know what?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Am I?
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Even real? Am I even real?
Speaker 6 (18:07):
You know those ones where someone says you're talking to
somebody and it's midnight.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
But you be fine. No, I don't know who I am.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
It's funny talking to you, Lauren, because I can hear
you know your dad and your voice. It's quite interesting.
I've watched so much of your dad's stuff over the years,
and I'm such a messive fan. And I watched not
only Fred Day but also John Clark your film, and
I enjoyed it so much, and I learned so much
stuff that I that I didn't know. I thought I
(18:37):
knew a lot, but I can. I can just hear
just a couple of little the way that you finished sentences,
and it's very similar to the way that he finishing this. Obviously,
seeing as you.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
Funny, it's funny you say that because I when I
now like watching the film, I've got to the point
where I'll sit in an audience and it's like actually
spending time with Dad because because I think my favorite
thing is listening to him conversationally. So how interesting that
that you can hear that, Because yeah, that to me,
(19:10):
that's the just listening to him like talk as he's
thinking about stuff. It's like, that's that's the guy, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Like, yeah, that must be cool to have a to
have a because not a lot of people would have
you know, that much footage and audio of the appearance.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Yeah, I know, we've got oceans of My mum said
to me in the middle of the editing process. She said,
and will I meet.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
Alec, Alec Morton's brilliant editor. Will I meet Alec? And
I said, yeah, you'll meet Alec And she said, must
I meet Alec? And I said, what's wrong with Eleck?
Speaker 6 (19:52):
You've been hearing me tell you stories about Elec. She said, no,
he sounds brilliant, but he's seen all that footage.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
This is just like so much.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
And we really did have like so much footage of
just idiotic things and like, but also nothing like, there
is footage that actually he's in the film, which is
me sitting on a no, I'm sitting at a table,
I'm obviously on a telephone, I'm talking, I've got my
feet on the table, and Dad's just standing behind me
(20:24):
and nothing.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Else is happening.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Because what he used to do and he'd leave a camera,
a video camera running in a room, like and he
would just leave it on a bookshelf and you wouldn't
know it was there, and it was kind of like
big brother time.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, and then he cheed away and talk about stuff
with you, And that was what amazed me. It was
just the kinds of conversations that you were that you
were having with them, because oftentimes, you know, I work
on TV, and I think, I don't I don't want cameras. After,
you know, I go home and it's like, this is
the last thing that I want to do. I don't
(20:59):
want to performer, I don't want to I don't want
to talk anymore. I kind of switch off. But I
love the fact that he was having conversations with you.
He was filming a whole lot of stuff, is filming
a whole lot of family stuff. And the amazing thing
was the John Clark that was filming that stuff. It
just goes to show that the world was seeing very
much the real John Clark, the John Clarke that you
(21:21):
were seeing as well, that was so similar.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Yeah, like I that's kind of one of the things.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
That I I wanted to get across in the film
is that if I mean, you know, a lot of
people don't know who he is because you know, they
are not of the same era, or they're not you know,
a Kiwi or an Aussie, and so there are those people,
and I wanted the story to be interesting to them,
(21:49):
So that sort of needed to be about something other
than this guy was on the telly, you know. But
the second thing that I did want to say was
we we live in a world where there's a lot
of bad news and there's a lot of oh dear,
I thought that person was like this in my sort
(22:11):
of parasocial relationship that I have with them in my head,
and it turns out that they're not. And one of
the things people kept asking me when I was putting
the film together is how are you going to make
it interesting? Because people like him, people say nice things
about him. How are you going to make it interesting?
And one of my answers to that was, well, I'm
not going to pretend, you know, Like to me, I
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think he had a relationship with his audience.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
That he valued and that they valued, and it was real.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
And in a way, that's kind of like if you
thought you knew him, you probably did, like that is
what he was like, and so like, what a nice thing.
And the actual complicated part of that is, you know,
overyone's a human and he had some tough things in
his life that he had to kind of.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
Move around dodge around.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
And he also was very annoying when you were a
teenage daughter.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
But other than that, I didn't sort of need.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
To exaggerate, you know, or like or tease out anything
to a major. He wasn't murdering puppies on the weekends
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, we stuck to that.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
You didn't find any accidental footage of you know, puppies
in a sec or something like that.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Yeah, No, I couldn't find that. No, I couldn't find that.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
No. If anything, it was like, God, Dad, you really
didn't mind how boring it all looked, did you, Because
he really did sort of he he loved.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
There's a bit in the.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Film actually that never made it to the film, but
which was we interviewed David Wenham, an actor who's quite
brilliant and who who was chatting away about Dad, and
they worked together on a couple of a couple of things,
and he was interviewing I was interviewing him, and he said, actually,
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you know, when I made the first thing I made
with John, which was a series called the Murray Wheeland
series which Sam and Dad Sam Neil and Dad directed
one telemovie each of these books called the Murray Wheeling Series,
these sort of Melbourne crime books, And when said, and
(24:34):
I just had a daughter, a baby girl, and it
was sort of like very close to the sort of
the first day that I had to turn up for
rehearsals in Melbourne. I'd had this baby and John turned
up to my apartment that I was sort of moving
into and he sat down with me and he talked
to me, welcomed me to the club of having daughters,
(24:56):
and he said, you know it's a you'll love it
and all of that. And we chatted and he said
and he said to me, go out, well you're here
this weekend before we start rehearsals, go out and buy
a camera. Is it before the days of phones, the
phones that had cameras in them, to go out and
buy a camera.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
And he said, sit your kid down every year.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
And interview them and ask them, you know, who's your
favorite teacher, what's your favorite show on Telly?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
What you know?
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Tell me about yourself. And he said, do it every year.
You won't regret it because it all goes pretty quickly.
And David was telling this story and then he couldn't
speak anymore, and he said, my daughter's now twenty one
and I have a video of her from every year
of her life interviewing her.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
And Dad did that with us. That's what he did
with me and my sister.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Every year.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
He set us down. They are the most stultifyingly boring videos.
Neither of us wants to answer a question. We are wriggling,
we are saying can we go now? But in it
there are some moments of gold that have become sort
of family law. And so I think there was something
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about his which kind of comes out in the film.
You know, he didn't really have a He had a
family he loved, and particularly you know, a sister with
whom he was besties, but he didn't really like he
celebrated having his own. He celebrated having one where there
wasn't a lot of tension and a lot of sort
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of difficult trauma that wasn't being processed by the parents.
He it was something that he wanted to record.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
For whatever reason.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
And if we were here today, he would tell me
to stop talking about that because it's not really the point.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
But I think it's pretty cool that we in the end.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
When when I was thinking about making the film, I
was like, actually, I do have something up my sleeve here.
And it's forty seven hours of me and my sister
wriggling in a chair and sitting alone in a room
while there's a camera on the bookshelf.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, I am amazed. Though, and that's the wisdom of
your dad is something really interesting. He had an ability
to not only look at things now and see the
ridiculous part of them, he also somehow managed to make
very wise decisions about what would be seen as ridiculous
(27:37):
even in twenty years time. Like that's how do you
get how do you get that gift? Because is that
just intelligence or is that just deep him being a
deep thinker, or is this something else at particles? That's amazing?
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Well, in a way, I reckon, I've just been doing
funny say, I've just been going through the clarkendor interviews,
a selection of those satirical interviews he was known for
over here in Australia, and.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
Some of them could be written yesterday.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
And they circulate through you know YouTube now and it's
full of Americans going, wow, this, you know, this amazing interview.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
With this real politician is fascinating.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
But it's they're also there'll be and they'll also say
things like, oh god, it's it's devastating how true it is.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
And someone in you know, Uruguay will write very much
like what's.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
Happening in Uruguay and politics to this day and so
and so in other words, I suppose my answer is
that he he understood systems that sort of didn't often
sort of wasn't about the particular. I mean, how he
made it particular was playing a slight character, you know,
(29:09):
just a little bit of arrogance, a little bit of
unearned arrogance or something, or there was a premise in
there that he sort of could that he could build
the other things around. So like I used to sit
in his office. I used to go and work in
Dad's office because he had an office up the road
from you, at the top of a cafe and near
(29:32):
where he lived, and I lived locally, so I'd wander
up there and i'd sit in his office and use
that like a completely entitled douchebag, frankly the way I've
just made myself sound.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
But anyway, I'd be sitting there.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
I'd be sitting there, and the conversations I got to
listen into were probably worth the price of admission alone,
because I got to hear some hilarious things. But also
he would talk to people all day when he was
writing those interviews. He would talk to people in media.
He'd bring up someone, he'd say, what do you think
of this? And he'd be talking to some mate of
(30:08):
his who you know, was a particular expert in that
area or whatever, and then he would weave those things in,
but they wouldn't He never made he never got too
into the nitty gritty. And sometimes he'd say to him, Hey,
what are you doing on TV this week? Because this huge,
big issue is just blown up And he'd say, yeah, well,
(30:29):
I won't be doing that because he but he'd mention it.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
It'd be in there and people.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Would sort of go haha, because he sort of served
that issue into the writing a little bit, and he
and Brian always had a lot of fun with that.
But it was interesting because I think what my answer is,
what I'm trying to get to, is that it was
always about systems and people. He could kind of zoom
out in order to zoom back in again.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yes, so I'm just looking here your film, not only
fred dag but also John Clark. It's going to be
playing on the twenty fourth of May at the Capitol Cinema.
So you're going to have a Q and A afterwards
because you're attending, and you're attending and Capital Oscar Kiteley
(31:16):
is going to be hosting the Q and a because
it's twenty years this year that marks the Fred which
is given to the best New Zealand show in the
New Zealand International Comedy Festival every year. So did he
know about that award that was named after his character?
Speaker 7 (31:36):
Sure did.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
I think he may have had several hours worth of
conversations in one sitting, knowing him.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
With the festival at the time.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
So I think I don't actually know the story of
the origin of it. I just I do remember, I mean,
I do know that he knew.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
About it, and he was justly pro out he.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
You know, he was.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
I don't think he used to sort of avoid the
issue when you would ask him whether he sort of
you know, saw a line between his early stuff which
was just so early and if you if you watch
the film, you'll sort of, I mean, I tried to
get across how sort of miraculous it was.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
He describes it at.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
One point as a few of us, you know, snuck
through the back line and we you know, just made it.
Really did seems like it was sorry.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
You're talking about the Fred Dagg stuff or as early stands, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
Fred Dag Yeah, No, well, you know, he really Fred
that early Fred stuff. It's a it's a kind of
accident in numeracle that it happened at all, and then
it happened just so quickly and it really just went.
It was just sort of an accident of like media
timing in a way, and it was off. But when
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you ask him, you know, you'd say, hey, when you
did that, there there wasn't really a job of being
a comedian. There are a few people who were doing
sort of similar things and that was a bit of
a tradition of theatery kind of comedy, but.
Speaker 7 (33:17):
There wasn't.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
And now look look at the Kiwi's punching above their weight.
I mean it's a cliche, but check it out. It's
like per capita, it must be one in every two
of you. And he said, oh, well, you know then
that's how sort of things happen and stuff. But yeah,
he didn't so but I'm not I am. I do
(33:41):
think he would have been completely tickled by it. You
know that the fact that it's twenty years later and
that that's quite a difference between even just when the
thread started and where you guys are now.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
It's it's pretty amazing to watch.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, and also from what I understand certainly from your
document He was very much a humanist like he enjoyed
encouraging other comedians. He always wrote nice notes to people.
He encouraged filmmakers, documentary makers, people that he thought were good.
They get a call from him or a note from
him or something like that, saying good on you. I
(34:18):
think what you're doing is great. Like what, ah, that's
such a not a lovely thing to do. Yeah, why
don't you do that?
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Joy?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, I should do more.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
You don't do enough of that.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I don't do enough for a lot of things. Lauren. Hey, Lauren,
thanks for chatting to us.
Speaker 7 (34:36):
I look very good to chat.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
And I really enjoyed the film as thank you so
much for putting it out. And I encourage everybody to
go along and see it because there's so much more
to John Clark than fred Dagg. Certainly, and a lot
of New Zealanders as well know fred Dag so well,
but they actually haven't seen a lot of the fred
Dag footage because John in his wisdom own the footage,
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so t VNZ didn't actually own it, so it hasn't
been played a lot in archive in New Zealand. Yeah,
I did an archive show myself and we could only
get certain clips, and then watching the film, I was like,
oh wow, there's all of this stuff that we never saw.
So there's a whole lot of Fridack stuff that you
wouldn't seen, plus all of the stuff that he did
(35:22):
in Australia which was just amazing. So thank you for
making the film and thanks for talking to us this morning.
Speaker 7 (35:28):
Thanks so much, guys, lovely to chat Jerry and Maniah.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome along to the podcast. Tuesday, the nineteenth of May, twenties.
Cold this morning, wasn't it? Wasn't it? Sly sar? Is
that what it is at? It's currently nine?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Okay, that's you're going to be around the country. Listen
to us say that, and so that's not that's not.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I did have a five outside the Herpie golf on
the way here.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
You're on the urban fringe, aren't you? But what I
think urban fringe? I think you're almost in a satellite town.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Don't feel like a small town? Yeah, small town New
Zealand and big city New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Urban is where rural meat surban.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Yeah, well I figured that out now. I've just never
heard it before, urban fringe. Never heard it?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Did you not do geography?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Figured it out now?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I think you're beyond the urban fringe. What do you think?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Are you urban fringe?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
What would you describe as.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I reckon if you if you can, if you could
walk to a paddock and that was on the outskirts town,
that's what I reckon. That's what that's that's what I
reckon the ruben fringes.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Dinsdale and Hamilton used to be considered urban French, because
that's where I learned the term. Because that's where we
did a study.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Oh right, yeah, suburban sprawl here it is the urban fringe.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, that's where you guys, we studied suburban sprawl. That
was your that was your Yeah, we went he went
to the Yeah, mister Lloyd. John Lloyd took us to
Dunstall and said, look, you can see the suburban sprawl
what they said and his Dinsdale. What year was this?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Because I don't I wouldn't consider Dunsdale urban fringe now
nineteen ninety four, okay, fair enough. In the distant past.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
This is the equivalent of like my grandmother used to
when we drive around town and go, you know, the
forest used to come all the way up to the street.
These streets weren't even here. I did that, amaze you? No,
I didn't care. Also, the forest was never actually in
my child in my memory, there was never any forest.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
So for her to tell me, my grandmother used to
do the same thing to me. She used to tell
me what she said, this should still be fields. Yeah,
this was paddocks. I was quite interested in that that.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I was like, okay, the only house on the street.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
It was, yeah, yeah. She was quite good telling me
about history stuff. I was like she was. She made
it quite interesting. Well.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
The problem I had was that was it should always
say it as if I would be like like we
weren't in a tiny little country town, you know what
I mean, Like whoa, and now look at it, the
metropolis of why many? You know, it wasn't like some
marvel of modern technology that.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Can you believe?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
This used to be a forest and now look at
skyscrapers everywhere.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
You know, it's like some houses. My grandmother did a
good thing. She would always talk about how poor they
were when she grew up because they were poor, and
that her shoes, so she would get her sister's shoes,
but her sister was quite a few years older, so
they would cut off the high heels. Her mother would
hacksaw off. Her mom was a solo mum. She'd hacksaw
(03:13):
off the heels so she could have them. And they
were always too big, and she said it was always
embarrassing going to school, and so she always had it
kind of rubbish. She haird me down clothes and hence
why she learned to sew. She's like, well, I want
to be able to make my own clothes because in
those days, making her closes is actually cheaper than buying it.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Oh wait, well they didn't have mass production. Also, though
shoes were designed that you could wear them for ever. Yeah,
because the fight you tried, my bloody essex that squeak
out in the thing you know you're not fixing.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Now you go to a cobbler, and the cobbler, I mean,
where's the last Actually, there is a cobbler and newmarket
that stuck between the ASB on Broadway. He refuses. This
person refuses to sell their building to any developers like this,
and so it's about the buildings about I'm gonna say
three meters wide, and it's just this cobbler and it's
(04:02):
just stuck in the middle of these two giant buildings.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
That's like in China where one guy refused to sell out.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
They' build a high way around his house and then
they'll disappear them. Yeah, and then he gets missing. So
that what's going happened with this cobbler hasn't gone.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
The threat he's threaten in this cobblin Well lost that
the cobbler, And.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, well, no one's got those sorts of shoes.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
And that if you want a pair of ariums, which
are about the only boots these days that you could
keep them for that long.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You could cobble a pair of ariums, a couple.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Of peer of ariums. No, no one's down in there.
But I just I had a look. We were at
the mall and the Rum William shop was there, and
I was like, you know about time man had a
wedding coming up. Yeah, because if we can do it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Now, oh good cool? And they are like eight hundred
that's not bad for you'll have those for your whole life.
Oh my gosh, Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I was just about to say, oh, three hundred bucks,
and you're going to say, you're gonna say that it's
cheaper than not buying that, because but I don't have seven.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Eight hundred bucks lying around.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Okay, that's my issue, right, Although the one time I did,
I bought those boots over in America, So those are
now my arims.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Well yeah, I mean now you could cobble those, you'd
cobble those bars. Yeah that Yeah, I one pair of
really good shoes. One pair of really good dress shoes.
I bought a pair of really flash dress shoes in
the States in twenty ten. I've still got them fifteen
years later. Had them cobbled, No, but I will get
(05:32):
them cobbled. Yeah, fancy airs.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
How often would you be wearing those shoes though, to
get them sixteen years in?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Every day? Pretty much?
Speaker 5 (05:40):
What?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Nah?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Seven? Sharp? Yeah? I win? Oh nice? Most days have
you left? I've now got I've got two pairs of
two pairs of shoes, one pier I bought in London
two thousand dollars. Damn, still got those. I'll have those
for the rest of my life. That other pair of
protor shoes one thousand dollars in two thousand and I.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Save it for relatable chats on relatable chat chairs.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
That well, the thing about that is how many pairs
of shoes have you had though that you've gone through?
How many pairs of trainers have you gone through in
that time?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Like, yeah, I should have been running in arims.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I reckon, I've spent on train I've spent so much
more over the years and trainers than I like. I mean,
because turning in fifty running shows, for example, turn and
fifty bucks for a pair of run running shoes are
passing me off at the moment you go through one
every But when I was running three.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Months, at the point is that you were running a bit.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So I reckon I was doing. Yeah, thousand dollars of
one thousand dollars in running shoes a year. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
It's fusuous because I know we talked about this on
the radio the other day, but they used to used
to have shoes for years. Yeah, you'd get one pier
of because it would last for ever. And now three
months and I'm squeaking up the palls out there.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It's a shitty phone. But the thing is it's been
for your your feet and your legs.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, and better their bottom dollar, man, Yeah, I planned
the bottom dollar.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Because some of those old ones, like I remember my
dad had this pair of Nikes. They were like original
Nikes from the seventies and he had those in the nineties.
So he'd had those those trainers for nearly twenty years
and they last.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And they were built to last.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
The Yeah, they live the Nikes leave the Nikes.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, like you know the original you know Tigers before
they don't even have the teck on them.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Nah.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah, they look more like essex shoes.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, Rudy, you've had a social media faux pas.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I believe fuck you.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I have so discussed my wife says to me yesterday afternoon, disgusting.
She said, hey, do you know what I saw today?
I was like, what's that, bab and she said, I
saw blue babes. Yeah, babe, babe, babes Babe.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
What does she call you? Babe?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Han?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Get outside?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Han jeers?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Babe? Does she got your babe as well?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Yeah? I think we've got each other babe. Back and forth, babe, Okay,
I call you babe if you want.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Are trying to convince everything, convince each other?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Everything, sweeter.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Everything. Everything is pretty good there, apart from my daughter
keeps saying we're arguing more, but we don't know why
because we don't really argue anyway.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
So, yes, you do, I.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
We really don't, and we've talked anyway.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
How long does let's say that passed me off?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
We don't. Actually, honestly, we don't argue.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Okay, well then one are you just simmers on it?
And I think I know what.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's fine?
Speaker 4 (08:36):
So she dropped the kids off at school useterday. She
said I saw something slightly odd today and I was like,
what's that bad?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And sid.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Ex student or I won't name, I do know he
got dropped off by his dad and he was eating
McDonald's fries and drinking McDonald's milkshake for breakfast. Unusual sight,
no judgment, just can you eat?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Can you eat McDonald's? Do they do fries in the morning?
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Parents? Well that was because that was her question. She's like,
when did they start doing fries in the morning? And
I was like, I think they've introduced doing the menu
early in the morning. And so my thought was radio
content and rather than judge, because I'm not judging these people,
I thought, is that good or bad parenting? Because you
know you're going to ask.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Other people to judge them worse worst judging them, But
do you think this is the wrong thing to do?
Speaker 6 (09:29):
Well?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
The chips hot or cold? I mean where they left
over before other things? Good question.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
The reason that they're just turned on, the reason that
the menu before ten o'clock.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I believe, at least if I had to guess, would
be there.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Are shift workers who and you don't know that this
kid hasn't just come off a night.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Shift like us, for example, we are shift workers. Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
You don't know that this kid hasn't been out manning
the you know, the roadworks all night exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Might have been out the boning boning yard. He might
have been in the boning.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yet, thinking about his parents, I'm pretty sure that he
would have been asleep during the night.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
School, thinking about my kids are working.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Everyone's got their kids working grave shift and then and
then twelve hour graveyard chef. All he's thinking is, fuck,
would I knock off here before I get into school?
I just murder a thick, shaking surprise. I can murder
it because I'm going another eight hours of learning to do.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
After the twelve hour night man. It's a fair point.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
I can only sleep for four hours a day, and
I'm a fucking kid.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
This is he might might be doing night classes. You
may just come off the back of doing night school
because trying to trying to re educate, right, because it's
a bloody tough.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
A different language, and.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I'm an environment out there at the moment. It's tough.
It's hard to get a job. He can never be
too qualified.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
He could be on his deal journy, you know, and
he's so.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
My take on it was as your parents, No, no,
actually wasn't. It was well better that than going to
school hungry.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Sure better that that.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
And you know, let's not judge or we don't know
what's going on in their lives, so that's cool. So
I thought I would send to our WhatsApp group casual chat.
My wife saw a kid getting dropped off at school today,
eating Macca's fries and drinking and milkship.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I know what's happened?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Good or bad parenting?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Ah?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I looked in the corner of my WhatsApp screen and
it sent it to the basketball.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
At I think we did set this under the show
this is good, and I guess the no one of
the parents is on that.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Both of the parents.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I'm I'm feeling embarrassment. I know what's happened was.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I was sweating while laugh because I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Believe my awful Well good on you for laughing.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
And and I am mean I wouldn't have with n
ten seconds, I pressed eleite, But then of course it
says blah blah blah has deleted message. So then I
did you know that you can then delete that message,
so it doesn't even look like you've deleted a mess
I didn't know that until last night.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
You teach our boss.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
But then one of the other parents said, macas a.
And then one of the other parents went, I was
halfway through reading that message, what's that message about? And
then someone else said, oh, wondering exactly what's going on here?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
And I was like fuck, oh no, half of them, Well, firstly,
don't really don't who's that keen on the on the
basketball WhatsApp that they were replying with them ten seconds?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, it was like, what are you doing? I would
I would say casual chat. I've seen a new one
on casual chat. Parents who are.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Have such so little girl that they are on.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
What SEPs that they that the messages pop up thirty night.
It was good. Oh well, probably not much. One thing
we need to discuss. This is too good. Okay, So
we're the parents who you were talking about, who are
also on the WhatsApp groat Did they see it?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Did you look at your red by No, because I
had to delete that ship straight away. I did get
that ship out of there.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Okay, So you won't even know whether they read it
or not.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I know the parent that dropped the kid off not
very active on the WhatsApp, but the other neglectful parent,
but the other parent reasonably active.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Mac milkshakes. So you what are you in the basketball team?
What do you do you have any sort.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Of I'm assistant coachinger, I'm the coach when the coach
isn't there. And yeah, wife's the manager. So I've brought
great shame to our family.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
So what did your wife say, babe?
Speaker 4 (13:55):
I started with I started with you're gonna I think
I started with please don't be angry at me for this, but.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
My number is now sixteen. And she at first she
was like.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Fuck, that's embarrassing, and then she was like, but it's
pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
That's pretty funny.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
It's pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Well you got it. I mean, you laugh, because if
you don't laugh, you're gonna be And I think we've
all around it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I do think we need to because people have these
on if we talk about it in the radio place.
I used to work out what we had a dozy
of these and I don't want to say who it
was because they are quite some quite well known New
Zealanders that were involved in this. But one day there
was like a you know, like a post had gone
up internally or something like that, and someone was filming
(14:42):
themselves with all these other people. Look at h this
is this famous person, this famous person.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
One of the other people at work saw that and
wrote a message essentially along the lines of fuck what
to eat us? You know, it was basically like did
you see that? You know the road for himself, thinking
he's the man, blah blah blah wrote that spog long message,
went to send it to one of his other workmates,
bombed into the all work chair and it was like, oh,
(15:10):
very clear who was talking about and what it was about,
and there were the entire company was in this and
one of the one of the pretty well known person
at this company, pretty well known person in the country,
if not the world, just replied to that and was
just like, not our style, mate, We built we built
(15:31):
each other up around there. Yeah, And it was bad.
So the guy who sent the message, he tried to
delete it, but he hit delete for me only, and
he didn't know that he'd done that, so when he
checked the group chat, it said message deleted. That's only
for him. Every other person in the company, the message
was still in there, but it was still in there
until and I didn't get until later on. He's like,
(15:58):
I don't Ah, that's an.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It's bloody. It's bloody dangerous out there with all of
this communication. It's too much communication going on, and you
hit the wrong button. If you've had a couple of drinks.
Next thing you're trying to do a post, next thing
you've done, you've DM someone you shouldn't have. No, Yeah, yeah, oh.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Wow, I do that browsing on my computer in the mornings.
But yeah, that's a that's a shock.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
A week. Oh, there's been a couple.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
There's been a few around the ACC has had a
couple of dozies which I don't want to say any names,
but there's been some real howlers where a message, in fact,
twice I can think of, there's been a message readden
about a person and then that was sent to the person.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
That it was about. Oh yeah, I know, that's a
that's a shock.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Those howlas social media howlers.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
We're going to talk about it on the radio.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
These people will have these Okay, let's.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Do Jerry and Mania joined the conflayt the Hadarki Breakfast
discussion group on Facebook. For more Jeremy Wells and Mania
Stuart find them on Instagram at HODARKI.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Breakfast right, I kick it in the guts, Trev.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
When fred Dad came on the radio, everybody stuck and.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
You said it he was bigger than the Beatles.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
This is my dad, John, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 6 (17:26):
One thing he didn't do, though, was write the story
of his own life, so I interviewed him.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I'm not here. I'll ask me to bring you back later.
Thank you?
Speaker 7 (17:37):
Hello?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Y does this week? The answer is yes, Lauren, and
it does work a resounding yes.
Speaker 7 (17:43):
How are you going?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah? Good? Do we find you pretty early in the morning?
Where are you? And Melbourne?
Speaker 7 (17:48):
Yeah? In Melbourne? And you do slightly, but not like offensively.
You know, it's not one of those ones where I'm like,
who am I?
Speaker 6 (18:03):
And you know what?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Am I?
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Even real? Am I even real?
Speaker 6 (18:07):
You know those ones where someone says you're talking to
somebody and it's midnight.
Speaker 7 (18:12):
But you be fine. No, I don't know who I am.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
It's funny talking to you, Lauren, because I can hear
you know your dad and your voice. It's quite interesting.
I've watched so much of your dad's stuff over the years,
and I'm such a messive fan. And I watched not
only Fred Day but also John Clark your film, and
I enjoyed it so much, and I learned so much
stuff that I that I didn't know. I thought I
(18:37):
knew a lot, but I can. I can just hear
just a couple of little the way that you finished sentences,
and it's very similar to the way that he finishing this. Obviously,
seeing as you.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
Funny, it's funny you say that because I when I
now like watching the film, I've got to the point
where I'll sit in an audience and it's like actually
spending time with Dad because because I think my favorite
thing is listening to him conversationally. So how interesting that
that you can hear that, Because yeah, that to me,
(19:10):
that's the just listening to him like talk as he's
thinking about stuff. It's like, that's that's the guy, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Like, yeah, that must be cool to have a to
have a because not a lot of people would have
you know, that much footage and audio of the appearance.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Yeah, I know, we've got oceans of My mum said
to me in the middle of the editing process. She said,
and will I meet.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
Alec, Alec Morton's brilliant editor. Will I meet Alec? And
I said, yeah, you'll meet Alec And she said, must
I meet Alec? And I said, what's wrong with Eleck?
Speaker 6 (19:52):
You've been hearing me tell you stories about Elec. She said, no,
he sounds brilliant, but he's seen all that footage.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
This is just like so much.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
And we really did have like so much footage of
just idiotic things and like, but also nothing like, there
is footage that actually he's in the film, which is
me sitting on a no, I'm sitting at a table,
I'm obviously on a telephone, I'm talking, I've got my
feet on the table, and Dad's just standing behind me
(20:24):
and nothing.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Else is happening.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Because what he used to do and he'd leave a camera,
a video camera running in a room, like and he
would just leave it on a bookshelf and you wouldn't
know it was there, and it was kind of like
big brother time.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, and then he cheed away and talk about stuff
with you, And that was what amazed me. It was
just the kinds of conversations that you were that you
were having with them, because oftentimes, you know, I work
on TV, and I think, I don't I don't want cameras. After,
you know, I go home and it's like, this is
the last thing that I want to do. I don't
(20:59):
want to performer, I don't want to I don't want
to talk anymore. I kind of switch off. But I
love the fact that he was having conversations with you.
He was filming a whole lot of stuff, is filming
a whole lot of family stuff. And the amazing thing
was the John Clark that was filming that stuff. It
just goes to show that the world was seeing very
much the real John Clark, the John Clarke that you
(21:21):
were seeing as well, that was so similar.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Yeah, like I that's kind of one of the things.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
That I I wanted to get across in the film
is that if I mean, you know, a lot of
people don't know who he is because you know, they
are not of the same era, or they're not you know,
a Kiwi or an Aussie, and so there are those people,
and I wanted the story to be interesting to them,
(21:49):
So that sort of needed to be about something other
than this guy was on the telly, you know. But
the second thing that I did want to say was
we we live in a world where there's a lot
of bad news and there's a lot of oh dear,
I thought that person was like this in my sort
(22:11):
of parasocial relationship that I have with them in my head,
and it turns out that they're not. And one of
the things people kept asking me when I was putting
the film together is how are you going to make
it interesting? Because people like him, people say nice things
about him. How are you going to make it interesting?
And one of my answers to that was, well, I'm
not going to pretend, you know, Like to me, I
(22:34):
think he had a relationship with his audience.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
That he valued and that they valued, and it was real.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
And in a way, that's kind of like if you
thought you knew him, you probably did, like that is
what he was like, and so like, what a nice thing.
And the actual complicated part of that is, you know,
overyone's a human and he had some tough things in
his life that he had to kind of.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
Move around dodge around.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
And he also was very annoying when you were a
teenage daughter.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
But other than that, I didn't sort of need.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
To exaggerate, you know, or like or tease out anything
to a major. He wasn't murdering puppies on the weekends
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, we stuck to that.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
You didn't find any accidental footage of you know, puppies
in a sec or something like that.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Yeah, No, I couldn't find that. No, I couldn't find that.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
No. If anything, it was like, God, Dad, you really
didn't mind how boring it all looked, did you, Because
he really did sort of he he loved.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
There's a bit in the.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Film actually that never made it to the film, but
which was we interviewed David Wenham, an actor who's quite
brilliant and who who was chatting away about Dad, and
they worked together on a couple of a couple of things,
and he was interviewing I was interviewing him, and he said, actually,
(24:11):
you know, when I made the first thing I made
with John, which was a series called the Murray Wheeland
series which Sam and Dad Sam Neil and Dad directed
one telemovie each of these books called the Murray Wheeling Series,
these sort of Melbourne crime books, And when said, and
(24:34):
I just had a daughter, a baby girl, and it
was sort of like very close to the sort of
the first day that I had to turn up for
rehearsals in Melbourne. I'd had this baby and John turned
up to my apartment that I was sort of moving
into and he sat down with me and he talked
to me, welcomed me to the club of having daughters,
(24:56):
and he said, you know it's a you'll love it
and all of that. And we chatted and he said
and he said to me, go out, well you're here
this weekend before we start rehearsals, go out and buy
a camera. Is it before the days of phones, the
phones that had cameras in them, to go out and
buy a camera.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
And he said, sit your kid down every year.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
And interview them and ask them, you know, who's your
favorite teacher, what's your favorite show on Telly?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
What you know?
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Tell me about yourself. And he said, do it every year.
You won't regret it because it all goes pretty quickly.
And David was telling this story and then he couldn't
speak anymore, and he said, my daughter's now twenty one
and I have a video of her from every year
of her life interviewing her.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
And Dad did that with us. That's what he did
with me and my sister.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Every year.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
He set us down. They are the most stultifyingly boring videos.
Neither of us wants to answer a question. We are wriggling,
we are saying can we go now? But in it
there are some moments of gold that have become sort
of family law. And so I think there was something
(26:16):
about his which kind of comes out in the film.
You know, he didn't really have a He had a
family he loved, and particularly you know, a sister with
whom he was besties, but he didn't really like he
celebrated having his own. He celebrated having one where there
wasn't a lot of tension and a lot of sort
(26:39):
of difficult trauma that wasn't being processed by the parents.
He it was something that he wanted to record.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
For whatever reason.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
And if we were here today, he would tell me
to stop talking about that because it's not really the point.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
But I think it's pretty cool that we in the end.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
When when I was thinking about making the film, I
was like, actually, I do have something up my sleeve here.
And it's forty seven hours of me and my sister
wriggling in a chair and sitting alone in a room
while there's a camera on the bookshelf.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, I am amazed. Though, and that's the wisdom of
your dad is something really interesting. He had an ability
to not only look at things now and see the
ridiculous part of them, he also somehow managed to make
very wise decisions about what would be seen as ridiculous
(27:37):
even in twenty years time. Like that's how do you
get how do you get that gift? Because is that
just intelligence or is that just deep him being a
deep thinker, or is this something else at particles? That's amazing?
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Well, in a way, I reckon, I've just been doing
funny say, I've just been going through the clarkendor interviews,
a selection of those satirical interviews he was known for
over here in Australia, and.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
Some of them could be written yesterday.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
And they circulate through you know YouTube now and it's
full of Americans going, wow, this, you know, this amazing interview.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
With this real politician is fascinating.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
But it's they're also there'll be and they'll also say
things like, oh god, it's it's devastating how true it is.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
And someone in you know, Uruguay will write very much
like what's.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
Happening in Uruguay and politics to this day and so
and so in other words, I suppose my answer is
that he he understood systems that sort of didn't often
sort of wasn't about the particular. I mean, how he
made it particular was playing a slight character, you know,
(29:09):
just a little bit of arrogance, a little bit of
unearned arrogance or something, or there was a premise in
there that he sort of could that he could build
the other things around. So like I used to sit
in his office. I used to go and work in
Dad's office because he had an office up the road
from you, at the top of a cafe and near
(29:32):
where he lived, and I lived locally, so I'd wander
up there and i'd sit in his office and use
that like a completely entitled douchebag, frankly the way I've
just made myself sound.
Speaker 7 (29:44):
But anyway, I'd be sitting there.
Speaker 6 (29:46):
I'd be sitting there, and the conversations I got to
listen into were probably worth the price of admission alone,
because I got to hear some hilarious things. But also
he would talk to people all day when he was
writing those interviews. He would talk to people in media.
He'd bring up someone, he'd say, what do you think
of this? And he'd be talking to some mate of
(30:08):
his who you know, was a particular expert in that
area or whatever, and then he would weave those things in,
but they wouldn't He never made he never got too
into the nitty gritty. And sometimes he'd say to him, Hey,
what are you doing on TV this week? Because this huge,
big issue is just blown up And he'd say, yeah, well,
(30:29):
I won't be doing that because he but he'd mention it.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
It'd be in there and people.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Would sort of go haha, because he sort of served
that issue into the writing a little bit, and he
and Brian always had a lot of fun with that.
But it was interesting because I think what my answer is,
what I'm trying to get to, is that it was
always about systems and people. He could kind of zoom
out in order to zoom back in again.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yes, so I'm just looking here your film, not only
fred dag but also John Clark. It's going to be
playing on the twenty fourth of May at the Capitol Cinema.
So you're going to have a Q and A afterwards
because you're attending, and you're attending and Capital Oscar Kiteley
(31:16):
is going to be hosting the Q and a because
it's twenty years this year that marks the Fred which
is given to the best New Zealand show in the
New Zealand International Comedy Festival every year. So did he
know about that award that was named after his character?
Speaker 7 (31:36):
Sure did.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
I think he may have had several hours worth of
conversations in one sitting, knowing him.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
With the festival at the time.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
So I think I don't actually know the story of
the origin of it. I just I do remember, I mean,
I do know that he knew.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
About it, and he was justly pro out he.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
You know, he was.
Speaker 7 (32:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
I don't think he used to sort of avoid the
issue when you would ask him whether he sort of
you know, saw a line between his early stuff which
was just so early and if you if you watch
the film, you'll sort of, I mean, I tried to
get across how sort of miraculous it was.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
He describes it at.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
One point as a few of us, you know, snuck
through the back line and we you know, just made it.
Really did seems like it was sorry.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
You're talking about the Fred Dagg stuff or as early stands, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
Fred Dag Yeah, No, well, you know, he really Fred
that early Fred stuff. It's a it's a kind of
accident in numeracle that it happened at all, and then
it happened just so quickly and it really just went.
It was just sort of an accident of like media
timing in a way, and it was off. But when
(32:59):
you ask him, you know, you'd say, hey, when you
did that, there there wasn't really a job of being
a comedian. There are a few people who were doing
sort of similar things and that was a bit of
a tradition of theatery kind of comedy, but.
Speaker 7 (33:17):
There wasn't.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
And now look look at the Kiwi's punching above their weight.
I mean it's a cliche, but check it out. It's
like per capita, it must be one in every two
of you. And he said, oh, well, you know then
that's how sort of things happen and stuff. But yeah,
he didn't so but I'm not I am. I do
(33:41):
think he would have been completely tickled by it. You
know that the fact that it's twenty years later and
that that's quite a difference between even just when the
thread started and where you guys are now.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
It's it's pretty amazing to watch.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, and also from what I understand certainly from your
document He was very much a humanist like he enjoyed
encouraging other comedians. He always wrote nice notes to people.
He encouraged filmmakers, documentary makers, people that he thought were good.
They get a call from him or a note from
him or something like that, saying good on you. I
(34:18):
think what you're doing is great. Like what, ah, that's
such a not a lovely thing to do. Yeah, why
don't you do that?
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Joy?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Yeah, I should do more.
Speaker 7 (34:27):
You don't do enough of that.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I don't do enough for a lot of things. Lauren. Hey, Lauren,
thanks for chatting to us.
Speaker 7 (34:36):
I look very good to chat.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
And I really enjoyed the film as thank you so
much for putting it out. And I encourage everybody to
go along and see it because there's so much more
to John Clark than fred Dagg. Certainly, and a lot
of New Zealanders as well know fred Dag so well,
but they actually haven't seen a lot of the fred
Dag footage because John in his wisdom own the footage,
(35:00):
so t VNZ didn't actually own it, so it hasn't
been played a lot in archive in New Zealand. Yeah,
I did an archive show myself and we could only
get certain clips, and then watching the film, I was like,
oh wow, there's all of this stuff that we never saw.
So there's a whole lot of Fridack stuff that you
wouldn't seen, plus all of the stuff that he did
(35:22):
in Australia which was just amazing. So thank you for
making the film and thanks for talking to us this morning.
Speaker 7 (35:28):
Thanks so much, guys, lovely to chat Jerry and Maniah.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
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