May 10, 2026 • 31 mins
Today on the pod we talk about Split Enz, haggling, and Iraq.
then we talk to TVNZ's Jack tame about his new show "You, Me & Aussie", which airs Monday night, 8.40pm on TVNZ 1 and TVNZ+
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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show The Hurdaki Breakfast Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Cheers in Cuda this morning, fellas Hey and cheers. We
killed cheers.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Cheers. That's a cheers. Oh that's good. It's the sound
of a black coffee that's way too fucking hot to
drink for me.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
I just had a very very brief because I felt
like it was the radio show when you said fucking
too hot.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I just had a little Oh. I sworn, he's sworn.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
He's sworn.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Within ten seconds of broadcast, chill out, gun, the man
is the man is sworn? A producer rudor, did you
sleep last night in the oh?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yes, studio?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Against sleep is an interesting term. I felt like I
didn't sleep well. I felt like it was too hot.
I was running too hot under my duvet last night.
Did you bring a dovet my do vet? In my
sleep mask? Sleep mask felt.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Very heavy sleep mask two thousand.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yeah, I'm a little bit hungover, a a little only
a little though.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
You look like me got a lot of sleep and
you look like you can see me under a really
hot duve that doesn't.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Breathe and at a b studio on a child's single
fold up home matress.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, how did you get the child? I was gonna
say a child's single fold out matress?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, when you could find a power uther most weekends.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, there was a lot of discussion last night. We
went to look behind the kid discussing. We went to
split ends last night and it started quite late, nine
o'clock for a Sunday night. It was a school night.
And we got out. I got home. I got out
of there about eleven thirty arrived time.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Hard to get out of Spark, difficult to get out
of sparks, hard to get out of Spark.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
We walked, Me and my friend John walked miles.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, we walked to TV and Zdenough, Holy shit, you
walked to TV.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
We walked to TVs. There. We wanted to get a
bit of distance on that Spark and also that surge
pricing switch tanking. Yeah, thirty seven bucks to get from
the We did a bit of negotiation with some of
the taxi drivers because we make John's been a bit
of time and India want.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Oh yeah, so he just walked up and said, how
about slash your fucking tires right now?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
He just loves to haggle Wow, he loves it.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
He can't haggle, man, I can't and I can't. I
can't even be there when someone else's down for the radio.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, a good Oneing a taxi. He's like these helers.
He's like these season, these season wrapping people off along here.
You know this season they just checked the TEXTI sign
on their car and they're trying to wrap you off.
He goes, said, we can hagel a ride along here.
I'm like, let's let's not worry about that. He guys,
come on, it's fun, so fun. Well, he loves agle.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I can't watch it.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
That's difficult.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
It was so all good. I did it once in
Bali and that was for these for these glasses, and
I was like twenty bucks and the guy's like, nah,
we can do it. And I was like, I'm not
paying more twenty bucks to this rip off fucking vasachis
or whatever they were. And then he's like one more
price by that, one more prices like nap, and I
put them back on the thing. He goes, okay, twenty twenty.
(03:11):
That was the most hackling I've ever done. Is I
just told him the price I wanted to pay and
didn't budge off it.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
That's hangling, That is hacklic. Yeah, but I wasn't gonna go. Oh,
then I say sixty percent lower than what I actually wanted.
Then I meet him back at forty and I'm not
doing all that shit.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah. Yeah, Well, my mate John said to one text.
He goes, he goes, you gotta weed him out with
the price. He goes twenty seven dollars thirty two cents,
And he goes, what and he goes twenty seven dollars
thirty two cents to get up to conto me? And
he goes thirty two cents. He is no, twenty seven
dollars thirty two cents, And the guy goes, why thirty
(03:47):
two cents. He goes, of course, that's not that's what
he goes. Is that what it cost to get an uber?
John goes, No, that's just that's just a price that
I'm offering you. And and the guy's like, m he
started thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
How am I going to charge with thirty two cents?
I have to round that.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
He goes, he got a weird, weird amount.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
That's a good point. That's a good point. It's like
when we do interviews, we always try and make the
first question weird to stop people from just getting stuck,
because otherwise he's on the front foot and corner. Yeah, yeah,
and the and the and the interviews. Yeah, if you
ask some boring questions, how's the game for you?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
You boys played good ladies in the kitchen. But if
you go does Roger tuss she have small feet? Then
they hold on. Yeah, yeah, what do you mean I've
never thought about to sleep before? Yeah, yeah, we haggled
with it. The guy once with the Grand ol Opry
and uh, Nashville. In Nashville, it is, it's quite far
(04:44):
out of town, and so there's a big queue for
ubers and there was a guy standing there and he's
just like, made, I'll drive a taxi. I'll drive you.
I'll drive you home for list than whatever. The uberus
who's just standing in the queue for the thing. I
was like, there's nothing to mark him out as a
taxi driver or anything. He goes, what's your uber telling you?
And I showed him and it was like sixty bucks
(05:05):
or something. He's like fifty bucks. I'll get you back
in town right now. And I look at Jeff and
she looked at me and I was like, we're gonna
roll the dust on this one here, Jeff, the last thing.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
We're gonna do that.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yes, but she looked at me in a way of like,
look up to you. If we had to do this,
we'll do this. And if we get you know, shot,
we get murdered, we get murdered. We've had a great holiday,
you know, she'll get murdered with a diamond rag on effigures.
She was happy enough, and we get in a car
and basically the first thing he said, oh, where are
you guys from Sydney Zealand? And he had an excente,
(05:39):
So where are you from? And he goes, I'm from
i Raq. I was like, oh, how do you end
up in America from Iraq? He's like, Oh, there's actually
a massive expert population in Nashville and they all, I
don't know, like worked with the.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
American melodis interpreters and stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah. Probably, Yeah, then move moved over to America. But
his wife hadn't been to come with him because she
didn't work with him.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I've read articles about these guys, yeah, and there's heaps
of them.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
And he was going on about how.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
They were promised all these things if they worked with
the military, and then they worked with the military and
basically risked their lives working for these guys, and they
were they were threatened by their own communities, like how
do you work for these guys? Guys are invaders and
they're like, and the invaders were invaders. Being Americans, We're like,
don't worry, we'll look after you and we'll take it.
And then they didn't.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
So and I think his thing was he didn't have
any kids, but he has a wife, so I think
they were like, well, we don't recognize your marriage and
we don't really care.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
You know. And it was brutal and nicol and dimed
a whole lot of these people.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
He was starting to spin out about it too. So
we're now sitting in this fucking car, this Iraqi gentleman,
who is fucking doom spying.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You've you've brought us, You've brought up the PTSD. I did.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
I did, And then I started asking quick because I
was just trying to be nice.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
But by then I started, yes, spiraling, we're counseling him
further betther than his wife rung. And at least when
the wife rung, and you could hear a woman on
the other side, and they were having a heated discussion
and it was, Okay, the sky is legit whatever. Whatever
he's down on us, I think is true. Doesn't mean
he's probably not going to kill us.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
But he ended up in Nashville.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
He ended up in Nashville. He said, there's a massive
xpect community there and they He's like, but the problem
is it brought on the same music. They brought all
the same bullshit with the boy can Dolly parton sick now? Yeah?
The Iraqi Yeah there dramas he said, they brought over
(07:39):
with them, and so how do you leave all that behind?
And he's like, well, the only people that he's got
to hang out with the other Iraqis.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
And I was driving on Auckland's Northern Motorway one day
and a rather intense looking gentleman in the sports car
zoomed past me and I thought, what's this guy's fucking problem?
And I realized it's Iraqi related? Check I really, I realized, Well,
his number plate was Saddam. He was no, his number
(08:08):
plate was Saddam, and he had a bumper sticker that
said that had the Iraqi flag and it said Iraq
Homeland forever.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I was like, he's still sucking deep yea, so he yes,
he was literally swerving in his in his mind.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So do you you know talking to the guy.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
No, I didn't get past. I put the road rage
in the pocket that day.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I wondered about that. Well, you know how they they
sense number plates and stuff on the ways. You're allowed
to get to put them on. One.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Couldn't put that off?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
No, you couldn't.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Couldn't put that off?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Well, couldn't you? No, I don't think so you can
put probably.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
In your family?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Have you ever met it off? Are there any adults
around in Germany's not so popular any money?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Your grandad killed one? My No, no, mine mine, mine
did fucking everyone's grandad reckons they killed out there.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Oh headlo, no actual headlight.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Oh you're a different one.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
But just some Nazis, yeah, and some Italians and all
sorts of people. We wouldn't really talk about it. But
I was cleaning out of stuff over the weekend my
parents again, Oh my god, and cleaning out a box,
and I came across a box that my dad had
kept from when my he's my great uncle, but basically
my granddad. He when he died, my dad obviously went
(09:32):
through his stuff and just kept his stuff, and he
kept his pipe like he used to smoke a pipe.
Of all the things that you keep, he keeps someone
his pipe because my dad was always complaining about my
great uncle uncle Noug. We called him Nug's pipe, and
because he just smoked that thing wherever the hell he
wanted to, and my parents were non smokers. Yeah and that,
(09:55):
and he just smoked that count inside outside and.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Then he kept it.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I was like, it really bought because when I remember
this guy was really the smell of pipes. I love
the smell of pipes. Mind.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
You've got my great uncle Andy's hip flask that I
like to think was in the war. He was in
the war, but I don't know if that hip flask
give was. He probably bought it when.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
He got back, but it probably was.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
In my mind it was, it looks like it was
in the war. And one day when I was working
on a farm, we were tasked with cleaning out one
of these sheds and we found a gas mask. Oh,
and we turned it into a bomb.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
You got to do that, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
The problem was that goes into your eyes because the
mask that took a whole face and.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Get a smoky eye. My granddad, granddad, great uncle, rose
through the ranks, ended up as a major, and he
accepted the surrender at Trieste. And when you accept so
he turned up at the thing with the with the
meeting with the generals and all that sort of stuff,
and part of it was he got the surrender from
the Italian general and when he handed them the surrender,
(11:04):
he also handed him the keys to his car and
the number of a countess who was operate like living
in the in that area. The Italian countess.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I spot as a gesture of like, hey, this is
for real. There you go, here's my car. Why would
I give you my car?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And here's the number of this woman that you might
want to go and have a chat with.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
You might want to see what I might want.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
To go and see him. And he came back, he's
we've got these amazing German I may have told you
this before you boat binoculars, Nazi Nazi binoculars auto focus
nineteen bloody forties, like and so we can get the
and they're amazing. They're like they've got incredible zoom on them.
And so we used to have these Nazi. These Nazi
(11:44):
I've still got them binoculars and they were auto focused
in the eight this is early eighties. I remember we
had them and there were those things auto focused way
before the auto for us. Wow, you buy them?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Do you ever take them over to Devenport and just
treat them to looking at an enemy ship? There was
a slack piece of cat for old times sakes there.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
On Nazis there had some bloody good technology.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Turns out, speaking of slickpieces of cats, we talked to
Jack tay Ah.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
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Speaker 2 (12:24):
Jack Tame, Welcome to the podcast. It's so good to
see you, guys, So good to see you. You've got
a new show coming up tonight you Me and Ozzie.
It's on at the fantastic time of eight forty p
Such a good time. It's having the common junction, the
eight forty common junction.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
That's where they get them. Well, what's it about? I
feel like everybody I know My family lives in Australia,
we've had I would say two, if not three people
from this office moved to Australia in the last two years.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
I'm trying to move there. What's going on? I mean, honestly,
that's kind of it. So, I mean, if you strip
it back and at a basic economic level, it's pretty straightforward.
So we kind of did the numbers and said we
wanted to balance the trade offs, like what do you
get from moving to Australia, what do you risk and
what do you definitely give up? And so if you
move on average, you definitely earn more money in Australia. Right,
(13:15):
cost of living in Australia, though surprisingly high, is some
industries don't do as well. There are definitely growing numbers
in New Zealanders who are finding themselves on the bones
of their arts in Australian. She went over there and
we filmed with this woman who runs a kind of
community center that helps people who are down on their luck,
and she said that eighty to ninety percent of the
people that they're giving food parcels to and they're giving
emergency grants to fly home to on New Zealand, which
(13:38):
is really surprised. So you've actually got to be organized.
You can't just kind of upsticks and move over tomorrow.
You've got to be a bit more thoughtful than that.
And then the other thing is the stuff you give up,
and people often tend to underestimate it because you think
the money's so good, But it's the stuff that's harder
to measure and base statistics. So it's the community, the
connections they're having, your village, the family, just little things.
(14:00):
I was talking to him mate the other day who's
lived over there for fifteen years, and he said he
just fantasizes about his kids being able to go down
the road and have a play date with their cousins
and they can't do that, right, You.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Can't do that in Australia.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Or the cousins.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Have a playdate with some other people's.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Names, you can. I mean, it's just a bit of it's.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Walking in a park, walking in a park with long
grasp without shoes on.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Playing backyard cricket, hitting a ball under the house and
going to get it. You can't do that in Australia.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Being able to understand birds and the sounds and knowing
which ones are which that's true.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Also that that's a big one for me. Actually top lies.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
My siblings have Australian accents and that is a worrying thing.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Is that greating for you?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Very greating? Yeah, my sister had a dance class the
other day.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
No you didn't.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Yeah, I know, you didn't wash your mouth. It's a
punish Yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Is not freezing your tits off on the water.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, you're giving that up for sure.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
You give that up definitely when you move away from
New Zealand lost.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Is the part of it that, like, you know, the
people that you say eighty ninety percent of those people
getting those parcels and the blah, were they also the
people were they probably on the bones of their ass
over here too, and then they went over there.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Well a part of the problem is that they have
family in Australia who say, come on over right, and
you think what could go what could possibly go wrong?
And then you go over to Australia and then you
have a fight with your family because you haven't got
a job after a month or whatever, and then you're
on the couch and then all of a sudden, you
guys have a massive blow up and the kind of
support network that you thought was there isn't there. Anymore,
(15:31):
and then all of a sudden you find you've gone
through your savings.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, and you can't you can't get back to New
Zealand at that because you've got money.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Point Yeah. Yeah, so that does it does actually happen,
and even little things. I mean, this is probably a
fixing you guys more than me. But once you get
to a certain level of earning, the tax is quite
a lot higher. Jack, Yeah, No, I mean like there are
the stuff like that housing way more expensive in Australia, Ye,
way more so.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So what is the what is it? What are the
text right in Australia?
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Good questions on? Well, No, it's confusing because the first
I think eighteen grand that you get is tax free. Well,
but then once you earn more than two hundred and thirty,
you're on the whole text forty five as the top
tech I Jerry's asking for a friend of these, Yeah,
is it forty five?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Forty five?
Speaker 5 (16:17):
I feel like it might even be higher, But I
got to say.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
That to me. I think I've talked to you about
this before, Jane at eighteen thousand texts free? Yeah, why
do we not do that? That totally makes sense to me,
Like why should you be text If you're a kid,
for example, and you're just out there earning money on
your first job and you basically only earn eighteen thousand
and you get text and you don't get a refund, I.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Think, yeah, this is one of the big things for me.
I reckon. We've just lost like teens of not hundreds
of thousands of people over the last few years, right,
So the surge that we've had over the last few
years isn't quite our all time high, but it's near
our all time high. And so I think the question
now is how do you bring people back? What are
the things that we can do to actually try and
get some of those people in a few years to go, Yeah,
(17:00):
you know, I've had a good experience, but I'm going
to come back home, and something like that, you can
imagine might be a little bit of an incentive that
could work because I've.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Got I mean, I've got so much family that lived
over there and have moved over there. In fact, I
did it myself, and everybody thinks I'm going to go
over there, I'll do two years in the minds and
then I'll come back and I'll be set up.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Last two years in a mind.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I haven't seen anyone do it. I've not seen anyone
pull it off. Nobody has ever gone over there because
there's the you know, there's the lifestyle creep that tends
to fill up that the extra money that you're making.
Then there's you just get stuck over there because it
gets too good. You adapt to the lifestyle. And I
don't know anyone who's done that and come back.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
I mean we spoke to a fi fo they call them,
so a woman who moved over and it's flying fly out. Yeah,
she started driving the big trucks in the mines and
so she does two weeks on, two weeks off. But
she said she's in Bally four times a year and
it's the first time in her life she's had financial independence.
She said, it's the first time she's ever not had
to worry about a bill or something like that. But
(17:59):
it does get addictive, and like she said, it's super isolating.
That's the thing, especially in those kind of jobs.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Everything I've experienced. My family live in Calguley. So when
I finished school and I was like, what am I doing,
I'm just like working in cheering Shit's Dad's like, come
over and get in the minds and make a bit
of money, eat your first paycheck. You're like, holy shit,
I am getting our phone, I'm getting a play station,
a lappie. Yeah. Yeah. Now all of a sudden you're
so over leveraged because you're like, fuck it, I'll get
(18:27):
the hundred thousand dollars ye time. You're working the rest
of the year to pay that off. And it's like,
this is what I mean. I don't know anyone who's
gone over there and been able to pull it off.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
With they So how many people come back then, so
you're saying that very few people come back. How many
Australians come to New Zealand relatively few?
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Right, although yeah, think of you know, strangely both so,
my mum is one of two born and raised in Adelaide,
and both my mum and her auntie independently moved to
New Zealand. In fact, I would actually been born in
Australia except that when my parents went traveling on their oe,
they finished backpacking through South America and they were like,
(19:04):
where are we going to move to New Zealand or
Australia And my dad was like very happy to live
in Australia. That's where they'd met. They've been living in
Sydney together, and then they looked at the different options
for jobs and stuff. And at the time, we were
paying people to train to be teachers, and so Mum said, well,
if we go back to New Zealand, I can go
to teachers college and we'll have a bit of money. Yeah,
as opposed to in Australia where they didn't have that.
(19:24):
And that's the sole difference. That's why I'm born here
not there.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah, right, Okay, So that was the incentive back then.
The wage gap still would have been a bit then
Ozzie would have got paid more, you would think as
part of the taxing just a way wealthier country. Obviously
the natural resources, but then as population a big part
of it. Because we've got a small population, we can't
really get ahead in the ways that they can.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
I mean, there are smaller countries that do well, but
when you can just dig wealth out of the ground,
it does make a difference. And I mean we've had
this kind of productivity problem for a long time now.
So our gd P per capital, like if you look
at the kind of wealth creation per capital, we love
per capital, we do.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
We love it but we don't do so we've been
on the way down.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
We were on the way down for a while.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
We used to be insanely high though back in the
nineteen fifties and sixties. You see, I think we were
the third.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
There was a war boom, There was a boom and
that pot you did right.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Golden times and anybody had a job basically for the
rest of their life. It's weird, how but it's just
not the case at all anymore, is it? Well? Where
it was it our fault? Was it just the way
that the world was going? Also, is it possible to
even reverse it from a you know, in terms of
what the government can do? Can the government actually do anything?
(20:40):
All people? Oh? The other part, Jack, you'll know this,
how many people are going across to Austraa. Is there
a lot like a graph which shows how well our
economies are going against each other compared to what the
migration is to Australia, Like, for example.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
The easy one, that one where there's really obvious correlation
is unemployment. So every time unemployment goes up here there's
a bag of about a year or two and then
a very similar line for the number of people going
to Australia. So at the moment, unemployment in New Zealand's
five point three, unemployment Australia's four point three. And so
you look at that and you're like, well, no, wonder right,
Like their post COVID years have been way better than
(21:14):
our post COVID.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Years, better than anyone.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Yeah, they've kind of cry again, was it fing we
you can dig stuff out of the ground. It makes
a hell of a difference. And so yeah, so's it's
pretty standard that you would say, I mean, COVID was
a bit of an anomaly because you had the built
up demand as well. You had all of these kids
who'd been stuck in New Zealand for a couple of years,
who couldn't really travel, and then all of a sudden
you open the gates. So there was always going to
(21:37):
be a bit of a surge then. But if you
look over time, especially in the last twenty five years,
the kind of surges we've had in unemployment have been
matched about a year later by a surge in people
going to Australia. You can kind of map it right
across and you know, if unemployment here is five point
three right now, imagine what would have happened in New Zealand,
if we didn't have people going to Australia, if we
(21:58):
hadn't lost a couple hundred thousand people over the last employment,
unemployment might be in a way, there is a way
to look at it and go like.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, but are we sure that all of those people
that move were not didn't have jobs? Or do our
best and brightest go to Australia or do our not
very good that can't get jobs go to Australia.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Probably a bit of both, But I suppose feel well,
They're big concern is that it's young people. It's just
massively EXCWS eighteen to thirty five. Is the that that's
the demographic's moving. It's actually it's nuts. We've got a
graph of it tonight that kind of breaks it down
by demographs. But then if you look at the jobs
they're going into Australia, it's certainly true that a lot
(22:38):
of the jobs that kiwis are doing are like service jobs,
really practical jobs, trades minds, all that kind of jobs.
It's not necessary. I mean, there are obviously keys in
the high level jobs, but yeah, it's that they're they're
very much well represented in the practical ones.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
So then what do we do it. Is it a
problem that's definitely?
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Is it a problem or not? Or is it just
always been happening? And because that's what the government say,
the government goes this has always been happening always.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I mean, it's true that it's always been happening. I
think it's a problem if you can't stem the tide.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Because there's another part of it, you know, and talk
about like bringing immigration into counterbalance there. But a problem
there is that a lot of people are using New
Zealand as a stepping stone to get over to Australia.
So a lot of the immigration that's coming in is
going we'll do two years there.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
It's true that they has traditionally been a path, although
you've got to kind of get citizenship first, which means
you're spending at the time here, you're putting down putting
down roots and X. It's a bit harder than just
it is a bit harder than just get getting here
and being here for six months and then going across.
But is it a problem made I mean, I would
say that it's a problem if you are spending a
lot of resources, like and strictly you canong terms. If
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you're spending a lot of resources investing in your people
and educating them in their healthcare and all of that,
and then in their prime productive years they are all
going off to make a buck overseas instead, and that
means that they're not kind of contributing to the kind
of and the taspace and everything else. Then that is
going to be a problem over time. And then there's
the cultural stuff, like there are one hundred and seventy
(24:06):
thousand marti in Australia, so one and six marty on
the planet lives in Australia.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
How many in the South Island?
Speaker 5 (24:13):
I mean, that's actually a very good good God.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I've always said there's more Maori's on the Gold Coast
than there on the South Island.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Certainly, I'm not do you know, honestly, do you remember
that show the GC.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Do you remember it's super interesting Mary do if Mary
do bloody well in Australia. Yeah, like really association not
as socioeconomically particularly well and with the ladies interesting and
with the ladies interesting theories around that too. That sometimes
there's a lot of skate shackles of farno, like you
can actually go across in and you can. You can
(24:43):
do what you want. You don't have to. You're not
being judged, you're not there's no expectation on you.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
That being said, I mean there are different Like we
spoke to quite a few Malori over there, some of
whom were like, yeah, it's amazing, I'm earning more and
more prosperous, absolutely love it here. Others who fit said
they honestly felt guilty. They felt guilty about having their
kids marty kids over there who can't who have no
connection to no connection to the language, anything else like that.
(25:11):
And they said they hear their kids say dance class
and they're like, oh man, there's something in the kind
of you know, like that burns.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
You know. Jack Whe's saying it was one hundred and
seventy thousand Mary and Australia, one hundred and forty thousand
in the South Island, so outnumber seventeen to fourteen.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
I mean, I can shut up because I'm one of
the South live in the North Island. Is that is
a pretty amazing stance, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Here's the tax rates.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Forty five is the top a.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Eighteen grand up to eighteen grand nothing. Yeah, we've got
to do that sixteen percent from eighteen thousand to oh
my computer, just enough, that's eighteen thousand to forty five thousand.
I mean, so you're paying sixteen percent for the twenty
thousand from eighteen to forty five you paid nothing on
the wow, okay, and then twenty percent from forty five
(26:01):
to one thirty five. Yeah, and then thirty seven percent,
So it starts to crank up there from one thirty
five and then up into Jack Taine territory forty five
percent and above on one ninety and above, so forty there,
but then it's are more better to be honest.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Well, but then and then so they don't have universal
super so they don't have universal pensions, so not even
gets a pension. Only about forty percent of people get
a pension of forty two or something like that. But
the minimum employer contribution is twelve percent. So if you're
ruining one hundred ninety grand, but you're getting text at
forty five over one hundred and ninety grand, but your
employees putting in twelve percent, you are going to have
a very good retirement.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, okay, So that's interesting. So they so you've got
a put No, you don't have to.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
They have to put on twelve percent. You don't You
could put in nothing and they can put a twelve percent.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Yeah, it's compulsory retirement savings. So they so the employer
has to do it. Yes, but then they don't have
a universal pingion.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
But but they But what it means is they've got
competitive superannuation companies. So at the moment where you kind
of just all put it in Kelly saving, don't think
about it, but over there they will actively pitch you
join this super joint, this super ads for like, get
your money out. I'm still trying to get money out
of my superannuation over and Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
The thing is that that superannuation scheme that they've got
been going for a long time, and we screwed it
up in the seventies. We went back and forth. Yeah,
because there's a bit of a bit of vote jiggery
pokery from the muldoone government and seventy five that put
us back miles and miles and miles. And then that
was a stupid idea.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
So what's the answer then, Jack, how do we how
do we keep everyone here? Do we have to churn
in at eight forty or.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Virus.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
I mean I just think you you just have the
West Coast. I mean yeah, I think you've got to
bring people back and you've got to have policies that
are that make young people feel like they've got a
more prosperous life.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Do you reckon as well, Jee that New Zealand. I'd
like to get your opinion on this. Do you reckon
New Zealand? Do you reckon we focus on young people
in New Zealand like austra Like, I always think that
Australia are really good at celebrating the young people, and
I reckon in New.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Zealand we focus on the boomers.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
We were getting better at it maybe a little bit maybe,
but I always feel like we're.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
An old Australia feels like a young country.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
It does. They love young people and they love celebrating
the success of young people and it's a youthful country where.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
They're out there doing stuff, whereas over here it's like
it'll be a boomers name. You're not allowed to do that,
it's too loud. When Needing Park has a concept, don't
do that.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Look at that day. It's a great example. We both
celebrate Anzact Day. Both New Zealanders and Australians were there
in Gallipoli. We were both fighting. Australia considers that one
of their important days of nation hut. That's the day
when Australians turned into Australians. It's a huge celebration on Australia.
People go to pubs, they get it. It's a different
type of a vibe here. We look back and we
(28:49):
go and we stand around in the dark and we
play a pretty somber song and we say, lest we
forget you know, these people that made the sacrifice. But
then and then we go, what about now? How does
it relate to what we're doing now? We have no
relation to the present.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
Yeah, that's a very good, very astute point. I just
think Australians are better at celebrating full stop. They're better
at I mean, they're kind of I mean, it's the
same stuff that makes us think that they're kind of
arrogant and headstrong, and you know that there are other
qualities where that might not seem as attractive. But I
think you have hit on something and I think they
(29:22):
do feel like they're a bit more celebratory of their
nation and culture.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
We all have problems. New Zealand has its problems. Australia
has its problems. Their problems are very different than our problems.
We have different cultural issues that they have cultural issues,
They're very different to our cultural issues. The things that
bring them together are different than the things that bring
us together. We're very different in that way. New Zealand
is Australians. Yet we are similar in a funny way.
(29:49):
But I feel like our problems are quite different.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
I think so too. I also think, you know, there
are components of our shared history, as in New Zealand
shared history between you know, Mardy and the Crown versus
indigenous Australians in the round, Like, it's a pretty different
I mean that is that it's about as about as
(30:14):
distinct as it gets out. So there is stuff like
that where you think, wow, no brainer is to where
I'd rather be what country I'd rather be associated with?
But yeah, I mean it's a it's you know, I mean,
I don't know about you guys. I think about a lot.
I think about if I was at a different stat
in life. Yeah, yeah, I think that. I think there's
a lot of the things.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
How do we get your show? You me and Aussie
which is tonight at eight forty pm and this show,
The Darky Breakfast on air over in Australia.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Well that's up. Maybe we need to we need another branch,
that's what we need. I mean, So at the end
of the show tonight, is any giveaways you're giving away
contus are coming in.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
No, no, no. But what we're doing is we've got
we've got a whole stack. Like see, like three dozen
Kiwis who are considering going more likely to go than not.
And so we're going to have a vote. We're gonna
we're going to kind of put everything to them and
then at the end see if it's changed their minds.
Go to a vote and see if you know, if
some of them are feeling more aggressive about leaving and
if some are going to stay.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And we have to, I mean, we like the viewers
decide whether they go or not.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Yeah, exactly push them off the plane later.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, Hey Jack, thanks for coming in. You and Me
and Ozzie is tonight eight forty pm tv Z one
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Speaker 1 (31:31):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Cheers in Cuda this morning, fellas Hey and cheers. We
killed cheers.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Cheers. That's a cheers. Oh that's good. It's the sound
of a black coffee that's way too fucking hot to
drink for me.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
I just had a very very brief because I felt
like it was the radio show when you said fucking
too hot.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I just had a little Oh. I sworn, he's sworn.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
He's sworn.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Within ten seconds of broadcast, chill out, gun, the man
is the man is sworn? A producer rudor, did you
sleep last night in the oh?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yes, studio?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Against sleep is an interesting term. I felt like I
didn't sleep well. I felt like it was too hot.
I was running too hot under my duvet last night.
Did you bring a dovet my do vet? In my
sleep mask? Sleep mask felt.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Very heavy sleep mask two thousand.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yeah, I'm a little bit hungover, a a little only
a little though.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
You look like me got a lot of sleep and
you look like you can see me under a really
hot duve that doesn't.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Breathe and at a b studio on a child's single
fold up home matress.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, how did you get the child? I was gonna
say a child's single fold out matress?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, when you could find a power uther most weekends.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, there was a lot of discussion last night. We
went to look behind the kid discussing. We went to
split ends last night and it started quite late, nine
o'clock for a Sunday night. It was a school night.
And we got out. I got home. I got out
of there about eleven thirty arrived time.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Hard to get out of Spark, difficult to get out
of sparks, hard to get out of Spark.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
We walked, Me and my friend John walked miles.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, we walked to TV and Zdenough, Holy shit, you
walked to TV.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
We walked to TVs. There. We wanted to get a
bit of distance on that Spark and also that surge
pricing switch tanking. Yeah, thirty seven bucks to get from
the We did a bit of negotiation with some of
the taxi drivers because we make John's been a bit
of time and India want.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Oh yeah, so he just walked up and said, how
about slash your fucking tires right now?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
He just loves to haggle Wow, he loves it.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
He can't haggle, man, I can't and I can't. I
can't even be there when someone else's down for the radio.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, a good Oneing a taxi. He's like these helers.
He's like these season, these season wrapping people off along here.
You know this season they just checked the TEXTI sign
on their car and they're trying to wrap you off.
He goes, said, we can hagel a ride along here.
I'm like, let's let's not worry about that. He guys,
come on, it's fun, so fun. Well, he loves agle.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I can't watch it.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
That's difficult.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
It was so all good. I did it once in
Bali and that was for these for these glasses, and
I was like twenty bucks and the guy's like, nah,
we can do it. And I was like, I'm not
paying more twenty bucks to this rip off fucking vasachis
or whatever they were. And then he's like one more
price by that, one more prices like nap, and I
put them back on the thing. He goes, okay, twenty twenty.
(03:11):
That was the most hackling I've ever done. Is I
just told him the price I wanted to pay and
didn't budge off it.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
That's hangling, That is hacklic. Yeah, but I wasn't gonna go. Oh,
then I say sixty percent lower than what I actually wanted.
Then I meet him back at forty and I'm not
doing all that shit.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah. Yeah, Well, my mate John said to one text.
He goes, he goes, you gotta weed him out with
the price. He goes twenty seven dollars thirty two cents,
And he goes, what and he goes twenty seven dollars
thirty two cents to get up to conto me? And
he goes thirty two cents. He is no, twenty seven
dollars thirty two cents, And the guy goes, why thirty
(03:47):
two cents. He goes, of course, that's not that's what
he goes. Is that what it cost to get an uber?
John goes, No, that's just that's just a price that
I'm offering you. And and the guy's like, m he
started thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
How am I going to charge with thirty two cents?
I have to round that.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
He goes, he got a weird, weird amount.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
That's a good point. That's a good point. It's like
when we do interviews, we always try and make the
first question weird to stop people from just getting stuck,
because otherwise he's on the front foot and corner. Yeah, yeah,
and the and the and the interviews. Yeah, if you
ask some boring questions, how's the game for you?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
You boys played good ladies in the kitchen. But if
you go does Roger tuss she have small feet? Then
they hold on. Yeah, yeah, what do you mean I've
never thought about to sleep before? Yeah, yeah, we haggled
with it. The guy once with the Grand ol Opry
and uh, Nashville. In Nashville, it is, it's quite far
(04:44):
out of town, and so there's a big queue for
ubers and there was a guy standing there and he's
just like, made, I'll drive a taxi. I'll drive you.
I'll drive you home for list than whatever. The uberus
who's just standing in the queue for the thing. I
was like, there's nothing to mark him out as a
taxi driver or anything. He goes, what's your uber telling you?
And I showed him and it was like sixty bucks
(05:05):
or something. He's like fifty bucks. I'll get you back
in town right now. And I look at Jeff and
she looked at me and I was like, we're gonna
roll the dust on this one here, Jeff, the last thing.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
We're gonna do that.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yes, but she looked at me in a way of like,
look up to you. If we had to do this,
we'll do this. And if we get you know, shot,
we get murdered, we get murdered. We've had a great holiday,
you know, she'll get murdered with a diamond rag on effigures.
She was happy enough, and we get in a car
and basically the first thing he said, oh, where are
you guys from Sydney Zealand? And he had an excente,
(05:39):
So where are you from? And he goes, I'm from
i Raq. I was like, oh, how do you end
up in America from Iraq? He's like, Oh, there's actually
a massive expert population in Nashville and they all, I
don't know, like worked with the.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
American melodis interpreters and stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah. Probably, Yeah, then move moved over to America. But
his wife hadn't been to come with him because she
didn't work with him.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I've read articles about these guys, yeah, and there's heaps
of them.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
And he was going on about how.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
They were promised all these things if they worked with
the military, and then they worked with the military and
basically risked their lives working for these guys, and they
were they were threatened by their own communities, like how
do you work for these guys? Guys are invaders and
they're like, and the invaders were invaders. Being Americans, We're like,
don't worry, we'll look after you and we'll take it.
And then they didn't.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
So and I think his thing was he didn't have
any kids, but he has a wife, so I think
they were like, well, we don't recognize your marriage and
we don't really care.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
You know. And it was brutal and nicol and dimed
a whole lot of these people.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
He was starting to spin out about it too. So
we're now sitting in this fucking car, this Iraqi gentleman,
who is fucking doom spying.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You've you've brought us, You've brought up the PTSD. I did.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
I did, And then I started asking quick because I
was just trying to be nice.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
But by then I started, yes, spiraling, we're counseling him
further betther than his wife rung. And at least when
the wife rung, and you could hear a woman on
the other side, and they were having a heated discussion
and it was, Okay, the sky is legit whatever. Whatever
he's down on us, I think is true. Doesn't mean
he's probably not going to kill us.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
But he ended up in Nashville.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
He ended up in Nashville. He said, there's a massive
xpect community there and they He's like, but the problem
is it brought on the same music. They brought all
the same bullshit with the boy can Dolly parton sick now? Yeah?
The Iraqi Yeah there dramas he said, they brought over
(07:39):
with them, and so how do you leave all that behind?
And he's like, well, the only people that he's got
to hang out with the other Iraqis.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
And I was driving on Auckland's Northern Motorway one day
and a rather intense looking gentleman in the sports car
zoomed past me and I thought, what's this guy's fucking problem?
And I realized it's Iraqi related? Check I really, I realized, Well,
his number plate was Saddam. He was no, his number
(08:08):
plate was Saddam, and he had a bumper sticker that
said that had the Iraqi flag and it said Iraq
Homeland forever.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I was like, he's still sucking deep yea, so he yes,
he was literally swerving in his in his mind.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So do you you know talking to the guy.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
No, I didn't get past. I put the road rage
in the pocket that day.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I wondered about that. Well, you know how they they
sense number plates and stuff on the ways. You're allowed
to get to put them on. One.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Couldn't put that off?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
No, you couldn't.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Couldn't put that off?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Well, couldn't you? No, I don't think so you can
put probably.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
In your family?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Have you ever met it off? Are there any adults
around in Germany's not so popular any money?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Your grandad killed one? My No, no, mine mine, mine
did fucking everyone's grandad reckons they killed out there.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Oh headlo, no actual headlight.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Oh you're a different one.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
But just some Nazis, yeah, and some Italians and all
sorts of people. We wouldn't really talk about it. But
I was cleaning out of stuff over the weekend my
parents again, Oh my god, and cleaning out a box,
and I came across a box that my dad had
kept from when my he's my great uncle, but basically
my granddad. He when he died, my dad obviously went
(09:32):
through his stuff and just kept his stuff, and he
kept his pipe like he used to smoke a pipe.
Of all the things that you keep, he keeps someone
his pipe because my dad was always complaining about my
great uncle uncle Noug. We called him Nug's pipe, and
because he just smoked that thing wherever the hell he
wanted to, and my parents were non smokers. Yeah and that,
(09:55):
and he just smoked that count inside outside and.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Then he kept it.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I was like, it really bought because when I remember
this guy was really the smell of pipes. I love
the smell of pipes. Mind.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
You've got my great uncle Andy's hip flask that I
like to think was in the war. He was in
the war, but I don't know if that hip flask
give was. He probably bought it when.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
He got back, but it probably was.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
In my mind it was, it looks like it was
in the war. And one day when I was working
on a farm, we were tasked with cleaning out one
of these sheds and we found a gas mask. Oh,
and we turned it into a bomb.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
You got to do that, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
The problem was that goes into your eyes because the
mask that took a whole face and.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Get a smoky eye. My granddad, granddad, great uncle, rose
through the ranks, ended up as a major, and he
accepted the surrender at Trieste. And when you accept so
he turned up at the thing with the with the
meeting with the generals and all that sort of stuff,
and part of it was he got the surrender from
the Italian general and when he handed them the surrender,
(11:04):
he also handed him the keys to his car and
the number of a countess who was operate like living
in the in that area. The Italian countess.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I spot as a gesture of like, hey, this is
for real. There you go, here's my car. Why would
I give you my car?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And here's the number of this woman that you might
want to go and have a chat with.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
You might want to see what I might want.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
To go and see him. And he came back, he's
we've got these amazing German I may have told you
this before you boat binoculars, Nazi Nazi binoculars auto focus
nineteen bloody forties, like and so we can get the
and they're amazing. They're like they've got incredible zoom on them.
And so we used to have these Nazi. These Nazi
(11:44):
I've still got them binoculars and they were auto focused
in the eight this is early eighties. I remember we
had them and there were those things auto focused way
before the auto for us. Wow, you buy them?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Do you ever take them over to Devenport and just
treat them to looking at an enemy ship? There was
a slack piece of cat for old times sakes there.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
On Nazis there had some bloody good technology.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Turns out, speaking of slickpieces of cats, we talked to
Jack tay Ah.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
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Speaker 2 (12:24):
Jack Tame, Welcome to the podcast. It's so good to
see you, guys, So good to see you. You've got
a new show coming up tonight you Me and Ozzie.
It's on at the fantastic time of eight forty p
Such a good time. It's having the common junction, the
eight forty common junction.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
That's where they get them. Well, what's it about? I
feel like everybody I know My family lives in Australia,
we've had I would say two, if not three people
from this office moved to Australia in the last two years.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
I'm trying to move there. What's going on? I mean, honestly,
that's kind of it. So, I mean, if you strip
it back and at a basic economic level, it's pretty straightforward.
So we kind of did the numbers and said we
wanted to balance the trade offs, like what do you
get from moving to Australia, what do you risk and
what do you definitely give up? And so if you
move on average, you definitely earn more money in Australia. Right,
(13:15):
cost of living in Australia, though surprisingly high, is some
industries don't do as well. There are definitely growing numbers
in New Zealanders who are finding themselves on the bones
of their arts in Australian. She went over there and
we filmed with this woman who runs a kind of
community center that helps people who are down on their luck,
and she said that eighty to ninety percent of the
people that they're giving food parcels to and they're giving
emergency grants to fly home to on New Zealand, which
(13:38):
is really surprised. So you've actually got to be organized.
You can't just kind of upsticks and move over tomorrow.
You've got to be a bit more thoughtful than that.
And then the other thing is the stuff you give up,
and people often tend to underestimate it because you think
the money's so good, But it's the stuff that's harder
to measure and base statistics. So it's the community, the
connections they're having, your village, the family, just little things.
(14:00):
I was talking to him mate the other day who's
lived over there for fifteen years, and he said he
just fantasizes about his kids being able to go down
the road and have a play date with their cousins
and they can't do that, right, You.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Can't do that in Australia.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Or the cousins.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Have a playdate with some other people's.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
Names, you can. I mean, it's just a bit of it's.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Walking in a park, walking in a park with long
grasp without shoes on.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Playing backyard cricket, hitting a ball under the house and
going to get it. You can't do that in Australia.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Being able to understand birds and the sounds and knowing
which ones are which that's true.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Also that that's a big one for me. Actually top lies.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
My siblings have Australian accents and that is a worrying thing.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Is that greating for you?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Very greating? Yeah, my sister had a dance class the
other day.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
No you didn't.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Yeah, I know, you didn't wash your mouth. It's a
punish Yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Is not freezing your tits off on the water.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yeah, you're giving that up for sure.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
You give that up definitely when you move away from
New Zealand lost.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Is the part of it that, like, you know, the
people that you say eighty ninety percent of those people
getting those parcels and the blah, were they also the
people were they probably on the bones of their ass
over here too, and then they went over there.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Well a part of the problem is that they have
family in Australia who say, come on over right, and
you think what could go what could possibly go wrong?
And then you go over to Australia and then you
have a fight with your family because you haven't got
a job after a month or whatever, and then you're
on the couch and then all of a sudden, you
guys have a massive blow up and the kind of
support network that you thought was there isn't there. Anymore,
(15:31):
and then all of a sudden you find you've gone
through your savings.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, and you can't you can't get back to New
Zealand at that because you've got money.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Point Yeah. Yeah, so that does it does actually happen,
and even little things. I mean, this is probably a
fixing you guys more than me. But once you get
to a certain level of earning, the tax is quite
a lot higher. Jack, Yeah, No, I mean like there are
the stuff like that housing way more expensive in Australia, Ye,
way more so.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So what is the what is it? What are the
text right in Australia?
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Good questions on? Well, No, it's confusing because the first
I think eighteen grand that you get is tax free. Well,
but then once you earn more than two hundred and thirty,
you're on the whole text forty five as the top
tech I Jerry's asking for a friend of these, Yeah,
is it forty five?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Forty five?
Speaker 5 (16:17):
I feel like it might even be higher, But I
got to say.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
That to me. I think I've talked to you about
this before, Jane at eighteen thousand texts free? Yeah, why
do we not do that? That totally makes sense to me,
Like why should you be text If you're a kid,
for example, and you're just out there earning money on
your first job and you basically only earn eighteen thousand
and you get text and you don't get a refund, I.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Think, yeah, this is one of the big things for me.
I reckon. We've just lost like teens of not hundreds
of thousands of people over the last few years, right,
So the surge that we've had over the last few
years isn't quite our all time high, but it's near
our all time high. And so I think the question
now is how do you bring people back? What are
the things that we can do to actually try and
get some of those people in a few years to go, Yeah,
(17:00):
you know, I've had a good experience, but I'm going
to come back home, and something like that, you can
imagine might be a little bit of an incentive that
could work because I've.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Got I mean, I've got so much family that lived
over there and have moved over there. In fact, I
did it myself, and everybody thinks I'm going to go
over there, I'll do two years in the minds and
then I'll come back and I'll be set up.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Last two years in a mind.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I haven't seen anyone do it. I've not seen anyone
pull it off. Nobody has ever gone over there because
there's the you know, there's the lifestyle creep that tends
to fill up that the extra money that you're making.
Then there's you just get stuck over there because it
gets too good. You adapt to the lifestyle. And I
don't know anyone who's done that and come back.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
I mean we spoke to a fi fo they call them,
so a woman who moved over and it's flying fly out. Yeah,
she started driving the big trucks in the mines and
so she does two weeks on, two weeks off. But
she said she's in Bally four times a year and
it's the first time in her life she's had financial independence.
She said, it's the first time she's ever not had
to worry about a bill or something like that. But
(17:59):
it does get addictive, and like she said, it's super isolating.
That's the thing, especially in those kind of jobs.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Everything I've experienced. My family live in Calguley. So when
I finished school and I was like, what am I doing,
I'm just like working in cheering Shit's Dad's like, come
over and get in the minds and make a bit
of money, eat your first paycheck. You're like, holy shit,
I am getting our phone, I'm getting a play station,
a lappie. Yeah. Yeah. Now all of a sudden you're
so over leveraged because you're like, fuck it, I'll get
(18:27):
the hundred thousand dollars ye time. You're working the rest
of the year to pay that off. And it's like,
this is what I mean. I don't know anyone who's
gone over there and been able to pull it off.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
With they So how many people come back then, so
you're saying that very few people come back. How many
Australians come to New Zealand relatively few?
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Right, although yeah, think of you know, strangely both so,
my mum is one of two born and raised in Adelaide,
and both my mum and her auntie independently moved to
New Zealand. In fact, I would actually been born in
Australia except that when my parents went traveling on their oe,
they finished backpacking through South America and they were like,
(19:04):
where are we going to move to New Zealand or
Australia And my dad was like very happy to live
in Australia. That's where they'd met. They've been living in
Sydney together, and then they looked at the different options
for jobs and stuff. And at the time, we were
paying people to train to be teachers, and so Mum said, well,
if we go back to New Zealand, I can go
to teachers college and we'll have a bit of money. Yeah,
as opposed to in Australia where they didn't have that.
(19:24):
And that's the sole difference. That's why I'm born here
not there.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Yeah, right, Okay, So that was the incentive back then.
The wage gap still would have been a bit then
Ozzie would have got paid more, you would think as
part of the taxing just a way wealthier country. Obviously
the natural resources, but then as population a big part
of it. Because we've got a small population, we can't
really get ahead in the ways that they can.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
I mean, there are smaller countries that do well, but
when you can just dig wealth out of the ground,
it does make a difference. And I mean we've had
this kind of productivity problem for a long time now.
So our gd P per capital, like if you look
at the kind of wealth creation per capital, we love
per capital, we do.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
We love it but we don't do so we've been
on the way down.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
We were on the way down for a while.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
We used to be insanely high though back in the
nineteen fifties and sixties. You see, I think we were
the third.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
There was a war boom, There was a boom and
that pot you did right.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Golden times and anybody had a job basically for the
rest of their life. It's weird, how but it's just
not the case at all anymore, is it? Well? Where
it was it our fault? Was it just the way
that the world was going? Also, is it possible to
even reverse it from a you know, in terms of
what the government can do? Can the government actually do anything?
(20:40):
All people? Oh? The other part, Jack, you'll know this,
how many people are going across to Austraa. Is there
a lot like a graph which shows how well our
economies are going against each other compared to what the
migration is to Australia, Like, for example.
Speaker 5 (20:53):
The easy one, that one where there's really obvious correlation
is unemployment. So every time unemployment goes up here there's
a bag of about a year or two and then
a very similar line for the number of people going
to Australia. So at the moment, unemployment in New Zealand's
five point three, unemployment Australia's four point three. And so
you look at that and you're like, well, no, wonder right,
Like their post COVID years have been way better than
(21:14):
our post COVID.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Years, better than anyone.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Yeah, they've kind of cry again, was it fing we
you can dig stuff out of the ground. It makes
a hell of a difference. And so yeah, so's it's
pretty standard that you would say, I mean, COVID was
a bit of an anomaly because you had the built
up demand as well. You had all of these kids
who'd been stuck in New Zealand for a couple of years,
who couldn't really travel, and then all of a sudden
you open the gates. So there was always going to
(21:37):
be a bit of a surge then. But if you
look over time, especially in the last twenty five years,
the kind of surges we've had in unemployment have been
matched about a year later by a surge in people
going to Australia. You can kind of map it right
across and you know, if unemployment here is five point
three right now, imagine what would have happened in New Zealand,
if we didn't have people going to Australia, if we
(21:58):
hadn't lost a couple hundred thousand people over the last employment,
unemployment might be in a way, there is a way
to look at it and go like.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, but are we sure that all of those people
that move were not didn't have jobs? Or do our
best and brightest go to Australia or do our not
very good that can't get jobs go to Australia.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Probably a bit of both, But I suppose feel well,
They're big concern is that it's young people. It's just
massively EXCWS eighteen to thirty five. Is the that that's
the demographic's moving. It's actually it's nuts. We've got a
graph of it tonight that kind of breaks it down
by demographs. But then if you look at the jobs
they're going into Australia, it's certainly true that a lot
(22:38):
of the jobs that kiwis are doing are like service jobs,
really practical jobs, trades minds, all that kind of jobs.
It's not necessary. I mean, there are obviously keys in
the high level jobs, but yeah, it's that they're they're
very much well represented in the practical ones.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
So then what do we do it. Is it a
problem that's definitely?
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Is it a problem or not? Or is it just
always been happening? And because that's what the government say,
the government goes this has always been happening always.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I mean, it's true that it's always been happening. I
think it's a problem if you can't stem the tide.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Because there's another part of it, you know, and talk
about like bringing immigration into counterbalance there. But a problem
there is that a lot of people are using New
Zealand as a stepping stone to get over to Australia.
So a lot of the immigration that's coming in is
going we'll do two years there.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
It's true that they has traditionally been a path, although
you've got to kind of get citizenship first, which means
you're spending at the time here, you're putting down putting
down roots and X. It's a bit harder than just
it is a bit harder than just get getting here
and being here for six months and then going across.
But is it a problem made I mean, I would
say that it's a problem if you are spending a
lot of resources, like and strictly you canong terms. If
(23:44):
you're spending a lot of resources investing in your people
and educating them in their healthcare and all of that,
and then in their prime productive years they are all
going off to make a buck overseas instead, and that
means that they're not kind of contributing to the kind
of and the taspace and everything else. Then that is
going to be a problem over time. And then there's
the cultural stuff, like there are one hundred and seventy
(24:06):
thousand marti in Australia, so one and six marty on
the planet lives in Australia.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
How many in the South Island?
Speaker 5 (24:13):
I mean, that's actually a very good good God.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I've always said there's more Maori's on the Gold Coast
than there on the South Island.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Certainly, I'm not do you know, honestly, do you remember
that show the GC.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Do you remember it's super interesting Mary do if Mary
do bloody well in Australia. Yeah, like really association not
as socioeconomically particularly well and with the ladies interesting and
with the ladies interesting theories around that too. That sometimes
there's a lot of skate shackles of farno, like you
can actually go across in and you can. You can
(24:43):
do what you want. You don't have to. You're not
being judged, you're not there's no expectation on you.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
That being said, I mean there are different Like we
spoke to quite a few Malori over there, some of
whom were like, yeah, it's amazing, I'm earning more and
more prosperous, absolutely love it here. Others who fit said
they honestly felt guilty. They felt guilty about having their
kids marty kids over there who can't who have no
connection to no connection to the language, anything else like that.
(25:11):
And they said they hear their kids say dance class
and they're like, oh man, there's something in the kind
of you know, like that burns.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
You know. Jack Whe's saying it was one hundred and
seventy thousand Mary and Australia, one hundred and forty thousand
in the South Island, so outnumber seventeen to fourteen.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
I mean, I can shut up because I'm one of
the South live in the North Island. Is that is
a pretty amazing stance, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Here's the tax rates.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
Forty five is the top a.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Eighteen grand up to eighteen grand nothing. Yeah, we've got
to do that sixteen percent from eighteen thousand to oh
my computer, just enough, that's eighteen thousand to forty five thousand.
I mean, so you're paying sixteen percent for the twenty
thousand from eighteen to forty five you paid nothing on
the wow, okay, and then twenty percent from forty five
(26:01):
to one thirty five. Yeah, and then thirty seven percent,
So it starts to crank up there from one thirty
five and then up into Jack Taine territory forty five
percent and above on one ninety and above, so forty there,
but then it's are more better to be honest.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Well, but then and then so they don't have universal
super so they don't have universal pensions, so not even
gets a pension. Only about forty percent of people get
a pension of forty two or something like that. But
the minimum employer contribution is twelve percent. So if you're
ruining one hundred ninety grand, but you're getting text at
forty five over one hundred and ninety grand, but your
employees putting in twelve percent, you are going to have
a very good retirement.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, okay, So that's interesting. So they so you've got
a put No, you don't have to.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
They have to put on twelve percent. You don't You
could put in nothing and they can put a twelve percent.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Yeah, it's compulsory retirement savings. So they so the employer
has to do it. Yes, but then they don't have
a universal pingion.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
But but they But what it means is they've got
competitive superannuation companies. So at the moment where you kind
of just all put it in Kelly saving, don't think
about it, but over there they will actively pitch you
join this super joint, this super ads for like, get
your money out. I'm still trying to get money out
of my superannuation over and Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
The thing is that that superannuation scheme that they've got
been going for a long time, and we screwed it
up in the seventies. We went back and forth. Yeah,
because there's a bit of a bit of vote jiggery
pokery from the muldoone government and seventy five that put
us back miles and miles and miles. And then that
was a stupid idea.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
So what's the answer then, Jack, how do we how
do we keep everyone here? Do we have to churn
in at eight forty or.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Virus.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
I mean I just think you you just have the
West Coast. I mean yeah, I think you've got to
bring people back and you've got to have policies that
are that make young people feel like they've got a
more prosperous life.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Do you reckon as well, Jee that New Zealand. I'd
like to get your opinion on this. Do you reckon
New Zealand? Do you reckon we focus on young people
in New Zealand like austra Like, I always think that
Australia are really good at celebrating the young people, and
I reckon in New.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Zealand we focus on the boomers.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
We were getting better at it maybe a little bit maybe,
but I always feel like we're.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
An old Australia feels like a young country.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
It does. They love young people and they love celebrating
the success of young people and it's a youthful country where.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
They're out there doing stuff, whereas over here it's like
it'll be a boomers name. You're not allowed to do that,
it's too loud. When Needing Park has a concept, don't
do that.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Look at that day. It's a great example. We both
celebrate Anzact Day. Both New Zealanders and Australians were there
in Gallipoli. We were both fighting. Australia considers that one
of their important days of nation hut. That's the day
when Australians turned into Australians. It's a huge celebration on Australia.
People go to pubs, they get it. It's a different
type of a vibe here. We look back and we
(28:49):
go and we stand around in the dark and we
play a pretty somber song and we say, lest we
forget you know, these people that made the sacrifice. But
then and then we go, what about now? How does
it relate to what we're doing now? We have no
relation to the present.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
Yeah, that's a very good, very astute point. I just
think Australians are better at celebrating full stop. They're better
at I mean, they're kind of I mean, it's the
same stuff that makes us think that they're kind of
arrogant and headstrong, and you know that there are other
qualities where that might not seem as attractive. But I
think you have hit on something and I think they
(29:22):
do feel like they're a bit more celebratory of their
nation and culture.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
We all have problems. New Zealand has its problems. Australia
has its problems. Their problems are very different than our problems.
We have different cultural issues that they have cultural issues,
They're very different to our cultural issues. The things that
bring them together are different than the things that bring
us together. We're very different in that way. New Zealand
is Australians. Yet we are similar in a funny way.
(29:49):
But I feel like our problems are quite different.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
I think so too. I also think, you know, there
are components of our shared history, as in New Zealand
shared history between you know, Mardy and the Crown versus
indigenous Australians in the round, Like, it's a pretty different
I mean that is that it's about as about as
(30:14):
distinct as it gets out. So there is stuff like
that where you think, wow, no brainer is to where
I'd rather be what country I'd rather be associated with?
But yeah, I mean it's a it's you know, I mean,
I don't know about you guys. I think about a lot.
I think about if I was at a different stat
in life. Yeah, yeah, I think that. I think there's
a lot of the things.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
How do we get your show? You me and Aussie
which is tonight at eight forty pm and this show,
The Darky Breakfast on air over in Australia.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Well that's up. Maybe we need to we need another branch,
that's what we need. I mean, So at the end
of the show tonight, is any giveaways you're giving away
contus are coming in.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
No, no, no. But what we're doing is we've got
we've got a whole stack. Like see, like three dozen
Kiwis who are considering going more likely to go than not.
And so we're going to have a vote. We're gonna
we're going to kind of put everything to them and
then at the end see if it's changed their minds.
Go to a vote and see if you know, if
some of them are feeling more aggressive about leaving and
if some are going to stay.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
And we have to, I mean, we like the viewers
decide whether they go or not.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Yeah, exactly push them off the plane later.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, Hey Jack, thanks for coming in. You and Me
and Ozzie is tonight eight forty pm tv Z one
and of course anytime you like TV and Z plus
Jerry and.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Mania catch the radio show from six till ten weekdays.
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