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May 6, 2026 17 mins

Today on the pod we look back at the number of times a BSA complaint has been lodged against Jeremy Wells - after it was confirmed the Broadcasting Standards Authority is being disestablished.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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show The hurdar Key Breakfast Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Welcome long to the podcast. Here will news yesterday. The
disbanding of the Broadcasting Standards Authority a relationship an organization
that I've had quite a relationship with over the years. Yeah,
long standing and a good one. I've got to say.
Positive relationship yourself and Broadcasting Standards Authority, I would say,
very positive.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Well, I would say somehow RUDA has been able to
find your entire history of broadcasting sentates complaints.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
It is extensive. How many instances.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Ruder I reckon and hear, and surprisingly only about nineteen
Maybe I thought there'd be more, Jerry, to be honest,
it's five double sided pages.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Stretching back more than that. But this feels like a
bit of a dossier.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, one hundred percent, stretching back to nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, stretches back and look, we've had we've had a hackup,
we had a head up ninety nine. Yeah, but apart
from that, we've had quite a positive relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Back in ninety Simon Boyce maybe beat that out.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
No, that's all right, you can.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
That's a good point on the public record, complaining to
Television New Zealand the broadcaster what do you call graturitis
swearing on the program, which includes the use of the
word fuck breach the good taste standard. He complained about
the episode, which she said the usual contextless examples of
gratuitor swearing For the first minute minute Jerry as the

(01:32):
seventeenth August episode, he noticed that Havoc called someone a
fuck with highlight of the sequence, mister Boyce suggested was
the person spitting on.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
A car, spinning on a car.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
WHOA, it's an awful not upheld by the way, that one.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
That's what I'm saying. Not upowered to keep it and
not upheld means that they said that there was no
case to answer.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, So how how the BSA works As a member
of the public needs to complain in the first instance,
then internally.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Your company, so for us in in me.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
They will then have a look at it themselves if
it's passed on from the BSA, and then decide whether
to uphold it or not. It's a pretty weird system
as it is.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yep, it is a weird system.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
And with them bidding the BSA, they want it to
be entirely self regulated, which it kind of is anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, so the media is going to be like a
media council, which that happens at the moment in print.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, it's it's something that happens anyway. So it's not
going to be huge change. It's not like it's just
going to the wild West.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
So is it No, it's no, I don't think so.
I think I think it's And the reason that it's
happened this way is because nowadays it's called the Broadcasting
Standards Authority, and obviously so much, so much content is
delivered online now like for example, this podcast, Yeah, this podcast,
And because there's other stuff coming in from overseas that's

(02:55):
online that they have no control over, pornography, all sorts
of stuff. The Broadcasting Standards Authority doesn't have any jurisdiction
of that. And I think the main thing was it
was accidental. So if someone happened to be listening or
watching something like a child or something like that, then
and authority needed to come in and say, hey, look,
these people didn't choose to watch this broadcast, whereas I

(03:15):
think with online content you choose to go and get it,
so the onus is on you basically.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
And then recently they tried to I would say, overreach
a little bit, and they tried to enforce it on
a couple of podcasts, and it's like, well, okay, so
if I'm not allowed to say that, but Joe Rogan
can go on and say fuck check count, then how
can you know? Then it's not a level playing field
at that point. Yeah, And that was a reasonable argument triggery.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
No, just the way you where did it was funck
check count. And he absolutely can. But we can't go
on a broadcast and say this.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
No, we can't. And because if someone's just listening in
the car, if the kids listening in the car or
something like that. They but I mean, you could be
listening to a podcast in the car now.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah, which by this stage is your own fault exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
And I would say though that if you choose to
listen to a radio station or in these situations oftentimes
choose to watch a television show. Yeah. And I think
a lot of these complaints, to be honest, are people
who were choosing to be outraged. That's what I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
So many of them are from the same people, and
it's like I've never understood that this isn't for me
and so no one should be able to watch it.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
I never understood that as a yeah, it's a funny one,
isn't it. I see these names, and they are obviously names,
faceless people. I wonder sometimes whether I've seen them in life.
You know, I might have walked past one of these
people or something. Yeah, in my life, chances are probably
have because so many can.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
I read this one from Shred, a snowboarding program hosted
by Jeremy wells Now.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
That's the one that I could find that was up house.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Oh so okay, we might need to be careful about
this one. Oh yeah, oh we're on the incident. It
doesn't matter. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, true. Okay, well no, no,
because it doesn't say the name. Yeah, it's no, it's
all good. It's all good. Oh yeah, this is all good.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
It's a snowboarding program hosted by Jeremy.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
It was a little bit before my time. Terrible, I
would have been. It was rubbish.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
It focused on Okeney and included skitz and intervisits some local.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Pits shouldn't have been on, Like, it really shouldn't have been.
It was. I think it's the worst program I've ever done, mate,
Just you wait.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
One skit showed the presenter reading sexually explicit graffiti written
on a playground structure, some of which included people's names, including.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, can I go back and just give some context
to us? We went to o'cerney for the show, and
we had no ideas about what we were going to do.
We didn't actually have any ideas of what we're going
to do in the whole show. So that's the gay
good thing happened it. Yeah, And it was on at
ten thirty at night, nobody was watching, and so it
was sponsored. It was a sponsored show. It was kind
of like making a little bit of money for a
production company that I was working for at the time.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
And so you just go to o'kearney with no plan
yep and in your hand.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah. And when we arrived there, me and some other
guys went what are we going to do? And then
we were just hanging out at I think I was
having a city in the playground and I said, hey,
come have a look at us. Is it graf is
quite interesting? And some of the other guys came over
and it said this person's name sucks anyone's cock slut features,

(06:09):
which is true, and that's a fact. Slut features they
called They called this person slut features, so.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
It would for instance, it said, Ruder sucks anyone's cock
slut features, which is true, that's a fact.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Quite good graffiti. And then it said like Maniah is
dubomb Pasha, which is quite nice. Actually it's pretty accurate.
Who's the man with the mic in hand? People still pashion?

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Are the young and still passion?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Good questions? No, it's all online now, Yeah, Sadley, Who's
who's the man with the mic in hand? Ruder? Who's
the man with the master plan? Ruder? Who's the bitch
with the cheesy mick goes by the name? Fuck you Ruder.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
It's not supposed to be the cheesy mic. Is it
supposed to be cheesy Mac?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, cheesy Mac? Okay, wank my balls, wank my mac? Yes,
please go hard. And then someone's name. I think I
know what the nighbors because the name is the person's name.
So I read these and then I read the person's
name with them. That was stupid of me. I never
should have done that. We should have beaped out the names.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Hold on, though, so how come that's a breach of
broadcasting standards. But writing it on the side of the playground,
that's that's all good.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Great, good question.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
I don't think it was where was I in two
thousand and one. I think it's illegal exactly graffiti, but
they would have been.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, apparently what happened. So a bit of context for
this one as well is because they in those days
small towns didn't used to be on TV very much.
Everybody from Ocooney found out that it was going to
be a show about o'conny that night, and so they
all sat down and watched, including people from the school,
and then I read their names out, and then the
next day in school, apparently it was just a fever

(08:01):
of intense people going, oh my god, did you see
that thing last night? And people are making fun of
all of the people whose names I'd read out, And so.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Then I know that still happens in small town New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
They complained in relation to the message wank my balls,
wells observed, whanking balls hurts, and it's not a very
good idea. Instead, why don't you try wanking your cock.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
I think that's good advice.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I mean, you know, on wank balls, I thought that
was a sage for yourself. Really, you wank your balls.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
I'm not saying I do. I'm just saying you don't.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Get to decide.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
But I did think that that was a good point
that I made that possibly would have I don't know.
I don't know. I've done some of the bad work
in that situation.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
You're on it. In my client's defense, he did dish
out some sage advice around wanking your balls.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
I forgot about the good advice that I've given the
scary way.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
The scary thing is that is a defense. And quite
a number of these cases that some sage advice was
given as well as the obvious discussed.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
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Speaker 2 (09:15):
So that one went to the that one went to
the Broadcasting Sents Authority, and they decided that that was
not good. No, it breached the standard of good test
and decency. Yes, the penalty was we had to say
we have breached the stands of good test and decency.
We're sorry, we apologize.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
The next week say that on your show, yep, with
a great punishment we made.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
We had to have punishment and then we had to
pay a thousand dollars fine, did you no?

Speaker 3 (09:41):
No episode of having two thousand? DeLux broadcast TV two
ten to twenty pm on fourteenth of December nineteen ninety
nineteen twenty pm on the fourteenth of December, go to
the pub?

Speaker 2 (09:52):
What do you fucking you know what I mean? It
was Simon Boyce, was it? I feel like Simon Boyce
was complained a lot.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, Oh, these days he would just bombard the text machine,
I think or been in the comment section on social media.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
A skit during which bacon was suggested as a substitute
for Christmas wrapping paper, and in which the phrase Christmas
is fucking excellent. I fucking love it was used. Well,
that's all right, isn't it? A skit in which Havoc
wore an artificial horse's head while he appeared to imitate
an Asian language. Well, that was a that was a
parody of a Japanese sketch called horse and he did

(10:31):
We're saying and he ran around with Benny Hill music,
and there was Japanese kind of figurines not figurines writing
on the thing, a skit during which the presenter sailed
around the America's cup Village and Auckland. The presenders had
a conversation with an Australian crew and asked them whether
they brought women back to have sex on the boat's hull.
Oh god. They also referred to a group on the

(10:51):
wharf as a pack of wankers, and Newsboy claimed to
recognize the TV ands and stuff. Is that true? Yea,
We were basically just trying to we were trying to
get a complaint, like that's what, That's the whole point
of the show.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Oh, that one was and and in fact there was
a there was a Between Two Beers episode with Tom Harvey,
one of the ones where they make you cry and
talk about your illnesses. The interviewed.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
Phil SMI Lunch he talked about in charge of yea, yes,
he talked about the next one that was Eating Media
Lunch Skip where you it was Super Sized Me where
where you went up k Road and ate Kebabs until
you turn into him Islamic extremes.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, that's right, because that was a parody of the
Super Sized Me film where he ate a burger every day,
and then Morgan spur and someone sperm and Morgan Sperman
was that his name. Yeah, he had a burger every
day and got really really sack and you know, and said, look,
this is this is really bad for you. Well, I
add a kebab every day. But in the end I

(12:07):
started to wear a yeah, the dash, and then I
ended up plotting to yeah, kill people, become a terrorist Slovakia.
I thought that was good. Actually I enjoyed. I thought
that was a I thought it was a clear idea.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah, but this is the problem when you use something
as the subject of a joke. It's not the butt
of the joke, but it's the subject of the joke.
People get offended on because they don't know what it
is that you're taking the person. No, it's not you're
not taking the past out of Islam. You're taking the
past out of people that think they're doing.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
That would cause that.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
I think that's why the satire and parody thing is
really important.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, you've got to understand You've got to have context.
This is the problem. You've got to understand something to
actually realize what people are doing.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, and yeah, it's the same with the farming mold
these things like this isn't slagging off, it's just what's
the most ridiculous example I could use to to eliminate
what that dog on that shirt?

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, so it was the one where we targeted Target.
So we turned up beforehand when Target were there, and
we set up cameras to film the people who were
setting up the hidden cameras and they ended up wrapping
themselves in glad rap And there was actually a bit
that was cut out of that that is not off
talked about. But there was a bit where one of

(13:20):
the guys got an African statue and pretended to shove
that up someone's ass. And we actually watched that and
we went, you know what, I think that's a bit
too full on, and so we cut that but out ourselves.
But in the end that one didn't get upheld.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
No, I believe, as we said before, that only one
was the one with the graffiti.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Drug use, telephone six, masturbation, defication and urination that was
in the Target parody. That was the first eating we
didn't as we ever did, so that was good. We
got we got about a million complaints for that.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, Well, what about in the Boodland one visited a
Wiker farm in Southland that was shown caring for pet
mice then releasing them to be eaten by wicker.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, that that's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
That was happening.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
That did have it? Did it? Yeah? So well they
were Yeah, the mice were fed to the worker because
it's like that's the food that the workers eat, and
so we filmed it, and but we showed it. Well.
I actually wondered about that one. I thought that was
a bit gratuitous. Looking back, I'm surprised we didn't get
up there. I'm suppose that one didn't get up there.
Did happen?

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, the Grand Tour Jeremy Wells and the n zid
Soo the Symphony Orchestra tour of.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
China and Europe.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
During the discussions with the musicians, conductors, orchestra fans and
health professionals. Health professionals, that's one of the orchestra directors
if there are any rules about sexual practice before performances.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I thought that's a good question.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
I like the next one questioned a resident doctor at
a concert hall in Germany, saying, what about if someone
goes down in the orchestra with possibly a both through
the testicles or something along those lines. If the testicles
on the floor, do you have to pick up the
testicle at that point? This is an orchestra member who's
had the a testicle on the floor. Would you have
to pick up the testicle.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Off the floor?

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Is there a room where you can take them and
the testicle? Ask the principal harpist from the nd ZES.
Anyone ever asked you to play the harp nude and
suggested the notion of a nude harp ensemble. Asked the
violinist in the orchestra if you even needed to go
number ones and number two is during a performance?

Speaker 2 (15:19):
That's a reasonable question.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Ask the orchestra's physiotherapist. No one's ever asked for a
happy ending of they and erections? Is there ever an issue?
Ask one of the musicians whether someone reminds everyone to
go wheeze before a concert?

Speaker 2 (15:30):
My god, does the tame i exactly? That those a
good question, But this is what again?

Speaker 3 (15:35):
This is because you have to the complaint has to
come from someone that watched it. Yeah, so the people
that are watching the New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Syphony Orchestralia that was there's a lot of complaints about
that to be honest, that's the last time I do
a documentary about classical music. We're going to get through this.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
No, we're not going to. We'll do some of them
on the radio show.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Why Sometime I'm quite proud of like the line that
I did with Like Mike's skit on The Hickocky Breakfast.
I was pleasuring with hosting saying I was pleasing myself
watching John Key on Parliament TV the other night, and
just when things were coming to a climax, they come
to Labor Leader Andrew Little and I lost thickness immediately.

(16:17):
Time to bring that back? I'm quite happy with that line.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Is it time to bring Like Mike back?

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Maybe I feel like I feel like I'll end up
saying exactly the same things all over again because I've
forgotten anything that I didn't even remember saying that. And
then there was the one last one.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
During the Hidaky Breakfast, host Jeremy Wells and Matt Heath
Bring Me. Matteath discussed smoking marijuana in relation to several
National Party inmps who had recently publicly stated they'd never
tried it. The host of calls from listeners who had
also never tried marijuana and asked them why they had
never tried it. The authority did not uphold a complaint
that the broadcast promoted and encouraged the use of marijuana.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I think that's okay. Jeez. Did I tell the story
about Angela Dawdney when she said on my desk when
I was twenty in the leopard print minisk it on
air on seven sharp. Wow, I don't remember that. I
remember any of that stuff. I think there's something wrong
with my brain. All right, we're gonna go.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
All right, Jerry and Manaiah. Catch the radio show from
six to ten weekdays, The Hodaky Breakfast
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