The Rod and Greg Show: Economist Steve Moore on Record Low Unemployment Claims

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
No, as a young as a as a young father,
I have a really building that was along the prey.
You are one potthetic loser. No, no judge, e e Ray, No,
I am not. I was protecting my building. There can
be a bit of bedlam that goes on the Salt
Lake City in the middle of the night as everybody
sits out there, protected your building. I was protecting my building.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
And did Queen Bee and the kids go with you?

Speaker 3 (00:24):
No?

Speaker 1 (00:24):
They would come in the morning after I like staked
out and just staved off the savages, right, and then
I would do this and I'd stay up all night
to do it. And then all of a sudden I
get a call like we're too tired to come, and
I am, and I have liked to move. I'm under
the tree. I got the best spot. I kept everybody
away from it. I blocked it off and then to
make it and I'm like, you gotta be kiddy, did

(00:46):
you do this? I did it for I'll bet you
I did it. No, it's a true story. E Ray.
You know you can just put down the hat age,
quit drinking the hater ade. I bet you I did it. Oh,
seven eight.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Years in a row, really really I never have, never have.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, I'm no interest.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
In doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
By the way, well I stay up on so I
sleep through most of it. Yeah, because I was up all.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
My But you're doing it with a specific reason. Yes,
not so much to see the parade, but protect your
your property.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
It was an older building, and it was before we
refurbished it, so it's select. We still had to screw infuses,
so you can't be like putting in the extension cords
in the windows and stuff and all this weird stuff
that everybody wanted to do. So I was trying to
protect the building built nineteen oh eight, the building.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Do people still park out there or camp out there?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Well I saw as I was driving today, I saw
the people. The stars out people are they're steaking their claim,
steak in their claim they do.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
You know they do the same thing in Caesville because
we have a Fourth of July parade up there. They
begin like three days in advance.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, festival. We used to have friends that would steak
out so we could go up and.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
What a week in advance or something.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
I'd pay their kids, like to stay the night before
they just they Friday then for the set or whatever.
The night before the parade, they'd go out there and.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
You did one.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yeah, from a couple bends. We're staying out there all night.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
You're very generous. Well welcome. Everybody. Got a great show
lined up for you this Thursday. By the way, we'll
mention tomorrow, the twenty fourth, we're going to observe the holiday,
but we put together a great Greatest Hits show, so
we invite you to join us. Then that's that's coming
up tomorrow. But today, a lot on the agenda, but
a couple of things I want to start off with today.
Funny moment this morning. Okay, I'm I'll playing pick a ball. Yes,

(02:27):
I see these guys who normally don't play where we
were playing, but I know them because they play in
Cadsville over at Barnes Park. And ran into them and
said hi to them.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
That's small.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, yeah, so I know them. They took them all.
One guy found out who I was. Okay, he goes,
you're the radio guy, and I said. He says, I
listened to you and Greg all the time. I love
this show. You make me laugh. How on earth do
you control?

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Hughes asked, you know, he's a smart listener. I keep
saying these listeners are very intuitive. It's a good question,
and I had to lay out all your faults. Yes, well,
you know what, that's a bonding moment. You know me,
you really know.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
I know you too well. But a really good guy
and good pickleball player and but a big fan of
the show. And he said, I just want to you
know you guys make me laugh.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Well, I'm gonna tell you there is the yea yeah
for parade for praise. I stopped doing that. That was
that was a habit I lost long ago. But there
is probably a laundry list of challenges, but I think
it goes to the.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Problems I'm working with you.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yes, I think there's very lin providence to my life,
because I don't know that I got here just on
my own smarts and looks good looks Now, I think
I think there's some luck involved or divine providence, because
I think the the list is long and accurate. And
here I am. I'm having a great time. I love life.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
I saw what we do. I saw a picture of you.
I think it was posted when you were at the
Republican National Convention in twenty sixteen. Yes, okay, you were there. Yeah,
I'll posted you look very young, Yes, and you got
a fat face?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, thank you. I well, you get carb face. You know,
it's just you know, if I eat a little too
much carbohydrates to face, it's just like I was stung
by a bee. We and I'm allergic to them. I swell.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
We tell our listeners, we tell the truth. I'm simply
telling you the truth of what I thought about your face.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
My face fat will ebb and flow. Sometimes it's sometimes.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Like this, yeah on wait and everything else.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
That's why the fa.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
But I apologize to good.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
My self esteem is impervious to your critiques. My wife
calls it self delusion. I call it self esteem. Yeah,
I think I agree with your wife's self esteem.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
All right, I've got to follow up on a story that, uh,
we kind of laughed at yesterday, but it has a
sad ending today, really sad ending. Remember the bear, Yeah,
the bear on top of the the about thirty five
feet up. How he ever got there? We do not know, right, Yeah,
it's I think it was in New Mexico, and and
that video was all over the place. I mean, you're going,

(05:01):
how on earth did he do that? And the bigger question,
how on earth is he going to get down?

Speaker 1 (05:05):
I think they were trying to like coake them down.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
They were trying to coax them down. Well, he was
electrocuted because he's not a power pole.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, there was a power pool. There was a there
is a line there that's live. If you touch it, you're, yeah,
in trouble. So kind of that's too sad, poor little fellow.
You looked at it and you go, it's thirty five
feet in the air. How on earth that pole Wasn't
that the circumference was It was kind of a skinny pole.
Like he's such a big bear. I don't know how
he climbed up there, but.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, against bears can climb trees.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Trees make more sense. They got branches. I mean, there's
that pole is just straight up. I I didn't understand it,
but he was. I had sad to hear that. He
This is why, like I I loved hunting is great.
I mean, I got a lot of friends that love
to go hunting. I just I just don't have the
instinct because like when I went to a zoo as
a kid, my grandmother take me to the zoo. I
didn't go, Man, look at that bear. If I could

(05:54):
just blow its head off if I could just shoot it.
You know, I just like, Oh I want to do
is pet it? I want to pet the bear if
I saw the If I see animals, I don't want
to just shoot them and kill them. I just think
they're cute and I want to throw a marshmallow at them.
You know, I I'm judging, Like I know you were
a hunter. I don't. I don't have any problem but
me personally, when you tell me about that bear, there's

(06:15):
a lot of people that want to kill bears like that.
I don't want to shoot them. I want to I
want them to come down from that pole safely and
throw them a marshmallow. Say how you doing, a little guy?
That's it. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I didn't realize you were so soft tart well towards animals.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
I like animals.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, because you love gorillas. Love grill the gorilla.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Those are my favorite. I can watch AI's ruined it
because they got some AI videos of grills that aren't real.
But if you give me an accurate gorilla video, those
kids are climbing all over their heads, and the dad's
these silver backs. They just take a whip them and
then the mom will get mad to the dad because
he's a little too rough on the kids. It's just
it's wonderful. It's parenting one on one.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I have a fear of birds. Really, I don't like birds.
Oh I like birds like chickens. Can't stand she.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Was doing all she was walking, she found a bird
that would look like Ab. We went out like the animals,
so we were like the amts. We went running out
there to say this poor little bird.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
I have stories about Abby trying to save birds at
their windows. And one little female bird was being attacked
by a bunch of male birds. Yeah, and she went
out and tried to show them away. They to protect her.
Trying to give that bird a whistle because he gets

(07:32):
in trouble. Yeah. Yeah, So Abby's the animal lover. You
sounds of me, you are, I didn't realize you. I
love animal.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, I love my dog. She's good. Well, yeah, he
loves animals to eat him. Yeah, he's savage styles long.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
It's been forever since I've had venison.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah I haven't. Yeah, I see the gaming meat. I'm not.
I'm not. I'm not into the gaming meat. You can
kind of taste it. It's from the wild.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, my wife growing up in southeast Idaho, she said,
we basically lived on elk all year. Really yeah. Yeah,
they'd have chicken, but they ate a lot of elk
when she was growing up.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
To her, she would really hate those elk been up there.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
There are a lot of elk up there, or they
are more there, used to be a lot more than
there are now. But there's still a lot of elk.
But she grew up eating a lot of elk.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
You know, when we asked our listeners about wildlife and
they said that one guy got hunted, was that that
cougar was hunting them for like nine hours?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
See that's where the playing field gets a little more level.
And then you're like, well, okay, well that might be
a fair fight. You might want to I can see hunting.
If you're being hunted, that seems like a like that
seems like a real game. But you know, Era just
wants to sneak up on them when they're not looking
and just kill them, just take their lives. They're living.
Those turkeys were just living their lives. They were eating,

(08:51):
they were just you know, they were making goblin, making
a great had They thought they had the world in
the you know, they thought it was the world was
their oyster. Then comes up in.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
My opinion takes okay, my opinion turkeys deserved to be
shot because they are the ugliest birds in the world.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Well, I mean, you raise your guy because he's got
a blood bloodlust against turkeys. He wants to kill him
all the time.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Just rid the world of the ugliest bird out there.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
You know, Benjamin Franklin wanted to make the.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
National bird at one time. I'm glad he did. Well.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Well, anyway, we digressed.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
This was a fascinating discussion.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Well, you started with such a sad story about that
cute bear sitting on the top of the telephone pole
or the electrical poll the electric pull died. That's sad,
all right, neither rest of that story.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Mark coming up. We're just getting started, and we have
no idea where we're going to stick with us. On
Utah's Talk radio one oh five dye Canters. His name
is Ned Ryan, he's founder CEO of American Majority and
he's got a brand new jock down. Ned. How are
you welcome back to the Rod and Gregg Show. Yeah, no,
great to be back with you guys.

Speaker 5 (10:06):
And I do have a new project out of documentary
called The Threat of Liberty.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah. I want to get to that and talk about
But before we get there, Ned, I just need to
warn you. We started the show off today talking about
bears being electrocuted, falling out of telephone polls, and shooting
shooting turkeys. Very we're kind of weird today. Now it's like.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
It wasn't really the highest note. And I don't know
why Rod went there. He's a veteran. I'm the wing man,
he's a veteran.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
So all right, You've got a brand new documentary with
a companion book out. It's called The Thread of Liberty,
Keeping Our Republic. What's it all about, Ned?

Speaker 5 (10:40):
So it's a celebration for the two hundred and fiftieth
anniversary of the first ever rights based republic in the
history of the world in which the people are sovereign.
And as we started putting together the projects, it just
became I consider myself a fairly close student of American history,
a markan politics, it just became even more evident to
me as we were putting this together. There these various

(11:01):
inflection points when this entire experiment could have failed. Over
the last two hundred and fifty years. So we called
it the threat of liberty. How we were founded in
liberty rights based republic, and at various inflection points along
the way, there was a generation at that given moment
when this experiment could have failed, that grab hold of
that threat of liberty and said no, I still feel

(11:21):
an obligation to the experiment for the generations that came
before me and the generations that'll come after. And so
we cover a lot of grounds in eighty five minutes,
but really just wanted to show people, Hey, we have
a great legacy. It's something we should be incredibly proud of.
We've had our flaws, We've corrected many of those. I
mean electus to Toko, we use is kind of a
backdrop to tell the story, and he had the observation

(11:44):
of our great ability to repair our faults. And here
we find ourselves at two hundred and fifty years in
in one of the greatest experiments. I would, are you
one of the greatest things that's happened since the growth
of Christ, the founding of the American Republic. It's that
important the world history. We should be proud of it.
And we should also understand our obligation to the continuance
of it.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
You know, Nett, I expected as we approached this two
hundred and fifty year anniversary that we would be inundated
with documentaries and examples of this country and how we
got here and how we need to preserve it. Did
you know that you would be one of only a
few voices but putting this kind of work in and
because it's such an important piece and we don't have

(12:24):
many of them, which I find very surprising.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I mean last year, I just made the decision.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
You know, how many two hundred and.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Fiftieth anniversaryes, how many big anniversaries am I going to
be around for, and I'm going to do something, And
so I pitched some dollars and said I've got a
vision for this, and they said, great, go for it.
But yeah, I was actually a little surprised that there
wasn't more of this. So it makes me even happier
that we went out of a date. We had a
great and we had a great series of guests, I mean,
Victor Davis, Hansen, Larry Arne, Paul Ray, Bill McLay of Hillsdale,

(12:57):
some great folks, Steve Simpson and Antastasia Bowdens s Pacific
Legal Foundation, just a great cast of characters and just
fascinating conversations. I was fascinated by the process, and I
hope when people watch this they realize I hope they're
fascinated as well.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
And then as people watch this and I took a
look at it for a while, today I'm seeing the
whole thing. But what do you think they'll find most
interesting about it? I mean, the whole documentary is interesting.
Are there sections of it where you go, I didn't
know that, or boy, that is interesting?

Speaker 3 (13:27):
You know.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
I think that we start with some early observations of
Alexis to Tolkfill and again young French noblemen who came
here to actually study a prison system and then ended
up going on fascinated by this republic lives. It's still working,
stayed for nine months, traveled seven thousand miles. So his
observations that kind of fascinated me that actually I was
not familiar with, in which he said he was kind

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of surprised to find that liberty and faith were not
enemies of this country. In fact, they were intertwined. And
then he realized that America's first political institution was actually religion,
which ties into what the founders believed that republics are
fragile things, and republics only continue when you had a
virtuous people. And John Adams and George Washington were very

(14:10):
clear on this virtue springs from religion, and of course
the religion they're referring to is Christianity. So I think
it was I think with some of Detaufill's observations that
I was not fully aware of that I came across
from Huh.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I didn't know that. That's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
We're putting it in the films.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
You know, it sounds like the Tokyo sounds like a
World Cup soccer fan coming from around the world, you know,
going all over the world right now.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
Yeah, Freddie, I was like, Freddie, seems like a modern
day to Toefield. All a sudden, He's going, this is
a great country.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
What's going on here?

Speaker 3 (14:43):
How did this happen? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (14:44):
No, that's what it really was. He travels again, think
about in the eighteen thirties, traveling seven thousand miles in
nine months in.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Eighteen thirties America.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
But the thing that was interesting for me is not
only top Fill's observation about why it was working, and
we addressed the slavery issue. I think we're very clear
eyed about it, and we take it head on. You know,
the founders who live thought the declarations promises would outlive
the Constitution's concessions. They made a mistake, but it was
rectified during the Civil War costs US a lot of lives.

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But Tokeso hooked at and said, I see two threats
to the Republic coming. One is slavery. It'll have to
be dealt with. It's antithetical. Slavery is antathetical to the
idea that all men are created equal. Something's going to give,
and it did thirty years after his hear But he
also saw another threat to liberty, and he called it
soft despotism, when people thought it'd be much easier for

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others to manage the business of their lives. He didn't
really know what it would look like, but he suspected
at some point the American people would be tempted by
this silent song of soft despotism. And in any ways,
I think we've been living a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
The last several many decades.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
One of the things, and again I look forward to
seeing that the documentary I haven't seen it, but in
talking about Tokville, I you know, he says if America
is great, because America is good. I believe that's I
think that's attributed to him, and if it ceased to be,
it's attributed to him. Attributed to him. And I think
what he said is it's the pulpits, it's the churches,
it's it's so as we see America, if you look

(16:17):
at the statistics, we look like we're becoming a more
secular country. It looks like faith and our frequency in
our churches and things are declining. How does America stay
America if we see a decline in church attendance or
are we going to see a revival or are we
in one?

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Well, I think there's something.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
I mean, let's not forget we had that great Awakening
probably twenty five years before the American Revolution, thirty years five,
or take towards Woodfields. I feel like there's something like
that that has to happen. I mean, George Washington is
very clear, and it's farewell addressed that he thought some
people could be virtuous without religion, but most people couldn't be.
At some point there has to be a religious element

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and again he's referring to Christianity for there to be
the virtuous people. The way republic works, the self governing
republic works, is when individuals govern themselves. Right, the more
an individual governs himself for herself, the freer society is
because on the fewer laws, fewer enforcement mechanisms. And the
founders knew that, and they really truly believed, whether they

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fully agreed with the Gospel and all these other theological ideas,
they truly believed that there was a creator. They believed
that the creator gave you rights, that there was obligation
to it, that there was some form of enforcement mechanism
with eternal rewards and punishments. And this was a good
thing for society because it ingrained in people the idea

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that they had an obligation to something higher than themselves.
And it gave them the idea we should govern ourselves
because at some point we might have to face the
ones who gave us our rights. So we should watch
what we're doing in this life before we face them
in the next.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
What a great message. The name of the documentary is
the Threat of Liberty Keeping our Republic. You can find it.
What on YouTube is that where You can find it now.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
Go to Fred threadoliberty dot com. It'll take you to
YouTube length. The Companion book came out today on Amazon.
You can go to Amazon find it thread of Liberty,
and then you know, sometime in August, we're going to
get this onto Amazon Prime, Apple TV and some other
streaming platforms. But you can watch it for free on
YouTube thread at liberty dot com. Go watch it eighty
five minutes. I hope you'll be inspired, and I hope,

(18:26):
I really hope Rod that it causes a rebroke of
instinctive patriotism. But tot they'll talk to about is that
inborn love of country and we desperately need that right now.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Wouldn't that be nice? Ned is always great chatting with you.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Congratulations on this effort and good luck with it. Thanks Ned,
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Thanks guys.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
All right, Ned, Ryan founder and CEO of American Majority,
and I did started watching it earlier today, Greg, and
he does spend a lot of time onto Tokville. That's
an amazing story. If people do not know the story
of Totokeville, they should look it up as well.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, and this is scholarly work. I joked about the
World Cup. They obviously that's a more scholarly look and narration,
and it's it is powerful.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
More coming up the Rod and Greig Show with you
on Talk Radio one oh five nine k n RS.
Always fun to have Steve Moore top economist with us. Steve,
of course, served as an economic advisor to UH President
Trump during his first term in office, worked on the
President's tax cuts plan. He now has a morning email
or newsletter called Unleashing Prosperity that both Greg and I get.

(19:26):
Always Greg filled with great information.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
It really is and it's fun that even though he's
gone Hollywood, he's on all the big channels and he
goes on the big news programs. He keeps it real.
And we talked to him almost every week. Yeah, he
doesn't forget. He dances with with who brings Yeah, who
brung him?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah brung him.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Steve is joining us on our newsmaker line right now.
He's in Orlando today. That's where the what is it,
the American.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Legislative Legislative Exchange Council ALEC is meeting. This is a
This is where right of center lawmakers from every state
send in delegations and they have this annual conference and
they talk about good public policy, conservative public policy that
they've passed in respective states, and they have kind of
roundtables and they talk about those bills, and a lot
of lawmakers from different states take those good bills and

(20:11):
ideas and run with them and bring them to their
respective states.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Well, Steve served on a panel this morning, needs now
joining us to talk about the conference. Steve, what is
the mood among state lawmakers from around the country.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
No, look, people, I think a feeling you know, good
about the direction of the country. Obviously, you know there's
some problems some you know, some big waves coming in
right now with the with the oil price which has
gone back above ninety dollars a barrow, which a bad sign,
you know, because that means, you know, you're looking at
four dollars gallon gass a gun. So this is this

(20:46):
is you know, non settling development. But if you look
at all the other statistics and the economy, they look
pretty strong. But everybody's focused on gas prices and three prices.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Right now, you know you and you're unleashed a prosperity
newslatyer today. Interesting segment or issue that you brought up,
I know, we have our differences on tariffs. I know
you've been very fair, but you've been critical about tariffs
and you're worried about me, and it gets all the
attention for this president, his administration and his trade you
know policy. But you point out that there is a
pro American free trade approach to technology, that something's going

(21:19):
on right now that is overdue, it's modernized, and it's
it's really overdue. Maybe you could share with our listeners
what is it that this administration is doing to maybe
realign this not only America but the globe on trade
around technology.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Well, so what's happening is because we've the United States
has been so dominant economically, we have all of these
we have so many countries that are trying to especially
discriminate against our great technology component companies Googles and Apples
and Amazons and Microsofts, et cetera. And so. In fact,

(21:56):
just the other day, the Europeans are trying to put
a billion dollar fig on Google, saying they were acting
in a monopolistic way, which is an absurd claim. It's
just the Europeans can't seem to compete with our tech companies,
so they try to sue them and penalize that. And
Trump won't take that. He said, they're stealing from American companies.
And he's saying, look, if you continue to do this,

(22:17):
we're going to put tariffs on you. And if you're
going to charge our firms to you know, a billion dollars,
we're going to put a billion dollar tariff on you.
And I think that's you know, turn about is their play.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
That's the game he's playing, that's for sure. Steve All
report out today talking about unemployment benefits, people claiming unemployment benefits.
I saw this note the last time this few Americans
were filing for unemployment. Cretin's clear Water Revival, Top the
Music Charge and but Cay and Butch Cassidy and the
Sundance Kid was a hit in the movie theaters. What

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is going on with unemployment? Obviously people are hanging on
to their employees.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Well, you know, by the way, I had not seen
that statistic yet that that's startling. I mean, we've seen
the well if you I mean, what it's telling us
is that there's a shortage of workers in the United States,
not a shortage of but of our jobs. Now they
might not be able to find the exact job that
they want. But look, you're seeing a record number low,

(23:15):
as you just said, in people filing for these unemployment
benefits because businesses that are not laying offwards.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
So again I want to go back you another graph
that I just couldn't help. But notice is the new
millionaires by raided by countries and the United States is exponentially.
It looks like it's the Empire State Building next to
two story walk up a partonments with the rest of
this country. We interviewed someone yesterday that had this brilliant quote.
He said, you could be stupid and prosperous countries, you

(23:42):
cannot be stupid in Bangladesh. And what he was saying
is that does country so prosperous We can have these
crazy ideas because we are prosperous country versus you got
fourteen year olds of guns in the Congo because it's
there's nothing prosperous happening there, So you get these they're
serious there. Tell me why why aren't we have such
an advantage with new millionaires and new wealth creation.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
We have a half a million millionaires in this country,
which is an amazing number, and so you know, being
a millionaire is and what it used to be. I guess,
you know, and so, but we have more millionaires than
virtually the rest of the world combined. Isn't that amazing?
Do you think about it? See, the median income in
the United States is now eighty seven thousand dollars for
a household. In most countries, eighty seven thousand dollars is rich.

(24:27):
And so we are a rich country because we're a
prosperous country, because we're a productive country, because we have
a free enterprise system. And this is what's so maddening
and frightening about this rise of democ what they call
democratic socialism, I just call it communism, where they want
to just, you know, take from the rich and give
to the poor and equalize everyone's income. You know. Gee,

(24:51):
that's what they did in Cuba, That's what they did
in North Korea, That's what they tried to do in
the old Soviet Union. I mean, haven't we learned our lessons?
But you have a Democratic party today that has gone
off the deep end. And so we've published these numbers
to say, look, if you want opportunity, why do you
think every immigrant in the world wants to come to
the United States?

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, they've got a great opportunity, Steve, I know you've
been following this. Put on your politician's hat here for
just a second. You see the ideas coming from the DSA,
the Democratic Socialist American had they got a chance to
make inroads here in the country or do great American
people in the heartland of this country. Are they ever
going to consider these guys for anything.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
That's a good question, and I don't really know the
answer to it. I'm very concerned about the fact that
the Democratic Party has moved towards socialism, and you see
in so many cities in New York and Chicago and Seattle,
in Los Angeles, the rise of a radical left wing
redistribution agenda that doesn't try to create wealth but tries

(25:55):
to redistribute it. And does it make me nervous? It
makes me very nervous. I mean, these the lesson of
the last hundred years is a what a complete catastrophe
communism and socialism are. But you know, I look at
these polls. You know, more than half of Democrats now
say they favor socialism over free market capitalism. So guess
it is something we should be very, very worried about

(26:17):
and concerned about because, as my buddy Larry Coubo says,
free market capitalism is the best path to prosperity. But
too many people aren't learning that in the schools. They're
not learning at the universities. It's, by the way, the
more educated these kids get, the worse they get in
terms of understanding economics. Explain that one to me.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, I can't explain it to you, And I don't
think Greg Ken either. I mean, what are they there upwardly,
all highly educated, yet what is it downward mobility?

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, four hundred thousand dollars of education to pay with
a twenty eight thousand dollars job at an NGO. And
so they're mad. They're better. They think they're smarter than
everyone else. So they just want to they just want
to complain.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Turn us into communists, all right, More come up on
the rod in, Greg Jorley, They get a collected now
from thirty American cities showed an eighteen percent decrease in
the homicide rate from twenty twenty five compared to the
same period in twenty twenty six, translating to about two
hundred and fifteen fewer homicides this year. That's according to

(27:18):
a new report from the Independent Council on Criminal Justice. Now,
should the trend continue, it would push, according to the
experts greg it would push the annual homicide rate to
the lowest level in the United States in over a century.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Really, yeah, that's what the numbers are saying. While the
national homicide rate shows a notable decline, about a third
of the city sampled recorded an increase instead. Among them,
Salt Lake City. Huh, well know that. I thought our
crime rate was down here.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah, I you know, that's why. I think you have pockets.
You have these pockets where things are going on that
a lot of us might not be completely aware of.
And there you go.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
I mean, so US is on tracked for a low
homicide rate as Salt Lake City season increase. I well,
I will see. I haven't noticed it. Maybe we've become
too used to it.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Well, you know what, if I've visited over my lifetime
metropolitan like big cities, and Salt Lake's not the biggest
city I've been to cities, There's two things that happen
in a city. There's urban decline and there's urban renewal.
So you'll see an area where gentrification happens. You're seeing
old buildings that are being refurbished. You're seeing things torn down, rebuilt,

(28:38):
built differently. You'll see a renewal that will happen in
a city, and then you see the areas that just
continue to decline and get worse. I swear to you
that Salt Lake City is the only city I have
ever watched urban renewal and urban decline happening next to
each other, side by side, and one lot it is
just a drug house and a haven for homelessness and crime.

(29:01):
And right next to it is a brand new, shiny
building being built, right next to it, right next to it.
It is this city. Salt Lake City is run by Democrats.
They are completely left of center. They have they've embraced
identity politics, and I think these are the symptoms lawlessness
everything else.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Wow. All right, another hour brought in Greg with you
on this uh Thursday afternoon and Talk Radio one oh
five nine an ors. So you know it's interesting how
this uh, this New Jersey story after what the President
said a week ago tonight when he laid out, you know,
his concern about election integrity, uh, you know, the vulnerability

(29:40):
of the US elections uh system and then several days later,
New Jersey comes down and goes, oops.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, well you know what this is. So so this
is what happens. And the regime media does this all
the time. You had you had the Russian Russian collusion hoax,
okay with those with Muellers investigation, and and the media
ran with it. They gave themselves Pulitzer prizes for it,
and it's all. It was all but but the media

(30:09):
jumped on their talking points and just absolutely demanded that
none that this was as real as the day is
long and that and just were all in. They didn't
do any investigative journalism on their own. They just took
those talking points and ran with them. Then you get
the Hunter Biden laptop, and it is it is just
absolutely indicting of that entire family on every level. Who
they pay, They pay their you know Biden for things

(30:31):
to do, to have access. There's all kinds of things
in that on that laptop. The talking points are this
is a this is Russian disinformation, and they just run
with it. Turns out it wasn't just like there was
a Russian collusion, this was a there was there was
no Russian hoax on the on the Hunter laptop. That
was true. Well, now and again no independent journalism and

(30:51):
no scrutiny by the media. They just took the talking points. Well,
media did it again. They took the talking points on
there's absolutely zero evidence. There's no evidence. Everything that the
president has said comes with zero evidence. Okay, there's a
Democrat governor from New Jersey. There's sixty six hundred people.
Well it's not that big. Yeah, Now we flipped from

(31:12):
you know that that there's no evidence of any of
this to be found anywhere too. Well, I don't know
that that's a large number, as if as if what
you found is all that ever existed or could exist.
But they just this is what they do. They just
they will pairrot, they will regurgitate the Democrats talking points
till they can't.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
And then now you have like Jake Tapper one day
saying there is no evidence, going the next day going
once there was evidence. Well, you know, what do they
say about this, as if he wasn't part of the
group saying there's nothing here.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
This is bad for the Democratic Party. Well, there are
at least two journalists right now are members of the
media who are admitting they made a mistake when it
comes to the Republicans, well, basically saying there's some voter fraud.
So earlier today, Michael she works for CNN, okay, and
Mark Calprin, another journalist, got it and said, guess what

(32:03):
we made a mistake.

Speaker 6 (32:04):
There was an analysis in The Times in January on
which I rely January of twenty twenty six. Initial review
finds no widespread illegal voting by migrants, puncturing a Trump claim.
And I remember discussing this at length, having guests on
to talk about it, and then coming to the conclusion
that you referenced this doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
I can't say that any longer.

Speaker 6 (32:26):
I don't know how often it does happen, but I
can't say any longer this never.

Speaker 7 (32:30):
Happens or not for pioneer day stance, how people.

Speaker 8 (32:36):
Feel you have overstated the extent of our knowledge about
how often it happens. I was critical of Democrats and
who said this never happens, there's no need to investigate it,
and kind of taunted Republicans. What yesterday demonstrates is Republicans
have were right that say we need to find out
the truth of these things.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
It's the greg that's what's so frustrating. All the report
publicans led by Donald Trump have been asking, let's take
a look at this and let's make sure this is
as clean as we can get it. No tolerance for
mistakes whatsoever. That's all they were asking. Yes, now we
get a one story saying, well, guess what, there were

(33:17):
six thousand, six hundred people on the voter rolls who
were who shouldn't have been on the voter rolls, and
by the way, four hundred of them did vote yes.
So let's take a look at it. Let's take you know,
this was so frustrating about our Lieutenant governor. All the
DOJ is asking is, let us take a look at
things here, make sure everything's above board. We're saying it's

(33:38):
not above board. We just want to make sure it is.
And there's pushback on this.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
That's called transparency, and that's now and that's what that is,
and we shouldn't be afraid. I don't know an instance
where you have a country that has laws that would
hide bank accounts, you would have any kind of hidden
you know, voter records, because we have them in Utah.
We say, well, we don't want people to know who
we are when we register to vote Republican or Democrat,
ecclesiastical leaders, whatever it may be. We don't want to

(34:04):
be victims of identity theft when you have when you
have databases that you knowingly keep away from the public
and are not public so that we can count. This
is how many people registered to vote voted, this is
how many votes are received. We have to see that
number matches. But once you get into this secrecy mode,
it draws potential fraud. Let's take a country. If a

(34:24):
country wants to hide all its bank records, you don't
have to say who owns a company. You know, who
finds their way to those companies or those countries in
their banks, not you know, cartels, illegal activity. Because of
the secrecy, it is like fly paper to those who
want to do to who are corrupt and want to
And so the only thing we have to fight that

(34:47):
is an absolute transparent process. And that is all that
Center LI has been saying is easy to vote, hard
to cheat. And anybody that doesn't want to do the
Save America Act just wants to make it easy to vote,
and they don't want to make it hard to cheat.
That part, that's second part, is not a concern to them.
For whatever reason, you draw your own conclusion. But they
want the easy. They wanted easy to vote, but they
don't want to make it hard to cheat. I think

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all Americans would like to see their vote not canceled
by someone who is ineligible to vote, and would want
it to be hard to cheat. Without regard to political affiliation.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
The poll show that yes, I mean low of seventy
two percent, seventy five percent among Democrats, as high as
eighty five percent among Republicans. You've even got the Latino
population in this country saying yeah, we think voter ID
is a pretty darn good idea. It was so frustrated,
and Caroline Levitt at our news conference or press briefing
today at the White House kind of indicated the President

(35:39):
and John Thune are not seeing eye to eye on this,
and the President is getting very very frustrated with John
Thune because he won't move it along. As a matter
of fact, I was listening to Glenn this morning and
he actually dialed Thune's office and left a message, And
he's encouraging all Americans to dial into John Thune's office,
the Senate office and leave a message that you want

(36:02):
something done on the Save Act.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
So there are people are saying, well, Trump isn't able
to get this done. The executive branch in this president
is not the majority leader of the Senate. He can encourage,
he can do he has a bully pulpit, but it
is the majority leader of the Senate, John Tune, who
has to go get those votes and don't. It is
not you don't just simply as the presiding officer of
a legislative body count where people are at You have

(36:24):
to whip votes. You have to make the case. You
have to if it's a priority for them, and they
have by the way, they have the votes to pass it.
They have fifty one. They have votes to pass it.
Which they don't have are the votes to end debate,
which is a completely different topic. You know, this is
where John Curtis, our own senator, says, oh, I'm voting
for it if we can get to sixty to end debate.

(36:47):
But I'm not willing to have a you know, the
talking filibuster. I'm not willing to change that rule. He's
not willing to end debate, but he is willing to
vote for it. That is that I think there is
an inconsistent If you think it's important and you're ready
to vote into law, then find the way, even if
it's to outlast the Democrats. They want to cheat and

(37:08):
have that debate until you can close debate and get
that thing voted on. Because and I right now centerly
saying there might be a budgetary way, the actually feel
He's been adamant in the past that there wasn't, but
there is a way that looks like that they're trying
to get this done. That it might be. And he's
not someone who will compromise his principles on our constitution,

(37:28):
constitutionality and things like that, but he sees a path
potentially where it can take a simple majority. But if
you have a majority, I'm just going to tell you
the inside baseball. If John Tune doesn't want this vote
to come to the floor, it's not going to have floor.
I don't care what issue he gives or reason he gives.
There's real reasons, and there's good reasons. He'll give some
good reason if he doesn't want it done. If he's

(37:49):
it's not coming, I don't care what path you have
or vote you have, and.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
What what are the chances great that there's some Republican
senators who won't go along with this. I'm thinking of Cornyn,
I'm thinking of yeah, the ones that are Burkowski, I'm
thinking of Mitch McConnell. Will they go along with this
to get this passed?

Speaker 1 (38:07):
That you know, you can just those three and still
pass it with with President van or with Vice President Vans.
But you but that's all you can lose is three.
You got fifty three, fifty three Republicans. You can lose
three still get it passed with the tiebreaker being By
the way, do you know how many times Kamala Harris
voted the fifty first vote to pass things for the
Democrat dizillion times. It's not it's not rare. It wasn't

(38:28):
even rare for them.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
By the way, those four hundred non citizens who did
vote in New Jersey, they faced deportation.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Which is which by the way, they did actually, if
I if the news is correct, they they actually honestly
filled out their their their record that said I am
not a resident, so are you a US citizen? They
said no, and then they got they got allowed to vote,
and they voted.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
They voted. But you know, it's I would think that.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
It would be more scrutiny on those and if if
New Jersey can't find or didn't know about until now,
those that said I'm not allowed to vote, who volunteered
that information. I'm not a resident, I cannot vote, and
they gave him the right to vote anyway. What about
the ones that didn't check the box that they weren't
a resident or did check a box that they are
a citizen and weren't and voted. I think that's a
that's a cash of votes as well that need to

(39:21):
be found.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
All right, Moore, coming up, it is the Rod and
Greg Show with you on this Thursday, Talk Radio one
oh five nine can arrest. We're big sports fans, yes,
and we are often critical of the various commissioners of
the various sports leagues that we enjoy. Yes, major League
Baseball for sure, Yeah Baseball, And then yeah, well, pulling
the All Star Game out of Atlanta a couple of

(39:42):
years ago, What a dumb idea that was? And then
Goodell with the NFL, He's made He's the lea made
some bonus to.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Be the most hated commissioner of a professional sport. Ever,
every time he gets up at a draft, it doesn't
matter what city's hosting it. The boo birds. It is
just a pure sea of booze when he comes out.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Now, so far Gary Betman with the NHL's done. Okay,
I don't recall anything dumb things he's done yet.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
He reminds me of the Count from Sesame Street. One
looks just like him. It looks like the Count to Mesuppet.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
And the commissioner of the NBA.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
We're going he's a big dummy.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Not Stern. It's not Stern is the NBA guy. He
knows everything about Adam Silver.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
I was looking at his face and thinking Stern, it
was Madam Silver.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
But I think the dumbest league officials in all of
sports in America right now, Greg are the leaders of
the w n B. A. Yeah, I mean you have
got You know, your task as league leaders is try
and generate enthusiasm, put a great uh, a great game

(40:53):
in front of the fans, create enthusiasm, and uplift your
great players. You know, they become the face of either
the franchise or the league.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
So here you have a young woman coming to the
league a couple of years ago named Kaitlyn Clark. Had
a huge following at Iowa collegiate career beyond iowad. I
think everybody.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
She said, I think that the college scoring record for
a female basketball player. Yeah, you had collegiate basketball.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
You had little girls who were probably playing basketball at
the time, buying jerseys to where a number. You know,
they got excited. So Caitlyn comes into the league and
what happens. She's tweetd like dog meat.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
And she goes to Indiana, which is a story basketball steam.
I mean, they love they love their basketball. It's a
perfect story. It has all the ingredients to really put
the w NBA on the map. They hadn't been doing great,
had a team for a while, and then that didn't
go any So yeah, all the ingredients are there for
this this new era for the w NBA, and they
have blown it.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah big time.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
You know what. And I got to tell you, I
think that I just think women are just mean to
each other too. I just think I think they're They
talk about you know, quality and workplace and everything, but
you put two women in the same workplace, boy, you
better watch out.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
You've been big careful at each other.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
Now.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
The latest chapter is Sophie Cunningham. Yes, okay, so Sophie
cunning Ham has kind of become the defender of Caitlyn Clark.
You know, I love the finger pointing one because she.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Person she's if you don't know, folks, because you might
have seen the finger, but you don't know what she's doing.
What happened. The back story is that one of the
other players just hard fighting, didn't even just really assaulted
Kaitlyn Clark, just went after her when she was down
the ground and gave her a hit. And so Sophie
Cunningham is a bit of an enforcer. She comes in
and she's not afraid to fight. She just comes in
and starts. They break it up between them, and she

(42:44):
just keeps pointing to her like I know, I know
who you are watching you, eyes on you. And so
that's become that's gone viral big time now. Caitlin Clark
would do herself some good to quit telling people when
people try to defend her, she's quick to say, you
don't have to defend me, and she but she should
like she should defend herself or she should get very critical.

(43:05):
She's never critical. Sophie Cunningham, on the other hand, she's
coming loaded for bear on.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
This well again. A couple of days ago, here Sophie
Cunningham just retweeting a treat that was put out a
couple of years ago said men should not be in
girls' bathrooms. Yeah, okay, simple common sense. Is she ever
getting fried?

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Now?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
How dare you say that? Who's Meghan Rapino? Is that that? Yeah?
I'm so sick of that woman who was on the
soccer team for a while.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
She said this country didn't she would kneel during the
pledge of religion?

Speaker 2 (43:34):
She would? She say in the view the other day,
I welcome men into women's sports. It would be good
for women. Now this comes from a woman whose team
got beat by a bunch of fifteen year old soccer
players in Dallas. Yeah, okay, but explain to me why
having men compete on women's teams would be good for women.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
She also made a statement, there's no answer that because
it's not. But she even said they say that, you know,
there's it's dangerous. I don't know why. Well, then maybe
you haven't watched the concussions that females have received in
volleyball in high school from a male playing against them,
or you didn't see the in the Olympics the male
boxer that broke the female boxer's nose in the first round.

(44:18):
If she doesn't understand what the danger is of letting
biological men play women's sports, then she's either incredibly ignorant
or she is on purpose trying to dismiss real examples
of where it's been unsafe. Yeah, and that's just on
the on the field of play. Go let's go to
the locker room room. Okay, that's where I think it

(44:38):
even gets more dangerous in terms of when you dress
and how where are you what you're doing there. And
so I just think that Sophie Cunningham is saying something
that's so intuitive so that the rest of America understands.
But nutjobs, I want to, you know, somehow want to
blur the lines between genders. They're doing no one any favors,
including themselves.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Cunning Him today doubled down on what she said. She's
not backing down. I think I said what I said.

Speaker 9 (45:02):
I think it's kind of common sense, and I think
I always believe in that. I think it's really important
to protect children, and that's little girls who are also
involved in that category. And so I stand on what
I said, and I always believe that. Do you see
your advocacy on that like taking any form going forward.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (45:21):
I didn't. I'm not a very political person, but I
do have beliefs, I have morals, and I'll always stand
on those and be true to true to who I am.
And I think people are going to take it how
they want to take it. But I have never even
really said anything about that. And so when it comes
just to protecting young girls in sport and women in sport,
I feel very strongly about that. I think that's why

(45:42):
you have Title nine, that's why you have some of
the greats in women's sports. If Title nine and women's
sports weren't protected, then you wouldn't hear about any type
of women in sport. And so I think in the
future it's just really important.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
To protect Why even have women's sports if you're going
to allow men to play in them?

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Nine said that the universities. I believe this was the
ruling that if you had whatever number of male athletic
scholarships you provide, you need to provide the same number
of athletic scholarships for women's sports in your schools. And
that opened the door and really did create a lot
of opportunities for women to play colle women's sports, and
a lot and a lot of schools started athletic programs

(46:21):
and fields they weren't in before. That provided all kinds
of opportunities. And that's what I think she's talking about.
You blur the lines between men and women, and you
don't can't distinguish between the two. How do you ever
know what a scholarship went to a male or female?
It underminds it all.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
More Coming up on the Roden greg Show and Talk
Radio one O five to nine k n RS. All Right,
welcome back to the show. We're talking about the situation
involving the WNBA and a player with the Indiana Fever.
Her name is Sophie Cunningham, good friends with Kaitlyn Clark.
Has defended Kaitlyn Clark the other day. She has stirred
it up again. And she's not afraid to stir up things.

(46:59):
That's why that's I really admire about this this woman.
But she basically said men should not be in girls'
sports or in girls' bathrooms. And she's getting a lot
of heat for this.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
When we say she's getting a lot of heat, you
got to look at it. I mean, this is a
great commentary of the people that would give heat on this,
whether it be the journalists or the people the trolls online,
because this country fundamentally believes see the Shining Sea, that
boys should not be playing against girls in sports. This
is not it. This isn't even a political issue. This
is just common sense. Really it is. And if anyone

(47:32):
doubts that, then the emperor has no clothes. Somebody has
convinced you that common sense and chromosomes don't exist, because
that she is expressing the opinion that we Americans all
hold as instinctive. We know the difference between a male
and a female, and we don't want biological men playing
against women in sports.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Well, you know, we've talked about voter ID and we
say that's kind of an eighty twenty issue. Yeah, this
issue is probably like a ninety nine one issue.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
And what's so weird is that that some people think
that Trump did so well in the election because he
said while she is trying to protect they them, Trump
is going to protect you, okay from her. Remember there's
this story about her wanting to put men in the
women's prisons and do all this other stuff, give them
free sex changes and all that. It didn't play in
the presidential election. I don't know why they haven't let

(48:22):
go of this issue already. I mean, it's not one
that they're going to come out, you know, successful on.
Because again, you can go to California and some of
the most Democrat, working class, Democrat communities in southern California
around the ports, you know, the La Port there, it's
called the Inland Empire. Those are those working class families.
They're not Republicans. They are going to their schools. Irate

(48:46):
that women would be playing girls would be playing against boys.
They're they're they're defending their children and their safety of
their children on a bunch of fronts, that education is
putting these kids at risk. And and so it's just
it's not a part of an issue.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
You know what I think is the most stunning thing
about this entire debate over trans issues that's been going
on for several years in this country. Now, where are
the women's organizations where is now? Wouldn't you think now
would be fighting for Title nine and saying we need
to protect Title nine? Where where are the Mormon Women

(49:22):
for Ethical Government?

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Don't you think the's something like that?

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Nope? No, you know they It shows how about this.
When I was a lawmaker, I had the gay community
tell me, you know, Greg, you'll being you know, it's
not a choice what sexuality you want. People there, people
are born different ways, they have these different you know,
you're it's not something that you can do. Years to
be transition therapy used to be trying to if someone

(49:48):
thought they were same sex attracted, you could counsel them
and get them to be, you know, opposite sex attracted.
And we were told none of that could be the case.
And then all of a sudden, this trans movement comes
on and now, well your preference, sexual preference is as
fluid as whatever, you know, whatever, whatever the time is today,
it could be anything. It could be male today, it

(50:09):
could be female tomorrow. There is no it's a fluidity,
There is no you were born with, There's none of that.
They have walked away from every principle. And in fact,
if you want to think about it, what the trans
movement actually argues that there's no such thing as same
sex attraction because if you are a guy and you
like another guy, well then you must be a female

(50:30):
who likes that guy. You're you're it's actually a hetero
relationship that you're just you're just in the wrong body
because you're a guy. You like another guy, so you're
actually a woman. It actually, I think it actually betrays
what the gay community has been arguing for all this time,
and they themselves cannot even draw the line or distinguish
between the two, uh but completely different messages.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Well, Stephen A. Smith as weighed done on this. He
reads a couple of lines from what she had to
say and then has his reaction to.

Speaker 10 (50:59):
It is rule for absolutely everyone here, And I think
there's room to love everyone. I truly think when you
get people in the same room and you have conversations,
you actually have a lot in common with a lot
of people. I'm there to love, but I'm also there
to love biological women. And I think that there are
rights that need to be protected, and like I said,
I'm going to stand tue to that. I'll never falter
in my beliefs in that. But I have never once

(51:19):
said I hated the trans community. Like I said, I
think there's space for everyone. I can't applaud her enough.
This notion that you're hating on the trans community because
you are not a proponent of them participating in female
sports is utterly ridiculous. Sophie Cuttingham said every word right
on the money. There's no hate involved, there's only love

(51:41):
we're talking about. But what happened to love in girls
who are born biologically as girls? What about their rights?
What about fairness associated to them? Leah Thomas, I'm going
to keep bringing that name up. Four hundred plus in
the world competing as a male transitions to female and
was number one. If we're gonna act like transition from
male to female doesn't involve an advantage for that trans athlete,

(52:05):
I have nothing to say to you.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
You're not you're not you're not exercise and common sense. Yeah,
and most people in this country anymore, greg aren't exercising
common sense or I don't want to say most people.
The people who support this trans effort and getting boys
in girls' sports, they have no common sense.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
They don't and in fact they don't. I mean you're
seeing you're and you're seeing the Olympics I think are
trying to correct on this. They're they're changing their rules.
They're going back to the boys can't play and girls
compete against girls. You're seeing it in I think even
in collegiate sports. I think there's been a movement back
to this, I think the Pengdum swinging back. But that's
why it surprises me that when Sophie Cunningham says something
so intuitive, so again common sense, and most of us

(52:43):
in this country absolutely agree with her, that the regime
media and these leftists can actually stir up controversy or
try to try to make it look controversial what she's saying,
to the point where she has to answer again the
next day. Do you do you stand by what you said? Yeah,
I do. Actually she doesn't.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
I'm backing down.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
But they look at how they just try to hound
her and they try to shame her out of a natural,
absolute common sense position. Yeah, it's you know, that's why
you have us. We're here to call them out. We're
here to tell you you're not crazy. They're crazy. We
know the difference between boys and girls. We know that
the chromosomes are real. You know that's it.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Well, we may be a little crazy, but not on this,
on that. No, not on this issue.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
No, no, not there.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
All right, more coming up, Rod and Greg with you
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
k n RS. Were you a big Jay Leno fan.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Oh yeah, were you look at me? I look like Jay? Okay,
I just put the under by time. I used to.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
I was as big of a fan as I was
Letterman early on, but I became a bigger Leno fan.
He was on the Adam Corolla radio show today. I
had never heard this story, but listen, talk about a guy,
an upstanding guy. Listen to the story about Jay Leno.
When I was doing the Tonight Show, I was making
thirty million a year. It's ridiculous, okay. And NBCs, well,

(54:03):
we're going to have to cut half the crew, you know.

Speaker 11 (54:07):
So we had a big meeting. I said, all right,
both show hands, how many fail? I should take a
fifty percent pay cuts?

Speaker 2 (54:13):
So who can keep everybody?

Speaker 11 (54:14):
Well, I got out of voted the boy. I got
screwed on that one. But really, I already have fifteen
million dollars. I'm doing pretty good.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
You know.

Speaker 11 (54:24):
I never thought i'd get this far. And you know something,
they were the best crew for the rest of the days.
You know, everything was always terrific. It was a union crew.
Everybody been a good living. You know, guys who come
up and show me the car they bought or the
house they got around the corner or whatever it might be.
And it didn't cost me anything.

Speaker 12 (54:43):
Really, the legend is is that you always kept all
those Tonight Show checks. You made your money doing live performances, yeah,
corporate things and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
You got to be hungry. I I I live on
I used to live week to week.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Did you literally just put those checks? You know?

Speaker 11 (55:03):
I know the bank and I read that the money
I made as a stand up Yeah, I wanted to
be a comedian. I never thought TV was a job
that would last year? How many years did you do
that till the very end? I never touched any of it.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Wow, So he's getting all this money fifteen or thirty
million dollars he just put in the bank because he
wants to earn his money by doing stand up comedian.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
And you know, I didn't know that story either, but
it makes sense because I remember I'd see like an
advertisement he's out in Wendover, and when he was doing
Tonight shut I'm thinking, what is he doing in Wendow?
Like why would he go? Like what I mean? Yeah,
is he hard up? I mean I mean not that
it wouldn't be fun to see him, but I just
you'd think thirty million a year. You're not a wendover
on a given weekend, you know, doing stand up But

(55:45):
now you know.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Well he made his money doing stand up comedy, speaking
to organizations, you know, having fun with them. That's where
he felt he was earning his money. He wasn't earning
it hosting The Tonight Show. Well, you know a funny
he put that money away.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
An interesting parallel is that Earl Woods when he dealt
with this tiger when he became a pro. He said,
you're gonna take all your endorsement money, Nike, everything else,
and you're gonna put it away and never look at it.
You're only going to live on your what you win.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Really, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
And you're gonna You're going to live on your tournament
winnings and that's it. And he did that for a
long time and I don't know when he stopped, but
but he he he stayed hungry that way. He was
going to live on what he made, and he made.
He won eighty tournaments in his life. Yeah he did, okay,
so he was like he was diet on the vine.
He won the second most major is next to Jack Nicholas. Ever,

(56:31):
so like what fifteen or whatever, thirteen something like that.
But anyway, he makes he made a lot of money playing,
but that's what he lived on.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Yeah, so it's just like Jay in question. We all
know Jay Leno and his love of cars, right, can't
you tour that where he has his car stored?

Speaker 1 (56:46):
I don't know, I would love you.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
I think somewhere down in southern California. I think it's
in Long Beach, but he has this big, big warehouse
and you can take a tour of the cars that
Jay Leno just loves and owns.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
I always enjoyed. I thought he was standing absolute class act.
And he's been one to say, don't you leave your
politics out. He was like Johnny Carson that way. He
didn't think that there was any role they He was
an equal opportunity. He would tease. He would tease the
president of the of that time.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
And Letterman was like that at the beginning, but as
the show went on years later he just turned.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Remember he had some side ship there at you know,
at the show, and he was a weirdo.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
All right, more coming up, I'll renumber three of the
Rotten Greg shows stayed with us. W have a barbecue
when it's one hundred degrees out.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
People still get out there. Yeah they do, so someone will.
I can't say it's me, but.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
No, it's I may find a movie to go see.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
That's actually a good idea. Yeah, I'm trying to.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
I've seen I've seen the audissey Man.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
I'll tell you what you don't want to see that.
I keep reading negative reviews the no I like. I
swear to you. Everyone is saying that thing is woke
and you're the and you you swear.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
This reading you know they It bugs me that people
read so much into something just everyone just enjoyed the.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Art, but they're saying that they rewrote they rewrote it
in a way that's not accurate. It's all it's all
modern and it's and it's not good. That's what that's
that's that's the buzz. That's the buzz. I liked it, Well,
you like, Uh, there's a lot of things you like. Yeah,
you like Taylor Swift and you hate so there. I

(58:33):
hate Journey, Yeah, well there's yeah, Calculus.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
I hate the songs. I don't mind the band who
spoke out and he went after up. Yeah he sure did.
All right, let's talk more about what happened in New Jersey.
I mean it's pretty amazing. Greg. Democrats have so much
egg on their face right now. Oh, this doesn't happen
in America. Pure no.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
But they're acting like the like the CNN. That's a
mostly peaceful protest. As the building burns behind him, they're saying, no, no,
not this here. Sixty six hundred, that's nothing, that's decimal dust.
What are you mad about?

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Yeah? Well, joining us on our newsmaker line to talk
more about the New Jersey vote information, Josh Finley. He
is the National Elections Protection Protection Director at the Texas
Public Policy Foundation. Josh, give us the latest your thoughts
on what's going on in New Jersey.

Speaker 7 (59:25):
Well, what's happening in New Jersey should be a blow
to anyone that has said that non citizens don't register
to vote and that they don't actually cast votes in elections.
In New Jersey, the governor, a Democrat, admitted that over
six thousand, six hundred non citizens were registered to vote
in just two years twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four,

(59:46):
and that about four hundred of those non citizens actually
cast ballots in New Jersey elections. So anybody that has
said that this doesn't happen. They're just lying to you
at this point.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Yeah, And here's the part about that story that I
think doesn't get enough attention. These are people that were
allowed to vote, registered to vote, who honestly filled out
state forms that asked are you a legal resident here?
And they said no. They were not even misrepresenting their status,
and they were still given the right to vote. Doesn't
that beg the question how many people lied? How many

(01:00:20):
people wanted to vote? They asked them the question, they
didn't answer it honestly, and are still on the books today.
I don't hear that discussed. Do you think there's a
risk with that.

Speaker 7 (01:00:28):
Oh, there's a tremendous risk with that. Yes, So you're
exactly right about that. These people said that they were
not citizens when they filled out the forms, and the
information was then transmitted to the State of New Jersey
by this vendor. You know, the interesting thing is is
ultimately the state of New Jersey has the responsibility for
checking and cleaning its voter rules, and they obviously have

(01:00:51):
not been doing that. And so yes, you have to
think that anybody that was a non citizen that actually
wanted to register for the last couple of years could
have because clearly New Jersey wasn't checking citizenship, were verifying
who was on their roles.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Josh, we've learned about what's going on in New Jersey.
Why do I think it's probably happening all over the
country and New Jersey is not alone in this.

Speaker 7 (01:01:14):
Well, i'll tell you why this is interesting. You know,
several weeks ago before the New Jersey governor said this,
the Republican Party in New Jersey came out instead that
they had records of non citizens being registered to vote.
They said that they knew that they had been registered
through this motor voter system, and they also said they

(01:01:35):
had records of non citizens actually casting ballots. And of
course Democrats throughout the state and across the country just
blew it off. They said, there's nothing to see here,
this isn't true, This is just more conspiracy. Well, you know,
then the President made a statement that tens of thousands
of New Jersey's potential non citizens were registered to vote

(01:01:57):
in New Jersey. And only then after that came out
in the Department of Homeland Security said that they're going
to investigate the voter rules. Did the governor come out
and say we might have made a mistake here. We
should go back and fix this. You know what's interesting,
The reason you're concerned about this in other places, though,
is it was tens of thousands of voters in New Jersey.
The President himself said it was over one hundred thousand

(01:02:19):
voters in California. And this could be happening all over
the country. We don't know the extent of it because
so many states are fighting back against efforts to clean
their voter rules.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
You know, and I agree, I don't think we're lucky
enough to see the silver bullet. The only time it's
ever happened is the only time we ever saw it happen.
I just don't buy it. I don't think the odds
are there for that. Here's an interesting twist. John Solomon
reported that they reached out. He reached out to the
software company, where the governor pointed to a software error. Okay,
it was this company and their software error that created
the confusion. Their public statement is that we have no error.

(01:02:53):
This is not happening on our side with our software.
This is a human error. So you have a dispute
even amongst the state of New Jersey and the software
company about who's really making this error. I tend to
lean to the side the software companies getting is a
scapegoat here. I don't know that there is. I mean,
because they do a lot of important things like even
tsa pre approval. Do you have any cynicism about her

(01:03:17):
statement pointing and blaming the software company.

Speaker 7 (01:03:21):
Well, there's no point in blaming the software company here
because all they do is transmit information. And I do
tend to believe the software company here. They say that there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Was no error.

Speaker 7 (01:03:31):
But either way, the responsibility of the state of New
Jersey to clean its voter rules, it's something Remember New
Jersey has fought every effort to have people clean its
voter rules or to even look at it. You know,
the Department of Justice is do New Jersey over this
just to get access to the voter roles and access
to the procedures that New Jersey is taking to clean

(01:03:52):
their voter rules. And they fought against just that level
of transparency. So now to see them casting the blame
on somebody else when they've been backed in a corner,
it's not surprising at all. But yes, I have a
lot of doubt about what the State of New Jersey
is doing to clean their.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Voter rolessh didn't we get a clear hint last week?
I think it was the least luck in the senator
from Michigan who said if the Act Save America Act
is a past, Democrats will never win another election. Didn't
that give us a hint as to why they're so scared?

Speaker 7 (01:04:26):
Well it should have. I mean that tells you a
lot about their electoral strategy, right, But their electoral strategy
counts on non citizens registering to vote and then not
documenting who is actually casting the ballots. You know, it's interesting.
We've known a lot about potential foreign interference in elections,

(01:04:47):
and even states that have done good at cleaning their
voter roles, like Texas and Alabama have acknowledged that people
slip through the cracks. And so it only makes sense
that states that are resisting efforts to clean their voter
roles are going to see huge years like this. And
what that statement told us is this is part of
a strategy by the Democrats to win elections.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Absolutely, there's no other reason why you would be a
post especially when you see the polls. The polls overwhelmingly
Americans without regard to party support, having id to vote.
Here's I think that the Democrats and the regime media
are doing their level best to try and look, you know,
dismiss this or try to get it out of America's
attention because they know it's indicting. But you know that
this is a big deal. When Crazy James Carvel two

(01:05:28):
hours ago, there's a video of him saying, we are
not going to win the war against some kind of ID.
Every poll shows seventy five percent or better, say we
should have ID some kind of ID to vote, just
quit fighting and go along with it. That's him calling
out the Democrats. When crazy James Carvel is running for
the hills, how his the tide turn? Do we actually

(01:05:48):
have a shot at the Save America Act?

Speaker 7 (01:05:51):
I do think we have a shot at it. And
you know, the longer that the Save America Act stays
part of the national conversation, I think the better odds are.
Because you're right, you said seventy five I assume polls
that show that it's more like eighty percent of Americans
across the board Republicans, Democrat, doesn't matter. Believe that only
citizens should vote in American elections, then you should have

(01:06:12):
to have an ID to vote. That you should have
to prove who you are. Right now, what you're seeing
is just politicians letting politics get in the way of
the will of the American people here. But there's too
much logic behind what Americans want for it to stay
like this for too long, you know. I the Senate
always has procedural things to overcome. But every time the

(01:06:34):
House just just past the principles of the Save America
Act for the fourth time, every time this comes up
before the Senate, I think the odds get a little
bit better that we're going to get this thing passed.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
On our newsmaker line, that's Josh Finley, he is with
the Texas Public Policy Institute, talking about the elections, everything
that's going on in New Jersey. You had one other
thing you wanted to add to this? Do you want
to do it after the break? Yeah? I want to
do it after break? All right, mare coming up on
the rod In greg Show and Talk Radio one oh
five nine knrs.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Okay, folks, just wanted to tell you, I know how
I have two factors that if we could plug in
to American politics, we would get the Save America Act
passed inside of thirty seconds. We would have the most transparent, dependable,
reliable chain of custody, you you name it, elections we've
ever seen. If we had two variables that would change.

(01:07:26):
But they're not going to. But I'm just going to
tell you what they are. First, if we had Republicans
that were willing to cheat and go to the lengths
that Democrats got. No, I'm saying if these two variables changed,
you would find there would be bipartisan support to create
greater transparency and chain of custody on elections. You'd have
a fair election process. And that is if Republicans were

(01:07:47):
willing to cheat. By cheat, I mean harvest ballots everywhere
from any any source, just like the Democrats do. And
it's not I mean it's cheating by way of whether
it's fair enough. But in California that is one hundred
percent legal process to harvest ballots. It can be anyone.
And you can go to the second variable though, that
you would need as a Republican if you wanted to
go ahead and replicate what the Democrats are doing today

(01:08:09):
and harvest ballots from everywhere because there's an unsolicited mass
mailing of ballots that go out, so ballots are easy
to get. You just have to harvest them and bring
them back in. You have to have demographics like homeless
populations in the tens of thousands, and illegal immigrants and
the hundreds of thousands. Okay, if Republicans had access to
those types of demographics, those numbers of people who they

(01:08:32):
could help harvest ballots, that they wouldn't have cast the vote. Otherwise,
if you had those two variables with Republicans, the Democrats
would end this charade in a second. They would not
want to play that game, but they want to play
it because we don't play it. We're not willing to cheat,
and I don't mind that, we're not willing to shoat,
but we're not willing to harvest ballots, and we don't
have access to the faceless, nameless people that you can

(01:08:55):
actually attach a ballot to that in states, they have
gained this up so bad that I mean, this is
why the guy, the mayor, the candidate for what was
his name already forgot it that ran for l a mayor.
What was his name?

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Bratt Spencer Pratt.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Yeah, Spencer Pratt. All the votes that came in after
the after the election that beat them all came from
skid Row. I mean, come on, anyway, we we just
don't have those two variables.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
No, we don't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
We did, we'd have fair election.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Can you can you believe the fuss that he's been
made today over this poll? I think it's out of
New Hampshire where Alexandria Acostio Cortez is leading the Democratic
field to be the nominee for president.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Good. I mean, I don't want to say. I remember
how they all taunted Trump and said run do it
and then they regret saying it. I I just don't
know that. I think that the base loves her. They
love Mom Donnie, probably they love these extreme leftists Americans won't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
No, no, I can you see her being president?

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Could you see her in a debate?

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
I just don't end by.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
She'd be good in a debate, you know, I think
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Good personality, But on the facts and on how to
to counter point and counterpoint, I don't think she would
be there. By the way, people say, oh, she's a bartender,
she had a lot of that job. Is that's kind
of her image? This is something I'm this Brooklyn girl bartender.
But she grew up in a in upper state New York,
in a very nice, middle middle class community. She had

(01:10:20):
a lot other jobs that were not bartenders.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Because I brought that up to my wife to I said,
could you see a bartender being president? Well that's not
very nice.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Well, the thing is that's that is a brand she
tries to create. She's had other jobs, but she's I
don't think I've listened to her case against the Electoral College,
for instance, and I don't think it's overly compelling, and
I don't think she's moving minds. But I think the
left love her. I mean, she's got the looks and
she's got the personality that that young people are drawn to.
And so anyway, I think that there's a I hope

(01:10:49):
that the that the Democrats they pick one of these
loans on the left, because I don't think they're going
to have the kind of appeal broadly that that a
good solid that should She was.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Number one, Okay, Kamala was number two?

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 8 (01:11:04):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Number two was Pete Budaje. Yeah, boy, wonder.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Yeah, he the most where he said, he's the only
guy I've ever known. And I'm not even kidding. This
isn't hyperbole. I've never ever ever heard a transportation secretary
make Rhodes racist, and he literally he made a straight
faced argument and he got caught on camera. H you know,
he's going to the Capitol. He's got a suburban taking him.
Get them right in front of the Capitol. They open

(01:11:30):
up the back, take his bike out so he can
get on his bike and take the last hundred yards
to the to his office. I mean, it's such a phony.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
But the pole very bad news for Gavin.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Oh no, even amongst the loons, he's not doing well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
He's he's like three percent. Really yeah, that's actually he
was there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Here's what's scary is I think that guy could actually
pull the wool over American's eyes because he his lying
is flawless. He can tell you up is down, down
is up, and he sounds convincing when he says it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
I think things are catching up. But Kevin news Well
California should he deserves I think, what? Yeah, I can't
see the Democrats, but you know, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
He is one of the best ones.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
We have Donald Trump coming down the Golden escalator on
June fifteenth, back in what it was not twenty fifteen, fifteen,
twenty fifteen air saying I remember the poll. The first
pole that came out on him was he was at
one percent.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Yeah, everybody laughed. I remember with my friends of mine,
I was saying, watch this Trump, He's gonna go and
everybody into the table laughed, just spontaneously laughed at me.
And how about Barack Obama? He came out of nowhere,
that's right, he did. You never it was supposed to
have that nomination back then.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Eight, she still has hope.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Four was it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Wait yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Yeah, and she's never gotten over.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Oh no. Remember she was never an election denier saying
that Trump stole that election. She could say that without
she was able to say it forever. That that was
a storm, and then nobody called her an election denier.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
No, all right, more coming up, final segment, final half
hour the Rod and Greg Show on Talk Radio one
O five nine k n RS. Got a great comment
on our talkback line about our discussion earlier about Sophie
Cunningham of the w n B. A. Let's listen and
see what they said.

Speaker 13 (01:13:18):
Hey, Rodding Gregg, this is Jeremy Lee High.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
I think the situation with.

Speaker 13 (01:13:21):
Sophie Cunningham is perfectly summed up by a meme. I
recently saw it said, parents everywhere pray that their daughters
will turn out like Sophie Cunningham, not Megan Rappino, the
purple haired ladies and the US men US women's soccer team,
the massive transactivist.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
And it's so true.

Speaker 13 (01:13:36):
If my daughter came out and has the courage of
Sophie Cunningham to call truth truth.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
I'd be proud.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
If she came out with purple.

Speaker 13 (01:13:43):
Hair and became an LGBTQ activist, I'd be a seller.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. You know, that is exactly right.
Who as you know, I've got kids are in their
twenties and you look at the Sophie Cunningham and I
think and with that perspective, absolutely, I would be very
proud of Sophie Cunningham. I'm proud of her now, courage
of her convictions. Right yeah, And then you see Megan Rapperno.
If that was my kid, It's like, where did I
go wrong? What did I do to have my kid

(01:14:09):
not understand the difference between genders? Imagine that kind of crazy?
I would have been disappointed myself.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Kind of crazy. Well, joining us on our Newsmaker line
is uh? I mean she wrote this terrific article about
American songs in elementary school. Remember singing those songs when
you were.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
A kid, I do mean Doodle Dandy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
America, the Beautiful, this Land is your Land, this Land
is My Land. All those songs, right, real American songs, Well,
apparently they have disappeared from many elementary schools over the years.
Never get exist, No, no, you never get them. But
let's talk more about that. Joining us on our any
hour newsmaker line is Jill Simonian. She is director of

(01:14:49):
Outreach at Peger You. She also is the host of
a podcast called Parent Alert. Jill, thanks for joining us.
These songs we all enjoyed. What has happened to these
songs in elementary schools.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Well, here's the thing. I have been at Prager You
Kids for about five years. We've been creating all of
our patriotic, wholesome content to get kids to love America,
whether they're in kindergarten or twelfth grade, and we have
videos and all this stuff. But I have done in
the last five years, I will say, extreme important, serious

(01:15:20):
research with what is happening in our schools now and
what has happened, unfortunately, is that the last decade our
education system. I would even say decade plus. Our education
system has been slowly but surely hijacked by politicized teachers
unions that have taken out the wholesome knowledge based, cultural,

(01:15:42):
literacy based education that all kids used to know, including
all of our patriotic America songs, grand old Flag national anthem.
A lot of schools these days across the country, unfortunately,
don't even do the Pledge of allegiance anymore because the
teachers' unions and other political organizations have infiltrated our system

(01:16:03):
to teach children that America is an evil place. We
are the only country in the world that is teaching
our children by way of our education system, public education system,
that America is not a good place. And that's what's happened.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
You know, these things happen. Yeah, I don't get the memo.
I don't know that the schools changed. My kids were
young and now they're young adults right now, and so
I didn't even I wasn't even aware that this shift
was happening. My wife taught every one of our kids
our home address and our phone number through songs. She'd
make up these tunes and the kids could sing it
back when did we find because that's why we sing
these patriotic songs. They put these important messages in song,

(01:16:40):
and we always remember them for the rest of our lives.
When did this trend happen? Was this the nineties of
two thousands and tens? When did we start to lose
this inside of our schools?

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
You know, I have two teenagers, and I'll tell you
one of them, in the first grade, had a fantastic teacher,
veteran teacher at our then book school. And this teacher
was a veteran teacher who had been you know, teaching
at the same school for decades upon decades, and she
taught my one daughter all in her first gray class,

(01:17:11):
all of the patriotic songs. So this was about maybe
ten years ago, right. The corruption I think started before that,
But in twenty twenty was when many of us parents
really woke up and noticed that with the lockdowns and
the you know, forced digitalization of education. I'll say, when
they had you know, students in digital screen classrooms.

Speaker 7 (01:17:35):
The.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
Patriotism and the love for country really stopped. I do
think that it stems back to the early two thousands
in really trying to divide kids into this victim of
pressor mentality right now in elementary schools. And this is
something that I talk about on I have a weekly

(01:17:59):
livestream that I on Prager you called Paranlear. We talk
about what's happening in classes across the country based on
things that people sent us, send us teachers and teachers
and parents. And something that is happening in kindergarten is
that this is not hyperbole, but gender ideology is happening

(01:18:20):
in kindergarten through picture books, through the scholastic book fairs.
There are now books being read to kids as young
as kindergarten saying things along the lines of, oh, you
don't have to be a boy or girl. You can
see and all of that has really superseded what used
to be taught in kindergarten. Numbers, letters, you know, making friends, kindness,

(01:18:46):
love for country, learning, the pledge of allegiance in kindergarten.
And it happened, I think, you know, maybe started happening
twenty five years ago. And parents like me who once
believed in our public education system through the public school teacher.
My mother was a public school teacher. I was a
believer in public education. But we started realizing in twenty

(01:19:07):
twenty hold on, things are very different now, and you know,
it's really saddening to me. But and you look at
the you know, recently galloped as this pool every year
measuring patriotism with young people, and the Gallup poll this
year hit a twenty five year low, with less than

(01:19:28):
half of gen Z young Americans feeling very or extremely patriotic.
And I think that, you know, those numbers continue to
plummet because our school system continues to devalue what America
is about.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
You know, Jill, I remember in my elementary school years,
I went to a parochial school. But every spring we
had a concert kids singing, and we'd sing many of
these American patriotic songs and we had fun doing So
what are kids the kids themselves missing out by not
being able to sing these songs because they are a
lot of fun to sing.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
They are fun to sing, and it's the I like
to say, there's many different parts, right, So part of
it is the introduction for love of country. Part of
it is learning some of the history at age appropriate
at very elementary levels for the United States and so forth.
But I think I think I'm talking just as a
mom here. I am not a credential teacher. But you know,

(01:20:22):
I've been me deep in this stuff for you know,
five plus years, with figuring, you know, with researching what's
happening in education. And I think the biggest picture is
that kids are now losing out on feeling unified with
each other, whether you're friends at school, whether your acquaintances
at school. The youngest learners, kindergarten, first grade, second grade

(01:20:46):
used to be you know, it used to be all
about making friends and and we are all created equal,
and it doesn't matter where you live, It doesn't matter
what you look like, it doesn't matter what your family is.
We can all be in school together and we still unified.
And music does that. Music is I's always been the
grand unifier. And now with taking out I mean, you know,

(01:21:06):
you could say, okay, music education was extrapolated from schools
many you know, reasons, for budget reasons. But taking out
the music education with the patriotic songs, it is destroying
what used to create a foundational unity, camaraderie, friendship amongst
the young people in school that would, I would argue,

(01:21:28):
carry them throughout elementary school and middle school with that
love of country, with that foundational respect for Americans, fellow Americans.
You know, I'm your neighbor, You're my neighbor. We take
care of each other, that type of thing. It's stripping
kids of that, and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Very sad on our newsmaker line. Joe Simonian, director of
outreach at Pragier University, talking about singing those great patriotic
songs in school. I didn't realize they had disappeared.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Yeah, I didn't know that they didn't sing these songs anymore.
I mean, there's honestly was raft of the public school
experience I ever had. I don't recognize any of it anymore.
The question we ran out of time that I wanted
to ask is, so what happens from here? Does K
through twelve actually go back to some of the traditional
things that were good or is it just all school
choice now, private schools, homeschools, You're just gonna have to
go out and make your own.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
There are some schools and states around the country who
are pushing going back to traditional education. Yes, remember remember
memorizing the multiplication tables?

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Yes, my grandmother worked me to death together. I guess
I was having a hard time with that. We did
through a clock. We do like the.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Huh yeah, it was all memorization back then.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Yeah, it is. And the weather is the easiest number
to multiplay anything by, that's true. Fifty five five times eleven,
fifty five five times four to forty four. I mean
it's you just go forever. I can just go forever.
You nailed, I was still good nine times eleven ninety nine.
I had that down. Yeah, yeah, that was the one
I I memorized quick.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Then we and we'd have the history test and the
English test and had to memorize all that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
Yeah. Yeah, memorization. I don't think that's a bad thing. No,
huh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
The memory might not have stuck, but I think some
of that stuff does. And by the way, we can
self teach a lot now. By the way you can read,
you don't have to go to a library anymore. You
have a library at your fingertips now. I mean, there's
just a lot of different advantage that we have. I
just I think the way we learned, and I even
think writing things down, they've proven that writing it down
I still so much better than typing or whatever they're doing.

(01:23:29):
Writing things down is an important skill.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
If I'm studying for something. I still write it down.
You're right. I think it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Helps all the time, take notes, because it helps me retain.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Your kids even to write in cursive anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Actually cursive, No, I don't think they can read. Forget
right and cursive. I don't know that they can read.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
That's true, all right. Some final thoughts coming up on
the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh
five nine o k n rs. Just so impressed with America.
Apparently it's going to get invited to the White House
before you to go back to Germany.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Man Freddy has had a run, Freddy, Freddy, Freddy's done.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
There's a lot of people that actually got a lot
of attention coming to America from respective countries around the world,
but I think Freddie outpaced them all. I think he
got the best treatment.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
He did he did. Did you ever eat at a
California pizza kitchen?

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Yeah, I like California. Are I think they're all gone here,
are they? Yeah? Well, apparently the owners of the California
Pizza Kitchen say, guess what, California has become too expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Yeah, they're going to become the Montana Pizza Kitchen now
right now?

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
They may well the original owners have now moved to Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Well, as everyone seems to have done. I think you
and I might have to turn the lights out. Everybody
wants to move to Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Yeah, California. One of the owners says, California is less
business friendly today, and they make it apparent.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
WHOA, yeah, no they do. I mean they are literally
chasing out their population there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:59):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
Well, the illegals and people are getting money hand over
fist through fraud. But if you're actually making a living,
you're just getting attacked to death.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Yeah. COVID. COVID apparently almost killed California Pizza Kitchen. They
had to, they declared bankruptcy, had to reorganize. But they're
up and running again. But they said, uh uh, you know,
brutali takedown of the home state. They just it's too much.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Florida Pizza Kitchen.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Here we come, Florida Pizza Kitchen. Yeah, you're right, all right,
I saw this today. I don't know how they determine
these surveys. I love surveys because I think they're stupid sometimes,
but maybe that's why I love them.

Speaker 7 (01:25:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
The world's most narcisstic, narcissistic country.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
All day long, France or Germany. Germany, Yeah, oh easy,
France is number two. What's what's number? Does he give
you a number two? Let's see French or at least
that country has been so overrun by other by other populations.
I don't even know if their you know, I don't
know if Pierre is still there anymore. So I don't
know if if there still the French. But the French
that I knew from the nineties, boy, they were an

(01:26:04):
arrogant bunch.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
America sixteenth yeah, fifteenth three countries.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Well we should be a little lower because we're very nice. Yeah,
they were a nice country. You just read the you know,
the viral videos and watch them, you know, from people
around the world. They were very impressed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Germany is number one narcissistic, yes, followed by China. Always
thought Chinese people were nice. Well, you've been there, they're
they're okay.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
I wouldn't have put them too they there's a sometimes
I've wondered if it's arrogance or if it's just a
language barrier and a cultural barrier that makes them seem aloof.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
When you were there, did you get the sense they
liked you because you were American?

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Oh, you were a novelty. Yeah, my daughter came with me.
Oh did she had blonde hair. She's five eight and
blonde hair, and that's taller for a woman in China.
And with the blonde hair, kids would want to come
up and touch her hair. And then she was she
was kind of a little star, a.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Little celebrity, right right. Uh. The least word is that
the least. The least selford countries are Serbia.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Okay, you know I know some Serbs. Yeah, they're really slid,
the old guys.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Ireland.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
I'm from Ireland. That totally makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
I'm yeah, the u K.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
No, they're snobs. They've they've invented snob No. Abbey is
an outlier. She's an out but she's an outlier. She's
not she's not your typical brit Well, they they invented snobbery.
They invented they did, they did, And you know, they
got different accents out there. Abby's is beautiful, it's it's great,
but you know, you get these accents out there and

(01:27:41):
they just it sounds like they're talking down to you
when they're just asking for the time.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Denmark, I don't know about those countries.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
My my list would be Germany, France. If it's the
old school France, I would put I'd put UK three
uh and oh Japan, Japan, Oh, they're they really look down.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
By the way. Men largely found to be more self
obsessed than women. That's not a surprise, that's not true.
We're Neanderthals. We're not obsessed on any We don't pay attention.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
To the important stuff. That's another fake one.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
All right. That does it for us and I head up,
shoulders back. May God bless you and your family and
this great country of ours. Happy twenty fourth to all
of you.

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