July 13, 2026 • 15 mins
While Jerry and Manaia are away we're harking back to some stuff from earlier in the year.
And it was a real pleasure for the guys to catch up with music legend Neil Finn ahead of the Split Enz tour a few months back.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Hurdarky Breakfast Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Have you met Maniah, Neil Manaa?
Speaker 3 (00:04):
I don't know, but my grandson's name is Manayah. So
I'm very very happy to meet another Manaiah powerful.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Yes, I'm happy to hear grandson as well. With far
out numbered, there's far more female Manias than males.
Speaker 5 (00:17):
Yeah, I know there's a few. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
And the other thing that you would be well used to,
and unfortunately happens to our grandson and I too, is
that on the page it was written down as mania?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Oh god?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Yeah? Is that on his birth certificate?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
No, it's no, he's Manaiah, but he often gets you know,
like if people write his name, they often write mania.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
This happens to me almost daily, Neil. I tell them
that mania is a mental disorder, I would assume, and.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
I would sympathize with you, empathize.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Actually, yeah, it's all of the vowels. It's just I
think I believe Europeans get a bit freaked out when
they see three vowels together. It just makes us get you.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
And also now I had a connection from a lovely
woman in Sydney for this call, and she didn't know
how to say Horeki either, so it was kind of
gets quite confusing.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yeah, so often a lot of people think that I
we for an evy station, But I tell people when
they struggle with my name, like Mania Twain and then
and then it collecks for them.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
That's a good one. I'll tell our Maniah about that one.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yes, Mania Twain will serve them.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, Neil, who was it that made the initial call
to get the band back together?
Speaker 5 (01:30):
How did God?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I can't even actually remember the moment, except that we
did a thing last year in my studio where we
got together to kind of play for a while and
we invited the old members in. We were filming for
what potentially will be a split en Stoco, and we
just slipped into it so effortlessly and so easily that
it became some of the It became talked about, and
(01:51):
then somebody came to us with an offer. It was
for Electric Avenue. It was the offer that came through
management and it just felt like the right time. Somehow
it just clicked with the moment.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
So yeah, we.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Said yes to that, and then of course once we
had that was well, that one show is going to
be a bit weird.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Maybe we should do do a few more, you know, just.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
To get the old girl really up and running.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
What was what was a liter game like?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It was amazing we had It was the first show
on seventeenth year. It was our thousandth show. It's hard
to say that. Actually Noel reminded us somebody had told him,
but we had.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
And we played forty.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Thousand people on a size a stage the size of
you know, Coachella, and with our new costumes, and it
really went as well as we possibly could have hoped.
All the crowd was singing, they were sort of euphoric,
and I'd say a good proportion of them, if not
a majority, probably weren't even born when the songs were
first written. So it was just an amazing reminder of
(02:53):
how songs stay in the air and how they just
traveled through the years and accompany people and their good
times and they're bad times.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
And then we were able to enjoy it all together.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
It didn't feel different, you know, it felt like we
were on stage just like it had always been. And
you look out this audience and they all looked like
the same, you know, some of the some of the
people were old and you know, like.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Us, but some of them were lots of them were
real younger like they always were.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You know, so many hits. How do you decide the
set list? Is that? Does that? Does one person end up?
Do you have to say? Okay? Well, in the end
we can all make sedestions and then I'm going to
have the final say or does someone have the power
of Vito?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, Tim probably would be the one who wrangled this
set list mostly, but we all, you know, waged in
for the ones that are the fringe dwellers. We knew
we only had an what was it of an eighty
minute set, so we were.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Able to do we banging out all of the hits and.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Then a few of the sort of songs that became
quite well known, like I think poor Boy doubt that
was ever a single, but it became very well known song,
and you know, things that were so we had to
decide on the ones that were slightly off to the side.
When we do a tour, which we're about to do,
we'll be enlarging the setlist. Tour are longer, so we'll
have got it five or six more songs to add,
(04:11):
so a few dip cuts, maybe a couple of the
old songs from the early days.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
But yeah, term is probably at the center of things.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
He sings, you know, more songs than I do, so
he wants to mistake his claim.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
But it was a pretty democratic band. There's a few.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Vetos here and there on on things, but yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
I've been very, very agreeable. We're getting on really well.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
You mentioned it was your thousandth show. Were you guys
aware of that before that show? Were you sitting on
nine nine nine things? Come on, we're going to get
one more on the record.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Surely?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
No, I mean, Noel was the one. And Nol is
not a statistics guy, you know, he's not. He sits
around and draws and and plays weird things with his
drum stix, but he doesn't normally look at the stats.
He came into rehearsal and said, yeah, do you guys.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Realize it's you know, a thousand shows coming up? We
hadn't known that, so yeah, phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So you've got obviously got Tim and you and Eddies
in there and Knowl's there, Man Eagles is in there
as well, and James Milne as well. Lawrence A. People
know him as Lawrence Arabia. So how did those guys go?
Because I imagine Matt and James would have been shitting their pants.
They're about to play with arguably the biggest New Zealand
(05:27):
band in history. Did you have any words to say
to them before they went out there, just to ease
the nerves or did you ramp it up on purpose?
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I had to give James a hug.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Not long before we went on because I was having
We actually had subtle makeup applied. We didn't do the
full crusty white theatrical makeup because we thought it would
look really bad halfway through the seat if we're all
sweating and the makeup was starting to peel and the
craps appearing, you know, So we went for some kind
of you know, it's more subtle makeup, more like what
you probably have on seven shows.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
A lot of cake it on and a lot.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Of just to smooth out the rough edges. You know.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
We stopped short of shots in the lips and you know, sorry,
now I've got off topic. Now getting my getting my
makeup done from a young lady in christ Church and
I looked out the window and James was just pacing
past the window, gulping huge gobs of the air, and
I sensed that he was on the verge of a
panic attack. So I went out and gave him a
(06:28):
nice big hug and told him everything was going to
be okay, and he played a blinder and he was fine.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Once he got on stage. He was very nervous.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Matt I think was very nervous too, But Matt doesn't
he kind of he's quite inscrutable, you know, it doesn't
display it.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
James was clearly very very scared.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It's freaky. It's a freaky thing. I mean, how's the
dynamic change. Obviously it's changed massively since you first arrived
in the band as a teenager. I mean you've got
a lot more clout nowadays. I imagine with not only
your brother, but with the other members of the band.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
A sort of all I'm still the youngest in Eddie's eyes.
He'll still every now and again motion for me to
sit on the floor, so because we're talking to but
I won't now. I used to, you know, that was
one of his party trips. Was a young fella on
the floor and he'd given me a talking to. But no,
it doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
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at Hodarki Breakfast. Jerry and Mania joined the complay the
Hodaki Breakfast discussion group on Facebook for more.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
What about your relationship with the songs you mentioned before?
You know, there's some songs that make the playlist, there's
some songs that get vetoed. Does that change over time
as well?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, there's discussion about you know, there's certain songs that
will be difficult for different reasons for different people. So
you know, there might be a song that's really hard
for Tim to sing the lyrics of because he doesn't
believe them anymore, or you know, there might be one
that Eddie says, there's no way I'll remember how to
play that, although he always is that, but he always
(08:00):
manages usually he's quite an extraordinary musician, as you'll you know,
people come to see us play. I hadn't forgotten, but
it was I was newly you know, acquainted with his
the wonder of his fancy foot fingerwork. It's just extraordinary,
you know, and he remembered everything.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
In the end. He did put his thumb out.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
He was in some kind of brace before we went on,
but it didn't seem to matter once we got on stage.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Where do you draw the line, like in terms of
solo stuff and crowded house stuff. Do you because people
be wanting you to bult out some crowded house stuff,
do you do you go there? Or do you not
go there?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
We don't need to because the crowded House are out
there doing it as well. So we have done a
couple I've done I Got you on stage with Crowded
House on you know, not every night, but some nights,
and I do Message to my girls some nights as well,
So we do keep some of a couple of those
songs alive. But no, the band is very distinct and
quite unique in its own way split in so I
don't think we would need who venture into any other territory.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
People are quite happy to get those.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
There's a full set of really well, you know, well
loved songs. So and we're still doing Crowded House and
loving that and made a new I've got a new
record on the go, so you know, life is full
and I'm very feeling, very grateful.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
So no, no covers in the city either. Is that
something you guys like to have a.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Crowd We've never we never.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
We occasionally had covers that were just sort of off
the cuff. Any used to do a pretty crazy version
of feelings that.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Feelings, but not the Dejah Voodoo song. I hope.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
No, I don't know that one. But I don't know.
There was a well known hit from America some American
artists feelings feelings, you know that song. Maybe it's before
your time.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Oh no, that's hard. I don't know if I do.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
I'm with you, girl, these feelings are love.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
It's a belter from the sixties or seventies, any that,
and an impossibly hide pitch and he can't really sing,
so it was quite entertaining its own way.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I interviewed Eddy not long ago, and he and he
was remaster Yeah, what was he remastering? He's well mastering.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
I think it was fifty colors, probably was.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And he and he said, I said, oh, is there
any any bits that you've just had to auto tune
Tim's voice? You know, any notes that Tim didn't hit?
And and he's like, well, there actually were a couple
of notes. And then when I spoke to him, I said,
you know that did He told me that there's a
couple of that. He said, I have never I have
never hit a flat I've never been flat. Never were
(10:43):
there with any moments I thought on stage, come on.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Tim, I wouldn't contradict him, and I would say on record,
I don't think we had such a thing as auto
tune in those days anyway, So I'd say on record,
there's not a single note that's been changed in any form.
You know, these in the studio, you never know what
you're listening to. Everyone's bolted down and tuned within an
inch of its life, but not me. I would actually
(11:07):
hasten to add I don't use auto tune either, but yeah, yeah,
there's no badge of honor for that. You don't get
sent to black for it or anything.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I think it's I think that's great. I think at
a time when there's a lot of computer stuff, I
think it's nice to have a human but you can
you just know there's something, there's something that you feel
that's human about something. It makes you, makes it, you
warm to it.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, and even tuning is you know.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I like some of my favorite vocalists people you swear
singing slightly out of tune. They're very strong, like you know,
Robert Smith and the Cure, maybe David Byrne, Neil Young,
all have that slightly wobbly thing where you do. I'm
not sure whether they're perfectly in tune, but somehow it
just has a beautiful, human, reassuring presence.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Do you feel like that's the way the music's going
to go? Because now there's so much you know, as
you say, auto tune, but even AI and stuff like that,
I feel like more and more people are going to
want to hear the imperfections in the music. That's sort
of what makes it goods the flub notes and the
slightly missed notes, singing and things like that.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
I hope, So, I hope that's the way.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I mean, certainly, no AI actually ever going to perform live.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Well, actually Aberra slightly AI now aren't they?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
But yeah, I mean it's live music is always going
to be great for that reason because people are going
to even though I've got to say, actually, even though
a lot of live gigs people are using auto tune,
and fact they're using tapes. Still, I think when there's
lots of dance moves to pull off, but we're not.
We've got no grid, we've got no click where it's
what you see is what you hear is what you get.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Hey, what happens after the shows. Are you guys getting
on it heavily? Did you feel like you needed to
tuck in after Electric Ev and Christ J?
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Yeah? The four works, Jeremy. We just went totally mad.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
We had like seventeen years of partying, shit done on
one night. So yeah, I mean, I think I think
I was. I think I saw good Night Kiwi.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
TV. Oh wow, I don't.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Think it even exists anymore? Does it?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Nothing ever stops anymore? This is the thing. Everything just
keeps going.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
It used to be the saddest thing moment on earth
when Good Night Kiwi came on. I thought that New
Zealand was going that it wasn't acceptable to be awake
after the TV finished.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
There's something about the hauntingness of the of the organ
as well. Yeah, it's it's beautiful though.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
It is beautiful and sad and melancholy, and I love
so it's sad and melancholy. But we used to come
at that point we were living in Australia and they
had all night movies and they had like Rage on
the weekends and everything, and we'd come back to New
Zealand and stay with sharon'smum and and then Good night Kiwi.
Come on, we were in a late cycle and we
just it just felt so sadah, better not to do.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
That's like I said, the sun come up after a
big night out. All right, right, that's.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Enough, right, Hey, hey Neil, lovely to chat to you
and and really looking forward to you seeing you guys play.
Thanks for chatting to us. It's always a great pleasure.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Thanks, Jeremy, Thanks Manya you have a good day.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Amazing Neil, Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Beers mate.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, how then is going by the way, anytime you're
passing form, you know, an apple or a muffin?
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Jeremy, Ah, I thought.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Of you yesterday when I ate a jazz. I bought
a jazz for the first time because I've been on
the Ambrosias and then I had a jazz and I
immediately bit into it and I thought of you straight away.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Oh look you I do love my jazz. But there's
other ones. Now we've we've been introduced to a couple
of new once. God, I can't remember the latest one
was called, actually, but it was nice, Chris, crispy and good.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
It wasn't Ambrosia, was it, because those were.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
No, I don't think it was because I know those ones.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
No, there's a new It had a kind of a
gimmicky name, like you wouldn't necessarily like somebody was trying
to do a jazz but it was another kind of
gimmicky name.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
But I'll tell you next time I see you.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
The other one is the ruby red Kiwi Fruit, which
I'm which I'm all over at the moment. They look
like kind of they've got tamarillo middle, but the part
golden k that's so good.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Always a big heavy food guy, so he'll he'll want
to know about that.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Oh man, they're good. They've only been about a month
season and then they're gone. But they're like, oh they
nextly are so good for you.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, I like the black Doris blood plums out for
about two weeks.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
But yeah, anyway, enough enough, I thinks.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Thanks Neil, Jerry and Maniah. Catch the radio show from
six till ten weekdays, The Hidarchy Breakfast
The Hurdarky Breakfast Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Have you met Maniah, Neil Manaa?
Speaker 3 (00:04):
I don't know, but my grandson's name is Manayah. So
I'm very very happy to meet another Manaiah powerful.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Yes, I'm happy to hear grandson as well. With far
out numbered, there's far more female Manias than males.
Speaker 5 (00:17):
Yeah, I know there's a few. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
And the other thing that you would be well used to,
and unfortunately happens to our grandson and I too, is
that on the page it was written down as mania?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Oh god?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Yeah? Is that on his birth certificate?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
No, it's no, he's Manaiah, but he often gets you know,
like if people write his name, they often write mania.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
This happens to me almost daily, Neil. I tell them
that mania is a mental disorder, I would assume, and.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
I would sympathize with you, empathize.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Actually, yeah, it's all of the vowels. It's just I
think I believe Europeans get a bit freaked out when
they see three vowels together. It just makes us get you.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
And also now I had a connection from a lovely
woman in Sydney for this call, and she didn't know
how to say Horeki either, so it was kind of
gets quite confusing.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yeah, so often a lot of people think that I
we for an evy station, But I tell people when
they struggle with my name, like Mania Twain and then
and then it collecks for them.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
That's a good one. I'll tell our Maniah about that one.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yes, Mania Twain will serve them.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, Neil, who was it that made the initial call
to get the band back together?
Speaker 5 (01:30):
How did God?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I can't even actually remember the moment, except that we
did a thing last year in my studio where we
got together to kind of play for a while and
we invited the old members in. We were filming for
what potentially will be a split en Stoco, and we
just slipped into it so effortlessly and so easily that
it became some of the It became talked about, and
(01:51):
then somebody came to us with an offer. It was
for Electric Avenue. It was the offer that came through
management and it just felt like the right time. Somehow
it just clicked with the moment.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
So yeah, we.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Said yes to that, and then of course once we
had that was well, that one show is going to
be a bit weird.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Maybe we should do do a few more, you know, just.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
To get the old girl really up and running.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
What was what was a liter game like?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It was amazing we had It was the first show
on seventeenth year. It was our thousandth show. It's hard
to say that. Actually Noel reminded us somebody had told him,
but we had.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
And we played forty.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Thousand people on a size a stage the size of
you know, Coachella, and with our new costumes, and it
really went as well as we possibly could have hoped.
All the crowd was singing, they were sort of euphoric,
and I'd say a good proportion of them, if not
a majority, probably weren't even born when the songs were
first written. So it was just an amazing reminder of
(02:53):
how songs stay in the air and how they just
traveled through the years and accompany people and their good
times and they're bad times.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
And then we were able to enjoy it all together.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
It didn't feel different, you know, it felt like we
were on stage just like it had always been. And
you look out this audience and they all looked like
the same, you know, some of the some of the
people were old and you know, like.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Us, but some of them were lots of them were
real younger like they always were.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
You know, so many hits. How do you decide the
set list? Is that? Does that? Does one person end up?
Do you have to say? Okay? Well, in the end
we can all make sedestions and then I'm going to
have the final say or does someone have the power
of Vito?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, Tim probably would be the one who wrangled this
set list mostly, but we all, you know, waged in
for the ones that are the fringe dwellers. We knew
we only had an what was it of an eighty
minute set, so we were.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Able to do we banging out all of the hits and.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Then a few of the sort of songs that became
quite well known, like I think poor Boy doubt that
was ever a single, but it became very well known song,
and you know, things that were so we had to
decide on the ones that were slightly off to the side.
When we do a tour, which we're about to do,
we'll be enlarging the setlist. Tour are longer, so we'll
have got it five or six more songs to add,
(04:11):
so a few dip cuts, maybe a couple of the
old songs from the early days.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
But yeah, term is probably at the center of things.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
He sings, you know, more songs than I do, so
he wants to mistake his claim.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
But it was a pretty democratic band. There's a few.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Vetos here and there on on things, but yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
I've been very, very agreeable. We're getting on really well.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
You mentioned it was your thousandth show. Were you guys
aware of that before that show? Were you sitting on
nine nine nine things? Come on, we're going to get
one more on the record.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Surely?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
No, I mean, Noel was the one. And Nol is
not a statistics guy, you know, he's not. He sits
around and draws and and plays weird things with his
drum stix, but he doesn't normally look at the stats.
He came into rehearsal and said, yeah, do you guys.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Realize it's you know, a thousand shows coming up? We
hadn't known that, so yeah, phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So you've got obviously got Tim and you and Eddies
in there and Knowl's there, Man Eagles is in there
as well, and James Milne as well. Lawrence A. People
know him as Lawrence Arabia. So how did those guys go?
Because I imagine Matt and James would have been shitting their pants.
They're about to play with arguably the biggest New Zealand
(05:27):
band in history. Did you have any words to say
to them before they went out there, just to ease
the nerves or did you ramp it up on purpose?
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I had to give James a hug.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Not long before we went on because I was having
We actually had subtle makeup applied. We didn't do the
full crusty white theatrical makeup because we thought it would
look really bad halfway through the seat if we're all
sweating and the makeup was starting to peel and the
craps appearing, you know, So we went for some kind
of you know, it's more subtle makeup, more like what
you probably have on seven shows.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
A lot of cake it on and a lot.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Of just to smooth out the rough edges. You know.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
We stopped short of shots in the lips and you know, sorry,
now I've got off topic. Now getting my getting my
makeup done from a young lady in christ Church and
I looked out the window and James was just pacing
past the window, gulping huge gobs of the air, and
I sensed that he was on the verge of a
panic attack. So I went out and gave him a
(06:28):
nice big hug and told him everything was going to
be okay, and he played a blinder and he was fine.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
Once he got on stage. He was very nervous.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Matt I think was very nervous too, But Matt doesn't
he kind of he's quite inscrutable, you know, it doesn't
display it.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
James was clearly very very scared.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
It's freaky. It's a freaky thing. I mean, how's the
dynamic change. Obviously it's changed massively since you first arrived
in the band as a teenager. I mean you've got
a lot more clout nowadays. I imagine with not only
your brother, but with the other members of the band.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
A sort of all I'm still the youngest in Eddie's eyes.
He'll still every now and again motion for me to
sit on the floor, so because we're talking to but
I won't now. I used to, you know, that was
one of his party trips. Was a young fella on
the floor and he'd given me a talking to. But no,
it doesn't work anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Jerremy Wells and the Nias Stuet find them on Instagram
at Hodarki Breakfast. Jerry and Mania joined the complay the
Hodaki Breakfast discussion group on Facebook for more.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
What about your relationship with the songs you mentioned before?
You know, there's some songs that make the playlist, there's
some songs that get vetoed. Does that change over time
as well?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, there's discussion about you know, there's certain songs that
will be difficult for different reasons for different people. So
you know, there might be a song that's really hard
for Tim to sing the lyrics of because he doesn't
believe them anymore, or you know, there might be one
that Eddie says, there's no way I'll remember how to
play that, although he always is that, but he always
(08:00):
manages usually he's quite an extraordinary musician, as you'll you know,
people come to see us play. I hadn't forgotten, but
it was I was newly you know, acquainted with his
the wonder of his fancy foot fingerwork. It's just extraordinary,
you know, and he remembered everything.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
In the end. He did put his thumb out.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
He was in some kind of brace before we went on,
but it didn't seem to matter once we got on stage.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Where do you draw the line, like in terms of
solo stuff and crowded house stuff. Do you because people
be wanting you to bult out some crowded house stuff,
do you do you go there? Or do you not
go there?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
We don't need to because the crowded House are out
there doing it as well. So we have done a
couple I've done I Got you on stage with Crowded
House on you know, not every night, but some nights,
and I do Message to my girls some nights as well,
So we do keep some of a couple of those
songs alive. But no, the band is very distinct and
quite unique in its own way split in so I
don't think we would need who venture into any other territory.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
People are quite happy to get those.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
There's a full set of really well, you know, well
loved songs. So and we're still doing Crowded House and
loving that and made a new I've got a new
record on the go, so you know, life is full
and I'm very feeling, very grateful.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
So no, no covers in the city either. Is that
something you guys like to have a.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Crowd We've never we never.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
We occasionally had covers that were just sort of off
the cuff. Any used to do a pretty crazy version
of feelings that.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Feelings, but not the Dejah Voodoo song. I hope.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
No, I don't know that one. But I don't know.
There was a well known hit from America some American
artists feelings feelings, you know that song. Maybe it's before
your time.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Oh no, that's hard. I don't know if I do.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
I'm with you, girl, these feelings are love.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
It's a belter from the sixties or seventies, any that,
and an impossibly hide pitch and he can't really sing,
so it was quite entertaining its own way.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I interviewed Eddy not long ago, and he and he
was remaster Yeah, what was he remastering? He's well mastering.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
I think it was fifty colors, probably was.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And he and he said, I said, oh, is there
any any bits that you've just had to auto tune
Tim's voice? You know, any notes that Tim didn't hit?
And and he's like, well, there actually were a couple
of notes. And then when I spoke to him, I said,
you know that did He told me that there's a
couple of that. He said, I have never I have
never hit a flat I've never been flat. Never were
(10:43):
there with any moments I thought on stage, come on.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Tim, I wouldn't contradict him, and I would say on record,
I don't think we had such a thing as auto
tune in those days anyway, So I'd say on record,
there's not a single note that's been changed in any form.
You know, these in the studio, you never know what
you're listening to. Everyone's bolted down and tuned within an
inch of its life, but not me. I would actually
(11:07):
hasten to add I don't use auto tune either, but yeah, yeah,
there's no badge of honor for that. You don't get
sent to black for it or anything.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I think it's I think that's great. I think at
a time when there's a lot of computer stuff, I
think it's nice to have a human but you can
you just know there's something, there's something that you feel
that's human about something. It makes you, makes it, you
warm to it.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, and even tuning is you know.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I like some of my favorite vocalists people you swear
singing slightly out of tune. They're very strong, like you know,
Robert Smith and the Cure, maybe David Byrne, Neil Young,
all have that slightly wobbly thing where you do. I'm
not sure whether they're perfectly in tune, but somehow it
just has a beautiful, human, reassuring presence.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Do you feel like that's the way the music's going
to go? Because now there's so much you know, as
you say, auto tune, but even AI and stuff like that,
I feel like more and more people are going to
want to hear the imperfections in the music. That's sort
of what makes it goods the flub notes and the
slightly missed notes, singing and things like that.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
I hope, So, I hope that's the way.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I mean, certainly, no AI actually ever going to perform live.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Well, actually Aberra slightly AI now aren't they?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
But yeah, I mean it's live music is always going
to be great for that reason because people are going
to even though I've got to say, actually, even though
a lot of live gigs people are using auto tune,
and fact they're using tapes. Still, I think when there's
lots of dance moves to pull off, but we're not.
We've got no grid, we've got no click where it's
what you see is what you hear is what you get.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Hey, what happens after the shows. Are you guys getting
on it heavily? Did you feel like you needed to
tuck in after Electric Ev and Christ J?
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Yeah? The four works, Jeremy. We just went totally mad.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
We had like seventeen years of partying, shit done on
one night. So yeah, I mean, I think I think
I was. I think I saw good Night Kiwi.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
TV. Oh wow, I don't.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Think it even exists anymore? Does it?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Nothing ever stops anymore? This is the thing. Everything just
keeps going.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
It used to be the saddest thing moment on earth
when Good Night Kiwi came on. I thought that New
Zealand was going that it wasn't acceptable to be awake
after the TV finished.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
There's something about the hauntingness of the of the organ
as well. Yeah, it's it's beautiful though.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
It is beautiful and sad and melancholy, and I love
so it's sad and melancholy. But we used to come
at that point we were living in Australia and they
had all night movies and they had like Rage on
the weekends and everything, and we'd come back to New
Zealand and stay with sharon'smum and and then Good night Kiwi.
Come on, we were in a late cycle and we
just it just felt so sadah, better not to do.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
That's like I said, the sun come up after a
big night out. All right, right, that's.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Enough, right, Hey, hey Neil, lovely to chat to you
and and really looking forward to you seeing you guys play.
Thanks for chatting to us. It's always a great pleasure.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Thanks, Jeremy, Thanks Manya you have a good day.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Amazing Neil, Thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
Beers mate.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah, how then is going by the way, anytime you're
passing form, you know, an apple or a muffin?
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Jeremy, Ah, I thought.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Of you yesterday when I ate a jazz. I bought
a jazz for the first time because I've been on
the Ambrosias and then I had a jazz and I
immediately bit into it and I thought of you straight away.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Oh look you I do love my jazz. But there's
other ones. Now we've we've been introduced to a couple
of new once. God, I can't remember the latest one
was called, actually, but it was nice, Chris, crispy and good.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
It wasn't Ambrosia, was it, because those were.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
No, I don't think it was because I know those ones.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
No, there's a new It had a kind of a
gimmicky name, like you wouldn't necessarily like somebody was trying
to do a jazz but it was another kind of
gimmicky name.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
But I'll tell you next time I see you.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
The other one is the ruby red Kiwi Fruit, which
I'm which I'm all over at the moment. They look
like kind of they've got tamarillo middle, but the part
golden k that's so good.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Always a big heavy food guy, so he'll he'll want
to know about that.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Oh man, they're good. They've only been about a month
season and then they're gone. But they're like, oh they
nextly are so good for you.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, I like the black Doris blood plums out for
about two weeks.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
But yeah, anyway, enough enough, I thinks.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Thanks Neil, Jerry and Maniah. Catch the radio show from
six till ten weekdays, The Hidarchy Breakfast
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