The Rod and Greg Show: Bible Passages to be Taught in Utah Classrooms

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, he signed in the executive order today on mail
in balloting, and he was taking a few questions about
what's going on and run. He says, we may be
out of there in two or three weeks. He's confident
that we've basically knocked everything out and there's not much
left there. He said, we're going to leave, they like
it or not, because we've basically wiped them out.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Well, he's very matter of fact, and I think we've
heard this today. I think there's been a push today.
These messages started coming out from the administration. You heard
from Secretary of State Mark or Rubio in very stark terms,
We're going to do right. We're going to get this right.
Whether they want to cooperate or not. They can be
as involved as they like, but the end result will
be the same. You heard it from a Secretary of

(00:38):
War P. Hagseeth, and now you hear in the White
House as he's signing those executive orders. Trump, the president's
basically saying we'll be done here soon and we'll either
have they want a deal more than he says he
wants a deal, but they want a deal, and if
they get a deal, it'll be under the terms that
he's described, which would put them back decades and decades,
or they leave and they just decimated it all and

(00:59):
they can go back to this age. They get to
pick which way they'd like this to end. But he's
his administration's pretty adamant this thing's ending soon.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, he indicated that even earlier today the market went crazy.
I think the market was up at one point eleven
hundred points today because if they see an end in sight,
there's some certainty there. The market does not like to
deal with uncertainty sure, and if they see certainty coming,
things will change and hopefully great gas prices will go down.
I mean, man, I filled up the other day and

(01:27):
it was nearly sixty seventy dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah, it's getting more expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
That five dollars a gallon. Line is getting real close.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
And that doesn't And look, when you have a country
like Iran that can threaten you with nuclear weapons, with missiles,
long range missiles, even inter continental missiles, if you have
terrorism that they're sponsoring for forty plus years, you know,
there is an argument that our gas prices we just
all have to kind of lean in a little bit
like our greatest generation and get rid of a threat

(01:55):
like that globally. However, having said that, we have, we've
lived through some very comfortable times and five dollars a gas, Uh,
five dollars a gallon is too much and people will
recoil and it will harm the Republicans in the midterms.
And I don't and I think it's at the same time,
the Republicans, at least in the Senate, as far as
I'm concerned, aren't making the strongest argument of why they
should be returned. So yeah, there's a consequence in the

(02:17):
midterms if you see gas get that expensive. But I
do support what the President's doing, and I liked him
signaling that we're going to come to this is going
to come to a conclusion one way or another, and
uh soon and as it should. I think they've been
decimated if we believe all the and I do believe
that that their Navy's gone and that there are you know,
a lot of their infrastructure that they were using and

(02:38):
that they felt pretty confident about. Is where their war
machine has been destroyed? I think uh, And I think
didn't Secretary Heggs say that there hasn't been a regime changed.
Now they changed definition sometimes I think he's meaning that
we've killed so many leaders in Iran, we're down to
you know, stand and accounting that's been called up. He's
next man up. There's no one left, so you were

(03:00):
middle management. You get to come in here and and
run the show for a while. And he's like really, well,
and you maybe that's the regime change you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Well, you know the concern the leaders have there, They're
afraid if they still bumpsy, I'm the new leader, they
may not be.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Around a better than in the next day.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, there's an issue there. So a lot to talk
about today coming up. Or we'll talk about what a
judge just ruled. As far as the president's plans for
the White House, we'll talk about that. Uh, there is
a new law sign signed into law as a matter
of fact by the governor in which schools here in
Utah will have to include certain Bible verses in their

(03:38):
study of history and Civics. And we'll get into that.
We'll talk with the representative of that bill. What on
earth is going on in the NBA, I mean talk
about criticism being leveled against that league today and in
my opinion, rightfully.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
So absolutely, rightfully so We covered this towards the end
of the show yesterday in the six o'clock hour, we
talked about this Jade and Ivy. He used to play
for the Detroit Pistons, currently plays for the Chicago Bulls.
He's injured at the moment, but he is. You know,
he made a stand and it was on his own time.
He wasn't on the court, he wasn't in a locker
room saying it, but in his own time in his car.

(04:12):
He he kind of expressed his frustration on Pride Month
and this recognition of Pride Day when he feels, according
to his faith, that this is wrong and it's unrighteous
and it should not be something that celebrated. He was
released from the team from the Chicago Bulls for having
made that public statement. And since that's happened, not only
do you have people that are pointing out the misbehavior

(04:34):
of NBA players that never got them released from any
team or coaches, and there's some outlandish and outrageous and
offensive things even coaches have said. But now you're starting
to see even his locker room stand up. I'm looking
at Patrick Williams, who's on that team, and he's standing
up for his teammate, and I think the NBA has
an NBA and the Bulls have a little bit of

(04:56):
an issue on their hands here as they as they
deserve to have. If they're going to start being selective
about someone's expressing their religious beliefs and them taking their
job away from them because they did it, I think
it's I think it's going to get I think it's
gonna get some negative attention that I think the NBA deserves.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
And we're going to talk about that with you and
get your reaction to that rate. By the way, did
we get confirmation the league's MVP is standing beside this
kay avn't been. Oh it's fake news. Yeah, we had
heard that he was, but we didn't know for sure
if that was the case. So it's fake news. Our
good friend Kurt Schlickter will join us here in a
little bit funny. He's got some thoughts on what's going
on in Iran. And Jim Antel will join us talking

(05:32):
about underestimating JD. Van. So we've got a lot to
get to today, And if you want to be a
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to start the show off. We want to start it
off today, Greg. I wonder how many times over the years,

(05:54):
especially this last year and a half, for Donald Trump,
when he's been trying to do so many things and
he's constantly blocked by some judge, you know, and he
just mumbles, you've got to be kidding me. I mean,
Kate's point. Today, You've got a federal judge who late

(06:15):
this afternoon has hit the pause button on the president's
ambitious White House ballroom project.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah. So let me tell you the problem with that.
It's not like these are plans that were submitted and
nothing's happened. The part that they are building, there's nothing
in its place right now. So it is just a
hole in the ground. Yes, and so it's waiting to
be constructed. It has nothing there. So okay, I guess
you can say he doesn't have a right to do it.
We know that Eisenhower added to the and refurbished parts

(06:44):
of the White House. We know that it's happened many presidents.
Even if Barack Obama wanted an indoor basketball court, got
it didn't have to. This is actually public areas where
they could have functions at the White House. I've been
to White House the Christmas parties and things, and it
is a tight squeeze and there are they use a
lot of ten outdoor tents, even in the wintertime to
accommodate the people that they're inviting. This would allow for

(07:05):
the White House to be able to accommodate them in
a better way. And in halfway through the project, or
at least after demolition, the judge says, no, you can't
do it.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, Judge Richard Leon ordered a halt to the construction
of the estimated four hundred million dollars all paid for
in private funding by the way ninety thousand square footballroom,
ruling that Trump hasn't shown any legal authority to bank
r up such a or a bank roll, I should say,
such a sweeping alteration to the presidential residence without the

(07:36):
approval of Congress.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well, you know when the original White House, there wasn't wings,
there wasn't a West Wing, there wasn't an Easter. Those
are wings that came after the White House was constructed.
So we know that construction has occurred. We know that
you know, Eisen, I think it was actually Nixon wanted
a bowling alley. It's a bowling alley, you know, you
get a you know, there's just there's been some private

(07:58):
things that that certain present have wanted the White House
to include. And I don't see anyone blocking that. These
are actually more for the people, so people can visit
and be a part of some of the ceremonies and
things that they do at the White House. Seems like
all upside to me, especially because the public's involved and
it's raised by private money. But this is the big offense.
This is this is where this is the line. This

(08:19):
is the bridge too far.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
So what is he supposed to put it all back together?

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Who knows? I would like, we're going to drag in
some liberal bunch of architects. They're gonna want it to
be you know, green, they're gonna want it to be
you know, they're going to collect every drop of rain
from the roof and put it into you know, little
containers that they can hold the water. Who knows, who
knows what they're gonna do, but they have some leftist

(08:44):
idea on how to how to get something.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Built over that. Yeah, it just put it back together.
Y sure, And what this judge and what what the
libs don't understand? Donald Trump is a builder, Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
All the presidents. This is the guy you want.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
He loves to build things. And you know he's going
to get that ballroom one way or another. I don't
think this judge is going to stop him.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Well, you know this is kindat the poor guy. Simple,
thank you'd be nice. You know you saw the story.
There was stories a long long time ago. I think
Mayor Ed Koch was the mayor of New York City.
They could not get that that skating rink done in
Central Park. He took it over. He got it done
ahead of schedule, under budget.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, and you know what he did. He called the
Montreal Canadians to find out what's the best formula for
good ice.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
Guy.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
I think you want him building things?

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah? I want the building things. All right. We've got
a lot to get to when we come back. Bible
versus in our schools. We'll talk about that next. As
the Rod and Greg Show rolls along and rolls into
this Tuesday afternoon right here on Utah's Talk Radio one
O five nine, can't arrests. I was thinking, I was
thinking you ran you had run out of things to say,
and I said, youge again. Yeah, he didn't run out

(09:51):
of things.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Muhammad Ali boxes, Michael Jordan plays basketball. I talk, you talk,
There you go.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
I rod our cat, welcome back. Now. It may be
the first such law in the nation. I didn't realize this,
but the governor has now signed into law a new law,
and it's still in the early development stages as how
this is going to work. From what we understand, Greg,
but this law in social studies and civic studies, I guess,

(10:19):
would incorporate the study of Bible versus in some of
our very important documents and very important movements that we've
had in this country. It could be a first in
the country. It is, by the way, from what I understood.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
I am telling you, I'm excited about this interview and
I'm excited about discussing this. So the Salt Lake Tribune
had this. I think it's a little bit misleading of
the headline. As early as third grade, Utah students will
need to study Bible passages and social studies under lessons
learned under the law. Joining us to talk about this bill,
that representative of Tierra Tierra ox here sponsored. It's House

(10:54):
Bill three twelve that does this. We're going to get
a little clarity. Thank you, representative for joining us on
the program. Now here's the deal. I would love for
you to share with our listeners. What does your bill
specifically do in regards to Bible passages and how they
specifically relate to our US history. That's not in the headline,
but there is a story to tell here about what

(11:16):
legislation you passed. Maybe you can share with our listeners.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:19):
Thanks, I'm really really excited about this bill actually, and
it came about from a lot of the conversations that
I've had with constituents in my districts. In fact, representatives
all over.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
Our state have heard over and over.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
Again that our kids aren't coming out of school understanding
our government how to relate.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
To it and our history.

Speaker 6 (11:44):
And a lot of that has to do with how
we learn about our history. And so right now, the
way our history classes work is they're kind of taught
in silos. You have Utah history give you as a history,
you have world history, and there are all these disconnected
pieces without the philosophical thread that ties them together.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
And so really, when I was.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
Thinking about that, I'm trying to understand, you know, if
the kids are learning about why the Pioneers crossed the
plains without understanding why the Pilgrims across the ocean in
sixteen twenty, you know, and why do we even mark
sixteen twenty as the beginning of the American experiment when
we know that there were others here before that. You know,

(12:28):
the Spanish were in Florida, the Dutch were New York,
Gamestown was already settled by other English. The Vikings had
already made it across. So what made the Pilgrims different?
And that I think is the core idea of their
radical commitment to religious liberty and their belief and self
government and you know, the covenantal understanding of law and

(12:49):
accountability under God. And so when you can understand that
these ideas were all revolutionary at the time, and then
you know, when you're learning about Utah and the Pioneers
crossing the planes, it was for the exact same reason why.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
The Pilgrims crossed the ocean. It was for.

Speaker 6 (13:08):
Religious liberty and self government. And I think so many
of our representatives, I mean, I think we had something
like thirteen civic bills get introduced to last session because
so many of us were worried that our kids are
not understanding this incredible inheritance.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
That we have been given.

Speaker 6 (13:28):
And you know, the mark of an educated person and
going to college used to be based off of reading
the Great Books, and many of those great books. You know,
you start with Homer and you learn about the Odyssey,
and you learn, you know, from Virgil and the Need,

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and what you're learning in that is you're learning, you know,
the honor and fate, and you know what the cost
of pride is, or you're learning duties sacrifice. But then
part of those great books is the Bible, that is
part of our Western civilization and literature, and it tells
us about you know, reason and virtue and natural law

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and justice and.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
Liberty under God. And so when we're focusing so much on.

Speaker 6 (14:21):
Primary documents, if you're reading those without the context that
our founding fathers were getting.

Speaker 5 (14:29):
A lot of these ideas from their.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
Religious instruction and their religious beliefs, you just don't understand
the context of where these ideas are coming from. And
so it's not necessarily that this bill is saying you
need to have religious instruction and you're going to be
being taught about this, you know, in a way of
making belief. But it's about the understanding it from a

(14:55):
historical context and from a literary context where these ideas
and our Founding documents are coming from. I think if
you analyze the.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
Founding Fathers, sorry, just.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
If you analyze the Founding Fathers, like sixty eight percent
of the quotes and all of their letters and writings
are from Bible versus and so to just disregard that
or pretend that that's not happening does a severe injustice
to our kids. To understand where a lot of these
ideas for this radical American experiment came.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
From representative I imagine you've heard from the critics already.
You would say, okay, here we go introducing Bible study
into public schools. The courts say you can't do that.
What do they need to understand about what you're trying
to do here? And how narrow of a scope will
teachers have when they discuss, you know, the influence of
the Bible in our in our very important historical documents.

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How narrow of a scope will they be looking at?

Speaker 7 (15:52):
Well?

Speaker 5 (15:52):
I mean, I think anyone who says that.

Speaker 6 (15:56):
That is against the law obviously doesn't understand what the
law is.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
And you know, the.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
Bible has been caught you know, for centuries as literature,
and it's only been recently that we've kind of taken
a set back and thought, oh, maybe maybe we can't
teach this because of this idea of separation of church
and state, which is also grossly misunderstood. But as long

(16:24):
as we are not teaching a belief set and trying
to teach kids, hey, you have to believe this way.
It is more like our founding fathers were reading these
verses and this is where this idea came from.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
I mean, I think it was in Massachusetts.

Speaker 6 (16:44):
In right before the Revolution, there was a law book
that was set out for the laws, and every law
that was written on the page was actually cross reference
to a Bible verse. And so tending that our history,
that our ideas, that our laws all came out of

(17:04):
nowhere makes it so that we cannot understand when people
want to change laws, or when we're discussing ideas and
values in our culture, we need to understand where that
came from and what that was building off of. Otherwise,
you know, you can just be open to any interpretation
but if you know where they came from, then it's

(17:27):
easier to say, oh, I understand that human dignity is,
you know, because God believes that every life matters, you know,
and that is.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
What these our founding fathers read. And so I think.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
There is a lot of I don't know. I think
anything with religion or Bibles scares some people, but I
think they need to take a step back and actually
read what this is saying, and in the law it
so specifically. You know, this isn't about religious instruction. This
is about the historical context and what our founding fathers
were basing their beliefs.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
And ideas off of. In addition to all of.

Speaker 6 (18:06):
The other great books like I talked about, I mean,
we're looking there's a whole list of different things to
look at, and you know, scriptures from the Bible are
some of them. And you know, that's just in.

Speaker 5 (18:19):
The whole range of everything else that our.

Speaker 6 (18:21):
Founding fathers were looking at.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
And I think it's.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
Incredible to really think about. Okay, you know, as someone
had the ability to create their own government from scratch,
which had never been done before in the history of
the world, what did they.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Look to well said representative. Thank you again for running
the bill. It's now law, and I'll look forward to
seeing it it implement. I think there's a lot to
be learned there and it's going to help with our
civics education. Thank you for joining us on the program.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Well, I asked her just a moment ago about opposition
to this, and I'm just seeing this news release being
put out just a short time ago from the organization
called the Freedom from Religion Foundation, and they claim that
this new bill mandates young students with a religious agenda
in schools. No, it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
There's a historical there's.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
A historical context in all of this, and that's what
we need to talk about and get your reaction to
all of this and what she is trying to do.
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Speaker 3 (19:28):
Built through twelve that allows for the instruction of Bible
passages or references that you find in our historical documents,
are founding documents just in history in general. I don't
know I don't remember when it was that this observation
was shared with me, but I was young, and you know,
we're talking about we were talking about revolutionary war, we're

(19:50):
talking about the founding of this nation. And it was
said to me that we spend appropriately a lot of
time talking about the Boston Tea Party. This was, you know,
when the taxes with you know, taxation without representation, and
how important it was to the people at the time
that they not suffered the tyranny and the taxation of
an oppressive king. And so they did this where they

(20:11):
dumped the teat of the harbor. But it was said
to me that, you know, the American founding is not
about the Boston Tea Party. It's about Plymouth Rock. And
if you think about Plymouth Rock and you think about
the you know, the Pilgrims, and you think about people
coming to this country, it was seeking religious.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Freedom because they didn't have any. Because they didn't have it.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
They were being compelled by their government to be a
member of a specific faith, and they wanted to be
able to worship according to the dictates of their own conscience.
And so it kind of reset me a little bit
thinking about how the country why the country was founded
and when we mark that moment, and we do. I mean,
that's why we have Thanksgiving, It's why it is that moment,

(20:55):
and it really is about that. It's it's religious for
you know, of religion is one thing, but your freedom
of self determination, the liberty that we have in this country.
What an experiment, a human experiment that you hadn't seen
in recorded human history. And really until now you saw
parts of it. You know, the Magna Carta. You saw things,
but you didn't see the United He didn't see coming

(21:16):
what what we have today. So I think that if
you didn't understand Plymouth Rock or why Plymouth Rock, or
you couldn't even mention, you know, wanting to worship or
religion or what its role was in people coming to America,
you would be missing a big, big part of why
this country was founded. And I think that's the point

(21:37):
that the representatives trying to make with making sure we
can share the Bible passages and the religious interests and
priorities with and how they how they comport with the
founding of this country.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
You know, if they say sometimes the pendulum swings way
too far the other way, and I think over the
years it has in this country is that you can't
even bring up religion in school today, and I think
this bill is attempting to bring it back a little
bit to where it should be, because I'm with you, Greg,
I mean Plymouth Rock. You know, the pioneers coming to

(22:11):
this valley for Crinela. What drove them to do the
things that they did, it was their faith in God
and their desire to practice that faith. And they, you know,
in our founding fathers did think of that as they
were writing some of these documents like the Declaration of
Independence and the Constitution. So I don't think you can
ignore it well, and we have attempted to.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
If you never mentioned the Pilgrims, if you can't mane,
if you could never explain the pioneers that moved, that
settled the Salt Lake Valley without ever mentioning the religion
the faith, wow, I think you've robbed people of any
context of why it happened, how it happened. And I
think that's part of history is understanding all the context.

(22:55):
And we've gotten so like you said, I think there's
people out there and there's protests out there. You can't
bring up religion at all, what if religion had a
major what if in that decision tree, your faith was
a major part of that decision and why you made
your decisions, why you decided to take a risk to
go to a land far away. Uh, it's you.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
You aren't.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
You're doing everyone at disservice if you're omitting some of
the details because you're so afraid to mention deity. Meanwhile,
we got the same libraries that want to show these
kids how to do all kinds of things that are
beyond sex, that and reproduction. They want to show you
all kinds of other scary stuff and stuff not age appropriate.
That's all fine, but haven't forbid you show the context
of you know, divine providence and God and the decisions

(23:40):
made that founded this country.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, well you've heard that phrase before, inalienable rights. I've
always understood that to mean God given rights.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
That's correct. Imagine that.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
And so you can't mention inalienable rights and what that
means to our some of our founding documents makes no
sense to me.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yeah, if you're if you don't believe in a higher
power than every right you have is man bestowed you
were any right you have it was bestowed by man
in some form of government. And that's all you get,
is what they say. We know that there's a little
bigger picture.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
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With that be at the top of the hour. We're
going to dig into this decision by the Chicago Bulls

(24:33):
to let one of their players go because he basically felt,
according to his religious beliefs, that bride Knight was unrighteous.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Imagine as a result he was let go by the team.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, and then I want to get into this. You
do a s next hour because we're.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Ready the coming out. Because we're doing the coming out.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
You got a great You got a great football player
for the New York Giants. I think that's come out
in support of him as well. He sang, and you
got you Mike Rabel, who I like as a coach.
He's like chastising the players on his team that have
come out in support of this of this player. Really,
he's saying, I respect my player, but you know he
needs to be more inclusive. I mean, come on, now,

(25:16):
what a what a.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
More educated wow? Need to be more educated? Wow? All right,
I want to go back to where we're talking about
the study of Biblical versus schools and and and and
the uh putting him in context. Break, I asked the representative,
you know how tight the scope will be, And my
personal opinion, it needs to be very tight as they

(25:40):
teach this because if they get if they stray from
what is designed to be taught, all of a sudden,
you're going to have the arguments coming that you're teaching
the Bible in school. That's they're not doing this. They're
looking at the significance of certain Bible uh uh versus
in the overall context of the founding of America and

(26:03):
our American history. I have no problem with then. I
think we should have that.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
It's odd to not I think you've left gaps if
you've I mean, but look, I mean I was shocked
to find out that just learning basic history, learning about
the founding of this nation is now becoming rare and
in K through twelve and high ed these used to
be just your your basics that you would you would
learn in general ed in college, but also in high

(26:28):
school and K through twelve. But some of this is
just being completely glossed over and not mentioned at all.
So as important as it is to mention the founding
of this nation, you better start talking about what was
prompting at all. Yeah, which you know God had had
had a role, had a direct hand in it. I
don't know how you talk about any of it without

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including it.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, well you go back to what the what was
it two years and now ago? Now, maybe three years ago.
Remember the big expose in the New York Times, the
sixteen nineteen project, is that what it was called, and
trying to convince the American people that this country was
founded by a bunch of white guys who wanted slaves.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yep. All was about greed and about enslaving people. That's
why America is America today. Well, if you never get
to hear their side of the story or what was
motivating them at the time, you could get deceived into
thinking that might be the case.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, yeah, so it'll be interesting. Like I said, the
scope of what they this is probably I think Greg
I thought I saw in the article this is a
couple of years away. I mean, they've really got to
design this and make sure, you know, it fits what
they're trying to do here, and to respect others who
don't believe in the Bible or don't think the Bible

(27:42):
is a vital part of our history. So they've got
to respect that. So I think the scope needs to
be worked out, and it's going to be up to
the Department of Education here in the state of Utah
to come up with that. And when they do come
up with that, I imagine Gregil will be up for
a public hearing and we'll see where it goes from here. Yeah,
I would think.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
I agree, I do. I think, yeah, I'm not afraid
of any of this. Should we go to our callers
and uh and see what well, no, this is on
the other side.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, we'll get into that, because I tell you what,
Greg the reaction to this, they're so overboard on this.
And I've got a list of NBA players who have
done things, been slightly disciplined, and I mean slightly disciplined,
but but they've been kicked off the team of course.

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And you know, apparently this kid was detrimental for saying
Pride Night is unrighteous. That's that's what it comes down to.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, So so we'll get into that. We'll get your calls.
Of course, like I said, coming up, we'll talk about that,
we'll get your reaction to that. Eight eight eight five
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(29:02):
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oh five nine. Man, all right, the governor has signed

(29:25):
a bill to that effect. It goes into effect. I
think in a couple of years. I think they need
to refine it and come up with the curriculum as
to how they'll able to how they'll be able to
do that. But let's go to the phones. We asked
for your comments on this. Let's go to cal in
Ogden to nine. He wants to weigh in on this. Cal,
How are you welcome to The Roden Gregg Show.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Good Rod, Hey, listen back in the mid to late
nineteen sixties. I can't remember the exact timeframe. I was
going to a school in Davis County and I was
a seminary student at the time. I graduated from four
years of LDS Seminary and in my first two years
in seminary, we studied Old Testament and New Testament and

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I was given history credits for both of those classes.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yeah. Really, as it is. That's and that's even more
than what YEAH would do. But it's it is history.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
It is absolutely they both have they both have archaeological
evidence backing them up.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah, yeah, they are history. That's true. All right, cal
thank you, Thank you, appreciate that. Now let's go to
the phones because we want to get your overall reaction
wor all dig into this whole NBA story. But we've
got a caller already wanting to weigh in on this tonight.
Stevens and West Valley. Steve, how are you welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 8 (30:42):
Hey, Rod, Hey, Greg, how are you doing done?

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Well? Thank you?

Speaker 8 (30:45):
So if we changed the times to right now and
political correctness, would that happen to Michael Jordan or Scottie Tippins.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
I just laughed, Steve, because you know there's no way,
there's no way you can take a good player today.

Speaker 8 (31:06):
So it's worth the risk to just get a rid
of a worthless player. It doesn't contribute much. Hey, and
then Greg, Yeah, you're no Michael Jordan's, but you are
definitely a Scottie pivot.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
You know what I'll take that.

Speaker 9 (31:22):
I'll take that pivot the Michael Jordan and it wouldn't
happen as a.

Speaker 8 (31:30):
Duo like the other talk shows without the two of
you made it show great and made it enjoyable.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Steve, what a beautiful compliment. I will be the Scottie
Pippen to the Michael Jordan rotroquette all day and the
day I'm doing. Man, I'm Scotty Pippen. What a nice
nice All right.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Let's talk about what happened to Jade and Ivy. If
you aren't aware of it, he there was some social
media posting from him. I don't know how old they
were the last couple of days I believe, in which
he basically came on and basically questioned the NBA and
the Pride Knights. Then that they have at you know,

(32:10):
NBA teams around the country. Okay, and he said, because
of his newfound religious belief, and we'll let you hear
from me, it was not always a religious man. He
found them to be unrighteous. Yeah, boy did that righteousness
a celebrating unrighteousness. A boy, did that set off the league?
And as a result, he started with the Pistons, had

(32:31):
been dealt by the Bulls, been injured this year by
the Bulls. They decided to release him, saying he was
detrimental to the team.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Now you know what Steve the color Steve's brought up.
You know, if if the guy was actually playing and
putting up points every single putting up big stats for
the Bulls, maybe they would have had a different reason.
Maybe this was just a a not the real reason.
It was a good reason to get rid of him.
And the real reason is they wanted to unload the salary.
But if that was even their intention, doing it under
this banner has caused all kinds of controversy. There a

(33:01):
lot of athletes right now, including from his locker room
and now spreading across the NFL. You've got des Bryant,
You've got a player from the the from the it's
Trayvon Henderson from the from the Patriots. They're they're being
very public and taking the side of Ivy well.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
And so anyway, I watch your list of Ivy because
this was posted yesterday by Ivy after his release. He
talked about what his life was like in the NBA
before he found his faith in God.

Speaker 10 (33:31):
The NBA was was was everything to know. I didn't
know God, I didn't know Jesus. When I came to
the NBA. I was a fornicator. I was a pornography
add it and and I used to get drawn. That's
all I knew. And after a when I felt good,

(33:52):
after after all those points, I felt good.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
I felt good.

Speaker 10 (33:57):
I felt like I had everything set out for me.

Speaker 11 (34:01):
Right.

Speaker 10 (34:01):
But but as soon as that shut down for me,
as soon as I didn't start, that's that's when. That's
when God was humbling me. And he said he sat
me down for a reason.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
I'm down for a reason. It was teaching him a lesson.
That's what Jade and Ivy believes. Yet the league says
you cannot express that or you cannot raise questions about
Pride Night. Yet, Greg, how many stars in this league
have come out saying wild accusations either against the president,
against law enforcement, you name it, and they're still on
the teams today.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Well, you have you have a you have a coach
in Kerry who wants to call you know, the federal
agents murderer.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, list of this. This Steve Kerr, this is after
the shooting of the protester there in Minnesota, Minneapolis, earlier
this year or last year. What he had to say
about law enforcement in this country, you.

Speaker 12 (34:51):
Know, recognized you know, her life and the tragic nature
of her death. And it's u shameful really that in
our country we can have law enforcement officers who commit
murder and seemingly get away with it. It's shameful that

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the government can come out and lie about what happened
when there's video and witnesses who have all come out
and disputed what the government is saying. So very demoralizing,
devastating to lose you know, anyone's life, especially in that matter.
So it's terrible, terribly sad for her family and for

(35:35):
her and for that city. And I'm glad the Timberwolves
came out and express that sadness.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
So Kurt basically said, it's okay for law enforcement in
this country to murder.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
People said, and accusing him of it, and no one bats.
And that's when you could beat your wife, you beat
a girlfriend, you get a found with drugs, no one bats,
and I heaven forbid you speak of your Christian faith,
You're out of here. That's not, that's not. And then
I got this clip from coach Rabel who says that
I he gives all the credit to his player, that
he's a religious man, he believes in his faith, but

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he needs them to be more educated and inclusive. He
says it here I got, I got.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Let's play that audio sound and see what he says.

Speaker 13 (36:14):
Beyond quoted some Bible versus supporting a Chicago Bulls player
who got released.

Speaker 11 (36:20):
Okay, some.

Speaker 13 (36:23):
Comments okay that he made, and I just what how
do you measure the line between conduct detrimental to the team,
which is why the Bulls released the player in their view,
and allowing the twenty three year old to, you know,
express his personal part.

Speaker 11 (36:37):
I think there is a fine one. I want to
tell you. I love Trevion. I love the person there.

Speaker 14 (36:42):
He cares deeply about our team, he cares deeply about
his faith. He cares deeply about his family, his wife,
the people in our building.

Speaker 11 (36:54):
And so I want them to be able to.

Speaker 14 (36:56):
Express what they believe in their heart and in their mind,
but also want to make sure that they're educated.

Speaker 11 (37:03):
And we want to be inclusive.

Speaker 14 (37:05):
We want to everything we want to do wants to
provide an environment for people to want to feel comfortable,
but also to share their personal beliefs. And then also
we represent the team and then we represent the organization.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Well, I want to know Greg when he says I
want them to be educated, does he mean we want
them to be educated that they notice shut up?

Speaker 3 (37:26):
That's what he's saying.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
What he's saying.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
I got to teach him. I got to And let
me tell you this is the controversyal word that Travon
Traveon Henderson said that his coach, Mike Grable's commenting on
Here's what he said. He and this is in response
to Ivy losing his job, you know, Jade and Ivy
being let go. He said, Blessed are those who are
persecuted for righteousness sake, for theirs is the Kingdom of

(37:50):
Heaven Matthew five, verse ten. That's what he said. That
right there is what provoked him to say he needs
to be more educated and inclusive. Yeah, I like Verbel
as a coach. I tell you that ladder that he
just threw out there right now. I don't think you
have to be educated or inclusive to be able to
express what Jade and Ivy did or what his football
player did in quoting Matthew five verse ten, those aren't

(38:13):
things you have to educate someone on to make them
more inclusive. You should be able to express your faith
and quote a scripture online and social media. Because he's
talking it's a righteousness part. That's the part that Ivy said.
This is celebrating unrighteousness. So he said, blessed are those
who are persecuted for righteousness. I mean he brings that scripture.
It has every relevance. I don't know what Mike Vrabel

(38:35):
as a coach would want to educate that player for
more than what he shared in that test.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Well, when we come back and we continue this discussion,
we want to open up the phones to you and
get your thoughts on this as well. Eight eight eight
five seven eight zero one zero or leave us a
message on the talk back line. When we come back break,
I'm going to give you a list of NBA players
who committed crimes but are still in the NBA today
and how the teams treated them.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
How much time do wea.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
This may take a little bit of time. I also
this argument is coming up now, Greg, and we can
talk about this. Well, what's the difference between him and
Colin Kaepernick. Yeah, that has come up, So your calls,
your comments coming up on the Roden Greg Show right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine k
n R S. Jaden Ivy, a player in the NBA

(39:25):
who expressed his own personal opinion about Pride Knight. He
did it on his own time in his car, I think,
you know on social.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Media cameras point up you can see the sun roof of.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
B and he basically said, look, I think Pride Knight
is unrighteous or unrighteousness. And the NBA and the Chicago
Bulls have now released him, claiming that his conduct was
detrimental to the team. That's what they say. So apparently, Greg,
NBA players or the NBA right now protects players accused
of crimes, but they target Christians.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, if you, if you have a Christian belief, see
you later.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
I want to read a list of a few of
the players from where they stand. You ready for this?
It's long, but I picked a couple. How about Charlotte
Hornets forward Miles Bridgets arrested in twenty twenty two after
allegedly assaulting his girlfriend while his children were prison He
pleaded no contest to a felony charge injuring a child's parent.

(40:23):
The NBA suspended him for about ten games. Chaved Los
Angeles Lakers center Jackson Hayes arrested in twenty twenty one
for several misdemeanors, including domestic violence charges. For that, the
NBA didn't do a thing. Oh see, the NBA did
get did give Milwaukee Bucks Kevin Porter a four game

(40:46):
suspension after he allegedly beat his girlfriend in a September
twenty twenty three attack so vicious vicious it left her
left her with a fractured neck vertebrate and other injuries.
A rule that Porter had served the suspension in the
season he spent away from the league. Violent violent Yeah.

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While a member of the Chicago Hornets, James bow Knight
was charged with a d w I after he was
found unconscious in a vehicle in a parking lot. He
reportedly had a firearm in his hand. His career was
not impacted at all.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
So, so just what inclusive means domestic violence, inclusive abuse
around children committing these crimes in the presence of children,
that's will be inclusive of that. And we want to
be judgy violence, We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, you know,
inflict violence upon a woman or anyone. That's that's we
don't want to be judgy on that one. No driving
while influenced or d w I with a firearm that

(41:47):
you're not supposed to have. Who are we to judge
Rod that you need to be inclusive when it talks
about the When you're talking about those things, when you've
committed those crimes, those are crimes. You've committed them. There's
not a hole there's so there wasn't a waiver found
amongst those examples you gave. But if you talk about
you think something's unrighteous, and that there's a celebration of

(42:08):
something that you think and through your faith isn't is
celebrating unrighteousness, You're you're out, You're gonna get fired. Okay, well,
I can see why you have players who are people
of faith as well. That are coming out and in
his defense, like I said that the New England Patriot player.
But you got Dez Bryant and he's he's out there,

(42:29):
he's defending him. Cam Curle haven't heard him. He's a
safety for the Rams. He's expressing his Christian faith. In
addition to what what Jaden said, Jade and Ivy has said,
uh so in Tucker Craft he's at Packers tight end.
All of these is just a handful, but these are
players that when they heard this or saw this, they
wanted to express their public support for this this basketball player.

(42:53):
And I've seen another. I don't have the post in
front of me, but he has a teammate in the
Bulls in that Saint Rock absolutely supported him and said
he should never be been released for this.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Well, my question is, Greg, where's the NBA Players Union?

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Yeah? Good question, Uh is the the players Union?

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Aren't They aren't. Isn't that organization designed to protect the
players in dealing with owners and coaches? Where the where's
the NBA Players Union?

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Yeah? And you know what, I've read some of these
comments and they're like, well, discriminating against people that are
gay is against the law, and you can't you can't
condone lawlessness or breaking the law. Well, apparently they do.
With all the laws you described, it were broken. But
in the in the list of protected classes, it might
sexual orientation maybe one. But guess what else is your faith?

(43:40):
You cannot be discriminated. It's the same discrimination. You cannot
be discriminated by the tenets of your faith. If he
is doing a post and it's on his own time,
and it's in his car, and he is expressing his belief,
his his belief of his faith, you can't discriminate against
that either. So anyone who's saying if you you can't
say it's unrighteous because that's discrimination, that's against the law.

(44:01):
Well okay, but you can't, then you shouldn't be able
to fire the man either. He's he's stating an opinion.
They've actually interrupted his livelihood.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, yeah, he's not discriminating against me. Just says, look,
I think it's unrighteous. Yeah, that's all he's saying.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
And eavan forbid, you got you got these players that
are you know, appointing the scripture that says blessed are
those who are persecuted for righteousness sake. There you go.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Okay, Now let's get here's the argument we're hearing today.
You've heard it as well. Well, what about Colin Kaepernick.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Colin Kaepernick was was a quarterback and he decided that
he was going to was it neil or not stay?
Took a knee, took a knee during during a game,
during a game game, and then when asked about it afterwards,
and it became a big deal, and he was doing
he became very performative about this, and then even some
other players started to follow his lead. And this was

(44:51):
him saying that he was he didn't he was mad
at the United States. He felt it was a nation
born on slavery and racism, and he was not going
to participate in a national anthem because he was opposed
to this country and and and it's I guess it's founding.
And so that's why he was kneeling to make that statement.
Why is that not the same as what Jade and

(45:13):
Ivy did.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Did done company time. That's right, that's my opinion.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
What I'm looking at is him in a car. It
doesn't look like he's at the at the Bulls game,
doesn't look like he's on the court, doesn't look like
he's spouting this from the sideline. Doesn't look like he's
doing any of that. He's sharing his feelings of faith.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
On his own time on a post.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Yeah, so I I it's not even close to being
the same. And I think, you know, I would, I
would say that when you're on the job. And I think,
I mean. I loved when they try to drag Michael
Jordan into all these political discussions. He just say, look, man, Democrats, Republicans,
they all by sneakers. Yeah, he's saying, like I got
air Jordan's to sell here. I'm not. You're not getting
me into your partisan stuff.

Speaker 10 (45:52):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
I'm not here to do that. I'm a basketball player.
I I would, you know, this is a political talk
show that we do. I'd love my athletes and my
teams to just just play ball.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I don't. I don't really.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
It's like these Hollywood people that it's large to congress
and give us their opinion. There. They're modern day court jesters.
I could care less what you think politically. DeNiro has
been ruined for me. I actually like that guy as
an actor. He has ruined himself. I can't even look
at him anymore. But you are a court jester. You
are there to entertain. Actors are are athletes. There are
modern day gladiators. For me, I like to see them

(46:23):
compete in the sport. They are the supreme actor talent.
And I don't want to hear one political word, conservative
or liberal. I just want them to play the game.
It's it's the great unifier sports is we can all
be different, have different opinions about a different things, but
we can all cheer for the same team. I like
sports for that for that reason.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
And that's what it's all about. But apparently they don't
understand that.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yeah, they don't.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Some don't understand. And the thing is, the smart ones
do understand. You said, hey, I'm just here to sell sneakers.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Yeah, and if and if someone said, well, hughes Ivy
didn't do that. He went online he said it. Well,
if they didn't fire him over it, who would have known.
You know, the guy can have a personal opinion on
his own time. We wouldn't have heard it. We all
know about it because they what they do. They let
them go, they released them over it. That's why detrimental
conduct detrimental to the team.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yep, uh huh.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Two way street. You gotta have a two way street.
This is not a two way street. We're watching right now.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
All right, your calls and comments. It is the Rod
and Gregg Show on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine.
Can r s big hearing before the Supreme Court tomorrow
on birthright citizenship right? Yes, and guess who's going to
show up? Oh, please tell me Donald J. Trump.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Potus is coming to Scotis. Potus is coming to Scotis.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
There are two historical organizations who looked at this and
they said, this may be the first time ever that
a sitting president has attended oral arguments before the Nation
Science Court.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
And of course that first would be reserved for Donald J. Trump,
because what is it? What is he not afraid to do?
And I think, you know, someone say, well, that might
be unseemly. You know, you've got the didiary and the
executive branch, and you've got the head of the executive
branch staring down the head of the judiciary, the judicial branch. No,

(48:08):
I honestly think he wants to hear in real time,
not a briefing, not a recording of I think he
wants to hear in real time what he thinks he's missing,
because he doesn't think he's missing what the constitution says
about this topic. I'm sure he's been briefed by his
legal you know, his aids, and his legal team thinks
it's a strong, strong case, and he wants to hear

(48:29):
how that rolls out. I think he's genuinely curious. This
isn't just a stare down here, although his presence will
be felt. I think he just wants I think he
really wants to hear how this thing gets debated.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Well, a couple of things for the critics are going
to argue, it's in the constitution, you know, if we
want to address this like Congress address it right. Yeah,
the Supreme Court has never taken up this issue. No,
and the constitutionality of this, so they have every right
to another point, Donald Trump was very critical Justice Is
just a few weeks ago as a result of they're

(49:02):
rolling on the terrorists. Remember he came, he came right out.
So now he's going to sit face to face. My
question is greg will John Roberts recognize him as being
in the audience? Does he have to Well, you would
think out of common courtesy when the President of the
United States shows up, you'd say, I don't know, and
we'd like to recognize President Trump for being here today,
though you need.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
To say, I bet he won't. You know, those guys
they want to be they want to be independent. They're
not going to I don't think they're going to mention it.
I don't think that.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Wouldn't you recognize them?

Speaker 3 (49:32):
I think I think in polite company. Yes, I think
that it would be the appropriate thing to do. But
I think that these justices are going to feel that
this is an intimidation tactic, which, look, you know, the left,
the regimia is going to say that's all this is,
and somehow he wants to impose his will on them,
and they're going to they're going to push back against
that that if it were true, I don't think he is.

(49:52):
I do think he wants them to. I think he
wants to hear it in real time, and I think
he knows his presence means something different than if he
wasn't there. I don't think any of that's lost on him.
But I do believe he wants to hear it, hear
it in real time, and he wants to understand how
they because I've heard constitutional scholars describe this isn't I
don't think this is as an open and shut as
people say. I think there's different ways to interpret what

(50:15):
is said in the Constitution and why it was there
and how it was applied. If you're an originalist to
the Constitution, how that was applied, and those circumstances have
been completely the doors have been blown off of what
those original the original intent was.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Well as I've always understood it. After the Civil War,
the Civil War, there was real debate and real you know,
we got to figure this out. How are we going
to deal with slaves correct who had been born in
this country? Yes, okay, and that's when the fourteenth Amendment
came about. But you're right it has been abused. I mean,
over the years you've seen and there have been birthing

(50:51):
factories in this country where women from China will come
to the United States, have their child, and that child
instantly becomes as the United States.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Which then gives them a lot of rights and access
that they wouldn't have other.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
They wouldn't have they wouldn't have otherwise. So I just
gonna now the other point I make, and if you've
talked to people who have sad in on those hearings,
the tickets are very hard to come by. I mean,
you know, you got to get lucky to get a
ticket to sit inside the court during oral arguments as
big of a case as this is. Do you think

(51:25):
the president had get a ticket? You know, I'm just
I'm just wondering.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Yeah, well, you know, look, they're different practices of government.
They are separate and equal, and I'm really into the
whole separate and equal powers of the three branches we have.
So I I I don't think the judiciary is obligated
a ticket. I don't think they are. But I bet
you he has an in. I bet you he gets
a ticket. I bet you he's able to do it.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
You think, yeah, well he said he's going, so it
must be he knows.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Could you see him trying to shut him out? You
don't have a ticket, so you're gonna have to go back.
I'm sorry. We distribute tickets. You did not get in line.
You did not you did not order ahead of time.
It's like the ticket master, you know, just you didn't.
You didn't go online. You didn't do this, and there's
no resales available for you either. You can't buy it online.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Could you could you see him picking up the phoney
calling Roberts. Hey, John, what are you doing on this date?
I'd like to come see what you're doing. Can you
get me a ticket?

Speaker 3 (52:17):
If you're smart and you have a ticket and you
find out the President didn't get his early enough, you're
out there scalping. You're out there saying, hey, you know
five times at the face value, I get you this ticket.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
I think they're free tickets.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
I would still charge a lot.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah, you want to get in and see the president.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
You could get in otherwise, and I had a ticket,
I might be able to do it. You might be
able to negotiate that with me.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
He does so many first and I love it. Just
cracks me up.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
I do. I love it too. Out a Republican majority
in Congress, House or senec doesn't have the work ethic
this guy is. He He just keeps working. He keeps
working as hard as he can.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
All Right, More coming up the Rod and Greg Show
with you right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine kN rs. Coming up at the top of
the hour. Following our news update, our good friend Urch
Slickter will join us. He'll talk about the victory option
in the conflict with Iran that's coming up following our
news update at the top of the hour. Just joining
us now, we're talking about the release of Jordan Ivy

(53:12):
by the Chicago Bulls. He posted on social media comments
he wasn't wearing his uniform, he was in his car.
He has, you know, found religion. He has found his faith.
He says he's a changed man. And he pointed out
that he felt what the NBA and really the Chicago
Bulls do when it comes to Pride Night for that team,

(53:35):
there's unrighteousness there and he believes they shouldn't be doing it.
And for saying that he has now lost his job.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yeah, and I hesitate. I can't find multiple sources for this,
and I do so. I'm not going to say it's
one hundred percent the case, but it looks like as
I do know that members of the Chicago Bulls locker
room have been supportive of Jade and Ivy and have
been disappointed that he's been cut from the team for
what he's said. Uh, it looks like the Pools the Bulls.

(54:03):
Patrick Williams said, I stand with Jayden on everything he said.
If they cut him, they may as well cut me too.
I think this is going to be a growing story.
I don't know that this is necessarily going to go
away because I think it's I think they did it
not realizing how much of a blowback they would get.
And I and I suspect given how much how many
misdeeds members of players in the NBA have done and

(54:26):
they've not been cut little you know these some don't
even get suspended. I think this is a convenient way
to give their their salary, their roster costs some break,
and they just looked for an actionable item. But it's
it's gotten a lot bigger than that. And I think
that I do like to see athletes and people, prominent
people stand up and say he has a right to

(54:48):
express his religious beliefs and he did it on his
own time, and he shouldn't lose a job over it.
And I know the.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Bulls are determined that he will. And I wonder if
there's any other team out there not in the NBA
they will pick this guy.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yeah, yeah, that will be interesting to say.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
I predict they won't.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
And can you get this guy Vverabel who everybody loves.
He seems to be, you know, a tough guy. He
seems to everyone loves him he's got a great personality.
But then he says, you know, guys like my guy
who supported him, I need to educate him and he
needs to be more inclusive, and you educate him. I mean.
His his response to that using a scriptural reference was
spot on. There's nothing you have to educate, and if

(55:25):
it's you got to keep your mouth shut and not
ever express your beliefs for the beliefs of other people
that they hold. Well, that's I mean again, if you're
talking federal law and protected classes, your your faith is
a protected class. A member of a faith is just
the same as sexual preference.

Speaker 11 (55:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Well, well, when when Rabel said to his player or
about his player, we need to educate him, that's code word.
And the code word is if you don't say what
we want you to say, shut up.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Yeah. Yeah, the education don't.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
The party line shut up is saying to.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
The kid, yep, keep your keep your religion to yourself,
don't say it.

Speaker 15 (56:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
As far as other other things, we're not only gonna
can you say it openly, We're gonna we're going to
create uniforms or posters over at Billboard's over. We're gonna
give it a whole month of celebration. It's so it's
not a two way street.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
So what it comes down to, Greg, I think and
the NBA. I am. I'm not an NBA fan, and
I don't think you don't you know, I'm not big.
I'll watch more college basketball, especially during March Madness, which
I think is is kind of fun to watch. But
I'm not an NBA fan. I don't find it very interesting.
But now you have a league that goes out of
its way, Greg, to protect some star players even if

(56:38):
they commit crimes. Yes, assaulting women driving you know, d
U I, d W I, whatever you want to call it,
driving with a gun when they shouldn't and they're like,
you know, they're slapped on the wrist. Well, don't play
for a couple of games, but we welcome you back. Now.
We had a caller earlier ask us what if this
was a big player in the NBA, because I mean,

(56:59):
Jade and Ivy is not big player. I mean he's
not a star of the league. What if a star
in the league came out and said this, how would
the league handle that differently? Yeah? Oh, I would agree.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
I don't think. I don't think this is this has
been handled the way they would handle every situation. I
think it was situational and they felt like they could
make an example out of an injured player and maybe,
you know, by intimidation or a strong message or as
Rabel said, educate people. This is what happens if you
speak up about your faith because we don't want to
hear it. We absolutely don't want to hear it. It offends

(57:32):
people of no faith that you have faith and we
don't want to hear you utter it, or we're going
to let you go. And they I don't think they would,
but they'd like to have that chilling effect happen. And
that's and it begs the question, why do are people
of faith? Why is it? Why are we being at
that right?

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Well, I think what's funny we were talking about this
during the break. You see more and more players after
a big game, a star player will be interviewed by
the media and they and right off the bat, they'd say,
I want to thank my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
for all that he has done. The reporters do not
know how to handle that. Yeah, yeah, they get visibly uncomfortable.
They are uncomfortable in dealing with that. But the half

(58:10):
limbs if they cut them off. Man, ooh, and I
think a few have.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
And take some inventory here. Remember how much heat that
Tim Tebow got for his open expression of faith, and
the people just ripped him for it. They es and
you'd go to one knee or whatever you do when
you swore a touchdown. That's changed for the better. I
think there's more expressions of faith going on now than
back then.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
So all right, when we come back, Kurt Schlicktter, Will Jonas,
we'll talk about the victory option and the conflict with
their on that's coming up.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Stay with us one way or the other way. Yeah,
it doesn't. It's not contingent on anyone playing ball. They
can if they'd like, but it's either way, we're about done.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Yeah, well, it sounds like they pretty well have blasted
him to us. Smithereens there's very little left. I don't
know if you saw the video the President posted last
night on truth Social of one of those those two
thousand pound bombs.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Buster bunker bunker buster bombs, two thousand pounds bombs.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Yeah, and it hit a missile site and what a fireworks.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
It's called that missile city. And I can tell you
from what I was watching, there was there had either
a big fireworks truck just got hit because they're with
the bottom bottle rockets flying up in the air. Those
were missiles because you saw things flying up in the
air after it got hit.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Well, Pete Haig said today the Secretary of War give
an update on where things stand and had kind of
a warning for not only the Iranians, but are NATO allies.

Speaker 16 (59:30):
A lot has been laid bare, a lot has been
shown to the world about what our allies would be
willing to do for the United States of America when
we undertake an effort of this scope.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
On behalf of the free world.

Speaker 16 (59:42):
These are missiles that don't even range the United States
of America. They range allies and others. And yet when
we ask for additional assistance or simple access basing overflight,
we get questions or roadblocks or hesitations. And the President's
pointing out, you don't have much of an an alliance
if you have countries that are not willing to stand

(01:00:03):
with you when you need them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Yeah, I think the President is very aggravated by the
NATO allies like Spain, like the UK for not helping
the United States and this endefferent and they really.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
The most, they're the ones that benefit the most from
what's happening here cleaning this mess up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Their fertilizer comes through the straight or horror moves, their
fuel comes through the straight of horror moves. But are
they doing anything to protect.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
And by the way that they are long range missiles
which they've now shown they have or hades can reach
you cowards who don't want to be part of getting
that straight opened again. And who's supposed to who's supposed
to protect you? I guess that's just the United States
with no even without even a thank you. Yeah, Spain's
back to not letting us use their airspace.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
That's true. I heard that again. Here we go. Well,
there are some people, as we know, Greg, who want
to end the war. There are people who want to
win the war. There is a difference between them. Right Well,
joining us on our news ligne to talk about that
is our good friend Kurt Flickter. He's a senior columnist
with town Hall writing about the victory option in the
WARLD right now, Kurt is always great to have you

(01:01:09):
on the show. Let's talk about this. You right that,
this was a really good time to hit Iran. Why
do you say that, Kurt?

Speaker 9 (01:01:16):
Because Iran was weak, because after last June we had
between US and Israel, we devastated their air defenses, knocked
down their electronic warfare capabilities, and generally made them vulnerable.
Then they attacked their own people. They killed thirty thousand
of them. They were hard work rebuilding their missile and

(01:01:37):
drone and rocket forces, which, while.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
We're potent, were not up to what they could be.

Speaker 9 (01:01:46):
You know, the best time to fight is when your
enemy is weak, when you have an advantage. I mean,
this isn't about, you know, a duel where you're trying
to make it even only an idiot fights Baron. It
had to happen now, and it's happening, and the results
have been magnificent. We need to stick to it until

(01:02:07):
victory is complete.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
You know, Kurt, here's what I see from you. I'm
watching your posts on X and I think that that
you because you've been a soldier, You've been a lot
of things. You wear a lot of hats, you're an
interesting guy, and you're also a thought leader. But you
know what it means to be in combat, and you
know what those objectives are. You know, you coined the
phrase Fredocons for me, the Fredo of the Godfather, These

(01:02:30):
Fredocons that are just afraid, they'd make decisions out of fear.
You see that in your comparison of people that want
to end the war in Iran versus those that want
to win the war. But then I look over across
the pond and I see a bunch of Freidocons. I
see it. I see a bunch of you know, just
spineless UK, you name it, France. None of them want
to be NATO allies with us right now? Which is worse?

(01:02:54):
Is it the Is it the narrative in the United
States from the Fredocons that just want to end a
war in Iran? Or is it the is it our
our so called allies that are just leaving us at
the at the you know, at the altar, on a
on a canal, that they benefit from being clear more
than we do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Well you you you you.

Speaker 9 (01:03:13):
Called me a combat veteran, and I got to say,
I was so far in the rear you had to
fed ex bullets.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
But you were there, but me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Perfect.

Speaker 9 (01:03:25):
I had perfect attendance in the back. I was the
guy with the coffee. But you know, the real story
is the complete change in the world order, and that
has to do with Americans back here, the kind of
globalists who are still invested in the old order where

(01:03:45):
America pretty much carries all the weight and does all
the work, but is also.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Restraint from pursuing its interest.

Speaker 9 (01:03:52):
And that was also the goal of our allies. Our
allies didn't want to be able to fight. You know,
I'll see some uh leftist on Twitter yelling about us
and our allies and how.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
We're being mean to the allies.

Speaker 9 (01:04:05):
And my question is, name the ship and it's class
that could be deployed to conduct combat operations within seven
days and integrate into the American and Golf Council information
technology nets.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
And the answer, of course is not.

Speaker 9 (01:04:25):
They have not prepared themselves for twenty first century combat.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Because they thought America was going to do it.

Speaker 9 (01:04:32):
And you have Donald Trump here redefining everything that's happened since.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
World War Two.

Speaker 9 (01:04:38):
We are ending a lot of the lasting problems that
we've had, like Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua get ended, and
of course Iran.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
These are problems that have gone on.

Speaker 9 (01:04:50):
Gosh I was a freshman in high school when the
hostage has got taken in Irana. So this is what's
happening here is not just a fight against one regime.
This is part and parcel of a complete rethinking of
how the United States operates in the world order. And

(01:05:10):
you're getting resistance to it because the old way was
frankly advantageous to our adversaries and our you know, fair
weather friends.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Yeah, yeah, Kurt, What do you think we should be
looking for as this conflict continues, as for signs that
Okay is almost done, He's pretty well done what he
wanted to do. What are things that you're looking for
in this conflict to say, Okay, we're close to calling
it done in victory and declare victory.

Speaker 9 (01:05:41):
Well, look, I think it's some of It's gonna be
hard to see. We're not looking at the target lists.
We don't know how far they've gone down them. Remember,
we've had fifty years to plan this fight. Every target
is on a list somewhere. Every target's prioritized, particularly with
AI and assigned out to an American or Israeli aircraft,

(01:06:05):
missile whatever. And they're just going down the list. This
is you know, this is like running up, running up
the score. You're saying this is the fantasy of air
planners for the last two and a half ten of ratios.

Speaker 5 (01:06:20):
But we're not.

Speaker 9 (01:06:21):
But we're not really seeing that, and we're not getting
great reporting either from our garbage regime media. You yes,
they will repeat what the Pentagon has said, and that's
important stuff. That is important stuff, but you're not really
seeing what targets have been done, how much is left,

(01:06:46):
what is left of the Iranian regime, what's their command
and control? Are they able to communicate, what are they
doing in the electronic war.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
And cyber spheres.

Speaker 9 (01:06:56):
We're really not understanding how bad they're hit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:07:01):
My gut and all the facts tell me it's very badly,
but we don't really know, so I'm not sure if
that's a good indicator. One indicator might be using forces
to take carg Island, which puts a stranglehold on the enemy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
And its ability.

Speaker 9 (01:07:21):
To sell oil, which is its lifeblow. I mean, that's
a huge deal right there. But other than that, I
think one day they're just going to nails. Hey, you know,
we have this general and he's going to be taken over.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Well, that's what I was gonna say. I mean, I
think we're down to like middle management. In terms of
that regime, I think there's an accountant somewhere who's been
told that he's getting called up, you know, and he's
terrified that he's the next guy up. But so regime change,
I don't know if what that's defined as or I
think you've gone so far down the ladder now in
terms of what leadership still breathes air that there might

(01:07:57):
be a regime change even within the existing one. Now,
the things that Marco Rubio has been clear about from
day one that he is not veered from his no nukes,
no missiles that can reach our assets or places that
like the long range missiles like the ones they shot.
So no missiles and no sponsored terrorism. Those are the
three things. Do you have to have a regime change
completely or just new people on the job to take

(01:08:19):
those three threats and put them back three decades or
four decades.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
I would love to see regime change.

Speaker 9 (01:08:26):
Yeah, I would frankly think that was the greatest thing
on earth. I think regime change is exactly what we're after. Now,
let's get to our clou Switz war is simply politics
with other means. We're looking for a political result from
this war.

Speaker 7 (01:08:47):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:08:47):
It's funny because the Trump administration has, and I think
quite cleverly framed it all in military achievements. Destroy their navy,
destroy their missile capability, destroy their nuke program. But all
of those are downstream from the political change, which is
a new government in Iran, So that to me is

(01:09:08):
really the answer, although they are although that's a harder result.
So I think it's kind of clever that they're putting
it in terms of purely military objectives rather than the
real objective of war, which is a political one, a

(01:09:30):
new regime that will do all the things we want done.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Kurtz Schlichter joining us on our Any Hour Newsmaker line
talking about the victory option, and he's just basically saying, look,
we've got to have victory. That's what it's going to take.
And the President Pete Hake Saith earlier today that the
next twenty four to forty eight hours are critical. Now
we're getting worried. This isn't confirmed as if yet, but
it's coming from the White House, so I think it

(01:09:56):
would be that the President may in fact address the
nation tomorrow night, and I wonder if he's going to
announce we're we're cutting back, or we've achieved our objectives
and we're going to move on. I'm not sure. We
have no idea what he's going to say.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Yet nine am Eastern, seven nine pm Eastern, seven pm
our time. So the conclusion of our program, we.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Hope to carry it. We have all the details and stuff. Yet, Well,
we'll have to wait and see what happens with it.
But apparently I think Greg that he's gonna basically say
we're close to being done. I do too, he indicated
that earlier today.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Yeah, yeah, I think that they've they've they have hit
so many targets. I think that whatever you want to
call the status of that country, it's it's not going
to be able to with whatever regime or whoever's in charge.
I don't know that they're going to be able to
do much.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Yeah, all right, more coming up the Rod and Greg
Show with you on this Tuesday and Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine kN rs. The Bizarro Story of
the Day, one in which mister Hughes didn't want to
bring this up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Oh yeah, I didn't want to bring this in. This
one's so gross, it's so uncomfortable. I am so uncomfortable.
I don't even know why you want to talk about it.
It's so uncomfortable because it is just weird. Oh it's
this is this. I don't even know why we have
to mention it. It's just one of those terrible it's
gonna get awkward, folks. I'm just going to say, you're ready.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
This is a weird one, all right. According to a
report in Today's UK Daily Mail, which by the way,
is pretty credible in their reporting, right, it is, you know,
Byron Gnome Christyman. I think it's Brian. I'm sorry, Brian Nome,
Christy Nome's husband. Yes, former you know, Department of Homeland

(01:11:40):
Security secretary. She was also the governor. She is also
the South Dakota South Dakota. South Dakota is now at
the center of a deeply troubling scandal that's putting a
mildly involving alleged secret online activity, financial transactions with adult entertainers,
and behavior that national secure what the experts say could

(01:12:01):
have opened the door to blackmail. Okay. The report claims
that Brian Noome engaged in online interactions with individuals in
Nish adult communities, including exchanging messages sending money and sharing
photos of himself in revealing as tire, meaning he liked

(01:12:24):
to dress up as a woman.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Yes, and then he had on Well I'm looking at
Daily Mail and I can't see what I'm seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
But yeah, I don't even know if you want to
describe it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Actually, well, it's just it's it's to make him look busty,
and he's not like Arnold Schwarzenegger, left and weights and
benchmin had a male chest. No, it's not no, wow,
yeah no. And then you know they show a lot
of pictures of the two of them together. He looked
they look like a sweet couple. You know, they look
like they're a good couple. And you know there's been

(01:12:57):
talk of her in that Corey Lewd Lewandowski, you know,
Christy Nauman Lewandowski having a kind of a fling. Well,
and you'd think, what's up with that because everyone seems
to know about it. Well, this guy looks like as
normal as a day is long until you see him
in these other photos and then you're going, well, maybe
that's why she was looking for love all the wrong places.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
The Daily Mayo claims it reviewed hundreds of messages exchanged
between mister gnome and multiple individuals over a period of
more than a year, overlapping with the time his wife
was leading the Department of Homeland Security, so apparently this
was going on. It included Greg explicit conversations with online performers,

(01:13:40):
financial transactions totally at least twenty five thousand dollars through
platforms like PayPal and cash, photos of himself, improvocative attireant, Oh,
it's so horrible, and admissions about his personal life and
marriage weird.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Yeah, I don't get it, I really don't. I just
want a bunch of degenerates running around the spy. I
just think it's so gross. It's so gross, and I
can't even I don't even understand. I just and you know,
it's not Dakota. I mean, she prides herself and being
a bit of a cowgirl. You know, she's rough from
the ranch. She's like can she gets mad? I saw
a picture of that me she get married in like

(01:14:22):
a white cowboy hat. And but this is very off brand.
This is very off brand. The cross dressing husband is
off brand. That's not what you expect. If you're into Dakotas,
you're not expecting a man cross dressing and putting on
Dolly Parton gear, you know, for the camera. It's just
it's just gross, gross, gross. I'm just feel weird, awkward.

(01:14:46):
Now we all feel awkward? Are you happy now?

Speaker 5 (01:14:47):
Ron?

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
You all feel awkward.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
It is awkward to inform our listeners what is going
on in their world.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
I could have gone my whole life without this little
turn of events.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
By the way, one other thing, Tiger Woods made a
statement today he's going to step away from things and seecret.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
You know, I was really looking forward to him being
the Master captain of Now I want to see him
the capture of the Ryder Cup. I think he's due,
isn't he to be the captain of that team one
of these days?

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
I don't know how that works well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
I just anyway, I love him at the Masters, obviously,
and I was hoping you could get his health together.
But you know, John Daly, who's supposed to be the
party animal of pro golfers, you know, a bit crazy,
a little overweight, drinks thirty diet cokes a day, amongst
other things, has never had a has never had a
dui and never never once, And how Tiger's at too,

(01:15:37):
And there's been more multiple occasions where he probably should
have had one but didn't get one. But John Daly's
got a cleaner record than Tiger, and I don't I
don't think I saw that coming.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
All right, more coming up here on the Rod and
Greg show in Utah's talk radio one A five nine
kN ars.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
The news keeps rolling on. I have I don't know
how I missed it, but that forced, you know, you
for service moving here to Utah. I some reason I
thought it was another one moving to Denver. I thought
some of the western you know, the wilder like BLM
and things were moving to Denver. I didn't know that
we got the good news that we were going to
have the Forest Service.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
I thought the BLM moved and then they were told
they had to go back.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
That wasn't Yeah, that was because that was by Biden.
Biden first. In fact, I the worry is if if
you get a Democrat in next they just jerk all
these guys back to DC and the back to the swamp.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
But doesn't it make sense if you think about it, Greg,
with the Bureau of Land Management and the US Forest
Service and really the National Park Service, shouldn't they be
out west.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
One hundred percent your your whole employee pool comes from
people that have grown up and usually and have been
in states like ours that are just by majority or
federally owned lands like a forest Service. I mean, yeah,
people do not understand that sixty five percent of Utah
is federally owned and controlled land, and it's sixty five
instead of ninety because most of the Wasatch Front is

(01:16:59):
not federal land, so we don't notice it until you
get off the walls that front. Then everything becomes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
And when you think you put the agg Department maybe
in the Midwest.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know that kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Now you're talking crazy talk, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Like the Department of Culture down in Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Put agriculture in Nebraska, Iowa put in or Chicago Chicago.
I would I wouldn't. I wouldn't do anyone to go
to Chicago.

Speaker 15 (01:17:25):
Never.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Now Heaven used to be a great city at the road.
I wouldn't get anyone. I would never. I don't hate
anyone enough to send them to Chicago. It's really a
terrible town.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Used to be nice.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
It used to be nice. It's crime ridden.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Yeah, it's you know, yeah a seedback. The Conservative Political
Action Committee held their big, big conference last weekend. As
all each there was a straw poll taken about who
they like as a presidential candidate in twenty twenty eight. Yep,
no surprise. JD Vance won.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
He did. Yeah, And you know what, Mark Ruby has
been surging a little bit and popularity.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Yeah, I mean it's strong. He came in pretty strong.
But what about JD Vance?

Speaker 11 (01:18:05):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
And will he be the GOP nominee when Donald Trump
steps aside in twenty twenty eight. Joining us on our
Newsmaker line to talk about this is our good friend
Jim Antel. He is a Washington Examiner politics editor. Jim,
thanks for joining us tonight. All right, let's talk about JD. Vans.
You say you should never underestimate JD. Vans. Why do
you say that, Jim?

Speaker 5 (01:18:26):
Well, one, I think if JD.

Speaker 15 (01:18:28):
Vance wants to run, historically, the sitting vice president has
enjoyed a lot of advantages and at least getting his
parties nomination. Now that the history on winning the general
election is a little different, but they usually can get
the nomination of their party, and so he starts with
that advantage right there. He's also pulling much better than

(01:18:51):
anyone else who presumably could enter the field, and the
main person who could run against him, Secretary of State
Marker Rooms, has repeatedly suggested that he's not interested in
doing so, that he would support jd Vance. That I
could always change, but until it does, you know, Vance
has to be seen as having a leg up. And finally,

(01:19:15):
I would say that the Minnesota fraud portfolio and some
of the other issues that jd Vance is working on
might be better issues for him to be associated with than, say,
being the Iran wars are in him taking a sort
of lower profile on that issue while still being supportive
of the president might not be such a bad thing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
You know, you bring up an interesting point. He's got
a young family, a very young family to be in
the position he's in right now, and there's some other
family pressures that a good father husband ought to be considering.
What about you know, his trajectory in life has been unbelievable.
Is there a scenario where he doesn't he doesn't want
to spend the time it's a group, Obviously, it's going
to be a grueling Is there are there family consideration

(01:20:00):
that you think might chill or quiet his aspirations to
be the nominee in the next election.

Speaker 15 (01:20:08):
Well, obviously, family considerations are very important. Though the baby
is going to be born this summer and he's going
to spend the next few years as vice president with
four young children. But yeah, family considerations are extremely important,
and his wife's desires are going to figure pretty prominently

(01:20:30):
into this. So if she wants him at home, if
she doesn't want him to run, there's ample historic president
I mean, Colin pol certainly would have been a competitive
presidential candidate in nineteen ninety six. His wife didn't want
him to run, he didn't run. So it's also possible
that if Vance does not view twenty twenty eight as

(01:20:52):
a great general election year for Republicans, and we're pretty
far off from being able to make that determination, But
if he makes that judgment, he could say, well, do
I want to put my family through all of this
if I'm not going to end up in the White House,
And that's certainly a possibility. The counter point, clearly would.

Speaker 7 (01:21:11):
Be that is jd Vance ever going to have a
better chance to be president than he might be might
have in twenty twenty eight, And that's the open.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Question here, I think, Jim, so you're telling us, like
most married when it would be wise to listen to
our wives, and that's what jd Vance is doing. Is
that what you're saying, Jim.

Speaker 15 (01:21:33):
Boch Advance has the most important vote here. Yeah, well,
let me ask you about the important vote is Donald Trump's?

Speaker 10 (01:21:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:21:40):
If Donald Trump prefers JD. Vance as his successor, then
I think it would be very very difficult to beat
Van's bar ag a scandal or something like that. If
you pick somebody else, then then that that changes things
quite a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Jim, what about the Maga crowd? Donald Trump very popular,
still magazine to love the guy. Do they love jd
Vance as well?

Speaker 7 (01:22:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:22:04):
I think so. I think Vance has a lot of
support with the Magra crowd. I also think he is
seen as a sort of polished might not be the
right word for it, but he's certainly a more cerebral
and more you know. The reporter Mark Halprin says that
jd Vance is fluent and mag of that speaks it

(01:22:26):
with a suburban accent, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Think that's right.

Speaker 15 (01:22:29):
So in most polls of grassroots Republicans show that he's
really popular with them, So he does start with a
real leg up there. I think.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
So. I think he and Mark Rubio have a genuine friendship.
I think there's a friendship, at least that's how it's
been reported. And you kind of see it when they're
in meetings together. And I think you already said this
that Mark Rubio has really deferred to JD. Vance. But
you do see and you also noticed that Trump is
really gravitated to Marco Rubio right now. And if you

(01:23:01):
look at the job, I mean, we always see these
memes of every single thing that happens in the world,
you'll see that Marco Rubio in the White House, that
where he's sitting on the couch and he's going to
be the next whatever it is in my case, the
next center fielder for the pirates. But but anyway, there
he is exhibiting a level of leadership. I think Marco
Rubio is that that could really separate himself from everyone else.

(01:23:23):
If President Trump were to say I would like to
see him run, what's the dynamic there is that something
that would be uh that JD Vance would be hostile to.
I mean, is there is there a good way that
that would come together or is that not not a consideration?

Speaker 15 (01:23:39):
Well, Trump is too obviously is a major consideration. So
if if he leans on Vance or if he endorses Rubio, uh,
you know, leans on Vans after run our backs Rubio explicitly,
then yeah, that that could really shake up the race. Uh,
but Rubio would have to show some desire to run.

(01:24:03):
I think the political conditions would have to be such
that it would actually Rubio would have a better shot
than Vance, which you know, that depends a lot on
what the political conditions start to look like in twenty
twenty seven and beyond. And there is the dynamic in

(01:24:24):
some ways their rivals, but they are also friends and allies,
you know, So there are they have some differences, and
they're both ambitious men, but they get along pretty well,
and they've worked together very well to implement Trump's agenda.
And it's still ultimately Trump is the star of the

(01:24:46):
show here, he's the president. But you know, Trump is
also going to have a lot to say of who
he tries to pass the Batonso. So it's a really complex,
uh set of circumstances. But I think for now dances
in the driver's seat.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
I think he's in the driver's seat. But there's a
long way to go till twenty twenty eight, So we'll
we'll have to see.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
As I said, I think Vance and Rubio are very
good friends. I don't see them running against each other
in any kind of contentious race. So I think, look,
I love our bench. I mean, I'm still I still
like Condants, still an incredible governor that that state has
changed on his watch, like you can't believe for the good.

Speaker 11 (01:25:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
I mean, he's actually out there today telling the legislature
to impeach some of these really rotten judges in his state.
I'd love to see some of that here.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
So, and he's approved the name of the what is
a Palm Springs Airport to the Donald J.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Trump International So you know, I just I like, I
like the GOP's bench. We got a good bench.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Yeah, so we do. We do? All right, some final thoughts,
some stories that you may not have heard about today,
but you'll hear him on this show coming up next
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one on five nine. Okay,
and arrest fifteen days away from Texas day.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Greg, fifteen days from my extension.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
You extended as much as you can't.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Do, Why do today which you can put off till tomorrow?

Speaker 14 (01:26:13):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Well, I get this. Where did I see this today?
The the Yeah, the average IRS tax refund is up
eleven percent compared to last year.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
You know, I'm being a big dummy because I hear
that there's there's some great tax relief relief coming from
these returns. There's better deductions tax tax on overtime. It's
there's an article in Politico that it has gone wild.
Twenty three percent of all returns received right now are
are taking full advantage of the no tax on overtime,
which I think is great. I think, I mean anyway,

(01:26:48):
so there's there's a lot of other advantages that the
big beautiful bill passed that I think people are going
to be very happy when it comes time to do
their taxes.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
I bring this story up knowing full well that you're
about to rip into me for my age.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
I'll be nice, really, Yes, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
Michigan lawmakers are now reviving up a debate with a
new proposal that could put drivers seventy five years and
older back in the testing lane. Whether they like it
or not.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
I totally agree with that. I've had to follow you
to events before. You're not even seventy five. So but yeah,
but I drive faster than you. How you drive like
you drive like a crazy man.

Speaker 11 (01:27:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
See, everybody that drives faster than me is a lunatic.
Everybody that drives slower than me.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Is a lunatic.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
As a grandma, Okay, they are a grandma or grandpa,
they drive slower. If they drive faster, they're a lunatic. However,
fast I'm driving, that's the speed you should drive.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
The bill would require drivers seventy five years and older
to pass vision written and road test every four years.
You know, I kind of like that. I'm not opposed
to that idea.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
No, you, I think it's an opportunity for you to
brag today. You just go in there and you just
you'd want arm it you you you slouched down and
you put your arm over the top of the wheel
and you just move around. You act like it's no
big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Sure, sure, two years too, two years may in fact
A probably could go along with that after.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
I think you see it as an opportunity to show
off because you you do believe you have quite the
driving prowess.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Oh it's not. The Palm Springs International Airport is the
Palm Beach National Airport.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Palm Beach National airport.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
That the sentence is now about to sign a bill
renaming the airport after Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
There, Yeah, I love it. I love it. I think
that's uh. You know, we tried, we tried to name
a road after Donald Trump here when I was in
the legislature. But my good friend from Kane County, Mike Noel,
made it like one hundred miles long. And it's just
the cost alone of all the signs and all the
it just made it a bit prohibited.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
Killed it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
You really got too excited. We could have just taken
a nice road. But he told you he snaked this
thing all over all over the state. You should see
the map. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
Every where you look was a Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
Yeah, and he put it. He put it everywhere across.
I just did I know some.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Roadsides that may be coming down soon that you place elsewhere?

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
You know that's Caesars Fialard. And they don't know what
to do with it. They just they keep staring at it.
Maybe it's a Donald J. Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
They should we call the mayor and asker we get it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
They got to have a suggestion box.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Let's go there, all right? That does it for us? Tonight?
Head up shoulders back. May God bless you and your family.
That's great country of ours. We'll talk to you tomorrow
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