The Rod and Greg Show: Discriminatory Diversity Initiatives; Senator Mike Lee on SAVE Act

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Are these the dog days of summer?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Is that what they I don't think you hit the
dog days of summer until August August, so it's just
hot July.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Lots, it's warm out there, but we're pre we're pre
uh you know, Pioneer Day days forty seven, so we're
still kind of you know, between fourth of July and
Piner Day. I always felt like the All Star Game
was kind of half my summer was half over at
the All Star Game, which just happened, you know, happened.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
But I think I think Pioneer Day marks the end
of summer.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
End of summer. Yeah, for end of summer.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, because you get into August, schools back in the session,
they start gearing up for football. I mean, if you
think about it, I mean you get.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I think the exhibition games in the early early two
weeks than two.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Weeks, wow, is the Hall of Fame game for the NFL.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
As much as I love football, I I and I
and falls fine, but it just means winters coming. And
I love this. I love spring, and I love summer.
I don't like and I can handle the fall. But
all the fall means is every day is getting shorter
and it's only gonna be cold, and I don't know,
I don't yah.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Speaking of football, did you see the layoffs that ESPN
is going through. I mean they're I mean ESPN is
now combined with the NFL network, so they're looking at
it going we don't need all these people. No, and
Cam Newton got canned good Okay, uh, I think it's
name Ryan Clark.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Ryan Clark, who was a Steeler, who was a great
football player, but he is such a big mouth and
a liberal. He just sees the whole world in color
and in denity politics. And I'm so happy he much.
I liked him as a player. I'm so glad to
see he got the pink slip.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
The one that surprised me. Carl Ravage.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, wow, that's it. That's that's actually.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
He's been there thirty thirty five years by Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, that's a that's a tough one.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, it is. So Well, We've got a great show
lined up for you today. We're going to talk a
little sports. Coming up, we'll talk about Caitlin Clark in
the WNBA on that entity politics. We'll also talk about lawsuits.
Victims of child abuse. Right now in this state can
file we'll dig into that. We'll talk with a state
lawmakers who are trying to check We've got a lot
of other things to get to, Greg, but before we

(02:03):
start off today, you and I look at the Unleashed
Prosperity email that we get from Steve More every week.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
I always love Steve the the email because he usually
has a funny cartoon or a great quote in there. Right, yep,
he did today. This from Milton Freeman. You don't know
who Milton Freeman in is, huh? Find out because many
people consider him the world's best economists, at least in
the last century. Easily, right, This is what he said.

(02:33):
I love this. If you put the federal government in
charge of the Sahara Desert in five years, there'd be
a shortage of sand. If you put the federal government
in charge of the Sahara Desert in five years, there'd
be a shortage of sand. And I could just hear
him saying that.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, no, and it's so true.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Put the government in charge of anything and they just
ruin it.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, they'll just consume it.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Something.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
All right, let's talk about Democrats eating crow and admitting
that the trump'ster was right.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, Well, you got to play these moments because they
hardly ever exist, because it's like an admission that their
self worth is gone if they ever admit that Trump's right.
So you're not going to get this very often, even
when he's obviously right. They'll live in denial forever. But
we have an example.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
I have two examples.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
We have examples to say, you know what, he got
it right, we had it wrong. Yeah, it's hard to
yeaht believe you think it's done with blue screens and mirrors.
This is some special effects we're about to play. But no,
this is really that.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
No.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, first of all, let's talk about New Jersey.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Last Thursday, the President laid out in twenty twenty five minutes,
I think a real strong case that elections in this
country are vulnerable.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yes, because of.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
A lot of issues. Right, voter data sometimes compromised, Chinese
hacking it. You know, China hacking it. You're right. But
now it comes along New Jersey's governor Mike Lee chryl Okay,
and she has been forced to admit that after reviewing
the state's voter rolls. Are you listening, Dietra? After reviewing
the state's voter rolls, it turns out thousands of non

(04:13):
citizens are registered to vote in New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yes, but there's more to this story. Yeah, I mean
the details here are disturbing because of this shared the
details sixty six folks of the sixty six hundred that
they themselves. So the governor of New Jersey, she gets
up to the podium and she says on her own
with that, because they refuse to cooperate with the DJ.
It turns out sixty six hundred non citizens have been

(04:39):
given in New Jersey the right to vote. Now, she says,
for only four hundred of them have and we don't
think there's any race they could have decided with those
four hundred, so it's it's still not that big of
a deal. Here's the part she didn't really say that
that's the most disturbing. When they filled out whatever state
format I think it's their driver's license, they asked the
fundamental question, are you a US citizen? The sixty six

(05:03):
hundred she's talking about checked no.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
All of them said no.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
One hundred people who are foreign born who are not
US citizens checked the box that said no, and they
had the right to vote. Now, you tell me if
you didn't get the word no right in the form,
and they say, it's a glitch in the computer. What
software are you using when they lie? And they say
yes when they're not, when they're not US citizens and

(05:28):
they're voting. So you can't really tell me that they
only had sixty six hundred foreign born non US citizens
voting in New Jersey. That was sixty six hundred people
that came clean and said no, I'm not a US citizen.
And then they said, surprise, you get the vote now.
Of the ones that wanted to vote and didn't want
to admit they weren't citizens, how many of them in
New Jersey are running around, we still don't know. And

(05:49):
by the way, when they want to say, oh, four
hundred such a small number, it doesn't really computter. Let's
take four hundred New Jersey residents who voted and say,
your vote got canceled? Are you okay with it? Are
you fine? And you went to the effort of voting,
and someone who was not a citizen canceled your vote,
voted the opposite way. Whatever that you know, if you
knew how people voted, without statistically speaking, four hundred legal

(06:11):
US citizens that live in New Jersey, their vote did
not count.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
But the governor, Greg says, hey, it was a computer error.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, And in the same press commer she said a
computer era, there was a problem here. This isn't this
isn't this isn't a conspiracy, This isn't bad. This is
Trumps still crazy. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, So she's eating a little quote today. And then
we have a Democratic senator today, Greg, you're ready for
this admitting that Donald Trump was right when it comes
to borders.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
This one.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
I have to hear you said this before the show,
but I have to hear.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah. His name is Peter Welch. He's Democratic Senator right
appearing on CNN. Listen to what he had to say
about the border in Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
You know, I think this blame game is just pointless.
The fact is that we have a secure border. President
Trump was right. Press were wrong on that. Also, we
have we have broad bipartisans support. We should deport violent criminals.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Wow. So he says he was right on the border,
and he's right that we should deport illegal criminals in
this country.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
My only question is where has this guy been up
till now? I Mean, it's mighty nice of him to
say now, but you don't think he's being bipartisan and
statesman like now. I think he sees that they're getting
killed in the polls because everyone knows they're wrong, as
they've said, nothing to see here, folks don't worry about it.
So he's coming clean a little bit saying yeah. But
when he says Donald Trump's right, he's like, why are
we quippling overalls? Why are we looking backwards? Let's just

(07:37):
stop looking Donald Trump's okay, let's move on. Yeah. Yeah,
wouldn't you like, wouldn't that be convenient?

Speaker 5 (07:43):
You know?

Speaker 2 (07:44):
My question is now, is he the new target of
the democratic socialists within the Democratic Party because he just
admitted the President was right on border security? Member the
socialists don't want any.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Borders, Yes, they'd like that border oxista.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Is he a new target now for the socialist the
radical left wing in the Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Well, I'm just going to tell you that that you
have to get a lot of Democrats. And I see
him coming out with Andrew Cuomo. You played a number
of clips yesterday starting to come out quickly, and a
lot of them because if you don't, you turn into Fetterman.
Like right now, Fetterman is persona non grata and the
Democrat Party, even though he votes as a Democrat ninety
five percent of you know, with Schumer, it's not his votes,

(08:25):
it's that he doesn't want to wipe out Israel. He
spots a lunatic like Graham Platner when he sees him
and says the guy's nuts, and saying that this al
said guy that's running for Senate and Michigan's crazy. He's
not going to support him, you know. And and so
he's saying these things that a lot of Americans are thinking,
you better get more republic Democrats that sound like they're

(08:46):
ready to call balls and strikes to some degree, I'm
not even saying Fetterman's some you know, really fair down
the middle. He just can't embrace insanity like the rest
of that party can't. They need and he needs company
or else. I don't think the.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Other people, you know, I don't think Fetterman cares. He
didn't care.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
He really doesn't. I actually like it. I actually like that.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
All Right, We've got a lot to come. A busy
Tuesday afternoon here on the Rod and Greg Show in
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Can arrest I
am not a big follower of the.

Speaker 6 (09:12):
W n B.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
A I am not either.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
You know, I don't know if I've watched five seconds
of a w NBA game.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
There's a funny bit where Shane Gillis is in some
big thing and he's like, ladys, gentlemen, when I three
times scoring champion w NBA player in the name's name
and everybody cheers, he goes, actually, that's just my friend's wife.
I just need none of you what I recognize someone
from the w NBA. It was really hilarious.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yes, but I am aware of the story about Caitlin Clark. Yes,
Caitlyn Clark is an unbelievable basketball player in the w
NBA right and came out.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Of college Defenderhie Sophie, which who I really like.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
But her career in the w NBA has been brutal.
She's a great player, but boy are they out together her.
It's it's hard to watch.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
In fact, it's I don't watch a lot of WNBA,
but when you see these highlights and you see these
flagrant files and you see what these players are getting with,
they're they're taking what could be a my Cael Jordan
moment for their league and they're destroying their own league.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, and the league's not even back here. No, I
mean that's what surprises me.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Ailing Clark doesn't do a big good job of backing herself.
She kind of tries almost to a false out of
the frame.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Well this whole story. Our next guest talks about this,
but he also talks about how identity politics enters into
this debate. His name is William Barkley. He's a political theorist,
a policy advisor. William, how are you welcome to the
Rodden Greg Show? Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Hey, I'm doing great.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
How about you.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
It's a pleasure be back with y'all today.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
We're we're we're doing just fine. How do you weave
identity politics into the w NBA and Kitlin Clark? What
do you think is going on there?

Speaker 3 (10:40):
William? Yeah, absolutely so.

Speaker 7 (10:42):
I think that, unfortunately, Caitlin Clark's open abuse is merely
a symptom of America's most rancid modern disease, diversity equity
inclusion or DEI. And in fact, due to the modern
asm of identity politics in America, is clear that any
sufficiently undiverse or wipe can currently be openly abused and
something still less than silence will echo out. There really

(11:05):
won't be any consequences at all. And more importantly, it's
rightly apparent that this pursuit of diversity has been transformed
into a thinly veiled instrument of oppression and a pen
that is now very much used to underwrite the persecution
of any sufficiently white person.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
I'll be happy to get.

Speaker 7 (11:19):
Into that in a little more detail if you'd like.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
So, Yeah, I would like to, because I think that
you see the popularity of say I said, Sophie Cunningham,
where she tries to defend Kaitlyn and she'll go and
she'll push back, and I think a lot of Americans
without even watching a WNBA game, know who she is,
know the kind of role she plays in the W
and MBA and protecting her teammate. What does that mean
for the league? Does that mean that there are people

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that like the teams and the players and they like
someone like Sophie Cunningham and they want to see Kaitlyn
Clark succeed or are they ruining that sport and kind
of chasing away an audience.

Speaker 7 (11:54):
Well, so, I think that what's happened with Kaitlyn Clark
and Sophie Cunningham has become very much a parable first
things that are happening outside in them, and people have
very much identified with it. What we've seen is that,
again due to this modern advent of identity politics in America,
as the legitimacy of any person's social plight and perspective
has very much become a contingent upon their ability to
immediately display this necessary diversity criteria and intersexual location upon

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the so called spectrum of identity. In fact, the modern
gospel of identity politics has decreed that anyone who's sufficiently
undiverse or white is not really incapable of any social
political suffering, but it's actually themselves a source of social
political malays and a locus of oppression. And therefore the
guy's intersexual apostles have situated every white or undivers person

(12:38):
as an enemy to any truly progressive society as well
as an inevitable threat to all democracy and human rights.
And so it's become completely legitimate and even gently encouraged
to abuse and persecute any person in America Sylvie Cunningham,
Caplin Clark included, who don't immediately display the appropriate diversity
criteria and can be at all labeled as white.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well, let me ask this and the abuse that she
is taking and we're talking about Caitlin Clark in the WNBA.
Is it more about race or more about jealousy or
a little bit of both.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Well, I think that.

Speaker 7 (13:09):
What you'd have to really look at is that despite
the fact that Clark is unquestionably one of the WNBA's
brightest young talents and an engine of renewed financial interest
and investment, the w NBA has very much failed to
protect its new start or at all curtailed the physical
abuse that she now consistently suffers. And I think that
speaks volumes.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
So I think you're saying is absolutely true. But then
it asks the two point to two word questions, Then
what does this succeed? Will it keep going this way?
Or does this or is there just a recoil? To
what you've said is if you're a dentity politics, the
world's your oyster. If you're white and you're part of
the majority, then you're the oppressor and we need to
dismiss you. Where do we go in the America or anywhere?

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How do we how do we proceed from here?

Speaker 7 (13:52):
Well, I think that you're very right to invocus term requoil.
I think that what we've seen is that people instead
of embrace the WNB in this storyline with Caitlin Clark
and Sophie Cunningham, they very much shun the NBA and
they're looking for other places to put their money. I
think that the WNBA had a golden opportunity here with
miss Clark, and they botched it. I think that they
forgot that that sports is all very much sports entertainment

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at its core, and watching people beat up on one
of your stars and prevent her from playing the game, well,
that's not entertaining at all.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
But William, isn't it also about the money? They know
if there's abuse here, if she continues to be the story,
that it may bring a lot more eyeballs to the game.
And is that what they're trying to achieve?

Speaker 7 (14:33):
I think it's exactly the opposite. If that is their plan,
I think it's very shortsighted. Yeah, that they're planning to
bring eyeballs on the game, You.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Know, I think it's exactly the opposite.

Speaker 7 (14:39):
I think all of America, if not let's say all
of white America, all of America in fact, and it's
identified again with this storyline, and they very much see
themselves and what's happening. It's happened to very many Americans
on a grassroots level all throughout the modern era, under
the Bond administration and the Obama administration.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
So I think we saw the worst of it, and
you saw it during the Obama just what you just said,
during his administration, Bidenes administration. You look at Trump's first term,
You're looking at this second term. There's a bit of
momentum here that does a second term of Donald Trump
show that this identity politics is a is a you know,
a race off a cliff that it's the road to nowhere.
It's that it doesn't work. Are we going to see

(15:16):
the pendulum swing back and be done with this? Uh,
this movement of identity politics?

Speaker 7 (15:22):
I would like to think so. I would like to
think that everywhere, at least outside the w WNBA, they
realized that that DEI and identity politics are are an abortive,
a necrotic agenda, very much almost the politics of death right.
They've rendered people nothing more than a convergence of identity,
and in doing so, they've rendered identities right and wrong
instead of actions right and that that undermines all of society.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
I think that.

Speaker 7 (15:45):
Nobody right now can forget the tragic case of Arena's
rootskin as well, the young white girl who's really murdered
very recently and very much because the justice system allowed
her killer, because of his race, to be insulated against
any reasonable justice in jail time prior to her murder.
And then there's media silence afterwards.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
You know, Yeah, I was going to ask you about that.
You point this out in the article that we saw
that you wrote about this. The lack of media attention
to this horrific stabbing. I think it was in Memphis,
wasn't it. I believe in Memphis what happened to this
young lady, and I mean crickets from the mainstream media.

Speaker 7 (16:21):
Oh absolutely, some of the most notable media outlets such
as The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, in the
Associated Press, CNN all refused to discuss a Riska's murder entirely.
And I think that this is just again another symptom
of what white blue in America has been forced to
routinely endure.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Over the past decade.

Speaker 7 (16:37):
We even had Black Lives Matter BLM after zaroska is
slaying directly. And this is the dirct quote, right, say,
we have a right to violence. All the pressed people
have the rights of violence. You gotta have the right place,
you gotta have the right time, you gotta have the
appropriate situation. I'm absolutely convinced that this is it. That's
a crazy, appalling thing to say after she was slaying.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Okay, Wellyne, I see a little glimmer of light at
the end of the tunnel. The whole world came together
for the World Cup here in North America, came here,
the whole world comes here, the fans come here, and
the narratives about the United States are positive. People aren't
hating people based on identity politics. There was a different
narrative that I don't know the elitists and the leftists
wanted anyone to know or hear. Did the World Cup

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in that tournament do anything as well to maybe overturn
this obsession with DEI and identity politics.

Speaker 7 (17:23):
Well, I think that it's very hard to hate a
personally looks them in the eyes right when you're forced
to confront their humanity. And I think in a lot
of ways people were forced to confront the humanity of
conservatives for the first time in a decade, right, I mean, yeah,
I think it's easy to say to the conservative or
the American even has become one of the most openly
oppressed and hated minorities of the past five ten years.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Right.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
And I think that that belief, that notion was utterly
shattered when when people who fancied themselves to be modern
liberals and leftists were again forced to confront the modern
conservative and Vieweden to be not so different really more
of a different perspective of the same portrait or painting democracy.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
William always right chatting with you. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 7 (18:04):
Absolutely pleasure, always hapy to be with you guys.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
All right on our nues maker line. William Barkley here
on the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio one
O five nine k n RS. Fortunately this has not
happened in our family, but have one of our children
or even our grandchildren sexually abused. I don't know how
people who have seen their children go through this, how
they stand it. I just oh, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
It's hard, it's hard to think of I don't know,
I'm what I would do that would be it just
be hard. It'd be really really hard to see a
slow moving criminal justice system to see all the what
feels like, all the rules and everything seems to weigh
in the side of the criminal than the victim, and
sometimes victims are completely forgotten in this process. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Well, I have no no tolerance whatsoever for child abusers.
I'm sorry, folks, these are just kids and leaves.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Even the criminals. And there was a code in jail,
as I heard, if you were a child abuser and
you went to jail or prison, you were in for
a bad fate. But I you know, with the way
kids are being attacked nowadays, you don't know if that's
even still the code inside of a prison, that they're
the worst of the worst.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Well, joining us on our news Maker line right now
to talk more about this. She's done a lot of
work on this state Representative Nicoline Peg. She wrote an
op ed page talking about parents deserve tools to hold
predators accountable. She's joining us on our news Maker line.
Representative Peck. How are you welcome to the Rod and
Greg Show.

Speaker 8 (19:36):
Yeah, I'm happy, guys, thanks for having me on today.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Why did you write this opinion piece?

Speaker 8 (19:43):
Well, I've been working on this issue for actually a
lot of years, trying to combat the trafficking movement and
see SAM which stands for child Sexual Abuse materials because
I have a history with it, so not me personally,
I wasn't the victim of c but there were youth
that I worked with as a treatment foster parent who

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had some pretty severe abuse cases, and I saw what
it does to their lives and the lifetime of therapy
and the confusion and the bonding issues and all the
things that they have. And so anyway, I found out
that there were other states who were trying to fix
the problem of across the nation. We have not had

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laws in states that allow for a civil action so
that a person can say, listen, you have ruined my life,
you have sold my picture, you have made me into
a victim of child pornography, and now I'm going to
be in therapy and all this kind of stuff for
all this time that they haven't had a way to

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get any sort of restitution. We can do a criminal
case for these people, but we don't give any restitution
to the victims. In fact, it was really found out
or in hatch back in twenty eighteen, he championed the
Amy Vickian and the child pornography victim Assistants Act back
in DC as a type of a little something to

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throw out there if if victims found out about it,
that they could maybe apply to get something maybe three
thousand dollars or something so that they could help them
with some recovery of their you know, what they've been through,
because he knew that across the nation there was nothing.
So now there's four states that have passed a bill
like this allowing for a civil action against these predators Mississippi, Nebraska, Oklahoma,

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and South Carolina, and I'm really hoping Utah will be
the fourth. We had a really good run with it
this last legislative session that it timed out.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
So representative, you know, finding restitution, and this is an
area that I hadn't really thought of, but it makes
its intuitive to me that there would be restitution for
people that have been harmed this way and there are
these sites that are profiting from this horrific material. Would
it also have a chilling effect if the legal liability
increase is that it would the sites like this wouldn't

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exist because they wouldn't want to be subject to that
kind of severe legal liability. Doesn't have the benefit as
well of maybe ending some of these sites because they
would be held liable.

Speaker 8 (22:15):
I mean, I certainly hope so, Greg, because I feel
like there isn't enough accountability in this space, and so
they're just going out there and doing it. And there's
seven year old girls and six year old boys who
are being sold to people left and right, and then
they're being known as child porn stars, and they're growing
up and killing themselves because they can't escape what happened

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to them and they're not getting the help they need.
We absolutely I think they should be held accountable. This
is you know, this is a really severe situation that
a lot of people, unfortunately, more and more than ever before,
are in this circumstance. Just in Utah alone, in seventy
six percent of the d SAM tips in the state

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of Utah have increased from twenty twenty four to twenty
twenty five. But we had fourteen thousand, six hundred child
sexual abuse material so child porn tips in our state
alone in one year.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Wow. Wow, Representative, this is the state the prides itself
on families, prides itself on loving children. Why don't we
have a lot like this already on the books? What
has happened? Do you think over the years, Why haven't
we done anything about it?

Speaker 8 (23:31):
You know, I don't know why it didn't occur to anybody, really.
I think it just got I think it just got
worse and worse and worse. I think that it was like, whoa,
that's a really gross fringe thing to do, you know,
a perverted thing to do. And people really felt like, Okay,
surely that's going to be the most fringe of the fringe.
Will lock these criminals up, We'll take care of this problem.

(23:54):
But it became a trend. I mean, in my work
at the United Nations, I saw people there trying to
champion the idea that pedophilia was another sexual preference. I
think this idea of sexual abuse of children has become
in some grossly in some circles, in some communities normalized.
In fact, there's a recent television program on Angel on

(24:18):
the vid Angel network all about people who are involved
in this child porn child sexual abuse thing, and they
have actual child porn oppressors on there, and you see
what's in their head, and you're like, oh my word,
this has become too normalized, this is too dangerous, this

(24:38):
is horrible.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
C REBRESENTI have you mentioned that for states Mississippi, Nebraska, Oklahoma,
and South Carolina have passed this legislation for civil liability.
How long have those laws been on the books to
know what kind of positive influence they're having in those states?

Speaker 8 (24:54):
Oh, I appreciate that, and I wish I could tell
you exact years, but they're new. Those are really new,
just to have come in just recent within the last
year or two. So this is just kind of like
this new movement where everyone's like, we why didn't we
handle this? Why didn't we do this? And there were
and there were people petitioning the Supreme courts and petitioning

(25:15):
DC to try to do something, which is why orin
Hatch attempted a little something. But then I think the
message became very strong. Wait a second, why aren't we
putting this on the books in the states?

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Needs Yeah, it was.

Speaker 8 (25:29):
There was a group of people who engage in in
protection of child health who started talking about did you know?
And I was actually at a meeting where somebody said,
did you know that in your state a victim of
child porn can't soon? I was like no, I mean
I was. I was blown away. And I had been
working with children who had been victims of this stuff

(25:52):
and I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Hopefully we can get something done. Representative, thanks for a
few minutes of your time and keep up the good work.
Thank you, Thank you all right, joining us on our
newsmaker line that at stay Representative Nikoline peck Moore coming
up here on the Rod and Greg Show and Talk
Radio one oh five. Die can arrest in the five
o'clock Cower. We'll have a discussion about this. Uh, this fan,
I think it was at a Cubs game and it

(26:16):
was during the national anthem and a kid in front
of him did not stand up.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
He's a teenager, he's not. He's not, he's not.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's like he looks like seventeen. He looks like seventeen eighteen,
really early.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Twenties, his early twenty.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
But the guy slapped him, I mean cuffed him right
on that side.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
And you could tell you he's probably a veteran. He's
an older guy, you know, you know, loves his country.
And he actually asked the kid to get up a
couple of times. Kid doesn't want to do it, so
he gave him a bit on the back of the head.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, we'll weigh in on this here.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Got one of those in the back of the head
from my dad, but not my but not from a stranger.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
My dad never hit me. He gave us the vulcan grip.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Oh that would hurt right here or they chish doesn't hurt, hurt,
but it does get your attention. I'm here to tell
you that's my stepdaddy.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Just real quick. They're the the Supreme Court greg announced
yesterday that they're going to hear a case out of Alaska.
This is a crazy one. Okay. This guy, his name
is Kenneth Jupy, I believe. Uh, he's a bush pilot Okay,
up in Alaska and a guy came there and he
wanted transportation. He want a flight from Fairbanks to a
tiny town called Beaver in Alaska fishing area. Right. Well,

(27:25):
the guy said, sure, here customer, I'll take you out there. Well,
before they took off, for some reason, state police decided
to search his plane. Okay, it's a small bush plane,
bush pilot plane. What they found was a six pack
of beer. Okay, Now, the town of Beaver is dry.

(27:46):
You are not allowed to bring in alcohol into that community, right, Yes,
you know what they did. They seized his plane. So
who had the beer? It's the passenger. The passenger had
the beer, he didn't have a gravel he was Is.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
He aware of these ordinances? No towns.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
But apparently he pleaded guilty the pastor're pleaded guilty to
a misdemeanor. But the state has been holding his plane
since it was seized back in April of twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 2 (28:15):
No? No, And he has been going through a series
of court challenges trying to get his plane back.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
There's someone in is this Alaska?

Speaker 2 (28:24):
You say, yeah, this Alaska.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
There's Alaskan run around at his plane for you know,
for twenty for thirteen years, yeah, fourteen years, fourteen years,
someone's been using his plane. They're just that's not right.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
This stole from him. The Supreme Court has finally said
we're going to take up this case. Yes, and you
know it really a lot of people are saying, this
could really lead to a decision and the future of
civil asset forfeiture. Yes, which we've had a real debate
in this state over have we not let in the
last sure, we had a referendum. We had the people

(28:58):
voted that they did not want the law enforcement agencies
that seized assets to be able to profit and buy profit,
I mean able to sell or monetize them for the
purposes of their agencies. And so that law that would
prohibit that past in the legislature, and I was back
in like two thousand and two. And then later a

(29:18):
couple of years later, a bill was proposed to reverse
that and passed. Yea, not with my vote, by the way,
I did not vote to do that, but it was
reversed in a legislative act. And so we've we've had
we've had robust discussions about asset forfeiture in the state
of Utah, in the state of Utail. Well, this was
the guy who is who's plane was seized. He says,

(29:39):
I'm in my eighties now, remember it was seized back
in twenty twelve. I've been fighting this for over a
decade because I see it as my duty to ensure
the Bill of Rights actually means something in protecting you
against government overreach.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Well, you know, it'd be one thing if if if
it was drugs and the street value of the drugs
were in excess of the man's plane, But a six
pack of beer got that and it wasn't his. It
was the passenger who said Okay, I'm I'm I'm wrong,
I broke the law. I'm guilty, and the guy giving
him the ride is the one that loses his whole
plane for doing it.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah. Nah, four fourteen years.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
It is unreal to me that that that even happened.
But you know, why should I be surprised? It just
doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Well, and it's gone through the courts, and finally he said,
I got We're going to the Supreme Court on this one.
The court accepted, and they're going to take a look
at it this fall.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
You know, it's such an extreme example because probably there's
some cart Narco's out there, cartel guys that you know,
you can't get them on a whole lot, but you
can take their a zillion dollar yacht and maybe use
it to enforce the law. More, but not a six
pack of beer for a for a plane. Wild story,
all right, More coming up our number two. It's on
its way with the Rod and Gregg.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Should the director of this Smithsonian Institute hauled before Congress
today to answer questions about what on earth is going
on at the Smithsonian Institute.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
I would like it better if you said that the
director of Smithsonian institute has been given, you know, their
pink slip, total leads, you know, escorted out of the
building with a box in their hands with all their possessions.
That's what I wish.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
She was so evasive today during this hearing, and of
course here comes Jasmine Crockett. Oh we know and love her.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah yeah, she said she said that the Congressional hearing.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Was a white supremacy hearing.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, yeah, great, yeah, no, that's the that's the problem
and it and even those hearings though they're so performative,
now they're not they're not looking at bills, they're not
amending bills to go on the floor to then debate them.
It's just a bunch of you know, it's just it's
just theater.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
That's what I just don't understand. I mean, to me,
these museums should be a way to celebrate our history.
Now do we have? Are there periods that we aren't
real proud of or issues that we are proud of
but aren't thieves to celebrate America instead of tearing it down. Well, look,
I didn't know what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
So here's what I don't understand. Growing up, nobody whitewashed anything.
It wasn't like I wasn't told what slavery was. It
wasn't like the circumstances around the Civil War wasn't well understood. Okay,
But history in its context and in the time that
these things happened in our country, I thought were presented
in the context of the time they were in and

(32:26):
by the way the time it wasn't acceptable. That's why
we had a civil war. So it's not like America
was sitting on its laurels, never caring, Okay. So and
then you saw the civil rights that you saw. You
see America and its history good and bad. But what
they've done is that they've now said there wasn't any value,
or there wasn't any good reason why the founding fathers

(32:48):
wanted to see this country formed, other than their greed,
other than their their prejudice, other than their racism, that
it was all about profit. There wasn't this you know,
individual liberty that they were pursuing. They've taken a history
with its good and it's bad, and they've just basically
said that everything.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
We see it's all bad.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
It was all one from the worst of motivations, from
the worst of of you know, your your moral failings,
your your intellectual fails, whatever it may be. That isn't
our history. That is not America's history. It's not even close.
But that is what you've what it's it's evolved into.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Well you and you see what these people want they
want to say, and they're saying, now, America started slavery.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Five thousand years have written human history, and you're going
to start and end it with this country.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Give reading in the Old Testament of late there's slavery
all over the place, of course of people. One people
conquers another people and they take them as slaves. It
has been going on.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Like you said, I mean we could there's limitless examples.
But you know one that comes to mind. We talk
about the Spartans and you know increase. You know what
they were a warrior class that you know what that meant.
They weren't farmers. You know what they did. The people
they conquered farmed for them. They were always training. What
they had were slaves who did the things that other

(34:05):
societies they had farmers, they had blacksmiths, they had those things.
The Spartans were just all about fighting. That's all they did.
And the people that did that for them or the
conquered people that they brought in to do it. So
you know, and no one's justifying it. But my goodness,
if all you wanted to say about the Spartans and
that warrior nation and those city states in Greece when
they stopped King Xerxes and the Persians from invading and

(34:28):
just giving enough time at Thermopyla so they could preserve
their histories and everything else, if all you want to
say is they owned slaves. They were just the worst
of human beings. I mean, come onssed, you'd missed the
story there, you'd miss it.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
It is, but interesting to see that focus today. Now
another story this getting I think I saw somewhere like
two million views, is the story of this older man's
at a recent Chicago Cubs baseball game. Okay, they're standing
up for the national anthem, but apparently there was a
younger fan in front of him who wasn't standing and

(35:01):
it upset the guy. Now you you by his age, Greg,
I want to take a guess he's a veteran. I'm
just guessing that's what I guess. We don't know that,
but a video share it on X and now on
our our X page. You want to go take a
look at it. Uh, And what is it we're at.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
I'm looking at it right now, So we link to
it if you if you have X and you want
to see it real quickly, if you go at Roden
greg Show, you'll see the post we posted about ten
minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
But the guy is so upset that the kid's not
standing and it could be and I say a kid.
He could be lateeen's, early twenties. He leans down and
whispers something to him. The kid doesn't stand up. So
what does he do? Give him a little cuff on
the side of the head.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
So here's the Here's I'll take two angles at this one.
The man's a veteran, he's fought for this country where
everyone and I'm looking at at at uh at Wrigley
Field here, and I don't see a soul not stand sitting.
I mean, this is the everybody's standing. I don't see
anyone sitting as far as I can see. Because the
person that recorded this interaction here does take his camera

(36:07):
and show, you know, as much of the park is
the baseball park as he can, So he's showing the
whole thing, and I can't see another individual single individual sitting.
So I think that this kid is an outlier. He
just refuses to stand. And this guy is as a veteran,
so you know, I can see why that would upset
this man who's standing there, who's fought for this country.

(36:30):
But that's where it ends for me, because he does
smack him on the back of the head while he's sitting.
And now the kid doesn't get aggressive, he doesn't come
out of him does. He stands straight up and he
doesn't have a word to say. And then there's some people.
You can see some people weren't really comfortable with that,
and they can see him talking to the kid that
just got some guy that got smacked, and they're kind

(36:51):
of having you can't tell what they're saying, but they
say something to the older guy too, and he's kind
of saying something back. But I don't think it went
over well with the people in the immediate vicinity that
that guy smacked him in the back of the head.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
See, and I think the opposite. I think they stood
there and probably were telling him good job.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Yeah, I don't, I don't know, I don't. I think
I see a point where this guy tries to shake
the kid's hand or to you know, give him a
fist bump like you're okay, Like don't, don't, it's all right,
But I but this guy, I mean this, We want
to bring us up in this hour because part of
you know, some way say you know this, this entitled
kid that doesn't know what day, you know, a day

(37:29):
of wants sitting there and he's you know, not even
respecting the country which affords him so much. Is not
just disrespecting the country that has given him so much,
but the guy behind him, who's fought for this country.
It's a it's disrespectful to him and that he doesn't
This kid doesn't know or care. People might think that's
okay for that guy out of anger to smack in
the back of the head. You'd never catch me not standing.

(37:50):
My grandmother served in World War Two in the Navy.
My my family are veterans and patriots, and so we stood.
I stood proudly. No one ever had to tell me to.
I would never get biffed in the back of the
head for not standing because I would always stand. But
I don't know that I'm okay with some stranger hitting
somebody in the.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Back of the I'm not he had no right to
hit the guy. He could have said, hey, man, stand up,
would you please. He didn't have to.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
He's not knocking them out, No he's not. There's no
bodily harm. He's not bleeding anywhere. He doesn't have a
black guy. But he gets hit in the back of
the head.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
It's a pretty good cuff in the back of the head.
And I think I think the guy was wrong. I mean,
respect him if in fact he's a veteran. Yes, he
fought for this country. We love this country. But unfortunately,
in this country, you do have a right to sit down.
You are not forced to stand up the national anthem.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
It is kind of one of the things that we haven't.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Have you ever found yourself in a situation at a
stadium or a big event people asked to stand and
honor the country with a national anthem. And I've been
to events where they don't put their hand over their heart,
they don't take their hat off, which really bugs me.
I've been luck have you been, You know, I've been

(39:02):
at some of those events where I've looked around, I went,
I just want to say, you jerked, take your dang
hat off.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Maybe because when we do, when the national anthem is
when I've been to any because I've been to a
lot of sporting events growing up. My grandmother told me
to Pittsburgh Pirate games. My whole life, I've always gone.
I still to this day. When that national anthem is sung,
I take my hat off and I stare at that flag.
I don't really look around. There might be people that aren't,
but I don't notice it because I'm singing, you know,

(39:28):
even if it's to myself the national anthem, I'm looking
at that flag. It's a big moment for me. That's
one that's really important to me. I've not I haven't
looked around, so I have never noticed anyone blatantly disrespecting
the national anthem, or not standing for the flag, or
not taking their hat off. But I have to also
say I haven't been really scanning my immediate surroundings when
that happens, because I'm I'm immersed in the moment in

(39:51):
the national anthem. I have, however, been on a campus
when I was young. Really in nineteen eighty eight, I
was you know, I was from Pittsburgh. I drove across
the country to see my friends who were in Provo
going to BYU I bought a BYU shirt, and then
I drove up to see a friend, my dumb friend
d for I was going to Rix. He was signing
up for summer semester. And I offended an elderly gentleman

(40:14):
who had very strong religious convictions of which I was
violating and was unaware that I was, and he got
mad at me, and he touched me. And so I
was walking, Yes, so with my BYU T shirt on,
I was wide shorts on, and I was heaven forbid,
I was walking on that campus barefoot, and I did

(40:35):
not know, and I didn't understand the gravity of the
violation of which I was committing. And an elderly gentleman
who worked or was there, he worked at ricks and
some roll or capacity saw me walking in the grass,
noticed that I did not have shoes and socks on,
and came up to me and point blank range like
right up in front of me, and started poking my chest, saying,

(40:57):
judging from that shirt, you should know the rules around here,
should be pretty.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Well, he assumed duro By, who stoodn't. Yes, and you
should know the rules. You were telling me you can't
you can't go shoe you.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Can walk around there for you. In fact, I remember
when you could not you could wear like you could
wear loafers without socks. It was like the biggest deal,
Like you could you could actually wear shoes without socks.
That was like a big dress code concession that was given.
So you know, once I move after my mission, after
when I lived in Provo, I started to understand the
rules a little bit better. But at eighteen, I had

(41:29):
no idea what this guy was talking about. But I'll
tell you what. Him poking me in the chest. That
wasn't That wasn't well received by me and I and
I didn't strike the man. He was he was elderly,
but he did hear from me that I don't know
what in the world you're talking about, but stop touching me.
And so I watched this video and I don't I
don't think what the man did it was appropriate.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Well I want to hear yea soft yeah right.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
I've got.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Five seven eight zero one zero triple eight five seven
eight zero one zero on your cell phone dial pound
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Your calls and comments coming up on the Rod and
Greg Show flapped a fan at a Cubs game for
apparently not standing for the national anthem. Uh you know.

(42:19):
He basically told the kid, hey, get up and respect
your your country something along those lines. He didn't, so
the kid gave him a tap on the side of
the head or a cuff, whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah, a biff, you call it a biff on the
back of the piff.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
On the head. We want to take your phone calls.
We've also got some comments on our talk back line.
Before we go to our calls, let's listen to a
few of these comments.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Does anybody happen to know whether or not those two
guys were related to each other or even knew each other,
or we just jump into conclusions that they didn't have.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
A clue either one of them. I don't believe were
they related. I don't believe they thought about it in
the story. Doesn't but I thought about that. If they did,
they did want to sit in the same row. So
they're sitting in different So this kid's sitting and they're
not sitting like right in front of each other. He's
so the older guy is behind him in the row

(43:09):
behind Yeah, and I see there are seats around that
aren't full, so it doesn't look like it's a group.
So I would say that that if you're not sitting
on the same row and you're not in there are
seats that you could be sitting there, I would say
that he's not related to him. Here's another coming on
the talkback line.

Speaker 5 (43:27):
Hey guys, this is Nostavo from Moab. That bop on
the head that was nothing. I went to eight years
of Catholic school. I got bopped in the head with
a hardcover book that was nothing. That was a love cap.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
School went eight years of broke kill school. We didn't
get bopped on the head. We got slammed with on
the knuckles with a ruler.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, so hurt. So maybe you should have a higher toll.
Maybe you should see this and go. This kid had
got away easy compared to what the nuns were doing
to you.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
All right, was a guy right wrong? What should be done?
Your reaction to it? Eight five seven eight zero one
zero on your cell phone dial pound two fifteen, say hey,
Ron or leave us a message on our talk back line.
We've got some colors, Greg, Yeah, let's scare colors.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Let's go to Alan Salt Lake City, Al, Welcome to
the Running Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 6 (44:15):
Yeah. I had just retired from the Marine Corps and
went to a Wittenberg University game, uh as a civilian
so to speak, and there was two gentlemen in front
of me. After the announcer announced to stand up take
remove your hats, they just ignored him, and I politely said,
you guys need to stand up and remove your hats.
They still ignored me, so I actually smacked both of

(44:37):
them side to They actually actually they actually stood up,
took off their ball caps, didn't save two words, and
they stayed there at that same seats the entire game
and never said a word. Wow, Now I have no
I have no issues with it.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Were they younger or older than kid guys those students
college teams?

Speaker 6 (44:58):
I would say probably in the twenties. They were probably
juniors or.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
College okay, But after that, they didn't say a thing
to you.

Speaker 6 (45:07):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Maybe this was Alan, Did you go to a Cubs
game recently?

Speaker 8 (45:11):
Al?

Speaker 1 (45:11):
This looks like it might be you, Okay, because this
whole exchange looks like what you just described.

Speaker 6 (45:17):
No, and I'll tell you what. The nuns used to
spack my knuckles too.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Yeah, there we go. The veterans of parochial schools. Yeah,
I am one. You know you understand the stories. Yeah,
books on the head. But let me tell you what.
There were two of them that I recall, knuckles with
a ruler, wow and then nil in the corner, staring
at the wall on linoleum floors.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Man, I don't know what these nuns would have done
to me if I went to a college store. Because
I went to a public school. I got paddled three
times hard in seventh grade. I mean, hold on to
the chair. They get another teacher to witness it, and
they whack hard. I got paddled three separate times in
the seventh grade in a public school. What would those
nuns do? Because those schools they got a little more latitude.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
They do.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yeah, they got a lot of Yeah, man, I don't
know what that one. Our callers they got hit by
a book.

Speaker 6 (46:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, Oh they sump you on the head of the book. Sure,
I've been there, done that too. All right, more coming
up with more erophone calls. On the Tuesday edition of
The Rotting Greg Show. We're talking about the older man
who slapped a fan at the Cubs game for not
standing for the national anthem. You can see the video
on our ex page. More coming up on The Rotten
Greg Show. This video has got more than two million views,

(46:30):
so people are interested in this. It's about an older man.
He's at a Chicago Cubs baseball game being as they're
asked to stand for the national anthem, and this young
man I'm I want to say, late teens, early twenties
in front of him sat during the national anthem. Well,
apparently this man didn't like it. Asked him to get up.
He didn't, and he gave him a loose tap on

(46:52):
the side of the head or a cuff on the.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
S say, that wasn't a tap, it was just a bit.
It is this a hand right across the back of
the head, in the back of the head, his hair moved.
I think he's rave, right. I don't think this kid's
high school kid. I think he might be in his
early twenties.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Could be. But there's a lot of reaction. Did this
guy do the right thing? I don't think he did.
You can ask him to stand up, but you can't
hit somebody.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
So here's what's fascinating roday This this where I'm watching
it and where we've posted it on on our X page.
Rod and Greg at Rod and Greg Show. It's on
a site called Baseball History Nut. So it's not a
it's not a political site. Okay, so it's it's it's
showing stand up or gets smacked, and it shows the
exchange happening. But this is not that I can tell.

(47:36):
It doesn't look like it's a it's a political site.
So you'd wonder what kind of reaction because it has
an audience, it's more broad and they're not coming from
cut from one, you know, cloth politically anyway. The the
reactions have been interesting. Some said love our country and baseball,
but still don't understand why we I hate that one.

(47:57):
Let me find the one I don't like. Here's why.
I I don't agree with the man sitting down with
the national anthem playing I serve this country. I also
don't agree with the man putting hands on him. It
hurts my heart. Our younger generation doesn't love this country
enough to show respect. One guy says, stand up and
give respect to this country. Anyone who hates the US
should be deported and refused all benefits. You'll want to

(48:20):
be a piece of crap. Do it in Samaliya, Iran,
North Korea, China or Russia. You'll be dead in a
week over there if you do. Another one said the
smack was excessive, but needed in this time of disrespect
by those who have no clue. There is a lot
of sympathy for the guy that hit him hit the kid.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Now.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
I'm not in that camp. I find it to be disrespectful.
I think it to be wrong. But if and again
the one talkback Life says, are they related? Now, if
that's his grandfather, I'm okay. Then all of a sudden,
I'm like, Graham, just hit me in the back of
the head, and none, I would be fine.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
But we don't think it is.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
They're sitting in different rows and are not sitting I mean,
they're just not right adjacent to one another. And there's
enough seats that looks like if you were with a
family member, you'd be sitting closer to them. So I
don't believe he knows he knows him. I can see.
I just don't. I don't approve it. I don't. I
don't think anyone should be hitting anybody else, period. I
don't don't don't hit me, don't touch me, And I

(49:21):
don't touch you. How about I got it.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
I got it, Okay for not standing during the national
anthem like this kid does. Does that equate to burning
the American flag, which I can't stand.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Yeah, you know, I think this is a more passive
protest or just I don't care. This is more of
a maybe but apathy, not a not a proactive way
of protesting this country. But maybe he's apathetic. But I'll
tell you, I can see why it would offend people,
but not to the point where you actually touch a
stranger and hit him in the back of that Now,

(49:54):
if you tapped him on the shoulder, just to when
you talk about touch Hey, you know, please stand up.
You see this whole stadium. You see what's happening here.
There's kind of a trend going on. You want to
be you want to be part of this. You live
in this country. I think you can. I mean, even
then he wants to share his opinion. But if you
want to tap him on the shoulder, but he smacks
him right in the back of the head, kid just
stands up. One guy said, and he must be an
older guy, he says. The stadium asked all who were

(50:16):
so he was. It must have been attendants to the game.
The stadium asked all who were able to stand, uh,
remove your hat and say yes, and he said they
sang God Bless America and then the anthem that means
this kid sat down that whole time. And he says
he earned it. My knees are gravel even I stood
for both. Okay, so it's you know, it's it says.

(50:41):
It's another another comment. It was pretty common when I
was younger to get put in check by older men
for being disrespectful. We had a lot less disrespectful uh
people running around back then. I would agree with that too,
I think.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Let me tell you what I bet greg after World
War Two, those veterans who came home during the fifties
and sixties, early part of the sixties, they saw people
disrespecting the flag. They did not put up with it.
They'd just come home from a war that changed the world,
and they weren't about to tolerate it.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, this is kind of my sentiment here. It says
it would have been a whole problem. It would have
been a whole It would have been a whole problem.
Whether they stood or not doesn't matter to me. But
put hands on somebody. That would have been the last
time doing that if it were me. I mean, I
don't want to be I mean, I don't think you
should be able to. I don't think you got to
hit people. I mean, I don't. I don't think you
should hit someone, especially anyway. I just I think that's

(51:36):
the here a guy said. I stood for the spar
Star Spinkle banner every time it's been played in my
presence over seven decade, over a seven decade life, because
I revere the US, and because I revered the US,
the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Second Inaugural, on
all the rest. I hope the old guy gets arrested.

(51:57):
It's not his right or his place to forcibly pose
his conscience on someone else. He's he's the one disrespecting
the flag and the freedom it represents, not the guy
who refused to stand. I think the guy is welcome
to share his opinion if he wants. I mean, I'm
a grown man, and I don't I want people to
stay out of my business. That I'm not. If someone
wants to volunteer their opinion to me, and I didn't

(52:17):
ask for it, I don't know that I would be
great with that either. But that's an exchange. But when
you hit someone, you went to a different level.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
You cannot touch anybody like you experienced. He's someone poking
you in the chest.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah, poking me in a chest because I was walking
barefoot on Rick's College and I didn't know. I had
no idea that I was violating the rules. I didn't know.
And so the guy poking me in the chest, yelling
at me, it just didn't didn't put me in the
right mindset, you know what I mean. Well, I didn't
touch the guy back. I didn't. I just told him
better quit poking me touch me. Yeah, I don't know

(52:50):
what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, all right, let's go to the phones. See what
you have to say tonight. Uh here on the Rodding
Greg Show. Let's go to Cageville and here from Ron Ron,
how are you welcome to the sh show?

Speaker 6 (53:02):
Good?

Speaker 3 (53:02):
How are you fellows doing tonight?

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Wonderfully? Thank you.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Longtime listener, first time caller. Love you guys. I think
you're awesome. I gotta admit I have not seen the
video yet, so keep that in context. All right. Yeah,
I turned fifty year olds in fifty in February. I
know you guys are a few years older than me.
At what point did we decide a couple of years

(53:28):
right now? Sorry, at what point did we decide it's
not okay to give a little slap in the back
of the head. I'm not like assault the guy. Get
his attention, give him to my contact, let him know. Hey,
come on, we're American. What are we doing here? Let's go?
When did that go to the wayside?

Speaker 6 (53:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I know, I know, Ron, you know I expected it
would be challenged a bit. I hear what you're saying. Ron, Look,
I would be more comfortable if these are family members.
This is grandpa looking at grandson saying, are you kidding me?
I wouldn't think that's successive at all. I think there's
a there's a that space is there their family? I
think it's when it's a stranger, that's where to me,

(54:12):
you've crossed.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
But I'm going to agree with Ron a little bit
on this one.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
I think years ago, it would have been perfectly perfectly acceptable. Yeah,
matter of fact, matter of fact, my parents would have
said he should have hit you harder.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Yeah, no, you know what, and Ron's probably seen it right,
And we just have too many phones with cameras and
videos on now watching all this stuff you know, and
then and drawn all these conclusions.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
No, Ron, very good point, Thank you for calling, thank
you for listening. Being a first time caller, You're welcome
call back any time. But I think Ron is right.
Years ago this would not have been news.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
No, No, I yeah, I get it. I just maybe
I'm still seeing it from the prism of being the
kid who got poked by the old, crazy old man
you are. So that's where I'm That's where I'm coming from.
But you know what, to Ron's point, wasn't a five
alarm fire. No one's calling the cops. No, nothing ever
happened other than me telling me he's crazy and he

(55:05):
better quit touching me. But but you know, this wasn't
It wasn't like when that happened. You know, it wasn't viral.
People weren't opining forever about it. It would just it's
probably happened a million times before and after.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
I got I would imagine, So yeah, I still didn't
like it. All right, more of your calls and comments,
your talk about comments coming up on the Rotten Gregg
Show in Utah's talk radio one oh five nine can arrests.
Interesting responses.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
About this the collective will that.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Fan who hit another Cubs fan because he didn't stand
up for the national anthem?

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (55:40):
This comes from one of our listeners. It is clear
you two have never served. We never had. He's right,
said my dad has I have grow up here. I
am not a little bit because it would offend you.
I don't want to used cleaned it up.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
He was the anatomically correct term for your family jus.

Speaker 7 (56:05):
But I thought you have no mattersles whiles.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
So here's the thing. I have grandparents that serve. I
have an uncle that was in the Navy. I've been
around the military those family members that have served. Here's
here is Here is my proffer. Here's what I'm gonna say.
Because I hear I hear you, I hear our audience.
I'm reading the comments. Uh, people think this kid is
completely deserving and begging to be hit in the back

(56:34):
of the head because he's so disrespectful to our national anthem. Look,
I don't I don't excuse the kid's behavior. I don't
think that he should be sitting at all. And it's
nice when people learn some lessons. All I'm saying is
this if I can be hit, if you can hit
him in the back of the head because you think
he's disrespectful. If you get hit in the back of
the head, yes by someone, can you and you think

(56:55):
that's disrespectful, can you hit back? And if the answer
to that is yes, then no harm, no foul, as
long as as long as it's if we're going wild
wild west here and we can hit anyone we want
because we're being disrespectful over something as important as our country.
And I get it if I get hit and I
think that has been disrespectful. Now this kid, if he
turned around, he might regret hitting this guy back. But

(57:16):
I'm saying if if we find it as socially acceptable
that the person hit feels like he's just been disrespected
to a degree that he wants to hit him back,
if we're good with that, then I say that's a
two way street, and I can live with that. I
can I can adjust my opinion from don't hit anyone
to if you hit someone, get ready to be hit back,
but don't be crying that you got hit back.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
If you hit somebody, and you could argue with self defense.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Like I said, if if we think it's fine that
he got hit and he deserved it. If the kid
that got hit or the person gets hit thinks that
he's been he's been disrespected to that to a degree
that he doesn't like it, he can hit back, And
if we're good with that two way street, then I
then I'm I'm good with him getting smacked as long
as that guy gets smacked back and we're still cool.
But if we're not cool with that, if he can

(58:03):
smack him but not get smacked back, that I'm not
good with that.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
You're not cool with that, well, you would have an
argument to hand him back.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
What I say, wouldn't you? If?

Speaker 2 (58:11):
I mean, and if and if cops came and you
you'd say, hey, you can't hear he say he hit
me first?

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
I'm just responding, Yep.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
I mean, because the guy's going to watch the rest
of the game behind him, when's he gonna hit him again?
What if he what if he doesn't cheer loud enough
for the home run?

Speaker 2 (58:26):
That's true, that's true.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
You know, I don't know. There's a litmus test going
on now.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
You know.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
It's funny he got the guy behind you and he's
a bit salty.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
What I brought up earlier. It was in Chicago. I'm
surprised one of them didn't pull out a gun shot. Deal.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
That's the other irony here. We're talking about a biff
in the back of ahead and the war torn you
know zone of Chicago where there's more murders than in
you know, in Middle East right now. So yeah, there's
there's that irony too, that this little biff on the
back of the head is a bigger deal than all
the murders that happen every single night in that city.
But I will adjust my opinion to the feedback we've

(58:57):
received from our good listeners, and I will say that
as long as it's good for the goose, good for
the ganner, as long as that kid can turn around
and smack the guy back because he felt disrespectful, and
we think and we think that's okay, then let the
games begin. I'm good with that. I can I can
live with that. Those rules, But you need rules. It's
what separates us from the animals. Rod, you gotta have rules. Okay,

(59:19):
all right, let's go to the phones. We've got a caller.
Brian is into Willa tonight. Brian, Welcome to the Rod
and Greg show. What are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 9 (59:26):
Brian Rod, Mike den Greg My thoughts are like, what's
the line, like, if it's okay if it's patriotism, like
in past generations, Yeah, it might have been more acceptable
to do this, But what if the kid just said
something crude? Is it okay to smack them? If it's
a stranger or chewing gum and the person didn't like
it and it's disrespectful and you're talking to him and
smack them, Like, so, what's the white Is it okay

(59:47):
just because it's patriotism?

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Yeah, it's a good question.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
And I'll tell you where my line is. If I
get smacked them back of the head, Okay, My line
is I just was smacked in the back of my head,
and that that's a line crossed. Now it's on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
So if he tapped you on the shoulder, you're okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
If he tapped me on the shoulder, I think that's well,
I think that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
He smacked him smack in the back of head, cuff
in the head, whatever you want to that. You think
that's too aggressive.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah, And look, you know one of two things can
happen here. The older guy can because he's older, he
could whoop him if he tried to hit him back,
and then that just just gets worse for that kid.
But he's also younger, you know, so he's a bit
more nimbles. He could actually biff him right back. And
I would try to return bally. I mean, I would
only give as good as you get. I wouldn't try to, like,
you know, pummel the guy for it. But I think

(01:00:35):
I'd give as good as I got. If and and
I guess that would be my, that would be my
I would adjust my opinion from he had no business
hitting him too. If you can give as good as
you get, then let him. Let let's go. Let's see
what happens, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Our number three of the Rod and Greg Show coming
up Utah centeror Mike Lee will join this in the
coming hour. Will invite you to listen to that conversation
coming right now. There's an interest article written by our
next guest, Jared Whidley. He is a principle of Whitley
Political media, talking about spending on the SNAP program, which
basically food stamp program, but how that money is being

(01:01:11):
funneled to terrorists. Let's stick into this. Joining us on
our newsmaker line is Jared. Jared, how are you welcome
back to the Rod and Greg Show?

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Doing great?

Speaker 10 (01:01:21):
Thanks for having me back to my friends.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Exactly what's going on? Jared? What have you found out?

Speaker 10 (01:01:26):
Okay, So this is something actually the sixth Treasury himself
has made noise about this. I'm just sort of drawing
extortention to it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
So, as you.

Speaker 10 (01:01:36):
Mentioned, there's the Snap formerly food SNAP program, which costs
the federal government about one hundred billion dollars a year,
and we know that there's about ten and a half
billion dollars lost improper payments for fraud. Right, So that's
a pretty bad percentage right there.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:01:55):
So, like in business they strive for six stigma. You're
the term six stigma that means one mistake in a million.
Here with the food stamp program, the government is making
one mistake in ten right, and some of it's just fraud,
some of it's just a mistake, but we know that
some of it has been funneled to the Islamic terror
group al Shabab, Right, So that's pretty bad. So in

(01:02:19):
the one big beautiful Bill that the President is spearheaded
last year, he created some provisions to create antipod mechanisms
so that the federal government isn't throwing money away, certainly
not throwing money away to terrorists who want to kill us.
And these are good provisions. They kick in in twenty

(01:02:41):
twenty eight. What it would be is just if a
state crosses over a certain threshold of improper payments. I
believe the threshold is six percent, then the state is
on the hook to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Cover the cost for that fraud.

Speaker 10 (01:02:53):
Right, So it creates an incentive for state governments to
do the right thing so that the federal government doesn't
get ripped off. But there are some in Washington, mostly Democrats,
notably Senator Amy Klobachar, who's trying to kick the can
on this down the road so it won't kick in
in twenty twenty eight, so it get him later, basically
so that Democrats don't have to do that, so they

(01:03:14):
can continue the broad machine, and we need to not
let them do that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
So it doesn't surprise me that the that the Swamp
and its membership want to keep the status quo, even
if it means funding terrorists. So I guess it's sad,
but it doesn't raise an eyebrow for me. My hope though,
when Secretary Scott Besson, who might be the greatest Treasury
secretary I've ever known since I've been I mean, who's

(01:03:38):
known the treasury secretary like him, he says he's going
after this. He's actually going to go and investigate claims.
I mean, he's just not gonna lie. He's not waiting
for Amy Klobachard to agree. He's going to get it himself.
Is he can he do anything? Connor's Treasury secretary do
anything about this now versus Congress someday.

Speaker 10 (01:03:58):
So it can certainly the Treasure Treasury Department since certainly
investigrate investigate fraud in the federal budget at any time
they want, right, that's their thing. That's what they're in
charge of. The thing that we're waiting for twenty twenty eight,
which feels so long away to kick in, is these
is the punishment. Basically the state governments that don't premit

(01:04:21):
fraud within their borders will have to chip in to
cover that, to basically pay for the fraud that's going
along this for not under the noses. But yes, the
Department of Treasury can look rooting out fraud right now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Wow? Wow, Where where does the Utah's congressional delegation stand
on this, Jared, and I'm talking Mike Lee and John Curtis.

Speaker 10 (01:04:44):
Okay, So Mike Lee was actually actually introduced the bill
Snap Reform an Upward Mobility Act, which became the anti
fraud provisions in the One Big Beautiful Bill Act. So
he has been the leader on this, and Senator Curtis
he hasn't necessarily been out in front like this as well.

(01:05:05):
But in my article I click im leaked to an
op ed he has on his Senate website where he's
talking about the need for accountability, says, if we don't
act now, where you're breaking the system we're trying to protect.
When that happens to, those who will suffer the most
are the very people we set out to help. So
if we don't make the provisions now to create to

(01:05:27):
make this these systems more financially viable, then we won't
be able to help anyone. So I think our delegation
is mostly on the right side. If you look at
the NAP fraud rates, Utah is absolutely one of the best.
Right The average fraud rate for last year was ten

(01:05:48):
and a half percent or fraud or air rate, and
Utah's was we were in the top ten for the
country at just five and a half percent, so we're
basically half below the average, which is great.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
And although we talked about.

Speaker 10 (01:06:02):
How these are I mean mostly Democrats who are out
standing in the way of this kind of broad prevention.
But we have to say this state with the absolute
worst that payment error rate is Alaska, which last year
was twenty over twenty three percent, and the last year
of the Biden administration in twenty twenty three there or
Gues second to last year the Biden administration, their er

(01:06:24):
rate was sixty percent. Right, So I don't know what's
going on in Alaska, but they need to get their
act together.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Yeah, here's my question. You know there's good reasons and
real reasons. You know, they'll give you some good reason
of you know, the people you would disadvantage or the
unintended consequences, blah blah blah.

Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
Sure, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Can't even imagine that some of these Democrats really are
excited about or even supportive of funneling money to terrorists,
which is what they're doing. If they want to keep
the status quo, is there a real reason that they
opposed this and want to protect the status quo, that's
not that draconian like funneling money to terrorists.

Speaker 10 (01:07:01):
So, I mean the thing is, if you'd ask a
Democrat twenty years ago, do you want to send money
to Terrace? They always said no.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Yeah them.

Speaker 10 (01:07:11):
Ten years ago they probably all would have said no.
But nowadays they have gone so far off the cliff
that the people like. One of the ways that you
that like the purity test, that you win primary elections
in the Democrat Party is by saying you like, come
off better than Israel.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:07:27):
So, while that's probably still the minority, I think mostly
Democrats are just perfectly comfortable with this kind of money
laundering scheme because wherever the money ends up, it usually
ends up in their coffers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Jared, on a much broader question, it almost seems that
this happens on a daily basis. Anymore that someone within
the Trump administration is announcing their crackdown on fraud. It
happened again today concerning California. First of all, does the
public realize the amount of fraud that is being discovered
and uncovered? And do you think it's good it's making

(01:08:00):
the difference?

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
So? Well? I see your second very first, I certainly.

Speaker 10 (01:08:05):
Hope it makes a different.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
I don't know any instance.

Speaker 10 (01:08:08):
Where it doesn't help to have more people cracking down
on this kind of stuff. I mean, we talked about
cracking down on this kind of graft or the term
they get used in Washington is fraud, waste and abuse, right,
And we're talking more about taking care of fraud, weights
and abuse more now than I feel like we did
twenty years ago when I moved to Washington, d C.

(01:08:29):
The thing that I hope is I hope when the
average American, when your listeners, when they hit this, they
think this is a sign of the system working, not
that the system is broken. Right, Like if it would
be worse if we just covered it up and never talked.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
About it at all. Right, Like the fact that we
have this.

Speaker 10 (01:08:48):
Open society, the fact that we have a free press
where I can write about this stuff and you guys
can talk about it. That means that the mechanisms that
are in there to make sure our government runs better.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Are hopefully working.

Speaker 10 (01:08:59):
So we hope people don't get to moralized. I hope
when people hear about fraud, waste, and abuse coming out
of Washington, they don't say, oh, it's hopeless. I hope
they they make their reaction to this is we're moving
in the right direction.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
So here's here's the part. And I agree with you.
I I've actually made this very point to someone who
is very frustrated that we're not seeing indictments and we're
not in certain topics that we now know about. And
I said, the fact that we all know it universally
is so much further along than where we were when
we were in the dark. So I agree with what
you're saying. Yeah, but I see this trend where if
it's right of center, h people can be outraged about

(01:09:35):
just about anything, but if it's left of center, it
can be you could have a ski mask and a
gun in your hands, Robin an old lady, and you'd
be just fine if it's if it's a If it's
a liberal doing it and it's a conservative complaining about it,
it seems like just a just robbery itself has a
has a political lean to it, isn't it? Is it
getting worse in terms of how we digest fraud and

(01:09:56):
what our response to it is as a people.

Speaker 10 (01:10:01):
I don't, Unfortunately, I think your summary is right. I
don't think that there is a sense of principles. I
think there's only a sense of party. Yeah, and it's
very sad. But again, when we're talking about some of
this money is going into the hands of the terror
group all Shabab. These guys are pure evil, right. They've

(01:10:23):
been involved in the Somalian Civil War, They've been involved
in using child soldiers, they were involved in the October
twenty seventeen Mogadishu bombings, twenty twenty two Somali Ministry of
Education bombings. I mean, I'm just looking at the terror
group's Wikipedia page here, So this is just what we
know about. It's doubtless much much worse. But if like

(01:10:44):
one dollar of American taxpayer money is going to these
people who want to kill us, then we need to
react just as powerfully and swiftly and as unitedly as
we did on September twelfth, two thousand and one. And unfortunately,
Ate today's Democrat Party is perfectly comfortable with this kind

(01:11:05):
of thing going on. It's absolutely repugnant.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
It sure is. Jared is always good work on this
and thanks for joining us tonight.

Speaker 10 (01:11:12):
Thank you, my pleasure. All right, appreciate you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
All right on our Newsmaker line. That's Jared Whitley. He
is with the Whitley Political Media Group talking about Snap
money going to terrorist groups. True, Wow, Nutty, there's so
much fraud and the Trump administration. I think Greg is
doing a job that nobody has wanted to tackle. And
he I mean, like I said, a data doesn't go

(01:11:35):
by where we don't have a story a more fraud
being found somewhere in some government program.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
I just think it's getting so egregious that how much
can your brain actually absorb?

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
To what degree are you offended? Are you outraged? And
how much more can you be?

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
I mean it's just just again to see snap benefits
going to terrorist groups and specifically this one. I would
just think that would be everybody. We wouldn't have to
get political on that topic, but here we are. I
think it is I think it's a it's a party issue,
not a issue of policy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
You know what it's sad is America was outraged how
many years ago when we discovered that the Air Force
was paying like six hundred dollars for a toilet seat,
Ye toilet right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Or a hammer?

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Yeah, we're more outraged at that than we are at
this fraud.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Yeah, And that's what's sad it is, and so I
think our brains can only absorb so much of this
uh recklessness. Uh But I don't know you you'd think
that that Congress and and those that we would elect
would be more resolved to deal with this than they are.
I just saw Corny and he wants USA I D money,
which we know is a big funnel for a lot

(01:12:40):
of bad things. If that's not going back to to Africa,
that USA I D money, He's not gonna He's gonna
hold up all of Trump's nominees to the extent he can.
That is is just unacceptable. He just Maddie lost his primary.
But it's it's pretty shameful that that's that's the kind
of quid pro quo these these senators, these Republican senators
are pushed on the president.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Yeah, all right, Mark coming up here on the Rod
and Greg Show in Utah's talk radio. Want oh five
nine can arrest? I think it's one hundred and five
days away from the midterm elections.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
It's coming up fast.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
So I'm always I'm always trying to hang on to
my summer. I'm trying to I asked you, how long
do you think you have left in summer. I don't
want to see the fall company. But really all politicos,
people that are in the campaign and elections industrial complex,
the launch, the official launch for midterms are Labor Day,
usually Labor Day, Labor Day, it is launch, it's it's
it's go time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Well, the the actually is hands some story today. The
president's top MAGA advisors are gathering now to start plotting
the midterms, right he Trump's pack and the Republican National
Committee are sitting on about five hundred and thirty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Yeah. So this so the spin out there in the
politico world and the campaign elections world is that the
Republicans have the money and the Democrats have the enthusiasm.
I don't know that I'm buying the enthusiasm part. They
might you might have some socialist and communist enthusiasm. I
don't know how that translates into the November race or
the you know, the October November race. But so I

(01:14:12):
don't know what that if that if I trust that
type of Democrat enthusiasm. But Republicans do lead in the
in the fundraisers side by a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
And if you if you need something to charge you up.
Read what the Democratic Socialist of America and their platform. Yes,
just read that. And if that doesn't charge you up
that if you want to protect the future of this country,
you better go vote in November. Just think about that,
because that platform, let's see, no Senate, no police, no ju.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Just says he wants to abolish the electoral college, the
electoral college because he's saying that things are relic.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Surprise, surprise, that's been tried before, but apparently in this meeting.
Their meeting is Tony Fabrizio, he's the president's longtime pollster,
James Blair, who handles politic operations, Susie Wiles, who's the
president's chief of staff, Chris Loslovida, he's his former campaign manager,
and cabinet officials except for Rubio, who's in Manila right now.

(01:15:11):
But they are gathering and they are thinking about it now.
Someone said today, what Trump. Trump's not too concerned about
the dead terms. He's just trying to get he's trying
to get the Save Act passed, and he's trying to
get the war in Iran done with. That's his priority, right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Both of those are absolutely essential for the midterms. You've
got to get the Iran War behind you, and you've
got to get the Save America Act because you're just
gonna get a bunch of people voting that shouldn't be voting,
and that puts everyone at risk.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Here's an interesting note. Our good friend Harry Enton, who
neither neither one of us know, but we kind of
like Harry right yes. On CNN, he's their data guru,
came up with this interesting figure today. Listen to what
he had found and shared with the viewers on CNN.

Speaker 11 (01:15:51):
Twenty first century own party approval, writing about it at
this point a second term, we got Trump, we got Obama,
we got Bush. Look, they're a fairly popular but the
one who is the most popular, and we have seen
this time and time out, no matter when you look,
is Donald John Trump. He's the only one who's over
eighty percent. Eighty three percent of Republicans still approve of
the job that Donald Trump is doing as president. He

(01:16:12):
still has that magic touch. We'll see if it carries
over to South Carolina. But we've seen it in primaries
this year CENTU primaries, and is because he is still
a very popular man, historically popular when it comes to
his own party liking and approving of the job that
he's doing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Eighty three percent of Republicans like the job that Donald
Trump is doing. I have a question, Greg, Yes, what's
wrong worth Republicans here in the state of Utah, who
right now I think are giving an approval radio fifty
three percent? Yeah, can you explain that to me?

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
I cannot. I cannot.

Speaker 6 (01:16:44):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Look, I'll tell you that I'm excited, but we don't
have a lot of information about this yet. September ninth
and tenth in Dallas, Texas, We're gonna have a Mintal
Republican convention. I don't remember ever living through one of these.
They want to have a mid term convention that kind
of brings kind of the enthusiasm that the National republic
Looking Convention has. But I'm I don't hear. I don't
hear a lot about what that convention is going to

(01:17:05):
look like or how it's going to be run. I
don't even think we were on talk show row for
twenty four I don't know that iHeart is going to
have one, has got the memo yet on with that,
But that would be fun. I think that a mid
term convention to really rally you the whole key is
to get out the vote. You have people that like
to vote for Trump, that don't really like politics, but
they came out to vote for Trump. You need to

(01:17:26):
reach those voters and say we got to get some
and especially where we've had some change in the primaries
where we don't have the Cornns and we don't have
the Bill Cassidies from Louisiana, you got some guys that
I think will would do the work that would really
support the president in his final two years of his term.
You got to come out to vote.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
You got it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
That voter excitement's got to be the vote.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Vote vote, all right, Moore, coming to the final half
hour the Rod and Greg Show on Talk Radio one
oh five nine. Okay, n rs. He's kind of busy, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Yeah, and uh, you know some message thought it was
really important, and he was on the floor of the Senate,
well of the Senate, making his most passioned plea to
pass the Save America Act. In my phone, I'm just
like texting him about something I think which were in reality,
wasn't near as important as the work he was doing
for and on behalf of Utah and the country by
trying to get to Save America Act passed, so, you know,

(01:18:19):
and a guy like him, by the time he's done
with that speech, he's got one hundred and fifty texts
to come in after mind. So I thought he'd big
time me. Yeah, oh, he's blown me off. But he didn't, didn't.
I just had very poor timing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Yeah, well, we had a chance to talk to the
Senator a short time ago. Of course, Greg mentioned his
efforts on the Save America ID Act, which basically, you
show your idea if you voted in federal election. Not
a big deal, but apparently it's scared of the living
daylights out of the Democrats. But before we got into
waightier subjects, we asked the Senator if, in fact he
has a photo ID so he can participate in olive

(01:18:52):
gardens never ending pasta pass.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Well, I've got an idea.

Speaker 12 (01:18:56):
I mean, I've got my driver's license, which is real
idea compliant.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
I've got my US Senate ID.

Speaker 12 (01:19:02):
I do not have an olive garden specific ID, but
I assume they would accept that. And this is all
a very amusing way of illustrating the fact that you
don't have to be the world's greatest superpower government in
order to carry out something that can verify a person's identity.
All of Garden can do it, Disneyland.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Can do it.

Speaker 12 (01:19:23):
Bush Gardens get every pharmacy, every airline, every place that
checks IDs, and they realize that it's important to check
an ID where it matters whether you are who you
claim to be. If something bad can happen when somebody
falsely claims to be someone they're not, then they check

(01:19:43):
for ID. Voting should be no different.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
In fact, that should be a.

Speaker 12 (01:19:47):
Top priority is to make sure that before somebody votes
in the US federal election that they should have to
prove who they are.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
You know, Senator, I think the reason why, I think
it's nationally, but I think it's in the seventies for Democrats,
nineties for Republicans in terms of what believing we should
have ID when voting so that our votes aren't canceled out.
For all the reasons that you just described that we
need an ID. Even during COVID, you needed more than

(01:20:17):
an ID. You needed a piece of paper that showed
a medical procedure had occurred, that you had received a shot.
All of those layers of identification and verification. What is
the real reason that your colleagues in the Senate just
will not do this because you can't. You can't say
women are two dumb ones. They get married to ever
vote again. You can, but you might not be married

(01:20:38):
long if you're married. When you say it, what is
the real reason. There's good reasons and real reasons. What
is the real reason for this. It's got everybody just
completely puzzled.

Speaker 12 (01:20:48):
Well, the charitable way of putting it is that they
are afraid that some of their voters might be excluded
from voter registration files. The uncharitable way of putting it
is also that they're afraid that too many of their
voters might be excluded from the voter registration files, Meaning
to whatever degree that they believe that their voting base

(01:21:10):
consists to any significant degree of people who are not
supposed to be voting, then this would be of concern
for them. And one can argue that when a bill
is that popular among Democrat voters and Republican voters alike,
this is one of the reasons, perhaps the driving reason

(01:21:31):
why they oppose it. They're afraid that they might lose
elections if it passes. Now, if they were afraid that
they would lose elections, because it would pass and that legal,
legitimate voters would be unable to cast their votes. Then
I would be open to figuring out what we could
do in this bill to make that not happen. But

(01:21:52):
they have yet to identify anything that could be done
on the bill to make it better. They see no
interest in dealing with it, and they instead can continued
to deny that there is any problem to me that
suggests that they're not operating with serious legislative proposals here.
They're not negotiating in good faith. It's far too easy

(01:22:13):
for them to say, we hereby declare ourselves to be
in a state of filibuster, even though we don't want
to and currently don't have to speak in order to
maintain our zombie filibuster of this thing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
So we're just going to kill.

Speaker 12 (01:22:26):
It because we think this is better for us.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
That's shameful, Well, a sender, I didn't at last luck,
and even admit it last week basically telling some meeting
that she had or giving a speech where she basically said, look,
if the Save America Act passes, Democrats will never win
another election again. I mean, that's stretching it a little bit,
isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:22:46):
Well, it's either stretching it a little bit or it's
a huge admission, and I'm not sure which one it is,
but either way, it's bad for Democrats because it's either
a huge stretch and she just lying or badly badly mistaken,
or alternatively, they really do have reason to believe that
enough of their voting base consists of non citizens who,

(01:23:09):
being non citizens, are ineligible to vote in US elections.
Either way, very bad news for Democrats, and she shouldn't
have admitted that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
She's not alone in that. By the way, You've.

Speaker 12 (01:23:19):
Had other Democrat politicians in Washington, d C. Including other senators,
who have made similar comments over the last few months,
and each time I think they're admitting far more than
they realized.

Speaker 6 (01:23:31):
You know, Senator.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
It just came out today New Jersey Governor Cheryl She
claims that a software error mistakenly registered about six six
hundred non citizens to vote. But here's the little wrinkle
in that story that I don't know if any of
this will get attention, but these were people that, honestly,
when they were going in the DMV or whatever, checked

(01:23:53):
the box that said US citizen and checked it no,
And after checking no, sixty six hundred individuals in New
Jersey alone were registered to vote. That's the ones that
didn't even try any kind of voter fraud. They said no,
and they were still registered to vote. They're saying, well,
of those sixty six hundred, not a lot of them voted.
It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the election. Just

(01:24:16):
that story alone, doesn't it tell you there's just something
bear going on. If you just have one glips and
you see something like that, that can't be the only
time and the only instance on how people that shouldn't
be voting are allowed to vote.

Speaker 12 (01:24:29):
No, that's exactly right, Greg, and I believe New Jersey
is one of those states that is refusing to cooperate
the federal officials on a full scale, fullsome we do
of the voter registration files to get at this very issue,
to figure out who is registered to vote who's not
supposed to be because there is non citizen for example.

(01:24:49):
So what they've admitted to is itself huge six thousand
stoopsies of oh, sorry we did this, and I'm sorry,
but software doesn't register people to vote.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
People register people to vote. And if their software is.

Speaker 12 (01:25:04):
So bad that it did this six thousand times, supposedly
with respect to people who did not check the box
and did not sign their names saying yes, I want
to vote, register to vote with my driver's license application.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
That is indicative of.

Speaker 12 (01:25:19):
Much broader problems. And I suspect that the total number
is substantially north of six thousand. And I believe that
they've identified hundreds, maybe three or four hundred that they
know of, that they have admitted who have voted. Among those,
I'd actually be surprised if it's not higher than that.
But regardless, even a few hundred is way too money,

(01:25:40):
And that's a few hundred votes that could, in some circumstances,
determine the outcome of an election, opening us up making
us extremely vulnerable to foreign election interference, which is part
of what President Trump spoke about Thursday night when he
declassified all these reports detailing how vulnerable our elections have
become and the extent to which some of our adversaries,

(01:26:03):
including that including Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and even
some non state actors, because that's the capability to compromise
our election infrastructure. Meanwhile, we've got this non vulnerability that's
a natural outgrowth of the National Voter Registration Act. We've
got to at a minimum plug that non vulnerability, or
else we are acting with reckless disregard to known vulnerabilities

(01:26:27):
in our election security.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Election security very very important, and Center leads fighting at
every step of the way trying to make our elections
more secure. The Save America Act is very simple. Every
pole you see. And I saw a new poll today
from Latino voters who favored by about eighty percent.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
I just think, I just think it is so naturally intuitive.
I just can't understand. Well, I'm afraid they want cheating.
They want a lack of chain of custody. They don't
want a solid chain of custody. And when I say
they the swamp people that want to win means that
are other than one man, one vote, one person, one vote,
then that's a that's a big, big problem.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
And send Lee has been asked. I think there are
a couple others who are trying to stop the August
recess which is about to come up. I think, well,
if we.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Had just a second more time, I wanted to say,
would you vote against recessing? Because he you know, because
that is a vote I believe, and I don't think
there was a unanimous vote last time, But I don't
know how they play that game. Sometimes they'll do it
when no one's around three people are in there, they'll
call it unanimous. But I wondered if he would because
I think it was John Turley that that called on

(01:27:32):
him or Senator Scott, was that Scott Yeah to oppose? Yeah,
would ask him? Ask him if they would oppose the recess?
And I think there is a procedural motion there that
you could do.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Final segment of the Rod and Greg Show coming your
way right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine.
Canteris by the way, coming up on Thursday at the
State Capitol. The Organization UH Tunnels to Towers right T
two t is bringing their Steel Across America tour to
the Capitol Building. It'll be parked outside the Capitol Building

(01:28:08):
on Thursday. Yes, what they've done is they've taken a
steel beam from one of the towers twenty five years ago.
If you can believe that, this September they've taken a
steel beam. They put on truck. They're going around the
country to remind people of what happened twenty five years ago.
This September we'll be talking with the representative from that
organization tomorrow to help people, make people aware of it

(01:28:31):
and raise awareness and get people up to the event.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
I can't believe it's been twenty five years, but do
you believe that twenty five It's hard to believe. But
it is something that we should not forget, that we
should talk about again our history, right, let's talk about
our history. Let's learn from this history and anyway. So
I just think it's something that is incredibly important.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Yeah, it is, yeah, and it will be here on Thursday.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
I love that. Yeah, they used to Freedom Festival way
back in the day, maybe a little after nine to
eleven happened. They had one of the floats was like
a tractor trailer that would bring the twisted metal.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Really as one of one of the floats.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
It was one of the floats to remind people, and
it was from the Twin Towers. They came by in
the Freedom Festival in Probo on fourth of July.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
But this is scheduled to be on display Thursday up
of the Utah State Capitol and we'll have a representative
from the organization. I think Frank Sillers not a brother.
His brother was killed, nephew, nephew.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
I want, I want, I want Mark Wahlberg because I
think we get along with him famously. He's really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Kevin James would be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Yes, who else? Oh, Dave Portnoy from Barston, He's a
big sponsor. Have him combined, he'd be fun. Can we
get one of those guys? I think they I think
we'd get along with them famously. They become our new friends.
It would be so much fun. Sure you know, yeah,
I'm being patronized. You just don't even You don't even.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Take it here real quick. I know a lot of
people buy this here in the state of Utah. You
probably don't, but a lot of people do, including the
Arquette family. Fair Life. Do you know what fair Life is?

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
The milk?

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Yeah, it's a protein milk.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
I drink that milk all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
It's owned by Coca Cola.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
Didn't know that, neither.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Did I till I saw this story. Apparently they are
halting production after unauthorized access, holding production dot of the milk.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Milk or they got a protein drink. But I'm talking
the milk.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
No, the milk.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
No, they're withholding it for how long? It doesn't say man,
that's all I drink that. And they got chocolate milk too.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
They have vanilla.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
I not the protein drink.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
I'm talking straight up milk, the vanilla. You've got to
try the vanilla.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Right, we get, we get Queen gets the regular milk,
and then she gets the chocolate fair Life regular milk
and then the fair Life chocolate.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
And apparently it's pretty good for you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
I think so. But you can't tell me. They're going
to stop making it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
They're going to temporarily. Apparently there's an issue and they're
going to stop it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Everything good gets ruined. Everything just drives me crazy, drives
me nuts. I got I only got a few things
I love, you know a few things, and that's one
of them. My milk is like one of my pleasures. Yeah, well,
here is something I know you will love. She's eighty
two years old, and she considered that she is going

(01:31:11):
to meet or she is the world's oldest competitive pole dancer.
Oh that's gross.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
She's eighty two years old. She's still competing. And I
didn't know there was such a thing as competitive pole dancing,
but apparently there is. And she's going to continue competing.
She says she will not let her age define her.
I see exactly, she's seeing something she.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Won't define her. Well, what about the rest? I mean,
there's people that are probably are prepared to define eighty two.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
Year old pole dancer continue to she continues to compete.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
This whole life news. I'm glad you wade to the
end of this show me fair life, because this this
is devastating to me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Go stock up on it. I'm going to make a
run milk, all right that doesn't head up, shoulders back.
May God bless you and your family. We'll talk to
you tomorrow.

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