The Rod and Greg Show: Controversial UVU Commencement Speaker; Mirrors in Space??

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Everybody is wondering to day, Greg, I played pickle ball
this morning. I got some gas this morning, and I
had people come up to me asking me, do you
think he'll do it?

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:09):
You know, people are wondering what is Donald Trump going
to do? And I go back before the show, I
mentioned this, uh Selena Zito, who we've had on the
show and probably knows how to read Trump better than
any journalist out there in my opinion, right, I mean,
she nailed it back when he was running during it
for his first term in the White House. She said
one time, take him seriously but not literally. Yes, So

(00:32):
when he said today, I'm going to wipe out civil
civilization dies today, civilization does today, don't you know, take
them seriously, but don't take them literally. And I think
you know, the only person who knows what he's going
to do is Donald Trump himself. For us to try
and guess what he's going to do with iron tonight
is it's worthless because nobody knows what Donald Trump is

(00:55):
going to do except for Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Well, I will tell you that that he is.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
I'm sure sure he is dead serious about the things
that he will end this And if you're so close.
I mean, you got to ask yourself at some point,
why would you work with the current regime if they're
that close in your mind to being wiped out? And
then let them let people just you know, like primitively.
I don't care, caveman, Neanderthal style, I don't care what
make that, make them just reconstitute their culture, whatever it

(01:23):
may be, take them out. But they're negotiating. Pakistan appears
to be the mediator between the two. But if it
at any point seems like Trump's threats are not real,
if they just seem like they're hyperbole or he's just overstating,
then those negotiations won't go successfully. So I think he
has to absolutely mean what he says, and I think

(01:44):
he does.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
I do too.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
I agree with you as a matter of fact, Greg.
The news we're getting out of Washington apparently the president
has received a proposal from Pakistan to delay the attack
on the scheduled attack tonight on the bridges and the
power plan there and Iran. The White House has responded
and they've confirmed he has received the proposal from Pakistan,

(02:07):
but no decision has been made yet as to what
he's going to do.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
One of the you had mentioned before the show began
that one of the areas that Iran is its regime
is looking for is potential payment to navigate the Strait
of Hormos. I'm nowhere near the negotiations, but I'm here
to say from the chief seats that's a non starter.
I would think that's that isn't even worth talking about,

(02:30):
because that can't be the case. They need money because
they've lost all of what they've built up for forty years,
and they want to make more bombs, they want to
make more missiles, they want to have more intercontinental ballistic
ability with their rockets.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
We don't.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
We don't want any of that. So don't be given
them more money. No money for them, No money.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
So we're going to be talking about that today. We've
got an interview on that scheduled here in a few
minutes to get you the latest on that. Now, another
story that you will only hear, my guess is, Greg,
you will only here on this radio show is what
is going on down at UVU.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah? What?

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Because I have been scanning the media here locally to
see if anyone is picking up on this story, and
so far, nobody is picking up on this story except
for the Rod and Gregg show.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
That's it only us.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
I mean on act you'll see some smart people that
are that have picked up this and they've been posting
about it. But you know, I would say, I, look,
I went to Utah Valley University. Okay, I was a
student there. I even I even authored the editorial piche
you did the world accordity. I've read some of your editorials.
They were very good. Thank you, thanks for for a young.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yes for a young buck.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
But I will tell you this, if you've had this
horrific assassination of this national figure and the collective morning
of a country over the loss of Charlie Kirk on
your campus, I would say that the next year's commencement,
one of the boxes that you would check is they
didn't celebrate or repeat the hatred towards Charlie Kirk as

(03:59):
a commencement speed. I just think that's good form. I
don't even think you have to be political to say that.
That is a bit awkward wrong to do. But it
turns out that UVU, for whatever reason. Now again to
your point, CASL does not report this. Nobody's nobody's leading
with this fact. She is like what they call her
America's teacher or whatever they say. She has all these
government educators, government educators, she's got a podcast, she's got

(04:21):
some books.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
She just by the way, Sharon McMahon, if you're wondering,
you know, we're talking about that.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, So in her bio and how exciting it is
she's going to be the commencement speaker. They say they
talk about everything about her, butt maybe the most awkward
and deal killing aspects of her and that is that
she said, much like the ironically and horribly like the Assassin,
that he was a purveyor of hate and that he

(04:46):
uh you know, was it was a negative impact on
this country. And she even said that I don't I
hate that Charlie Kirk was murdered. I hate more what
the idea that that caused it. And she's when she's
says that, she's saying what he was sharing on campus
was what provoked his death, almost as if it's his

(05:07):
own fault because he said things she didn't agree with.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Well, I want to play this audio sound bite that
was on Instagram. Now this is Sharon McMahon. That's the
person who will be the commencement speaker at UVU. I
imagine their graduation ceremonies a couple of weeks. I would
think maybe not even that far away. But listen to
what she said about Charlie Kirk and what his organization
was trying to do in America. Let's to what she
had to say.

Speaker 6 (05:29):
We are never going to hate our enemy out of
the situation we are in. Lovely your neighbor, as yourself,
also includes your enemies. That is a message many people did.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Not want to hear.

Speaker 6 (05:42):
People were like, this, ain't it. He didn't love me,
He didn't love me, He worked against my community. You know,
like they have a list of things that they have
as critiques of their perception of Charlie Kirk, and they
feel justified in They feel very justified in that stance.

(06:03):
The idea that we can somehow hate our enemy out
of this situation is one that has never been born
out either in any religious teaching of any stripe or historically.
the situation we are in now.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
I want to ask you, Greg, and you know, with
with Charlie Kirk's assassination, there are a lot of clips
out there. I wasn't aware of what Charlie Kirk had
been talking about over the design college campuses. But we
were all educated. We kind of got up to speed
as to what Charlie Kirk was trying to do. Did
you ever hear him as students came and asked him
questions say I hate you now or I hate this organization?

(06:47):
He never I never heard him say that. And for
her to accuse him of hating his way out of
this situation and his organization is blatantly false.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
And it shows that she never took the time to
actually observe or listen to the things that the discussions
that occurred. Because I was, like you, and like many
people I think that are not young college age kids,
knew I knew of Charlie Kirk. I knew that I
knew the positions. I'd see some clips here and there.
After this horrific assassination occurred, I started to dive deeper
in and and why it impacted my kids far more

(07:20):
than it like. It really impacted them in a a
in a significant way, even my kids that are not political,
but it did impact them if you disagreed with with
his premise or what he was saying. Because he'd introduced
himself and he'd talked about things. He's talking about God,
heaven forbid. He talks about worship and and and you know,
a higher power.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
He talked about family, He talked about a lot of
different issues. If you disagree with them, you got to
come to the front of the line. There's a lot
of people that agree with them and ask him questions
about what to do, what they should do. But if
you were a college student and you wanted to disagree
with his point of view view, you got to come
to the front of the line. And I found those
exchanges to be respectful, not at least on Charlie Kirk's side.

(08:01):
He'd ask you a lot of questions. He's well read,
he knew what he was talking about. But he was
never hateful in that dialogue. And I think a lot
of if you see some of those videos, you'll see
that there's a connection. Even if he had a father
and a son, a liberal father a conservative son, and
he just said, regardless of how you feel about your politics,

(08:21):
you as father and son should love each other always,
and he was looking to do that. We never see
that version of who Charlie Kirk is, and you never
hear it in this commencement speaker to just broad brush
and say that that is who Charlie Kirk was, a
guy that tried to hate his way out of a situation.
I think that's someone that would should not be the

(08:44):
commencement speaker at U view of all places. I think
it's bad form generally, but specifically there. She even goes
on there's post of her saying people say they love
the Constitution until it says immigration officers need a warrant.
That's not accurate in terms of there's people with the
removal orders that they're talking about now. People love the
Constitution until it starts including people they don't like. Yeah,

(09:05):
what a broad brush, terrible thing to say, that's not
what people are arguing for.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Well, we're going to get into that. Mike Carey, who's
the chairman of the Salt Lake County Republican Party, he
knows about this story. He's going to join us and
we'll get your reaction. Because the day Tarlie kirkwoshow, we
had a lot of people who were there who were
expressing their surprise, their shock as to what happened. I
wonder what they're thinking now about this commencement speaker we'll
get into that as well. So a lot to get
to today. Great have you along for the ride. It

(09:30):
is the Rotting Greg Show on Talk Radio one O
five to nine kN ter s. But the White House
confirmed the President has received a proposal from Pakistan to
delay the attack on the power plans and the infrastructure
near Ron. They've just confirmed he's received it. No word
yet as to whether or not he's going to accept it,
but we'll keep you up to date on that. Of course,
the deadline is now just about a couple hours away,

(09:53):
so we'll see what happens. Only President knows what he's
going to do.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
And I and if they're trying to play break when
shipp and think he's not serious, they'll make a mistake
because I think he is.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
But we'll see.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Let's talk more about this. Joining us on our Newsmaker
line around now is j T. Young. JT is a
contributor to The Blade. He's also the author of the
recent book Unprecedented Assault, How Big Government unleashed America's socialist Left. JT.
How are you and welcome back to the Roden Greg Show.
Thanks for joining us, JT.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
It's a pleasure to be back. With both of you.
Jane for having me.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
JT. You wrote a great article about the America the
left's obliviousness to Iran's obvious terrorism and I was watching
Martha McCallum earlier on Fox News today. Ro Con the
California congressman, was on with her and she listed the
terrorism attacks and the death is a result of Iran
over the years, and she said, what would you do?

(10:47):
And he comes thanks says well, I think we should
just have a diplomatic settlement with Iran, and I just
started laughing. They don't get it on the left, do they. JT.

Speaker 5 (10:56):
No, they don't, and I think I think in a
lot of respect they don't want to. I think in
some regards they are able to, and they feed together
in a number of ways. But just as you said,
I mean the terrorism too. It's not just against the US,
though there are more than forty incidents over the last

(11:19):
forty seven years against US civilians and military personnel. And
it's not just against Israel. It's against the whole world.
It's against the whole region, it's against the neighboring countries there,
and first and foremost, if you were really concerned about it,
it's against the Iranian people. I mean, they just murdered

(11:40):
thirty thousand of them in the latest round of protests there.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
You know you're so right.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
I mean, I've seen clips where people were protesting against
the action taken in Iran, and there was an exchange
between an Iranian woman that lived in the United States
in one of these cities where this protest was taking place,
and she said, how dare you stick up for this regime?
I've lived under it, I've been threatened my life, my
family's been threatened or killed by How can you how
can you feel good about this? And the person's response is,

(12:07):
I can't convince you of anything. You don't understand why
I'm doing this. And if you look at some of
the protesters and the groups that they represent, there are
the types of people that the Iranian regime would throw
off of roofs if they got their hands on them.
My question is, are they that ignorant or are they
just looking for chaos and destruction? And they know full
well that they are defending people that are indefensible and

(12:29):
would harm them if given a chance, but they just
want the chaos.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
I think it's a great question, and it's almost inseparable.
There's the two are so wound together. You know, there's
the old Middle East phrase that the enemy of my
enemy is my friend. So there's a certain aspect to that.
I mean, the left is just populated with the you know,

(12:53):
the group of the antis, and you could just go
down the whole group. They're anti West, there's anti Semitism,
there's anti Americanism, there's anti Trump, all of them, you know,
united together in that. So I think, you know, to
your point, they can't allow themselves to see it, and

(13:14):
the people that they are the most invisible to them
are the Iranian people themselves. Again, thirty thousand people at
least were killed in the latest round of protests, and
there have been protests against this deocracy for years, going
back to the Green movement in two thousand and nine,

(13:35):
the twenty nineteen uprisings over gas prices, there the protests
over the woman who was killed in police custody because
she wasn't veiled properly, and then just the latest round
of protests. So the Iranian people have been doing this
for a long time.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
J T.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
You one part of the world that has certainly seen
it's fair share of attacks. Of course, is Europe as well.
Yet Europe is reluctant to be with Donald Trump and
take care of this. Are you surprised at all by that? JT?

Speaker 5 (14:10):
On one hand you want to say yes. On another hand, no,
they are so feckless. And then and they're foreign policy,
and I think they're also so supine because they know
they have a large number of foreign nationals living within
their countries. They know that drone attacks are so much

(14:35):
easier to launch, and if you've already got personnel inside
the countries and these can be released from a truck,
they're not like a missile attack. Second or additionally, I
think they know how weak they're militaries are. They have
been living off the US for decades in NATO, and

(14:57):
I don't know that they can project the force. So Lastly,
Europe doesn't get that much oil from the straits of Foremostes,
and so I think they're very willing to just sit
back for all of these reasons and let someone else
take care of this problem.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
JT is always great insight. Appreciate a few minutes of
your time, and I know your book is doing very
very well and continued success with it. Thanks JT.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
Thank you all right, JQ JT.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Young, author a columnist at town Hall. All Right, more
coming up, It is the Rotten Gregg Show with you
on this Tuesday afternoon on Utah's talk radio one O
five nine can Teras. The deadline he had with Iran
is coming up in just about an hour and a half,
so we'll keep Rye on it and see what's going
to take place. I brought our kid.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Whoops, I'm susying Greg Hughes being censored.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
No, I just didn't. I just didn't have.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Your bows shadow bana me.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Now, No, I just didn't have your button for crying
out loud. Well last night, I think you were doing
the same thing. Greg. I'm just checking social media, and
all of a sudden, I see all these comments coming
in about a speaker who's been selected to be the
commencement speaker at Utah Valley University, a place where unfortunately, tragically,
Charlie Kirk was assassinated just last September. And this is

(16:11):
a person who apparently does not like Charlie Kirk. And
we're going who on earth made that choice?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah? I mean it really is, especially the way this
commencement speaker. It's never noted that this is a known critic.
If this is someone and it's a prolific speaker. She
has a podcast, she's a best selling author for New
York Times, she's considered a voice for education in America,
and she just describes Charlie Kirk, even after his assassination,

(16:38):
as someone who is a purveyor of hate. And you
got to wonder if you haven't bought some boxes to
check on, who would be a commencement speaker, someone who
would celebrate, who would actually repeat the mantra of the
assassin of Charlie Kirk on your campus? Would probably be
want to be wouldn't be on the list. It wouldn't

(16:59):
be on a long list, let alone a short list,
let alone be the official commencement speaker.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Well, somehow Sharon McMahon did make it on the list.
And joining us in studio to talk more about this
is Mike Carry, Mike of Courts, chairman of the Salt
Lake County Republican Party. Mike, how are you and welcome
to the Rodd and Gregg Show.

Speaker 7 (17:14):
Pretty good, guys, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
When you heard this, Mike, what would your reaction to it?

Speaker 7 (17:18):
It's just completely tone off, It's shocking.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Really.

Speaker 8 (17:21):
I mean, we were talking about this before we came on,
but you know, most most of the time, when you
have a commencement speaker, it's someone who's an alumni, a
successful alumnia at the university, or you know, someone on
a successful alumni has a connection to someone who that
would be a great speaker, someone that's, you know, not
a motivational speaker, but someone that's getting these kids excited
from life.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, you know, graduating.

Speaker 7 (17:42):
College it's one of the biggest days of their life.

Speaker 8 (17:45):
And you bring in a social media influencer, you know
who like you guys said, you know, said some pretty
pretty terrible things after Charlie was murdered and really victim
blamed them.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
So so you know, you're right, you get alumni, you
get someone what who do you think? I mean, you
you run in political circles, You're talking to a lot
of people. Do you is there a person that would
have made a decision like this or is this a
collective just again, can't read the room a blind spot
or is there or do you even think, Mike, that

(18:16):
this was on purpose, that this that this critical voice
was specifically someone that they wanted to have on campus.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 8 (18:23):
I wouldn't go so far as to say it was
on purpose, but you know, it does shock me that
they wouldn't look into this a little deeper before they
made this selection. I looked at actually the minutes from
the trustee meetings, and it looks like it was just
recently presented to the board back at the end of March.
Someone obviously was working those channels to find a speaker
for months prior to that. That's typically the process, and

(18:45):
it usually gets presented to the Board of trustees for
information and sometimes some schools for ratification. But you know,
it's just shocking to me that they could miss something
this big so recent.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, I want to ask you, it's so obvious, Mike,
can I you know who made that call that you
were saying, did not Where was somebody checking the background
and what she has said, because I mean she We've
got a SoundBite with her saying you can't hate your
way out of this situation, obviously mentioning to Charlie Kirk

(19:17):
that he was a hater. I don't know about you,
but from what I've heard from Charlie Kirk and right
about Charlie Kirk, he's willing to confront issues. But I
never heard him accusing anybody or using hate as part
of his presentation, do you, Mike.

Speaker 8 (19:31):
No, I mean when you when you say millions of
people feel they were harmed by his rhetoric, I mean,
that's just insane.

Speaker 7 (19:37):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (19:39):
If we've if we've lost the ability to have civil debate,
the civil discourse and the respect and the after effect
or the end result of that is a bullet to
the neck.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
And that's just I.

Speaker 8 (19:50):
Don't know what world we're living in, and for someone
to kind of victim shame that or victim blame that
away with you know, well not.

Speaker 7 (19:57):
Not that he had a covenant. That doesn't it doesn't
he didn't deserve it, but there's a butt in that sense.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's for sure.

Speaker 7 (20:04):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (20:04):
And so whoever at the administration, I think they just
missed this or they looked past it and said, oh, no,
it's not a big deal. She's a very popular social
media influencer. I don't really care. Okay, you got to
do your homework, You got to do your due diligence.
And for the people that.

Speaker 7 (20:17):
I know that have kids at UVU, I don't know
anybody graduating this year.

Speaker 8 (20:20):
It's offensive. It's offensive to anybody. It's offensive to me
as a UTAH. And frankly that we would allow this
to have, you know, allow this person to have a
platform so close to you know, the event.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, Like I've always been told anything that has said
before the word but don't believe it. Yeah, you know,
so when someone says everything, yeah, everyone says something before it,
don't believe it.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Well, here's I just want to get specific because I
think that it's one thing to point that she had
critical things to say. This is something she posted on
what September twelfth, which would have been two days after
it these and this is from her post. These aren't
sound bites taken out of context, and she puts, you know,
she has some things that Charlie kurr because some opinions

(21:01):
that he has. And this is the part Mike where
millions this is from her post. Millions of people feel
that they were harmed and the murder that was horrific
and should have should never have happened, does not magically
erase what was said or done. Now, I challenge anyone
because my kids were far more negatively impacted and by

(21:22):
this and greed. They were so, and I knew Charlie Kirk.
I think I keep it in touch with these things,
but I didn't understand how how broad this debate had
become on college campuses. And as I looked at it
after the fact, if you disagree with them, he came
to the front of the line. There was a disagreement
of opinions, but they were respectful, at least from Charlie

(21:43):
Kirk's as he would engage and he liked to engage
in debate on these things, but he always talked about family.
He talked about I just find this characterization that millions
of people were harmed by Charlie Kirk to be so
outlandish and so hyperbolic that it does shock me that
if you're a parent and you're paying tuition at this school,

(22:03):
which I used to but my kids since graduated, I
don't know that you feel great about if they can't
get their head around why this doesn't work for a
commencement speaker, what's that say about that state institutional higher learning?

Speaker 7 (22:17):
Well, well, two things there. One is you would think
that we're.

Speaker 8 (22:21):
Coming out of the phase of words or violence.

Speaker 7 (22:25):
Yes, okay, we heard that.

Speaker 8 (22:26):
For gosh, the better part of the last ten years,
which is very juvenile, very immature take on the world. Okay,
words are never violent. Okay, And to your point, Greg,
Charlie Kirk would engage the biggest hater on the on
planet or microphone and didn't shy away from anything, and
he also respected their ability to disagree with him. So

(22:49):
but again, you know, of the laundry list of people
that they could have invited, this wouldn't be in the
top fifty.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Like, I'm not a big fan of canceling her because
I don't want to sound like that can't, but I
think there should be an effort made to let the
university know people are not happy with this decision. Would
you agree?

Speaker 8 (23:07):
I agree, and I've I've made this suggestion to a
couple of people that have reached out and asked. Because
I I serve on a board of trustees, have for
ten years of my alma mater, I know how these
things work, or I have insight into it. The best
thing that people could do is respectfully reach out to
the trustees and say, listen, I have a concern. Here's
what she said, bring the receipts. And there's still plenty
of time to find someone else. Yeah, you're gonna You're

(23:29):
gonna tick off some people in the process, but you
know how many. I just I think this is just
a bridge too far, you know, for for for Utah
in general, not just EVU, but for Utah in general,
to bring someone's who said these things and you know,
seven eight months after he was murdered on their campus.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
I think the takeaway that I think is the most
damning of this decision is if you take the comments
from Sharon McMahon and you take the comments of Tyler Robinson,
the accused assassin, they're very, very similar in terms of
what they about his He spreads too much hate, had
some hatred, cannot be negotiated with. These are sentiments she
shares post his assassination that the assassin or the accused

(24:10):
assassin shared as well.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Seems to be a deal killer to me.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Mike, thanks for coming in. We'll see where this all goes.
Thank you, Thanks guys, Thanks you, thanks for coming in.
All right, joining us on the Rod and Greg Show.
Mike carry of course. Mike is chairman of the salt
Ley County Republican Party. All Right, We've got some developing
news on the situation with Iron. We'll share that with you.
And just a woman coming up on Utah's talk radio
one oh five nine, Canter s what is he going
to do at six pm tonight? We just got word

(24:36):
Abby mentioned in our headlines a moment ago that on
his truth social post, he says they have agreed to
a two week seasfire. Basically they are very far along,
he indicates in a definitive agreement. So we'll have to
see if the Iranians hold up their endo the bargain,
to be honest, Greg, and what no mention and like
this is just developing now about what's going on with

(24:57):
the straight of Horror moves. We don't know that as
of yet either. But that was a sticking point, I
know for the president.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah, and I thought the idea that they wanted to
charge it like the turnpike, you know, I want to
give you a chargey to come in and out.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
That was offensive.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, But do you think the Iranians that you think
that that regime will tell all the people that they
stuck around, may have had to make a human chain
around it. Do you think they're going to let them
know or just make them sit there for two weeks, make.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Them sit there for two weeks.

Speaker 9 (25:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Well, someone was saying today only one percent of the
Iranian population have access to the internet, So the media
in that country is controlled by the regime. Yes, so
are they getting the straight story about what's going on?
There are ways to get information into there, but how
much do they really know about what's going on?

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Hey, will you just stand here around here just for
a photo op? We don't know, we don't know what's
else going to happen. You know, this is just to
show support. There's no they don't even mention the bombing
to them. They're just saying, hey, we just want a
nice photo op with them. I'll bet you anything. They
didn't even tell the truth.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, yeah, and if you do that, we'll give you
a loaf of bread.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
I know, I wonder how, I wonder how long?

Speaker 1 (26:01):
I wonder what they're paying people.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
I see this video of these people all lined up there.
There's long line too, and I just thought to myself,
how did you first get them to do it?

Speaker 2 (26:10):
In second? You know, how long are you gonna leave
them there?

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah? Well, the late breaking news tonight, we do have
a double sided seats fire. Both Iran and the United
States have agreed to spend bombing of Iran for the
next two weeks as they negotiate on a settlement, the
President indicating on true social they are very far along
in a definitive agreement. Not sure what that means. So
I go back to this, Greg, Can you even trust

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the Iranians?

Speaker 7 (26:34):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, if you can remember, they said, oh, we don't
have we don't have ballistic missiles. Yeah, we don't have
a long range.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Go more than two thousand kilometers. Now that you have
them that go fourth. Yeah, well you didn't ask about
our four thousand yeah. Yeah, no, No, it's it's the
wrong Reagan trust. But verify How do you begin to
verify whatever it is they agree to. I guess we
just wait to see.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, we do, all right. When we come back, we
want to get your reaction to what's going on with
the men'sman speaker at UVU. There's good that, Mike, and yep,
we'll talk about that coming up. Stay with us.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Abby Bonnell is our news director. She's she's not gonna
if if the bombs start following at six o'clock, she's
gonna want to carry this with some you know, thoroughness, accuracy.
And we're saying, so, what do we think is going
to happen? And you know it was We all believe
that the President is as serious as a heart attack,
that he absolutely intends to do it apps in any
kind of movement made and so it was real. But

(27:31):
his statement that's just come out that you announced right
before the end, you know, before the top of the hour,
is that there's a there's there's a commitment to to
move forward in ways that are agreeable to the President
of the United States, and I believe there's some agreements
in place for this next two weeks that are going
to allow the Straight of Horror Moves to be opened.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Well, he says in this Truth Social that Iran has
agreed to the complete, immediate and safe opening of the
Straight of Horror Moves. So that would indicate that's one
of the provisions Greg that the President wanted. He wanted, yes,
the seat fire, we want a regime change in Iran,
and we want the Straight of Horror Moves opened. And
I think the lads they've got all of that.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
They can pocket the Straight of hor Moves being open,
which you know, which is the economic impact that has
been felt, you know in that region. Certainly we are
an energy independent, but the commodity price, the world price
of oil, we've seen over one hundred dollars a barrel.
Maybe you get that straight open and you see commerce occurring.
Than that, we start to see a relief on the
gas prices.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, yeah, Well, we'll keep our abby digging into this story.
We'll have more in that coming up at the bottom
of the hour, but we want to pick up a
pickup on the conversation we had last hour, Greg about
the commencement speaker at you of you, you v you,
not you of you, you v you. I saw this
post today and it said, will you v us graduates,

(28:51):
many of whom witnessed Charlie Kirk's assassination, get a message
of healing or hate? Great question, and the story goes on.
The post was on to say that America is so
called government. Teacher Sharon McMahon should know the power of words.
Phrases like you can hate or I hated can send
the wrong message to young people. Both she and Charlie

(29:13):
Kirk's killer have used hate rhetoric, something that they likely
contributed to Kirk's assassination. So the question that we have
today and this we just learned about this last night
as social media started boiling up on this, Why on
earth with the university put a woman like this as
a commencement speaker? Just what a five nine months after
Charlie Kirk was assassinated on that very same campus.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
And and by the way, you don't get a pass on.
I hate people who say they hate. Okay, that's you hate.
I mean, that's what you're saying, is that you're and
I think that the callousness where she started to chime in,
you know, forty eight hours after he was assassinated. It's
one thing if you were you know, part of this
maybe is the left always hated Charlie Kirk. If you're

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a leftist and you complained that he was, and you
want to say that this open debate and letting people
that disagree with you ask their questions and having that
open form was somehow anathema to you, like that is
just not where what should happen in higher ed the
diversity of thought. Heaven forbid. That was one thing, but
after he's been assassinated for that very effort to then

(30:19):
chirp in after that, that his hatred doesn't magically go
away just because he was he was killed. The hatred
he spewed was what caused his I mean the thing
she said after that's the part that is should take
you off a commencement list for that very university. That
is just and I again, I just don't know how

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that is a poor form, bad form without regard to
political consideration. I don't know how you have a commencement
speaker who had anything to say negative about an individual
assassinated on your campus, killed on your campus, a be
assassinated with a national, maybe world audience watching this happen.
I mean, think about what happened in Kent State with

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the National Guard killing students. I mean they lived under
that cloud for a long long time. Now I think
UVU has escaped some of that dark cloud. But this
doesn't help.

Speaker 7 (31:08):
No.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
I think this absolutely goes the wrong direction with that
campus and what in the world happened there and what
they would allow to be discussed or who they would
allow to speak to the students just a year, not
even a year after this has happened.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Well, this post went on to say, Greg, and I
think the writer of this is spot on. UVU's graduating
class deserves a speaker better suited to the weight of
what they experienced on their campus. A speaker who focuses
on higher values than hate, and let me we want
to play this SoundBite again. We found this on social media.
This is Sharon McMahon. Now she's the speaker. She's called

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America's government teacher. I don't know why or educate her,
but listen to what she said about Charlie Kirk and
his organization.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
the situation. We are in love your neighbor as yourself,
also includes your enemies. That is a message many people
did not want to hear. People are like, this, ain't it.
He didn't love me, He didn't love me, He worked
against my community. You know, like they have a list

(32:13):
of things that they have as critiques of their perception
of Charlie Kirk, and they feel justified in hating. They
feel very justified in that stance. The idea that we
can somehow hate our enemy out of this situation is

(32:33):
one that has never been born out either in any
religious teaching of any stripe or historically. We are never
going to hate our enemy out of the situation we
are in.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
You know, I'm trying to figure out, what does she
mean hate our way out of this situation. So is
she saying that Charlie Kirk went around campus and formatted
hate and that was the way out of the situation
that we're dealing with in this country today. It's not
what she's saying.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
If you look at the other things that she said,
that is that would be consistent, That would be a
consistent sentiment that she thought that Charlie Kirk and TPUSA
was they were trying to fement hate, to uh, to
rid themselves of liberal mindsets, liberal beliefs, and that is
nothing that they that they did would would support that.

(33:21):
They were actually trying to have, you know, open minds
and have a debate. And again I'll say what I
said at beginning of the show. I thought one of
the one of the things that I saw again post
his horrific assassination was the father and son, the father
being liberal, the son being conservative, both going to that event,
if you disagree, come to the front of the line.
And it was him the son saying, I don't get

(33:42):
along with my father because he's so leftist. And you
you know, you talk and I agree with you, but
he doesn't agree. And the father's like, yeah, I don't
agree with my son. And the only the only point
that Charlie wanted to make at that point was your
father and son and you should love each other with
everything else is these are details. But what should the
genesis right here should be that you two are father
and son and that you love each other without regard

(34:03):
to what your political beliefs are. Tell me how in
the world that is hating your way out of anything?

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (34:08):
And that isn't just anecdotal. That was a message, a
very spiritual message that he sent into college campuses and
that he shared at college campuses. I find the whole
narrative that he was some hatemonger to be just to
be flat out false.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
I just don't.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
And it's and it's sad to hear someone say, you know,
he was trying to hate his way out of it.
They just frame a completely false narrative and then have
to and then hold him to it when she's the
one doing it.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, And what did Charlie Kirk tell tell young people
on every campus in this country as he spoke? He
said two or three things. He said, First of all,
get an education, get married, have children, have a family,
honor Sunday. I mean, what, what a hateful message? That's
just terrible. How could he say something?

Speaker 5 (34:53):
Now?

Speaker 1 (34:53):
We had Mike carry in just short time ago. We
appreciate it, Yeah, we appreciate Mike coming in, but he
wrote about the fact, you know, time to raise Holy Hannah.
I think with the administration down there a UVU and say,
what on earth are you doing? You know this? I
mean nine months ago, this man was assassinated on our
campus and you're inviting someone who hated what he talked about.

(35:17):
Because he shot straight with people and like you have
pointed out great people that disagreed with him, he wanted
them to the front of the line because he wanted
to have an honest, frank discussion, share his opinion, and
hear this opinion and give his facts. Is that hate?

Speaker 5 (35:31):
No?

Speaker 3 (35:32):
And if you listen to some of the tone of
the people that would get in line, they were very hostile.
Many of them are incredibly hostile. And I thought he
handled it very well. He didn't get he wasn't excitable.
I think he's so well read and researched. I think
he could just rattle off facts, historical accounts in a
way that I thought again, I think it lifted the understanding.

(35:53):
Even if you didn't agree with him, you could at
least hear perspectives you might not have heard before. Heaven forbid,
on a campus campus. And I think people, I think
the reason my kids that are young adults were so
impacted by this is because what I didn't know at
the time before this happened, is that he was reaching
young minds in a way that we have not seen.
We have not seen this before. I had not seen it.

(36:15):
It was under the radar for me. For I knew him.
I thought I understood what he was doing. I didn't
have a clue. And and I think that that is
what's such a shame is that you know, I don't
know the age of this commencement speaker, but a bunch
of old heads trying to tell you who Charlie Kirk is.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
They don't. We don't know, we didn't know.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Ye don't do it, plaice. Now we want your reaction.
But before we go to the break, we've already had
a couple of talkback lines come in. But I why
don't you let you hear well? One of our listeners
said about this speaker and Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 10 (36:45):
Charlie Kirk did not hate anyone.

Speaker 7 (36:47):
He loved everyone he talked to.

Speaker 10 (36:48):
In fact, he loved him so much he went to
the college campuses over and over and over again to
debate what Some of the folks that asked him questions
didn't like what he was having to say. If they
asked himself about LGBTQ said that was not part of
my religious beliefs and the Bible does not believe in
it either.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
They didn't like to hear that. No, they did not
like to hear that. Now, when we come back, Greg,
I remember that day we took calls. We could have
taken three hours of calls from people who were there
or had a son or a daughter at that event,
and how shocked they were. I want to know from
our listeners today who may have been there as well
or hearing this story now, about if they're if they're
equally shocked by what the university is doing, just to

(37:31):
know what a short nine ten months after Charlie Kirk
was assassinated, if they're saddened by what the university is
doing eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero
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(37:53):
The Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh
five nine knrs. If you're just joining us now, we're
talking about the selection of a commencement speaker down at UVU.
Her name is Sharon McMahon. She has called America's government educator.
The university claims she is nonpartisan, but if you look
at some of the comments she's made since Charlie Kirk's assassination,

(38:17):
you may have a different opinion. So we're getting your
reaction to this. Greg and I are both surprised the
social media. A lot of comments on there today about
Sharon McMahon and why the university would invite her to
come to the very campus that Charlie Kirk was assassinated in,
and she's been a critic of Charlie Kirk. Let's go
to the phone see what you have to say tonight
eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Let's go to Misty, who's from Sandy. Misty, Welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 11 (38:44):
Hi, thank you.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
What's your take on all this?

Speaker 11 (38:47):
Thanks for having me on. Well, listen, I'm a mom
of a son who is graduating from UVU this year.
I was there with my son with some of my
sisters and my niece's the day Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

Speaker 5 (39:05):
And I will tell you, for this.

Speaker 11 (39:07):
School, my son has gone through four years of biting
his tongue. You are not allowed to be a conservative
at UVU. I don't care what anyone says. It has
been a long four years. And now for them to
invite Sharon mc mann, it's almost feels like they're like
spitting in our face. Like I it is so abhorrent
to me. And I'll tell you what. I have two

(39:30):
sons that are that we just I mean, I've paid,
they're they're supposed to start UVU this summer and I
will they will not go there. That is too much
for me, Like they have crossed the line if they
have Sharon mc mann speak at this commencement. To me,
it's a slap and a spit in the face of
so many students that truly just loved a good guy

(39:52):
and looked up to him and for his you know,
he was kind and good and and I feel like
it's a slap in our face and they're not They
will not be getting my money at all.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Misty, let me ask you one question. You say your
son has almost had to live a double life. He
didn't want to be a conservative on the UVU campus.
He had almost to act a liberal. Can you give
us an example or what he why he felt that way?

Speaker 11 (40:14):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, because every time he has tried
to talk or tried a lot of the teachers won't
won't stand for it. They get upset, they open it
up to the class discussion. And then my son it's
hard to hold your own and he's a tough kid,
but it is hard to remain a conservative and go

(40:35):
to UVU.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Wow, all right, And I agree with mister. I mean
I paid.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Look, I had a child that went and graduated from UVU.
I was a student there, I was the editorial editor
I World. According to Greg, it was a great column,
great time, but a different time for sure. But I
feel attachment to that university, I really do. And what's
happening right now is an absolute deal killer. It is
it's it is like it is almost like they're being

(41:02):
taunted to have someone who has on the record what
they have said in the most callous way, in my
opinion about Charlie Kirk after he was killed on that campus.
Seems to be a category you could find a commencement
speaker that didn't have that baggage.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I'm just saying, hey.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
You're listed as one of the notable graduates from there.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
To the Sali County chair, my GOP chair, Mike Carrie,
asked Rock for a list of people. You know, maybe
they can't find someone, because if I'm on a list
of notables, then that that place is it's the bottom
of the barrel.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yet in trouble.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
All right, we've got some calls coming in. We need
to take a break. We answer callers to hang on
or give us a call back, because we'd love to
hear your comments right here. On the Tuesday afternoon edition
of The Rotten Gregg Show and Talk Radio one oh
five nine kN ar s today. Her name is Sharon McMahon,
who will be the commencement speaker at UVU. Now, why
are we raising questions about this? Well, if you look
at her post and what she has been talking about,

(41:56):
she is not a fan of Charlie Kirk. As a
matter of fact, she's quote in one post as saying, hey,
cannot work your way out of a situation, obviously referring
to Charlie Kirk that he was filled with hate. We
know that's not the case, but uve you decided to
have her be the commencement speaker, and we're getting your
reaction to it. We know a lot of you, a
lot of our listeners were there to hear Charlie back

(42:17):
on September tenth. Are you saddened and shocked by what
the university is doing for its commencement speaker this year?

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yeah, So let's go to our phones listen get some
take from our listeners. Let's go to Jennifer, who's from Riverton. Jennifer,
thank you for holding and welcome to the Rodd and
Greg Show.

Speaker 12 (42:35):
Hello. So, I just mainly wanted to make a comment.
I was listening to the program and I was listening
to it thinking why is Erica Kirk not the commencement speaker.
She has stepped into the Lloyd that Charlie Kirk has left.

Speaker 11 (42:52):
And she's a leader.

Speaker 12 (42:55):
She's taking over for him. She's going national on all
different kinds of programs for those graduates who have went
through this year, why is there any question that she's
not the commencement speaker at their graduation with this.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Year, Jennifer. That is an absolutely fantastic suggestion, And I
wonder if anybody even thought.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Of that, you know what, they'd say, well, she's too political.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
But yeah, for someone there, and they're portraying this Yaron
McMahon as non partis.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah, she won't be political, but she weighed in absolutely
on political issues going after him. And I think what
would transcend and be a very powerful commencement speech would
be her a speech as she's already expressed, of forgiveness,
of of where you know what, the role that the
Lord plays in her life, and how that has continued

(43:45):
to sustain her. She could give a commencement speech to
every student in there, whether they liked Charlie Kirk's politics
or subscribed to what he said, but if you heard
from the widow a speech about the life you have
in front of you and the way to not get
bogged down in resentment and hate, and from her, of
all people, I think that would be a speech anyone

(44:08):
would remember for the rest of their lives.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Yeah, you know what is so hypocritical about Sharon McMahon. Here,
she's out there Greg saying, we need to understand the situation,
we need to understand what's going on in the world,
be open to ideas, be open to discussions. And what
does she do attack Charlie Kirk for being honest and
frank with people, his opinion on all kinds of views,
never afraid not to confront. I confronts too strong a word,

(44:31):
but have an interaction with somebody who may disagree with him.
It wasn't radiant him back down for that, and I
guess she's saying he should have.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
And my frustration is it's one thing to have all
these opinions about Charlie Kirk, or even if you think
you're being objective hate. I can dislike and accuse anyone
of hate. But I'm being objective because I'm left of
center and I have that space to do it. You
right of center, you can't accuse anyone of anything. The
part I have the biggest problem with is after he's
been killed, for her to make point, to make the

(45:00):
point that the hate that he propagated or he femined
doesn't magically go away just because he was killed for
her to decide to continue that narrative and say things
that the assassin, the accused assassin has said where it
mirrors each other.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
You can't.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Are you telling me that there isn't someone that can
talk about education and history and perspective and any of
these topics that I'm assuming she's not going to touch
this Charlie Kirk topic in her commencement speech. But the
fact is, there's no one that that university could choose
to speak on those issues that had not attacked him

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and what he did after he had been assassinated.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
There's no one.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
I mean, that's the part that blows my mind. And
if you remember before leading up to that event, how
many students and faculty members were just out of their minds.
They were just beside themselves that he would even be
allowed on campus to dare share a worldview that they
didn't subscribe to. It was heresy, it was wrong, it
was hete it was all those things. I think we

(46:04):
got a pretty solid case on this show today of
wife that that commencement speaker has no business being the
commencement speaker. But you're not going to see the same pushback.
There's no faculty of that school that's going to say
this is poor form, This is not of all the
people we could choose, This isn't the person. Less than
a year later, there's not going to be students lined
up fighting and screaming about that.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
You're not going to see.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Just by Charlie Kirk appearing there, you saw more pushback
than you're going to see from someone who, in my opinion, deserves,
does not deserve to have the lime light, the spotlight
to give these kids their big springboard from university and
their degree into life. This is not the voice or
the person to do it, especially on that campus, given

(46:47):
what's happened. But you aren't going to have anyone. There
will be no faculties that'll make that draw connection there.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
I think they're too afraid because we did have a
group faculty members will post Charlie being there. They did
Scenari very much, so other teachers probably support him down there.
But I think they're too afraid.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
You might be giving too much of a benefit of doubt.
I have my wonders. I think Higher Ed has just
become a place that just radicalizes our kids or does
their level best to try. I just it's I get
the commentary from my kids who have graduated, and it's
not very much like mister. Yeah, yeah, I'll call her

(47:24):
our listener. Her observations are very similar to mine.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
More your calls coming up. Eighty eight eight five seven
eight zero one zero on your cell phone, d I'll
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a comment on our talk back line. Let's go to
our talkback line and see what one of our listeners
have to say about this.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah, there is no way this is a coincidence.

Speaker 13 (47:43):
If you remember, after Charlie was assassinated, all the liberals
took to social media celebrating his death. I look at
this as this is you've used a way of officially
celebrating his death. Usually commencement speakers have some connection to
the university. To my knowledge, she has no connection other
than that she is glorifying Charlie's death. Therefore, they're having

(48:04):
her on to help them celebrate it officially unofficially, and
it's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
It is disgusting, and on the same campus where he
was assassinated. Yeah, you just have to wonder about that,
don't you.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
All right, more your calls, more your talkback comments coming up.
It is the Rod and Gregg Show on Utah's Talk
radio one oh five nine k n ars.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Talking about the commencement speaker for Utah Valley University's upcoming graduation,
getting your take. This is a person that, after the
assassination of Charlie Kirk on that campus, on that UVU
campus this last September, had some very critical things to
say about Charlie Kirk as well as mer some of
the criticisms that the accused assassin shared about his opinion

(48:47):
about Charlie Kirk as well. How is that the commencement speakers? Well,
we're asking our listeners to share with us well how
they feel, and I think this is an important discussion
to have.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, her name is Sharon McMahon and she actually said
was she you know, no one would like the assassination?
She said, his words of hate will live on basically, Yeah,
talking about Charlie Kirk. All right, let's go to the
phones eight eight eight five seven o eight zero one
zero We go to Lehigh and hear what Holly has
to say tonight on the Roden Greg Show. Hi Holly,
thanks so much for joining us.

Speaker 14 (49:19):
Hey guys, how are you.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
We're doing well.

Speaker 14 (49:21):
Thank you, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
You're welcome.

Speaker 14 (49:24):
Hey, I am a graduate of UVU.

Speaker 12 (49:27):
Thank you.

Speaker 14 (49:27):
I'm a graduate of UVU just a few years. But
I was also a witness to that murder and assassination.
It was absolutely awful and traumatic. You know, we're really
good at complaining, as Utahan's. But how about we do something.
We get Erica kirkinvolved, have her actually speak about this.
If she cannot be the commencement speaker, speak about it,

(49:50):
Let's get some petitions out there. Let's actually not have
this woman be the commencement speaker. If we can do
anything about it.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Well, there are a couple of you could do, Holly,
or here's what I would suggest. I don't even know
if Charlie's organization is even aware of this, so I
would reach out. I think they're based in Phoenix, I believe,
are they not reach out to them and just send
them the stories on this. I'll let her know and
then I think, you, you know, people, you know you've
got to let the university know that you aren't happy
with this, and you need to write to the administration,

(50:19):
the president, the board of trustees and let them know
you are very unhappy with this, people have got to
be heard. And you're right. Sometimes we hear in Utah
sit on our haunches. We need to get up and
act on this one.

Speaker 14 (50:32):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well if we could do it as
a group, you know, more people talking and better is
better than just one. But hey, I'm so glad you're
talking about this because it's so important.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
It is important, you know, Holly, and I agree, And
I believe in the collective wisdom of our listeners.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
I really do.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
I think that the discussions that we have every day
are are We have some of the greatest listeners of
all and I think that when we hear this, we
to be involved. What I would say to Holly, and
this is what I'm thinking, just even for myself. I
think that the obligation is for this university and it's
trustees to explain to the people that were at present

(51:13):
at that assassination and saw it with their own eyes,
who were students or parents, explain to them why this
is okay instead of explaining to that And I think
there should be a lot of information the receipts, as
the kids call it, of the statements that were made
after he was assassinated by this person and show it
and make it available to them, and say, walk me through,

(51:36):
walk us through why this person would be the one
to speak to these students as they graduate and begin
life this person at this time, with what that person
had to say about Charlie Kirk. I want to know
how they talk their way through this. Because we can object,
We've got lots of reasons for objecting. I want to
know their reason why this is fine? This is why

(51:57):
are you even noticing? Why do you even care? You know,
if a liberal had been shot and killed there, and
you had a conservative commencement speaker that had after that
that shot, after that assassination, said anything close to what
this person had said about a liberal that was there
to speak.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
They wouldn't be in this year.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
They would there would never be a consideration, never, And
so have them walk I think they need that school
needs to walk us through how on earth this is
an appropriate speaker for these for this graduation.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Holly, you make a good point. And Greg and I
were talking about this earlier. If you weren't listening, we
may be the only media outlet in this state right
now that brings us up. I've seen it anywhere else. No,
let me tell you what, the only thing we've seen
is this glowing story about Sharon McMahon, who will be
speaking at UVU in the KSL dot com website. Not
one mention of her criticism and Charlie kirk is all

(52:49):
this glowing stuff and how she's so positive and wants
to bring people together.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Not one mentioned so positive bring people together.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
And I didn't rip on or disparage Charlie Kirk or
say that his hate didn't matically go away after he
was killed. Get everything that they that they said in
that report about it what a commencement speaker should say,
ought to say. But take that off the list of
things they have said. There has to be a better
list of people to speak.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Called balance reporting. They didn't get that in this omitted that, Yeah,
admitted that, oh mindor issue? Yeah right, big issue.

Speaker 7 (53:22):
All right.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
We'll continue to follow up on this as it gains momentum,
and we hope it will be will be there right
along the way and keep you up to day done.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
All right.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
When we come back, boy, big developments in the war
with Iran. The President made an important decision just a
short time ago. Abby will have the tails and we'll
talk more about it. Following her newscasts. That's all coming
up on the Rod and Gregg Show, and I'm rod.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Erkas I'm citizen Greg Hughes. You can put the podcast.
He really puts the show after it's done into a
podcast format so you can listen to an abbreviated show.
It doesn't have our good bumper music, but it's a
good show. And then you can make that the number
two on your pre set.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
There you go, and that one. What you do after that?
We don't care.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
After that, Casey, Case's top forty.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Other great iHeart radios we have. Yeah, you're you're a
real team player. Wow, we are getting well. I want
to mention this, Greg. We were talking, uh in the
last hour about the commencement speaker who will be speaking
at UVU. She is a Charlie kirk cater right, and

(54:26):
a lot of people are surprised that the university would
even go there. I want you to let you listen
to this one talk back comment because I think this
person hits the nail right on the head.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
Hey, Ronin, Greg, you wonder if the faculty for UVU
would have the courage to comment. How about a former
faculty I taught there as an adzeg faculty back when
it was Utah Valley Speak College, and I am disgusted

(54:56):
that they would bring in somebody like that for their commit.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for saying that,
and thank you for calling in the talkback Liab and
saying that, because you know, look, a lot of us
having been you know, alum, we've been students there, We've
sent our kids there. This is this is a tough
thing to see and and and not And I feel
the same as as our listener on the talk back line.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
It's it does.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
It disgusts me too, and I and I I don't
know how a rational adult can walk up walk me
through how this is just fine, and that I'm overreacting
and that I'm just too sensitive, that this is just
you know, we're just so lucky to have her to
even agree to speak to these kids. I want these students.
I want someone to walk me through that kind of nonsense.

(55:44):
I don't think he can with a straight things.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
You know this we were talking about this during one
of the breaks in the last hour.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
To me, this brings up a broader question. Utah is
considered for the most part of conservative state it may
be changing, but I think, you know, for the most part,
it's a conservative state. Why on earth in our state
colleges and universities, we do not have one institution of
higher leanear that you could describe as conservative in nature.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Yeah, here's the enemy of that. Do you know what
conservative in nature by today's standard would be what both
sides just being being common sense and letting both sides
give their best take or share their best take, and
having having that open debate. That would be almost I'd
be concerned because the left has no tolerance. If you

(56:30):
are anywhere outside their worldview, you suffer from a moral
or an intellectual failing.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
That is that is just the rules today.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
And you know, I just think that conservative would just
actually be the diversity of thought heaven forbid, or just
imagine that at a university. I tell you what I
put two kids through. I got one. It's there right
now about how it was higher ed Man, I am
getting very frustrated.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
So well. The big story of the day, of course,
if you caught Abby's newscast at the of the hour,
we have a ceasefire. The President announcing late this afternoon
that he has agreed to a two week ceasefire. If
Iran opens the straight of horror moves, it would last
for two weeks. Can we trust the Iranians?

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Well?

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Apparently the Iranian parliament what's left of it, has agreed
to the ceasefire, and Fox News is reporting tonight that
it was China that pressured Iran into accepting this two
weeks ceasefire with the United States. My question is, Greg,
can we trust the Iranians?

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Ah?

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Well, as soon as I hear that China and Iran
are like coming together with a plan, it makes that
ceasefire seem like wait a minute, that might those aren't
our best allies there are those might not be the
best mind on what to do next.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
I mean that we trust well.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Who would you trust more on a ceasfire plan on
this side? Donald Trump, Joe Biden, or Barack Obama without
a doubt, that's an easy one. Well, in preparation or
as people were preparing for this attack that the President
was scheduled to launch late this afternoon before news of
the ceasefire broke, you know, we saw video of Iran
actually having young people and women form human chains around

(58:11):
power plants and bridges. Let's hear more about that. Now
joining us on our Newsmaker line is Brady Cotton Knox.
He is a foreign affairs reporter with the Washington Examiner. Brady,
thank you very much. Tell us about these human chains
around power plans and bridges in Iran.

Speaker 15 (58:27):
Yeah, so, Iran has a long history of I should
see the Islamic Republic of Iran has a long history
of enlisting civilians and a kind of total war. You
first really saw us during the Iran Iraq War where
they extensively enlisted child soldiers. A lot of it has
to do with their kind of martyr complex and their
obsession with martyrdom that the state Sheeite ideology has. And

(58:51):
so you're seeing this in the ongoing war where after
they suffered blistering losses to their high command and to
the iro GC, they're now turning to children and sometimes
women to shore.

Speaker 9 (59:05):
Up their military capabilities.

Speaker 15 (59:08):
And with the what you're seeing with these human shields
around not only power plants, but also bridges where they
set up the call.

Speaker 9 (59:15):
And now you're starting to.

Speaker 15 (59:16):
See videos trickle out where there was one where there's
a line of people going along a bridge and they're
carrying along Iranian banner and so of course it's kind
of calling the US's bluff where they don't believe that
the US will attack civilians, and if they do that,
the political pushback within the United States will be strong
enough where.

Speaker 9 (59:37):
That will cripple political support for the war.

Speaker 15 (59:39):
And they realize that they can't militarily overcome the US,
So their only real way of victory is exerting enough
political and economic pressure to kind of force Trump to
call off to.

Speaker 9 (59:53):
Get away from the electoral impacts. I guess you would
say so.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
One of the some of the commentary that's emerged from
this call to have these infrastructure, these power stations that
are you know, aligned with children, women and children, is
that it's that violates international law in regards to countries
using human you know, citizens, civilians as human shields, and
it puts Iran in an even worse light internationally. I

(01:00:19):
I don't know if it does or not. You point
out that they've done this before, this is something they've
this is a stunt they pull. Does this that does
violating international law mean anything to the United States or
to Iran?

Speaker 15 (01:00:32):
Yeah, you know, of course it might give diplomatic, legitimate
or more diplomatic support for US efforts, especially in regards
to the Gulf countries. You can really see that especially
the UAE and Saudi Arabia are pushing for UH They
seem to be even contemplating joining the war, but they
seem to want a lot more diplomatic legitimacy if they

(01:00:55):
want any kind of information. So in that regard, if
the US can start to way maybe international opinion by saying, look,
Iran's violating all of these international norms, international laws, but
also the real impact that's being felt is economic with
the whole energy crisis now, so of course that.

Speaker 9 (01:01:14):
Is somewhat limited. So of course I don't.

Speaker 15 (01:01:17):
Think that Iran will be I don't think that's going
to impact their calculations at all. It might push some
countries to be more sympathetic to the US, but of
course I don't think that Iran is paying heed to
any kind of UN declarations.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Brady, do they are they looking for maybe a little
international sympathy by staging this stunt? I mean, is there
any out there that they would get?

Speaker 11 (01:01:43):
You know?

Speaker 15 (01:01:44):
I think there could be, because even as absurd as
it looks, you know, and of course we could say, well,
you know, we bombed but you know they were actively
using human shields. There is the problem where even if
you do strike that and you know that the other
side purposely arranged human child around there, it is still a.

Speaker 9 (01:02:02):
Lot of dead non combatants.

Speaker 15 (01:02:04):
So that kind of pr would be very bad for
the US and it would reduce a public support for
the war here. So even though it's everyone can transparently
see what's going on, I do think that that could
have somewhat of an impact given how little taste people
have for civilian casualties and big wars in the United States.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
You know, I saw an image today, but it might
now I'm second guessing whether that is a real time
image or one from the past where there were a
bunch of Iranians that people had created a chain around
human chain around a facility look like a nuclear facility.
But maybe that's from the past. I was under the
impression that the citizens, the civilians that of Iran are

(01:02:48):
a lot have tried to protest. There's been there's been
horrible massacres because of it. Are the people Are there
enough people that will do what this regime wants them
to do to create these kinds of human chains around
these facilities?

Speaker 15 (01:03:02):
Yeah, so the estimation, of course, public opinion is notoriously
hard to measure in Iran to how repressive the state is.
But from what I've heard, I keep hearing the figure
of twenty percent regime support within Iran, which seems, I'm
absurdly small, but keep in mind this is a nation
of about ninety million people, so twenty percent of ninety

(01:03:22):
million is still all.

Speaker 9 (01:03:23):
Quite a lot of people.

Speaker 15 (01:03:25):
And especially that the regime is backed against a wall,
that this is the most existential crisis they've been in,
they're really able to consolidate that support, and like that
support base is very fanatical. Of course, after Kamine was killed,
you saw a lot of supporters come out in Tehran.
The people who support the regime are usually more rural.

(01:03:47):
The most of the protesters were located in urban areas
or more middle class, more younger usually, but there is
so they can draw upon quite a lot of supporters,
even though it is quite the minority, but that minority
is particularly dedicated, motivated.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Brady not Bratty, is the foreign affairs reporter the Washington Examiner,
And if you've just joining us hearing the news tonight,
the United States and Iran have agreed to a two
week seasfire and it includes no more bombs being dropped,
no more exchanges of gunfire. Instead, you will have a

(01:04:24):
two week seats fire and apparently the Straight of Horror
Moves will be reopened to international traffic. We'll have to
wait and see.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
I don't know if you saw the markets, but oil
prices are coming down, or the commodity for a barrel
of oil has come way down since this, since today started,
and now it's coming down even more. So let's see
if there's some normalcy happening inside that at that straight
that happens that by itself is a victory.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yeah, right now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
China apparently played a role in this. Pakistan has been
kind of the broker between the two countries on this. Yep,
we'll have to see what happens, and more details will
come out this evening and tomorrow, and you'll hear it
right here on the Rotten Greg Sho More coming up
on Talk Radio one oh five nine k n r S.
There is yet another seems like daily crazy idea coming
out of California. It's not putting pigs in space, but

(01:05:12):
mirrors in space?

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Are they vain? Do they just want to be able
to see themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
I'm not. But apparently it is designed to control sunlight.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Oh, because man can do that. Yeah, that's something we need.
That's on the list. We can control sunlight with some mirrors.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Okay, yes, so okay, I want to talk for a
few minutes about our one of our favorite politicians, Eric Swalwell.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
This guy so speaking of pigs, this guy's slime.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
The story is this in the Gateway Pundon tonight. If
you were a donor to Eric Swalwell's goobernatorial campaign, can
you see him as governor of California? How would you
react to learning that your contributions were used to pay
his own wife to watch their children.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
You can't make it up. You can't make it up.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Yes, apparently the payments do not stand alone. They come
after years of similar childcare expenditures through his congressional campaign.
And basically what he did was take campaign money and
pay his wife. And I think the figure is anywhere
from two thousand to four thousand dollars a week for
crying out loud to h pay his wife child cares.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
So he's married or are they not?

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
This is you know this fang fang. Oh yeah, spy,
he really a wrench in the whole holy matrimony thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
So whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
And then he's got Now it sounds like he had
all these staffers signed NDA's non disclosure agreements and they're
breaking them to say this guy was really harassing us
or want to get to know us more than on
a staff level now that he's running for governor. So
I don't know how that marriage is doing, but maybe
he has to pay to get these kids watched because
his wife wants to wring his neck.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Oh you you're a big fan of John Fetterman.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Actually I'm coming around on the guy actually.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Speaks the truth, right, Yes, there's another Democrat out there
who's now speaking the truth. Ram Emmanuel, Yeah yeah. I
want you to hear this comment that he made about
what the Democratic Party is and what it has done.
It's not very complimentary. We lost the plot. Why because
the party got unanchored. Every one of our most successful

(01:07:37):
electoral presidents anchoring themselves in what I call middle class
values and values that are universal at least in this country,
ascribed to. We went from acceptance to advocacy. Big difference.

Speaker 16 (01:07:50):
And I'll just take one on that I shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
So here it goes.

Speaker 16 (01:07:53):
I remember fighting for Title nine, the reason we are
champions and women's sports in the Olympics, in soccer hockey,
Title nine. Why would you undercut the premise of Title
nine with the ability of trans men playing in women's sports.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
To me, it's insane, baffling.

Speaker 16 (01:08:10):
You are undermining one of the great accomplishments we as
a country, but also spearheaded by the Democratic Party, Title nine,
and we're undercutting it, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Unfortunately, he won't get anywhere near the Democratic Party nomination
in twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
No, when we see that the Democrats don't approve of
their own party, we normalis think they must think they're
crazy too.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
I think they don't approve of the party because it's
not crazy enough. Now, look, Democrats cannot win them in terms.
I don't think they have the ability to. They have
no case to make to the American people. But I
do think the Republicans can lose it, and they will
lose it. Not because people will vote for the Democrats,
but those that would otherwise vote for the Republicans won't
show up, they get out, The vote will be anemic.

(01:08:54):
People will not be excited about a Congress and a
majority in the House and Senate that can do nothing
but complain about Trump. I you know, they he is
the only guy breaking a sweat. He's the only guy
doing anything in that rotten town. And the Senate in
the House, they don't appear to be doing anything. They
can lose the midterms. Democrats cannot win it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Yeah, all right, Mark, coming up, final half hour. They're
rotting Greg Show with you on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine knrs. I'm rod Arkat, I'm citizen Greg Hughes.
All right, let's talk about this ita in California. Both
of us, both of us E Rate spotted this story
and said, you've got to look at this. But apparently
it is a plan to control sunlight and try that

(01:09:35):
by installing some fifty thousand mirrors in space.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
You know, this reminds me of Obama wanting to lower
the ocean levels. You want to lower it or whatever
you want to do. I mean, these these leftists think
that they can just tell mother nature what to do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Yeah, and it's going to work.

Speaker 7 (01:09:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Well, apparently there are so many in California who think
it will joining us on our newsmaker line to talk
more about that is Max Darashani. He is the senior
science advisor with the CO two coalition. Max, how are
you welcome to the Roden Greg Show. Thanks for joining us, Max, hi.

Speaker 17 (01:10:10):
Rod and Greg, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Tell us about this idea. What is in the works
or something that's being thought about right now with this project?

Speaker 17 (01:10:19):
Well, as I understand it, they want to put thousands
of mirrors onto satellites and put them in orbit and
readricts some light so that they can illuminate farms at
nighttime to help accelerate farm growth. So I guess that
certain farms around the world can grow food faster or

(01:10:41):
something to that effect.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
But it seems to be.

Speaker 17 (01:10:49):
Based on I guess an idea that there isn't enough
energy consumption or that there isn't there aren't other good
ways to improve farming productivity, And I don't really think
that that's well justified. I think that's the most valuable
things we can do to encourage more efficient farm production

(01:11:13):
is just to use more electricity, and that means using
more fossil fields, among other things like nuclear energy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
So here's the thing about environmentalists and their ideas. So
we hated cutting down trees, so we got rid of
milk cartons and paper bags, and we wanted everything to
be plastic because we didn't want to cut down trees.
That turned about to be about that turned out to
be a bad idea because it's not biodegradable and it
harms the ocean and our dolphins and choke on them
and everything else. Then we said, hey, we hate this

(01:11:42):
whole extraction industry of oil and gas, so we're going
to extract for rare minerals and create these battery electric vehicles,
of which we then find out that these batteries, what
do you do with them when they're dead, how do
you dispose of them safely? What happens when they catch
on fire? A lot of unanswered questions. You got solar farms,
that the plast it can't last very long, the amount
of plastic you need, you're using, again, an extraction industry,

(01:12:05):
oil and gas for those types of products. It doesn't
seem like the Left ever comes up with an idea
that's supposed to be good stewardship of the environment, that's
good stewardship of the environment. It always seems to be
a bad idea, if it plays out, even just for
a while.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
I would have to agree with that.

Speaker 17 (01:12:23):
It's typically there's a lie or truth that is enormously exaggerated,
and then another lie or an exaggerated truths is built
on that, and then so on and so forth. And
I would say that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Obviously, in the case of.

Speaker 17 (01:12:45):
Solar batteries and solar energy, I mean that is based
on the lie about man made CO two emissions being
the primary cause of global warming and climate change and
catastrophic global warming time a change. And I think if
you go into the history of why plastics have been banned,

(01:13:10):
there have been a number of yeah, misconceptions there as well.
The history of recycling and the push for recycling has
turned out to be a big boondoggle. It doesn't turns
out that recycling is most plastics cannot be recycled, and
then they're just sent to countries overseas where they're just

(01:13:32):
jump dumped in the oceans and seas and pollute the
waters there. And in any case, we could just simply
put them into into landhills and cover the land hills
so that the plastics un seep, and then the problem
would be solved. To discover it, and that's there's more

(01:13:54):
than enough area a land space to do that for
at least like hundreds of years global So.

Speaker 7 (01:14:00):
May this tends to be the case?

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Max? Who is behind this mirrored satellite idea?

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
People clearly, people that are vain. I want a lot
of mirrors.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
I have a funny feeling Elon Musk's name may be
involved in this. Am I right, would he look at
an idea like this?

Speaker 17 (01:14:20):
He did suggest something relatively recently that was similar, but
for the purpose of not enhancing farming or prolonging daylight
and dark at certain places, but rather for the purpose
of controlling the global temperature of the Earth to counterbalance
the alleged impact of man made CO two emissions on

(01:14:42):
the planet's global temperatures. So he thinks, he seems to
think that we can put a lot of I guess
starlink satellites or something related to starlink and redirect or
block or adjust the amount of solar energy that reaches
the Earth to counterbalance global warming allegedly caused by humans.

(01:15:04):
And so I wouldn't be surprised if he's influencing or
maybe he's invested in or this reflect orbital companies program.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Since we brought a blion musk.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
You also note in your article that this coincides with
SpaceX plan to launch a million satellites, and so there's
some concern there are there unintended consequences to a million
satellites that are that would orbit the Earth? Is there
anything legitimate about those concerns? Or is it a pretty
big space out there? And that's not a big number

(01:15:39):
if you look at it, you know, in it relatively.

Speaker 15 (01:15:45):
Well.

Speaker 17 (01:15:46):
To me, it seems like there are legitimate questions or
concerns that one could have, like, for example, there's a
million more satellites. I mean, I don't know what the
number of satellites is presently in orbit, but a million
seems like it's probably a substantial increase percenterwise too. Yeah,

(01:16:06):
and to my understanding, there has been a long standing
concern about increasing space debris or space junk that can
prove to be maybe a hazard for astronauts maybe in orbit,
or when debris falls back down, or when defund satellites

(01:16:27):
fall back down, they will crash somewhere. And yeah, they
might crash into an ocean, but maybe not. Maybe they
crash into land. Maybe they I don't know. Hit someone.
I guess the probability or the odds of that goes
up if you have more satellites in space, a million more,
let's say.

Speaker 12 (01:16:46):
And.

Speaker 17 (01:16:48):
I do wonder, yeah, how he proposes, how Elon Musk
proposes to handle or manage those issues. And then of course, yeah,
there was a concern of if he's going to use
these satellites to manipulate solar energy and it's no government

(01:17:10):
stops him from doing that, then I or maybe the
government decides, oh, we need to take over your satellites
because I don't know it has certain utility for us,
And then well then I think that's a danger too.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
In a way, it certainly could be. Max. Thanks for
sharing some information on this. What a crazy idea. We'll
have to keep our eye on it. Thank you, Max, definitely,
thank you, Hey, thank you all right joining us on
our any our newsmaker line. Max Derek Swane just talking
about this idea of putting mirrors in space, and.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
The more life just starts to look like the science
fiction I grew up watching. I just think I'm aging
out here. It's just I don't know that I want
to deal with a million satellites circling around everywhere and
what that means.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
I mean, how much it seems a bit much.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
How many satellites are up there now?

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Is life so bad without him?

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
I mean, I don't want to, you know, I don't
want to stop innovation and all that, but I don't know,
it just sounds like it seems a bit much.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Million more coming up. Final thoughts on the Rod and
Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.
I've never heard this term nat cons. Heard the term
nat cons. It apparently refers to big government conservatives.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Interesting because I've heard of the Neocon neocons.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
I've never heard of a Natcon.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Yeah, nat Con Yeah, big government Republicans.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Yeah, big government republicans. Net guns. But he writes that
the nat Cons and Burning Sanders income redistributors keep perpetuating
this myths. This myth that the middle class has made
no progress over the last several decades not true. According
to research the Wall Street Journal shows that all income
groups GREG have made substantial progress in income over time.

(01:18:48):
The rich have grown a lot richer, but since the
nineteen seventies, average middle class households have seen nearly a
forty thousand dollars increase in income. Let's look at these,
some of these numbers. Nineteen seventy one, the upper income
one hundred forty four thousand, okay, okay, twenty twenty two,

(01:19:10):
two hundred and fifty six thousand, a change of seventy
eight percent. Not bad, yes, Middle income nineteen seventy sixty
six thousand dollars okay, twenty twenty two, one hundred six
thousand dollars up sixty percent. Yeah, pretty good. Lower income
twenty two thousand, eight thirty one, twenty twenty two thirty

(01:19:32):
five thousand, three eighteen plus fifty five percent. So all
income brackets have seen increase since the nineteen seventies.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Don't tell a Democrat that they don't want to hear it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Well, they'll tax it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
They will, ye know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
By the way, and only this is only CNN could
do this. Okay, I'm looking at a headline from CNN
right now. Oh no, this ceasefire that you've seen right here,
according to CNN, and Iran has claimed victory. I'm not
kidding you. Iran has claimed victory. Says it forced the
US to accept a ten point plan. Now, if you

(01:20:11):
have to look at what's happened today, and with the
threats and with Pakistan trying to you know, help broker
a deal, and the straight up horror moves being opened up,
and you want to call that and frame that as
an Iranian victory over the US CNN, I guess you can.
But is anybody watching that station anymore? Because when you

(01:20:32):
when you talk like that, it's just silly.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
It's just well, is anybody at CNN even questioning what
Iran is saying?

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
I know, they just parrot Iran.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
I mean, honestly, they just as if that's the legitimate,
you know, source of news here. It's like Bagdad Bob
just got elevated to supreme leader and then CNN's just
following his every word.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
I think you'll have a connection with Bagdad Bob because
you're always bringing him up.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
I just thought he was hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
He would say, we are what hey, we are winning
everything and you see the video and there just get
we're they're losing everything. But bag Dad Bob boy in Iraq,
he was just there to tell you how well they
were all doing, and they were not.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
You were looking at future. It's a short time ago.
I guess oil futures are coming down. Stock market futures
are going up.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
That's right, right, that's right. Plumbing.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
The gas lean prices have come at least twenty three
percent have dropped since today.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Since being.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
I fill up this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
I know you missed the boat, but the President have.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Not sent a note and saying Rod hold off, thanks,
will be better this afternoon. That's when I would fill up.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
I think that I honestly think it was the end
of civilization is coming for Iran. I think that's what
everyone's like, Okay, this is gonna get worked.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
But and I have to say, it's Master's weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
The Master Now you you brought this up. Someone made
a point here.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
They said, one hundred percent, without fear, without doubt, there
was no way that President Trump was going to destroy
Iran on Master's weekend. We got we got the Master's
to watch on TV. We're not going to interrupt that
with calamity for calamity, it's not gonna happen. He's going
to preserve the Masters so we can all watch it,
enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
That's a good reason.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Yes, the Masters are coming up there, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
It's a good one. He knows golfers. He didn't want
to spoil their weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
No way.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
We're excited, all right. What a reason that doesn't for
us tonight, head on his shoulders back. May God bless
you and your family. We'll talk to you tomorrow at
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