August 2, 2026 âą 18 mins
Today the guys got to talk to Kiwi boxing legend Shane Cameron. He's got a new book out today called "Mountain Warrior".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Daily bespoke content that you won't find on the radio
show The Hurtarchy Breakfast Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Shane Cameron joins us in the studio. Get it, Shane,
how are you mon?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I'm great, Thank you, buddy, Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
You got to book out?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yes, yes, finally, well, well finally it's yeah. It took
a while to get it across the line anyway, from
me agreeing to like thinking I was worthy of a book.
So I had a couple of people who attacked me
over a few years. And then after reading a synopsis
of going, oh yeah, I can help kids that thought
they were dumb like me at school when I can
(00:34):
maybe inspire and think, oh yeah, if he thought of that,
well I sort of feel like that too, but might
inspire them to think, oh he he's achieved a couple
of things, and anyone can do.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It will take us back all the way to school.
And what you're saying that you thought you were dumb
at school? What what what happened? Paint us the picture?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, well I just wasn't good at reading and writing.
So when you're not good at reading and writing and
your struggle with all just everything that we was schooling,
you know, It's not like no one sat me down
and didn't go right out you're dummy, you know. You
put yourself and you put yourself in that own credit
and and your own category of of thinking that you're dumb,
you know, and think oh cool, And that's just that's
(01:18):
just what it is. Because I just knew around me
that there was pretty much everyone was smarter than me anyway,
you know, reading faster, finding words in the dictionary faster,
and I was just genuinely I just thought I was
just slower.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
But do any of them have a book now? Probably not.
I don't know if you saw about a good point
the politicians are talking about if there's a disruptive killing class,
they might bring in rules to where the teacher can
physically remove them from what happens if Shane Cameron's the
disruptive and actually, on that note, we were talking about
(01:52):
it earlier, I might get your thoughts. So I was
just showing these fellows how how I deal with the
with a disruptive killing class. That's sort of because what
I'm thinking is Shane.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Keeping an arm, reached keeping an arms, and so then
that and then when he comes in, you're gonna catch
with the upper coat.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
There you go, hey, just like that.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
It's it's quite technical today because you're keeping an arm
arms reaching and they think I need to get inside,
and when they again inside, you just like.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Caught them with the uppercut.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Oh my god, that's going to go viral.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
These guys are taking the first out of me.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
That's exactly as well. I see my strategy Shane, and
look and I was the exactly the same. I go,
arms reached under Hu's your reach advantage because you probably
have that over a kid. Yeah, but then i'd just
be hovering with the overhand right. Yeah, you see he's gone,
he's gone upper count when he comes on the inside.
I'm thinking, use your use your height advantage and coming
(02:46):
over the top, would you go upper cut or overhand? Right?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
But yeah, that's a good point that you make, Jeremy,
I think, because a safer shot would be coming over
the top, you know, and better an up cut of
that lands. It's it's it's it's not a good punch
to be caught on in the chin. But if it
doesn't land, then you're already open. Yeaheah.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
But it's risky.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's risky because where are you looking to land the
overhand where's the overhand right looking to land? Ideally?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Is it temple yeah, yeah, yeah, or temple jaw, whatever's
wherever the opening may be. You know, the head's only
sort of yeah, but anyway you're sort of aiming for,
you know, not on top of the head, because if
you see my handy, I've broken it seven times because
the first time I broke it was I landed on
top of right on top of it, the hard part
of Big Bob Murvits his head in Australia and it
(03:35):
just snapped. Yeah, so it just it doesn't much give.
So so so yeah I had the jaw.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Okay, so Big Bob Murvitch notoriously hard head. Yeah yeah,
just some some.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
People have hard Yeah, I reckon they do they? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I feel like nowadays there's so many different avenues for
for not just boxing but combat sports. You can do
the you know, gun scrap someone on down Hooker's back yard. Yeah,
you can get into the beer knuckles scenes blowing up
at the moment, there's the UFC. I feel like a
lot of that stuff was sort of still very early
when you were coming through. Would you've gotten involved in
any of that stuff?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, there's plenty of options out there if you want
to fight, you know, you don't need much skill. You
can go and jump in Dan Hawker's thing, and you know,
if you want a bit more skill than you can
jump in the cage and if you're going to use
your leagues, you can use your legs. But no, that
wasn't really a lot around when I was When I
was fighting, there was kickboxing, yep, but not MMA. Yeah no, no,
(04:30):
definitely no one minute scraps.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Would that have interested you at all? MMA? Or are
you a sweet science man?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, it's funny. I talked to my manager about it,
Kenny Rainsfield, he's a former Olympic middleist a couple of times,
so we talked about it towards the end of my career.
But then that was pretty much it because it was
in my hand. It's busted up so much, and then
we're going to use the MMA gloves, which is they're
four ounce you know, there's nothing to them, so I'm
all I can visualize is his hand just breaking even more,
(04:57):
you know, so.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Hard to keep punching some with your right hand when
it's broken. Yeah, yeah, that's not you don't want to
be doing that. No, no, no, When was it, Shane that
you discovered that you were that you had a gift
in boxing? How old were you and what got you
into it?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah? I got into it on my OI when I
flew to London after leaving farming, leaving shipping. I used
to ride a horse to work. I went to London
when I was nineteen watching some boxing over there. I
talk about a turning point and I was watching some boxing.
I was like, man, I'd love to give that sport
to go. Inspired by my grandfather, he boxed out of
Wellington in the late late nineteen twenties. So within a
couple of days when I found a local boxing club
(05:38):
and just started training, had my first fight the week
and my twentieth birthday, which is three months of training,
When did I find out?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I don't really don't.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I remember as a professional when I turned professional and
I was in Las Vegas and sparring some some bad
ass heavyweights, and I'm thinking, oh, I reckon, I could
go go somewhere in the sport. So that was probably
maybe a turning point. Then, yeah, what are you not
too much? The amateurs stuff? I just I didn't think
I was a good as much as amateur. I just
knew I was, you know, when I look back now,
(06:07):
I was very disciplined, very very dedicated and just did
whatever it takes. I went from drinking five six nights
a week in England to not drinking at all and
just focusing on training. And then, like anything, you only
get out what you put into something.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
And you've sparred with some of the some of the
you know, greatest of all time. And when you watch
those guys on TV, I think we think this all
the time as key as you see them on TV
and you go, oh, I could never do that. But
then you got on the ring with these dudes, and
then were you like, oh there's no magic here, Like
this is I can I could do this.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, that's a good point. Like I grateful to SPA.
I don't know whether it's grateful, Maybe it's grateful for me. Anyway,
I was faring the baddest man on the planet, Mike
Tyson for two weeks in Phoenix, Arizona.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
What was that like?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
It was mad? What are you? You gotta be kind
of careful there? Yeah. Yeah, he can punch quite hard.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, punch hard and fast, hard and fast and Yeah,
it was just like when you talk about, you know,
that experience. I went away from that because you know
who I thought Mike was and and he was that person,
and me surviving two weeks spaying him, you know, I
didn't get knocked out or didn't get seriously hurt. So
(07:13):
that brings a lot of confidence. You know, I'm thinking, man,
if I can survive sparring with Mike Tyson for two weeks, man,
I'm not intimidated by no where, I'm not scared of
knowing you know what I mean. That just brings you
a lot more confidence, and then then you view everyone
as like, I'm not scared of know one. I'm not
intimidated by you what you deliver, you know because in
the back of it, I sparred Mike Dyson for a
long period of time and I survived. Man a. You know,
(07:35):
even though he talks like a listening.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I think that's part of the reason that maybe he
became a great boxers because he probably spoke like that
at school all of a sudden, and people probably picked
on him.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
So you're saying that you're not scared when when you
are in the ring, is it is there fear I've
always wondered that, because you know what you're capable of,
you probably know how to protect yourself, you know how
to defend yourself. But is there is it?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
What?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
What are the feelings as you go into a professional
about what are you thinking?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, it's a big part of its psychological. It's like
how how confident are you when you're walking to the ring?
Are you thinking I'm going to take your business here?
Are you thinking, Oh, I hope I win? Well, if
you're thinking I hope I win, you're thinking the wrong Yeah,
you're thinking the wrong things. You're thinking, Man, you a
big change. You're going to lose this fight. So I
went in the rings ninety to ninety two times, you know,
(08:33):
and I thought some really good fighters, you know, and
they're not one, so that I was thinking I was
going to lose the fight.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, So and that was the confidence that I just
took from a lot of the training that I did
and just yeah, you know, probably my mind would be
my most powerful tool in terms of in boxing. But yeah,
it's nerves, you know, you know you understand nerves. For
my first AMATE fight, and I didn't really know what
I felt, what it was because it was like a
(08:59):
yucky feeling. But I was like, oh man, I'm scared.
Why am I skied? But it's probably you know, the
anxiety or nerves and all those things. But in life,
you just got to you just got to keep going.
You know, they're like, right, two fights to go, Shane,
and you're in three fights. I want two fights, one fight, Chane,
You're up next, and I'm like, oh no.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And then I'll get in the ring.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
And that was my first fight and I finished the
guy off in the first round and then I.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Was just like, oh man, this is awesome.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And then I fought again two weeks day and it
was the same thing.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Oh what am I feeling like this for?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
But and as time went on, it just got a
little bit more better at dealing with the nerves.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
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Speaker 2 (09:46):
How do you?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
How do you replace that when you retire? Because what
you're describing there the emotions that you're dealing with, the
intense I guess fear anxiety before you're walking out there,
then all of a sudden you're in the ring. It's probably,
I guess, just business. The fear probably evaporates a little
bit there in the exhilaration of winning, and then all
of a sudden when you decide that, you know, just
step away from the ring. Yeah, you don't really have
(10:08):
that in your everyday life. To you, no, you don't.
Nothing really compares to it.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
You know. They're the elation, the emotions and the nerves
and just there's so much involved with it. You know.
That's why I always say with a lot of corporate
boxing and people stepping into the ring for the very
first time, and I'll take my head off to them
win or lose their champions because the courage it takes
to step through the ropes and then perform, you know,
because a lot of people step through the ropes, but
they don't perform just because the psychological side got to
(10:35):
them too much and they just after the one round,
they just they didn't have anything else left in the think.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, too much adrenaline exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, Well, you know what it's like to win, because
you know, you've won most of the bouts that you've
been in your life, but you also know what it's
like to lose as well. Tell me about that feeling,
tell me what it's like to be to be really
badly beaten around, and you know, how do you come
back from them? Yeah, not only physically, mentally mentally.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah. Yeah, So probably the first one, as you're talking
as stands out, was my first loss as a professional.
So I no, I heard nineteen wins, so nineteen fights,
nineteen one's eighteen wins by knockout, and I thought Friday
a Hunnia and sky City is a guy that I
should have beaten. But man, it was a tough fight.
It was a tough fight, and I got cut quite
bad over both eyes up through the middle one under
(11:25):
my left eye, and I just couldn't see, you know.
But the guy was a good fighter too, you know.
I dropped in the twelfth round after thirty six minutes
of fighting, and then I got picked back up. Well,
I stood up to carry on fighting. Then I got
dropped the game and then the fight ended, and I'm like, oh, man,
I thought my world had ended, you know, because I
hadn't lost the fight in six years, so I hadn't
really felt a loss for such a long time. The
(11:49):
next day talking to my manager, you know, and he's
changed as a saying, it's not how you fall, it's
how you rise. And at the time I'm like, man,
I lost, I lost, I lost. I'm devastating minds. There's
seeds of doubt that go into your mind, thinking maybe
I'm not good enough, maybe I should retire, maybe I'm
no good you know, all of those things. You don't
forget that, you hay men the night before, you won't
(12:10):
rank them with a twelve heavyweight in the world, you know.
But yeah, so come back to that. And over time,
as time went on, I understood it's not how you fall,
you know, it's how your eyes. What's the most we
all fall in life. You don't have to be you
don't have to fall to be knocked down on the canvas,
but we fall in business, relationships, all of those things.
But it's just how you how you rice, you know,
how you come back. You know, in sport, you come
(12:32):
back for of us as stronger, more educated, more experience.
But you got to earn that, you know, in life
you just yeah, maybe make a better decision next time around.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
A Yeah, as a well, it's one thing to do
a shit radio show like we do every morning and
come back. But that's a different thing. When you're because boxing,
it's just you and your andes in front of ten
thousand people fighting another man. You know, that's a very
different thing than I just I don't know how. Yeah,
I don't know how people do it to us.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It just takes a certain type of person to do that,
you know. And I've been involved of coaching a few
people afterwards and just seeing how things operating. And I've
asked a few people, you know, what do you what
do you what are you thinking when you're walking to
the ring? You know, just what you asked Jeremy, you know,
and they're saying all these other things. I'm like what,
And so I asked David Too, Hey, he bro, what
are you walking? What are you thinking when you walk
(13:18):
into the ring? And he was the only one that said.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Cool, wow is that right?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Cool? All the all the other ones are like, oh yeah, ipe,
my family here and the mates.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I'm like what.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
David Too is like cool? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Man.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I'm like I'm like, yeah, yeah, well how does that feel?
Because you've been on the receiving a couple of those
massive punches and dude, I I how did you How
did physically? How did your hid come.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Back from that? Yeah? Man, this hid's pretty strong, pretty determined,
pretty you know, resilient. You know my goal, you know,
I've always had a strong goal, and my strong goal
is to fight for a world title. So me losing
the David tour Man, that put me right back to
the bottom of the picking order. I do earn my
right back to fight for a world title. But I
(14:14):
was willing to do whatever it took to fight for
the will title, So I thought David in two thousand
and nine, and then I managed to finally get my
will total shot after getting back off the horse dusty
myself off and getting back on the winning streak, which
was in twenty twelve.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, what does it feel like later? Because people, most
people knock on wood will never experience a massive punch
like any of the ones that you've taken your career,
is it What does that feel like?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Oh, it doesn't really feel like a knitling, isn't it. Yes,
Like if you come over and grab my skin on
my forearm and punch the oh you know, but if
you punch me in the face, it's like I'd be
like Oh, yeah, wouldn't bother me, you.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Know, right, that's what makes your boy.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
It'll be like, because what you do is you think
when you get caught with a good shot, it's like, oh, jeez,
we caught too many of those.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You know, you don't, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
You don't do that, grab your skin on your and
do that for you know, if they you on the
side of the face, well probably probably you know, I'm
in jeed on the side of the face for a
long time actually, So you get conditioned to it, and
you get used to it, and you just go When
you get hit, you're like, oh, I don't get caught
with too many of those. Maybe my range is not
that good on my hands. So you start thinking you're
(15:29):
dissecting the thing, that's why I got caught, you know.
And then you're snugger and they don't get caught those shots.
Man move around, you know, or maybe you're not fit
enough for or that there's a reason why you're getting
too many times.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, being a boxer and going out and about I mean,
it's one of those sports. There'll be people out there
who are like, I reckon, I could you know, Yeah,
I reckon if I keep my head off slide like
he's not that big. What's the difference between being a
professional boxer and being able to box? Like if some
(16:02):
dude came up to you, for example, and took a
couple of some dude drunk on a Friday night and thought,
you know what I can take Shane Cameron, how how
far away can you see those punches coming?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
You know?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Like, what's the difference between a professional fighter and some
kind of like scrapper on a Friday night?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, quite a big difference, Quite a big difference.
Like when I started in England, you know, and honestly
I used to fight on the weekends. Didn't even know
how to fight. It was all around alcohol, you know.
But when I started boxing, I went from drinking like
I say, four or five nights a week and then
fighting on the weekends just because alcohol.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And then these are not professional fights.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
It's like juicy pulling or something like yes, rubbish, yeah, just.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Being a dick.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And then started boxing and then you go, oh, man,
I can actually hurt someone, you know. And then as
time goes on, I'm pretty experienced and even though I'm older,
but I can see a lot of things coming. You're
just like you just see the twitch with someone's arm,
or or if someone goes like the man, I'll just
take a half a step back and they'll just probably
disiccate their shoulder because because.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
They won't land nothing on it.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I'll be like, can't down, make got so or if
you want to fight out so I'll make a startup
come out later.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, I think this is the I think this is
the thing. But it's one of those sports because everybody's
probably hit a scrap at some stage in their life
with it be with their brother or with the you know,
someone some random person. They all think that they probably
if they did the training, yeah, you know, that'd be
away laughing. But so it's a it's a different sort
of a.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Things massive massive. That'd be like me trying to I
used to use an analogy that like me trying to
have a kicking competition with Dan carniffal absolute joke. I'm
a professional fighter, Like I don't know how to kick
them born. You know, they'd be like that, don't be
a clown and you think you can win.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So Shane, what are you up to at the moment.
What's what's life like for you at the moment.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
You've got the gym Shank Heymer and Fitness on the
North Shore. I've got a boxing brand, uh Counterpine. Talk
of two boxing brands actually one one in all warehouse
stores throughout the country and another one just I sell online,
which is Yeah, I sort of cover local amital boxing
clubs around the place for amateur tournaments, boxing ring, so
I do the whole thing. You've got a couple other
(18:24):
projects that will be launching probably early next year that
I can't really say, but like, yeah, there's a few,
there's a few things. Yeah. My my, my brain doesn't
really slow down too much, so I always like to
keep busy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, Well, thanks for coming in and best of luck
with the book. I hope it sells well and it's
always lovely to chat.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Thanks, thanks for me, Thanks Tam, Jerry and Me and I
hatched the radio show from six weekdays, The Hodarkey Breakfast
Daily bespoke content that you won't find on the radio
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Shane Cameron joins us in the studio. Get it, Shane,
how are you mon?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I'm great, Thank you, buddy, Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
You got to book out?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yes, yes, finally, well, well finally it's yeah. It took
a while to get it across the line anyway, from
me agreeing to like thinking I was worthy of a book.
So I had a couple of people who attacked me
over a few years. And then after reading a synopsis
of going, oh yeah, I can help kids that thought
they were dumb like me at school when I can
(00:34):
maybe inspire and think, oh yeah, if he thought of that,
well I sort of feel like that too, but might
inspire them to think, oh he he's achieved a couple
of things, and anyone can do.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It will take us back all the way to school.
And what you're saying that you thought you were dumb
at school? What what what happened? Paint us the picture?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, well I just wasn't good at reading and writing.
So when you're not good at reading and writing and
your struggle with all just everything that we was schooling,
you know, It's not like no one sat me down
and didn't go right out you're dummy, you know. You
put yourself and you put yourself in that own credit
and and your own category of of thinking that you're dumb,
you know, and think oh cool, And that's just that's
(01:18):
just what it is. Because I just knew around me
that there was pretty much everyone was smarter than me anyway,
you know, reading faster, finding words in the dictionary faster,
and I was just genuinely I just thought I was
just slower.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
But do any of them have a book now? Probably not.
I don't know if you saw about a good point
the politicians are talking about if there's a disruptive killing class,
they might bring in rules to where the teacher can
physically remove them from what happens if Shane Cameron's the
disruptive and actually, on that note, we were talking about
(01:52):
it earlier, I might get your thoughts. So I was
just showing these fellows how how I deal with the
with a disruptive killing class. That's sort of because what
I'm thinking is Shane.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Keeping an arm, reached keeping an arms, and so then
that and then when he comes in, you're gonna catch
with the upper coat.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
There you go, hey, just like that.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
It's it's quite technical today because you're keeping an arm
arms reaching and they think I need to get inside,
and when they again inside, you just like.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Caught them with the uppercut.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Oh my god, that's going to go viral.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
These guys are taking the first out of me.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
That's exactly as well. I see my strategy Shane, and
look and I was the exactly the same. I go,
arms reached under Hu's your reach advantage because you probably
have that over a kid. Yeah, but then i'd just
be hovering with the overhand right. Yeah, you see he's gone,
he's gone upper count when he comes on the inside.
I'm thinking, use your use your height advantage and coming
(02:46):
over the top, would you go upper cut or overhand? Right?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
But yeah, that's a good point that you make, Jeremy,
I think, because a safer shot would be coming over
the top, you know, and better an up cut of
that lands. It's it's it's it's not a good punch
to be caught on in the chin. But if it
doesn't land, then you're already open. Yeaheah.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
But it's risky.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's risky because where are you looking to land the
overhand where's the overhand right looking to land? Ideally?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Is it temple yeah, yeah, yeah, or temple jaw, whatever's
wherever the opening may be. You know, the head's only
sort of yeah, but anyway you're sort of aiming for,
you know, not on top of the head, because if
you see my handy, I've broken it seven times because
the first time I broke it was I landed on
top of right on top of it, the hard part
of Big Bob Murvits his head in Australia and it
(03:35):
just snapped. Yeah, so it just it doesn't much give.
So so so yeah I had the jaw.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Okay, so Big Bob Murvitch notoriously hard head. Yeah yeah,
just some some.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
People have hard Yeah, I reckon they do they? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I feel like nowadays there's so many different avenues for
for not just boxing but combat sports. You can do
the you know, gun scrap someone on down Hooker's back yard. Yeah,
you can get into the beer knuckles scenes blowing up
at the moment, there's the UFC. I feel like a
lot of that stuff was sort of still very early
when you were coming through. Would you've gotten involved in
any of that stuff?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, there's plenty of options out there if you want
to fight, you know, you don't need much skill. You
can go and jump in Dan Hawker's thing, and you know,
if you want a bit more skill than you can
jump in the cage and if you're going to use
your leagues, you can use your legs. But no, that
wasn't really a lot around when I was When I
was fighting, there was kickboxing, yep, but not MMA. Yeah no, no,
(04:30):
definitely no one minute scraps.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Would that have interested you at all? MMA? Or are
you a sweet science man?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, it's funny. I talked to my manager about it,
Kenny Rainsfield, he's a former Olympic middleist a couple of times,
so we talked about it towards the end of my career.
But then that was pretty much it because it was
in my hand. It's busted up so much, and then
we're going to use the MMA gloves, which is they're
four ounce you know, there's nothing to them, so I'm
all I can visualize is his hand just breaking even more,
(04:57):
you know, so.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Hard to keep punching some with your right hand when
it's broken. Yeah, yeah, that's not you don't want to
be doing that. No, no, no, When was it, Shane that
you discovered that you were that you had a gift
in boxing? How old were you and what got you
into it?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah? I got into it on my OI when I
flew to London after leaving farming, leaving shipping. I used
to ride a horse to work. I went to London
when I was nineteen watching some boxing over there. I
talk about a turning point and I was watching some boxing.
I was like, man, I'd love to give that sport
to go. Inspired by my grandfather, he boxed out of
Wellington in the late late nineteen twenties. So within a
couple of days when I found a local boxing club
(05:38):
and just started training, had my first fight the week
and my twentieth birthday, which is three months of training,
When did I find out?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I don't really don't.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I remember as a professional when I turned professional and
I was in Las Vegas and sparring some some bad
ass heavyweights, and I'm thinking, oh, I reckon, I could
go go somewhere in the sport. So that was probably
maybe a turning point. Then, yeah, what are you not
too much? The amateurs stuff? I just I didn't think
I was a good as much as amateur. I just
knew I was, you know, when I look back now,
(06:07):
I was very disciplined, very very dedicated and just did
whatever it takes. I went from drinking five six nights
a week in England to not drinking at all and
just focusing on training. And then, like anything, you only
get out what you put into something.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
And you've sparred with some of the some of the
you know, greatest of all time. And when you watch
those guys on TV, I think we think this all
the time as key as you see them on TV
and you go, oh, I could never do that. But
then you got on the ring with these dudes, and
then were you like, oh there's no magic here, Like
this is I can I could do this.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, that's a good point. Like I grateful to SPA.
I don't know whether it's grateful, Maybe it's grateful for me. Anyway,
I was faring the baddest man on the planet, Mike
Tyson for two weeks in Phoenix, Arizona.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
What was that like?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
It was mad? What are you? You gotta be kind
of careful there? Yeah. Yeah, he can punch quite hard.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, punch hard and fast, hard and fast and Yeah,
it was just like when you talk about, you know,
that experience. I went away from that because you know
who I thought Mike was and and he was that person,
and me surviving two weeks spaying him, you know, I
didn't get knocked out or didn't get seriously hurt. So
(07:13):
that brings a lot of confidence. You know, I'm thinking, man,
if I can survive sparring with Mike Tyson for two weeks, man,
I'm not intimidated by no where, I'm not scared of
knowing you know what I mean. That just brings you
a lot more confidence, and then then you view everyone
as like, I'm not scared of know one. I'm not
intimidated by you what you deliver, you know because in
the back of it, I sparred Mike Dyson for a
long period of time and I survived. Man a. You know,
(07:35):
even though he talks like a listening.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I think that's part of the reason that maybe he
became a great boxers because he probably spoke like that
at school all of a sudden, and people probably picked
on him.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
So you're saying that you're not scared when when you
are in the ring, is it is there fear I've
always wondered that, because you know what you're capable of,
you probably know how to protect yourself, you know how
to defend yourself. But is there is it?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
What?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
What are the feelings as you go into a professional
about what are you thinking?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, it's a big part of its psychological. It's like
how how confident are you when you're walking to the ring?
Are you thinking I'm going to take your business here?
Are you thinking, Oh, I hope I win? Well, if
you're thinking I hope I win, you're thinking the wrong Yeah,
you're thinking the wrong things. You're thinking, Man, you a
big change. You're going to lose this fight. So I
went in the rings ninety to ninety two times, you know,
(08:33):
and I thought some really good fighters, you know, and
they're not one, so that I was thinking I was
going to lose the fight.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, So and that was the confidence that I just
took from a lot of the training that I did
and just yeah, you know, probably my mind would be
my most powerful tool in terms of in boxing. But yeah,
it's nerves, you know, you know you understand nerves. For
my first AMATE fight, and I didn't really know what
I felt, what it was because it was like a
(08:59):
yucky feeling. But I was like, oh man, I'm scared.
Why am I skied? But it's probably you know, the
anxiety or nerves and all those things. But in life,
you just got to you just got to keep going.
You know, they're like, right, two fights to go, Shane,
and you're in three fights. I want two fights, one fight, Chane,
You're up next, and I'm like, oh no.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
And then I'll get in the ring.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
And that was my first fight and I finished the
guy off in the first round and then I.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Was just like, oh man, this is awesome.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And then I fought again two weeks day and it
was the same thing.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Oh what am I feeling like this for?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
But and as time went on, it just got a
little bit more better at dealing with the nerves.
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Speaker 2 (09:46):
How do you?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
How do you replace that when you retire? Because what
you're describing there the emotions that you're dealing with, the
intense I guess fear anxiety before you're walking out there,
then all of a sudden you're in the ring. It's probably,
I guess, just business. The fear probably evaporates a little
bit there in the exhilaration of winning, and then all
of a sudden when you decide that, you know, just
step away from the ring. Yeah, you don't really have
(10:08):
that in your everyday life. To you, no, you don't.
Nothing really compares to it.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
You know. They're the elation, the emotions and the nerves
and just there's so much involved with it. You know.
That's why I always say with a lot of corporate
boxing and people stepping into the ring for the very
first time, and I'll take my head off to them
win or lose their champions because the courage it takes
to step through the ropes and then perform, you know,
because a lot of people step through the ropes, but
they don't perform just because the psychological side got to
(10:35):
them too much and they just after the one round,
they just they didn't have anything else left in the think.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, too much adrenaline exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, Well, you know what it's like to win, because
you know, you've won most of the bouts that you've
been in your life, but you also know what it's
like to lose as well. Tell me about that feeling,
tell me what it's like to be to be really
badly beaten around, and you know, how do you come
back from them? Yeah, not only physically, mentally mentally.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah. Yeah, So probably the first one, as you're talking
as stands out, was my first loss as a professional.
So I no, I heard nineteen wins, so nineteen fights,
nineteen one's eighteen wins by knockout, and I thought Friday
a Hunnia and sky City is a guy that I
should have beaten. But man, it was a tough fight.
It was a tough fight, and I got cut quite
bad over both eyes up through the middle one under
(11:25):
my left eye, and I just couldn't see, you know.
But the guy was a good fighter too, you know.
I dropped in the twelfth round after thirty six minutes
of fighting, and then I got picked back up. Well,
I stood up to carry on fighting. Then I got
dropped the game and then the fight ended, and I'm like, oh, man,
I thought my world had ended, you know, because I
hadn't lost the fight in six years, so I hadn't
really felt a loss for such a long time. The
(11:49):
next day talking to my manager, you know, and he's
changed as a saying, it's not how you fall, it's
how you rise. And at the time I'm like, man,
I lost, I lost, I lost. I'm devastating minds. There's
seeds of doubt that go into your mind, thinking maybe
I'm not good enough, maybe I should retire, maybe I'm
no good you know, all of those things. You don't
forget that, you hay men the night before, you won't
(12:10):
rank them with a twelve heavyweight in the world, you know.
But yeah, so come back to that. And over time,
as time went on, I understood it's not how you fall,
you know, it's how your eyes. What's the most we
all fall in life. You don't have to be you
don't have to fall to be knocked down on the canvas,
but we fall in business, relationships, all of those things.
But it's just how you how you rice, you know,
how you come back. You know, in sport, you come
(12:32):
back for of us as stronger, more educated, more experience.
But you got to earn that, you know, in life
you just yeah, maybe make a better decision next time around.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
A Yeah, as a well, it's one thing to do
a shit radio show like we do every morning and
come back. But that's a different thing. When you're because boxing,
it's just you and your andes in front of ten
thousand people fighting another man. You know, that's a very
different thing than I just I don't know how. Yeah,
I don't know how people do it to us.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It just takes a certain type of person to do that,
you know. And I've been involved of coaching a few
people afterwards and just seeing how things operating. And I've
asked a few people, you know, what do you what
do you what are you thinking when you're walking to
the ring? You know, just what you asked Jeremy, you know,
and they're saying all these other things. I'm like what,
And so I asked David Too, Hey, he bro, what
are you walking? What are you thinking when you walk
(13:18):
into the ring? And he was the only one that said.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Cool, wow is that right?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Cool? All the all the other ones are like, oh yeah, ipe,
my family here and the mates.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I'm like what.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
David Too is like cool? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Man.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I'm like I'm like, yeah, yeah, well how does that feel?
Because you've been on the receiving a couple of those
massive punches and dude, I I how did you How
did physically? How did your hid come.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Back from that? Yeah? Man, this hid's pretty strong, pretty determined,
pretty you know, resilient. You know my goal, you know,
I've always had a strong goal, and my strong goal
is to fight for a world title. So me losing
the David tour Man, that put me right back to
the bottom of the picking order. I do earn my
right back to fight for a world title. But I
(14:14):
was willing to do whatever it took to fight for
the will title, So I thought David in two thousand
and nine, and then I managed to finally get my
will total shot after getting back off the horse dusty
myself off and getting back on the winning streak, which
was in twenty twelve.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, what does it feel like later? Because people, most
people knock on wood will never experience a massive punch
like any of the ones that you've taken your career,
is it What does that feel like?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Oh, it doesn't really feel like a knitling, isn't it. Yes,
Like if you come over and grab my skin on
my forearm and punch the oh you know, but if
you punch me in the face, it's like I'd be
like Oh, yeah, wouldn't bother me, you.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Know, right, that's what makes your boy.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
It'll be like, because what you do is you think
when you get caught with a good shot, it's like, oh, jeez,
we caught too many of those.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You know, you don't, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
You don't do that, grab your skin on your and
do that for you know, if they you on the
side of the face, well probably probably you know, I'm
in jeed on the side of the face for a
long time actually, So you get conditioned to it, and
you get used to it, and you just go When
you get hit, you're like, oh, I don't get caught
with too many of those. Maybe my range is not
that good on my hands. So you start thinking you're
(15:29):
dissecting the thing, that's why I got caught, you know.
And then you're snugger and they don't get caught those shots.
Man move around, you know, or maybe you're not fit
enough for or that there's a reason why you're getting
too many times.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, being a boxer and going out and about I mean,
it's one of those sports. There'll be people out there
who are like, I reckon, I could you know, Yeah,
I reckon if I keep my head off slide like
he's not that big. What's the difference between being a
professional boxer and being able to box? Like if some
(16:02):
dude came up to you, for example, and took a
couple of some dude drunk on a Friday night and thought,
you know what I can take Shane Cameron, how how
far away can you see those punches coming?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
You know?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Like, what's the difference between a professional fighter and some
kind of like scrapper on a Friday night?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, quite a big difference, Quite a big difference.
Like when I started in England, you know, and honestly
I used to fight on the weekends. Didn't even know
how to fight. It was all around alcohol, you know.
But when I started boxing, I went from drinking like
I say, four or five nights a week and then
fighting on the weekends just because alcohol.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And then these are not professional fights.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
It's like juicy pulling or something like yes, rubbish, yeah, just.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Being a dick.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
And then started boxing and then you go, oh, man,
I can actually hurt someone, you know. And then as
time goes on, I'm pretty experienced and even though I'm older,
but I can see a lot of things coming. You're
just like you just see the twitch with someone's arm,
or or if someone goes like the man, I'll just
take a half a step back and they'll just probably
disiccate their shoulder because because.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
They won't land nothing on it.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I'll be like, can't down, make got so or if
you want to fight out so I'll make a startup
come out later.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, I think this is the I think this is
the thing. But it's one of those sports because everybody's
probably hit a scrap at some stage in their life
with it be with their brother or with the you know,
someone some random person. They all think that they probably
if they did the training, yeah, you know, that'd be
away laughing. But so it's a it's a different sort
of a.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Things massive massive. That'd be like me trying to I
used to use an analogy that like me trying to
have a kicking competition with Dan carniffal absolute joke. I'm
a professional fighter, Like I don't know how to kick
them born. You know, they'd be like that, don't be
a clown and you think you can win.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
So Shane, what are you up to at the moment.
What's what's life like for you at the moment.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
You've got the gym Shank Heymer and Fitness on the
North Shore. I've got a boxing brand, uh Counterpine. Talk
of two boxing brands actually one one in all warehouse
stores throughout the country and another one just I sell online,
which is Yeah, I sort of cover local amital boxing
clubs around the place for amateur tournaments, boxing ring, so
I do the whole thing. You've got a couple other
(18:24):
projects that will be launching probably early next year that
I can't really say, but like, yeah, there's a few,
there's a few things. Yeah. My my, my brain doesn't
really slow down too much, so I always like to
keep busy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, Well, thanks for coming in and best of luck
with the book. I hope it sells well and it's
always lovely to chat.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Thanks, thanks for me, Thanks Tam, Jerry and Me and I
hatched the radio show from six weekdays, The Hodarkey Breakfast
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