The Rod and Greg Show: America's Murder Rate at All Time Low; Trump Approves Northern Corridor Highway

The Rod and Greg Show Rundown – Thursday, January 22, 2026

4:20 pm: Justin Keener, President of Americans for Public Safety, joins the show to discuss a new Council on Criminal Justice report showing homicide rates in America have fallen to the lowest in recorded history and the possible reasons for the decline.

4:38 pm: Washington County Commissioner Adam Snow joins Rod and Greg to discuss the Trump administration’s decision to move forward with the Northern Corridor Highway project, a four-lane highway that will run through the Red Cliffs National Conservation Area.

5:05 pm: Economist Steve Moore, co-founder of Unleash Prosperity, joins the show for his weekly visit about politics and the nation’s economy, and today they’ll discuss President Trump’s pitch to European leaders about America’s economy during the World Economic Forum in Davos.

6:05 pm: Mary Taylor, President of Pro-Life Utah, joins Rod and Greg to discuss abortion-related proposals in front of the Utah Legislature, and to preview this weekend’s March for Life.6:30 pm: KNRS will present coverage of Utah Governor Spencer Cox’s 2026 State of the State Address live from the Utah State Capitol.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Or not, Dennis, we got to be here Monday through Friday.
We got to we had a holiday Monday, we got
we got.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Work to do.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
Oh, by the way, tomorrow will be out at the
travel expot put on by Columbus Morris Travel.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh, that'll be fun.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Talking about travel. We'll do that. And then Saturday, you
and I are m seeing an event. We sure they
asked us to something.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Well not only ladies and gentlemen are. We am seeing it.
But it is a.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Return return engagement.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
We did we did so well last year, he said.
This is a school choice annual event. Uh, for those
that are the take advantage of school choice, whether be
backpack funding through a private schools or through homeschooling. And uh,
they kind of have like a year in review where
the good stories from parents and kids that have seen

(00:47):
good things happen. And uh, anyway, well, I'm excited and
I always like m seeing with you. I think it's
it's always fun.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
It's fun. It's fun, and we'll be doing that tomorrow.
All right, did you feel the earthquake today?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
So did you?

Speaker 1 (00:59):
I did not, but Queen b did And she was
sitting right next to me, like we were talking and
she said, was there an earthquake? And I'm like, I'm
a Neanderthal and it's in the morning. I'm like, no,
I'm still standing. Nothing has moved. I haven't seen anything break. No,
but there was, because she said, I think I felt something.
And then over the over the X or something it

(01:21):
said that there had been a seismic activity.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
There was earthquake up near Evanston, the Utah Wyoming border apparently,
And I'm closer than you are. I didn't feel a thing.
But all the guys I ran into today playing pickleball,
going do you feel that earthquake? Do you feel that it?
And I didn't feel a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Me and the knuckles I drag felt nothing. We were fine.
But here's my question. Does anything ever shake and then
never shake again? Or is this is this a tell?

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Well, I'm thinking of the one out in magnet a
couple of years ago, which I did twenty twenty. I
felt that that was a strong one. I am filed
anything from that.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Guess what.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Guess what the life hack I learned from that earthquake
was it don't put it an iron or steel wall
ornament above your the bed, above your bed. You fall
on your head Now I didn't fall in my head,
but I could have an entire that thing we had,
like that thing could have really impaled or hurt the
part move don't put don't put things that for reasons
that would be unexplainable, or on earthquake, you would want

(02:16):
to fall on you.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, while you're slumbering, slumbering.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, amen to that. Well, we've got a jam packed
show today. A reminder the Governor State of the State
address to a joint session of the Utah Legislature coming
up tonight at six thirty. You'll hear that live right
here during the Rod and Greg Show. Also coming up,
America's homicide rate has dropped to We haven't had numbers
like this for a long long time. We'll talk about

(02:40):
that big win for Washington County yesterday.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
Yeesh.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Trump administration moving forward on a critical highway down there.
Steve Moore is going to join us his thoughts on
what happened in Davos with the President yesterday, and a
whole lot more. So we've got a lot to get
to today. I want to start off the show though, today,
Greg with this story because there are so many narratives
out there, Greg and you I have tried to get
to the bottom of them about what ICE is doing

(03:03):
in Minneapolis, tearing families apart, going into schools, going into businesses,
ripping people away from their normal lives and arresting them
and detaining them. Right. Well, the latest, and this is
all over social media today, is that ICE detained a
five year old boy from a local elementary school there
in Minneapolis. In Minneapolis, matter of fact, I think it

(03:26):
was called the Columbia Heights School District and basically the
district said they detained a five year old yeah in
our school. Not true.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Not true. In the slightest I saw the truth reported.
As you know, ICE again has an X page. They
try to clear up media lies and they're not misrepresentations
or lies as quickly as possible. But I'm glad to
hear that the Vice president came out with the statement, Yeah,
he was.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Up in Minneapolis today because you know, the White House
is hearing all these attacks on ICE. So JD. Vance
decided to go to Minnesota, sit down with ICE, with police,
with some residents to find out the real story and
what's going on. Well, this story about the five year
old came up during a news conference and here's his
explanation as to what happened. Listen carefully if.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
You asked a question about this five year old kid.
I actually saw this terrible story while I was coming
to Minneapolis. We just left Toledo, Ohio this morning for
an economic messange event, and I see the story, and
I'm a father of a five year old, actually a
five year old little boy, and I think to myself,
oh my god, this is terrible. How did we arrest
a five year old? Well, I do a little bit
more follow up research, and what I find is that

(04:31):
the five year old was not arrested, that his dad
was an illegal alien, and then when they went to
arrest his illegal alien father, the father ran. So the
story is that ICE detained a five year old.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Well, what are they supposed to do.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
Are they supposed to let a five year old child
freeze to death? Are they not supposed to arrest an
illegal alien? In the United States of America. If the
argument is that you can't arrest people who have violated
our laws because they have children, then every single parent
is going to be completely given immunity from ever being
the subject of law enforcement. That doesn't make any sense.

(05:08):
No one thinks that makes any sense.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
No, it doesn't make any sense. So Greg I decided
to check a couple of news sources up there in Minneapolis,
the main newspaper there and one of the main television
stations in Minneapolis, to see how they're treating this story.
Neither one of them mentioned that the boy's father took
off because he knew he was here illegally, he had
committed a crime, and he left his son out in

(05:30):
the cold, and he started running away from police officers.
That's the real story. That's why the child was out
in the cold. That's why I detained the child to
take care of him. I mean, it's cold up in
Minneapolis right now. But the news sources aren't telling that
side of the story. Surprise, surprise.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
I just looked this up because I remember this story
breaking back, and I want to say it was in
the summer of twenty four before you know there the
election year. Yeah, okay, but Biden's in charge. You had
a member of the Border Patrol who was a whistleblower
who came before Congress and said, I have tried to
through proper channels, alert my supervisors that we have unaccompanied minors,

(06:09):
that that people come to pick up who are not
related to them, who are not their family member, and
their strangers, and we're letting this is being allowed to happen.
And then we have ones that disappear where we have
some number to call that we're not even trying to find,
and we're talking in like eighty thousand, one hundred thousand kids.
So you see the regime media talk lie about the

(06:31):
border patrol detaining a five year old, but there was
no I mean I when I googled this to try
and find the story, you don't find it on NBC.
You don't find the story about the whistleblower alerting Congress
that between eighty thousand or over one hundred thousand children
that are being picked up by people that aren't related
to them or disappearing.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Nothing.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
You cannot find it in the media. So again it's
just there. They're they're they're trying to pull on people's
heartstrings when it suits them, when it furthers their agenda.
It says nothing to do about these kids at all.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Well happen. How about the stories coming out of Minneapolis
Creek where you have stores that won't even service the
ice agents. I mean, there was one where the guys
just kicking him out. They won't let them use the restroom,
they won't let them get a cup of coffee, and
it's cold up there right now. They won't service them
and they're kicking them out. Those stories are not being told.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
No, it'd be like there's a fire and we're mad
at the firefighters for putting out the fire.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
How dare you do anything like that?

Speaker 3 (07:27):
That's crazy? All right? When we come back on the
Rod and Greg Show, we'll talk about the homicide rate
here in the US. It has fallen sharply, and we'll
get into that a little bit later on. We'll talk
about the big win for Washington County yesterday, and we'll
get all into that, or all get into that with
you as you work your way home on this Thursday
on the Rod and Gregg Show in Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine kN arrest. Pretty dramatic story coming

(07:49):
out today. US homicides have dropped to their lowest in
recorded history. The lower I mean it has been this
low since nineteen hundred.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
You know, Wow, in Chicago's still around. So I don't
understand how that works, because Chicago's the one has been
ruining at all anyway, because it's like a war zone
at rotten City.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Well, what would it be like if we didn't have Chicago?

Speaker 2 (08:15):
It'd be so peaceful?

Speaker 3 (08:17):
You know, I don't what to do with ourselves.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
The Calr Composion, our resident gun expert, has a show
here on cameras. He points out the number of zip
codes where all the homicides happened from. They're all the
They're all the blue city, big metropolitan city. You take
those out, and we didn't have a big homicide rate
Nashally anyway. But that goes to show that I think
the DC efforts from President Trump. I think his commitment

(08:41):
to public safety I think is having an effect because
those those blue cities and blue states, they're the where
a lot of these statistics were coming from.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Well, one of the campaign plunges he made was to
make our streets safer, and it looks like it may
be working. Joining us on our newsmaker line to break
down some of these numbers is Justin Keener. He is
of Americans for Public Safety. Justin, how are you, and
welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (09:04):
Thanks for joining us, doing great, Glad to be back here, guys.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Justin though are those are some amazing numbers. What on
earth happened? I mean, it's good news, but what happened justin?

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (09:14):
I think they forgot Chicago justin when they did these numbers.

Speaker 7 (09:19):
Yeah, you know, it really is a time to celebrate.
This is a time to recognize law enforcement who put
their lives on the line every day and just fight
to keep us safe. It's also you know, a lot
of gratitude to our political leadership who supports law enforcement.
You know, not only does this appear to be the
lowest murder rate in recorded history, and we say that

(09:40):
because we only really have data that goes back to
nineteen hundred, but it also looks like it is the
largest single year to year drop that we've ever seen
as well. And we all know it's pretty obvious. I mean,
what could possibly cause such a dramatic change, you know. Well,
one is we have leadership that is now supporting the police.

(10:00):
We have operations that are getting criminals off the street,
especially violent criminals, whether they're illegal immigrants with long histories
and rap sheets of violent offenses. We've actually have in
many cases, we have jurisdictions that have kicked out their
soros das and replaced them with someone who's taking crime seriously.

(10:20):
Even in places like San Francisco, they kicked out their
Soros DA And I think this is a result. We're
starting to see it that America is being thankful for
law enforcement. We're seeing a result in it, and people
are being held accountable, they're being arrested, they're being kept
in jail, they're being tried convicted, and now they're in
prison and unable to harm us again.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
How much do you think the crackdown on illegal immigration
via the ending the illegal entry at the border, which
has been secured not entirely, but like we've never seen before,
but then also two million self deportations, and then you're
seeing the list that I puts out every day of
the violent criminals that they're apprehending and moving and deporting.

(11:01):
How much of that is playing into the national data
on homicides.

Speaker 7 (11:05):
You know, we don't really know, is the very fair
and honest answer. But anecdotally, it's pretty obvious that it's
going to have some effect. You when you are arounding
up people who have who are either accused of or
convicted of incredibly violent crimes and they're no longer on
the streets. You know, we already know that, generally speaking,

(11:26):
most of violent crime is committed by a very small
number of individuals, and when you when you focus police
resources on that small number, you're likely to see a
decrease in the crime as a result.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
You know.

Speaker 7 (11:37):
And while this data is still preliminary, because this is
preliminary data that's been released and it's going to be
validated over the next few months as more and more
states report, I think that's a great question. We want
to see how many individuals were arrested by the FBI
who were wanted for murder and other types of violent crime,
and we'll find out. I have a feel we already

(11:57):
know generally that there's a strong correlation.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
We're talking with Justin Keener, he's president of Americans for
Public Safety, about the homicide rates here in the US. Justin,
we've heard for quite some time about a man power shortage,
shortage when it comes to law enforcement agencies. If that
is still an issue out there, are police doing something
different to cut down on these homicides? What do you
think maybe taking place?

Speaker 7 (12:20):
Well, in some jurisdictions, they certainly are. Let's take Let's
let's take Dallas, let's look at Baltimore, you know, to blue,
you know, especially Baltimore that's that's a blue area, of
course progressive, but both of them decided to reject the
defund the police efforts. Both of them decided to focus resources,

(12:40):
whether you call it hotspot policing or really focus on
violent crime opportunities and interdict them before they can turn
into something even worse. And in those areas we've seen
a greater dropping crime. And so you know, you do
see some areas that are focusing on supporting their police.
Now you have other areas that don't, and they have
high vacancy rates they're having to You look at places

(13:04):
like Portland and Chicago, which are having to offer extravagant
starting salaries just to attract people. But even that's not
enough because nobody it's hard to find anyone who's willing
to work there because they're not going to be appreciated.
They might get prosecuted just for doing their job, and
they're going to be under attacked by activists who are
just just trying to make sure no one gets arrested.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Well, that is amazing news. Justin thanks for a few
minutes of your time today. Good report. We appreciate it.
I hope to have you back out again.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
All great, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
All right. That's Justin Keener, President of the Americans for
Public Safety. Here are some numbers, great just to share
with you on this. Homicides are down twenty one percent
from twenty twenty four. That's the largest single year drop
on record. When the FBI reports full data later this year,
the twenty twenty five national homicide rate likely will be

(13:52):
the lowest ever recorded in law enforcement or public health
data going back to nineteen hundred.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
I'm Donald Trump says I'm going to give you safe streets,
and he.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Has and it is.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
There is a corollary with the immigration trying to enforce
the law and immigration laws.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
There has to be.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
I'm curious though, that we had this wave of catch
and release where they got rid of bail schedules and
everything else. And it's taking states, including Utah, which sadly
did get rid of its bail schedule. And they've they've tried,
I know law enforcement, I work with sheriffs and honored
to do it. They've tried to get some of this
back so that we're not seeing the catching release, but
we're still suffering from it here, and I'm sure there's
other states that still are letting dangerous people out after

(14:32):
booking them. That's still going on. So I'm glad to
see these homicide rates go down, but I think there's
still a lot of room for improvement.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, all right, mare Coming up on the Rod on
Greg Show, we'll talk about an important decision for Washington County.
Coming up next on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine a NRS. This has been a battle, Greg, you
know more about this than I do. A battle that's
been going on in Washington County for a long long time.
The area is growing, they need better transportation venues and

(15:00):
they may finally be getting the one they've been working for.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
This is a problem nationally in terms of these environmentalists
and shutting down all progress, all infrastructure. They've made a
cottage industry out of it. It's not much of a cottage.
It's an absolute industrial complex and they profit off of it.
And so they've been doing this to poor Washington County
as it's been growing for a long time. But there's
been a big victory announced yesterday, and to talk about it,
we're having a County Commissioner out of Snow on the

(15:24):
program to give us the deeds.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, he's joining us on any Howard Newsmaker line right now.
Commissioner Snow, thanks for joining us. A big win for
Washington County. But my question I want to start off,
after all these years, is this really going to happen?

Speaker 4 (15:39):
It will, and I'm confident in that. And it's not
just me. Many people who are very familiar with the
federal process, you know, from Congressmen to senators, you know,
many people of the state. We're all confident it's going
to happen. Now the question is just how many millions
of textir dollars are going to be wasted trying to
fight frivolous lawsuit and how many years are we going

(16:01):
to wait to.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Get it done.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
That's the only question. I'm confident it will happen. It
just matters when.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
You know, Commissioner, the reason I this this is this
is big news. It's actually been covered, I think, and
I'm glad well up here and along the West Edge front.
You're a Washington County commissioner, but I but I watched nationally,
you know, these these blue states that cry about the
federal agencies or law enforcement there in their states, and
they say, these federal you know, agencies have to get
out of our state. This is our state. This is

(16:30):
what you live with, the oppression of federal federal presence
in Utah. Like very few people probably understand. Could you share.
I hope this isn't talking out of school, but in
working with to get this done. And you've been doing
it for years, and the environmentalists thought they could outlast
year and they're not. There was a land swap through
this process that was supposed to happen. They took the

(16:51):
side of the swamp that gave them more land, and
then they told you, kings X, we're not letting you
build a freeway.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
It is it is. And that was during the Biden administration.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
I think that that you have had to deal with
such bad players in this space. I think it would
be informative for our listeners to hear how draconian this
whole process can be.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
You nailed it, Greg, It's ridiculous. I mean this bill.
I actually just heard from somebody just today, just a
few minutes ago. She texted me. She said, I was
at the first meeting where this was brought up in
nineteen ninety one. I went to the first public meeting
because I lived not far from there. I was interested
in it. It was March of nineteen ninety one. She said,

(17:32):
this is my daughter was born six weeks later. She
turns thirty five this year. Oh jeez, wow, that's how
long this road has been in profits. It's been officially
on the plans I think now for twenty eight years.
But for a county that is two thirds zoned by
the federal government, we just can't which mirrors the state
of Utah very very closely, we just can't do anything

(17:55):
without holding our hands out and saying, mother, may I
to the federal government. Now, I will say that the
Feds on this one were great partners, the BLM, the
Fish and Wildlife Service. They get it. One hundred and
fifty three acres is all of a disturbance that that's
the actual asphalt for the road. One hundred and fifty
three acres to trade for that, because we understand that, hey,
where you used to have grass or rocks or habitat

(18:18):
will now be asphalt. Tortoises don't eat asphalt, so we
have to trade something to offset the one hundred and fifty
three acres. That trade was almost seven thousand acres. I
have a nine year old daughter, she can do that
math really easily. So it was not the federal government
on this one. It was the weaponization of federal law

(18:40):
that were well intentioned originally that now have been weaponized
by fringe environmental groups. You know it Conserves, Southwest Utah,
Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance and others. And then they enlisted
their bigger friends, Center for Biological Diversity and others that
really have the armies of attorneys. And this is a
money racket they raised, they're raising enormous amount of money.

(19:01):
The Biden administration in the settlement that revokes the right
of way that we got back yesterday, paid them almost
a half a million dollars in taxpayer cash. It's a
racket to pay attorneys to just sue and sue and sue.
And the people that lose are the US citizens who
pay out of their tax dollars. And they're the ones
that have to sit in traffic and have worse air

(19:24):
from idling cars from traffic failure for something that Obama
signed into law in two thousand and nine. Wow, that's
how long we're still dealing with this.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Well, Commissioner. I drive through every time I drive through
southern Utah Washington County, they're just there's building, new buildings
popping up, new businesses opening up. I mean, how important?
Why is this highway so important to the continued growth
of Washington County?

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Great question. It's important, Rod, because we have to deal
with what Mother Nature gave us. Right just like you
guys have the inversion up here, and you got to
deal with those mountains and the canyons to get somewhere.
You can't just go through them, you can't remove them. Right. Well,
we've got a big hill kind of right through the
middle of town, and I've got to move two hundred
and ten thousand residents and ten million visitors a year

(20:10):
plus all the people that they come through on I
fifteen from one side of the county to the other.
And there's a pinch point right in the middle. So
whenever you've driven down there, that cut in the hill
that I fifteen goes through is already wall to wall asphalt.
I can't put another inch of lane in there if
I wanted to. And people just don't go around eight
miles out of their way to go around the southern

(20:32):
end of that hill, and so we can't we can't
readirect traffic that way, but we can't get them around
to the northern side of that hill. Hence a northern corridor.
It just it just bypasses that bottleneck by going to
the north of it and allowing people to just drive smoother,
get get off the roads, get home, and get on
with your lives, and don't sit in idling cars which

(20:54):
pollutes our air. That is why SURE is so important.
We've just grown commisure.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Third world countries and continents like Africa can build infrastructure
faster than from nineteen ninety one to twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
What we're dealing with here in the state of Utah.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
You mentioned at the beginning of this discussion that you
expect to see frivolous lawsuits from the environmental environmentalists, the
extremists that are going to come. Is that another third
is that are we gonna have to wait again another
thirty five.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Years or longer? What is the timeframe?

Speaker 1 (21:26):
When when does the nonsense end and you can actually
start to be productive and get some critical infrastructure into
your county.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
I'm hoping by the end of this Trump administration we
will we can get through the doj will actually fight it,
Unlike the Biden administration didn't fight it right, they settled
with their own friends, and that's why they sued. Now
they're going to sue. They're going to probably find a
friendly judge that will give us an injunction. We won't
be able to develop it, and then we will fight this,
but with a friendly administration to us who will actually

(21:56):
see that seven thousand is better than one hundred and
fifty three, and the seven thousand are not bad acres.
They're actually denser tortoise population, better habitat at a ten
to one ratio over what we're disturbing. If you care
about the tortoise habitat, you are for what happened yesterday.
If you care about open space and Mose Valley and recreation,

(22:18):
then you're for what happened yesterday. If you're for clean
air and faster transportation to get home and get on
with your life, you're for what happened yesterday. If you're
for raising money for your private, selfish in interest group,
you don't like what happened yesterday. That is the honest truth.
And I hope that all of your listeners who anybody
might be tempted to donate to some of these groups,

(22:38):
realize they do not have the best interest. The name
is an ironic name of conserved Southwest Utah. They'd rather
have one hundred and fifty three acres than seven thousand.
Tell me how that's conservation.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Adam Snow he's the Washington County Commissioner, joining us on
our news miker line or any our news miker line
right now talking about that big highway project in Washington County.
Looks like his got to go. We'll keep our eye
on it for you. A sad note today, and I'm
not sure where this is going, but former Fox News
host Bill O'Reilly announced he's dealing with an unspecified illness.
According to an updated post on his website, he's going

(23:12):
to be off the air for a little while, huh,
dealing with this illness.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
You know, he is a regular guest on Sean Hannity's show,
which is heard on Canter S and so yet, and
he he had that weekly segment that he would do
and I think he went to China, not recently, not
long ago to trying to tell him pay alone, can
you explain Trump to us?

Speaker 3 (23:32):
And so anyway, I've read I've read some of his
books as Killing series books, which I find pretty interested.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, they're very interesting.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Now he's you know, he's I know he teamed up
with those to author those books. But I've heard all that.
I've not read them myself, but I've heard good.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
They're interesting books.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
We wish him well. All right, when we come back,
Steve Moore, Economist Extraordinary, will join us give us an
update on where the economy is going. That's coming up
next our number two of the Rodding Gregg Show. To
stay with us.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
If we are able to reach our friend Stephen Moore.
He's a he's an economist. He's a big deal. You
see him on on all the you know, talking head shows.
You see him on CNBC, you see him on Fox Business.
You'll see him on Fox News. You'll see him at
the White House showing charts to the President at the
White House at a press conference. He's a he's a
bean counter. He's an economist. And uh, I think we,

(24:25):
you know, we help make him who he is. To
think I think.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Thinks he's been appearing on the show for years now.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well, I think that was the springboard.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Maybe maybe the President, who we know listens to the
show all the time. Yes, a big may have heard
Stephen said, you know, he may make a pretty good
economic advisor.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
He has a he has a daily newsletter called Unleashed Prosperity,
which is really you should get I read it every day.
And uh, he's good, big brain Steve, and sometimes he's
hard to reach, but we got got him.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, we got him. Steve's on the line right now, Steve.
Great to have you on the line. All right, Steve.
A lot going on this week. President went to Europe
and Dabbos yesterday and basically read the Europeans the Riot Act.
What do you take what do you take away from
what the President did yesterday?

Speaker 5 (25:05):
Well, first of all, I mean Trump really went to
Ta Davos in Switzerland and in front of the whole
world basically said US economy is booming, which it is.

Speaker 7 (25:17):
You know.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
We the latest number just came out two days ago
that our economy grew at five and a half percent
in the fourth quarter of last year.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
And by the way, we.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
Would have been over six percent if it hadn't been
for this crazy uh you know, government shutdowns. So these
are outstanding numbers. We haven't seen this kind of growth
in the economy in recent times, and so incomes are
up faster than inflation. Now we're seeing I don't know
what you're paying for gas there in Utah, but where

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I live, we're paying two seventy two a gallon, down
a dollar from the gallon from the years that Biden
was president. So it's a good it's a good story.
And what Trump said to the European and Asians say, hey,
you want to have economic growth, you want to lift
people out of poverty, you want rising incomes.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
Do what we're doing.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
Do you regulate your economy, reduce your taxes, do what
Utah does, Do what the America what they've done in
Washington under Trump. And it was a very strong message.
And let's hope other countries follow Trump's example.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
So I think there was a leadership moment.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
There a lot of negotiations going on about Greenland, and
I think Trump and as he as I think is characteristic.
He says, I want the whole of Greenland. I want
that whole giant island. And then they said, well, what
if we give you just a big part for bases
or multiple bases, and said okay. In that negotiation or
whatever that conversation was. Trump has recently announced that the

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tariffs that he had planned a place on the European
nations that were trying to create a penalty for even
talking about Greenland, he was going to lift those because
he felt progress.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Was being made.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
How do you feel about does that hurt the economy
when those negotiations happen. It seems like the outcome is
what we would want to see the present, being successful
in a strategic national defense area of the world. But
what does it mean when you talk about I'm going
to raise tariffs, and then when you're successful on your
negotiations on a specific item, you say, Okay, we're not
going to raise the tariffs. Now does that hit us

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on main Street at all?

Speaker 5 (27:26):
Well, listen, first of all, when it comes to Greenland,
Trump feels obviously very strongly that this is incredibly important
for our geopolitical situation and for our national security. Also,
by the way, Greenland has we don't know how many resources,
but it could be in the hundreds of billions, maybe
trillions of dollars of energy resources, oil resources, mineral resources,

(27:52):
and whatnot. So it's an incredibly important area of the world.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
The Arctic region.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
By the way, if you United States took over acquired,
and I think that's the right word to acquire Greenland
from Denmark, just as we acquired Alaska back and what
was it the eighteen sixties, Uh, you know we by
the way, do you know how much we paid for Alaska?

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Wasn't it a buck or something?

Speaker 5 (28:17):
Was it million? Seven million dollars investment? Exactly?

Speaker 8 (28:26):
You know.

Speaker 5 (28:27):
And by the way, it's a it's a great you know,
historical story. You both heard of Seward's folly. Remember that
from your history book. You know, everybody laughed at sect Thursdays.
Who would pay seven million dollars for Alaska? It turned
out to be a pretty good a pretty good investment.
And so uh, you know, we we look, we're not
going to take We're not going to take Greenland by
force or by military action. But what I would say

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is that, look, let's let's have a referendum in Greenland.
Let's let the people decide. You know, I believe in
self determination, and let's offer every single green Land resident,
because they're only fifty five thousand, one hundred thousand dollars,
check if they will come under the American flag and
everybody comes out of winner.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, they do, Steve, I want to go back to Europe.
They may be getting the message, Steve. I think I
heard the German chancellors say today that you know, Europe
is killing itself with overregulation and all these rules, and
he's saying it's time we back off. Let's open this
thing up and get it going.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
Germany is the classic case of a country that bought
in to the climate change hysteria. They stopped using nuclear power,
they stopped using oil gas, natural gas, coal, and they
basically de industrialize that country. And look we all talk
about you know, German engineering and German manufacturing and they

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make great powers. Well guess what their energy costs stored,
they basically couldn't be competitive any longer. And today it's
an amazing story. You know, one of our poorest states
is Arkansas, and today the average income of a person
in Arkansas is higher than the average income of a
person in Germany.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
That's how much.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
That's how much Germany has fallen. So they've been in
a twenty year rut. And hopefully they will start to
use all the energy that they can and become another
industrial power because they've fallen considerably. But all of Europe
has been in a rut, you know, they've been flatlined.
The only country that's really growing right now considerably is
the US of A.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, Steve, he said this in Davos, but it was
really he was talking. He just opened up the mics
and let the and asked any question the media is
asking for over two hours. But somehow, wherever, however, it happened.
The conversation went to the fraud that's happening in the
United States and his federal programs, and he said something
that I found interesting. He said fifty percent. And you're
the being counter so you'll know this if it's true

(30:49):
or not. If we could identify and prevent fifty percent
of the fraud in federal programs, we could balance the budget.
That's a powerful statement if that is true. But you
also said in your news letter this morning, hey, Republicans
stopped funding the left. You point out accurately that we've
got these Republican bills with Democrat earmarks, and even where
eighty four Republicans joined all the Democrats for some of

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these overseas NGO three D and fifteen million and one
appropriation alone, is it possible to find the fraud, cut it,
and get Republicans to stop funding the radical left is
this what why are we doing at A and B?

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Can we stop it?

Speaker 8 (31:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (31:30):
I mean all sorts of weird sex change operation facilities
and so on we're funding with earmarks under this under
this bill, So we've got we've got to add deer
marx as my friend Tom Kolbert, who was the US Senator.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
From Oklahoma, the late Tom Goover, used.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
To say, the dear marks are the gateway drug t
big billion dollars spending bills, and he was exactly right.
So I'd like to see them eliminate the the what
I call the port payroll projects in the budget. You know,
you you asked about how much we could save from
getting rid of the fraud. Now you know Donald Trump
is never prone to exaggeration, He never checking, but we could.

(32:13):
I don't think we can cut the budget deficit in half,
but we could save hundreds of billions of dollars, and
only in Washington. It's hundreds of billions of dollars, not
a lot of money, but that the savings would be enormous.
And by the way, the Blue states are basically they've
turned a blind eye to be fraud because they view
this as a fiscal stimulus to their states.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
And it is Steve Moore joining us on our Newspacker line.
You know, I never knew this great. I didn't realize
that Donald Trump exaggerates.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Well, he doesn't he what he's an optimist optimist exaggerator.
I don't know, but but I just think he sees
He just thinks that he's very optimistic that this could happen,
and he probably just he airs on the side of
the good news.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
That's all.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
What's so freaky? What he got what he wanted from Greenland.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, that does not surprise me.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
He's going to vomit it. We don't need that island.
He didn't want the island. He just wants some parcels
of land that we have sovereignty over that we can
put our military bases on. What do you want?

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Is anyone recognizing a pattern here because I have. I've
recognized the pattern for quite some time. No, he he
does things no one thinks he can do. And the
way he goes about it, he comes in comes in hot,
you know, and then people are they don't know he
might do it. So I don't know and they want
to get reasonable, and he's reasonable. He can get there,
but he's gonna if you don't want to work with him,

(33:36):
He's got his path. And then if people do the
calculus and go I think I want to work with him.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yeah, And then there is a few bombs and then
we begin from there.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
But it's progress and a town like that, there's none.
By the way, folks, if you want to if you
want to learn more or see more of what Stephen
Moore works on, He's got this great newsletter. I just
want to just mention it to you. Committee to Unleash
Prosperity dot Com. Committee to Unleashed Prosperity dot Com is
Stephen Moore's daily newsletter and it's always got really good
information every day.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Check it out, all right, more coming up on the
road and Greg Joe, by the way, just a reminder
the governor State of the State address coming your way
and a little bit more than an hour from now
at six thirty our time, and you'll hear it live
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five. NYE
can Arrest that's coming up tonight at six thirty. Three
people were arrested today, including the Nut job. That guy

(34:26):
William whatever his name is, longbeard guy. Uh for you know,
going after that church. The one who is not was
Don Lemon. Now apparently Pam BONDI wanted to arrest him today.
But what happened the judge would not sign was it
the complaint? The complaint wouldn't sign it? Well, you know
what aut you know, you find out, you know, because
we have the Oh there's old wide web. There's more

(34:48):
to the story.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yes, this judge, you know, lady, you know justice is
supposed to be blindfolded with scales in her hands. Not
if you're this judge. Because your wife happens to work
for the Attorney General of Minnesota, Allison, and your wife
is posted did anti ice statements on social media over
and over and over again. So somehow the Face Act,
which says you cannot disrupt places of worship or places

(35:11):
of reproductive health, doesn't apply to dun Lemon.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Just doesn't.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
I mean, if if there's not an open and shutcase
that that federal law was violated, I don't know what
law we're talking about, but as long as it's Ice,
and as long as it's this judge and his wife
is where she's at politically. No, he's not going to
do it. That works really well. I think that's a
great plan.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Well, let's turn to Florida Sheriff Grady Judd, and we've
had the sheriff on before. Some of these comments are great. Well,
he issued a statement about what he would have done
in his county if Don Lemon and his cronies would
have tried pull off something like that in Florida.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Hello everyone, Cheff Grady Judd.

Speaker 9 (35:50):
Here, I'm standing in a house of worship, and I
think about last weekend in Saint Paul, Minnesot, Voda, where
people who came to worship were attacked. They were attacked
by rioters. The service was disrupted. They cut it the

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very fabric of this great United States of America. We
settled this country so many years ago so we could
worship free the way we wanted to in whatever house
of worship we chose. That attack is unacceptable. I can
assure you that had that attack been in this community,

(36:35):
every one of those rioters would be in jail today.
That's where the federal government could have found them on
state charges, locked up. And I pray it's that same
way all across the United States of America.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Enough is enough.

Speaker 9 (36:53):
Let's join together for the good of the United States
of America. Let's worship the way we want to, and
lets everyone renounce the horribleness of last Sunday in Saint Paul, Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
That's Sheriff Grady Judge in Florida. And you know what
I find amazing, Greg, are are people on the left, Democrats,
let's say moderate Democrats, who haven't come out and spoken
out against this and have since. Are they so afraid
of these people now that they're afraid to stop them?
Because they aren't going.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
To stop No, they're not now.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
And the guy, that guy that they arrested, he's not
from Minnesota. He has a rap sheet all over he's
he's he's causing chaos and fomenting fear all over this country.
That's the kind of guy that they arrested who led
this charge into this as this church. And and this
goes to the the a the lies They said that
this that ice had detained a five year old, which

(37:53):
was a complete, absolute lie, that that father abandoned that
child as he was escaping. That child was abandoned.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
It is not true, but it's all over cable news tonight.
It's all over.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
All the performative politics of the Minnesota state legislators that
are just showing this picture of this child and trying
and trying to create this false narrative. But then you
come to a place of worship and there is no emotion,
no sympathy, no outrage about people trying to worship that
are having it interrupted. And and so it's this callousness

(38:25):
on one side, the lying about and trying to pull
on heartstrings and people's emotions on the other. And I
just at some point it has to become such a
circus that they lose all credibility. There can't be something
that you say that is so verifiably false over here,
something that happens that is so unbelievably wrong, I mean

(38:45):
wrong on every front, including federal law. And you say,
and you don't have anything to say, how long do
we live in an atmosphere like that, where that where
up is down and down is up? I think normal people,
I don't care Republicans are disappointing me. But I got
to tell you, it is frustrating to UH to deal
with to watch this happen. And I don't know that

(39:07):
the republic the Democrats they I can't imagine they'll do
well in the midterms.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Well, when we come back, we've got There was a
hearing up on Utah's Capitol Hill today on this bill
that Nate Blewing am I pronouncing this name right.

Speaker 10 (39:20):
Blowing Blowing, Blowing, Bluing Blwing, who, by the way, is
the state center but also now running on a very
radical agenda in whatever new district we have in this state.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Uh, there was a vote on his bill today that
would keep ice out of what schools and churches I
think basically, And uh, we'll give you an update as
to what happened to that in that committee meeting. Coming up.
Kind of interesting. That's coming up on the Rod and
Greg Show and talk radio one oh five nine o
k n RS tomorrow. They're gonna let us out of
the building. We're going to be on the road. You know,
they cage us in in here. I mean, we don't

(39:53):
even have window window and.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
You get sick, and you ever saw this whole room,
It's just it's a hazard.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Sorry, they look door. They won't let us in and
out of this and it's hot near. But we'll be
on the road tomorrow at the Travel show. So we
invite people to come on. By matter of fact, we
may have some Rod and Greg hats to give away.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
And if we do, you're gonna want him because these
hats are the cats me out.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yeah they are. They're good looking hats.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Oh they are. They are good looking.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Let's go to the hill for a few minutes, shall we?

Speaker 10 (40:21):
Now?

Speaker 3 (40:22):
State Center? Nate Blewin? Is he from Murray?

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I don't know all these guys. This is okay, this
is a good moment. I know the relevant members of
the legislation. Oh okay, say if.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
You're part of those bomb throwers.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
That has never passed a bill in his life, nor
he really has a desire to it, just doesn't really.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
The biography doesn't stick.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Well, he's one of I think. I'm trying to keep up,
but I think there are fifteen thousand Democrats who have
now registered run for the new district here in that
state of Utah. But he's filed to run for that
congressional district depending on what happens. But he's very liberal,
very very far out there.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yes he is.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
He proposes a bill that would ban ice from going
into schools and churches and block them from wearing masks,
and there was a hearing on it today.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, and here's I think that.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
I think what I think what they're trying to do
is they're trying to the masks whether where they're trying
to prohibit them from going. It's it's far reaching, and
it's it's something that in Utah we actually appreciate people
that enforce the law, federal law.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
States respect him.

Speaker 7 (41:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
We we think that the public safety is one of
those important things we need to have, and so we're
not I don't think Utahns have sent members of the
Senator House that are going to back what Senator Blown
wants to do here, and that's do what the Blue
states are doing, and that is make the criminals, uh,
you know, protect them and go after those that enforce
the law. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Yeah, Well apparently his bill was tabled or they tried
to table it today but the committee, Yeah, he didn't
want a table because he wanted to vote it.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
No.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
So let me just tell you what some so the
word table means different things, and if you go to
a county commission meaning or something, that word means something different.
Sometimes table means we're just going to set it aside.
A table bill is worse than being killed on a vote,
because it takes it basically kills it. And if you
would want to reconsider it, you have you have only
one week and you have to have two thirds of

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the committee to say yes they would like to kill,
not a majority, but at two thirds to do it.
If you just simply buy majority, kill the bill, a
bill can always come back, you can always reconsider your actions.
So this puts the you know, the stake into the
heart of this of this this bill, and so table
that actually does have a more severe consequence, and even

(42:38):
killing the bill out right.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Now you want something, they crack you up State Center
loose has commie. Okay, she's a member of this Judiciary committee. Yes,
listen to this comment she made during the hearing today
about the bill and about ice and about churches.

Speaker 11 (42:54):
You know, I recognize that this is this are on
precedent the times and hearing from law enforcement. It's important.
I think that the what we're trying to do here
is bring some level of protection for Communitists to feel
safe on very very sacred places. If anything, churches should
be protected, and if it's not going to be in

(43:15):
this piece of legislation, I encourage all my colleagues to
find a way of protecting churches and religious places for
individuals to be able to worship freely, which is something
we deeply care in the state. I think this bill
can have some changes. I know the sponsor is willing
to work on those changes, but it's important that we

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send the right message to all communities.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Now. Is Center is going to be aware of what
happened in Minneapolis this week?

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Apparently? Not apparently because she hasn't kept up on the news.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, at someone, if there was actually a journalist in
that room, then they would say, given your statements, Senator,
tell us what you think about what happened in Minneapolis
where the anti ice protesters invaded that in to that church,
that place of worship. What would she say, because you
can't say what she just did and at the same
and then excuse what's happened in Minneapolis. And I think

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soone should put her on the record and get her
to state. Maybe she will look I know Lows and
you know, I've seen reasonable moments from her, so maybe
she'll condemn it as well.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
But you don't see her bringing up there.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
And there's an irony to bringing that up there without
because the only thing I'm aware of where churches are
getting stormed, it's from those loans in Minnesota, you know,
that are anti public safety, anti law enforcement, anti ice
and going in there and interrupting those people who don't
even have a dog in the fight they're worshiping. They're
not even the who they're mad at. So Senator Eskimiya,

(44:39):
someone should ask her about So you need to go
a little further than you did in committee and kind
of just go go a little more you know, broad
in terms of your assessment of being safe at church.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Yeah, all right. The Rod and Greg Show rolls along
with you on this Thursday and Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five Dying can Arrest. News update coming your way
at the top of the hour again. State of the
State address coming your way tonight at six thirty. Another
piece of legislation that did clear the first hurdle as
it makes it way its way through the legislature this year.

(45:11):
This is that bill Greg prohibiting bell to bell's cell
phone use in Utah school. So soon as the bell
goes to start the day, but the cell phone away,
do not get it until the bell rangs to send
you home.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah, you know, I got no problem with it that
you know, we used to mistake technology with advancements and modernization,
but I think we've got kids that are losing fundamental
skills of communication, eye contact, just interpersonal skills because of
the pervasiveness of technology. And like you know, I actually

(45:43):
agree with the saying you and I we survived without
it with school. To the other side, we had the
right notes and slip them to people, you know, because
that's how you did it in old school days. But
you know what, I think it's an important quality to
learn how to write a note and fold it up
into a little piece and flip it across the room
your teacher doing it without the teacher knowing it.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
So you think it's a skill, and it's a skilled
they sneaking around people.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yes, it has to be learned.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Banditry in your youth shows resilience and success as an
that's true.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
That's true. So if you're creative way to get a
note to a guy couple of deaths away and you
come up to creative way to do it, it's showing
your innovative skills.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Do you understand when I ran a crowd, that's not
I didn't make that quote up that I might have.
I might have messed the quote up, but basically the
quote was, if you were a rascal when you were young,
you're going to be good when you're older.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
I that that really justified a lot for me. I
love that quote.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Yeah, yeah, I kind of like that. So I got
in trouble in the third grade for doing something.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Else doing well, is it passing notes?

Speaker 3 (46:43):
No?

Speaker 1 (46:46):
And I will never tell you. Yeah, I don't because
you'll you'll let it out because I'll do you do
to me. I'll wait to a commercial break and say
just tell me, and you'll tell me. Then I'll mark folks,
I'll tell you everything.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
He says.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Yeah, you know, yesterday we were talking about Utah's version
of the Save Act requiring proof of citizenship. Yes, so
vote Corey Mulloy working on that legislation to prevent people
from voting in state elections if they can't prove their citizenship.
Well guess what. And the federal bill is being pushed
by Rick Scott of Florida and Mike Lee here in

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the great state of Utah. Well happening yesterday Republican Senators
Katie Britt of Alabama and Dave McCormick of Pennsylvania. Greg
said they are now going to join the Senator and
co sponsored that bill to get it through the Senate.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Now, look, don't get too excited that bill would actually pass,
because they need sixty votes.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
I'll never get it.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
But what I think is important is to show the
Democrats on the record saying we do not want proof
of citizenship to vote in this country. We don't, which
is already the law, but the federal law is so
weak it just says you have to say it and
you're good. This would actually make sure that that that
law was honored and let the Democrats be the ones
to keep it from sixty votes and say no, no,

(47:55):
we don't want there to be that kind of verification.
I think it's an important thing for voters to know
going into the midterms.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Yeah. Well, and picking up Katie Britt from Alabama and
Dave McCormick from Pennsylvania is a nice thing to have.
And cender Lee has talked about this, We've had him
on the show before. You know, to me, Greg, it
just doesn't it makes sense just to ask for a Kate,
who was it, Who's the lawmaker I'm thinking of? She
was up in the hill yesterday during the hearing on
this hill. Represent to Perucci, Yes, yeah, right, oh yeah,

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she was good and she gave a read a country
mile long list of things that you have to show
your ID to do.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Yes, it is lengthy, and it's not controversial either. The
list is not I don't see any of these Democrats
screaming about having to use an ID. Whether it's it's
a bank, whether it's over twenty one night club, whether
it's an airline, you name it. Even if you have
a pass that you used for your family, you had
to have an ID to use it. You have to

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show the family pass to and then you show your
idea with it. There's so many examples of that of
which the Democrats have never complained. They certainly didn't complain.
When you need an ID and a COVID card or
a vaccine card, you had to have that. You had
that have that COVID vaccine card and you have to
have your ID to show that the name on that
COVID vaccine card was used, So you had to have
that to go anywhere. That wasn't a problem. It's only

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when you're voting that now that has the chilling effect.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
It's a problem.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
It doesn't pass the smelt.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Apparently it's a problem. Democrats can't deal with it, that's
for sure. All right, more coming up Power number three
of the Rod and Gregg Show, don't forget the governor,
state of the state coming your way at six thirty
stay with us.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Would you like to know the state of the state.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Yeah, well, yeah, it's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Yeah, that's all he needs to say.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I just said it. That's all you need to know.
We're awesome.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Hey, look, compare this state to the other states. I
I know we have our problems, but I take our
back of problems over the back of problems in the
other states any day. I don't character Texas or Florida,
I'd still say I'm taking Utah.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
You know, my question is, Greg, Apparently the East coast
is getting ready for a whale of a winter storm, right, Yes,
why can't at a little bit of it come our way?
Because we need the water picture we were told today
is pretty bleak.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
I like to be warm, so I still say that's awesome.
At stay in the state. Awesome where I do not
have any blizzard to freeze to death, I think that's great.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yeah, but you don't mind drinking water in the summer,
get out of a bottle.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Yeah, I just I have bottled water for that.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Okay, all right. Well, another big event is coming up
this weekend. It's the March for Life, put on every
year by Pro Life of Utah. And to preview west
coming up and some of the issues dealing with abortion
right now, we thought we'd bring on Mary Taylor is
president of Pro Life Utah. Mary, how are you and
welcome back to the Rod and Greg Show. Great to
talk to you, Mary, I am good.

Speaker 8 (50:53):
Rod. Let me just tell you do not you do
not be wishing for a storm before our march.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Okay, all right, all right, yeah I want Rod is
just kind of you know, you just kind of rain
on your parade literally.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Sorry.

Speaker 8 (51:09):
Yeah, it's going to be chili, but it's gonna be sunny,
so so no storms.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
All right. Tell us about your March for Life this year, Mary,
what's going to be taking place?

Speaker 8 (51:19):
Well, we meet on the steps of the state Capitol,
the South steps at eleven a m. We have some
very inspiring speakers that will will be up. It's a
family friendly event. You'll see strollers and kids running around
and after the speakers, we all march around the Capitol grounds.
It is really a motivating event, so I urge everybody

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to come out and join us.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
So, Mary, my question, over the years, as you've held
this important rally, I think it's very important stay front
of mind. What's what's the attendance like? Does does it
get tired? Does it go down sometimes and then we
get it maybe a democratic power and people kind of
wake up. Or is it a constant, you know, presence
that you see year every year?

Speaker 2 (52:02):
What's it? What's it look like?

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I mean, how do utons react and how does this
even the March for Life nationally? How does that usually look?

Speaker 8 (52:09):
Well, let me tell you. When we started this eleven
years ago, there were thirty five of us, yeah exactly,
and we've built that up. The next year, I think
there was one hundred and fifty and then there was
three hundred something like that. But we get some pretty
good crowds now. Of course, if there's something in the

(52:31):
news sometimes that will spur attendance a little bit, but
we're usually one thousand and fifteen hundred people easily. So
it's it's good attendance and so much fun to get
together with people who are like minded and support this cause.
It's just wonderful, it is.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
I've had a chance to see the event a couple
of times, Mary, thanks to you, and it's always been marvelous. Mary,
give us an update on abortion here in Utah. The
trigger law? Where does that stand? Where does this effort stand?
Right now?

Speaker 8 (53:01):
You bad? So you might remember our trigger bill was
enjoined back in twenty twenty two when Roe v. Wade
was overturned, And here we are, what three and a
half years later, and the injunction was upheld by the
Uta Supreme Court back in August. Much to our disappointment.
The AG's office just recently requested that the Third District

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Court give a summary judgment. This case has just been
moving so slowly, it is just so aggravating. So April
sixteenth this year, there will be a summary judgment hearing.
But regardless of what happens, we know it will be
appealed and it will go to the Utah Supreme Court
again for the final ruling. We're probably several years away

(53:48):
from any resolution. In the meantime, I might add that
there have been ten thousand plus we estimate, based on
annual abortion rates ten thousand plus babies that should have
been protected by this law that have lost their life
to abortion.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Has the defunding of or the refusal to receive medicaid
money or federal money for planned parenthood? Is that slowing
down that murder mill? And I'll call it that. That's
what I think it is. That is that being changed
by the way the President has appropriated those funds or
even Congress has done it through the Big Beautiful Bill
or Recision Acts. How does that affect planner.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
It's ability to do it.

Speaker 8 (54:31):
Yeah, there's been an ebb and flow with that. They
had the Title ten money restricted from them for a while.
It's been up for debate in Congress whether to be
flexible on this issue or not. It's it's very sad
so here in Utah this year at General Session, Representative
Nicoline Peck is running a bill HB two thirty two,

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and that bill will hopefully remove abortion providers from Medicaid
provider lists. Now, back last summer, the Supreme Court heard
a case Madina versus South Carolina and upheld South Carolina's
right to do that. So that's opened the door for
other states to put that restriction in place. And we're

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hoping to see it here in Utah.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Funal question for you, Mary, again, could you give the
information the time and place of the event this year
so people who want to attend we'll be able to
know where to find you.

Speaker 8 (55:28):
Yes, Saturday, January twenty fourth, eleven am, south steps of
the Utah State Capitol.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
All right, Mary, good luck with the event as always,
and we appreciate your time.

Speaker 8 (55:37):
Thanks Mary, thank you, bye bye.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
All right. That's Mary Taylor, president of Pro Life Utah,
talking about that event. I've em seated a couple of times.
It is a fun event and people are very positive.
I've tended family orident.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
I've attended in the past. It is it's a good event.
It's important. I think I started to get lazy on
this issue where I thought I knew, you know I was.
I thought it was kind of a everybody kind of
knew where they were. We've said all that needs to
be said. And then you had that Democrat governor from
Virginia that started talking about what they called partial birth abortion,
which is really in fantaside where they were killing these newborns,

(56:13):
which just you know, in saying what their head was
still not having been given birth, but they were killing
these banks, and so I realized these they're not going
to stop now, They're gonna They're gonna call it abortion
when the kids a month old. I mean literally, they
were just pushing that envelope so far, and it just
strengthened my resolve that we have got to protect life
unapologetically every single day, because if you rest up, if
you if you think that issues decided way U til

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you see what the Democrats want to do next, it'll
just make you sick.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Yeah, it will all right again, that gets underway up
with the state Capitol this Saturday. Check it out. You
can go online, just plug in or search for pro
Life Utah and they'll have all the information there.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
All right.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
More coming up on the Roden Graag Show and Talk
Radio one oh five nine KNRS. I think it's the
last Sundance Film Festival. They'll be here in Utah.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Is it even here?

Speaker 1 (56:59):
This?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
I mean, I'm watching our partner channel too. They're update
but apparently they're doing some pieces the last one. But
did you did you ever go to the Sundance?

Speaker 2 (57:09):
I did? Did you? I would go?

Speaker 3 (57:11):
You were up there?

Speaker 2 (57:12):
They would I went to like the Rose Wagoner Theater.
So it was one down here here, yeah, there.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
So I went to one of the premiere shows that
or movies back in the day. I went to one
of those, and I've seen some of them. But you
know that Boulder went and Colorado went and bid for this,
and now Sun Dances going there. Good luck Boulder. At
first off, you can't get the Boulder unless you got
a private plane because if you you literally could drive
from Salt Lake City and get there in the ten

(57:39):
hours it takes you to get the Denver wait for
a connecting flight to take the next flight. It's a
it's a very long way to get the Boulder, Colorado.
But I think it's going to be. They can have it. Honestly,
I I'm I'm so. I think that thing is run
its course and I don't I don't think the economic
bump or lift has been worth the the the narrative

(58:01):
that's come out of that that film festival.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Well, I remember greg two things that two or three
things that were brought up when they were making their
decision to leave. We talked to some of our listeners,
and our listeners said a couple of things. First of all,
they crowded the ski resorts. You couldn't you know, everything
was scrout traffic, there was bad You couldn't get into
a good restaurant to get something to eat. So I
think as far as the locals who don't didn't you know,

(58:26):
you know, drool over the Park City Sundayance Film Festival,
are happy to see him go because life is going
to get back to normal up there during typically which
is a great time of year to ski except for
this year.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
But yeah, but you know that, and that reminds me.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
We even had callers that called in that that were
doing the ubers or the transport companies that would say
that you know, they they were tippers or they were
they would just pay. Well, it was it was. It
wasn't a good it. It took so long. It was
a false economy. It didn't work out. All the thing,
all the businesses that you would think would benefit from that,
the way that thing was structured, it ended up they're

(58:59):
better off with just the tourist industry generally then that
film festival. And so, I you know, like I said,
I am not I remember one year they it was
the outdoor retailers. But when these liberal groups get together,
they like to tell the state legislature what politics they're saying.
If you don't, if you don't do what we tell you,
we're gonna we're gonna leave your state. And to that,
I said, you make coach, will make policy Patagonia when

(59:20):
you threaten us. And to Sundance, I'd say, you make movies,
will make laws. You know, don't don't tell us what
to do. I like to be told what to do. Really, Yeah,
I don't like bossy people. Democrats are bossy. Yeah, Well,
they're looking out for your best interest.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
They they're socially engineering our lives.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Yeah, all right, Now, what of all the states? We
have great states here in this great country of ours.
Of all the states, which one do you think is
the worst place to live to raise a family? To
raise a.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Family, I wouldn't want to be in Portland or something
when the liberal bastions where my kid wid getting, you know,
radicalized or something.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Well, wallet Hub is out with this survey and it
shows that the state the worst place in America to
raise a family. This was kind of revealing to me
New Mexico. Well enchantment.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
It is a bit of a desert, it is, but
it's I could see that. What does it tell you? Why?

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Well, they let's see, they looked at the social socioeconomic scale,
they looked at education, they looked at family fun. Uh,
it just it bombed everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
I I don't know if the statistic is holding today,
but I think some of the circumstances are the same.
But for a long time, Utah was the most upwardly
mobile state, meaning that you could come here, yes, or
be born here, raised up the dirtport, and you could
either work in a profession or start a business, and
you would escape the circumstances in which you were born

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in and be upwardly mobile in Utah at a higher
rate or percentage than any other state.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Well, this is states. The states were states to raise
a family. Okay, take that into account.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
What is this list? Okay, to raise a family?

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Can the other they're rounding out? The bottom five are
West Virginia.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Oh that's totally true. I've been to West Virginia. Yeah,
they're they're hillbillies. They're drinking moonshine up in the hills.
They don't even send their kids to school. Mississippi, But
schools have improved, they have they actually.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Have Yeah, Nevada.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Could you're in Vegas, it's just going to ruin it,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
You know when your kids.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
I know people live down in Vegas and never go
out on this trip and they enjoy Vega.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
But then their kids become teenagers to ge get cars.
They're going to find that place.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Yeah, they will, they will. And the last one was Alabama, Alabama.
I hear Alabama's not a bad thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
I think that's I'm surprised by that one. I would
have think I thought, I don't know, I would think, Yeah,
I'm surprised by Alabama.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
I am.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
I was gonna say Maryland. Something in Baltimore, but there's
more to Maryland than just Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
So I don't know. But that place you can have it, Yeah,
that should.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
That's why I'm trying to figure out a New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Oh that's another.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
I've ever been there, I've been.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
I've been there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
I've been to I've been to Newark, New Jersey, that
bad a couple of times. Yeah, and yeah, but not
by choice. I had to go there. It was either
a yeah, it was I had to go there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Well, and I've been through New Mexico. But that's about it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Yeah, yeah, I think I've been through New Mexican. Do
you have to get there to get to Texas?

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Yeah you do? Yeah, you right, Albuquerque, remember.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Bugs, Bunny, I should take the left at Albuqueze.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Yeah, all right, more coming up when we come back.
Live coverage of the governor's State of the State address
right here on Talk Radio one oh five nine. Okay
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