August 2, 2026 • 17 mins
Today on the Pod, the guys chat about having kids or more so why people are not having children...
Plus, Rooda trauma dumps early on in the Pod...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Daily bespoke content that you won't find on the radio
show The HURDARKI Breakfast Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome to the first part of the Chairy, The first
podcast to see the Sun, the first to see in
the new day of the Day of Our Lord, The
third of August twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Contreversial opinion. Shit this month of the year.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
August.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Yeah, it's just nothing. What happens in August. I don't
think there is a there's not a public holiday. It
is the depths of winter. I can't think of anyone
I like her as a birthday in that month.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Let me offer you up an idea here. Dafodils. Yeah,
deathfodils come out in August that yeah, yeah, yeah, just
before spring. I mean it's something you all of a sudden,
you think, oh, here we go there, the days are
getting longer.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I'm not saying definitils a bit.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I don't think I've seen one in August. Is it
an North Island thing?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Maybe? Maybe it's Anrth Island thing.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
I have to mention that it's my daughter's birthday on
the thirty first.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, and I don't like her. I don't like it.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
August I don't like the parties at your fucking party
this week in jeez.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
As Christ's the thirty first of August.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Yeah, but she's got a lot of friends that have
birthdays around that time of year, so we.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
And they all suck.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
No, no, no, what's in August?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
She's probably on four.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
She put it four weeks forward. Four weeks?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Are you allowed to put it forward? Well, you've moved
her time.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
We moved clock back for the winter, Jerry, where can
we not put it forward? The birthdays? That's interesting anyway?
So that was cool.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I say you had that in the weekend.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Well I was. I was a silent participant. My wife
really was the hostess with the mostest. So your daughter
is eleven, twelve year well twelve on the thirty first?
Well okay, so what's the twelve year old birthday go?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
How does that go? Nowadays?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Spinner happens four hundred bucks on ship like food and
lollies and pizza and shit, what.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Do they do?
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Stay up all night? Kid bender as they make it
their mission to stay up all night? That's cool, man?
How good is that? It was cool?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Though? You remember what that was like at that age?
There was it was a real novelty.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I think, as my wife said, you probably didn't have
sleepovers like that growing up, right, And I was like, nah,
not at my house. That didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
So three minutes into this podcast where it is traumatic childhood,
it might be a new PB.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
That's quicker than I think. So they stayed up, Yeah,
I watched movies.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
They stayed up, watched movies and didn't listen when they
told to go to sleep, and ship and I went
to sleep about during the morning good stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Oh okay, Well they were right next to you.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Nah, but you know the wife gets up and tries
to make sure they're all right. You guys are right,
go to sleep, Go to sleep, guys, of course. And
then they don't good iffort like staying up that late
man for at four o'clock. At four o'clock, yeah, some
of them are still going at four.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
These kids have got potential.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, they get a bag?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Are you sure?
Speaker 5 (03:10):
I got a number of bags of Lolly's man a
number because I pay for them.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
That's a good sign, man. I mean, if they can
start till four, I reckon that's a good that would
look back remember that time we stayed up before. Yeah,
it's good.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I remember that time Dad said, thus a birthday party
and just pass. That's about how much it costs and
how late we stayed.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Up there, made them, made them pancakes in the morning.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I'm sending someone home if you don't know, if you
don't go to sleep now, people are going home.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
My wife went to tell them, okay, time to calm
down now, and my daughter went, come on, mum, still
being such a buzz And I didn't even get it.
It was great. I was just lying in bed.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Are you sure they didn't get a bag?
Speaker 5 (03:56):
No, well I'm not sure. No, I'm in there. Well
I live in going on twelve.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
If they got a bag, things are happening early nowadays.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
I live in going on twelve. Done and ruben Auckland,
rubened Fred.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Times are changing, jerious, times are changing.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
The times they.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Are Yeah, and then serve them up Milo's unfortunately, because
there's a sleepover in the lounge. Saved them up eight
milos in the morning.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Oh no, on the carpet, Nah, on the bed, on
the bed yep, yep, on the bed yep. Well paid
for that last night. I hope you made her pay.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
And really, do you know what I've developed a new technique.
If I start feeling myself getting angry and I'm going
to unreasonably tell her for a child, I leave the room.
And I left the room and a half. No, and
very fast.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Do you put your arms really really really like straight
by your side and stomp out?
Speaker 5 (04:56):
No? No, I mean I walk quite quicker than the
average man anyway. But but no, I got out of there.
Got out of there because I didn't want to tell
off a kid that wasn't mine for no real good reason.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I mean, hold on a second, you're allowed to tell off, give.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Even I recognized in that moment of rage it wasn't
a good reason.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
To speak a child.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I know.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I want to know what the reason is. Well, what
did I would that kid? What did the kid do?
Speaker 5 (05:26):
She spilled milo on the mattress?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Close first punch them?
Speaker 5 (05:32):
At that point, shall I just tune up outside school today?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Someone's bringing it in that you can you can run
out if it's it was plan.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Then the guy from the teachers then comes on and goes,
I've never met a teacher who's ever said, you know
the problems we can't grab the kids?
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Yeah, And then I asked, did they ask about this
the tea. The teachers don't want that in the class
go oh fun, I'm going to fight this kid. I
don't want that.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I just got the idea for the policy. That's crazy.
What was was the teacher that wanted to do that.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
There's no one, No, there's no one they are they
are They're like what what?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
What?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Boomer is the most passed off about? What do you
hear them say? And we'll make a policy out of it.
It's because the money teachers cat have the kids anyway,
So what are you gonna do get in a fucking
follow on Kung Fu fight with a kid? It's because
they spilled a bit of milor on the on the bed.
It's crazy. Yeah. And the other one was that when
(06:41):
Peter's gonna pay five grand to have a kid, so right,
so three kids, I get paid fifteen grand, but you
guys both have kids.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Five grand a year for the first three years, five years.
I read for the five grand year, forty five grand
for three kids.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You can get three out quite I just I loved it.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
So what they've done there is they've gone Why aren't
people my age, it's my generation, Why aren't they having kids,
and then we've all gone, it's too fucking expensive. It
doesn't you can't justify it. We're barely scraping by by ourselves.
How are gonna you know, it's not a good environment
to bring kid into. They go, oh, what page your
five grand? Okay, but everything's still twelve times as expensive
(07:23):
as it was when you raised five kids on a
single income back in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And I think now it'll be more expensive because all
these people have got five thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yeah, and aren't they the I was going to say
station the party that that is against benefits.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Isn't that inflationary? I think five thousand dollars benefit. I
don't know quite what they're the party of.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I think that whatever gets them back in is what
it is.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I think, so I know what it is. That what
it really is is they're worried that New Zealand is
changing color, right, and so this is a way of
getting you because did you read the phone print?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
The phone problem was if you're white, one.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Person has to be a New Zealand, a New Zealander
and the party and you've got to have a job. Yeah, right,
so you can't. So what it was was that back,
Like in two thousand and six, eighty something percent of
New Zealand children were born to New Zealanders who lived
in New Zealand. Now it's seventy something percent of kids
(08:23):
born in New Zealand born to New Zealander. So the
rest are immigrant kids, and so they don't they don't
like immigrants, anti immigration, so this is their way of
getting more.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
But no, it doesn't make any sence because I am
the person that that's targeted at a thirty five year
old man. It doesn't have any kids. I'm the problem there.
Five grand does not take all my balls at all.
That does not change my opinion on having a kid.
I don't think anyone's like, you know that five grand
short this year, We'll have a kid next year.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
There's a few of these policies around the place. Is
one in South Korea where they've got the worst birth
rate or the lowest birth rate in the world. Yeah, right,
I think that one point one three or something. Yeah,
we're one point six, which is and going down, which
is not good.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
My majors had a kid.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
He's the first of our group, of our friend group,
we're all the same age, thirty five.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
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Speaker 2 (09:27):
I would like to know exactly what the reason is
that the birth rates hold that that kids are not
so it's it's money.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah, it's not like back in back in the day,
Like my granddad was a freezing worker and raised three kids,
are known to house and two cars. You could not
do that these days. And I mean me and Jeff,
we don't. We've done okay, we don't feel like we're
you know, killing it. Then on top of that, the
way the whole system set up at the moment is
you've got to work. The mother has to work forty
(09:54):
hours a week just to afford forty hours worth a
fucking yeah, so expensive.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I don't that. I think that's actually the thing is
that it's less around the cost and more around what
you have to give up in terms of work and
all of that sort of stuff, which is which is
a big deal nowadays. Which is the cost, yeah, which
is which does end up being a cost, but also
just the commitment. It's a massive commitment and it is
(10:22):
a massive commitment. It's an intense commitment.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, but I don't that's not that hasn't been the fact.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Because if you've got two, if you're used to having
two incomes, right, and you think, okay, I've got to
go to one, We've got to get a one income
to have a kid, then there's a financial part to it. Yes,
you've got to give something up to do this. And
you're like, am I prepared to give up my career
at the stage if you're a female, and it's like,
that's a big and that is a big call.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
That is a big call.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
There doesn't mean anything we've discussed, but I yeah, I
just it's not like going from two to one income.
It's not like oh yeah that would suck. It's like, no,
we can't do that. Yeah yeah, yeah that we that
literally won't.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah. I think that that high cost of housing is
just the thing that I don't understand her that kills
everyone because you can't do anything about that. If you've
got a mortgage, it's expensive. If you're renting it, there's
no there's no and you've got to live somewhere, So
that's you can't cut that cost. You can't change that cost.
You can, you can maybe live in a smaller place,
(11:22):
but then if you've got a cat or something like that,
you can't live in a You've got to have some
kind of space downside.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
And then that's three kids.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I think in Hungary they've got that interesting policy where
if you have three children, is it two or three?
It might be two. If you have two children, then
if you're a female, then for the rest of your
life you don't have to pay tax. But as long
as you stay I think you have to stay married
or something. Jesus, there's some there's some weird roll in there,
(11:51):
like I mean, it does create an incentive.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I don't think those financial ones. I really don't think.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
That's like it's a cultural phenomenon.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
It is, yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
It definitely is, because like the primary school I went to,
it's like three generations of my family went to the
same primary school and it's joinedling.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I think the role is really really small now.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
And I was asking this fellow down home, so what's that,
and you tell me, be guys, I don't have kids.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, everything is just so
bloody expensive. It's like you know when your parents.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Are like, oh, buddy, if you hadn't bought all those TVs,
then you'd have a bit more money. It's like a
TV back when they were coming up cost half of
what your house did. Now your house costs a million dollars,
the TV costs a thousand. What's that less than one
percent of.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I'm pretty sure all the stats say though, that as
a male, if you do have children, you then your
income increases. So something happens to you over the course
of the fact of having children that you all of
a sudden knuckle down and you want to earn more money,
you want to work more.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Maybe, but wouldn't wouldn't the average salary be higher the
older you are, regardless and general the people that are having.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Kids older, So that would probably factor into it.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah as well, but it's not.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I don't None of my mates don't have a kid
because they've sat down and gone. You know, if I
just have five grand, you know what I mean. It's
more that like everything is so fucking expensive. I mean,
how much the nappis would nappies over the course that
you wipe out that five grand?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Nappies are expensive and nappy suck Yeah, nappys are a
real expensive.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
And your only option is either nap it up or
you go the rank fucking cloth ones that you really want.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, but although I do from what I remember of it,
and it was I was obviously this. Nappe's were what
you know, fourteen years ago for me. But oddly enough,
having a little baby is actually not that expensive. It's
the especially in those first days. It's actually when they
(13:55):
get a bit older that they become kids have become
more expensive.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Hit a breastfeed, those things into the twenty.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Because the other things you don't didn't really go out
and you don't spend as much money on doing other things,
like you're not at the pub for yeah, so if
you spend fifty bucks at the pub maybe on a
Saturday night, your chances are you probably not going to
be doing that anymore.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
No, No, And the food.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
For a baby is not actually much, you know, And
so that this and and sometimes and not everyone's in
the situation. But a lot of the time parents come
in and they'll be like, oh, you know, we'll get you,
We'll buy a stroller or something, you know. Oftentimes parents
will try and contribute or try and grandparents will come
(14:40):
in on both sides and try and help out a bit.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
You know, it's very helpful if you're if your in
laws and parents can look after your kid.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
That's another one.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
That's another one, and a lot of people in my
age you've had to move away from there home down
casing point me.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I don't have any family here.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
And also it does put pressure on your relationship, there's
no doubt about that. In the early stages of it,
you're both tired, and if your relationship's not solid to
start with, I got to say it is. It's not easy.
It's not easy, but only good things, all good things
are not easy, and you come through it, and when
you do come through it, your relationship is always better.
But it's definitely when you're both tired and who does what,
(15:22):
and yeah, I'm doing this and I'm doing all this stuff,
you're not helping out and if you yeah, you got
to both be pitching in. But you've got a project
and you're both trying to do the same thing and
you both want the same outcome, which is a good child. Yeah,
you know, you both working towards the same outcome. So
it's quite a cool team thing.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Wow, that's the problem. If you can't work no hand
on heart. In the early days, absolutely well know we
oh we were not and probably i'd go, I'd go
if I was to a portion, blame yeah on the piss,
none of that. Seventy me sixteen fourteen just didn't work
(16:04):
well as a team. It was almost like we're in
a competition.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
So you did seveny and she did.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
No, no, no, was she grateful enough for all the stuff
you would do? If we were to a portion, blame
pie of the reasons why we were not good as
a team. I'd go seventy percent. You take seventy, I'd
take seven.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
That's quite a manipulative of you.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
And we didn't work well as a team, kids, but
now we do. That's what we.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Tell Dad's fault. You tell the kids.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
That's what we tell the kids.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
What's it got to do with the kids, Because why
don't you guys split.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Up for a little while? Oh that's because what did
you guys split up for a little while?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Oh that's because that's because dad had's emotions.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
They needed some space.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Because dog's got a bark, kids, dog's got a bar.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
There's a this Dad's a hard dog to keep on
the porch is.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
A tough dog to keep in the head this one.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
This is not true. Dogs.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Some oats sell us. No, I sell us all men
that we need to sew our oats kids. I sold
those oats.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yeah twice. And that's it.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
It's going through the photo of them. Here's some, here's some.
There's some men's.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Men's on these loyalists options work well together.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
As a team.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Try swiping left on this one.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
No, that's not what it was about, Gerry.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Actually at all radio show have done this.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome to the first part of the Chairy, The first
podcast to see the Sun, the first to see in
the new day of the Day of Our Lord, The
third of August twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Contreversial opinion. Shit this month of the year.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
August.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Yeah, it's just nothing. What happens in August. I don't
think there is a there's not a public holiday. It
is the depths of winter. I can't think of anyone
I like her as a birthday in that month.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Let me offer you up an idea here. Dafodils. Yeah,
deathfodils come out in August that yeah, yeah, yeah, just
before spring. I mean it's something you all of a sudden,
you think, oh, here we go there, the days are
getting longer.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I'm not saying definitils a bit.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I don't think I've seen one in August. Is it
an North Island thing?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Maybe? Maybe it's Anrth Island thing.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
I have to mention that it's my daughter's birthday on
the thirty first.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, and I don't like her. I don't like it.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
August I don't like the parties at your fucking party
this week in jeez.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
As Christ's the thirty first of August.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Yeah, but she's got a lot of friends that have
birthdays around that time of year, so we.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
And they all suck.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
No, no, no, what's in August?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
She's probably on four.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
She put it four weeks forward. Four weeks?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Are you allowed to put it forward? Well, you've moved
her time.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
We moved clock back for the winter, Jerry, where can
we not put it forward? The birthdays? That's interesting anyway?
So that was cool.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I say you had that in the weekend.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Well I was. I was a silent participant. My wife
really was the hostess with the mostest. So your daughter
is eleven, twelve year well twelve on the thirty first?
Well okay, so what's the twelve year old birthday go?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
How does that go? Nowadays?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Spinner happens four hundred bucks on ship like food and
lollies and pizza and shit, what.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Do they do?
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Stay up all night? Kid bender as they make it
their mission to stay up all night? That's cool, man?
How good is that? It was cool?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Though? You remember what that was like at that age?
There was it was a real novelty.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I think, as my wife said, you probably didn't have
sleepovers like that growing up, right, And I was like, nah,
not at my house. That didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
It.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
So three minutes into this podcast where it is traumatic childhood,
it might be a new PB.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
That's quicker than I think. So they stayed up, Yeah,
I watched movies.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
They stayed up, watched movies and didn't listen when they
told to go to sleep, and ship and I went
to sleep about during the morning good stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Oh okay, Well they were right next to you.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
Nah, but you know the wife gets up and tries
to make sure they're all right. You guys are right,
go to sleep, Go to sleep, guys, of course. And
then they don't good iffort like staying up that late
man for at four o'clock. At four o'clock, yeah, some
of them are still going at four.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
These kids have got potential.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, they get a bag?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Are you sure?
Speaker 5 (03:10):
I got a number of bags of Lolly's man a
number because I pay for them.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
That's a good sign, man. I mean, if they can
start till four, I reckon that's a good that would
look back remember that time we stayed up before. Yeah,
it's good.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
I remember that time Dad said, thus a birthday party
and just pass. That's about how much it costs and
how late we stayed.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Up there, made them, made them pancakes in the morning.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I'm sending someone home if you don't know, if you
don't go to sleep now, people are going home.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
My wife went to tell them, okay, time to calm
down now, and my daughter went, come on, mum, still
being such a buzz And I didn't even get it.
It was great. I was just lying in bed.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Are you sure they didn't get a bag?
Speaker 5 (03:56):
No, well I'm not sure. No, I'm in there. Well
I live in going on twelve.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
If they got a bag, things are happening early nowadays.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
I live in going on twelve. Done and ruben Auckland,
rubened Fred.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Times are changing, jerious, times are changing.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
The times they.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Are Yeah, and then serve them up Milo's unfortunately, because
there's a sleepover in the lounge. Saved them up eight
milos in the morning.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Oh no, on the carpet, Nah, on the bed, on
the bed yep, yep, on the bed yep. Well paid
for that last night. I hope you made her pay.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
And really, do you know what I've developed a new technique.
If I start feeling myself getting angry and I'm going
to unreasonably tell her for a child, I leave the room.
And I left the room and a half. No, and
very fast.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Do you put your arms really really really like straight
by your side and stomp out?
Speaker 5 (04:56):
No? No, I mean I walk quite quicker than the
average man anyway. But but no, I got out of there.
Got out of there because I didn't want to tell
off a kid that wasn't mine for no real good reason.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I mean, hold on a second, you're allowed to tell off, give.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Even I recognized in that moment of rage it wasn't
a good reason.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
To speak a child.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I know.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I want to know what the reason is. Well, what
did I would that kid? What did the kid do?
Speaker 5 (05:26):
She spilled milo on the mattress?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Close first punch them?
Speaker 5 (05:32):
At that point, shall I just tune up outside school today?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Someone's bringing it in that you can you can run
out if it's it was plan.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Then the guy from the teachers then comes on and goes,
I've never met a teacher who's ever said, you know
the problems we can't grab the kids?
Speaker 6 (05:53):
Yeah, And then I asked, did they ask about this
the tea. The teachers don't want that in the class
go oh fun, I'm going to fight this kid. I
don't want that.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I just got the idea for the policy. That's crazy.
What was was the teacher that wanted to do that.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
There's no one, No, there's no one they are they
are They're like what what?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
What?
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Boomer is the most passed off about? What do you
hear them say? And we'll make a policy out of it.
It's because the money teachers cat have the kids anyway,
So what are you gonna do get in a fucking
follow on Kung Fu fight with a kid? It's because
they spilled a bit of milor on the on the bed.
It's crazy. Yeah. And the other one was that when
(06:41):
Peter's gonna pay five grand to have a kid, so right,
so three kids, I get paid fifteen grand, but you
guys both have kids.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
Five grand a year for the first three years, five years.
I read for the five grand year, forty five grand
for three kids.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
You can get three out quite I just I loved it.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
So what they've done there is they've gone Why aren't
people my age, it's my generation, Why aren't they having kids,
and then we've all gone, it's too fucking expensive. It
doesn't you can't justify it. We're barely scraping by by ourselves.
How are gonna you know, it's not a good environment
to bring kid into. They go, oh, what page your
five grand? Okay, but everything's still twelve times as expensive
(07:23):
as it was when you raised five kids on a
single income back in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And I think now it'll be more expensive because all
these people have got five thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Yeah, and aren't they the I was going to say
station the party that that is against benefits.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Isn't that inflationary? I think five thousand dollars benefit. I
don't know quite what they're the party of.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I think that whatever gets them back in is what
it is.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I think, so I know what it is. That what
it really is is they're worried that New Zealand is
changing color, right, and so this is a way of
getting you because did you read the phone print?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
The phone problem was if you're white, one.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Person has to be a New Zealand, a New Zealander
and the party and you've got to have a job. Yeah, right,
so you can't. So what it was was that back,
Like in two thousand and six, eighty something percent of
New Zealand children were born to New Zealanders who lived
in New Zealand. Now it's seventy something percent of kids
(08:23):
born in New Zealand born to New Zealander. So the
rest are immigrant kids, and so they don't they don't
like immigrants, anti immigration, so this is their way of
getting more.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
But no, it doesn't make any sence because I am
the person that that's targeted at a thirty five year
old man. It doesn't have any kids. I'm the problem there.
Five grand does not take all my balls at all.
That does not change my opinion on having a kid.
I don't think anyone's like, you know that five grand
short this year, We'll have a kid next year.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
There's a few of these policies around the place. Is
one in South Korea where they've got the worst birth
rate or the lowest birth rate in the world. Yeah, right,
I think that one point one three or something. Yeah,
we're one point six, which is and going down, which
is not good.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
My majors had a kid.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
He's the first of our group, of our friend group,
we're all the same age, thirty five.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
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Speaker 2 (09:27):
I would like to know exactly what the reason is
that the birth rates hold that that kids are not
so it's it's money.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah, it's not like back in back in the day,
Like my granddad was a freezing worker and raised three kids,
are known to house and two cars. You could not
do that these days. And I mean me and Jeff,
we don't. We've done okay, we don't feel like we're
you know, killing it. Then on top of that, the
way the whole system set up at the moment is
you've got to work. The mother has to work forty
(09:54):
hours a week just to afford forty hours worth a
fucking yeah, so expensive.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I don't that. I think that's actually the thing is
that it's less around the cost and more around what
you have to give up in terms of work and
all of that sort of stuff, which is which is
a big deal nowadays. Which is the cost, yeah, which
is which does end up being a cost, but also
just the commitment. It's a massive commitment and it is
(10:22):
a massive commitment. It's an intense commitment.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, but I don't that's not that hasn't been the fact.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Because if you've got two, if you're used to having
two incomes, right, and you think, okay, I've got to
go to one, We've got to get a one income
to have a kid, then there's a financial part to it. Yes,
you've got to give something up to do this. And
you're like, am I prepared to give up my career
at the stage if you're a female, and it's like,
that's a big and that is a big call.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
That is a big call.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
There doesn't mean anything we've discussed, but I yeah, I
just it's not like going from two to one income.
It's not like oh yeah that would suck. It's like, no,
we can't do that. Yeah yeah, yeah that we that
literally won't.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah. I think that that high cost of housing is
just the thing that I don't understand her that kills
everyone because you can't do anything about that. If you've
got a mortgage, it's expensive. If you're renting it, there's
no there's no and you've got to live somewhere, So
that's you can't cut that cost. You can't change that cost.
You can, you can maybe live in a smaller place,
(11:22):
but then if you've got a cat or something like that,
you can't live in a You've got to have some
kind of space downside.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
And then that's three kids.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I think in Hungary they've got that interesting policy where
if you have three children, is it two or three?
It might be two. If you have two children, then
if you're a female, then for the rest of your
life you don't have to pay tax. But as long
as you stay I think you have to stay married
or something. Jesus, there's some there's some weird roll in there,
(11:51):
like I mean, it does create an incentive.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I don't think those financial ones. I really don't think.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
That's like it's a cultural phenomenon.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
It is, yeah, it is.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
It definitely is, because like the primary school I went to,
it's like three generations of my family went to the
same primary school and it's joinedling.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I think the role is really really small now.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
And I was asking this fellow down home, so what's that,
and you tell me, be guys, I don't have kids.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, everything is just so
bloody expensive. It's like you know when your parents.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Are like, oh, buddy, if you hadn't bought all those TVs,
then you'd have a bit more money. It's like a
TV back when they were coming up cost half of
what your house did. Now your house costs a million dollars,
the TV costs a thousand. What's that less than one
percent of.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I'm pretty sure all the stats say though, that as
a male, if you do have children, you then your
income increases. So something happens to you over the course
of the fact of having children that you all of
a sudden knuckle down and you want to earn more money,
you want to work more.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Maybe, but wouldn't wouldn't the average salary be higher the
older you are, regardless and general the people that are having.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Kids older, So that would probably factor into it.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah as well, but it's not.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I don't None of my mates don't have a kid
because they've sat down and gone. You know, if I
just have five grand, you know what I mean. It's
more that like everything is so fucking expensive. I mean,
how much the nappis would nappies over the course that
you wipe out that five grand?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Nappies are expensive and nappy suck Yeah, nappys are a
real expensive.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
And your only option is either nap it up or
you go the rank fucking cloth ones that you really want.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, but although I do from what I remember of it,
and it was I was obviously this. Nappe's were what
you know, fourteen years ago for me. But oddly enough,
having a little baby is actually not that expensive. It's
the especially in those first days. It's actually when they
(13:55):
get a bit older that they become kids have become
more expensive.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Hit a breastfeed, those things into the twenty.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Because the other things you don't didn't really go out
and you don't spend as much money on doing other things,
like you're not at the pub for yeah, so if
you spend fifty bucks at the pub maybe on a
Saturday night, your chances are you probably not going to
be doing that anymore.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
No, No, And the food.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
For a baby is not actually much, you know, And
so that this and and sometimes and not everyone's in
the situation. But a lot of the time parents come
in and they'll be like, oh, you know, we'll get you,
We'll buy a stroller or something, you know. Oftentimes parents
will try and contribute or try and grandparents will come
(14:40):
in on both sides and try and help out a bit.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
You know, it's very helpful if you're if your in
laws and parents can look after your kid.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
That's another one.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
That's another one, and a lot of people in my
age you've had to move away from there home down
casing point me.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I don't have any family here.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
And also it does put pressure on your relationship, there's
no doubt about that. In the early stages of it,
you're both tired, and if your relationship's not solid to
start with, I got to say it is. It's not easy.
It's not easy, but only good things, all good things
are not easy, and you come through it, and when
you do come through it, your relationship is always better.
But it's definitely when you're both tired and who does what,
(15:22):
and yeah, I'm doing this and I'm doing all this stuff,
you're not helping out and if you yeah, you got
to both be pitching in. But you've got a project
and you're both trying to do the same thing and
you both want the same outcome, which is a good child. Yeah,
you know, you both working towards the same outcome. So
it's quite a cool team thing.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Wow, that's the problem. If you can't work no hand
on heart. In the early days, absolutely well know we
oh we were not and probably i'd go, I'd go
if I was to a portion, blame yeah on the piss,
none of that. Seventy me sixteen fourteen just didn't work
(16:04):
well as a team. It was almost like we're in
a competition.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
So you did seveny and she did.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
No, no, no, was she grateful enough for all the stuff
you would do? If we were to a portion, blame
pie of the reasons why we were not good as
a team. I'd go seventy percent. You take seventy, I'd
take seven.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
That's quite a manipulative of you.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
And we didn't work well as a team, kids, but
now we do. That's what we.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Tell Dad's fault. You tell the kids.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
That's what we tell the kids.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
What's it got to do with the kids, Because why
don't you guys split.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Up for a little while? Oh that's because what did
you guys split up for a little while?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Oh that's because that's because dad had's emotions.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
They needed some space.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Because dog's got a bark, kids, dog's got a bar.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
There's a this Dad's a hard dog to keep on
the porch is.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
A tough dog to keep in the head this one.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
This is not true. Dogs.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Some oats sell us. No, I sell us all men
that we need to sew our oats kids. I sold
those oats.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yeah twice. And that's it.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
It's going through the photo of them. Here's some, here's some.
There's some men's.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Men's on these loyalists options work well together.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
As a team.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Try swiping left on this one.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
No, that's not what it was about, Gerry.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Actually at all radio show have done this.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
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