July 30, 2026 • 42 mins
The Rod and Greg Show Daily Rundown – Thursday, July 30, 2026
Jim Antle, Politics Editor for the Washington Examiner, joins the program for a conversation about his piece on the different paths Democrats can take in the fight over socialism.
Economist Steve Moore, co-founder of Unleash Prosperity, joins the show for his weekly visit with Rod and Greg about politics and the nation’s economy, and today they’ll discuss this week’s Fauci hearing and how Fauci’s wrote in his diaries that he wanted to shut Steve up.
Tyler O’Neil, Senior Investigative Reporter at the Daily Signal, joins the program for a conversation about his piece on how things are progressing for people who have sued for medical malpractice after undergoing experimental treatment to change their genders.
Naomi Schaefer Riley, Resident Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, joins the show to discuss her piece for the Deseret News about the everchanging definition, and cost, of adulthood.
Jim Antle, Politics Editor for the Washington Examiner, joins the program for a conversation about his piece on the different paths Democrats can take in the fight over socialism.
Economist Steve Moore, co-founder of Unleash Prosperity, joins the show for his weekly visit with Rod and Greg about politics and the nation’s economy, and today they’ll discuss this week’s Fauci hearing and how Fauci’s wrote in his diaries that he wanted to shut Steve up.
Tyler O’Neil, Senior Investigative Reporter at the Daily Signal, joins the program for a conversation about his piece on how things are progressing for people who have sued for medical malpractice after undergoing experimental treatment to change their genders.
Naomi Schaefer Riley, Resident Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, joins the show to discuss her piece for the Deseret News about the everchanging definition, and cost, of adulthood.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is the Ron and Greg Show on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine, can arrests and everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app I'm citizen in Hughes and.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Roder Arkatt. Coming up at the bottom of the hour,
our good friend Steven Moore. He has a response to
Tony Fauci because apparently during all when when Steve worked
for President Trump during his first term, apparently Anthony Fauci
did not like what Stephen Moore was saying and he
asked the President to fire Stephen Moore.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
What positive social proofing can you get then, when someone
like Fauci doesn't like you, If that doesn't say that
you're on the right side of history, you're on the
side of angels. That Fauci doesn't like you. That is
just a great positive social proofing. I'm jealous that he
got such highlighting called out. Yeah, he just was. He
was the object of Fauci's wrath or scorn. Yeah, that's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Well like stech politics for a few minutes, let's talk
about what's going on in the Democratic Party and socialism
and what's being done there. It's going to be real interesting.
I think it's next Tuesday where they have that vote
for the Democratic side of the Senate race in Michigan
between who You've got Representative Haley Stevens and a socialist
out there, Abdul l Seid, And a lot of people
(01:13):
are watching this, Craig.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's a I wouldn't say that it's a
star chamber in terms of either side of this Democratic
taking because neither one of them, I think is the
strongest candidate. But I think Elseide certainly is the most
the proudest socialist or at least most honest in terms
of his belief So, you know, we'll see where Michigan
(01:35):
goes well.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line is Jim Handle. Jim
is executive editor editor of the Washington Examiner magazine wrote
an interesting article today about the different paths for Democrats
in their fight over socialism. Jim, how are you, and
welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Welcome back, Jim, it's good to be here.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Jim, what do you make of all this? You're right
about two paths. I mean, there's a real struggle now
going on within the Democratic part. He is there a
way out for the established Democrats.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
In Wisconsin, it looks like the answer is no. Their
attempt to shake up the governor's race to not have
a socialist nominee looks like it's actually backfiring. It's certainly failing.
They've had another candidate drop out just today saying that
the socialist front runner looks like she'll be the nominee.
(02:25):
So there's no point in running very far ahead of
the establishment shows and candidates who's backed by the current governor.
In Michigan, it's a tougher call. I mean this Senate
primary between Hayley Stevens and blsay that it depends on
the poll you look at, but there definitely seems to
(02:47):
be a bit of a fight going on there. You
have pretty much all of the big elected officials in Michigan,
from the governor into the incumbent senator to a lot
of people down Vallot and a lot of the leaders
in the state. They're rallying behind Stevens to try to
block a socialist nominee. But there's some polling that suggests
(03:07):
that that might not be bad enough. So we'll have
to see.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Do we mind that the socialists win the Democrat primaries?
Isn't that doesn't that make for a better race for
Republicans in November?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
It should make for a better race for Republicans in November. Yes,
And there was at least one poll that showed that
Mike Rodgers, the Republican candidate for Senate in Michigan, would
beat the Socialists, but he wouldn't necessarily beat the establishment Democrat,
although it would be a close race. Still, the risk is,
because it's the midterm election, it could be a pretty
(03:44):
good democratic year that some of these people might get
elected just because it's a democratic enough year. And you know,
in the midterms sometimes people vote just to punish the
people who are in power, or to you know, protest
the party in power. And so sometimes candidates who might
(04:05):
not ordinarily slip through do slip through. And you know,
you don't really want a whole bunch of these guys
in gal wielding power before they seize the means of
production or something.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, Jim, how nervous are the Democratic insiders thereon Michigan
about the possibility of l Sid's general a primary election,
but moreover his general election prospects. How nervous are they?
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, they're worried that this would take what ought to
be a seat where they'd be favored and turn it
into a toss up or worse. You know, that's why
they're circling the wagons around Stevens, because they think that
she'd be a safer nominee. Now, some of these questions
really first arose when Graham Plattner was imploding in Maine
(04:54):
and seems to be putting what ought to have been
a wittable seat for the Democrats very much at risk.
And so some Democrats started to have second thoughts about
the full socialist thing at that point, but potentially not enough.
So you know, it again depends on which Bowl and
Michigan that you believe, because they're starting to say and
(05:17):
flifting things and they can't all be right. But there
are some polls that show will say with with a
solid lead, and if that's the case, it is risk
your path for Democrats to go down in November.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So, Jim, here's a question. Sometimes I worry, though the
Republicans are helping this socialist movement because I worry about
crony capitalism. I worry about some of the we talk
about free markets. But you have a young you have
young people that that they're looking at so called free market,
but they're seeing hedge funds and they're seeing the ability
to be able to purchase a home in their forties.
(05:54):
Maybe if they're lucky that that average age is getting
further away from them. Is it that they like socialism
or they're willing to even consider something else because the
current free market doesn't look so free and doesn't look
like it they have a shot at it. Are we
not doing something right where we're giving u socialism maybe
a stage it shouldn't have.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Well, what I think you're right? I think that you know,
a lot of younger voters don't feel a stake in
the capitalist system, in the free market system, because you know,
they're they don't own their own homes. They don't really
own any meaningful property. Besides maybe they're you know, their
their iPhone or you know, and their their their tablet.
They they may be a car. They they don't have
(06:41):
major investments in the stock market or anything like that.
They don't ever retirement account yet that has much in it.
And they're so paying off their student loans no matter
what their income level is. So that's definitely part of it.
I think people not really understanding what the true economic
complications of some of these ideas would be because they've
(07:02):
never it's been many years since they've been tried in
the United States. So in an era of high prices inflation,
you know, you have these socialists sound like they're offering
tangible benefits and not just appealing to abstract principles.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Not.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
The problem with all of that is to the degree
that divided registration to listen to the socialists sets would
produce the inflation in the first place. But a lot
of people don't necessarily understand that. They just think that
it's greedy capitalists charging prices.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, Jim is always great chatting with you. Thank you
for your insight. It's going to be an interesting midterm
election this year.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Thanks Jim, absolutely thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
All Right, that's Jim Antel. He is with the Washington
Examiner joining us on our any our news maker line
around now talking about this. Oh one other quick note
before we break, Greg, I don't understand that there was
a pull out in Texas yesterday which shows that James
tall Rico, the whack job of a Democratic CAESI, has
a five point lead over kin Paxton. Nope, now it's early, okay,
(08:05):
and I'm not going to say, but do you see
this story today that you know he is trying to
be so Texan? Right, tell Rico that one of his
latest campaign ads has him driving a pickup truck, Yes,
a dodge Ram fifteen hundred pickup truck. Well, come to
find out he does not own a Dodge Ram pickup truck.
(08:28):
They went and rented it from enterprise just to be
able to show him driving a truck for a political commercial.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Let me tell you how bad that is in my mind.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
It looks so stupid.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
The theater kid, he can't even lease it. He can't
even pick up a twenty four month lease. He can't
even own the persona he's trying to portray in a
U in a United States Senate race in Texas. He
can't even lease it. Yeah, he has to rent it
by the day because he can't see over the wind,
he can't see over the steering wheel, can't see over
the hood of the truck. So he's gonna rent it
(09:00):
by the day. That is how shallow and absolutely false.
The entire story with him is, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Think he did use a booster Sea Space. Have you
seen him?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
He's he's very low t that kid.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, it sure is all right Moore coming up. Steven
Moore will join us next on the Thursday edition of
The Rod and Greg Show on Talk Radio one oh
five nine kN RS. All Right, welcome back Rod and
Greg with you on this Thursday afternoon, next to last
day of July with Talk Radio one oh five nine
kN R s live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I'm Rod, ar Kit, I'm citizen Greg Hughes.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Saw note come across the other day. If I want
to buy a parking space for Utah football games this year,
like two or three weeks away.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So if you okay, buy the parking space, what about
seat inside the stadium?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I have one of those.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Oh okay, So I thought maybe you were just really
excited about sitting outside the stadium. You can get a
parking space, you can hear the crowd.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
No, this was I have the tickets already, right, but
then you have to buy the parking spot. We have
a swe park sport parking spot by the way, and
I don't want to give that one up either. I'm
not giving the tickets or the parking.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Sphere's your parking but you mean close to the stadium,
real close to this. Doesn't that make it hard to
get out? No, the traffic. No, you're you're caught right
up next to the stadium. You can't get any right
next to the stadium.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well, we're close to it where we can jump on
a street and we're gone.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So years ago Miami, the Orange Bowl they used to
have the old Orange Bowl had residential homes all around.
You could my it was my cousin's husband. You could
rent someone's yard and park in their yard for the
to go to the Orange Bowl. What about those houses
that are all around rice Eycles? Can you rent? Can
you rent a driveway or something?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I don't see anybody out there selling parking spaces, but
there probably are.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I've just never paid any any attention.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, I think that'd be a little bit of a
revenue generator. Yeah, because there's a lot of houses around
the stadium.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yes there are.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, Yeah, By the way I got I just want
to make it official. It's true. I was lied to
forty years ago, and I heard this in a classroom,
so and I know for fact I did it. Turns
out the three hundred million els are undaunted by the
rubber on your tires. It will go right through there.
That will not insulate you as I was lied to.
So it turns out our public education problems started forty
(11:10):
years ago where they started to propagandize and lie to
me about, you know, the safety of these tires and
a lightning storm. But there is a safety called the
Faraday This is again we got smart listeners, a fair
day cage principle, which means that if this kind of
bears out in the story that you told about that
guy in the truck, it goes around it, the king
(11:31):
hits it and goes all around the truck doesn't go
inside it, and then so you're not going to get
hit with it. But then you got to get out.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah, you're in a case.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Well car got hit by three hundred million volts of electricity.
So what I was told about the tires, it is
not It is not true.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Well see, yeah, all these years not But now I know,
I mean you I have carried that lie for forty years.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
All right.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Well, joining us on our Newsmaker line now is Steven Moore,
a co founder of Unleashed Prosperity, former top economic advisor
to President Trump during his first term. I know, Steve,
you want to talk about the economy. But I know
what you really want to talk about. We learned and
the release over the weekend last weekend of Anthony Fauci's
diaries that he did not necessarily like you and he
(12:15):
just wanted you to shut up. How'd your response to that, Steve.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Well, you know, first of all, nobody's going to shut
me up.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
You have to know that.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
But you know, it was it was very flattering because
you know, I remember back in twenty twenty, in January
and February when the whole world went crazy, and I
was very much against a lot. I would have been
against lockdowns even if they had worked. But they didn't work,
of course, and this was one of the greatest mistakes
(12:43):
our country ever made. It's probably, you know, in the
list of the top ten tragic outcomes where we shut
down our economy. We did great damage to our children
in terms of the lost education, small millions of small
businesses went out of business. Was you know, we had
a huge number of suicide, drug abuse, all of this stuff.
(13:05):
So it was a catastrophic mistake. And thank god we
have rand Paul who called out Fauci on this. And
by the way, Fauci said, oh, I'd be happy to
testify any time. I don't have anything to hide. Gee,
I wonder really about that now, what a fraud he was,
And I think it's this has been an important week
for people to see that this man who became an
(13:27):
overnight hero because he contradicted everything Trump was saying and
the media hated Trump. By the way, the media is
entirely complicit in this. This was a conspiracy, and the
media fond all over Fauci like he was an oracle,
and almost everything he recommended was wrong and instantly. He
had a long history of being wrong on you know,
(13:49):
he was one of the people remember the heterosexual aids, Yes,
you know, all of those things. So he he he
will go down in history, as you know, an anti hero,
not a hero. But the media and the people who
who idolized him really should step up. And the only
one who really did was Fetterman, the senator from Pennsylvania,
(14:12):
who said, look, you know, I was admitted and I
made said look I got this wrong, that this was
the wrong thing to do. It didn't work, and but
none of the other Democrats did, you know, And.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Then you're I'm going to just say, there's a famous
Winston Churchill quote, you know, you judge a person by
the animosities which he excites among his opponents. I've always
I've always set myself not merely the first.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Time in my life I've ever been compared to Winston's.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
He is saying he relishes the censure from certain people.
And I think that having someone what we're learning about
Fauci and how you were in his mind, one of
his great antagonists, I think it speaks well of you.
But let me ask you this, but there's a look, yes, let.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Me make a point about this because it's important, you
know what what what Fauci was trying to do. But
putting aside me personally, yeah, it's for a member of
the president's sort of cabinet to tell the president to
shut someone up and take away their free speech rights.
That's a pretty dangerous thing, it really is.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
So that this leads this question, there's a lot of
people that are going to be frustrated that they think
there's people that have been charged and even gone to
jail for a lot, whether it's lying under oath in
front of Congress or a court, if it's if it's
some of the things that you've seen fauci. Do you
don't think he's lying to his own personal diaries, which,
by the way, he did on a government server as
a government employee. So it's not like someone rated his
(15:36):
nightstand for his personal journal. But the things he admits
privately contradicting and even lying the public, and all the
things he did publicly. People would like to see this adjudicated.
They'd like to see him charged, but I don't know
that that's going to happen, Stephen. Is it still important though,
that the curtain was pulled back and this kind of
transparency on this guy, even his fascination with celebrity and
(15:59):
his opinion of himself. Was this important even if you
don't see charges and you see him thrown in jail.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yes, it was really important because now we know, we
know that he was a fraud all along, and he
is sort of the Benedict Donald of our time. I mean,
he did great, great damage to our country with his misinformation,
and he did lie about these things, and so it
is important to set the record straight. And yet I
read the New York Times this morning and they're saying,
(16:28):
I'm not making this up. They're saying that Ran Paul
is like guilty of McCarthyism. Yeah, for going after and
come on, what are you talking about. This guy commits
one of the climes of the century and we call
him out for it, and then you know, we're guilty
for calling him out on his misinformation. So this was
important hearing and it was important for the American people
(16:50):
to see this man shamed like that because we don't
we can never let this happen again, No, we can't.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Steve, I saw this on the the email that went out,
the newsletter that went out this morning. Yeah, it is
absolutely amazing to see how the media in this country
fawned over this guy. I mean, it's unbelievable. He could
do no wrong in their eyes. See, that's amazing.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Yeah, I very rarely see such a love affair. And
you know, these people were they wanted to believe what
he was saying because a lot of us was Trump
derangement syndrome back in twenty twenty and so they finally
had somebody fanning up to Trump and then he and
I remember talking to Trump and he couldn't really fire Trump.
(17:36):
He wanted to, but he'd becomes such a hero that
you know, he Trump felt like he couldn't fire, and
I wish he had that we would have been much
all better off. But even Deborah Brooks, who was also
a co conspirator, this is now sort of separating herself
from Fauci, but do you remember her, she also was
complicit in this. She was a villain as well.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah, the scarf. Rush used to call her the scarf queen.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I just noticed today that she's coming out, She's coming
out insane that Blue states overclosed during COVID.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I mean that now she does it well, by the way,
just you know, I should say that one of the
smartest things Trump did was he said, look, let's let
the states decide what to do, how they want to
handle this. And that was brilliant because what happened was
the Blue states all stayed locked down, and states like
Utah and states like Florida and Texas and Tennessee in
(18:29):
a very judicious way opened up their economy. And if
it hadn't been for that, the entire you know, states
like Utah and Texas and Florida that carried the rest
of the economy on their shoulders by staying open. So
thank god you had great leadership, and you know, you
guys are. How is Draways number one on everything. It's
just an amazing thing.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
We were just named best state in the country four
years were all by newsweek or no US news report
over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Steve, we got to be doing something right.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Well, you are, and it's a serious point. You know,
thanks to states like Idahoa and Utah in Texas and
Florida and the Carolinas, they stayed open while the other
states completely shut down and there was no difference in
the death rates. That's the amazing thing, because the best
thing to do is get people outside.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You know.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
The worst thing you can just keep sequester people in
their homes, no fresh air, no exercise. You know, you
had increases in suicide rates, you had increases in alcoholism,
drug abuse, all of this stuff because people that it
was a horrible time for people.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Steve Moore joining us on our Newsmaker line. Steve has
always thank you very very much. If we can stand it,
Greg when we come back, we'll give you an example
of the praise the media heaped on Anthony Fauci.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, get your barf bag. Going to say, get your
barf bag.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Don't be anywhere where if he gets sick. It's going
to be uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, that's coming up. O.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
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Speaker 1 (20:05):
I'mre at Arquet Citizen, Greg Hughes.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
You know, I forgot to bring this up yesterday. We
mentioned it was Steve Moore a while ago about the
fact that US News and World Report ranked Utah the
best state in the country for the fourth year in
a row.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
There was articles are you tired of winning yet? I mean,
we win so much.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Well, I wanted to talk about one of the losers, California. Yeah,
they're like forty second or forty third. I mean that
state is so beautiful, yeah, and the weather is so fantastic.
There's so many wonderful things there. Yet they just can't
get their act together. There are many problems.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I mean, their economy is larger than most I.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Should have heard, the fifth largest in the world.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And so and like you say, the weather that is
so ideal that you have to you have to be
incredibly bad to chase people out of the state of California.
It has to be, I mean, because it had so
much going for it, but now it is the land
of the damned. I swear it is Tijuana. I don't
even further.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Don't get started. They just think the whole.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Beach San Diego area is a toilet now because the
Tijuana someone someone to do something about it. Yeah, they
need me to come down there again. Why I have
to do this by myself down there. I literally have
to put this issue on my back and carry it
across the finish line. Get something done with Lee's Eldon
and California and everybody else. California, Mexico shouldn't be able
to do this.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
He's trying, trying. It's trying to hurry up, all right.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Uh. Later on in the show, We're Aldring, did you
are you aware what happened at the w NBA game
up in Seattle last night?
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I am not.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I don't follow the w W w n B A
very closely, Rod, so I'm unaware of the goings on.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well, there were two teenage girls who showed up and
I think had a front row seat at the game,
and they wore the T shirts exact X.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Y okay, and Held that's about chromosomes.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Held Held signs up saying we support you Sophie, because
Sophie cunning Am has come out in favor of saying
boys should not be allowed in girls' bathrooms or in
girls sports, right, getting a lot of heat for that. Well,
the part owner of the Seattle team came up to
these kids and let them have it.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
How old were these kids, I.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Want to say about fourteen fifteen, maybe sixteen maybe, And
the one of the owners of the part owner of
a team came up and went after Yeah, that is terrible. Yeah,
well we'll get into that. I don't know if you'd
heard that story yet, obviously not, but it's quite a story.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
You know. Maybe that league is just not ready for it,
so it doesn't know how to handle, uh being a league.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
It's shooting itself from the foot every day. Yeah, they
got a star like Caitlyn, Caitlyn who's out there.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
And they they make it just sickening to watch how
they treat her. And it's really racial. It is really racial.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
It is too.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I don't know that the WNBA. This is why they
can't have nice things like ratings and revenue, like money yeah,
I just don't think they're ready for they can't have it.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Well, speaking of that, there was a case back east
earlier this year or last year, late last year where
a jury awarded a woman who went through a transition
surgery millions of dollars in blaming the doctor. And you
know there are other cases like that now, so we
thought we'd check in to see how are D transitioners
(23:30):
faring in medical now practice cases around the country. And
joining us on our any hour Newsmaker line right now
is Tyler Roneial. He's been looking at this, tracking some
of these cases. Tyler, thanks for joining us. What have
you found out?
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Yeah, so thanks for asking and thanks for having me.
The D transitioner phenomenon is continuing to grow, and that's
because you know, I think many of us can instinctially
grasp that these these so called transition so called treatments
are inherently dangerous, nefarious, and usually damaging. And so the
(24:09):
idea that it is somehow smart to put someone on
drugs to make them appear like the opposite sacks and
that that wouldn't harm them is it self questionable. But
now we're starting to see these cases come into court
and you know, as as you noted, you know, in
New York there was a jury awarding a D transitioner
(24:31):
two million dollars. In Oregon there was another D transitioner
medical malpractice claim that was settled. And so we're we're
seeing these pop up across the country. And I had
the pleasure of sitting down and talking with Josh Paine,
who is the founding partner of the law firm that
exists to represent D transitioners, and he just went through
(24:55):
a whole bunch of cases. I think many of us
are familiar with the name Chloe Cole.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, she's the.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
D transitioner who, unfortunately, you know, she went through a
double mastectomy at the age of sixteen. She's suing Kaiser
Permanente and her trial has been scheduled for April of
next year. And you know, there's there's a woman in
Washington whose case is also scheduled for next year, Luka Hine,
who's a D transitioner suing the University of Nebraska for
(25:25):
removing her breasts at sixteen. Her trial is also scheduled
for next year. And you know, many of these cases,
you know, we have a bunch of trials that are
scheduled for next year, and yet you know, those are
the cases that are moving ahead to trial. Before you
get to trial, you often have to overcome these procedural hurdles.
(25:47):
So the biggest procedural hurdle that d transitioners are running
into is the same issue that you know. For good reasons,
there are a lot of statutes of limitations that say
that if you're suing for medical malpractice, you have to
do so within a certain amount of time to make
sure that the case can actually be litigated, that the
(26:10):
truth can really come out. This is generally a positive law,
but when it comes to detransition in particular, it has
negative consequences often because when you go through transition, you.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Harm your body, and then later you realize that you
had harmed your body and that these these people have
been committing malpractice on you. Usually you don't come to
that realization until years later. And so one of the
big hurdles with these detransition cases is that a lot
of them are past the statute of limitations. And we
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have states like Texas where the legislature is aware of
this and they file they passed a law explicitly extending
that statute of limitations to allow D transitioners to sue,
and so they're there's this very important you know, soorn
Aldaco is one of the D transitioners, and uh, that
(27:07):
case survived the Texas the statute of limitations issue. But
then there's there's one aspect of it that's remaining. And
there there was one case with Priscia Moseley, who the
North Carolina legislator had legislature had passed a law extending
the statute of limitations, and yet a judge nevertheless ruled
(27:32):
against her. So that case is on appeal. There's this
really important ruling from the Supreme Court of Texas upholding
sorn Aldocco's case despite you know, you know, despite these
statute of limitations issues, and hopefully that will open the
(27:52):
door for more of these de transition cases to make
it all the way to trial.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Let me ask you this question about statute of limitations,
and maybe my memory's not serving me quickly, but I
thought the state of New York, I think it was
New York decided to retroactively extend the statute of limitations
for sexual assaults, and I think that that became a
dragnet that grabbed a lot of high profile celebrities things
like that, not that New York is our north star
for good legislation. However, if you're talking about sexual assault,
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having the statute of limitations either opened up or removed
whatever was the case, wouldn't the de transitioners be Haven't
they earned that chance to be able to adjudicate this,
knowing how many years it takes to understand what's happened
to them.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Yes, most definitely. And that's why you know, with that
New York statute limitations issue, that was a limited window
that they opened cases for older cases to be brought back,
and of course you know it did ensnare one particular
celebrity who currently resides at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. But
(28:56):
you know, when we're looking at these detransitioner cases, I
think there's a really good case to be made for
laws being set on the books to permanently extend statutes
of limitations in the cases of detransition just because it
is such I mean, from my perspective, it is such
an egregious malpractice of medicine, and if it is rightly
(29:22):
considered to be, you know, really really the negative effect,
the negative force that I think it is legislatures should
make make those statutes of limitation extremely long or have.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
You know, have and they should They shouldn't be doing
this because New York did that for sexual assault, although
I do think you know your right to bring that
up because it provides a good example and a good
reason to say, like, look, if they did it on
this issue, why can't we.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Do it on this Yeah? Good point, Tyler.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
What about you mentioned the legal issues, the physical issues
that these these de transitioners go through, but what about
the emotional issue of making that decision. I'm going to
fight this. I want I want to go back to
where I was before the surgery. I mean, how big
of a challenge is that for many of these people.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Oh, it's it's a humongous challenge. It's a herculean effort,
and it takes extreme courage. So I think one of
the things that we often you know, when people on
the left talk about persecuted minorities, are those who, you know,
those who are isolated from society, those who have a
(30:36):
lot of strategic disadvantages.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
There is no group in my mind that is more
disadvantaged than d transitioners. Because you already had. You know,
many of these people are struggling with other mental health
issues that are often the underlying cause in many cases
of gender dysphoria in the first place. And then what
(31:00):
happens is they go through this medical pathway where people say, oh,
this is part of your your mental issues, and we
we're going to dismiss all your other mental issues and
say transgender identity is the main one. We're going to
solve that, We're going to affirm you, and then we're
going to change your body.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
What this does.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
It has a one to two punch of harming your
physical body and then also worsening your mental health problems.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah, boy, what a what an issue this is.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And I wish these these detransitioners all the success in
the world in these medical malpractice.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
It's a tough it's tough to see. And I and
I and I think we're going to say, I don't
I don't think we're in the middle of it. I
think we're in the beginning of it.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Oh, very yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
There's going to be a lot there's gonna be a
lot spoken about time where this was allowed and all
the consequences we're going through because of it.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
We have just scratched the surface, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
More.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Coming up Rod and Greg with you on this Thursday
and Talk Radio one O five nine K and r
S final half hour to spend with us, and we
get to spend it with you The Rod and Greg
Show on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine kN
r S Live Everywhere again on the iHeartRadio app. I'm
Rod Arquet, Citizen Greg Hughes. All right, we were talking
(32:17):
earlier about the use of profanity. Uh, did you ever
swear in front of your mom or your grandmother?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
No, my grandmother. My mother might have heard me bit,
but my grandmother never did.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I don't think I ever did in front of my parents.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
No.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
No, you know, we're we're we're. We were raised in
the age of washing your mouth out with soap.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I heard the saying never had.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
It you never had it done. I think I did
once or twice.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I watched what was it? What's the movie with Fralfie
where he hits his mouth washed?
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Oh? Yeah, the Christmas Story.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, Christmas Story. That's the closest I've been to Wally.
I've seen it, but I've never heard. Well, I heard
the saying never happened.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
They did it differently than my mother did to me.
I mean, you know on the Christmas Story.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
What they saw soap, the pump, they pump it in
their mouth.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Then she just shoved the bar in the boy's mouth. Right,
My mother say oh your mouth, and she'd scrub my tongue.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
It's tough, tough family, tough background. Well, we bring this
up because you know a great question in this next article.
In our guest Uh posed this question, how do you
know you're an adult?
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Greg?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Some people will tell you that I have yet to
achieve that status. Some call Peter Pan syndrome, that you
never grow up. I would say for me eighteen, I
graduated from after I was eighteen. But when I graduated
from high school, I was out. I didn't. I would
visit my family, my mother, but I would I never
lived under the roof of my parents a parent again.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Well, joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about
this is Naomi Schaeffer Riley. She is a resident fellow
at the American Enterprise Institute, writing about the ever changing
definition of adulthood and his costs. Naomi, Greg and I
were talking earlier about you know, and he just mentioned
when we're eighteen, we're gone. I mean not that we
didn't I didn't like our parents, those who help bring
(34:11):
us up, but we wanted to get out on our own.
That has changed nowadays, what has happened, So, I.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
Mean, I think it's become very muddled for young adults today.
You know, you can see this in other ways too,
that they're not longing for independence in the same way.
There's been a huge decline, for instance, in the number
of young people who are getting driver's licenses. And certainly
when I was a kid, you know, everybody couldn't wait
for the day that you're eligible to get your driver's
license and have that sense of independence. And now I think,
(34:39):
you know, for a variety of reasons that include technology
and the just different relationships with their family, that young
adults are not longing for that independence in the same way.
But I think it's kind of sneaking up on them
that they do reach a point where they want that,
but you know that the barriers are not so clear,
and our society has all different kinds of markers for
when you reach young adulthood, like is it when you
(35:01):
go to college, is it when you finish high school.
Is it when you move out of your parents' house?
Is it when you can afford your own place. Is
it when you get a job or have kids, or
when you can drink or smoke or any of these things.
We have different ages when you can enroll, you know,
enlist in the army. So I think there are just
a lot of different ways that we mark that. But
it's very unclear for young people, and I think they're
(35:22):
not longing for it as much, but I think later,
I think they really need those boundaries.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
So fifteen plus years ago, I sat in a seminar
and our premier research institution, a higher learning has what
they call a brain institute, and what they described was
that human beings have this strange around laid out adolescents,
the desire to leave the nest. They want to give
up their roof like rot. By the way, did you
hear Rod say that we're very similar? I just Naomi,
(35:48):
did you hear him say that? Because that's a moment
for him to compare the two of us is very similar.
This doesn't happen very often on the Rod and Greg Show,
but I think I heard him say that, Yeah, yeah, Okay,
he said it, okay, So Rod and I my life
followed this pattern that was described that we will leave
and we're more apt to take risks. We were at
this age where you take risk, and interestingly enough to
(36:09):
tobacco industry keyed in on this and this is where
they would market tobacco because young people were more interested
in smoking at that time where they were willing to
take on more risk as they were leaving the nest.
Has our environment changed that is, was that never the
case or has the environment changed the human nature to
want to leave the nest at a certain age.
Speaker 7 (36:30):
I don't think human nature has changed exactly. I mean,
I do think that our environment has influenced things. So,
like I mentioned technology, I mean, I think that what's
happened is that, you know, sort of the phones have
sort of allowed people maybe to sort of have the image,
the kind of illusion of having independence, Like they have
(36:52):
this little device and they seem to be having relationships
through it, but they're not having those in person interactions.
But it can sort of entertain them in a way
in their living room that they feel maybe they don't
need to get out as much. I also think, obviously
parents are supporting kids for you know, a longer period
of time. I mean, you know, even thinking about like
(37:12):
how long young adults today are on their parents' health insurance.
I mean, you can be on your parents health insurance
till twenty six today, Like is that are you still
a kid? I mean the number of parents I know
who are paying for their cell phone plans of their
twenty five or their thirty year olds. So I think,
you know, parents are definitely partly to blame here for
(37:32):
the helicoptering and sort of wanting to be their kid's
best friend as well. So I think those things are
sort of giving young people the illusion that they don't
need to set those boundaries and that they don't need
to create independence, and that, you know, leads to what
I was, you know, sort of responding to in my article,
which was this estrangement crisis young adults who are cutting
(37:54):
off their families, and I was trying to kind of
figure out why that is. And I think part of
it really is that they're kind of flailing. They're looking
for a way to create boundaries, but they don't know how.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah, what are your thoughts on this? Because you're right
about this. I was going to ask you about this
whole estrangement study showing or was it one in ten
or a strange from a parent or a child. Some
people are blaming it on therapists who are telling them
leave your family. I mean, what do you make of
all this, Naomi?
Speaker 7 (38:20):
Yeah, it's so disturbing. You know. I think that there
are just, you know, there are, unfortunately people who are
advising these young people, whether they're therapists or their friends
or other adults, who are just saying, you know, oh,
it's not worth it. You know, you've experienced some toxic childhood,
You've experienced some trauma during your youth, and so you
just need to cut these people out of your life.
(38:43):
I think that there is a little bit of kind
of our toxic politics that's at work here. You know,
this whole discussion of like, you know, how you shouldn't
even invite the relatives that you disagree with to Thanksgiving dinner.
I mean, you should just cut them out of your life,
that they're so wrong and it's not worth it. And
I think that message is definitely trickling down and you're
seeing more and more people just literally saying I want
(39:05):
nothing to do with my parents, and it's very disturbing.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
You know, I've observed something an anomaly that over the
course of my life, but it might be anecdotal. I'm
wondering if you've seen this or if this has been tracked.
Sometimes you see young young kids that are young adults
or adolescents in a home rebel. They want they do
want to be a strange they want to run away,
they want to do something. But in the if you
go forward fast forward three four years, they don't launch.
(39:31):
They actually stay home longer. The ones that wanted to
sneak out, wanted to run away, didn't want to be
at home, actually stay home longer. Is there something to
that or is that just random?
Speaker 5 (39:42):
You know?
Speaker 7 (39:42):
I just I think that there's like a productive way
of you know, declaring your independence in a not productive way.
So I mean just sort of you know, you know,
stomping your feet and saying, you know, I hate you
and then just sort of staying put is kind of
one thing that's happening, you know. And I think the
young people who will launch or sort of saying like,
you know, I'm going to take these steps to prepare
myself to be financially independent, to be sort of you know,
(40:06):
emotionally mature enough to leave the nest, and that's a
whole different approach. There was a funny book title, I
can't remember the exact title from a few years ago
about kind of teenagers and it was called like I
Hate You, Mom, Now Take me to the mall. And
I think it sort of, you know, sums up a
little bit of you know, that that feeling that you know,
(40:27):
young adults have that they are they do want independence,
but they are you know, very much tethered to the
adults in their life for things. And so the question
is kind of how do you navigate that relationship so
it does become a productive, you know, growth, and that
you are able to sort of leave home and fend
for yourself.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Naomi, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Naomi Shaeffer Riley Resident Fellow is the American Enterprise Institute.
Talking about adulthood yep. And if it did exist anymore?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Well, did I tell I, you know, when I was
in Popey game, Third World country? Yes, yes, so you
know it's there. Had they barely had a just criminal justices,
but they were endeavoring to have one. Well, the judge
in determine whether they had before them a minor or
an adult would ask for the defendant to raise both
(41:20):
their arms, and if the judge could see hair the
arm pits, then that was an adult. And if it wasn't,
or if there was just a little bit, then it
was a minor.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
And that was that was the test for you did
this with both sexes?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
No, this is got These are the men. I don't know.
I don't know about the women. It might have been
some other developments that might have made that the case
or not. But it guys, stick up your arms in
the air, Okay, you're an adults. Literally that was Yeah,
I don't really, I don't know, but that that was
how they did it. That's how they did it. Was
a bit primitive, but it seems pretty you know, it
could work.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
All right.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Final segment of the Rodd and Greg Show, Coming your
way right here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five
nine k n R S
It is the Ron and Greg Show on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine, can arrests and everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app I'm citizen in Hughes and.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Roder Arkatt. Coming up at the bottom of the hour,
our good friend Steven Moore. He has a response to
Tony Fauci because apparently during all when when Steve worked
for President Trump during his first term, apparently Anthony Fauci
did not like what Stephen Moore was saying and he
asked the President to fire Stephen Moore.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
What positive social proofing can you get then, when someone
like Fauci doesn't like you, If that doesn't say that
you're on the right side of history, you're on the
side of angels. That Fauci doesn't like you. That is
just a great positive social proofing. I'm jealous that he
got such highlighting called out. Yeah, he just was. He
was the object of Fauci's wrath or scorn. Yeah, that's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Well like stech politics for a few minutes, let's talk
about what's going on in the Democratic Party and socialism
and what's being done there. It's going to be real interesting.
I think it's next Tuesday where they have that vote
for the Democratic side of the Senate race in Michigan
between who You've got Representative Haley Stevens and a socialist
out there, Abdul l Seid, And a lot of people
(01:13):
are watching this, Craig.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's a I wouldn't say that it's a
star chamber in terms of either side of this Democratic
taking because neither one of them, I think is the
strongest candidate. But I think Elseide certainly is the most
the proudest socialist or at least most honest in terms
of his belief So, you know, we'll see where Michigan
(01:35):
goes well.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line is Jim Handle. Jim
is executive editor editor of the Washington Examiner magazine wrote
an interesting article today about the different paths for Democrats
in their fight over socialism. Jim, how are you, and
welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Welcome back, Jim, it's good to be here.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Jim, what do you make of all this? You're right
about two paths. I mean, there's a real struggle now
going on within the Democratic part. He is there a
way out for the established Democrats.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
In Wisconsin, it looks like the answer is no. Their
attempt to shake up the governor's race to not have
a socialist nominee looks like it's actually backfiring. It's certainly failing.
They've had another candidate drop out just today saying that
the socialist front runner looks like she'll be the nominee.
(02:25):
So there's no point in running very far ahead of
the establishment shows and candidates who's backed by the current governor.
In Michigan, it's a tougher call. I mean this Senate
primary between Hayley Stevens and blsay that it depends on
the poll you look at, but there definitely seems to
(02:47):
be a bit of a fight going on there. You
have pretty much all of the big elected officials in Michigan,
from the governor into the incumbent senator to a lot
of people down Vallot and a lot of the leaders
in the state. They're rallying behind Stevens to try to
block a socialist nominee. But there's some polling that suggests
(03:07):
that that might not be bad enough. So we'll have
to see.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Do we mind that the socialists win the Democrat primaries?
Isn't that doesn't that make for a better race for
Republicans in November?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
It should make for a better race for Republicans in November. Yes,
And there was at least one poll that showed that
Mike Rodgers, the Republican candidate for Senate in Michigan, would
beat the Socialists, but he wouldn't necessarily beat the establishment Democrat,
although it would be a close race. Still, the risk is,
because it's the midterm election, it could be a pretty
(03:44):
good democratic year that some of these people might get
elected just because it's a democratic enough year. And you know,
in the midterms sometimes people vote just to punish the
people who are in power, or to you know, protest
the party in power. And so sometimes candidates who might
(04:05):
not ordinarily slip through do slip through. And you know,
you don't really want a whole bunch of these guys
in gal wielding power before they seize the means of
production or something.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, Jim, how nervous are the Democratic insiders thereon Michigan
about the possibility of l Sid's general a primary election,
but moreover his general election prospects. How nervous are they?
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, they're worried that this would take what ought to
be a seat where they'd be favored and turn it
into a toss up or worse. You know, that's why
they're circling the wagons around Stevens, because they think that
she'd be a safer nominee. Now, some of these questions
really first arose when Graham Plattner was imploding in Maine
(04:54):
and seems to be putting what ought to have been
a wittable seat for the Democrats very much at risk.
And so some Democrats started to have second thoughts about
the full socialist thing at that point, but potentially not enough.
So you know, it again depends on which Bowl and
Michigan that you believe, because they're starting to say and
(05:17):
flifting things and they can't all be right. But there
are some polls that show will say with with a
solid lead, and if that's the case, it is risk
your path for Democrats to go down in November.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So, Jim, here's a question. Sometimes I worry, though the
Republicans are helping this socialist movement because I worry about
crony capitalism. I worry about some of the we talk
about free markets. But you have a young you have
young people that that they're looking at so called free market,
but they're seeing hedge funds and they're seeing the ability
to be able to purchase a home in their forties.
(05:54):
Maybe if they're lucky that that average age is getting
further away from them. Is it that they like socialism
or they're willing to even consider something else because the
current free market doesn't look so free and doesn't look
like it they have a shot at it. Are we
not doing something right where we're giving u socialism maybe
a stage it shouldn't have.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Well, what I think you're right? I think that you know,
a lot of younger voters don't feel a stake in
the capitalist system, in the free market system, because you know,
they're they don't own their own homes. They don't really
own any meaningful property. Besides maybe they're you know, their
their iPhone or you know, and their their their tablet.
They they may be a car. They they don't have
(06:41):
major investments in the stock market or anything like that.
They don't ever retirement account yet that has much in it.
And they're so paying off their student loans no matter
what their income level is. So that's definitely part of it.
I think people not really understanding what the true economic
complications of some of these ideas would be because they've
(07:02):
never it's been many years since they've been tried in
the United States. So in an era of high prices inflation,
you know, you have these socialists sound like they're offering
tangible benefits and not just appealing to abstract principles.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Not.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
The problem with all of that is to the degree
that divided registration to listen to the socialists sets would
produce the inflation in the first place. But a lot
of people don't necessarily understand that. They just think that
it's greedy capitalists charging prices.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, Jim is always great chatting with you. Thank you
for your insight. It's going to be an interesting midterm
election this year.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Thanks Jim, absolutely thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
All Right, that's Jim Antel. He is with the Washington
Examiner joining us on our any our news maker line
around now talking about this. Oh one other quick note
before we break, Greg, I don't understand that there was
a pull out in Texas yesterday which shows that James
tall Rico, the whack job of a Democratic CAESI, has
a five point lead over kin Paxton. Nope, now it's early, okay,
(08:05):
and I'm not going to say, but do you see
this story today that you know he is trying to
be so Texan? Right, tell Rico that one of his
latest campaign ads has him driving a pickup truck, Yes,
a dodge Ram fifteen hundred pickup truck. Well, come to
find out he does not own a Dodge Ram pickup truck.
(08:28):
They went and rented it from enterprise just to be
able to show him driving a truck for a political commercial.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Let me tell you how bad that is in my mind.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
It looks so stupid.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
The theater kid, he can't even lease it. He can't
even pick up a twenty four month lease. He can't
even own the persona he's trying to portray in a
U in a United States Senate race in Texas. He
can't even lease it. Yeah, he has to rent it
by the day because he can't see over the wind,
he can't see over the steering wheel, can't see over
the hood of the truck. So he's gonna rent it
(09:00):
by the day. That is how shallow and absolutely false.
The entire story with him is, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Think he did use a booster Sea Space. Have you
seen him?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
He's he's very low t that kid.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, it sure is all right Moore coming up. Steven
Moore will join us next on the Thursday edition of
The Rod and Greg Show on Talk Radio one oh
five nine kN RS. All Right, welcome back Rod and
Greg with you on this Thursday afternoon, next to last
day of July with Talk Radio one oh five nine
kN R s live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I'm Rod, ar Kit, I'm citizen Greg Hughes.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Saw note come across the other day. If I want
to buy a parking space for Utah football games this year,
like two or three weeks away.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So if you okay, buy the parking space, what about
seat inside the stadium?
Speaker 3 (09:48):
I have one of those.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Oh okay, So I thought maybe you were just really
excited about sitting outside the stadium. You can get a
parking space, you can hear the crowd.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
No, this was I have the tickets already, right, but
then you have to buy the parking spot. We have
a swe park sport parking spot by the way, and
I don't want to give that one up either. I'm
not giving the tickets or the parking.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Sphere's your parking but you mean close to the stadium,
real close to this. Doesn't that make it hard to
get out? No, the traffic. No, you're you're caught right
up next to the stadium. You can't get any right
next to the stadium.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well, we're close to it where we can jump on
a street and we're gone.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So years ago Miami, the Orange Bowl they used to
have the old Orange Bowl had residential homes all around.
You could my it was my cousin's husband. You could
rent someone's yard and park in their yard for the
to go to the Orange Bowl. What about those houses
that are all around rice Eycles? Can you rent? Can
you rent a driveway or something?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I don't see anybody out there selling parking spaces, but
there probably are.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I've just never paid any any attention.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, I think that'd be a little bit of a
revenue generator. Yeah, because there's a lot of houses around
the stadium.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yes there are.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, Yeah, By the way I got I just want
to make it official. It's true. I was lied to
forty years ago, and I heard this in a classroom,
so and I know for fact I did it. Turns
out the three hundred million els are undaunted by the
rubber on your tires. It will go right through there.
That will not insulate you as I was lied to.
So it turns out our public education problems started forty
(11:10):
years ago where they started to propagandize and lie to
me about, you know, the safety of these tires and
a lightning storm. But there is a safety called the
Faraday This is again we got smart listeners, a fair
day cage principle, which means that if this kind of
bears out in the story that you told about that
guy in the truck, it goes around it, the king
(11:31):
hits it and goes all around the truck doesn't go
inside it, and then so you're not going to get
hit with it. But then you got to get out.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah, you're in a case.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Well car got hit by three hundred million volts of electricity.
So what I was told about the tires, it is
not It is not true.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Well see, yeah, all these years not But now I know,
I mean you I have carried that lie for forty years.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
All right.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Well, joining us on our Newsmaker line now is Steven Moore,
a co founder of Unleashed Prosperity, former top economic advisor
to President Trump during his first term. I know, Steve,
you want to talk about the economy. But I know
what you really want to talk about. We learned and
the release over the weekend last weekend of Anthony Fauci's
diaries that he did not necessarily like you and he
(12:15):
just wanted you to shut up. How'd your response to that, Steve.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Well, you know, first of all, nobody's going to shut
me up.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
You have to know that.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
But you know, it was it was very flattering because
you know, I remember back in twenty twenty, in January
and February when the whole world went crazy, and I
was very much against a lot. I would have been
against lockdowns even if they had worked. But they didn't work,
of course, and this was one of the greatest mistakes
(12:43):
our country ever made. It's probably, you know, in the
list of the top ten tragic outcomes where we shut
down our economy. We did great damage to our children
in terms of the lost education, small millions of small
businesses went out of business. Was you know, we had
a huge number of suicide, drug abuse, all of this stuff.
(13:05):
So it was a catastrophic mistake. And thank god we
have rand Paul who called out Fauci on this. And
by the way, Fauci said, oh, I'd be happy to
testify any time. I don't have anything to hide. Gee,
I wonder really about that now, what a fraud he was,
And I think it's this has been an important week
for people to see that this man who became an
(13:27):
overnight hero because he contradicted everything Trump was saying and
the media hated Trump. By the way, the media is
entirely complicit in this. This was a conspiracy, and the
media fond all over Fauci like he was an oracle,
and almost everything he recommended was wrong and instantly. He
had a long history of being wrong on you know,
(13:49):
he was one of the people remember the heterosexual aids, Yes,
you know, all of those things. So he he he
will go down in history, as you know, an anti hero,
not a hero. But the media and the people who
who idolized him really should step up. And the only
one who really did was Fetterman, the senator from Pennsylvania,
(14:12):
who said, look, you know, I was admitted and I
made said look I got this wrong, that this was
the wrong thing to do. It didn't work, and but
none of the other Democrats did, you know, And.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Then you're I'm going to just say, there's a famous
Winston Churchill quote, you know, you judge a person by
the animosities which he excites among his opponents. I've always
I've always set myself not merely the first.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Time in my life I've ever been compared to Winston's.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
He is saying he relishes the censure from certain people.
And I think that having someone what we're learning about
Fauci and how you were in his mind, one of
his great antagonists, I think it speaks well of you.
But let me ask you this, but there's a look, yes, let.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Me make a point about this because it's important, you
know what what what Fauci was trying to do. But
putting aside me personally, yeah, it's for a member of
the president's sort of cabinet to tell the president to
shut someone up and take away their free speech rights.
That's a pretty dangerous thing, it really is.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
So that this leads this question, there's a lot of
people that are going to be frustrated that they think
there's people that have been charged and even gone to
jail for a lot, whether it's lying under oath in
front of Congress or a court, if it's if it's
some of the things that you've seen fauci. Do you
don't think he's lying to his own personal diaries, which,
by the way, he did on a government server as
a government employee. So it's not like someone rated his
(15:36):
nightstand for his personal journal. But the things he admits
privately contradicting and even lying the public, and all the
things he did publicly. People would like to see this adjudicated.
They'd like to see him charged, but I don't know
that that's going to happen, Stephen. Is it still important though,
that the curtain was pulled back and this kind of
transparency on this guy, even his fascination with celebrity and
(15:59):
his opinion of himself. Was this important even if you
don't see charges and you see him thrown in jail.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Yes, it was really important because now we know, we
know that he was a fraud all along, and he
is sort of the Benedict Donald of our time. I mean,
he did great, great damage to our country with his misinformation,
and he did lie about these things, and so it
is important to set the record straight. And yet I
read the New York Times this morning and they're saying,
(16:28):
I'm not making this up. They're saying that Ran Paul
is like guilty of McCarthyism. Yeah, for going after and
come on, what are you talking about. This guy commits
one of the climes of the century and we call
him out for it, and then you know, we're guilty
for calling him out on his misinformation. So this was
important hearing and it was important for the American people
(16:50):
to see this man shamed like that because we don't
we can never let this happen again, No, we can't.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Steve, I saw this on the the email that went out,
the newsletter that went out this morning. Yeah, it is
absolutely amazing to see how the media in this country
fawned over this guy. I mean, it's unbelievable. He could
do no wrong in their eyes. See, that's amazing.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Yeah, I very rarely see such a love affair. And
you know, these people were they wanted to believe what
he was saying because a lot of us was Trump
derangement syndrome back in twenty twenty and so they finally
had somebody fanning up to Trump and then he and
I remember talking to Trump and he couldn't really fire Trump.
(17:36):
He wanted to, but he'd becomes such a hero that
you know, he Trump felt like he couldn't fire, and
I wish he had that we would have been much
all better off. But even Deborah Brooks, who was also
a co conspirator, this is now sort of separating herself
from Fauci, but do you remember her, she also was
complicit in this. She was a villain as well.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah, the scarf. Rush used to call her the scarf queen.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I just noticed today that she's coming out, She's coming
out insane that Blue states overclosed during COVID.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I mean that now she does it well, by the way,
just you know, I should say that one of the
smartest things Trump did was he said, look, let's let
the states decide what to do, how they want to
handle this. And that was brilliant because what happened was
the Blue states all stayed locked down, and states like
Utah and states like Florida and Texas and Tennessee in
(18:29):
a very judicious way opened up their economy. And if
it hadn't been for that, the entire you know, states
like Utah and Texas and Florida that carried the rest
of the economy on their shoulders by staying open. So
thank god you had great leadership, and you know, you
guys are. How is Draways number one on everything. It's
just an amazing thing.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
We were just named best state in the country four
years were all by newsweek or no US news report
over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Steve, we got to be doing something right.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Well, you are, and it's a serious point. You know,
thanks to states like Idahoa and Utah in Texas and
Florida and the Carolinas, they stayed open while the other
states completely shut down and there was no difference in
the death rates. That's the amazing thing, because the best
thing to do is get people outside.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
You know.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
The worst thing you can just keep sequester people in
their homes, no fresh air, no exercise. You know, you
had increases in suicide rates, you had increases in alcoholism,
drug abuse, all of this stuff because people that it
was a horrible time for people.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Steve Moore joining us on our Newsmaker line. Steve has
always thank you very very much. If we can stand it,
Greg when we come back, we'll give you an example
of the praise the media heaped on Anthony Fauci.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Yeah, get your barf bag. Going to say, get your
barf bag.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Don't be anywhere where if he gets sick. It's going
to be uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, that's coming up. O.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
They're rod A Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh
five nine. Can a right third hour the Rotti Greg
Show with you on this Thursday afternoon here in Utah's
Talk one five nine k n RS live everywhere on
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Speaker 1 (20:05):
I'mre at Arquet Citizen, Greg Hughes.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
You know, I forgot to bring this up yesterday. We
mentioned it was Steve Moore a while ago about the
fact that US News and World Report ranked Utah the
best state in the country for the fourth year in
a row.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
There was articles are you tired of winning yet? I mean,
we win so much.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Well, I wanted to talk about one of the losers, California. Yeah,
they're like forty second or forty third. I mean that
state is so beautiful, yeah, and the weather is so fantastic.
There's so many wonderful things there. Yet they just can't
get their act together. There are many problems.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I mean, their economy is larger than most I.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Should have heard, the fifth largest in the world.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
And so and like you say, the weather that is
so ideal that you have to you have to be
incredibly bad to chase people out of the state of California.
It has to be, I mean, because it had so
much going for it, but now it is the land
of the damned. I swear it is Tijuana. I don't
even further.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Don't get started. They just think the whole.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Beach San Diego area is a toilet now because the
Tijuana someone someone to do something about it. Yeah, they
need me to come down there again. Why I have
to do this by myself down there. I literally have
to put this issue on my back and carry it
across the finish line. Get something done with Lee's Eldon
and California and everybody else. California, Mexico shouldn't be able
to do this.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
He's trying, trying. It's trying to hurry up, all right.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Uh. Later on in the show, We're Aldring, did you
are you aware what happened at the w NBA game
up in Seattle last night?
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I am not.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I don't follow the w W w n B A
very closely, Rod, so I'm unaware of the goings on.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well, there were two teenage girls who showed up and
I think had a front row seat at the game,
and they wore the T shirts exact X.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Y okay, and Held that's about chromosomes.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Held Held signs up saying we support you Sophie, because
Sophie cunning Am has come out in favor of saying
boys should not be allowed in girls' bathrooms or in
girls sports, right, getting a lot of heat for that. Well,
the part owner of the Seattle team came up to
these kids and let them have it.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
How old were these kids, I.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Want to say about fourteen fifteen, maybe sixteen maybe, And
the one of the owners of the part owner of
a team came up and went after Yeah, that is terrible. Yeah,
well we'll get into that. I don't know if you'd
heard that story yet, obviously not, but it's quite a story.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
You know. Maybe that league is just not ready for it,
so it doesn't know how to handle, uh being a league.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
It's shooting itself from the foot every day. Yeah, they
got a star like Caitlyn, Caitlyn who's out there.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
And they they make it just sickening to watch how
they treat her. And it's really racial. It is really racial.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
It is too.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I don't know that the WNBA. This is why they
can't have nice things like ratings and revenue, like money yeah,
I just don't think they're ready for they can't have it.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Well, speaking of that, there was a case back east
earlier this year or last year, late last year where
a jury awarded a woman who went through a transition
surgery millions of dollars in blaming the doctor. And you
know there are other cases like that now, so we
thought we'd check in to see how are D transitioners
(23:30):
faring in medical now practice cases around the country. And
joining us on our any hour Newsmaker line right now
is Tyler Roneial. He's been looking at this, tracking some
of these cases. Tyler, thanks for joining us. What have
you found out?
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Yeah, so thanks for asking and thanks for having me.
The D transitioner phenomenon is continuing to grow, and that's
because you know, I think many of us can instinctially
grasp that these these so called transition so called treatments
are inherently dangerous, nefarious, and usually damaging. And so the
(24:09):
idea that it is somehow smart to put someone on
drugs to make them appear like the opposite sacks and
that that wouldn't harm them is it self questionable. But
now we're starting to see these cases come into court
and you know, as as you noted, you know, in
New York there was a jury awarding a D transitioner
(24:31):
two million dollars. In Oregon there was another D transitioner
medical malpractice claim that was settled. And so we're we're
seeing these pop up across the country. And I had
the pleasure of sitting down and talking with Josh Paine,
who is the founding partner of the law firm that
exists to represent D transitioners, and he just went through
(24:55):
a whole bunch of cases. I think many of us
are familiar with the name Chloe Cole.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, she's the.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
D transitioner who, unfortunately, you know, she went through a
double mastectomy at the age of sixteen. She's suing Kaiser
Permanente and her trial has been scheduled for April of
next year. And you know, there's there's a woman in
Washington whose case is also scheduled for next year, Luka Hine,
who's a D transitioner suing the University of Nebraska for
(25:25):
removing her breasts at sixteen. Her trial is also scheduled
for next year. And you know, many of these cases,
you know, we have a bunch of trials that are
scheduled for next year, and yet you know, those are
the cases that are moving ahead to trial. Before you
get to trial, you often have to overcome these procedural hurdles.
(25:47):
So the biggest procedural hurdle that d transitioners are running
into is the same issue that you know. For good reasons,
there are a lot of statutes of limitations that say
that if you're suing for medical malpractice, you have to
do so within a certain amount of time to make
sure that the case can actually be litigated, that the
(26:10):
truth can really come out. This is generally a positive law,
but when it comes to detransition in particular, it has
negative consequences often because when you go through transition, you.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Harm your body, and then later you realize that you
had harmed your body and that these these people have
been committing malpractice on you. Usually you don't come to
that realization until years later. And so one of the
big hurdles with these detransition cases is that a lot
of them are past the statute of limitations. And we
(26:45):
have states like Texas where the legislature is aware of
this and they file they passed a law explicitly extending
that statute of limitations to allow D transitioners to sue,
and so they're there's this very important you know, soorn
Aldaco is one of the D transitioners, and uh, that
(27:07):
case survived the Texas the statute of limitations issue. But
then there's there's one aspect of it that's remaining. And
there there was one case with Priscia Moseley, who the
North Carolina legislator had legislature had passed a law extending
the statute of limitations, and yet a judge nevertheless ruled
(27:32):
against her. So that case is on appeal. There's this
really important ruling from the Supreme Court of Texas upholding
sorn Aldocco's case despite you know, you know, despite these
statute of limitations issues, and hopefully that will open the
(27:52):
door for more of these de transition cases to make
it all the way to trial.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Let me ask you this question about statute of limitations,
and maybe my memory's not serving me quickly, but I
thought the state of New York, I think it was
New York decided to retroactively extend the statute of limitations
for sexual assaults, and I think that that became a
dragnet that grabbed a lot of high profile celebrities things
like that, not that New York is our north star
for good legislation. However, if you're talking about sexual assault,
(28:19):
having the statute of limitations either opened up or removed
whatever was the case, wouldn't the de transitioners be Haven't
they earned that chance to be able to adjudicate this,
knowing how many years it takes to understand what's happened
to them.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Yes, most definitely. And that's why you know, with that
New York statute limitations issue, that was a limited window
that they opened cases for older cases to be brought back,
and of course you know it did ensnare one particular
celebrity who currently resides at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. But
(28:56):
you know, when we're looking at these detransitioner cases, I
think there's a really good case to be made for
laws being set on the books to permanently extend statutes
of limitations in the cases of detransition just because it
is such I mean, from my perspective, it is such
an egregious malpractice of medicine, and if it is rightly
(29:22):
considered to be, you know, really really the negative effect,
the negative force that I think it is legislatures should
make make those statutes of limitation extremely long or have.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
You know, have and they should They shouldn't be doing
this because New York did that for sexual assault, although
I do think you know your right to bring that
up because it provides a good example and a good
reason to say, like, look, if they did it on
this issue, why can't we.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Do it on this Yeah? Good point, Tyler.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
What about you mentioned the legal issues, the physical issues
that these these de transitioners go through, but what about
the emotional issue of making that decision. I'm going to
fight this. I want I want to go back to
where I was before the surgery. I mean, how big
of a challenge is that for many of these people.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Oh, it's it's a humongous challenge. It's a herculean effort,
and it takes extreme courage. So I think one of
the things that we often you know, when people on
the left talk about persecuted minorities, are those who, you know,
those who are isolated from society, those who have a
(30:36):
lot of strategic disadvantages.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
There is no group in my mind that is more
disadvantaged than d transitioners. Because you already had. You know,
many of these people are struggling with other mental health
issues that are often the underlying cause in many cases
of gender dysphoria in the first place. And then what
(31:00):
happens is they go through this medical pathway where people say, oh,
this is part of your your mental issues, and we
we're going to dismiss all your other mental issues and
say transgender identity is the main one. We're going to
solve that, We're going to affirm you, and then we're
going to change your body.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
What this does.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
It has a one to two punch of harming your
physical body and then also worsening your mental health problems.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah, boy, what a what an issue this is.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And I wish these these detransitioners all the success in
the world in these medical malpractice.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
It's a tough it's tough to see. And I and
I and I think we're going to say, I don't
I don't think we're in the middle of it. I
think we're in the beginning of it.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Oh, very yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
There's going to be a lot there's gonna be a
lot spoken about time where this was allowed and all
the consequences we're going through because of it.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
We have just scratched the surface, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
More.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Coming up Rod and Greg with you on this Thursday
and Talk Radio one O five nine K and r
S final half hour to spend with us, and we
get to spend it with you The Rod and Greg
Show on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine kN
r S Live Everywhere again on the iHeartRadio app. I'm
Rod Arquet, Citizen Greg Hughes. All right, we were talking
(32:17):
earlier about the use of profanity. Uh, did you ever
swear in front of your mom or your grandmother?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
No, my grandmother. My mother might have heard me bit,
but my grandmother never did.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I don't think I ever did in front of my parents.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
No.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
No, you know, we're we're we're. We were raised in
the age of washing your mouth out with soap.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I heard the saying never had.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
It you never had it done. I think I did
once or twice.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I watched what was it? What's the movie with Fralfie
where he hits his mouth washed?
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Oh? Yeah, the Christmas Story.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, Christmas Story. That's the closest I've been to Wally.
I've seen it, but I've never heard. Well, I heard
the saying never happened.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
They did it differently than my mother did to me.
I mean, you know on the Christmas Story.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
What they saw soap, the pump, they pump it in
their mouth.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Then she just shoved the bar in the boy's mouth. Right,
My mother say oh your mouth, and she'd scrub my tongue.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
It's tough, tough family, tough background. Well, we bring this
up because you know a great question in this next article.
In our guest Uh posed this question, how do you
know you're an adult?
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Greg?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Some people will tell you that I have yet to
achieve that status. Some call Peter Pan syndrome, that you
never grow up. I would say for me eighteen, I
graduated from after I was eighteen. But when I graduated
from high school, I was out. I didn't. I would
visit my family, my mother, but I would I never
lived under the roof of my parents a parent again.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Well, joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about
this is Naomi Schaeffer Riley. She is a resident fellow
at the American Enterprise Institute, writing about the ever changing
definition of adulthood and his costs. Naomi, Greg and I
were talking earlier about you know, and he just mentioned
when we're eighteen, we're gone. I mean not that we
didn't I didn't like our parents, those who help bring
(34:11):
us up, but we wanted to get out on our own.
That has changed nowadays, what has happened, So, I.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
Mean, I think it's become very muddled for young adults today.
You know, you can see this in other ways too,
that they're not longing for independence in the same way.
There's been a huge decline, for instance, in the number
of young people who are getting driver's licenses. And certainly
when I was a kid, you know, everybody couldn't wait
for the day that you're eligible to get your driver's
license and have that sense of independence. And now I think,
(34:39):
you know, for a variety of reasons that include technology
and the just different relationships with their family, that young
adults are not longing for that independence in the same way.
But I think it's kind of sneaking up on them
that they do reach a point where they want that,
but you know that the barriers are not so clear,
and our society has all different kinds of markers for
when you reach young adulthood, like is it when you
(35:01):
go to college, is it when you finish high school.
Is it when you move out of your parents' house?
Is it when you can afford your own place. Is
it when you get a job or have kids, or
when you can drink or smoke or any of these things.
We have different ages when you can enroll, you know,
enlist in the army. So I think there are just
a lot of different ways that we mark that. But
it's very unclear for young people, and I think they're
(35:22):
not longing for it as much, but I think later,
I think they really need those boundaries.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
So fifteen plus years ago, I sat in a seminar
and our premier research institution, a higher learning has what
they call a brain institute, and what they described was
that human beings have this strange around laid out adolescents,
the desire to leave the nest. They want to give
up their roof like rot. By the way, did you
hear Rod say that we're very similar? I just Naomi,
(35:48):
did you hear him say that? Because that's a moment
for him to compare the two of us is very similar.
This doesn't happen very often on the Rod and Greg Show,
but I think I heard him say that, Yeah, yeah, Okay,
he said it, okay, So Rod and I my life
followed this pattern that was described that we will leave
and we're more apt to take risks. We were at
this age where you take risk, and interestingly enough to
(36:09):
tobacco industry keyed in on this and this is where
they would market tobacco because young people were more interested
in smoking at that time where they were willing to
take on more risk as they were leaving the nest.
Has our environment changed that is, was that never the
case or has the environment changed the human nature to
want to leave the nest at a certain age.
Speaker 7 (36:30):
I don't think human nature has changed exactly. I mean,
I do think that our environment has influenced things. So,
like I mentioned technology, I mean, I think that what's
happened is that, you know, sort of the phones have
sort of allowed people maybe to sort of have the image,
the kind of illusion of having independence, Like they have
(36:52):
this little device and they seem to be having relationships
through it, but they're not having those in person interactions.
But it can sort of entertain them in a way
in their living room that they feel maybe they don't
need to get out as much. I also think, obviously
parents are supporting kids for you know, a longer period
of time. I mean, you know, even thinking about like
(37:12):
how long young adults today are on their parents' health insurance.
I mean, you can be on your parents health insurance
till twenty six today, Like is that are you still
a kid? I mean the number of parents I know
who are paying for their cell phone plans of their
twenty five or their thirty year olds. So I think,
you know, parents are definitely partly to blame here for
(37:32):
the helicoptering and sort of wanting to be their kid's
best friend as well. So I think those things are
sort of giving young people the illusion that they don't
need to set those boundaries and that they don't need
to create independence, and that, you know, leads to what
I was, you know, sort of responding to in my article,
which was this estrangement crisis young adults who are cutting
(37:54):
off their families, and I was trying to kind of
figure out why that is. And I think part of
it really is that they're kind of flailing. They're looking
for a way to create boundaries, but they don't know how.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah, what are your thoughts on this? Because you're right
about this. I was going to ask you about this
whole estrangement study showing or was it one in ten
or a strange from a parent or a child. Some
people are blaming it on therapists who are telling them
leave your family. I mean, what do you make of
all this, Naomi?
Speaker 7 (38:20):
Yeah, it's so disturbing. You know. I think that there
are just, you know, there are, unfortunately people who are
advising these young people, whether they're therapists or their friends
or other adults, who are just saying, you know, oh,
it's not worth it. You know, you've experienced some toxic childhood,
You've experienced some trauma during your youth, and so you
just need to cut these people out of your life.
(38:43):
I think that there is a little bit of kind
of our toxic politics that's at work here. You know,
this whole discussion of like, you know, how you shouldn't
even invite the relatives that you disagree with to Thanksgiving dinner.
I mean, you should just cut them out of your life,
that they're so wrong and it's not worth it. And
I think that message is definitely trickling down and you're
seeing more and more people just literally saying I want
(39:05):
nothing to do with my parents, and it's very disturbing.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
You know, I've observed something an anomaly that over the
course of my life, but it might be anecdotal. I'm
wondering if you've seen this or if this has been tracked.
Sometimes you see young young kids that are young adults
or adolescents in a home rebel. They want they do
want to be a strange they want to run away,
they want to do something. But in the if you
go forward fast forward three four years, they don't launch.
(39:31):
They actually stay home longer. The ones that wanted to
sneak out, wanted to run away, didn't want to be
at home, actually stay home longer. Is there something to
that or is that just random?
Speaker 5 (39:42):
You know?
Speaker 7 (39:42):
I just I think that there's like a productive way
of you know, declaring your independence in a not productive way.
So I mean just sort of you know, you know,
stomping your feet and saying, you know, I hate you
and then just sort of staying put is kind of
one thing that's happening, you know. And I think the
young people who will launch or sort of saying like,
you know, I'm going to take these steps to prepare
myself to be financially independent, to be sort of you know,
(40:06):
emotionally mature enough to leave the nest, and that's a
whole different approach. There was a funny book title, I
can't remember the exact title from a few years ago
about kind of teenagers and it was called like I
Hate You, Mom, Now Take me to the mall. And
I think it sort of, you know, sums up a
little bit of you know, that that feeling that you know,
(40:27):
young adults have that they are they do want independence,
but they are you know, very much tethered to the
adults in their life for things. And so the question
is kind of how do you navigate that relationship so
it does become a productive, you know, growth, and that
you are able to sort of leave home and fend
for yourself.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Naomi, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Naomi Shaeffer Riley Resident Fellow is the American Enterprise Institute.
Talking about adulthood yep. And if it did exist anymore?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Well, did I tell I, you know, when I was
in Popey game, Third World country? Yes, yes, so you
know it's there. Had they barely had a just criminal justices,
but they were endeavoring to have one. Well, the judge
in determine whether they had before them a minor or
an adult would ask for the defendant to raise both
(41:20):
their arms, and if the judge could see hair the
arm pits, then that was an adult. And if it wasn't,
or if there was just a little bit, then it
was a minor.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
And that was that was the test for you did
this with both sexes?
Speaker 1 (41:32):
No, this is got These are the men. I don't know.
I don't know about the women. It might have been
some other developments that might have made that the case
or not. But it guys, stick up your arms in
the air, Okay, you're an adults. Literally that was Yeah,
I don't really, I don't know, but that that was
how they did it. That's how they did it. Was
a bit primitive, but it seems pretty you know, it
could work.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
All right.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
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