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While Jerry and Manaia are away we're harking back to some stuff from earlier in the year. This was from a podcast where the team could go into some of Jeremy's BSA complaints. What was the only one that was upheld?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Hurdarchy Breakfast Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Welcome along to the podcast. Here we'll news yesterday the
disbanding of the Broadcasting Standards Authority. A relationship an organization
that I've had quite a relationship with over the years. Yeah,
long standing and a good one. I've got to say.
Positive relationship with yourself and Broadcasting Standards Authority, I would say,
very positive.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Well, I would say somehow RUDA has been able to
find your entire history of broadcasting sentates complaints.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
It is extensive. How many instances ruder.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
I reckon and here, and they're surprisingly only about nineteen
Maybe I thought there'd be more.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Jerry, to be honest, it's five double sided pages stretching.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Back more than that. But this feels like a bit
of a dossier.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
Yeah, one hundred percent, stretching back to nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, stretches back and look, we've had we've had a
hack up. We had a heck up at ninety nine. Yeah,
but apart from that, we've had quite a positive relationship.

Speaker 5 (00:57):
Back in nineteen No, I'm a boys, maybe beat that out.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
No, it's all right, you can. That's a good point
on the public record.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Complaining to Television New Zealand the broadcaster what do you
call graturitis swearing on the program, which includes the use
of the word fuck breach the good taste standard. He
complained about the episode, which he said the usual contextless
examples of graturiti swearing for the first minute as the
seventeenth August episode, he noticed that Havoc called someone a

(01:29):
fuck with highlight of the sequence, mister Boyce suggested, was
the person spitting on a car spinning on a car.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
WHOA, it's an.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Awful not upheld by the way, that.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
One is what I'm saying, not uppowered it and not
upheld means that they said that there was no case
to answer.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, So how how the BSA works As a member
of the public needs to complain in the first instance,
then internally your company so for uSens in me they
will then have a look at it themselves if it's
passed on from the BSA, and then decide whether to
uphold it or not. It's a pretty weird system as
it is.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yep, it is a weird system.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
But then bidding the BSA they want it to be
entirely self regulated, which it kind of is anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, so the media is going to be like a
media council, which that happens at the moment in print.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, it's it's something that happens anyway. So it's not
going to be huge change. It's not like it's just
going to the wild West.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
So is it No? No, I don't think so. I
think I think it's And the reason that it's happened
this way is because nowadays it's called the Broadcasting Standards Authority,
and obviously so much so much content is delivered online
now like for example, this podcast, Yeah, this podcast, And
because there's other stuff coming in from overseas that's online

(02:48):
that they have no control over, pornography, all sorts of stuff.
The Broadcasting Standards Authority doesn't have any jurisdiction of that.
And I think the main thing was it was accidental.
So if someone happened to be listening or watching something
like a child or something like that, then and authority
needed to come in and say, hey, look, these people
didn't choose to watch this badcast, whereas I think with
online content you choose to go and get it, so

(03:11):
the onus is on you basically.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
And then recently they tried to I would say, overreach
a little bit and they tried to enforce it on
a couple of podcasts, and it's like, well, okay, so
if I'm not allowed to say that, but Joe Rogan
can go on and say fuck check.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Count, then how can you know?

Speaker 5 (03:27):
Then it's not a level playing field at that point.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, And that was a reasonable argument, triggery.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
No, just the way you where did it was fun
chick count and he absolutely can. But we can't go
on a broadcast and say this.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
No we can't. And because if someone's just listening in
the car, if the kids listening in the car or
something like that, they but I mean you could be
listening to a podcast in the car now.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yeah, which by this stage is your own fault exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
And I would say though that if you choose to
listen to a radio station or in these situations oftentimes
choose to watch a television show. Yeah. And I think
a lot of these complaints, to be honest, are people
who were choosing to be outraged.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
That's what I don't understand. So many of them are
from the same people. And then it's like, I've never
understood that this isn't for me, and so no one
should be able to watch it I never understood that
as a.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, it's a funny one, isn't it. I see these names,
and they are obviously names faceless people. I wonder sometimes
I've seen them in life. You know, I might have
walked past one of these people or something. Yeah, in
my life, chances are probably have because so many.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Can I read this one from Shred, a snowboarding program
hosted by Jimmy Wells.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Now, that's the one that I could find that was
up house.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Oh so okay, we might need to be careful about
this one. Oh yeah, oh we're on the incident. It
doesn't matter. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, true. Okay, well no, no,
because it doesn't say the name. Yeah, it's no, it's
all good. It's all good. Oh yeah, this is all good.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
It's a snowboarding program hosted by Jimmy Wells. It's a
little bit before my time. Terribles I would have been.
It was rubbish and focused on Kearney and included skitz.
I need to visit some local pits.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Shouldn't have been on, like, it really shouldn't have been.
It was. I think it's the worst program I've ever done.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Mate, Just you wait.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
One skit showed the presenter reading sexually explicit graffiti written
on a playground structure, some of which included people's names, including.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, can I go back and just give some context
to us? We went to o'coney for the show, and
we had no ideas about what we were going to do.
We didn't actually have any idea of what we're going
to do in the whole show. So that's a good
thing happened. Yeah, And it was on at ten thirty
at night. Nobody was watching, and so it was sponsored.
It was a sponsored show. It was kind of like
making a little bit of money for a production company

(05:35):
that I was working for at the time. And so
you just go to Kearney with no plan yep, and
in the hand. Yeah. And when we arrived there, me
and some other guys went what are we going to do?
And then we were just hanging out at I think
I was having a SIGI in the playground and I said, hey,
come have a look at us. Is graffiti is quite
interesting And some of the other guys came over and

(05:56):
it said this person's name sucks any one's cock. Slut features,
which is true, and that's a fact. Slut features they
called They called this person slut features.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
So it would For instance, it said Ruder sucks anyone's
cock slut features, which is true, that's a fact.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Quite good graffiti. And then it said like Maniah is
dubomb Pasha, which.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Is quite nice.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Actually it's pretty accurate. Me, who's the man with the
mic in hand? People? Still passion? Are the young and
still passion? Good questions? No, it's all online now, Yeah, Sadley,
Who's who's the man with the mic in hand? Ruder?
Who's the man with the master plan? Ruder? Who's the

(06:43):
bitch with the cheesy Mick goes by the name? Fuck
you Ruder.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
It's not supposed to be the cheesy mic. Is it
supposed to be cheesy Mac?

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, cheesey Mick. Okay, wank my balls, wank my mac? Yes,
please go hard. And then someone name. I think I
know what the namers because the name is the person's name.
So I read these and then I read the person's
name with them. That was stupid of me. I never
should have done that. We should have beaped out the names.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Hold on though, so how come that's a breach of
broadcasting standards? But writing it on the side of the
playground that's that's all good.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Great, good question.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
I don't think it was where it was I in
two thousand and one. I think it's illegal exactly graffiti,
but they would have been. Yeah, apparently what happened. So
a bit of context for this one as well is
because they in those days, small towns didn't used to
be on TV very much. Everybody from Oconey found out
that it was going to be a show about o'cony
that night, and so they all sat down and watched,
including people from the school, and then I read their

(07:46):
names out, and then the next day in school, apparently
it was just a fever of intense people going, oh
my god, did you see that thing last night?

Speaker 2 (07:57):
And people were making fun of all of the people
whose names I'd read out, And so then you know
that still happens in small town New Zealand. They complained
in relation to the message whank my balls, wells observed
whanking balls hurts, and it's not a very good idea. Instead,
why don't you try wanking your cock?

Speaker 4 (08:16):
I think that's good advice.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
I mean, you know, on wank balls, I thought that
was saved for yourself. Real, do you wank your balls?

Speaker 5 (08:24):
I'm not saying I do. I'm just saying you get
to decide.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
But I did think that that was a good point
that I made that possibly would have I don't know.
I don't know, I've done. Some of the bad works
come in that situation, you're on it.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
In my client's defense, he did dish out some sage
advice around wanking your balls.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
I forgot about the good advice that I've given the
scary way.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
The scary thing is that is a defense, and quite
a number of these cases that some sage advice was given,
as well as the obvious discussed.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
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Speaker 2 (09:07):
So that one went to that, one went to the
Broadcasting Centers authority and they decided that that was not good. No,
it breached the standard of good test and decency. Yes,
the penalty was we had to say we have breached
the standards of good test and decency. We're sorry, we apologize.
The next week say that on your show, yep, with
a great punishment we made we had to have punishment

(09:29):
and then we had to pay a thousand dollar fine.
Did you no no episode of having two thousand?

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Deluxe broadcast TV two ten to twenty pm on fourteenth
of December nineteen ninety nineteen twenty pm on the fourteenth
of December to the pub What do you fucking you know.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
What I mean? It was Simon Boyce? Was it? So?
I feel like Simon Boyce was complained a lot.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah, these days he would just bombard the text machine,
I think.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Or it been the comments section on social media skit
during which bacon was suggested as a substitute for Christmas
wrapping paper, and in which the phrase Christmas is fucking excellent.
I fucking love it was used. Well that's all right,
isn't it? A skit in which Havoc wore an artificial
horse's head while he appeared to imitate an Asian language.

(10:17):
Well that was a that was a parody of a
Japanese sketch called horse and he did we're saying and
he ran around with Benny Hill music and there was
Japanese kind of figurines, not figurines writing on the thing.
A skit during which the presender sailed around the America's
Cup Village and Auckland. The presenders had a conversation with
an Australian crew and asked them whether they brought women

(10:40):
back to have sex on the boat's hull. Oh god.
They also referred to a group on the wharf as
a pack of wankers and new Boy claimed to recognize
the TVs and stuff. Is that true? We were basically
just trying to we were trying to get a complaint,

(11:01):
like that's what that's the whole point of the show.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Oh, that one was and and in fact there was
a there was a Between Two Beers episode with Tom Harvey,
one of the ones where they make you cry and
talk about your illnesses.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Interviewed Phil Lunch.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
He talked about in charge of Yeah, yes, he talked
about the next one that was Eating Media Lunch Skip
where you it was Super Sized Me where where you
went up k Road and ate.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Kebabs until you turn into the Islamic extremes. Yeah, that's right,
because that was a parody of the Super Sized Me
film where he ate a burger every day. And then
Morgan spur and someone sperm and Morgan Sperman was that
his name? Yeah? He ate a burger every day and
got really really sick and you know, and said, look,
this is this is really bad for you. Well, I

(11:57):
had a kebab every day, but in the end I
started to wear a yeah, the stash and then I
ended up plotting to yeah, kill people, become a terrorist Slovaskia.
I thought that was good. Actually I enjoyed. I thought
that was a I thought it was a clear idea.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, but this is the problem when you use something
as a subject of a joke. It's not the butt
of the joke, but it's the subject of the joke.
People get offended on because they don't know what it
is that you're taking the person. No, it's not you're
not taking the person out of Islam. You're taking the
past out of people that think they're doing that would
use that. I think that's why the satire parody things
really important.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, you've got to understand, you're going to have context.
This is the problem. You've got to understand something to
actually realize what people are doing.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah, and yeah, it's the same with the farming Maori.
Things like this isn't slagging off, it's just what's the
most ridiculous example I could use to to eliminate what
that dog on that shirt.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, so there was the one where we targeted target.
So we turned up beforehand when Target were there and
we sit up to film the people who were setting
up the hidden cameras and they ended up wrapping themselves
in glad rap And there was actually a bit that
was cut out of that that is not off talked about.
But there was a bit where one of the guys

(13:13):
got an African statue and pretended to shove that up
someone's ass, and we we actually watched that and we went,
you know what, I think that's a bit too full on,
and so we cut that but out ourselves. But in
the end that one didn't get upheld.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
No, I believe as we said before, that only one
was the one with the graffiti.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Drug use, telephone six, masturbation, defication and urination that was
in the target perody. That was the first to eating
we do nuts we ever did, so that was good.
We got we got about a million complaints for that.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Yeah, well what about in the Bootland one visited a
wiker farm in Southland that was shown caring for pet
mice then releasing them to be eaten by Wicker.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, that's ridiculous. That was happening. That did have it?
Did it? Yeah? So well they were Yeah, the mice
were fed to the worker because it's like that's the
food that the workers eat, and so we filmed it,
and but we showed it. Well. I actually wonder about
that one. I thought that was a bit gratuitous. Looking back,
I'm surprised we didn't get up there. I suppose that

(14:12):
one didn't get up Now did happen? Yeah, the Grand
Tour Jeremy Wells and.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
The n Z Soo the Symphony Orchestra to China and Europe.
During the discussions with the musicians, conductors, orchestra fans, and
health professionals. Health professionals, that's one of the orchestra directors
if there are any rules about sexual practice before performances.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
I thought that's a good question.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
I like this next one, questioned a resident doctor at
a concert hall in Germany, saying, what about if someone
goes down in the orchestra with possibly a bow through
the testicles or something along those lines, If the testicles
on the floor, you have to pick up the testicle
at that point. This is an orchestra member who's had
their testicle on the floor. Would you have to pick
up the testicle off the floor? Is there a room

(14:57):
where you can take them and the testicle? The principal
harpist from the n z SO, has anyone ever asked
you to play the harp nude? And suggested the notion
of a nude harp ensemble? Asked if violinist in the
orchestra if you even needed to go number one and
number two is during a performance? I think it's a
reasonable question, asked the orchestra's physiotherapist. No one's ever asked
for a happy ending of they and erections?

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Is there ever an issue?

Speaker 3 (15:19):
I asked one of the musicians whether someone reminds every
under go wheeze before a concert?

Speaker 2 (15:23):
My god, does the tame? I exactly? That those a
good question, but this is what again?

Speaker 3 (15:28):
This is because you have to the complaint has to
come from someone that watched it. Yeah, so the people
that are watching the New Zealand Symphony Australia that was
there's a lot of complaints about that. To be honest,
that's the last time I do a documentary about classical music.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
We're going to get through this.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
No, we're not going to we'll do some of them
on the radio show.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Well sometime. I'm quite proud of like the line that
I did Like Mike's skit on the Hattocky Breakfast. I
was pleasing with Hosking saying I was pleasing myself watching
John Key on Parliament TV the other night, and just
when things were coming to a climax, they come to
Labor leader Andrew Little and I lost thickness immediately.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Time to bring that back? I'm quite happy with that line.
Is it time to bring like Mike back?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Maybe I feel like I feel like I'll end up
saying exactly the same things all over again because I've
forgotten anything that I didn't even remember saying that. And
then there was the one last one.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
During the Hadaker Breakfast, host Jeremy Wells and Matt Heath
Maeath discussed smoking marijuana in relation to several National Party
INPs who had recently publicly stated they'd never tried it.
The host took calls from listeners who had also never
tried marijuana and asked them why they had never tried it.
The Authority did not uphold a complaint that the broadcast
promoted and encouraged the use of marijuana.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I think that's okay. Jeez, did I tell the story
about Angela Dawdney when she said on my desk when
it was twenty in the leopard print miniskirt on air
on seven sharp. Wow, I don't remember that I remember
any of this stuff. I think there's something wrong with
my brains. All Right, we're gonna go.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
All right, Jerry and Manayah. Catch the radio show from
six to ten weekdays, The Hadaky Breakfast
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