The Rod and Greg Show: Utah Legislature Asks State Universities to Cut Budgets by 10%

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I mean we did the Wingman Wednesday thing for a
couple of years, but full time July twenty ninth. Wow,
and then you took off on vacation. And then I
took off on vacation.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yeah, it's you know what though, it's been, it's been.
It's been great. I've loved it. You know, you put
a nickel on me, you get a bucks worth of
speech anyway. I mean, it's just it's like it's like
a dream. It's a dream gig. I love being here.
I love the audience. I love it every day.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
I've learned that being with you. And I've had people
tell me that, you know, you put you put a
nickel in that guy and he's wold.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, I know, yeah, I can't help it. I get well.
I do get wound up too.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
All Right, it is twenty one days to go? Can
you believe that? Greg? Twenty one days and America will
be voting. And I thought we'd start off the show
today just you and I chatting about the lay of
the land and where things stand right now. Every new
pull out tonight show. I don't know if the race
can get any tighter. But you looked at the betting

(00:53):
markets today and man, are they going to mister Trump?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, they have swung. This is I've been watching. I've
been taking screen shot of the poly markets every single
day since we've been sixty five days out. I do
the national where the money, Where is the smart money
going to? Which candidate by percentage? And then I go
down to the states to see where the smart money's going.
And I've been taking screenshots since sixty five days out.

(01:18):
We're now twenty twenty days out and twenty one days
and I have never seen the lead as large for
either candidate as I just showed you before the show started,
and so I screenshoted it and put it into my
photo file and it's it's just been moving that direction.
He's up in five six of the seven swing states

(01:42):
and his margins and I don't want to jinx it,
you know. And we still have an election to run,
and everybody's got to get out to vote, nobody get complacent.
But in the states of Michigan and Wisconsin, which I
never really thought we're truly in play, we're now starting
to see not a one, a two percent difference. Is
I've been tracking now for a week to those numbers
are now climbing. The only state where Kamala seems to

(02:05):
have a fifty to forty nine percent and that's just
how the money's coming in is Nevada. And that's funny
to me because weird to me too, as is on
not taxing tips. Of all the states, you know that
is a service industry state, Clark County has most of
the population. You would think that that alone, that idea
alone would would carry that state without without without a problem.

(02:26):
But it's you know, we'll see what happens. That's the
only shit clay case where it's she's blue.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
The rest of them are going that Trump's way.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well, here here's where I'm stuck. Regular a couple of things.
First of all, what is it about sixty sixty two
percent of the American public right now think the country
is headed in the wrong direction. Yeah, Yet you have
Kamala Harris telling people on the View the other day
if she were elected, she wouldn't change a thing that
Joe Biden has done over the past four years. So

(02:56):
you take that into account. You look at you know
there are he's leading on so many of the the
what I consider maybe the four top issues right now.
You've got inflation, you've got the economy, you've got immigration,
and you've got crime. He's leading in every one of
those indicators. Okay, Yet the race is tight, or that's

(03:16):
what we believe it is now. You know, there are
even some liberals out there. I ran across the story
today who are thinking Trump may really thumper, you know,
and that could happen. But you know, you get the
lay of the land right now, and the race is tight.
I think people are nervous, and I'll we'll get into
this a little bit later on. But I have two
points here on this election. You and I have talked

(03:38):
about this before. The American people want to elect people
who are going to get something done. Would you agree.
I think we are so sick and tired of having
to deal with these issues. Don't we send people back
to Washington to get things done?

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (03:52):
And nothing seems to be getting done in this country today,
Absolutely nothing? No, all right, all right. The other point
I have, and we've briefly talked about this, I'd really
like to talk about it more today, is that this
is a scared election.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Now.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
I've been on en if Good to Earth for a
number of years. I've watched political campaign I've never seen
a country that is so scared to have one side
or the other side win. They are scared. Well, I'll
tell you when people, I mean, you run into people.
All the people come up to me and they're just scared.
What is going to happen if if she wins, or
what's going to happen if he wins.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Well, some of that is just uh to the extremes
of which the left is willing to go. I mean
even just prosecuting and in the lawfair that has been
used with President Trump to try and prevent him from
the ballot. That we forget about the court cases where
they tried to prevent him from his name being printed
on ballots. They have gone to such unbelievable extremes, extremes

(04:50):
that we wouldn't think that serious adults that our leaders
would ever resort to. And you watch it with it
when it comes to President Trump. You've seen this behavior
and you wondered you yourself, if he wins, if all
these things happen and he wins, do they let him?
I mean, and what does that even mean? We don't know.
I would just say this the reason, So that's where

(05:11):
I think this. So I think that there's there. Kamala
Harris doesn't have a whole watch. He's not going to
that Bloomberg, which was actually going to be friendlier to
her than it was going to be to Trump if
he accepted she wouldn't go. He went today and there's
some great clips of him pushing back on the guy
who's clearly a Kamala fan and doesn't like his policy,
economic policies, and he leans in and he gets specific

(05:33):
and it's the stuff that she won't do that he's
willing to do. But if you look at where the
fear comes from, one is, you know, hate Trump, fear Trump,
vote for Kamla, and that's it. What Trump talks about
is a lot more aspirational in terms of outcut energy
costs that we're all suffering from by fifty percent my
first year. He talks about a lot of specifics. The

(05:56):
fear is what happens if he gets those wins. Have
you ever seen an issue, and I'm talking illi immigration
that has converged into the other issues that are on
that are front of mind voters, So with this open border,
that is historic. So when we say we've never seen
the kind of fear we see today, We have also
never seen a border that is simply being let where anybody,
everybody is allowed to come through, where you're having millions,

(06:18):
tens whatever it is, ten million to fifteen, you name it.
There's a lot of different numbers out there. But what
we know is that every state has legitimately become a
border state. What is that doing That is impacting public safety?
That's an important issue, the economy, education, education, that our
education system, welfare. I mean that one issue where they

(06:38):
decide to go ahead and let that border be open,
it is impacting our economy and arming people there. It
is hurting on public safety, it is hurting in the
ability to deliver education, and then it's just it's all culminating.
And I think that one I think on purpose. I
don't think this is a failure from the Biden Harris administration.
This was done on purpose to just have an open border,

(07:01):
to try and change the politics of this of this country.
It has come with such a cost to Americans that
you hear young people that have usually been disconnected and
apathetic about politics saying that they feel the economic crush. Yeah,
and they care and they're voting for Trump. This is
on an MSNBC's you Know Clip.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Well wait a minute, Greg, Bill Clinton said yesterday we
have to allow these immigrants into the country because they're depopulating.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, we don't have enough babies.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
We don't have enough babies, so we needed them to
come in. We don't have enough babies.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Aboarding three thousand advocating and approving and defending the ability
to abord three thousand babies a day is saying we
don't have enough babies. We get we have to get
these from immigrants. The irony is just well gross.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah. Well, there was a story out today, I think
it was Forbes, the Forbes website sixty so six and
ten Americans, Greg, right now say the presidentials, the presidential
elections impact on their mental health is sixty one percent
of American voters say that. I mean, and you look

(08:05):
at these numbers, Greg, And then you have stories like
this story. Mark Hamill, the actor Star Wars really you know,
he's nuts, right, going to team up with the Lincoln
Project and they're going to try and disrupt the big
Madison Square garden event that Donald Trump wants to hold
right before the election three weeks from today. And they're
thinking of ways they can disrupt it. And then you

(08:27):
have James Carvel comes on and he says, well, you
know this is similar, you'll love this one Greg to
a Nazi rally by Hitler.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
I heard James Carvel's do you hear they?

Speaker 1 (08:36):
I mean this is where I mean it's just getting
nuttier and nuttier. It is so tight, it's getting nuttier.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
And the most laughable part about how he's a dictator
in a Nazi only. Yeah, imagine his patience for four
years never being any of these things. Yeah, you know,
because one day he could be one day and and
he loses his election. I'm just going to still bide
my time. It is. It is so insane in its premise.
It's been proven to be not to be the case.
He was not a Nazi when he was president. And

(09:06):
you know how we know that. Take his four years
take your life, okay, and in compare it to what
these people what's been happening since this administration has been
running things. Is the world safer? Is anything? You cannot
tell me there's anything that's on the uptick, Not one thing.
It's all the trajectory's all been down. And we had this,
you know, sixty five days ago, we had now, well

(09:27):
forty let's say forty four days ago, we had a
discussion about but will the people drill down on the
details to know. I think they're clubbing us over the head.
I think this economy, our public safety, the danger that
we're facing, all this is clubbing us over the head
where the everyday voter can't really help. But see, I
need something better than this. And because she's got such

(09:48):
a ticked off Biden, who basically got thrown off that
ticket against his will, they have to tiptoe around him.
They can't get too critical about him because he'll go
off on her. And so it's like, no, I really
like everything he did, he did, he did it jump.
They're saying that under duress because it's the easiest answer.
I'm not him and I'm not gonna do it like him.
But they can't do it because they would, they would
come after her if she did well. And and so

(10:10):
it's the American people are smelling it now.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Word is tonight that Joe Biden is no longer speaking
to Nancy Pelosi. Apparently him and Jill are so upset
with her, you know, And let's go back to the
media's role in all of this. Greg. Another case, CBS
editing Mike Johnson's comment on Fates the Nation. You know
he he editing again, taking one part, putting it to

(10:34):
the next to make him look bad.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Yep, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
And and Mike.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Making Kamala look good, making him him.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
And Johnson said tonight, I will never do another interview
on CBS unless it's live. They can't touch it when
it's live. Poor a, CBS said the Tiffany Network, remember
that not anymore. All Right, We've got a lot to
get to today. We are three weeks away from the election.
We invite you to stay with us for the next
three weeks, but we invite you to stay with us

(11:03):
next coming up, rodding Greg right here on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine K and r as Rodding
Greg with you here on Utah's Talk Radio one o
five nine K and r ass again live everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app. You know, I mentioned people are scared
Greg about this election. They're really fearful as to how
this may turn out. One of the reasons I think

(11:23):
is voter integrity. Are the votes going to be counted
properly and.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Count so look, and I got to tell you. So
we spent the first we open the show saying, look,
if you want to be the if you think winning
a campaign, you need momentum at the end, which you do.
You're on the quarter turn, you're coming into the home stretch,
and that's where we are. The look of which candidate
is has got the moll the big moment, the momentum,
and it is Donald Trump right now. Not to say

(11:48):
that's going to stay, but right now we're excited, we're
seeing it. We're seeing So he had seventy four million
votes latin in twenty twenty, and you can add to
that in twenty four that he didn't have. You can
add the Latino vote as stronger. The black vote is stronger,
Union support is stronger, the RFK junior vote in swing
states is making a critical difference. And you're not just
seeing them as a as a partnership inconvenience. You're seeing

(12:11):
some smart things about our health and our food, all
that stuff. So there's just there's just a it's a
game of addition. And if that's a successful campaign, you're
seeing it in real time. So now we have all
that information, you see the markets reacting to it. The
betting markets which I put faith in because that's money
where your mouth is. But here comes the question you
just brought up, can we trust the results? Okay, well,

(12:34):
I would argue that today, more than before, we are
discussing this issue, and you have states that are staring
at their voter rolls closer and scrubbing the bad names
off of those which they have found better than we
ever did back in twenty twenty. That has got to
be an.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Upside for us.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
But the breaking news as of last last less than
a week, is that the day DJ is trying to
stop Virginia of all states from taking people that had
no business being on the voter role from the beginning.
In the beginning, take them up because they're they're not
citizens of the United States, and so you have a clip.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
And they self identify the selfing. No one's checking them on.
They're checking the box off said yeah, I'm not necessarily I'm.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Not a citizen, or they're failing to check the box
it says I am a citizen, which is a requirement
to be on that on that in that voter role,
they are self they are making the self identification and
they are still finding themselves on a voter voter role individually,
not systemically as as a system. You're doing it, they're
doing it individually. And Governor Youngkin can't believe his eyes
it that they DJ is trying to interrupt that process.

(13:35):
So a reporter comes after him to say, why do
you want to you know, why do you want to do?
But this is voter suppression.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, and this is Jake Tapper interviewing Glenn Youngkin on CNN.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Why not just honor that ninety day period.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
Well, let me just first begin it's anything but a
purging program. It begins with someone identifying themselves as a
non citizen, and.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
I guess I would pause it back to you.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
Do you think that non citizens, when they've had self
identified as a non citizen should stay on the voter
rule and therefore be in a position to potentially vote
in a presidential.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
I don't think. I don't think any non citizen should vote.
How are they self identifying?

Speaker 1 (14:11):
How does that happen?

Speaker 5 (14:12):
They actually tick a box that says I am a
non citizen, where they do not answer the question that
they are a citizen, and therefore they self identify that
they are not a citizen in the United States of America.
And this is why this is so out of bounds
in my mind, from the Justice Department. They fully understand this.
They understand the process starts with a person self identifying

(14:35):
as a non citizen and then there is a match
with that person's name on the voter rules and they
are given not just one, but up to three times
in order to try to cure it. And this is
why I find this to be a very very unreal moments.
That is stunning that they filed this suit twenty five
days before presidential election, when in fact this has been

(14:57):
going on in accordance with our constitution, the federal constitution
and state law since two thousand and six.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Wow. So that's Glenn young canby with the way Jake
Tapper again on CNN.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, a couple of takeaways. One, Glenn Youngkin is not
someone that the meet the regime media has ever demonized
as a as an election denier. In fact, you never know,
after the twenty twenty election, a lot of people were saying, well,
maybe he should run instead of Trump. They thought he
was maybe a little you know, just so this this
is not a governor who they can try and make
a cartoon.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Your election denier.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
He's never been an election denial, so there's that. I
think he answered that question with Jake Tapper on CNN,
so so well, folks, those discussions that transparency has not
occurred before. We've not had that before. You're having the
bright lights on there, so you know the way the
legal process works. They've been removed when the when the
Justice Department sues they would have to they're suing to

(15:53):
have him put back on. So if you're wondering to yourself, well,
have they stopped it from happening now? I don't know
if they got through the whole list, but they've done
their job for the most part. Then the DOJ and
Marrick Carland tries to get in the way. I think
it would take a judge to force Virginia to put
those self identifying nice citizen back on the rolls, which

(16:14):
I don't think will happen, and I think they'll do
that in an expedited way. But even the people that
are taken off, there's ways to cure that if there
was a mistake somewhere. So there's that you're not doing
it in any kind with any bad faith. But I
got to believe that those types of decisions, the scrubbing
of the lists, because by the way, when they did that,
the registered voters nationally from twenty two to twenty four
went down. Funny about that, isn't it. And that's just

(16:38):
from a statistics website that's not from any kind of
news organization that I pulled those registered voter numbers from.
They've gone down as states have scrubbed their list better
to make sure they have actual a lot. I just
don't want the dead voting block to go for Harris
like they did Biden. I just think they always vote
by mail, they never come in person. The dead people
never vote for people.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Do that question I have does our election chief here
in the state of Utah, Dedre Henderson, do we do
anything like this? Do we go through and you know, say,
are you self identifying as a non sense? Are we
you're you're you're laughing at me? Well, what about Utah?
Do we do it?

Speaker 2 (17:12):
We do? There is, there is, there is, there is
an effort towards it. Could it be better, Like everything
in government, it could be and should be better. But
I think you would the answer back, the official answer
you would get back, is yes we do.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
It, Yes we do it. Yes but I want the truth.
Do we do it?

Speaker 2 (17:28):
That would that would have to take a little bit
more digging, I think, But there is there is the
the acknowledged process that that should happen. So there you go.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
You're smiling. You have a smile over there.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I just yeah, look, but look, I don't want to
sour it because I what what the Democrats hope happens
is that you get so discouraged or so cynical you
don't go to vote. That's what they want that they
want you to not believe in this system in any way.
And they hope actually that the that the early voting
doesn't happen because if you get remember Ahkopa County on

(18:00):
election day, how they shut down all those voting locations
and it held up and you saw those lines around buildings.
If everybody wastes the day of, they got plans for that. Oops,
look doesn't work. Sorry, we can't get to it as fast. Yeah,
may you know, state, can you leave the voting polls
open longer because we weren't able to do it and
now we're going to close it. So anyway, don't do

(18:21):
not let the issues that with vote by mail early
voting don't let that keep you from voting. Make sure
you get out to vote, make sure you I mean,
this has to be the election where the people really
do speak. And I'm telling you every indicator is nobody
wants what we've had, what we've lived through over the
last three and a half years, nobody wants any more
of it. They're ready to re elect Donald Trump. So

(18:43):
we just got to we can't leave it up to
somebody else to do it. We got to get out
there and do it.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
And don't let a clogged toilet stop you.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Again. I cannot see an NBA arena say you know what,
we had a toilet overflow. So we're going to stop
the entire county recount at eight pm at night. And
then you see the security cameras where they keep counting.
Nothing to see here, folks. That's not by the way,
that's not conspiracy. That is public record. What I just said,
that is not even refutable.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
All right, more coming up. It is Rotting Greg with
you on this Tuesday afternoon right here on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine knrs.

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Speaker 2 (19:49):
Two assassination attempts, one pretend one this last weekend or
one that they wanted to say was for a while.
But notice this has just been crazy.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
You got a president stepping down, turning it over to
his vice president who hasn't faced a vote yet.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
No, never is the nominee that never had a single crazy,
just crazy. But all that said, if you take sixteen
and you take twenty, those were races that we were
told that Trump was losing outside the margin of error
one one. The other one came down to forty thousand
votes spread across four states that razor close, which he

(20:25):
was six points behind. And this one is many polls
have in my head. Some haven't dead, even you gotta
feel good about that. So I feel good. I don't
want to get I don't want to jinx it, but
I feel good. I feel like I'm witnessing coalition building
and people coming together not out of convenience, but under
a common cause that we cannot continue the way we.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Are right now. All right, let's break him in it
and instead talk about social media. We always talk about
it the impact is having on our children. But there
was a story out there today that phones, those smartphones
that probably a lot of your children now have, are
destroying their ability or to read a book.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Elite colleges have kids that have not ever read a book.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
And Jeremy Adams is an author of high school politics
and economics teacher. He wrote about that today. Jeremy, thanks
for joining us. What leads you to find out or
what information do you have that shows that our phones
are destroying our children's ability to read?

Speaker 7 (21:22):
Jeremy, Well, I mean there's a number of things. First
of all, when you just ask students how they spend
their time, you know, you ask them what they're doing
and the amount of time that they spend, you know,
scrolling looking at their phones doing things that have nothing
to do with actually looking at the written page. Is
categorically different than it was when we were children. You know,
in the nineteen seventies, most teenagers, over ninety percent of

(21:46):
teenagers spent at least fifteen minutes a day reading. Today
that numbers sixteen percent. There's only so many hours in
the day, and a lot of young people don't realize
how much time just completely get sucked away by staring
kind of maniacally at their screens hour after hour after hour,
and it just kind of squeezes out the possibility of reading.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
You know, you mentioned that it's statistics show that a
thirteen year old is more likely to read a book
than a seventeen year old. My kids are young adults
now I'm out of that window, but I hate that statistic.
I read books when I was thirteen. I read them
when I was seventeen. How do you reverse this? I mean,
I think you frame it so well, and we can
get into some of these details and they're not It's
not good news, folks, So but tell me, what do

(22:27):
you how do you change this? How do you reverse course?
Or can you There is.

Speaker 7 (22:33):
No magical solution here. There's no panacea, no elixir. We
have got to stop giving our kids these devices when
they're so young. I mean, their brains are literally being
rewired so they can't pay attention anymore. And by the way,
I am not picking on the kiddos. I'm not just
picking on the teenagers. It's happened to me. I mean,
I am a professional educator and writer who loves books,

(22:55):
and I can't read like I used to be able
to read ten or fifteen years ago. My attention span
is not as good as it used to be. You know,
it's interesting because when all of these technologies came out,
we assumed that there would be an advantage to kind
of affluent families that had access to devices and iPads,
and we would use these technologies to watch videos and
and really kind of achieve this Jeffersonian dream of of

(23:17):
being masters of civilization. And instead we watch cat videos
and we, you know, literally, you know, watch these these
reels hour after hour after hour, and they're they're rarely useful,
and to be profrely honest, I mean, I teach political
science for a living. You know, they're not they're not
watching things that inform them. They tend to be arbitrary,

(23:37):
They tend to be frivolous, they tend to be very
negative and and and I see this in my own children.
I mean, I'm I'm forty eight years old, and I
am that generation that's screwed up.

Speaker 8 (23:46):
I gave my kids to way too early.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
And so when I write about these issues, it's not
just as a as a teacher, it's as a dad.
My kids are just like that. They read when they
were younger. I gave them a device and it all stopped.
And I made that mistake and we have got to
reverse it. There's no magical trick.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Here, Jeremy. When you bring up the cat video, I
have a granddaughter who got caught up and said, Grandpa,
you got to look at this man. All these cat videos.
They're just fascinated by it. I want to go back
to a point you made. I remember several years ago now,
when the Harry Potter book started taking coming into existence,
and there was a Harry Potter hysteria. Everybody couldn't wait
to get their hands on the books. They'd have read

(24:27):
ins where kids would all get together and read the
book together. Are we ever going to see that time again?

Speaker 7 (24:32):
Do you think Jeremy, Well, no, with the curtain status,
I mean we're talking about I mean, and to be
perfectly honest, Fellas, there's a lot of bad things I
didn't even write about in the article. I mean, to
give you an example, you asked if we're going to
have anything like this? Not only we never going to
have anything like that again, I mean, I remember, I'm
old enough to I remember Stephen keanebook coming on the
nineteen eighties was a cultural phenomenon, right, people waiting around

(24:55):
for that like it was a movie. You cannot imagine
that today. And to give you some really bad news,
a lot of young people see writing like a lot
of us used to see about long division, Like you know,
we would say, why do you need the no long
division when you have a calculator with AI. A lot
of these students would say, why do I need to
learn how to write? You put in a prompt and

(25:15):
the AI will do it for you. And you and
I know, because we're older, that writing and thinking are
the same thing. You don't really know what you think
about something until you've written and talked about it. And
these critical thinking skills, the ability to think to communicate
and Fellas, I mean, for me, I find inspiration when
my mind is wondering when I'm bored, when I'm driving

(25:37):
or taking a shower, or taking a walk or jogging.
Our children's minds never wonder, they're never bored. It's this frivolity,
this ubiquitous frivolity that never ends. And so you're gonna
have a whole generation that they don't they don't communicate,
they don't read, and they don't wonder, and that, to
me is a real problem because that's where all great
insight and inspiration come from.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
I'm I'm just so sad about all this because I
see the continuation to young adults. I see it with me.
So I'm as you're saying this, I'm thinking. So I
get a text read I've got all of my friends
from Pittsburgh on this text thread. We watch the Steelers game.
I watch the Steelers game with my family, my kids,
and my wife. Yell at me because my head's in
my phone because I'm texting about the game and the
plays that we're watching, and my eyes are not watching

(26:21):
the actual game itself. So here I am with my family.
We watch it every time we watch this this, But
now I'm just busy commenting on what we're what's happening there,
and my head's in my phone. So I feel guilty
of this too.

Speaker 7 (26:35):
No, we are a society that is perpetually manically distracted
at all times. You know, we are never present, We're
never in the moment. You know, We're always multitasking. And
when you're multitasking, then you're never going to find excellence
in any one thing. And that's really when you get
good at something, is when you're focusing on one thing.
And that's why I mean in the classroom, you know,

(26:56):
I know I'm considered to be kind of a crank
and a curmudgeon, but I tell my students on the
first day, no phones. I don't want them on your desks.
I don't want those dang things in your ears. You
know why, kids, because I am I am absolutely selfish
for your attention. I can't teach you, I can't inspire
you unless I am greedy for your attention. And we
have to start to be greedy for the attention of

(27:18):
our children again, otherwise they will be lost.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Jeremy, Jeremy, A final question for you, what about teachers?
I mean, how frustrated are they right now? If they're
dealing with some kids who don't want to learn, even
though I think that's been a part of education for
a long time. Don't want to learn but also aren't
interested in reading. How frustrating is that to teachers?

Speaker 7 (27:39):
Well, I mean it's incredibly frustrating because I want you
to think about all the things that we experience when
we were younger. I mean, things like falling in love.
Young people don't date, things like the books that changed
our lives. They don't read, you know, politics, Well, they're
very cynical. Forty percent of gen Zer's so that the
founding fathers were villains. I mean, so when you look
at politics, you look at relatetionships, you look at books.

(28:01):
I mean, fellas my students, they are interested ins so bad.

Speaker 8 (28:04):
They don't even watch movies.

Speaker 7 (28:06):
So all these things that kind of inspired your life
and gave you a sense of what's possible in the
human condition, these avenues have all been shut to them
because of this obsession with the phones and the technology.
And so you ask what it's like as a teacher,
it's demoralizing. Imagine having you know, buried treasure in your
backyard and it's not that deep, but you can't even

(28:26):
give the kids a shovel because they don't know how
to use it.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
That's how it feels, well, Jeremy Adams Sarah, thank you, Jeremy,
author of High School of Politics and Economics teacher. You
and I are very similar. We love to read, yes,
I mean you know we were talking about growing up as kids,
we'd always read those little classic novels, yeah, that were
out there and in illustrated form. In many cases, we
love to read. I don't see a lot of kids

(28:49):
picking up books. I remember the Harry Potter hysteria that
took place, and kids were buying them they couldn't wait
to come out. But I don't even know if that
would happen anymore.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
What's scary and what he brought up. And I really
did appreciate this column, and I'm you know, I'm going
to share this with others too. Is that Jeremy's a
high school teacher. He points out, it's not just books,
it's movies. They won't even go sit down, buy a movie,
go get a bunch of popcorn and take a date
and sit in a seat and watch a movie if
they if it means that their eyes cannot be on

(29:18):
their phone.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
All right, more coming up on the rod and Greg Joe,
do you let things pile up and then put them
away or well?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
I think today. My wife's worked very hard. Queen Bee
Christ has worked hard to domesticate me.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
I was, I was.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
I was kind of like a feral human and she
married me and I was kind of like raised by
wolves or similar to And it's taken a long taken
decades to domesticate me. Yeah, do a bit. It's a
little bit, not a lot, but enough to better than
I was a lot of discussions a feminine thing though,
it's just fine thing. Which when she says this house

(29:55):
is a wreck, I'm like, this house is fine. I
think we're living in lap of luxury. Everything looks great.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
I have my oldest son, Big Mitch. Yeah, we call
him mister Belvetere. If anything is out of place, he
goes nuts. Really he goes That's funny I would do.
And it's younger brother.

Speaker 9 (30:14):
We both know me. He works here. He's a pig,
couldn't man. I respect that.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
It's just a pig.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I respect his game.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
He's gotten better as he gotten older. But he was
to put his stocks at the end of the bed
so he didn't have to take him off.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, smart kid.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, all right, our number two Rod and Greg on
the way to day with us.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
We got so much coming in in real time. And
this race, yeah, it just has twists and turns. But
I like what I'm seeing out there, so it's it's
hard to not talk about the race.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah, and we want to hear from our listeners because
three weeks from today they'll be voting. Many of them
may have already voted. I mean, built a ballast in
Utah go out today.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
From what I understand, and I want to know, are
you are you discouraged to the point of and with
election integrity that you're not going to bother? Are you
keeping your fingers crossed? Do you think it's legit? I
mean what I mean, I'm I'm curious, but our listeners
always have the best insights, so I'd be curious to
see what they what they say about all this.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Yeah, Well, and I'm going to go back to my point.
I think people want something done. I think people are
scared of this election. And you have questions. I do
because I keep on saying that I can lay this out.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Well, I keep trying to answer it for you, and
then you bring up the question and so clearly I
have not satisfied this issue for you because you think
it is still outstanding. Tell me what is what is
it that the voter that has the choice to make
between Kamala Harris and Trump? What are they afraid of?

Speaker 1 (31:45):
The Trump voters? Okay, people who support Donald Trump? And
there are a lot of the men you and I
run into a lot of them in this state in particular.
They are so afraid of Kamala Harris and what the
progressives will do to this country. It comes down to
that shoe. They are so afraid of her. She is
putting out this this image of being moderate and wanting

(32:07):
to talk to each other and come together. She could
give a rat petit about that. And I think people
sense that. The guys over to Axios did a two
part column today and yesterday and they said, what would
the nation look like with Kamala at the head of
the nation as head of the nation and the Democrats

(32:29):
controlling both the House and the Senate. You read that, Greg,
and a publication that is progressive government and a progressive publication,
I mean anywhere from the courts to climate change to
forcing what the progressives in this country want to do
to the American people. And if she's in charge and

(32:51):
has the Senate and House behind her, Sally hang under
your hats. That's why people are afraid of her. And
that's why they're afraid of her.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
I won't say, but I heard an old school I
would call them, maybe an establishment former US senator in
a crowd, this is probably more than a month ago,
probably six weeks ago, say that they did not expect
the Republicans to win the House, Senate and the presidency
and kind of insinuated that he was fine. This is

(33:19):
a Republican retired not from Utah senator by the way,
a retired senator who seemed absolutely fine with the idea
that Trump would not win the presidency so long as
there were Republicans in control of the Senate or one
of those other bodies. Do you think that that mitigates
some of the fear that Americans have?

Speaker 1 (33:38):
No, it may a little bit, but you know the
power of Congress, and Mike Lee spoke about this I
think yesterday at the Hinckley Institute. The power in this
government right now rests with the presidency, not Congress. Yes,
I mean the presidency issuing executive orders can do basically, Greg,
whatever they darn pleats and Congress is powerless. They don't

(33:59):
know where, don't even try to stop that. So that's
the fear that I have now, and and the fear
on the other side of the aisle. In my opinion,
she said today in an interview, he is a dangerous man.
Those on the left honestly believe if Donald Trump is elected,
he will round up all his political opponents and throw

(34:20):
him in jail like they have tried to do, and
he will do things in this country. Those on the
left are just so frightened of him. I mean, they
call him hitler, they call you nit an. They yeah,
I think they honestly do I really believe. I don't think.
I think really scares the daylights.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Out of him.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Why, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
I don't you know, because, as you have pointed out
in the past, Greg, in the four years he was
in the White House, did he do any of the
things they're accusing him of doing. If he's elected a
second not even close. Now, the fear may be he's
there a second time, he cannot run for reelection as
a result of that, So he's going to do whatever
he pleades, but they are so afraid that he'll turn

(35:05):
this country into a dictatorship that more of the power.
Even more so, then if he's elected, will rest at
sixteen hundred Pennsylvania ACTA venue and he'll be addictedd So
that when I say people are scared, they are so
afraid of what Kamala will do. And those who like
Kamala are so afraid of what Trump will do. That's

(35:25):
where I come to the conclusion this is a scared election.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
So let me ask you this. Trump has actually not
let go of this narrative that he would like Elon
Musk to have a major role in his administration fine
when elected, and he has said I think there are efficiencies.
I think it would not be hard for him to
identify how we could deliver the essential services that a
government should, but get rid of the waste and fraud

(35:48):
and abuse that is so prevalent in Washington, d C.
Does that strike fear and the heart of even the left.
Do they hear Elon Musk might get might be in
charge of budgets and does that make them afraid? All
the man landed a rocket back into the thing that
holds a rocket, and they're afraid of him too.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
You know why if he or if he goes in
and slims down government. Yeah, I think that's something that
we all need. Who controls the Democratic Party and who
in many ways unfortunately controls a large part of this
country today. The swamp, the bureaucrats, they control so much
of this country and what they do. You talk to

(36:27):
a small businessman, you talk to like Mike Scholz, who
will be speaking with later. They have policies coming on policies.
Nobody's telling them to stop. And I think that. So
you've got you've got the democratic machine over there with
Kamala Harris and said, I think she's a figurehead. By
the way, they're stronger shorre progressives behind her who want
to change the government. Then you have the swamp and

(36:50):
they get together and they're going to do everything they can.
That's where the fear comes from them about Donald Trump.
They're so afraid that Trump is going to get in
there and be a bullet china shop, which I think
a lot of the American people, including myself, would like
to see him. But that's what scares them.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I think. I don't disagree with what you're saying, I
think even the act of reform of that swamp asset
establishment they will frame as a dictatorial, fascist destruction of
our American institution. Yeah, that's what they'll call it. When
you decide I'm going to slash the budgets here, that
they are going to say that is dismantling this country,

(37:27):
not the people, but the institutions of which they've grown
and bloated. When he goes in to change that, they
would they would call that the destruction of democracy. That's
what they're going to say. And then the question becomes
do people buy into that or not? And I just
think there's I think the jaundiced eye is more common
amongst the people today than I've ever seen before. Truly.

(37:48):
I think it's doesn't fall on party lines as much anymore.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
I want to know and maybe you have an answer
on this one. This phrase put America first or make
America great again?

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Why does that scared or those on the left, because
I think they are afraid of that.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
You have a lunatic journalist in the in one of
the papers here that said that America First stadium, whatever
it is that the real plays in, needs that the
credit Unions, needs to change his names, wants to change it,
says America First is a Nazi, saying excuse me, America
first is again you have to do intellectual yoga to

(38:27):
get to that spot. It's just there's no truth to it.
There's no real common sense to it anyway. I I
do think though, that you we better be careful because
even even when we get and we'll get into it
in the third hour the discussion about tariffs, and I
think that Donald Trump was exactly right. He goes into
the belly of the beast with that Bloomberg, you know,
editor who loves terror or hates tariffs of any kind.

(38:50):
And he's not backing now. He's trying to explain it
to him and to others, and the crowd seems to
like it. But but you know that that crew has
been more than fine with slave labor producing things and
leaving out the everyday middle working class of this country.
The cheap socks at Walmart. I said this back in
twenty sixteen to people that we're tired of the cheap

(39:13):
socks from Walmart that you were able to import from
China or from wherever. We need jobs. We need to
be able to make things. We need to be able
to be a self sustaining nation that can create our
own and manufacture our own that's global supply chain. How
many times does that have to show us through COVID
and this recent almost strike of the Eastern coast portstock,
that we are just a couple bad unexpected decisions away

(39:35):
from having nothing pharmaceuticals, steel, building product, building materials, fuel.
We cannot be that dependent on this world. The America
needs to have these industries and these economic sectors here
at home. That's America first. That's not a Nazi thought.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
They're trying to turn it into that, aren't they. All right,
I want to get your phone calls on this. Are
you scared about the outcome of the election three weeks?

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Because Rod keeps using the word scared, and I think
have an version to the word scared.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Well, what you don't like ghosts?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
I don't like making decisions out of fear. I think
it's a terrible way to make it.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
But I think voters are making those decisions a little bit,
not entirely greg a little bit out of fear.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I think the weak Democrats make it out of fear.
I think the smart people voting for Trump are doing
it aspirationally. But I say that saying you do, you
have a very very good point. You're making a very
good point why people are afraid.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero
on your cell phone, Dal pound two fifty and say hey, Rod,
we want to find out if you're scared about the outcome.
The outcome that we may see three weeks from today
may not maybe several days after that. There's fear out there,
and the fear comes from you know, on one side,
you got the fear of Kamala and what her progressive

(40:52):
buddies and people who are really running her may do
to this country. Then you have the fear of the
Kamala supporters who just think Donald Trump, and she said
it today, Greg, he is a dangerous man.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, it's it's it is one of their plan. It
is it's always been their plan to not They don't
have enough to give you with her to vote for her.
It's just against Trump and that's always been their plan.
So they have to just use simple, simple terms like
that he's a dangerous man. But you you've called it
the the election of fear. It's like this is of
all the elections fear seems to be a greater factor

(41:28):
in the minds of voters in this election in twenty
twenty four than in the past.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yeah, I mean look at these past elections, Greg, did
you fear Barack Obama when he was elected back in
two thousand and eight. I didn't fear them, did we. No,
I didn't want them, but I didn't I didn't want
them either. But I tell you what, I was pretty
afraid of Hillary Clinton. I got to tell you something
that it was not a scenario I could live with.
But is the fear of her today, of her back

(41:55):
in twenty what was it twenty sixteen, sixteen, is it
greater than the fear you have a Kamala today twenty four.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
I know only because of what the destruction we've been
able to see them successfully inflict on us. In one term,
it's just moved faster than I thought. These culture wars, everything,
the curriculum that are in front of our kids, the
things that were just not even partisan. It was just
you don't chemically castraight kids. You don't let boys play

(42:22):
girls sports. You don't open a border and let everyone
go through, including terrorists and enemies of the state. None
of this was a partisan Those were not partisan issues
not long ago that somehow became a partisan issue that
you could even argue the other side of. And so
that I think that has raised my it's it's my

(42:42):
I am far more disturbed by that and alerted to
how important it is to not do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah, but you know, all right, let's go to the phones.
We want to get your feedback on this. Do you
fear the outcome of the election? Three weeks from today?
Eight eight eight five seven eight year old one zero
A on your cell phone. I'll pound two to fifty
and say, hey, Rod, do the phones we go. We
begin with Steve in Layton tonight, Steve, how are you?
Thanks for joining the Rod and Greg show. What are
your thoughts on this?

Speaker 10 (43:09):
Steve, Trump's gonna win by a mile. I'm not afraid,
you aren't afraid.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
But what if Kamala wins?

Speaker 10 (43:20):
She ain't going to.

Speaker 8 (43:23):
See her?

Speaker 10 (43:24):
Just just look at the new as she's got for
what a real man is.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Yeah, I have, I've you
better have a bucket, folks if you watch that thing,
because you're gonna get the dry heats minimally if you
watch this at It has no no resemblance to an
actual guy. What they think a guy is.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
It's terrible, all right.

Speaker 10 (43:46):
I thought my wife was gonna roll out of bed.
She was laughing so hard. The guy sitting on the tailgate.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, his has repose to
the side like you are not married, sir?

Speaker 7 (43:59):
Do not like?

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah, anyway, he's not all right, Steve, thank you didn't
we didn't we dig it? Aren't they all gay?

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:05):
A lot of Yeah, there's no, there's no.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
By the way, it was not produced by Kamala Harris.
It was produced by none other than Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah,
matter of fact, people, it's people put that put that
spot together. So just think about all that.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, it's it's something else. I I so, you know
you're hearing from one caller, but he's he's not afraid
because he is just he's feeling that momentum and and
and in the campaign, the Kamala Harris campaign is just
I think it's exceptionally inept. I don't think that with
Obama or Clinton or even Biden hiding in his basement

(44:42):
in twenty it came across as cringey and as offensive
as what we're seeing today.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
All right, back to the phones. Let's go to Nephi
and hear what Bill has to say tonight here on
the Roden Greg Show, Hi, Bill, how are you.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Pretty good? I was gonna say, you guys here talks
about being scared and were and all of this other stuff.
I'm not scared or worried. I'm just kind of curious
what's going to happen when when the sharp term catches
up with a large majority of people in this country.
The long term is what we're talking about, the presidency

(45:17):
or anything that happens in Congress. Nothing happens within a
matter of hours or days or even weeks in Washington EC.
But when the day comes that the seventy percent of
the people in this country that pay for everything with
a plastic card, bring the plastic card and stick it
in the machine, and it's declined, and it's declined everywhere

(45:41):
they go, that's going to be a whole different kettle
of fish from what they're worrying about the President's going
to do.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
That's a good point, Bill, finances in this economy, what's
going to happen to it?

Speaker 2 (45:53):
And look, that's that's whether they people on purpose pull
the plug so that you don't have electricity, or if
if you had, you know, some kind of one of
those where they call those pulses where they can disrupt.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
The U an electronic pol something.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, so you we're trying to harden the grid to
prevent that, but we don't have a bit. There's there's
just a lot that can happen that that power can
compel behavior, can't it. And so it's that is a
that is a real worry.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Let's go to Lee High and here what Gordon has
to say tonight. Gordon, Welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.
Go ahead.

Speaker 11 (46:28):
No, I just think I just think that Kamala Harris
and all the rest of them are all running scaled
that Donald trumk gets in because when you think of
everything that they have tried doing. We have, They've tried
and teaching them, They've tried getting them through the course.
They're trying every way to get them, and they are

(46:50):
scared that if he gets in, he might want to
get some retribution because he has got plenty of ammunition
that he can get you every one of them legally
for things that they have done. I mean, the bidens
for one, all the fraud, all the moneys that they
have got through from Russians and all the rest of them.

(47:14):
It's Kamala Harrison innocent. I do not believe for one
minute Chucky Schumer and all the rest we're a league
getting their money. I think they're scared that Donald Trump
gets in he might do the same to them as
he be done to him. The only he has got
the proof to.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Get it done.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Yeah, all right, Gordon, great observation. And I'll tell you
what I think will happen for sure if if Donald
Trump's elected, I think he's going to go after the
people that have politicized our our our criminal justice system,
and not just as some sort of revenge or retribution
because but for the reason he has said, if they

(47:56):
will go after me, understand they are going to come
after you. And we've actually we've seen this in different
forms where if you were if you went to a
pro life rally, you were arrested, you had committed a crime,
versus those that have been burning down and you know,
whether it's the you know, the Ferguson riot riots or
BLM riots where it didn't happen the same way we
have seen the you know, the politics play into our

(48:18):
criminal justice system. I think he will go to the
core of that and change that, and people will cry
about it and say, well, look he's trying to get
back at us. No, I think they are the ones
that have been disgraceful in how they've allowed the Justice
Department to attack people right of center.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
But those on the left fear what he would do
against his antagonists. Right. But let me tell you what, Greg,
he didn't do it. He could have done after Hillary
what he didn't when he was elected. All right, Moore,
coming up the Rod and Greg Show here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs. We've got some
callers and we're going to ask him. Either you can
hold or we'll get back with you here in a minute,

(48:52):
but we scheduled an interview. We really want to speak
with this gentleman. We're talking about Jim Showalz. He is
president of the Minnesota Prime Business Council and he's joining
us on our news maker line right now. Jim, how
are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 12 (49:07):
I'm doing well, guys, so great to be honest with you,
and I appreciate the opportunity.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Well, Jim.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Let's talk about the job that Tim Walls has done
to or as I'd like to call him, Little Timmy,
has done to the state of Minnesota when it comes
to business. What has happened as he has been governor
of that state.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Yeah, so it's hard to nowhere to start.

Speaker 12 (49:25):
But basically, any any measure, whether it be on crime,
or education or the economy, Tim Walls has been a
disaster for Minnesota. But on the economy, Minnesota is at
its slowest point of economic growth, and it's modern history.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
There's just no getting around that.

Speaker 12 (49:40):
Businesses headed for the exit, the businesses who are staying,
you know, not growing and the.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
Way they once did.

Speaker 12 (49:46):
The and it's been a combination of a variety of factors.
Tim Walls has dramatically increased government spending, dramatically increased taxes.
He's that's done such a terrible job on crime in
the state. Of course, presiding over the incredible riots that
that was so terrible for our state in twenty twenty
and so our businesses broadly are just really struggling in

(50:10):
the state. You know, historically Minnesota has been kind of
a light blue state, but kind of like, you know,
fairly responsible yet fairly responsible, kind of moderate governance.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
But with Tim Wallas, we kind of shifted to being
a kind of kookie.

Speaker 12 (50:24):
California style state, and we're getting the economic results to.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Get consistent with that.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
You know, Jim, I'm reading this tweet really caught our
eye and it really does kind of tell the truth
on where Minnesota is at, because it was always a
head scratcher every time he answers a question, whether it
was in the debate or he just brag about how
everything is better in Minnesota, the economy and everything. Well,
one of the interesting and you go point by point

(50:51):
and show what those economic indicators look like in Minnesota.
One that you that caught my eye, you that you
posted about, and we see this in Utah is and
they say that the crime has actually gone down, except
for violent crime that's gone way way up. Well, it
turns out you can't really ignore violent crime, so you
actually have to report it. Just because you don't file,
you don't actually pursue other crimes doesn't mean it went down.

(51:14):
It just meant that people either don't call the police
anymore because there's no point, or they're not going through
any effort to adjudicate it. Could that be the case,
why in the crime looks like it's going down, with
the exception of violent crime, which is up seventy five
percent since nineteen twenty nineteen.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
You are absolutely right that it's exactly right.

Speaker 12 (51:34):
You know, our story here in Minnesota is that at Minneapolis,
our largest city, our police force is about half the
size of what we need. Two Malls and others drove
so many cops into retirement early, and a lot of
people aren't entering. So a lot of crime is just
going unreported because folks know that the Minneapolis police force
is just totally understaffed, and that's true of other cities

(51:55):
as well, So some of the lower level crime doesn't
get reported. Well, you know, murders, you know, of course.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Those those reported at to.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Ignore exactly exactly.

Speaker 12 (52:05):
And so the reality is that in Minnesota, murder murders
are seventy five percent higher than they were in twenty
nineteen when Tim Wallas took office. And it's because Tim
Wallas has embraced every pro criminal, anti cop measure imaginable
and we're feeling the consequences of that. And you know,
there's all this boosterism out there, both in Minnesota and
nationally that crime is so far down. Well, the reality

(52:28):
is that's made modestly down in certain certain categories, but
it's still well above what it's ever ever been, you know,
because we're coming down from those highs of twenty twenty
and twenty twenty one, and so it's just there's a
lot of fake news out there when it comes to crime,
you know, in Minnesota and nationally.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, Jim, there there are a lot of good companies
that are based in Minnesota. I'm thinking of three Am,
I'm thinking of Target, But what about the small business
owner in Minnesota? How are they faring under two Walls's administration.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
Well, they feel the burden most most acutely.

Speaker 12 (53:04):
And it's a lot of the members of my of
my organization, it's these kind of small to mid size
some large businesses, but it's kind of that small to
mid sized business that are most of my members, and
they feel the burdens most acutely. You know, if you're
if you're a large, you know, multinational, you know, nothing
gets Target. But I'll use them as an example. You know,
you can insulate yourselves from from some of those huge

(53:25):
regulatory burdens, from some of the tax hikes things like that.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
But if you're a just a small business.

Speaker 12 (53:31):
Owner, you're a restaurant owner in Minneapolis, who's got you know,
drug deals happening outside your door, and you're getting tax
to death, that's really hard to deal with them to
be successful as a business. And so I would say,
I would say from a business perspective, it's just those
small business owners that are feeling it most acutely out there.
And then you just see it too, you know, from
a you know, non economic perspective, it's that ordinary person

(53:54):
who you know, isn't isn't wealthy, doesn't live in a
gated community, things like that, who feel who feels that
crime burden in most most acutely because they're they're there,
they'll live in the best neighborhoods.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
But hang on, there's a CNBC study that's the ranks
minisot are very very high as a very business friendly state,
measuring weight waiting taxes or the burden of taxes on
businesses as equally with de I measures and other social policies.
Maybe you could explain, is that really a measure of
business friendly state the social policies with tax burden?

Speaker 12 (54:28):
Yes, yeah, I mean that's what the the Quid Essentials
take news out there. C n d C does this
ranking ranking every every year about kind of what the
what the most competitive states are for business and so
forth and the and you know, Minnesota breaks highly on
that lately. It's basically because they shoot horn all these
kind of social policies into it.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
It's like, you know, look, we can talk about what the.

Speaker 12 (54:49):
Best way to you know, to have voting stuff in
our in our in our respective states should be. But
I'll tell you, you know, the our approach to voting isn't
nearly as relevant as tax policy, regulatory policy, and otherwise
for our states. But of course the NBC does it
so that they can make all these blue states look
a lot better than red states. And so they did

(55:11):
that for Minnesota. And that's what Tim Walls always sites
out there. But I mean that guy, I mean it's
he's a habitual, habitual liar, habitual mister eventually misrepresents so
much of his record and otherwise in this case is
no exception.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Now apparently not a very good hunter either, either. Jim, Jim,
we appreciate a few minutes of your time and shedding
light on what's going on in Minnesota under Tim Walls.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Thank you, Jim, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
All right, that's Jim Shultz. He is president of the
Minnesota Strategies Group. I'm sorry Minnesota Private Business Council, I
should say, talking about Jim, Tim Walls and what's going
on in Minnesota. Not a very pretty picture, is it? Great?
All right? More coming up with Rod and Greg in
Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine kN arrest. All right,
should we go to the phone.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Let's please, let's go to the phones and let's talk
to Lee and West Jordan. Thank Leah, thank you for
holding patiently and calling the Rod and Greg show. What
do you say about this election that we're in right now?

Speaker 13 (56:09):
Well, I think the people who are the most afraid
are the Democrats. And let me make my point. There
are three ads that I saw that were put out.
The ones for the rural men. There was another shame
tactic by Barack Obama to the black men, and then
there was another one put out to the gay community.

(56:32):
And in all of those instances, I felt like they
were targeting the demographic, but they completely missed the message.
They do not know their audience. For example, with.

Speaker 12 (56:45):
The rural men.

Speaker 13 (56:46):
Most of the men I know that are from the
country are brilliant. They are wealth bought and I don't
care how many people, how many men you're going to
put on a the end of a truck, Come on,
Harris is not going to convince the rest of the
country that her message is right on the same with

(57:07):
the Barack Obama, I felt like he was very very
common spending and acted like the men wouldn't want women.

Speaker 14 (57:16):
Most of the men I.

Speaker 13 (57:17):
Know, whether they're black or white or whatever, they are
not afraid of a woman president. So they're targeting the
demographics that they are completely missing their messages, and I
think they're scared well, and.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Leah, I think they aren't afraid of a woman being president.
They're afraid of this woman present.

Speaker 14 (57:39):
Absolutely, and I am completely on the same page with you. Absolutely,
they are not stupid, and you know, I don't know,
I don't understand why they think we are, but they
are completely out of touch with those demographics. And Doc
Trump knows those demographics, and if he doesn't know them perfectly,

(58:03):
he is out there in the field trying to understand
them and understand their messages. Kamala Harris won't even give
us a straight answer in the press. I've listened to.

Speaker 13 (58:14):
Her, I mean we all have, yes, I mean I
would not trust her with my kidnergarten class.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Leah, you are so spot on her. I so appreciate that.
I mean, she she just rattled down the absolute tone
death pretend pat political pageantry that does not reach men.
It is not appropriate to berate those that you would
like to support the candidate of your choice, like Barack
Obama did to black men in Pittsburgh and whatever they're doing.

(58:42):
It just it does. It shows a fundamental disconnect. It does.
And I I mean, what what what fuels that? Maybe
it is a panic on their side.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Well, look at look at what she proposed yesterday for
black men. I mean they are really concerned, obviously in
the Democratic Party about reaching black men, right, So what
does she propose yesterday. I'll give you twenty five thousand
dollars for you know, if you're starting up with business,
to support that business. And oh, by the way, you
can spoke all the pot you want. No, we don't care. Yeah,
all the want recreational pot. I pledge, I promise I'll

(59:15):
get you black men recreational pot. Legal.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah, just you know, she turns, she turns into cartoon characters,
not nice ones either. Voters. But by the way, black
women they see this comes from CNN, of all sources,
they're showing a smaller percentage of women. It's a large
block as seventy three percent of black women. That was
ninety three percent for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, ninety
three percent of black women, seventy three for Kamala Harris,

(59:43):
who's a woman of color, and she's getting a lower
amount lower votes than Barack Obama, Hillary or Biden. So
they're in trouble. I mean, I just think it's I
just don't think what they're selling many people are buying.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Yeah, I agree. Right when we come back, the esteemed
leader of the Utah House, Mike Schultz, will join us.
Speaker Shultz, yep, coming out, stay with us.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
So if it's in the news, you're gonna you're gonna
hear it like likely on this program.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Well, the news tells you what we tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Why, man, I heard I've heard this somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
This sounds like a I came up with that idea.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
I think a marketing genius has been doing this for
maybe eighty years. The one Roder.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Wow, eighty years all right. You know the interesting thing
about Donald Trump, if he is elected and we're all
hoping he will be, is as he's looked at Elon
Musk and he said, Elon, I need you to look
at the federal government and do a whack job on
this thing and see where we can find some efficiency.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I know we talked about in the program. It's exciting.
It's really there's a lot of people that and I
think rightly so are really love Elon Musk, love all
the innovation he brings. I mean, he just landed a
rocket back into the thing that holds a rocket. It's
a crazyest thing I've ever seen. So the guy is
that he's saving the astronauts that NASA can't get out
of space and Space station, and he's just doing incredible things.

(01:01:07):
I think President Trump is very serious about bringing him
into his administration to look for cuts efficiencies. And then
I look at this might be my favorite headline rod
that I've read about House Speaker Mike Schultz. It says
House Speaker Mike Schultz wants more efficiency out of higher
education and to redirect cuts to bolster workforce alignment of schools.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Oh I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
So joining us on the program is a speaker Schultz
to talk about. Uh, you've certainly caught the attention of
not only just Higher ED, but the Tribune, the media.
They're all talking about it now. Speaker, you're looking for
some efficiencies yourself. This isn't just Trump and Elon talking.
This is you. You're you're saying, I need to see
some efficiencies out there.

Speaker 8 (01:01:51):
Well, we certainly caught the attention of Higher Eds.

Speaker 15 (01:01:54):
Right, Thank you, Thank you, Rod, And I appreciate that's
seem to be here and discuss these what the goals are,
So I really appreciate this conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
How big of a task is this, Mike. I mean
you look at the universities and they're great universities that
we have in the state, but they are massive. I mean,
how do you approach something like this or how do
you think it should be approached?

Speaker 8 (01:02:20):
Well, that's a really good question. It's not easy and
that's why it's never been done before. And so I
think the best way and we all know this, but
the Constitution gives the legislature the power of the purse
and that's what we are enacting right here, right now,
and that's what the goal is, and I want to
just maybe start off, and you guys, I think framed

(01:02:41):
it really really well. Coming from the private sector and
into government sometimes can be a little bit frustrating or
a lot frustrating and seeing the inefficiencies that are out there.
And we work really hard as a state legislature to
hold our state agencies accountable through the budgeting process, but
for whatever reason, Higher ed always gets a pass on that,

(01:03:03):
and the legislature or nobody else for that matter, has
really held them accountable for a really long time. And
let me just kind of go into what, you know,
a couple examples of what I'm talking about. So, in
twenty fifteen, Salt Lake Community College's administrative cost per student
was about three two thousand, nine hundred ninety eight dollars
per student. Today or in twenty twenty three, that number

(01:03:27):
rolls one hundred and forty three percent, So over nine
year period it rows one hundred and forty three percent
to seven two hundred and eighty dollars per student. The
University of Utah during that same time period went from
four thy one hundred and seventy six dollars. I've had
one hundred and twelve percent increase and is now eighty
eight hundred and forty one dollars per student per year.

(01:03:49):
These are numbers. That's why you're seeing costs of higher
ED skyrocket. And we're going to do all we can
to bring those costs down and make them more affordable
for for the citizens of our state. That is the
key goal.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Well, those administrative costs, when you divide them out per student,
I don't know what administrator would would think that they
that their budgets would see over one hundred percent increase,
and that I was on the clock in twenty fifteen
there in the speaker's share, and so that's not for me.
That's not a long time to see those budgets explode
for administrative costs over one hundred percent. So I think

(01:04:24):
you're onto something here, Speaker. Let me ask you this.
When we talked about cuts or we talked about higher ED,
they always came back to me or to us and say, well,
you're gonna have We're gonna have to get it from
the students. Then you're going to have to raise tuition costs.
If we can't get it from the state, got to
go to these students and get it. How are you
going to because I know you're doing it to try
and stop the expense of the prohibitive cost of tuition

(01:04:45):
for students. How do you persuade or how do you
make sure that they don't go and find these costs
from tuition instead of the state.

Speaker 8 (01:04:53):
Yeah, that's a really really good question. So what the
plan is right now? So we're going to say we're
going to leave it up to the and you know,
by the way, you know, we'll see where this ends up.
Right now, we're talking ten percent. That's probably going to
be easier for a University of Utah, maybe not as
easy personal college. So we'll see where this where this
all shakes out. But we're going to make the make

(01:05:13):
the cuts, okay, and we'll make those cuts in the
base budget is what's being talked about right now. And then,
depending what those cuts look like, we're going to give
the flexibility to the universities with a set of UH
guidelines and then and then we're going to ask them
to come back and report to execut Appropriations and to
Higher ed Appropriations of what those cuts look like and

(01:05:36):
how they would like to reappropriate those dollars. If they
come back and say we're making these cuts here, we're
going to put it over here, and something that doesn't
benefit the workforce and doesn't move the Higher ED in
the right area, then we're going to say no. And
we're going to say, by the way, no, you're not
going to raise tuition either. And so it really is
a pretty big stick that we have over Higher ED

(01:05:56):
in that. But but the goal is to work collaboratively
with them. I think we'll get a better outcomes if
we do that, and so that's what we're really working
hard to do. And if they want to just turn
around and raise the cost of tuition, then they're not
going to get that ten percent cuts back and be
able to reallocate them.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Speaker Shoultz. Of course, we've had a real debate going
on in this country for a couple of years now
about student loan forgiveness, and when the federal government kind
of took over the student loan program many many years ago,
the cost of higher education kept on going up and
up and up, and nobody seemed to question it. Why not,
do you think, why were you so afraid why?

Speaker 8 (01:06:38):
I don't know why, but it's ridiculous, and we're going
to fix that here. In the state of Utah. One
of the other things that we're going to work that
we're working on as well is streamlining degrees. Right, you
talk to anybody that's went through and received a degree,
and almost every one of them will tell you they
took a lot of classes that they felt were useless
and didn't help them to move forward. So we're going

(01:07:01):
to be working to reduce credit the credit hours required also,
which will then in turn said money. Look, if we
don't get ahead of these costs higher ED, it's not
going to it's just not sustainable going forward. And you know,
we're fortunate we have pretty good universities in the state
of Utah. When you compare them to other universities outside

(01:07:23):
of Utah, our costs really are pretty low. But it's
still unaffordable for Utahns. And so this is part of
what we're doing to make Utah more affordable for the
citizens of the state and reducing or stopping the growth
of higher ED costs and tuition increases.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
So I hope our listeners are hearing from a speaker.
Speaker of the House and the power of the person
the legislative branch should have federally, just like it has
as we're hearing from the say of Utah and you,
Speaker Shultz, uh right now. I think that a lot
of that duty falls on the executive branch. But if
if if you need help on this, are you gonna

(01:08:02):
call Elon Musk? You get get in there. Those guys
don't come back with good cuts. Are you gonna call him?
I'd like to know you are.

Speaker 8 (01:08:09):
Absolutely. I'd love to get Elon Musk into this conversation.
But you know what, that's what happens when you bring
private sector into government. You find the efficiencies, you find
better ways for government to work. And that's really the
overall goal. And you know, when we start looking at this,
and it'll surprise you how many programs are in our

(01:08:29):
universities the only produce one to three graduates per year,
and they got a whole program stood up. It's just inefficient.
There's a chance here to reform it and put the
money where it's most beneficial, that benefits the students, benefits
our state, and creates more high paying jobs throughout the state.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Spiger Schultz, you can't do this alone. Do you get
a sense the power of the houses behind you?

Speaker 6 (01:08:52):
Have?

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
You got lawmakers there who are going, yeah, we can
do this. Let's do it.

Speaker 8 (01:08:57):
You know what, and former Speaker of Views will appreciate this.
So we took this to our caucus about two months
ago and I told them what I'd like to do
and got a unanimous vote. Took a caucus position that
this is and it was unanimous. So you know, I
wouldn't go out. You know, if you're going to go

(01:09:17):
out and do something like this, you got to have
your caucus and the Republicans behind you. They are solid
behind me. Just as common sense. We need to do it.
We do it with other state agencies. It's time to
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
To hire ed. I love it, Mike Johnson, Speaker Mike Johnson,
and Congress doesn't know a day of a unanimous caucus
and you know, getting behind something as smart and as
good as this. Thank you, Speaker Schultz. Appreciate the time.

Speaker 8 (01:09:45):
Thanks for covering it. You guys have a great, great evening.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
All right, same to you. That is Speaker Mike Shultz.
So the Utah House of Representatives talking about a plan
to cut ten percent from Utah's higher institutes of education.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Yes, I think it's He's absolutely right. And to see
those administrative costs balloon out like that. It's there's not
a lot of justification for it, especially when you know households,
businesses the real world. Utah, we don't. We're not operating
under those those kinds of map, that kind of math.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Y got to go back to the question, then, asked,
nobody has questioned higher education as to why the cost
of an education in this country has gotten so high?

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Did you hear me? They stand up degrees that have
like three graduates and it's still an entire department. Yeah,
come on, Yeah, that's that's got to end.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
More coming up Rod and Greg right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Kate and are asked, is it a Republican party? Well,
that come, it's a Republican and a Republican party. If
it's a Republican Republican Party and it's a Democrat and
a Democrat, you just want to argue today. I don't
want to argue. I'm just saying they get different words
for for singular employee. If you're a Republican and you're
in the Republican Party, then you're a Democrat and the
Democrat Party. End a story for me, and we get

(01:10:55):
criticized and that's my Yeah. Well, people have tried to
correct me, but I will not be corrected on this.
It is you're right because I'm yes, I don't have
the luxury of the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
You just know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Yes, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
That's true. So we talk about the election a little
bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
I love it. I can't get enough of it, really,
because we're you know, I feel like we're winning. Man,
I feel good. Is making me mad.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
The Democrats, Greg, as you know, are freaking out Kamala Harris.
She went on Charlemagne to God, I've never listened to
the guy. I don't know what it is. Yeah, but
you know, she is reaching out to black men. They're
so afraid of black men not voting for Kamala Harris
because they're losing them. Because they're losing them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
That's right, legitimate.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Well, apparently not only young black men, young white men,
and young Hispanic men are not falling into line with
the Democratic Party. So NBC party, I'm sorry, it was
topical with a Republican party in Donald Trump. Right, So
NBC New News, in all its wisdom, decided to go

(01:12:02):
out this weekend to an Atlanta Falcons football game.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Oh, this will be perfect MSNBC Atlanta football game.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
People of color. Yeah, they wanted to talk to young
men and get their thoughts about what they think of
Kamala Harrison is going to go Doronald Trump. You'll list
to this, You'll enjoy it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
All right. I'm at NBC News. We're trying to talk to.

Speaker 16 (01:12:20):
Young voters and among young men at this NFL stadium
in a battleground state.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Probably I'll vote probably for Trump.

Speaker 16 (01:12:26):
You want to talk to your planet A vote for Trump,
And I'm growing support for former President Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:12:32):
Why Donald Trump.

Speaker 8 (01:12:33):
I enjoyed his policies and he did treat.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
Us pretty well.

Speaker 16 (01:12:36):
For generations, the youth vote has favored Democrats.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
You go first.

Speaker 16 (01:12:40):
But this year, does it feel like more young people
are becoming more conservative or trending in that directory? Definitely,
it's a gap that's shrinking with young men driving that shift.
Vice President Kamala Harris's lead among men eighteen to twenty
nine now within the margin of error. Vice President Harrison,
because I'm not voted for anybody else but President Biden

(01:13:02):
one young man by eleven points in twenty twenty exit polls.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
For many of them, it's all about one issue.

Speaker 12 (01:13:09):
Well, the obvious issue is going to be the economy issues.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
You care mostly about that.

Speaker 15 (01:13:12):
The economy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
Economy is a top issue for you.

Speaker 15 (01:13:15):
Why.

Speaker 17 (01:13:17):
I mean, I'll work in and I'll live alone, so
that's a big part for me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
Yeah, there you go. You have young men, they're working.
It's the economy that's what they go back to.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Look, i mean the Democrats up until this very election,
within a few weeks ago, they cared more about men
that wanted to be women than they cared about men. Okay,
so now all of a sudden they want to be
all man. They want to talk about men, and how
presumptuous that they expect people's votes. They don't get them.
I don't know why anyone would want to vote for
a Democrat. And I'll tell you that that's with a
shy Trump vote. I mean, they know when I see

(01:13:49):
MSNBC on the microphone where they're going, and they still
tell them they're voting for Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
You know, I'm about to bring on a caller on
the show, and I hate when callers agree with you
and say you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
So you've found one that doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
No, I found one that does, you know, and it's
you're so hard to handle when a caller comes on
and agrees with what you have to say. That's why
I want to bring on Keith. Keith is in Utah County, Okay,
and he has his expertise when it comes to the
debate over the Democratic Party or the Democrat Party. Keith,
welcome to the Rock for the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Program, sir, Oh, thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:14:26):
So the Democratic Party, that would be an adjective describing them,
and they're anything but democratic. Democrat is the party. It
isn't the Democrat the boy. They sure are anything but.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
So it's it's okay to just call him the Democrat Party.

Speaker 6 (01:14:49):
Yeah, that's what they are.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
That's exactly what they are. Hey, Keith, thank you very much, sir.
I just makes you feel good. It's not we say democratic.
It has a different meaning than the part.

Speaker 9 (01:15:00):
It's it's something that's a very good point.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
And so I just I rejected. We don't say we're
not we're republicans. Not republic They're not democratic, they're democrats.
We're republicans, they're democrats.

Speaker 9 (01:15:14):
And that's that's make.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Like, Okay, give you know, we may have come up
with the stupid topic because he's wicked smart.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Okay, give the we already have our prize winner. Give
it to our caller. He was, he's super smart. I mean,
you have a hard time not still being a part
of it. So when you're in Hawaii, you're listening. I
can tell you're listening. I get a message from you.
You're listening to the show in Hawaii. You've done it before, So.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
I'm not going to Hawaii this time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
You're not. But I am actually holding out hope that
you're going to call in or actually.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Well, I may be backed. Yeah, I'm not sure how
long this, uh this is going to take, but I
may be back on maybe Friday. But my wife looks
at me, she says, just take the time off.

Speaker 9 (01:16:00):
You need to call him tomorrow. Tomorrow. If you're a
real man, just take the time off.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
She will miss you. We want you to ye.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Well, thank you, thank you very much for that. Donald
Trump certainly created some interesting times today speaking to a
with Bloomberg News. It was a economic club in Chicago.
A lot of the talk great. He went after the
liberal moderator, which I thought was funny. But he also
you know, he had a lot of people in the
crowd who were cheering for what he was saying. Pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
He certainly won over the crowd. Yeah, and this and
it's a timely issue. I mean, it's you called the
belly of the Beast Bloomberg News there certainly against any
of his talk on imposing any tariffs at all. And
but you know, the one credit I will give, I
don't think that the interviewer is very pro Trump. He
doesn't have to be. But he did let everybody know that.

(01:16:50):
They asked Kamala Harris to participate in the same form
and she declined. She declined she did not want to
have any kind of in depth discussion, economic discussion of
which Trump was more than happy to have with them,
even if they might not like what he said. Now,
this is a this is a twenty second blurb. Can
I play it now? This is just twenty seconds. It's
not super substantive, but it is. It goes to the

(01:17:11):
President's humor when he knows that he's with somebody who
profoundly disagrees with them. Let's just let's have a listen.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
My question is about your allies, not about China.

Speaker 15 (01:17:22):
You are going to annoy our allies rally behind you.

Speaker 17 (01:17:26):
But our allies have taken advantage of us more so
than our enemies, our allies, or the European Union. We
have a trade deffisit of three hundred billion dollars with
the European Union.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
My question is about you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
So there's that one. There's another one out there where
he said that I have where he says, you know,
it must be hard for you when when someone disagrees
with you for twenty five years, you've been wrong on something.
Here it is right here. Let me play this one too.
I love this one. Okay, let's see this is yeah,
let me get to it. So does the Wall Street Journal? No,
I'm meeting with them tomorrow. What is the Wall Street

(01:18:02):
channeral that they've been wrong about everything? So of you,
by the way, you've been wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
You're trying to turn this.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
You're trying to turn this.

Speaker 15 (01:18:08):
You've been wrong, and you're trying to turn You're trying
to turn this into debate.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
There are business people You're wrong. You've been wrong.

Speaker 17 (01:18:15):
You've been wrong all your life on this stuff. What
is the Wall Street Churnal?

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Me, I just I just love it. And you know,
did you hear the clapping? I mean the people that
these are business owners that are in here, They are
there and and I think this, this debate about terrace
is absolutely interesting because this is one of the areas
where uh, my Republican friends and I have disagree or
we've debated this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
You're for tariffs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
I am one hundred percent for terarifs because I'm for
fair trade, which is very different than free trade. Free
trade allows for other countries to take our exports that
we would send to their country, create barriers, expensive barriers
for us to access their their consumers, their middle class,
their buying class, create those barriers, while at the same
time enjoying free and unfettered access with no tariffs into

(01:19:01):
our economy. And what's good for the goose is good
for the gander. And I think that fair trade is
one where you cooperatively lower barriers together. China lowers them,
our European Union allies lower them, and we lower them
as well. But where it's just you have no tariffs
and we have prohibitive tariffs, that is not designed for

(01:19:24):
our success.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Donald Trump says, with these tariffs, more companies will want
to come back to the United States and make their
products in the United States, and that's create jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Is there proof of that?

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Well, first, you have the example he gives in this
forum where John Deere factor was going to leave. He says,
if you do, and I'm president, we're going to see
a tariff on the way back. And they're now reconsidering
that decision. But when I was as the Speaker of
the House and we had this for many speakers before
me and Senate presidents in the Utah legislature, these trade missions.
They would come, the leaders of a province would come

(01:19:57):
to Utah for one year. We show them what we do.
We go over there, we talked to US trade representatives,
so I talked to the US consulate in Shanghai. What
China does is it creates these prohibitive terraffs for say
automakers like GM that it costs a ton for them
to bring their automobiles to a market of a middle class,

(01:20:21):
a buying class in China. That's at least these are
numbers from when I was on the clock. There are
three hundred million. To give you an idea, that's not
your old, that's not your young, that's your those are
your upperly mobile people in the buying class. Where we
have three hundred and fifty million maybe total in our country,
old young, and you know, young and middle class. So

(01:20:41):
three hundred million. We can't access that middle class unless
we do this. China says, okay, GM, you can either
pay the tariff or build your plant here in China,
and they do. So we have GM plants. We have
American automakers who are domiciled in China hiring their workers
to make their automobiles to sell and access the buying

(01:21:01):
class in China, which is successful. Instead of us being
able to build those automobiles and send them across, if
they lowered those tariffs, then we would have a more
equal playing field. So I'm just saying, look, the cheap socks,
the cheap stuff you can buy that comes in from China,
it only takes you so far, especially when you start
losing a working class in this country and you don't

(01:21:22):
have you don't have the jobs we need. People fundamentally
need jobs to raise their families that take care of themselves.
We need these industries. And by the way, have you
seen our global supply chain during COVID how quickly things eroded.
We had thirty six ports on the East coast and
the Gulf almost that we're going to close, and it
was and we talked about the scenario how quickly you

(01:21:43):
can start to impact us negatively. Global supply chains and
real time inventory do not necessarily work. We are a
much stronger nation if we are building and creating and
even exporting around the world, starting here in the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
And you and Donald Trump believe that if you have
those tears, there will be companies that will make their
product and sell their product here in the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Yeah, they get two choices. You got it. And he says,
you got to go hire in ten percent. If you're
going to do that, you got one of two choices
to avoid the tariff, domicile here and make it in
the United States, or lower your terraffs. Make it equal.
So we're treating each other. Make it a two way street,
and then you have all the trade you want.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
You know, I forgot it. And you brought this up when
we were talking about this and prepping for the show today.
Milk into Canada. Canada does not take our milk. Cows
are bad?

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
What Oh no, they're happy to take it with a
giant tearariff.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
All right, So they're protecting their own dairy endusty correct
in Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Yeah, you can't get your milk up north if you
if they put a nice fat tariff on that, and
so what Trump says, Okay, that's fine, We're going to
tear if your milk in Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Oh we did we do that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Yes, we did under his administration, we did it. And
it's it creates a pause, and it creates a everybody
has to think how they want to treat each other,
because what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Now someone says, well, so small United States is so big. Well,
if you're gonna use that logic, can't. China's so big,
We're so small, So you can't really in other words,
economies of scale. I swear to you that if you

(01:23:10):
want real trade, you make it fair. You don't create
barriers for us where we can't export anything into these
other countries that we produce because we could do this,
they create those barriers for us, But we are somehow
supposed to you know, look and say, oh, well we're
just gonna everything's gonna be more expensive if we put
terraffs on it. Hey, what are you going to leverage
with and what are you going to negotiate with? Otherwise,

(01:23:32):
if you don't start putting these tears. They have nowhere
to go, Rod, They've already tariffed everything. When we put
terrafs on it. They can go ahead and put more,
but they'll just lose those exports or what we export
to them.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Ken, I think it's our second largest trading company. Yeah,
with Mexico's number one. I think Canada is number two.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
I'm telling you that you gotta have fair trade. It's
fair trade, not free, because it's not free. There is
no such thing as free trade. It is. It comes
at a cost, and we're always on the wrong end
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
And that's what Donald Trump has realized for a long
long time. All Right, Moore, coming up, final segment of
the Rod and Greg Show. You're on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine K and RF. Go ahead and
read that. It's an interesting post and we're trying to
figure out exactly what it all means.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
It's not a good bit of news if accurate, and
I wouldn't know why it wouldn't be if it's a
member of the media that's saying it. But anyway, leg'slay
audit finds Governor Cox likely fell short of the twenty
eight thousand signature threshold for primary qualification due to incorrectly
validated signatures. This won't impact the November ballot. Cox submitted

(01:24:37):
twenty eight days early and could have gathered more signatures
if invalid ones had not been counted.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
So I'm trying to figure out what that all means.
So what it doesn't affect him on the on the
ballot in November? Does it? Is that it right there?

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
They're saying it doesn't because he would have had time
to had they only known that the ah the ballots
that were certified are invalid. So when he said you're
good to go, they had twenty eight days to find
to get more signatures if they found out that they
were short. But whoever validated these did so incorrectly, so
he was not He had the time to do it,

(01:25:13):
and but was not notified that he had he was short,
so he didn't do it. So they're saying that he
should stay on the ballot even if he doesn't have
the qualifying signatures, because he could have made those up
at the end if needed.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
That's why it's like, who didn't tell him he was
in short? He was short the clerk? Wouldn't that be
the elections office, Yes, the elections office, and who's in
charge of the elections off.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
That would be Dedre Henderson lejre Henderson right now. I
think they sent the job over to Davis County to
do it so that they would avoid that process. But
I'm telling you when I read that, folks, I don't
know that any candidate, if they fell short of their
twenty eight thousand votes, upon further scrutiny, whether they had
time to gather more or not, that they would say well,

(01:26:00):
let's just go ahead and leave them on anyway without
the required ballots because they could have got enough signatures.
That's that's a I don't know that that would uniformly
apply to every candidate. I'm a little cynical about that.
That's that is a big surprise. I always assumed the
law did not allow for those signatures to be transparent.

(01:26:22):
It used to be back when I ran in twenty
twenty the signatures that you gathered. I didn't gather signatures,
but those that did you could actually look at who
who signed for them. That helped qualify them. It was
a public record. It's somewhere along the line they made
that not a public record. But I got to tell
you that people were really fighting to get those qualifying signatures.

(01:26:43):
If if someone didn't get the signatures, I don't think
they'd be allowed to be on the ballot. That would
that's kind of that's the law, not kind of that's
the law.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
So here here's a little bit more of the story.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
It's on the Channel five website, Okay, and it says
what we've been talking about, a legislative on it has
found some errors in the number of signatures gathered to
qualify three statewide Republican candidates for the ballot, Governor Spencer Cox,
Attorney General Derek Brown, and Senate candidate John Curtis. So
there are three candidates involved in this. However, the report

(01:27:16):
is clear that each candidate meant the requirements to qualify
for the ballot. Based on the Davis County Clerk's office
verification of those signatures.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
That means that they incorrectly verified signatures that wouldn't have qualified.
Now here's where the public's going to lose their minds.
If they ever signed up for the flag petition or
something to qualify for the ballot and they saw signatures disqualified,
there's going to be an argument made that there was
a higher level of scrutiny paid to throw signatures off
the ballot to ensure that something does not qualify to

(01:27:48):
be on the ballot, like it like an initiative for
the flag versus these candidates who sought to get on
the ballot at least appear years and sometimes you know,
perception is reality in politics, that there's two different standards
being applied in terms of the signatures. All I know

(01:28:09):
is this, it's twenty eight thousand verified signatures. If you
don't have twenty eight thousand VERI verified signatures and you
verified them incorrectly, they failed to qualify.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Yeah, yeah, that'll be interesting. You'll be following it. I mean,
this story is just apparently this information was presented to
a legislative committee today, So there'll be more on this
as they're reporting this. But I know you'll be following
up on this. I won't be here to morve, but
ibsolutely Yeah, interesting story development. All right, that does it
for us tonight, As we say each and every night,

(01:28:40):
head up, shoulders back, May God bless you and your
family and then's great country of ours, have a good evening.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Kay, We'll see them up

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