June 10, 2024 • 31 mins
On the Daily Bespoke podcast today, the fellas discuss the ways broadcasters receive feedback now, compared to the late 90's...
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Speaker 3 (01:25):
He is a ways sick, so sick. We just did
an entire show, didn't We fellas on our own without
many for the first time in a very very long time.
The only time we could think about him having a
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Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, we were trying to get rid of him when
he had COVID, like we were trying to, but it
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Speaker 4 (01:49):
Didn't He test in the office that came in one
day felt terrible, came in the next day was worse,
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then he suddenly he was like, oh that's right.
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God, he's an admirable character. He loves his job, Maddie.
He loves his job and does.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Not like to take a day off and no war
and for that, Yeah, he's got a good work effic.
So the other thing about it was that he hadn't
had COVID. He was like the one person who hadn't
had it right, yeah, and he was saying, oh, I
can't get it. I can't get it. I can't get it.
And the moment that you start saying that, of course,
the universe has a very good way of bringing you
down to earth and giving you COVID. And he got
quite hard by it. I think he battled his way
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through it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean, it's hard to not talk about COVID. Now.
We were just talking before we started this podcast, when
we felt as we were starting, why were we reflecting
on COVID? For some reason, it came up in conversation.
We were having a look back before we started recording
and having a talk about that kind of twenty to
twenty twenty one time. I mean, maybe it is a
bit of a two depressing topic.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I was like, tesday, do you know what when I
don't think we should talk about it because for me,
it's like some kind of fever dream.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
That I had. That's the past what it's like.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And it was. I know, there's a lot of people
that saying it was such a good time because it's like, oh, yeah, okay,
but I mean you can because we've got to stay
at home and bake, so you can do that anytime
you want, all right. The option now is that you
can't stay at home and bake, or you can go
out and hang out with your friends, or you can
go over the seas if you want, or you can
travel around the country or do whatever you want to do.
You can do all those things, whereas during that time
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everybody was being forced. Anyway, let's not get into do you.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Think okay, instead of reflecting on maybe quite a sad
time looking forward, do you think we maybe learning anything
as a country.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I don't think we're ever going to do any of
that crap again that way, Are we put it that way?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
No? Anyway?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Oh yeah, I think too many people would push back
against the rules now. They wouldn't be able to control
it the way that it was, Especially in that first
one it was it was also trying to rainbows.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
And then we were just I think they were. And
the second one we had the protests and all that
kind of stuff in Wellington, our first time, a different worlds.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Well, nobody knew what was what was going on. God,
that was a weird time. And as we've said, of course,
it's huge effects that continue on. I mean, the ripples
continue and they will for many many years. Oh, they
will continue forever now, I mean it continues inside of
people and children and also so it keeps going.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I mean there's industry is like one that you work in, Jerry.
That radio and television media in general are feeling the
ripples pretty hard right about now? Oh yeah, that time
and as it's very clear and the new cycle and
things like that, it's going to be like that for
a long time. Anyway. You are you away last week?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Filming Taskmaster?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah? How did that go? Do you want me to
tell you exactly who ws? And I'll go through every
task and I'll tell you what I judged everybody if
you want, would you mind? I mean, I'm not going
to watch it, so it's nice to know I've never
watched it, to be fair? Is it good?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Is it worth watching?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
No, you've never watched it. You've never watched Task Master?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Nah, it's supportive work mates, Thanks.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
A lot, mate, this is this is the fifth season
and you haven't watched one single show.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, why haven't you asked me to be contestant yet?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Jerry? Wow?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I mean do you I'll watch it if I start,
I'll watch it if I'm on it there you go.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Wow, it too late now?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Is that so? Is that the rule that you normally
apply to all television programs TV? You have to be
on them to watch them.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
That's why it was on Plas ten seven, Wasn't it matter?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And that's why I sport pusses me off because I'm
not out there.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I run the opposite. I'd rather I will watch something
if I'm not on it. I won't watch something if
I'm on it. It's you know what it is?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Do you know what the show is, how a task
Master works?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, of course I do.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
My family in all seriously, that are big fans, my
mother and my father, especially Lagish task Master.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That's good family viewing.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
That is good family.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Viewing, isn't it. And I've definitely caught a couple of episodes.
But what I didn't understand about Task Master until recently,
and Jerry, you might be able to explain this to me,
and there'd be people listening right now that are one
of these people. But task Master fans are quite interesting.
There is this task mass it's the universe that has
kind of evolved over the last few years because of
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the UK's version of success and then now also internationally
it's had some success. Like there's rid of pages and
forums that are so deep on the world of Taskmaster.
Do you find yourself in those holes at all? Never interesting?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I've never read anything about it. Well, it's not you
don't want to read things about yourself, do you even? Inevitably? No? No,
because I'm look, what happens in those situations is that
you do the job as well as you can, but
also you're well aware that you know you're not doing
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it brilliantly, you know. I mean, if you think that
you've done a job when you're going, oh my god,
that was just absolutely amazing, I'm going to head to
social media to back up my feelings of how I
feel about my own performance. I mean, you were living it,
you were watching it through your eyes. You know every
bit that you did well, and you know every bit
that you could have done better, and you know you
know why, you know the reasons for all of those things.
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It's like, why would you go to why would you
go to see a whole lot of views of people
who weren't there and don't know. Now, I hear what
you're saying, what you already know.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
But you know, Jerry, that that's how people operate, and
you make it sound like that that's a silly thing
to do. There's a silly thing to be watching what
you do back and stuff like that. But that's what
most people do do. And I'm not saying it's the
right thing to do, because what you're saying is definitely
the right thing to do. But you care a lot
less than other people do. I think there's a lot
of people out there that would be on shows like
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Taskmaster and then fall down holes of reading things about
themselves and all that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well, I care a lot, and I think when you
read something and it reinforces your feelings on it, but
you just hope that people didn't notice, then you go,
oh god, everybody notices on I'm a complete failure and
just makes you feel thinking. Interestingly, one of the task
Master comedians who's on the season, we're having this exact
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same chat, and she spoiler alert, said do you read
because she knew about the hordes of Taskmaster fans who
just pour over everything, And I mean they do things
like they write Taskmaster fan fiction, like like fiction and
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stuff using the contestants. Yeah, it's it's pretty interesting. I
think the Taskmaster fans are more likely to be on
the spectrum than any fan of you any other television show. Interesting,
I think personally of the people that I've met over
the years. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but
that's just an observation that I've made. So she was
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saying to me, what do you do in terms of
people's criticism Marine, and I said, well, I just don't.
I just think it's probably a good idea not to
read it, because you do your best in the situation
at the time, and then it's filmed and then it's edited.
Other people are trying to make you look as good
as they possibly can, or other people are making you
casting in a certain way to add to the program
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and the overall vibe of the program. You've got to
have a mad, glad, sad and a bad on any panel,
on any cast, on any TV show. Otherwise it doesn't work. Sorry,
what a mad glad, glad, sad and bad. So when
you're casting television in terms of reality, I think it's
kind of pretty common knowledge that you've that you to
create Jeopardy within the show, you can't have everybody being
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the same type of person.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I mean, that makes sense. To me, But I didn't
know that there was this kind of mad, said, glad
bad theory out there. So is that what you kind
of try and construct a panel around when.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You're well, Yeah, every successful every successful reality show has
those elements. Sometimes they've come across it by mistake. Sometimes
sometimes the people who are casting it are really smart
and know what they're doing. In terms of task Master,
they know what they're doing. So you need someone who's mad.
So someone's a bit crazy. And I know that's not
a word that you meant to use anymore, but we
all understand what that means. So mad, glad, see person
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who's really really happy. Bad. So someone who's kind of
an angry person who the audience might hate. Mm hmmm,
did I say sad? Mad glad? Sad said and bad?
So it's sad as well. So someone who's a little
bit emotional, like an emotional character interesting, it is more
likely to show their emotional real emotions, a crier, bit
(10:20):
of a victim. So I mean, I'm looking at each
Taskmaster caster and now if those people are listening to
this podcast, they'll be like, wonder if I was the
sad person or the mad person? Doesn't have to be
much of that in the character, because ultimately you still
in Taskmaska, You've got to be funny. But it helps
to have a difference in character, and if you think
about them in that way, then it's a good way
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of creating balance.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Just back to what you were saying before about reading
feedback on yourself, was that always the way that you've
been I mean, you've been around television for so long,
and you know, have a can use boy days. There's
a lot of work that you've made that I don't know,
Jerry might have caused a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Of a backlash. I first started, the only way that
people could communicate with you was via email or of
course just come in and facts.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Hmmm, so a letter, yes, a lot more letters, yeah,
of course.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
So if you were receiving negative feedback about something contificially
you've done with Havoc or whatever it was, I don't
know if it's any media lunch or whatever, or that
big breekfast. I suppose it's a little bit later in
time and closer to cell phones, but in social media.
But so if you weren't consuming any of that stuff
that was coming in.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Well, do you know, back in the day. It took
so much effort to send in something negative via letter.
You'd have to get a pen and a paper, and
then you'd have to write it, and then you'd have
to get an envelope and you'd have to get a stamp,
and it would cost you forty five cents and then
you'd have to send it away. So to do that
required a certain amount of love, really and care, because
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if you didn't care, then you wouldn't be bothered to
do it. So and then email came along and it
became a little bit less hard, so you found there
was more. So I can tell you that from when
I started in the media in the mid nineties only
ninety six. In those days, you only really received positive
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stuff via mail, and we used to receive probably five
maybe maybe five pieces of correspondence a day in those days,
quite a lot. And you'd get mail that would come
around TVNS and you'd get all these letters from people
and people had send you stuff. It was really cool, actually,
I kept a lot of it. And then and then
email came along in the late nineties, and then you'd
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still mainly get positive stuff that came through, but you'd
occasionally get a negative thing and then I witnessed the
change probably and then then people stopped writing letters in
the two thousands, and then it was only emails and
it started balancing a little bit more between positive and negative.
And then, interestingly, I reckon the comments on the bottom
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of reviews is the first time that I really saw
people who were putting in very little effort to write
negative things about people. So it became way more at
that point. So the lower the barrier became too, correspondence,
the more negative comments that you got.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Okay, what about back in the day though, and I
think it was a segment that used to be on
various incarnations of the Havoc Show was the TVNZ phone logs. Ah,
that's how people is that how people used to complain. Yes,
ceased to ring the receptionist. Yeah, the receptionists would type
it up and pass it on, did you guys, because
obviously you had a segment where I think mainly Mikey
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would read it out and sometimes you as well.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yes, the phone locks. It was called the phone it
was called yeah, the TVNS We used to read the
tv Z phone locks.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Now, because I remember when I first started in the media,
which was like late two thousands, and I could see
the TV three phone logs, and that was the next
couple of years. You could actually see a real drop
off and the number of people that were ringing up
and complaining. Yeah, which sort of you know, intersects with
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the start of social media young with the reviews, yep, totally,
and suddenly people became more faceless.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
You could say the negative things about how much you
hated certain media people, and instead of having to put
your name to it and your number to it, you
could just in fact, people just use fake fake names.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Well that's right, I suppose people did that as well,
Like you can't handle the truth sixty four at you know,
who's a commenter on stuff, and all of a sudden
the stuff comment is with pseudonyms. I've always thought, to
be honest, that all the worst things happen anonymously in
the media, so talkback used to be a thing that
you could do anonymously. It just encourages people. They don't
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put their face or their name to things. They can
make a comment without actually anything really coming back at them,
whereas if you are, say a named person, if someone
knows who you are and then you make a comment publicly.
People know they can put a face to it. They
can it can follow you around a little bit. I
think the anonymous part of it is the dangerous part,
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and I think you can you can sort of do
it through social media, I suppose, but generally you're doing
it through a name, aren't you.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
There was there used to be back in the day.
I used to listen to Murraydeker a lot as a
late teen early twenties, and there was this took back
caller that was always called Mark and he had this
kind of kind of Australian accent, but he was always very,
very opinionated, and he used to get recognized out and about,
and he changed his name to Zay seriously because he
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was sick of people harassing him for having an opinion
on Murray Decer's show.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Right. He was one of those guys that would call
up and really lay into the All Blacks if they
lost or something.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
It was yeah, and to be fear from memory. I
think it was actually quite onto it not just like
all Black stuck and that was that was his whole argument.
But yeah, he just got sick of people coming up
to him and wanted to punish him in the pub
to change the name to Zayn, but then, funnily enough,
centered exactly the same. So if you'd and for longer
than about five or six months, you knew who they go.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Well, wouldn't you just change your name from? Like, why
would you ever talk back? Why would you call talkback
and use your real name? I thought everybody used the pseudonym.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Bombshell. Let's come back in a moment.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
A bombshell? Is it?
Speaker 5 (16:16):
So?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I haven't got their broke button ready?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Welcome back, we're talking talk back.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I've actually got a question for you, Jerry, and maybe
you read directly for the minute, because you've been around
long enough for this as well. So this is kind
of back to the feedback thing that's being left by
listeners in the way that it's changed over time. Broadcasters
now and I don't think this is a secret very
worried about what people have to say about them, and
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that's and that's fair. At what point did it change,
Durick and from? Because when you started, Jerry, it was
like broadcasting was very much an art.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
And people took it very seriously. But you got into
it don't been an art. You got into it because
you thought whether or not it was funny or not.
Who was the names that come into my mind right now.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
The sign off you doing seven sharp Paul Holmes is
you were actually quite fascinated in the way that he broadcasted.
It makes it sound winky, and I apologize using that wit,
But what I'm saying is you got into it because
you liked broadcasting, and you thought it was interesting and
you thought it was the techniques were interesting and all
that kind of stuff. And I think that's how most
people felt when it was like late nineties, and then
all of a sudden feedback started coming along, and now
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people are broadcasting not really for themselves, they're broadcasting for
other people.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, okay, So what are you saying exactly? You're saying
that particulating this. Are you saying that back in the
day people used to do it for I think people
always did it for the audience.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yes, I think what I'm trying to figure out here
is at what point did it switch from the people
on social media and stuff like that have been able
to have an opportunity to give some feedback towards the show.
When did that become a real concern for TV shows
and broadcasters. So there were do you know what I mean,
Like at one point, I'm sure in the late nineties
and early two thousands, there was a time where you're
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making TV shows and it was in a room and
you were discussing ideas, and you're making them for people,
no doubt, and to entertain people. But it was just
what they're only kind of really opinions that mattered with
whatever is in the room and you're making them and
stuff like that. But now it just feels like there's
so much feedback coming into these people. It is rattling
a lot of broadcasters. Well what do you reckon, reader,
I reckon that. Back in the day, people like programmers.
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So the people who employed the broadcasters awfully wood to questions. Sorry,
I haven't figured this out in my head.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Even it's okay though we're on a podcast, we're fleshing
things out. It's just it's all ideas. So I think
back in the day, programmers used to listen to the
show and they used to think whether or not it
was a good show based on their own experience. So
this is the program, this is the people who are
our bosses, you know. And then they used to look
at the ratings as well, and they'd say, is that
a popular show? Is this person a good broadcaster? And
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then they'd get a little bit of feedback every now
and then, but that would be about it. But they'd
generally go on their own gut of experience of what
they thought was good and what wasn't. And the same
thing was probably with the music that they used to
play on radio shows and stuff. It would be it
was not science. There was no science to it. It
was all gut and what people thought, and it was
probably a little bit of a little bit of learning
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around that. You start the hour with a banger, and
you know, there was probably a bit of that sort
of stuff. There's a bit of science involved at the time,
but the feedback was probably not a key part of it.
And then I think those people, those programmers probably started
to have to justify their decisions a little bit more.
And if people started to question it publicly and there
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was more open forum to that public feedback, which they became,
maybe then at that point they had to justify it
to the people above them, and so they would then
have to try and hope that the feedback that was
coming back was in line with their thinking as well, yeah,
do you have. Actually, they couldn't go across. I couldn't
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go against what was at that stage overt public opinion
because before that, where did the public opinion come from?
Letters to the editor.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, well, just as you are someone that was making
the TV show. I think this is what I'm trying
to say. Does the weight of a negative comment now
compared to what it would Did they have the same
weight back then?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Oh? I think it was more because you'd get a letter,
so it was someone to write a horrible letter. Like
I remember, you'd get occasional letters from someone who has
clearly hated you, but otherwise they wouldn't put enough time
into writing a letter. Nowadays, someone can just watch something
and think, I don't think that's funny, and then they'll
just text you and then we get it funny. Do
you we get that regularly? And it's like, you know,
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it doesn't take much effort. So I think you take
the weight of the you take the weight of the
effort that it takes for the person to make the
comment with the comment, so you've got to weigh it up.
I think that's what I was just trying to explore.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
It's just funny that now it's easier to give feedback
than ever and the comments that are coming in should
mean far less than they used to. But it just
doesn't really feel that way. I don't think to a
lot of people.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, I mean well, I think as you get older
as well, you get thicker skin, and you have to
have thick skin if you're going to be in broadcasting.
I mean there's no point. You can't be a person
who's who's thin skinnedn be a broadcaster that's this This
is not the job for you. It's just that simple.
I mean that that might sound harsh, but I really
believe that. So Massa Jerry just said, this is not
the job for you. So I trant to pack your stuff.
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I still get rid of older. It's not a nice feeling.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
If you get a text, is it or a message
saying you know a bit of a shitter to day?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Mate, Well you've got to ask yourself from my day
are having Are you having a shudder? Well?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Hang on, are you saying that I should actually have
a look at this feedback and go maybe you are?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Well if you know it to be true, right, you
know that you've had a shutter and you go, yeah,
I had a shudder. Okay, I had a shudder. Everyone
has shitters. What's wrong with that? Everybody has a shuitter?
I mean everybody who goes to work and goes and
does their job has a shuitterer. The fact that you
have a slightly more public shitter means you have to
have thicker skin.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
If you get a negative comment, is that one of
the first things you do is like, is this argument
that this person's making legitimate? And if it is fair play?
And if it's not, fuck them?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
And also I think to myself, because I'm old, do
you want to know the truth? I think to myself,
Now I'm old enough and I've been doing it for
long enough that can that person? Can this person do
better than what I do?
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So this I'll probably think. Probably not. Maybe they are
an amazing broadcaster who's never broadcaster before, but maybe they
don't really understand the ins and outs of it.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
That's something I hadn't considered. Of course, You've got a
confidence that comes in over time as well. And I
suppose if you're new to something, you're far more susceptible
too intense feedback, and it feels far more jarring and
rattling than what it would if you've been doing it
for how many years have you been doing it? Sexty odd.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Almost I'll be thirty in a couple of years, thirty chip.
But also, don't you reckon rude it. As you get older,
you go, ah, you're just more comfortable in your skin
full stop.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, I think you just care less and less. And
what you say about the fact that as you do
things over time, you do become more confident and these
things sort of become second nature. Like I'm part time
musician and like most of the gigs that I play,
and probably I'm not that great, but I remember being
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a kid and going and watching my brother's band and
he played for a few hours, and it was like
watching a magic trick, Like he just knew all of
these songs and he could play them from start to finish,
and I just found it mind blowing. But now I'm
sort of at a point where I go, well, it's
no biggie, it's just what I do. It's just my hobby,
(23:41):
it's just my part time job. But I guess that's
kind of like if the odd average listener came in
and watched you mash pressing the buttons and putting the
show together, which you do a great job of on
the radio show on the e broadcast. Very good, sounds
good good. They'd just be like, how the buck a
are you managing to do that and making it sound
like that, and be how are you managing to also
(24:02):
talk and understand what's going on in the meantime?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That's interesting? Yeah, that's right, Well, thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
First of all, Yeah, I know you're a very good
button push. I've said this before. I mean, this is
like a very good button pusher, very good, very good
button push. It's a non an easy.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Job pushing buttons, no is, trust me.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
There's the difference between someone who pushes buttons competently and
someone who pushes them and gets and has real timing.
As timing is just the tiny little one percent.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It's always admired me about. I've always admired you for
that though, Jerry. The negative feedback thing, there's a lot
of it that goes around in the media today.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
It's quite hard if you do look at the negative feedback.
Sometimes it's quite hard to not bite back at it,
especially if the person's got no fucking point. Oh god,
no fuck. But there's also some hilarious negative feedback that
you can get through. Like I remember once watching a
(25:04):
video that i'd made at a previous radio station, and
it was a divisive song that I'd written, and I
think it was about Huntley, and one particular person went
on that and ripped me a new one, and they
finished with the comment, by the way, like the fact
that you need to get yourself a titty trainer, referring
(25:25):
to my man boobs.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
You know that seems to be the one focus for
a lot of people that's deeply personal.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
It was, I mean, it was not. It wasn't a
flattering shirt because you know how sometimes you wear like
a light colored shirt, it just really enhances the curves
and depending on the lighting and ways that you don't.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Like, Well, hang on, I don't think I don't think
you're blame here for the fact that you're wearing this shirt.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
You don't have moves. That's that's very kind of you.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
But no idea, it's just not it's just not necessary
to post that comment, is really.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
But you'll notice if you ever watched those videos back
at a certain point I started wearing black t shir oh.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, okay, But the other part about that is that
they probably think, Oh, you're taking the piss out of
this thing, so I can take the pas out of you,
which is which is kind.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Of true, and that's that's probably something that happens to
this radio show and a lot of radio shows, is
that you guys just have a go at each other
like mates would, and then you'll go out into public
and they'll be a listener or a viewer and they'll
be like, Oh, these guys I know them, and what
they do in their relationship is they take the piss
out of each other, and so they would just start
(26:29):
ripping into you. Yeah, and they'll go For instance, someone
might walk up to Matt and go, fuck, you're a
loser and be like, that's that's just them being funny.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Did someone do that the day?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
No.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
I remember someone coming up to me, someone coming up
to me once and being like, because you know how
some people still use the word homo as an insult,
and he was like, ah, mate, you're just a homo
and just kept going at me when.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
You were on the rock or yeah, I mean that's
classic rock.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Lesner And a few times I let it slide a
few times and then I just slowly started letting it
get to me.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
You wouldn't. You wouldn't find a ridiculousnessaying something like that ironically.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Do you know how I dealt with it? I threw
a hot sausage into his face?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Did you?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And I had him in the eye.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
You're going to say you grabbed his balls?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
No, absolutely, hot sausage in the face, did you? No
hot from the barbecue?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Who's the home right now? Mate? And you're loving this?
I can see you're loving it. You're all barred up
in my mouth. Who's the who's the gay boe? Now?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I think that would probably sort things out, though. Don't
you think if you did take that approach and you're
loving this and then as he ejaculates, let's see you
regret doing it? Did you think of doing it?
Speaker 5 (27:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Okay? I threw this? Okay, well, I guess you did
the next best thing.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
You should have called his bluff, mate, You should have
wake it out.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
It's like gay chicken. Have you guys ever played gay chicken?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
What's chick? You're crying? Do gay chicken? What's gay chicken?
Speaker 4 (28:15):
When two intersexual guys start just getting closer and closer
to each other to see who pulls out of the
game first. And I've seen dudes kissing because they don't
want to be the one losing.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Oh wow, okay, that's what i'd do.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
I've pulled out a gay chicken pre kissing.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Have you chicken?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I've never heard of gay chick, never chicken.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Man.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I'm glad we got something to love that podcast because
I was asking questions that we're making sense. We alwyd
about negative feedback. And then what, Rudy, you ended up
with a cock in your mouth?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Does that that I threw through my hot sausage and
his face and then Jerry embellished and that's I had
him in the eye and then I apologize, Oh, sausage
fat to the eye. That can cause problems. Pink iye,
get pink ie from it.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
She just get that printed on the T shirt.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I got pink eye from a sausage to the face.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
I mean, you've always seen that.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
That's a good that's a good T shirt with the sausage.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
The picture of d of sausage.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Jesez. I don't have to be a T shirt big enough.
I don't know, maybe a nighty okay, anyway, that is
that us. I feel like we've gone rogue. He's not
here that he's not in his tidy things up. Okay,
we'll give us a course on track. We've gone, we've
gone rogue. No, don't give us a.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Call you three for three, so we wrap things up.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
We don't want to I don't want to hear about
what people think of that.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
It's anyone calling.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
No, No, one's good.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I don't want to hear. I don't want to know.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Oh why not?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I want to know?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Could you actually would it be quite smart? Full circle?
Leave your feedback on this?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
No, no, I don't if you if you want to
give any fee back, it has to be by letter.
That's a really good idea too. Radio Hurdocke kere Of
in the Matt and Jerry Podcast feedback Two Graham Street, Yeah,
kere Of in zied me Or Radio Hurdarcke to Graham Street,
Auckland City, Okay zero one zero our posts Yeah, I
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think you know generally get away without the postcode. But
just two Graham Street, Auckland City, Radio Hurdickie Matt and
Jerry Podcast feedback.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
So if anyone goes on to the conclave the Man
Jerry Facebook discussion group and they leave feedback there. We're
just going to ignore it, right, Okay, you're going to
ignore that.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Oh god, what's the conclave.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
It's something that we set up about a year ago, mate.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
The Madenerry Facebook discussion group to discuss the Maddenery Show
on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Oh, they've got about two and a half thousand people
on the really. Oh it's a great crow.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
The Conclavers All right, you haven't heard about the Conclavers. No,
they sound like good people. They're the best of us. Yeah, right,
a couple of hotties in there, now to out there.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Yeah, okay, members can now, Oh this isn't good. Members
can now anonymously do posts on there that just came
up this morning.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I don't know if you should have anonymous stuff. I
don't think you should.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Let's go in and eat it that day.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Okay, Well that was fun. Thanks everyone, We'll see you tomorrow.
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Speaker 3 (01:25):
He is a ways sick, so sick. We just did
an entire show, didn't We fellas on our own without
many for the first time in a very very long time.
The only time we could think about him having a
sick day was COVID. And it wasn't even a proper
sick day for him, was it? Because I remember him
coming in he was still giving it a crack.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, we were trying to get rid of him when
he had COVID, like we were trying to, but it
wasn't easy.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Didn't He test in the office that came in one
day felt terrible, came in the next day was worse,
and we were like, let's find your test mate, and
then he suddenly he was like, oh that's right.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
God, he's an admirable character. He loves his job, Maddie.
He loves his job and does.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Not like to take a day off and no war
and for that, Yeah, he's got a good work effic.
So the other thing about it was that he hadn't
had COVID. He was like the one person who hadn't
had it right, yeah, and he was saying, oh, I
can't get it. I can't get it. I can't get it.
And the moment that you start saying that, of course,
the universe has a very good way of bringing you
down to earth and giving you COVID. And he got
quite hard by it. I think he battled his way
(02:27):
through it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean, it's hard to not talk about COVID. Now.
We were just talking before we started this podcast, when
we felt as we were starting, why were we reflecting
on COVID? For some reason, it came up in conversation.
We were having a look back before we started recording
and having a talk about that kind of twenty to
twenty twenty one time. I mean, maybe it is a
bit of a two depressing topic.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I was like, tesday, do you know what when I
don't think we should talk about it because for me,
it's like some kind of fever dream.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
That I had. That's the past what it's like.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And it was. I know, there's a lot of people
that saying it was such a good time because it's like, oh, yeah, okay,
but I mean you can because we've got to stay
at home and bake, so you can do that anytime
you want, all right. The option now is that you
can't stay at home and bake, or you can go
out and hang out with your friends, or you can
go over the seas if you want, or you can
travel around the country or do whatever you want to do.
You can do all those things, whereas during that time
(03:21):
everybody was being forced. Anyway, let's not get into do you.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Think okay, instead of reflecting on maybe quite a sad
time looking forward, do you think we maybe learning anything
as a country.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I don't think we're ever going to do any of
that crap again that way, Are we put it that way?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
No? Anyway?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Oh yeah, I think too many people would push back
against the rules now. They wouldn't be able to control
it the way that it was, Especially in that first
one it was it was also trying to rainbows.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
And then we were just I think they were. And
the second one we had the protests and all that
kind of stuff in Wellington, our first time, a different worlds.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Well, nobody knew what was what was going on. God,
that was a weird time. And as we've said, of course,
it's huge effects that continue on. I mean, the ripples
continue and they will for many many years. Oh, they
will continue forever now, I mean it continues inside of
people and children and also so it keeps going.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I mean there's industry is like one that you work in, Jerry.
That radio and television media in general are feeling the
ripples pretty hard right about now? Oh yeah, that time
and as it's very clear and the new cycle and
things like that, it's going to be like that for
a long time. Anyway. You are you away last week?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Filming Taskmaster?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah? How did that go? Do you want me to
tell you exactly who ws? And I'll go through every
task and I'll tell you what I judged everybody if
you want, would you mind? I mean, I'm not going
to watch it, so it's nice to know I've never
watched it, to be fair? Is it good?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Is it worth watching?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
No, you've never watched it. You've never watched Task Master?
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Nah, it's supportive work mates, Thanks.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
A lot, mate, this is this is the fifth season
and you haven't watched one single show.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, why haven't you asked me to be contestant yet?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Jerry? Wow?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I mean do you I'll watch it if I start,
I'll watch it if I'm on it there you go.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Wow, it too late now?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Is that so? Is that the rule that you normally
apply to all television programs TV? You have to be
on them to watch them.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
That's why it was on Plas ten seven, Wasn't it matter?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And that's why I sport pusses me off because I'm
not out there.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I run the opposite. I'd rather I will watch something
if I'm not on it. I won't watch something if
I'm on it. It's you know what it is?
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Do you know what the show is, how a task
Master works?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, of course I do.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
My family in all seriously, that are big fans, my
mother and my father, especially Lagish task Master.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That's good family viewing.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
That is good family.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Viewing, isn't it. And I've definitely caught a couple of episodes.
But what I didn't understand about Task Master until recently,
and Jerry, you might be able to explain this to me,
and there'd be people listening right now that are one
of these people. But task Master fans are quite interesting.
There is this task mass it's the universe that has
kind of evolved over the last few years because of
(06:03):
the UK's version of success and then now also internationally
it's had some success. Like there's rid of pages and
forums that are so deep on the world of Taskmaster.
Do you find yourself in those holes at all? Never interesting?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I've never read anything about it. Well, it's not you
don't want to read things about yourself, do you even? Inevitably? No? No,
because I'm look, what happens in those situations is that
you do the job as well as you can, but
also you're well aware that you know you're not doing
(06:41):
it brilliantly, you know. I mean, if you think that
you've done a job when you're going, oh my god,
that was just absolutely amazing, I'm going to head to
social media to back up my feelings of how I
feel about my own performance. I mean, you were living it,
you were watching it through your eyes. You know every
bit that you did well, and you know every bit
that you could have done better, and you know you
know why, you know the reasons for all of those things.
(07:02):
It's like, why would you go to why would you
go to see a whole lot of views of people
who weren't there and don't know. Now, I hear what
you're saying, what you already know.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
But you know, Jerry, that that's how people operate, and
you make it sound like that that's a silly thing
to do. There's a silly thing to be watching what
you do back and stuff like that. But that's what
most people do do. And I'm not saying it's the
right thing to do, because what you're saying is definitely
the right thing to do. But you care a lot
less than other people do. I think there's a lot
of people out there that would be on shows like
(07:32):
Taskmaster and then fall down holes of reading things about
themselves and all that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well, I care a lot, and I think when you
read something and it reinforces your feelings on it, but
you just hope that people didn't notice, then you go,
oh god, everybody notices on I'm a complete failure and
just makes you feel thinking. Interestingly, one of the task
Master comedians who's on the season, we're having this exact
(07:58):
same chat, and she spoiler alert, said do you read
because she knew about the hordes of Taskmaster fans who
just pour over everything, And I mean they do things
like they write Taskmaster fan fiction, like like fiction and
(08:20):
stuff using the contestants. Yeah, it's it's pretty interesting. I
think the Taskmaster fans are more likely to be on
the spectrum than any fan of you any other television show. Interesting,
I think personally of the people that I've met over
the years. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but
that's just an observation that I've made. So she was
(08:40):
saying to me, what do you do in terms of
people's criticism Marine, and I said, well, I just don't.
I just think it's probably a good idea not to
read it, because you do your best in the situation
at the time, and then it's filmed and then it's edited.
Other people are trying to make you look as good
as they possibly can, or other people are making you
casting in a certain way to add to the program
(09:01):
and the overall vibe of the program. You've got to
have a mad, glad, sad and a bad on any panel,
on any cast, on any TV show. Otherwise it doesn't work. Sorry,
what a mad glad, glad, sad and bad. So when
you're casting television in terms of reality, I think it's
kind of pretty common knowledge that you've that you to
create Jeopardy within the show, you can't have everybody being
(09:24):
the same type of person.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I mean, that makes sense. To me, But I didn't
know that there was this kind of mad, said, glad
bad theory out there. So is that what you kind
of try and construct a panel around when.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You're well, Yeah, every successful every successful reality show has
those elements. Sometimes they've come across it by mistake. Sometimes
sometimes the people who are casting it are really smart
and know what they're doing. In terms of task Master,
they know what they're doing. So you need someone who's mad.
So someone's a bit crazy. And I know that's not
a word that you meant to use anymore, but we
all understand what that means. So mad, glad, see person
(09:57):
who's really really happy. Bad. So someone who's kind of
an angry person who the audience might hate. Mm hmmm,
did I say sad? Mad glad? Sad said and bad?
So it's sad as well. So someone who's a little
bit emotional, like an emotional character interesting, it is more
likely to show their emotional real emotions, a crier, bit
(10:20):
of a victim. So I mean, I'm looking at each
Taskmaster caster and now if those people are listening to
this podcast, they'll be like, wonder if I was the
sad person or the mad person? Doesn't have to be
much of that in the character, because ultimately you still
in Taskmaska, You've got to be funny. But it helps
to have a difference in character, and if you think
about them in that way, then it's a good way
(10:42):
of creating balance.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Just back to what you were saying before about reading
feedback on yourself, was that always the way that you've
been I mean, you've been around television for so long,
and you know, have a can use boy days. There's
a lot of work that you've made that I don't know,
Jerry might have caused a little bit.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Of a backlash. I first started, the only way that
people could communicate with you was via email or of
course just come in and facts.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Hmmm, so a letter, yes, a lot more letters, yeah,
of course.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
So if you were receiving negative feedback about something contificially
you've done with Havoc or whatever it was, I don't
know if it's any media lunch or whatever, or that
big breekfast. I suppose it's a little bit later in
time and closer to cell phones, but in social media.
But so if you weren't consuming any of that stuff
that was coming in.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Well, do you know, back in the day. It took
so much effort to send in something negative via letter.
You'd have to get a pen and a paper, and
then you'd have to write it, and then you'd have
to get an envelope and you'd have to get a stamp,
and it would cost you forty five cents and then
you'd have to send it away. So to do that
required a certain amount of love, really and care, because
(11:49):
if you didn't care, then you wouldn't be bothered to
do it. So and then email came along and it
became a little bit less hard, so you found there
was more. So I can tell you that from when
I started in the media in the mid nineties only
ninety six. In those days, you only really received positive
(12:10):
stuff via mail, and we used to receive probably five
maybe maybe five pieces of correspondence a day in those days,
quite a lot. And you'd get mail that would come
around TVNS and you'd get all these letters from people
and people had send you stuff. It was really cool, actually,
I kept a lot of it. And then and then
email came along in the late nineties, and then you'd
(12:31):
still mainly get positive stuff that came through, but you'd
occasionally get a negative thing and then I witnessed the
change probably and then then people stopped writing letters in
the two thousands, and then it was only emails and
it started balancing a little bit more between positive and negative.
And then, interestingly, I reckon the comments on the bottom
(12:55):
of reviews is the first time that I really saw
people who were putting in very little effort to write
negative things about people. So it became way more at
that point. So the lower the barrier became too, correspondence,
the more negative comments that you got.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Okay, what about back in the day though, and I
think it was a segment that used to be on
various incarnations of the Havoc Show was the TVNZ phone logs. Ah,
that's how people is that how people used to complain. Yes,
ceased to ring the receptionist. Yeah, the receptionists would type
it up and pass it on, did you guys, because
obviously you had a segment where I think mainly Mikey
(13:35):
would read it out and sometimes you as well.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yes, the phone locks. It was called the phone it
was called yeah, the TVNS We used to read the
tv Z phone locks.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Now, because I remember when I first started in the media,
which was like late two thousands, and I could see
the TV three phone logs, and that was the next
couple of years. You could actually see a real drop
off and the number of people that were ringing up
and complaining. Yeah, which sort of you know, intersects with
(14:06):
the start of social media young with the reviews, yep, totally,
and suddenly people became more faceless.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
You could say the negative things about how much you
hated certain media people, and instead of having to put
your name to it and your number to it, you
could just in fact, people just use fake fake names.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Well that's right, I suppose people did that as well,
Like you can't handle the truth sixty four at you know,
who's a commenter on stuff, and all of a sudden
the stuff comment is with pseudonyms. I've always thought, to
be honest, that all the worst things happen anonymously in
the media, so talkback used to be a thing that
you could do anonymously. It just encourages people. They don't
(14:45):
put their face or their name to things. They can
make a comment without actually anything really coming back at them,
whereas if you are, say a named person, if someone
knows who you are and then you make a comment publicly.
People know they can put a face to it. They
can it can follow you around a little bit. I
think the anonymous part of it is the dangerous part,
(15:06):
and I think you can you can sort of do
it through social media, I suppose, but generally you're doing
it through a name, aren't you.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
There was there used to be back in the day.
I used to listen to Murraydeker a lot as a
late teen early twenties, and there was this took back
caller that was always called Mark and he had this
kind of kind of Australian accent, but he was always very,
very opinionated, and he used to get recognized out and about,
and he changed his name to Zay seriously because he
(15:33):
was sick of people harassing him for having an opinion
on Murray Decer's show.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Right. He was one of those guys that would call
up and really lay into the All Blacks if they
lost or something.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
It was yeah, and to be fear from memory. I
think it was actually quite onto it not just like
all Black stuck and that was that was his whole argument.
But yeah, he just got sick of people coming up
to him and wanted to punish him in the pub
to change the name to Zayn, but then, funnily enough,
centered exactly the same. So if you'd and for longer
than about five or six months, you knew who they go.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Well, wouldn't you just change your name from? Like, why
would you ever talk back? Why would you call talkback
and use your real name? I thought everybody used the pseudonym.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Bombshell. Let's come back in a moment.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
A bombshell? Is it?
Speaker 5 (16:16):
So?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I haven't got their broke button ready?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Welcome back, we're talking talk back.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I've actually got a question for you, Jerry, and maybe
you read directly for the minute, because you've been around
long enough for this as well. So this is kind
of back to the feedback thing that's being left by
listeners in the way that it's changed over time. Broadcasters
now and I don't think this is a secret very
worried about what people have to say about them, and
(16:46):
that's and that's fair. At what point did it change,
Durick and from? Because when you started, Jerry, it was
like broadcasting was very much an art.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
And people took it very seriously. But you got into
it don't been an art. You got into it because
you thought whether or not it was funny or not.
Who was the names that come into my mind right now.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
The sign off you doing seven sharp Paul Holmes is
you were actually quite fascinated in the way that he broadcasted.
It makes it sound winky, and I apologize using that wit,
But what I'm saying is you got into it because
you liked broadcasting, and you thought it was interesting and
you thought it was the techniques were interesting and all
that kind of stuff. And I think that's how most
people felt when it was like late nineties, and then
all of a sudden feedback started coming along, and now
(17:30):
people are broadcasting not really for themselves, they're broadcasting for
other people.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, okay, So what are you saying exactly? You're saying
that particulating this. Are you saying that back in the
day people used to do it for I think people
always did it for the audience.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yes, I think what I'm trying to figure out here
is at what point did it switch from the people
on social media and stuff like that have been able
to have an opportunity to give some feedback towards the show.
When did that become a real concern for TV shows
and broadcasters. So there were do you know what I mean,
Like at one point, I'm sure in the late nineties
and early two thousands, there was a time where you're
(18:09):
making TV shows and it was in a room and
you were discussing ideas, and you're making them for people,
no doubt, and to entertain people. But it was just
what they're only kind of really opinions that mattered with
whatever is in the room and you're making them and
stuff like that. But now it just feels like there's
so much feedback coming into these people. It is rattling
a lot of broadcasters. Well what do you reckon, reader,
I reckon that. Back in the day, people like programmers.
(18:30):
So the people who employed the broadcasters awfully wood to questions. Sorry,
I haven't figured this out in my head.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Even it's okay though we're on a podcast, we're fleshing
things out. It's just it's all ideas. So I think
back in the day, programmers used to listen to the
show and they used to think whether or not it
was a good show based on their own experience. So
this is the program, this is the people who are
our bosses, you know. And then they used to look
at the ratings as well, and they'd say, is that
a popular show? Is this person a good broadcaster? And
(18:57):
then they'd get a little bit of feedback every now
and then, but that would be about it. But they'd
generally go on their own gut of experience of what
they thought was good and what wasn't. And the same
thing was probably with the music that they used to
play on radio shows and stuff. It would be it
was not science. There was no science to it. It
was all gut and what people thought, and it was
probably a little bit of a little bit of learning
(19:20):
around that. You start the hour with a banger, and
you know, there was probably a bit of that sort
of stuff. There's a bit of science involved at the time,
but the feedback was probably not a key part of it.
And then I think those people, those programmers probably started
to have to justify their decisions a little bit more.
And if people started to question it publicly and there
(19:41):
was more open forum to that public feedback, which they became,
maybe then at that point they had to justify it
to the people above them, and so they would then
have to try and hope that the feedback that was
coming back was in line with their thinking as well, yeah,
do you have. Actually, they couldn't go across. I couldn't
(20:02):
go against what was at that stage overt public opinion
because before that, where did the public opinion come from?
Letters to the editor.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, well, just as you are someone that was making
the TV show. I think this is what I'm trying
to say. Does the weight of a negative comment now
compared to what it would Did they have the same
weight back then?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Oh? I think it was more because you'd get a letter,
so it was someone to write a horrible letter. Like
I remember, you'd get occasional letters from someone who has
clearly hated you, but otherwise they wouldn't put enough time
into writing a letter. Nowadays, someone can just watch something
and think, I don't think that's funny, and then they'll
just text you and then we get it funny. Do
you we get that regularly? And it's like, you know,
(20:39):
it doesn't take much effort. So I think you take
the weight of the you take the weight of the
effort that it takes for the person to make the
comment with the comment, so you've got to weigh it up.
I think that's what I was just trying to explore.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
It's just funny that now it's easier to give feedback
than ever and the comments that are coming in should
mean far less than they used to. But it just
doesn't really feel that way. I don't think to a
lot of people.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, I mean well, I think as you get older
as well, you get thicker skin, and you have to
have thick skin if you're going to be in broadcasting.
I mean there's no point. You can't be a person
who's who's thin skinnedn be a broadcaster that's this This
is not the job for you. It's just that simple.
I mean that that might sound harsh, but I really
believe that. So Massa Jerry just said, this is not
the job for you. So I trant to pack your stuff.
(21:22):
I still get rid of older. It's not a nice feeling.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
If you get a text, is it or a message
saying you know a bit of a shitter to day?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Mate, Well you've got to ask yourself from my day
are having Are you having a shudder? Well?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Hang on, are you saying that I should actually have
a look at this feedback and go maybe you are?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Well if you know it to be true, right, you
know that you've had a shutter and you go, yeah,
I had a shudder. Okay, I had a shudder. Everyone
has shitters. What's wrong with that? Everybody has a shuitter?
I mean everybody who goes to work and goes and
does their job has a shuitterer. The fact that you
have a slightly more public shitter means you have to
have thicker skin.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
If you get a negative comment, is that one of
the first things you do is like, is this argument
that this person's making legitimate? And if it is fair play?
And if it's not, fuck them?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
And also I think to myself, because I'm old, do
you want to know the truth? I think to myself,
Now I'm old enough and I've been doing it for
long enough that can that person? Can this person do
better than what I do?
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
So this I'll probably think. Probably not. Maybe they are
an amazing broadcaster who's never broadcaster before, but maybe they
don't really understand the ins and outs of it.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
That's something I hadn't considered. Of course, You've got a
confidence that comes in over time as well. And I
suppose if you're new to something, you're far more susceptible
too intense feedback, and it feels far more jarring and
rattling than what it would if you've been doing it
for how many years have you been doing it? Sexty odd.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Almost I'll be thirty in a couple of years, thirty chip.
But also, don't you reckon rude it. As you get older,
you go, ah, you're just more comfortable in your skin
full stop.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, I think you just care less and less. And
what you say about the fact that as you do
things over time, you do become more confident and these
things sort of become second nature. Like I'm part time
musician and like most of the gigs that I play,
and probably I'm not that great, but I remember being
(23:21):
a kid and going and watching my brother's band and
he played for a few hours, and it was like
watching a magic trick, Like he just knew all of
these songs and he could play them from start to finish,
and I just found it mind blowing. But now I'm
sort of at a point where I go, well, it's
no biggie, it's just what I do. It's just my hobby,
(23:41):
it's just my part time job. But I guess that's
kind of like if the odd average listener came in
and watched you mash pressing the buttons and putting the
show together, which you do a great job of on
the radio show on the e broadcast. Very good, sounds
good good. They'd just be like, how the buck a
are you managing to do that and making it sound
like that, and be how are you managing to also
(24:02):
talk and understand what's going on in the meantime?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
That's interesting? Yeah, that's right, Well, thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
First of all, Yeah, I know you're a very good
button push. I've said this before. I mean, this is
like a very good button pusher, very good, very good
button push. It's a non an easy.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Job pushing buttons, no is, trust me.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
There's the difference between someone who pushes buttons competently and
someone who pushes them and gets and has real timing.
As timing is just the tiny little one percent.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It's always admired me about. I've always admired you for
that though, Jerry. The negative feedback thing, there's a lot
of it that goes around in the media today.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
It's quite hard if you do look at the negative feedback.
Sometimes it's quite hard to not bite back at it,
especially if the person's got no fucking point. Oh god,
no fuck. But there's also some hilarious negative feedback that
you can get through. Like I remember once watching a
(25:04):
video that i'd made at a previous radio station, and
it was a divisive song that I'd written, and I
think it was about Huntley, and one particular person went
on that and ripped me a new one, and they
finished with the comment, by the way, like the fact
that you need to get yourself a titty trainer, referring
(25:25):
to my man boobs.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
You know that seems to be the one focus for
a lot of people that's deeply personal.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
It was, I mean, it was not. It wasn't a
flattering shirt because you know how sometimes you wear like
a light colored shirt, it just really enhances the curves
and depending on the lighting and ways that you don't.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Like, Well, hang on, I don't think I don't think
you're blame here for the fact that you're wearing this shirt.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
You don't have moves. That's that's very kind of you.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
But no idea, it's just not it's just not necessary
to post that comment, is really.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
But you'll notice if you ever watched those videos back
at a certain point I started wearing black t shir oh.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, okay, But the other part about that is that
they probably think, Oh, you're taking the piss out of
this thing, so I can take the pas out of you,
which is which is kind.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Of true, and that's that's probably something that happens to
this radio show and a lot of radio shows, is
that you guys just have a go at each other
like mates would, and then you'll go out into public
and they'll be a listener or a viewer and they'll
be like, Oh, these guys I know them, and what
they do in their relationship is they take the piss
out of each other, and so they would just start
(26:29):
ripping into you. Yeah, and they'll go For instance, someone
might walk up to Matt and go, fuck, you're a
loser and be like, that's that's just them being funny.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Did someone do that the day?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
No.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
I remember someone coming up to me, someone coming up
to me once and being like, because you know how
some people still use the word homo as an insult,
and he was like, ah, mate, you're just a homo
and just kept going at me when.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
You were on the rock or yeah, I mean that's
classic rock.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Lesner And a few times I let it slide a
few times and then I just slowly started letting it
get to me.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
You wouldn't. You wouldn't find a ridiculousnessaying something like that ironically.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Do you know how I dealt with it? I threw
a hot sausage into his face?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Did you?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And I had him in the eye.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
You're going to say you grabbed his balls?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
No, absolutely, hot sausage in the face, did you? No
hot from the barbecue?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Who's the home right now? Mate? And you're loving this?
I can see you're loving it. You're all barred up
in my mouth. Who's the who's the gay boe? Now?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I think that would probably sort things out, though. Don't
you think if you did take that approach and you're
loving this and then as he ejaculates, let's see you
regret doing it? Did you think of doing it?
Speaker 5 (27:58):
No?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Okay? I threw this? Okay, well, I guess you did
the next best thing.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
You should have called his bluff, mate, You should have
wake it out.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
It's like gay chicken. Have you guys ever played gay chicken?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
What's chick? You're crying? Do gay chicken? What's gay chicken?
Speaker 4 (28:15):
When two intersexual guys start just getting closer and closer
to each other to see who pulls out of the
game first. And I've seen dudes kissing because they don't
want to be the one losing.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Oh wow, okay, that's what i'd do.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
I've pulled out a gay chicken pre kissing.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Have you chicken?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I've never heard of gay chick, never chicken.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Man.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I'm glad we got something to love that podcast because
I was asking questions that we're making sense. We alwyd
about negative feedback. And then what, Rudy, you ended up
with a cock in your mouth?
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Does that that I threw through my hot sausage and
his face and then Jerry embellished and that's I had
him in the eye and then I apologize, Oh, sausage
fat to the eye. That can cause problems. Pink iye,
get pink ie from it.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
She just get that printed on the T shirt.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I got pink eye from a sausage to the face.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
I mean, you've always seen that.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
That's a good that's a good T shirt with the sausage.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
The picture of d of sausage.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Jesez. I don't have to be a T shirt big enough.
I don't know, maybe a nighty okay, anyway, that is
that us. I feel like we've gone rogue. He's not
here that he's not in his tidy things up. Okay,
we'll give us a course on track. We've gone, we've
gone rogue. No, don't give us a.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Call you three for three, so we wrap things up.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
We don't want to I don't want to hear about
what people think of that.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
It's anyone calling.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
No, No, one's good.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I don't want to hear. I don't want to know.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Oh why not?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I want to know?
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Could you actually would it be quite smart? Full circle?
Leave your feedback on this?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
No, no, I don't if you if you want to
give any fee back, it has to be by letter.
That's a really good idea too. Radio Hurdocke kere Of
in the Matt and Jerry Podcast feedback Two Graham Street, Yeah,
kere Of in zied me Or Radio Hurdarcke to Graham Street,
Auckland City, Okay zero one zero our posts Yeah, I
(30:20):
think you know generally get away without the postcode. But
just two Graham Street, Auckland City, Radio Hurdickie Matt and
Jerry Podcast feedback.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
So if anyone goes on to the conclave the Man
Jerry Facebook discussion group and they leave feedback there. We're
just going to ignore it, right, Okay, you're going to
ignore that.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Oh god, what's the conclave.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
It's something that we set up about a year ago, mate.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
The Madenerry Facebook discussion group to discuss the Maddenery Show
on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Oh, they've got about two and a half thousand people
on the really. Oh it's a great crow.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
The Conclavers All right, you haven't heard about the Conclavers. No,
they sound like good people. They're the best of us. Yeah, right,
a couple of hotties in there, now to out there.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Yeah, okay, members can now, Oh this isn't good. Members
can now anonymously do posts on there that just came
up this morning.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I don't know if you should have anonymous stuff. I
don't think you should.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Let's go in and eat it that day.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Okay, Well that was fun. Thanks everyone, We'll see you tomorrow.
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