The Rod and Greg Show: Effects of Immigration on Utah Residents; Trump's Courage on the Campaign Trail

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We'll talk a little bit later on about the old
GOP establishment and why in the heck are they for
Kamala Harris. I figured that one out. We'll get to that.
We'll talk about the courage of Donald Trump. And I'm
looking at a scene from Uniondale, New York right now
where Trump is about to hold a rally and indoor rally.
But you know what, Greg, nothing stops him. He just

(00:21):
keeps on going. And we'll get into that. We'll talk
about the GOP fight for citizenship and a unique idea
from a sheriff in Florida over those hope violence calls
that kids are making to high schools. I guess there
was another one today in the Canyon School District from
what I just picked up today. So it's kind of crazy.
So we do have a lot to get to today.

(00:43):
As always, we invite you to be a part of
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rod Well, the teamster's chickened out today, Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Kind of yeah, I mean you can say, yeah, they
didn't enjoge Trump. But the fact that they even took
a pass means they're all. That means that the not
the maybe the union bosses are all still on the
hook with the left, but the rank and foul, every
day America, hard working Americans, their members are overwhelmingly for Trump,
and that the best you can get out of that

(01:20):
is a is a pass. They don't they don't keep
behind Trump. Still even though the guy he spoke at
the Republican National he's he did a great job. He did,
and he's never been invited. He was never he wasn't
invited the Republican Convention before. And uh, but you know what,
he is getting tons of pressure from the other union
bosses of the other large unions. He was getting beat up.

(01:41):
He got beat up so badly just for being a
speaking at the Republican National Convention. I think that pass
is basically at the facto hat tip to every member
of the of the Union America, of the team series,
especially in Pennsylvania, you know, Michigan and Milwaukee, go for it.
Trump's our guy.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Well you look at it too, Greg, I mean even
and you you you mentioned this. They did a telephone
poll of union members. What is two to one in
favor of Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yet the leadership, now, we aren't going there there. You know,
I've always said, and it's this typical, this kind of
typical leadership.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Right it is.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I mean, growing up in Pittsburgh, it was always the
discussion that union bosses weren't union members they I mean
at least their their attitude and what they were, what
they were working on, her priorities. The union bosses, you know,
they roll up in the caddies and they tell, you know,
they give everyone ada boy, and then they go back
and do whatever they do. And it's the hard working
people that are left, you know, doing all the all

(02:36):
the work. And you know, union bosses and union workers
aren't the same person. Yeah, truly, they truly aren't. So
the union bosses still don't like Trump. Union rank and
file they.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
I think they kind of like they like Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Speaking of the presidential race, Kamala Harris was out and
about again today Greg and again said exactly the same
thing she's been saying for about the last fifty days.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Nothing.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, she cannot she cannot get off her talking points.
And someone mentioned earlier, Greg, and I think this is
this is very fitting as to how to describe her campaign,
Her campaign is plain enough to lose.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
They're in a prevent defense right now.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
And they don't want her to say anything that could
you know, ruffle feathers. So I think they're playing to
prevent defense.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
They are, and it's and I think this is it.
I think she has a ceiling on the most votes
she could possibly generate through fear and hate and fear.
I think hate comes first in the fear. I think
a hate in fear campaign with a broad coalition of
competing interest So you've got the environmentalists on one side,
and the and the you know, the fracking and the

(03:43):
gas and oil and the people that live on that
economy and the energy independence that the people that want
to see these are these are they can't live in
the same universe. But she needs both of their votes.
So she is so stuck in terms of positions. The
pro terrorist Tomas voters and then the pro Israel voters.
She can't go anywhere. She has a glass ceiling over
how many voters she can actually get motivated to get

(04:05):
out to the polls under a hate and fear campaign. Meanwhile,
you got Trump over there. Every one of his stories
are aspirational. Everything he's talking about is how we're gonna
get better, how we're all gonna do better, how energy
prices are gonna get slashed, how we're gonna not see
inflation grow like this. I mean, he is just he
is running an aspirational campaign of which I don't think

(04:27):
there's a glass ceiling on how many people can come
to that. So they are just they have to just
keep it together. And that's why I think it's a
prevent campaign, prevent defense, because she's doing they can't get aggressive.
They can't other than aggressive on Trump, which we'll talk
about today because I'm going to tell you the regime
media and the Democrats, these leftists, they have they have

(04:47):
not doubled, they've tripled and quadrupled down on Trump deserves
everything he gets, including being assassinated. And they're saying it
with a straight face. Yeah, with a straight face. And
that's called lowering the temperature. Yeah, apparently, And when you
want it was going on here, when you want to
get rid of the chaos, are you telling me that
the inflammatory and hate Leyden's speech that you're throwing at

(05:07):
Donald Trump and his supporters, by the way, that is
that is less chaotic. Yeah, that isn't the origin of
the chaos. It absolutely has been and is right now.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, I want to play this for you because you
know the AE told you I was fired up.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah, you're fired up.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Today the CBS Morning This Morning News show, which I
don't watch, primarily because of Gail King, who drives me nuts,
But they've been going around to different states kind of
getting getting an idea greg of how the residents in
these states feel.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Well.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
This reporter went to Nevada, our neighbor to the south right,
and she wanted to find out what people in Nevada
think about the presidential rates. She then came back and
reported and told on the set of the CBS Morning
News Today what she found out in Nevada and every.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
Single restaurant, the people willing to talk to us. We
could only find one Harris supporter in every restaurant, and
we left no stone unturned. I approached every single person
except for this one guy who I think had too
many drinks at the bar. But people are really excited
about Trump.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
So, I mean, it's tied in the polls.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
The Democrats have been winning that state since two thousand
and four.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
But what you're saying, looks like Trump has some momentum.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
Democrats been winning the state, but the margins are getting
smaller and smaller.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, they're getting smaller and smaller, you know, And I'm
with you, Greg, I just my gut tells me that
it could be a big win for Trump, you know.
But yeah, you know, my brain is saying, you better
be cautious, man, because you never know what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Do you have that same feeling? I absolutely do. I
think that if it is the case, and I do
believe it is that Trump under poles, that there are
more supporters out there than those that are willing to
participate in these polls, then when you see poles that
are all within the margin of errors in these states,
which he's never seen that kind of strength in sixteen
or twenty, he was so outside in terms of losing
those poles, outside the margin of air, on the wrong

(06:56):
side of those poles. And still he won in sixteen,
came within forty to sixty seventy thousand votes collectively over
four states, having lost. I mean, just so he over
he outperformed every poll. If he has that kind of
momentum in this third race, and he looks stronger this
time than they ever before. I think he's got it.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Now.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
What I'm worried about is this. You know, we're going
to talk about this establishment. Are they going to Are
they going to let that happen? And I don't know
what that actually means. I just know that they didn't
see him coming in sixteen, and that's how he got
in office. They did see him coming in twenty and
I do think by hook or crook, he didn't win
that election. But I just worry about election integrity and

(07:40):
hopefully we're just this wave is just too big to rig,
and that you see him elected.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Well, I want to play for you. We mentioned the
CBS reporter. Here are a few of the voters talking
to her about how they feel about the election and
Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Illegals they gotta go.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
People are coming here seeking asylum there for the freebies.

Speaker 7 (08:01):
I want someone who's strong, who demands respect and who
gets the respect, and you can deal with foreign leaders.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I think Trump's the guy. I tell you, I've never
owned a gun in my life, and I own four
of them now. Really, yes, I fear for our country.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
That first woman who made the comment about illegals coming
into the country.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I think this is what almost every American out there believe.
They do not believe that these illegal aliens are coming
into this country for asylum, Greg. They're coming into this
country for the freebies. Yeah, and I think that is
the prevailing attitude. I'm on a lot of people in
this country. Don't give me this asylum bs. You're coming
here for the freebies well, and you know you'll get

(08:43):
them well under the old model, that might have been
the case. It's you're trying to get away from a country.
You're talking about small populations.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
But what the numbers that are coming across now and
the volume and it is it has been on purpose,
and it is something this country has never seen in
terms of ill legal entry into this country. Call it,
call it refugees, call it illegal immigrants, call it whatever
you want. Our communities, without regard to political affiliation, cannot
sustain it. Can We do not have the infrastructure for

(09:12):
what is happening to cities and small communities across this country.
I don't I mean, I don't know how that doesn't
reflect against them in this current administration in Harris, in
the polls or in the election. I don't know how
everyone's going to be like, yeah, this is absolutely horrible.
Let's go with Harris.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Let's go all right, We've got a lot to get
to today. We're just getting started on the Rod and
Greg Show. We invite you to be a part of
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If you aren't aware what happened yesterday the Israelis, somehow
we're able to I guess sell a unknown hes Bolas

(09:51):
soldiers some pagers that were wired to blow up, and
at the same time yesterday they all blew up, and
I think they killed twelve people in injured like twenty
three hundred dollars. Well today they're two way radio is blue,
they're walkie talking. There's little walkie talking anymore.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
They sure did, you did?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
And look for those that were you know, what do
they call collateral damage people. I'm told there were some
other people that were in close proximity of them that
were also injured. No one's okay with that. Nobody likes that,
but it's certainly what they are doing right now is
certainly better than bombing whole regions of areas trying to
get to the same threats. So this is this is

(10:30):
I think very surgical, very and I'll tell you when
you see that many I've seen it on social media.
There's a lot of Hesbala terrorist running around. They're all
all over the place. They sure are all right.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
A lot has been discussed in this country over the
past couple of weeks about what's going on in Springfield, Ohio,
the influx of Hajian refugees coming in at that community
causing all kinds of problems. But you know what, we
have a not a similar story, but a situation that
is somewhat similar to what's going on in Springfield, Ohio.
And this is taking place in Harriman, Utah. Great, you

(11:02):
have some information on that told you. I mean, you've
got some background on what's going on there.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
I do.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
I've talked to state lawmakers that represent that area and
there and also the elected i the city council of
the mayor. They are really grappling. That community in Harriman
is grappling with thousands of I believe Venezuelan refugees, that
their schools, their public safety, their their infrastructure, every every
community infrastructure has not been able to handle or it's

(11:29):
been handling it, but it's been buckling as they're trying
to do it. And everyone wants to be Christian in
their approach, but it's it's had some dire consequences.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Well, let's go to the phones. We want to hear
from Dub who's calling him from Harreman here on the
Rotten Greg Show this afternoon and talk about what's going
on in his community. Dub, how are you? Thanks for
joining us since afternoon.

Speaker 8 (11:49):
Great and now I love y'all show. You're a great duo.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Thanks.

Speaker 8 (11:52):
I never listened to talk radio till this last six months.
I'll tell you, y'all, y'all are amazing what you do.
I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Thank you, dev thank you for the kind words. What
what are you experiencing dubn Harriman, Well.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Let me tell you.

Speaker 8 (12:03):
I'm a Texas native, moved up here, went to high school,
so I'm used to culture, used to be in a
minority growing up in Houston. I got a divorced about
seven years ago. But I have a house about a
mile away from the apartments in Harriman that I live in.
I have my kids halftime, so I wanted to be close.
I have seen these apartments go from about fifty to

(12:25):
fifty to where it should be, you know, or whatever
to I do not have one neighbor that I can
communicate with. I'm not exaggerating this, guys. The police are
there every day. I've had money stolen out of my car.
I've had all sorts of things that it's not I
don't think it's just them. I think there's bad people
in every culture, obviously, but it's so out of control there.

(12:46):
And one more thing. I have a really, really good job,
but I can't make it in this economy, being a
single father of three. So I do side gigs. I
do Amazon Flex every day. I do DoorDash every day.
I cannot get a DoorDash shift in South Jordan a
week in advance anymore.

Speaker 9 (13:02):
It's all illegals.

Speaker 8 (13:04):
None of them speak Spanish. I don't know how they
do it. I've talked to my neighbors about it. Same
with Amazon Flex. You go out there, I'm the only
guy out there that speaks English. I don't understand it,
but I can't even they're not taking hard labor jobs,
they're taking our easy side gifts that I used to
buy groceries and try to pay medical bills with for

(13:24):
my special needs son, and it is it's ridiculous. I mean,
I go to their school and I don't know how
they're doing this. There's students in the school to speak
not a word of English, so we're having teachers just
teach these guys. And I love honestly, I have. You know,
my cousins are mixed, and I get this. It's it's
just that they're the ones that aren't here legally are

(13:45):
a burden on us, and it has been the last
four years. Guys. I'm not just and I'm nice to
I get along with all of them great, but down
cry On Saturday night, man, I was like, I'm a veteran,
I bust in my butt for this country six years
and I can't even afford groceries and I see people
getting free groceries delivered in my apartment. Complay Wow.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Well I met with well dub.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
First of all, thanks for listening and thanks for finding us.
Hang in there, thanks for your service to this great
country of ours, and hang in there, man, I mean,
thank you for sharing that information. Thank you for sharing
that Yeah, it does educate people as to what's really
going on in this world.

Speaker 8 (14:24):
Absolutely, and we got to vote Trump, y'all. I'm not
either party, have never been. I've never voted since I
got out the Air Force in two thousand. I'm going
to vote the selection for Trump because it's about our
safety and it's about the American way. It's not about racism,
it's not about anything like that. It's about safety for
our kids and being able to pay our bills.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Yeah, you're you're right, Dub. Thank you. What a story.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Hu great and how many Americans are going through this
each and every day.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
You know this this Thank you doub again, RODZERI thank
you for calling. But this is why our listeners are
such an important part of this discussion every afternoon. And
I will tell you I've been aware of the elected
leaders issues that the conversations being happening amongst the elected leaders,
knowing that our infrastructure, our schools are those facts. But

(15:12):
I have never heard such a human impact as we
just heard from Dubb. And it mirrors what we're seeing
and hearing across this country. And I think the Ohio
Attorney General dealing with Springfield. Springfield said the same thing
about we are not here, And Dubb said this, We're
not trying to attack any individual. There is just a
raw number of people that are coming into communities that

(15:33):
is just edging out every day, hard working people where
they don't have any other options. That is happening, That
is happening in real life. And you know, I just, well,
what a random call, but what an important observation and
challenge that we're having in Salt Lake County, Salalate County.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
And I hope people listen to Dub for a few
minutes because he's not pulling our chain. I mean, he's
telling us what he's really experienced in real life. And
this is what the American people have to understand.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
In my opinion, he's working his tail off, but he
still can't afford to make ends meet, so it goes
to find these second jobs door dash. He can't get
those jobs because those soft jobs are being taken by
people who can't speak English and they're taking his job,
and that's not what the American people want. I mean, well,
I help these people. I understand that it's a man.

(16:22):
You can't have an impact like that on the American people.
Sooner or later, we're going to say enough's enough.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
You know what, And I got to tell you it's
not the American dream. There is no Do you know
how many people around the world want to come to
America and have been misled to believe that our laws,
our immigration laws matter, and they're trying to adhere to
to those laws and enter this country legally while this
is happening underneath them. I will tell you that nothing
about this is the American dream or is about bigotry

(16:49):
or anything. It's about the rule of law. How do
you do this the right way? And we can hear
from just a caller and all the stories that we're
hearing right now in this election season that this is
really impacting Americans in terrible ways.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Do you know the only people who want to leave
the country Hollywood stars who want to leave because Trump
will be elected. You know what, we'd say, bye bye
bye bye. Yeah, don't let the door hit you on
the way out.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Every one of you.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
The Rot Greg Show coming your way on this Wednesday
afternoon right here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five
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Speaker 2 (17:20):
So joining us. I know we've been on a roll
we've had We've been discussing the state of things here
in the United States, and in this campaign we're going
to go to this. I've been looking forward to this interview.
Christopher Roach is an adjunct fellow at the Center for
American Greatness. He's his column is about old, the old
GOP establishment for Kamala and it has been under my skin.

(17:42):
And I think that no one has done a better
job describing this establishment and how we found ourselves in
a world where the Cheneyese and the and the and
the Bushes and the and the Romneys are all team
Kamala Harris here in twenty twenty four. Here just to
describe what happened and how we got here is mister Roach.
Thank you for joining us on the program. Just again,

(18:03):
I tell us how did we get here? With the
GOP establishment has really joined ranks with the Democrat parties
in Kamala Harris's campaign.

Speaker 9 (18:14):
I mean, this is a long First of all, thanks
for having me on. You know, this is a long
story that really goes back to the first Bush administration
in the early nineties and after the Cold War ended,
the various groups that made up the Republican Party were
kind of trying to figure out what to do next,
and some of them wanted to have an aggressive foreign policy,

(18:38):
some of them did not.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
Some wanted to.

Speaker 9 (18:41):
Have open borders. Others were becoming uneasy with that, like
Pap Buchanan his nineteen ninety two run for the presidency,
and then under George W. Bush after the Clinton years,
which looking back, were not as bad as we thought
they were at the time. After the w administration, you know,

(19:02):
it was like everything we had everything right, We had
the House, state, the presidency, and there's very little to
show for it when his presidency was done. And this
is really what gave rise to the Trump phenomenon. People
were sick of the forever wars, people were sick of
the open borders. People were sick of our entire manufacturing

(19:24):
sector being exported to Mexico and China and elsewhere. And
that is the soil in which trump Ism grew. You know,
it's called populism or trump Ism, whatever you want to
call it, but that was the foundation of it. So
these other these you know, throwbacks, if you will, they
are all they don't like the change. They used to

(19:48):
sort of be in charge, and they liked the jobs
at the American Enterprise Institute and the foundations and the
power that they had when Republicans we're in office and
Trump is, as he has said many times, they hate
him because they hate us, the American people, and they

(20:10):
hate him because he really is a threat to business
as usual. That's the whole point of his campaign. That's
the whole point of his brand of populism. You know,
when he says make America great again. A big part
of that is dismantling all these things that have grown
up in Washington, DC that do not serve the interests
of the American people.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Christopher, I've always thought of the establishment as always getting
a chance to sit at the cool kids table, and
then in twenty sixteen, Donald Trump shows up at the
cool kids table and they simply do not like it.
My gifts is they've never gotten over that, have they.

Speaker 9 (20:45):
I think that's a good point and an important point.
I think a lot of their dislike of Trump is esthetic,
if you will. He is even though he's loaded and
he went to Ivy League schools, he sort of talks
and acts like a guy from Queen's who won the lottery.
He's much closer to regular people and how they think

(21:06):
and how they talk, and the kinds of things they
concern them. You know, the industry he comes from, real
estate development, is pretty gritty and you're dealing with a
lot of construction contractors and people like that. So I think,
you know, he didn't play the game, and he just
didn't talk the way they did, you know, with all

(21:27):
the little pieties of Washington, d C. Like if you
remember when Obama was trying to get Merrick Garland on
the Supreme Court, and thank god that didn't happen. All
these people, including many many Republicans, are talking about what
a great judge she was, and how he's a wise
man of d C. And as in the last year

(21:49):
or two, he's a completely partisan hack and he's.

Speaker 10 (21:51):
Kind of dumb, and you know, they made him out
to be this, you know, grand character, and every time
I've seen him speak, I think he sounds we stupid and.

Speaker 9 (22:02):
Crazy and aggressively leftists. So Trump, you know, every time
he said, you know, he's like the how would it
put He's like the smart fool in Shakespeare. He would
say things in an uncouth way, but he was really
hitting on something important a lot of the times. Even

(22:22):
his business with the cats and the Maitians and so forth.

Speaker 10 (22:27):
I don't know one way or the other.

Speaker 9 (22:28):
They're eating cats, so well, they're fighting it so aggressively,
you wonder. Yeah, but so now, and I met Haitian
people living here in Florida. There's quite a few. They're
mostly down in Miami, and a lot of them are
perfectly nice people. But I think, you know what, what
that story hits on is kind of something visceral, which

(22:51):
is the sense that we don't control our country anymore,
that's changing too rapidly, that that immigrants in general, even
if they're nice people, have very different ideas of what
it's normal and not normal, what makes a good neighbor,
what's acceptable and what's not. And when those things, when
too many people come too quickly from really alien parts

(23:11):
of the world, it's impossible to assimilate them. And instead
of US assimilating them, they're going to assimilate us. Yeah,
and that's that's really what Trump's getting at. So, yeah,
they're getting back to the bush people. I don't think
anyone cares with Dick Cheney or his daughter, who was
one of the real hacks of the January sixth Committee

(23:34):
and ended up getting just completely clabbored in the Republican
primary there in Wyoming. And Alberto Gonzalez. I haven't heard
of him in fifteen years, And you know, it just
seems like all the only after nine to eleven, we
had a lot of national unity, we had complete Republican governance,

(23:55):
and when it was all done, we had an even
bigger debt, an economic crisis, and a sailing war in
Iraq to show for it. I mean, that's that's how
we got here. So I think when you've messed up
that badly, you know, it's a little bit of soul
searching and a little bit of humility is in order,
and instead that they still act like they are the
kingmakers and they're definitely not.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
So last question bit real quickly, I thought, just the
way you just began this column about the old Republican
establishment rallies for Kamala, I thought you described it perfectly.
You know, Democrats used to be the party of government
and Republican or Democrats used to be the party of
government and Republicans were the party of business. Now Democrats
are the party of the system. Republicans under Trump, they
represent those of us outside the system. And I don't

(24:38):
know when it happened, but I feel like big corporations, big,
big corporations and big business merged with big government to
the detriment of the rest of us. To Isrod said,
there's a club and we're not invited, okay, And I
really do feel like the social engineering and the elitism
really is big corporations and big government on one side

(24:59):
and all of the American people and the rest of
us on the other. So with that said, the numbers
say we're we should win this election. There's more of
us than there are these elitis, right, So do we
win this elect Does Trump win this election? Given the
geopolitical shifts that you've described.

Speaker 9 (25:17):
Well, I'll start by saying, I really hope so, yeah,
you know, as far as I think it's going to
be close, because, as I point out in the piece,
it's not just rich people or professionals or corporate America.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
It's also a.

Speaker 9 (25:33):
Large class of clients that the welfare state has created
over time. And that includes everyone from all the millions
and millions of people on Medicaid to all the people
getting food stamps, and all the people depending on government
jobs and government pensions. So there's a pretty large constituency there.
And that's what I meant, and I linked to an

(25:55):
earlier piece. And when I talk about the system, that's
kind of what I mean by the system. Basically people
that the government is helping, and then there are those
who are financing this operation. So the ones financing at
everyone from their local bartender to the guy selling toyotas,
to someone starting a small business to the local handyman.

(26:16):
And some are rich and some are poor, but the
system is doing nothing for any of them. And they're
the ones paying two thousand a month for their family's
health care and have gotten completely you know, bulldozed by Obamacare.
So I think that, you know, and then there is
not you know, man does not live by bread alone.
So I think some of these other things, like from

(26:39):
immigration for example, like wow, you know, rent is going
up and it seems to keep going up, and I
can't afford a house, let's say, but ten guys living
barrack style from Guatemala or wherever they're from are able
to do it because they're you know, not living in
an American way, the way an American family would live.
So I think, you know, that there's a lot of issues,

(27:01):
and I think the one thing I will say that
gives me hope for Trump is I've met a lot
of people from a wide range of backgrounds, single moms,
blue collar people, Hispanic, my barber who barely speaks English,
you know, from Cuba, and they're all Trump supporters, and

(27:22):
you know, they all basically.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Say the same thing. Hope they come through.

Speaker 9 (27:25):
They say yea, and they all say, I'm not really
that political. But all I know is everything was a
lot cheaper and the economy was better when I was president.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Hear that all the time, Christopher, Yeah, same here, Christopher,
thanks for joining us tonight. We appreciate your conversation.

Speaker 9 (27:41):
Thank you, thanks so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Keep up the good works.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
That's Christopher Roach, adding fellow at the Center for American Progress.
More coming up on the Rotten Gregg Show. Interesting conversation
with Christopher Roach. Before the break, I mentioned to you,
I was, you know, at home last night, just vegging
for a little while and going through the TV channels,
and I came upon on this documentary called Reagan. I
think it's been around for a long long time. I

(28:04):
think it was put together by the History Channel. I
didn't watch the whole thing, but there was one line
in that and I don't know if Reagan said it
or if the people who wrote this documentary said it,
but Reagan when he ran, Americans felt that. Ronald Reagan,
because we're in such a dire situation with Jimmy Carter,
you know, we had the whole confidence thing in the country.

(28:27):
Ronald Reagan, according to this documentary, and this was a
line that was put in it, vowed to give America
back to Americans, which I thought was in. That line
just stuck with me all day. And I think that's
what Donald Trump is trying to do. He's trying to
give America, the country that we all know and love back.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
To all of us.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, because the question is if you want change. A
lot of people are pointing it to Donald Trump as
a change agent. Well, you say, well, he's been there before.
That's not really change, is it. I think it's the
presence and the overwhelming feeling of the federal government and
its crush on us is felt more by the American
people than ever before, and that is what has to change. Yeah,

(29:08):
this trajectory we're on is unsustainable. Everyone can feel it.
Something's got to change.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
And I thought that was a great line. Ronald Reagan,
vow to give America back to Americans. Yeah, I loved
it all right, got a lot more to come in
our number two at the Rod and great show. Stay
with us right here on Utah's talk Radio one oh
five nine cannerus.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
We have gotten such a reaction on this program, or
just reaching out about Dubb's call call it in the
four o'clock hour from someone who just heard what we
were talking about and is living this experience in harim
in Utah with immigrant it's it. We couldn't let the
We had a scheduled interview, which was a good one,
but we're coming back to it because there was such
a reaction to this.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Well, we'll set this up real quick. A Dub is
a a new listener to the show. Yes, fall in
love with this show appairently. I don't know why, but
he has. But you know, he called in because we
were talking about the impact Haitian immigrants migrants I should say,
are having on Springfield. You brought up the fact situation
going on in Harriman is very very similar. I don't
think it's as quite intense, but maybe it is. But

(30:19):
Dub called in and shared his story. I want you
to listen to what he had to say.

Speaker 8 (30:23):
I got it divorced about seven years ago. But I
have a house about a mile away from the apartments
in Harreman that I live in. I have my kids halftime,
so I want to be close. I have seen these
apartments go from about fifty to fifty to where it
should be, you know, or whatever to I do not
have one neighbor that I can communicate with. I'm not

(30:44):
exaggerating this guy's The police are there every day. I've
had money stolen out of my car. I've had all
sorts of things that it's not I don't think it's
just them. I think there's bad people in every culture.

Speaker 9 (30:56):
Obviously, sure, but it's.

Speaker 8 (30:58):
So out of control.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
There.

Speaker 8 (31:00):
One more thing. I have a really, really good job,
but I can't make it in this economy, being a
single father of three, so I do side gigs. I
do Amazon Flex every day. I do door dash every day.
I cannot get a door dash shift in South Jordan
a week in advance anymore. It's all illegals. Same with
Amazon Flex. You go out there, I'm the only guy

(31:22):
out there that speaks English. I don't understand it, but
I can't even they're not taking hard labor jobs. They're
taking our easy side gigs that I used to buy
groceries and try to pay medical bills with for my
special needs son, and it is it's ridiculous. I mean,
I go to their school and I don't know how
they're doing this. There's students in the school to speak

(31:42):
not a word of English, so we're having teachers just
teach these guys. And I love, honestly, I have. You know,
my cousins are mixed, and I get this. It's just
that they're the ones that aren't here legally are a
burden on us, and it has been the last four years. Guys.
I'm not just exaggerating this, and I'm nice to get
along with all of them great, but I down cry

(32:04):
on Saturday night.

Speaker 11 (32:05):
Man.

Speaker 8 (32:05):
I was like, I'm a veteran, I bust in my
butt for this country for six years and I can't
even afford groceries and I see people getting free groceries
delivered in my apartment. Complay.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Well, you know, well there's that call from dub and
I tell you what a story he had to share.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Well, the reaction to that call was that people have stories,
similar stories, similar stories. We'd love to hear from you.
If if you have an experience you'd like to share,
because I think that's an impactful call that we got,
and I think it's important for us to know that
we don't have to talk about Ohio. We've can talk
about South Salt Lake County here in Utah because that
story is the story that's being told all over the country.

(32:43):
Eight eight eight five seven zero eight zero one zero
is the number to call on this topic if you've
experienced something. I think it's it carries a lot more
weight for us when we hear from people of our
listening audience, our own community, who are struggling. This guy
is trying his hardest to make men's meet, three kids,
and he's looking at the grocery bill and he can't
afford it. Yeah, and he's getting edged out of these jobs,

(33:05):
these side jobs. He's ready to work more than one
job and he can't find it because of what's going on.
And here's the scary part, Rod, and I hope we
go the calls. But governments don't budget in real time.
They budget for the future year or fiscal year, which
could be even a year and a half from now.
These schools did not budget for what's happening in real time.

(33:25):
Right now. Their public safety enhairment did not budget for
calls every single night. If you know, to that complex,
there will be. They're going to have to pay for
these things. These things are on a curve, okay, and
it's going to hit the taxpayers even harder as time
goes on because they didn't nobody knew this was happening

(33:46):
to us.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Well, remember we've talked for quite some time, Greg about
the whole situation down on the border, and we referred
to them as border states. Well we're learning that every
state in the country now is a border state. Look
what's going on in Ohio. Look at the call that
Dub game us an how we go. It's going on
here in the state of Utah. So every state in
this country right now, because of Biden and Harris and

(34:07):
their illegal immigration and their border policies, has become a
border state. We heard from Dub but there are other
stories out there, as you alluded to, Greg, in this state.
So we want to hear from you tonight on this
eight eight eight five seven oh eight zero one zero
triple eight five seven o eight zero one zero. Are
on your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say hey, Rod,

(34:28):
let's find out what is really going on out there
so people can understand guess what. Utah is a border state.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
That's right. And I'm telling you if you're still in
this world of I think Trump is rude. Okay, we
better just get over this. Yes, he's rude because he's awful.
We've got we've got consequences from this administration that pale
in comparison to mean tweets.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, am I right? Yep, you're right, all right. Calls
are already coming in. Let's begin with Terry, who is
in Pleasant Grove tonight listening to Rod and Greg. Hi, Terry,
how are you? Thanks so much for.

Speaker 7 (34:59):
Joining Hi, thanks for taking my call. It's great to
be here. I love your show.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (35:05):
I just want to tell you I was talking to
my brother yesterday who's in the medical profession, and he says,
these immigrants, these illegal people, come into the hospital. They
have to be treated, they can't be turned away, and
it's free. They can't pay for it. And yet I
know from personal experience, my kids who have medical bills
can't afford to pay them. They just can't afford to
live right now. They can't pay these high costs, and

(35:28):
it's just it's getting out of control.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
And these people who about it.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, these people who your brother is taking care of
their bills are taken care of by the American tactic.

Speaker 12 (35:38):
Exactly.

Speaker 7 (35:39):
I'm paying for it, yet my kids can't afford to
pay their bills, their medical bills, which are crazy, outrageous.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
That's what's going on, Greg.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
The real Affordable Care Act is it didn't make any
healthcare delivery affordable. It didn't make it more accessible. I
have family members too that also are holding off medical
care because of the cost, the deductibles. The financial impact
of their household income is too great that where they
would otherwise go to the go to go to the doctor,
that they can't afford to do so. So let's keep

(36:09):
going to the call Scott into Willa. Thank you for
calling the program. Scott. What's your experience with this?

Speaker 13 (36:18):
Well, what I was listening to that guy earlier that
was spent six years in the airport and a single
dad trying to make ends meet. If he was migrated
to this country, he probably could have just taken his
kid in and got medical care without any cost to him,

(36:38):
instead of struggling to be able to try to pay
for it. That's that's crazy that that type of thing
happens where he's struggling and he couldn't get the care
that he needs because he can't afford it.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, you make a very good point, Scott, and I
go back to what I said before the news at
the top of the hour that line I heard on
the Reagan documentary last night. Reagan gave America back to Americans, right,
And Americans are being shoved aside in this country on
so many fronts because of illegal immigration.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
And let me just say this, when I was Speaker
of the House, one of the most emotional and one
of the most uplifting moments or events that we had
in that capital was the day that we swore in
as citizens of the United States of America. People from
all countries, from all over the world. It wasn't from
just certain places. And I would get to speak at
this ceremony and I'd say, this is the land of
the free, home of the brave. We have each other's back,

(37:31):
and everybody had an American flag. And the celebrations and the
weeping and the excitement that is so when we say Americans,
we're not there is no home. What do you call
homophobic sentiment or xenophobic. We are not talking about that.
We are talking about people that naturalized legally, people that
come into this country, people that follow the laws, and

(37:51):
then we are our melting pot and we are all
Americans and we all are here together. But that is
the way. And when you take this illegal immigration, you
bring people in through this, uh, the way that the
Biden administration has it is actually dismantling this country and
what's made it great.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Sure, heads, let's go to Marcus in southall Lake. He
wants to weigh in on this tonight as well. Marcus,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg show?

Speaker 6 (38:16):
Good?

Speaker 14 (38:16):
Hey, thanks for having me Ron, Greg love your guest show.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
Thanks.

Speaker 14 (38:20):
Hey, So, so I just wanted to talk about, you know,
like the prison population too. I mean we do. I mean,
we are paying substantial amounts of money for prison population,
and now that we're offering free you know, college to
a lot of these prison inmates and stuff.

Speaker 11 (38:37):
You know.

Speaker 14 (38:37):
I And that goes for the juvenile system as well.
I mean there are a substantial amount of illegal immigrants
in the juvenile system and and now with new legislation
that you know, just happened within the last couple of years,
we're on the hook for for for paying for college.
I know I've got I've got two kids in college
right now, and I bust my butt every day, you know,

(38:59):
paying I I don't qualify for any pelgrants. I don't
qualify for anything, and so we're on the hook for
you know, a lot of money came out every month
or or taking out student loans that we have to
pay back. I think that's a huge issue and that
impacts us all.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
You're right, Sarvent, It's impacting everything. And you know what,
there'll be some people who will get student loan forgiveness,
but people like Scott who just called and is he
going to get any Probably not? All right, mare coming up,
Rod and Greg with you right here on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine an RS.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
The numbers I've heard from elected officials representing that area
is that it's a Herman's population of about sixty thousand,
and it's at least six thousand of these refugees that
are centered in these these same apartments of these apartment
complexes where it's almost exclusively the refugee. So I don't
know if it's NGOs that bring them in. But let's
continue this conversation. Let's go to the callers. Let's go

(39:54):
to Ray in Lehigh. Ray, thank you for waiting and
thank you for joining us on the show. What's your
experience with this, Well, I have a.

Speaker 15 (40:03):
Little bit different of a take. My experience is that
in the first two years of Trump's presidency, we owned
the executive branch, we had both Houses of Congress, we
had the presidency. The job of senators and congressman is
to legislate law. That's their job. I guarantee that either you,

(40:26):
to me, or most of the callers can identify a
single piece of legislation that got passed by our federal
government those two years that are of any consequence, especially
to this immigration issue. And that's why we're having this discussion,
and more importantly, if we don't start taking account of

(40:47):
the fact that we, as conservative Republicans, are responsible for
the things that are either going to destroy this country
or make them better. It's not the Democrats. We already
know what they're about, but we will not do what
they do. We don't demonstrate, we don't go to CNN
and demonstrate as to why they cover stories up. We

(41:08):
don't take ten thousand people or twenty thousand people, put
them in buses and go to Washington, DC and petition
the rights of the unborn using science. We don't do
any of these things. And so then when the Democrats
finally get what they've been working so hard to do,
which is what get twenty fifteen, ten eight million people

(41:29):
into this country, give them free crap, and then they
understand human nature because those people are not going to
cut off the hand that feeds them. It's too late
now they're here. So again, I've called your show before.
I'm a visitor to your state. I'm here taking care
of my mom, and you had a beautiful state here,
and I'm watching it every single day become California, and

(41:54):
I don't see anybody standing up to fight for it.
And I don't mean killing and fighting and civil I
mean getting out, getting out and making this state government
protect this beautiful state because you will lose it. We
maybe we'll have this conversation in ten years and we
can talk about how Salt Lake City is LA. Anyway,

(42:17):
Thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Well I hope not, but you know, I mean, okay,
was he right?

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Well?

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Are we allowing it to go in the direction that
he described. Some people will say, yes.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you what I don't think. I
think salt Lake County. If you look at Slate County,
take Salt Lake City, and you take the almost population,
you take the crime, you take look at this county
of Salt Lake and then compared to the other twenty
eight counties, it is not the same. It is rougher,
it is harder, it is and it is a majority
of Democrats in the least Salt Lake City and you

(42:50):
have a Democrat county mayor and Jenny Wilson. And I'm
telling you some of these even statewide initiatives that fail
around the whole state that passed by massive numbers in
sal Late County drive us as the color pointed out
to the left, looking more like California.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Yeah, good point.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Let's go to Patrick Innsultake Ceddi Patrick, how are you
welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 16 (43:10):
Hey, thank you for having me. I'm basically just gonna
make this quick. But what I think is really going
on is very systemic as a result of the Biden
Harris administration, and all of these issues really come down
to the simple fact that they've given the control of
the border over to the drug cartels, and who comes
into this country is not could you know, it's not

(43:33):
us that's making that decision. It is the drug cartels
who pays them, who comes in. And the bottom line
to it is, until we get control of the border,
we're going to end up with all of these situations,
with all of these issues with immigration. And until we
get control of that, I don't understand how it is
that we're going to make life better for any of

(43:53):
us here in Salt Lake City or anyone in the country.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, you're right, Patrick, he makes a good point. People
don't get across the border now without the cartel saying
you can cross the border.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
This isn't the huddled masses you know in Ellis Island.
This is the drug cartels control the border. They it's
human trafficking, it's it's fentanyl, it's drug trafficking, and it
has it is. It is a criminal element and they
their supply chain while the rest of the world and
we've had a recession, we've been struggling with supply chain
for everything. They got the greatest supply chain on planet Earth.

(44:22):
They've been making money hand over fist at our expense.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
And they don't select the most upstanding people to send
across the border.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
They do not, or they or they charge them, tell them, oh,
you can go work in a farm, and then they
stick them in some human trafficking nightmare. So I mean,
it's just, it's just it's a disaster.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
All right.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
More of the Rod and Greig Show coming up right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k
n RS. We took a lot of calls before we
went to a news update talking about the impact that
either legal or illegal immigration is having on this state
of arts. We got a lot of people who called,
and we want to get to your calls, but before that,
we want to take them in and talk with a
guest we had lined up right now.

Speaker 11 (44:58):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Former President Donald Trump is in Uniondale, New York, giving
a speech to a big rally places packed. This comes
what three or four days after there was a second
attempt on his life. Talk about courage, Greg, This guy's
showing courage every day it is.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
And you know how courageous this is when you've got
a guy like Chris Cuomo that says, you know, who's
been one of his loudest critics says, I don't know
how he's doing it. You would not see me out
there if this had happened, and he's speaking like a
lot of us probably would.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Well, joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk about
this is Douglas McKennon. Douglas is a former White House
and Pentagon official, also an author. Doug, thanks for joining
us tonight here on the Rod and Greg Show. The
guy's showing a lot of courage, isn't he, Doug.

Speaker 11 (45:44):
It's really amazing. It's one of those things, as you
guys just talked about, and Chris Cuomo talked about, and
I wrote about it recently in a piece. If it
had happened to most of us, we'd be curled up
in the fetal position, hugging our teddy bear, right, And
it's one of these things where he just dis this
is this.

Speaker 9 (46:00):
It's remarkable.

Speaker 11 (46:01):
I talked about it before a couple of years ago, guys.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
I did.

Speaker 11 (46:03):
I'm not trying to promote the book, but I did
a book called The fifty six.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
And the reason I wrote that book was to.

Speaker 11 (46:08):
Try to protect our founding father some cancelation. But the
thing that I learned when I wrote that book was
how amazingly courageous those men were right because they knew
exactly what they were doing. They were signing their own
death war. And as you know, back then in seventeen
seventy six, the vast majority of the wealthy sided with
the British Crown because they didn't want to rock the boat.
And I've made the comparison time and again, and people

(46:29):
tend to you know, some people on the left scoff
at this, but I truly believe that President Trump is
very much like those founding fathers. Well, he doesn't need
any of this stuff, right, he's independently wealthy. He could
have wrote off into the sunset, had a great life,
but he asked himself the two most important questions that
our founding fathers did, If not me?

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Who?

Speaker 11 (46:47):
If not now? When in spite of all the threats,
all the law fare, all the smearing of his family,
all the assassination attempts piling up, now he gets out
there and fights for the country. It's one of the
most remarkable things that I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
You know, in the in the column that you wrote,
You've you've met you've met the president, former President Trump,
and you've had you've been able to draw your own
experiences just being around him. Maybe share with listeners the
guy that you got to know that you never see
the regime media talk about.

Speaker 11 (47:16):
Yeah, I've met him a few times, and the last
time I was with him was three days before the
first Now it's sad that we have to say this
before the first assassination attempt on July thirteenth. I was
with him on July tenth for a few hours at
his course in Jupiter. He invited me over to talk
and you know, hit some golf balls. And it's one
of the things again that I say in the piece

(47:37):
that I wish the American people could see because he
is one of the most kind, one of the most empathetic,
one of the most generous people I've ever been around.
He knew every staff member by name, he knew their
children's name. He went on to their way to help them,
he went on to the way to make people relax.
And I've been in situations with him before and again.
The liberal media will try to make you not see

(47:58):
any of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
But I think what's going on now.

Speaker 11 (48:01):
Too is more and more people, especially working class people
like my family, are realizing you know not only who
he is and what he is, but he doesn't have
to be doing this. And again, I think aside from
the toughness which he's proven time and again, I think
the American people also see him for what he is,
which is a kind, empathetic human being.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Doug, what I want to know, first of all, does
he hit a good golf ball? I mean, it looks
like he's a pretty good golfer.

Speaker 11 (48:24):
Guys, I'm telling you, I'm not spending one bit.

Speaker 16 (48:27):
I said.

Speaker 11 (48:27):
I was right next to him driving golf balls. He
was crushing these things anywhere from two hundred to two
fifty every single time. And he would say, Hey, Doug,
I'm going I'm going to fade this one for the right,
I'm going to draw this. I'm not making this up
that he never missed one. He worked through his entire
golf back next to me.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
And it was remarkable.

Speaker 11 (48:47):
If you haven't seen it, Brys and De Shamba had
the President out there and so you see some of that.

Speaker 7 (48:53):
And this is not this is fake.

Speaker 17 (48:54):
This is what's going on.

Speaker 11 (48:56):
This guy is a phenomenon in so many ways, and
he doesn't get credit for him.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Doug, I have a quick question Greg and I have
talked about this and him going out. I feel that
Donald Trump feels almost like an obligation to get out
and to attend these rallies because he has such a
connection with his supporters out there.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Would you agree there, he almost.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Feels like he's has an obligation to get out in
front of him and let them hear from him about
where he stands on the issues of the day.

Speaker 11 (49:23):
Well, that's true. What I think you know in conversations
with him, even more than that, he believes he has
an obligation to the United States of America. He believes
our country is falling apart from within, and he believes
that because of his gifts, because of his position, because
of his post presidency, that he has the ability to
change that for the better. And again, he is literally

(49:45):
putting his life at risk every single time he does
that because in his heart and soul, he believes if
he doesn't do it, who's going to do it? At
this exact moment, again, it's one of the most remarkable
things I've ever seen. I think more and more Americans
are coming to that conclusion. We'll see what happens in November.
I believe he's gonna comfortably win in November, but you
know it's important to get out there.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
And vote, so I can't. I couldn't agree with you
more on everything that you've shared, I experienced and I agree.
Here's my worry. Though I know he's courageous. I know
he's developed this relationship with American people that is unique.
The American people are not props for a political pageant
for him. This is all real and I understand that.

(50:26):
But at some point, once you're past two attempted assassinations,
when does how do we make sure this man stays safe?
Because he'll he'll continue to put himself in harm's way.
But I'm not all bullish about this secret service. I'm
not bullish about the security he has, and with the
country and world we live in, we need him to be,

(50:47):
you know, healthy and able to serve. Is there a
point in your opinion where this security has to be
He has to take control of this, He has to
do something to make sure that he's safer than what
I think he is right now, because I know he
wants to do it. But is anyone contemplating what could
happen here if we're wrong and he's out there vulnerable.

Speaker 11 (51:08):
No, you're correct that they have this discussion every single
day within his campaign. But I think what's important to
realize is we have to make a separation between the
rank and file Secret Service. Look, I worked in the
White House for two Republican presidents in the past. I
know the Secret Service very very well, and the rank
and file within the Secret Servers love this guy.

Speaker 8 (51:26):
They really do.

Speaker 11 (51:26):
Obviously, I think the leadership of the Secret Service has
gone more woke than not and has some serious issues.
But the rank and file, obviously they've proven it. You know,
they would step in front of a bullet for President
Trump because they believed in him. So President Trump believes.

Speaker 7 (51:40):
In those men and women and so.

Speaker 11 (51:42):
And the good news is now every single time, you know,
I think the leadership believes in opening the rank and
file is now filling that. You know, you saw the
advanced team two holes ahead of President Trump on that
golf course not only spot the rifle barrel through a bush,
but fire at the at the alleged to saying, I mean,
these guys are really looking out for him now. So

(52:03):
I think, you know, anything can happen. You want to
have him as protected as humanly possible. Up, of course,
but I think you know they they are really stepping up,
much more than people realize.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
So great to have you on the show. If you
will find yourself on a twusome with the President and
looking for a foursome, Greg and I would be certainly willing.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
To do Rod and Greg Show, would join you in that.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Come here anytime, Doug, Hey, Doug, Thanks, enjoying the rest evenings.
All right, all right, Doug McKinnon joining us on the
Rod and Greg Show, talking about the courage of one
Donald Trump. Riley's still going on in Uniondale, New York,
and he's talking to his peeps out there. All right, mare,
coming up here on the Rod and Greg Show and
Talk Radio one oh five nine k NRS. We've been

(52:44):
talking about this call we had earlier from a listener
named Dub and his experience dealing with illegal immigrants or
immigrants in his part of the area in Harriman, and
how hard it is for him to just to make
ends meet because of the economy and just get jobs
because many of those jobs are being taken by others.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
That's right, So we want to hear from you, folks.
I think this is this is that was an important,
unplanned moment. We want to hear more. Let's go to
the Let's go back to the to the phones and
go to Brent in Tuila. Thank you for holding, Thank
you for joining us on the program.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Oh thanks for having me. I really love the show.
I live out here in Tuila and I'm going to
I have a dual perspective on this. I DoorDash part
time to make extra money. In the last probably six
or eight months, we've got a major influx of people
from Venezuela. They are doing door dashing, and I'm bilingual,
so I speak to them, and most of them are

(53:40):
coming from Harriman. And not only are they taking the
door dash order the way, but they're also doing it incorrectly.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
They're using two.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Phones, three phones, so they're cheating doing it, which is
hurting the rest of us that they're trying to do
it the right way. On the other hand, I'll work
for a major employer out here in Tuila, and over
the last probably a year or so, we probably hired
probably sixty to seventy people from Venezuela. And once again,

(54:10):
since I speak Spanish, I do a lot of translating
for it because a lot of our HR department doesn't
speak Spanish. Ninety percent are coming from here them and
also Wow, and the difference is when they come out
here there require special teammate because they don't even try
to make an effort to learn the language to be
able to communicate. So it became a communication issue. The

(54:31):
managers can't communicate with them. And as long as they're
being's going, okay, they're fine. But the minute they get
in trouble for whatever reason, they're not performing, correct you whatever,
all of a sudden they play the race card or
the I don't understand, I don't speak English, and it's
really an inconvenience. And they can't communicate with fellow employees either.
And some of the employees also feel like it's not

(54:55):
just crimination as them, but they don't feel they feel
like they're being invaded.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Wow, and thank you for that. Real life. Is this
a border state?

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Isn't it unbelievable?

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:05):
And I refuse to believe. I mean, the Democrats a
leftists will tell you, well, these are jobs that Americans
won't do. That is that is wrong. We're hearing right
now that these are jobs that are being taken away
and in Americans. People are getting elbowed out of these jobs.
And look at the cost of living in Utah right now,
give me a break.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Giving America back to Americans. Jason is in Harriman tonight
here on the Roden Greg Joe, Hi, Jason, how are you.

Speaker 15 (55:29):
Good.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
How are you guys doing We're doing that well, thank you.

Speaker 17 (55:33):
Just wanted to kind of add on to what you
guys are talking about. So I living out in harrib
And there. I was buying a car one day and
I had to get an Uber out to Saratoga Springs,
and I was talking to Uber driver and she was
also an immigrant who came over here about fifteen twenty
years ago, and she was saying that she now she's
been able to make a living off for Uber for
the last you know, five ten years, just as her

(55:54):
only job. But now over the last years she's having
to find a second job to work because apparently what's
going on is with Uber and door Dash. People have
legitimate Uber and DoorDash accounts. However they rent out those
accounts to people who don't quite have Social Security numbers
here or can't aren't authorized the works here. I guess

(56:16):
what she was saying, so They have people rent out
their their door, Dash and Uber accounts to people who
can't have them quite yet, and they charge like a
weekly fee like one hundred bucks, one hundred and fifty
bucks for these people to use them. I thought that
was kind of crazy here in that where she's she's
kind of frustrated by that. It's taken taking a lot
of work from her, is what she was saying.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
So, oh boy, thank you for that. I mean, people
are I just don't get this.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Take inventory of what we've just heard. Two little details
that we've heard of from our callers. You have some
that are using two and three phones, which is two
or three accounts, okay, and that is that is uh,
that's not right away. And then you have people that
are they have an Uber account with a profile with
a rating, and they're renting they're letting people use it
for fee. Yeah, come on, I mean that, I mean

(57:02):
that's pretty rough. I mean, like I said, this is
where the Left can accused us of racism because you
can't get that specific two to three phones rending at
you know, letting people use your account, your profile, that's
those those are real life experiences.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
And I think I think Greg is safe to say,
and I'm speaking for you as well. We aren't saying
we hate immigrants into this country. That's a country of
immigrants right now. But there's got to be order, there's
got to be a set of rules, you know, let's
make it work for everybody instead of screwing the people
that are here now.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
And I'll go back to what the Attorney General in
Ohio said when this when the attention is on Springfield,
a small town, well about sixty thousand, about the same
size as Harriman. They were twenty thousand. This is about
six thousand, but still ten percent of a city's population
shows up that nobody knew was even coming. Because NGO's
and whatever Colorado, someone's setting them here. You're having. It's

(57:58):
the volume of people that or unplanned that are just
hitting this these communities. It's not a racism issue.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
There are more stories out there, and we'll get to
those stories. We've got to get a news update, but
we want to continue with some of these phone calls
and hear your stories. Eight eight eight five seven o
eight zero one zero triple eight five seven o eight
zero one zero. We want to hear what you're what
you're experiencing out there, because Greg, you were just saying,
I mean, we've had some very enlightening phone calls. Yes,
and how many people in this state really understand what's

(58:26):
going on? And you don't know unless you have the information.
That's what these calls are doing for us. Today, our
number three, the Rod and Greig Show, is on its
way after news update, stay with us. So we've opened
up the phones to you tonight. We normally don't do this,

(58:46):
but throughout the show, we've been hearing from you, and
you've been sharing with us some of your real life experiences.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
That's right, and it's and so we have the smartest
and best listening audience in all the lands. So we're
just going to go straight to the phones and delay.
Vern In Clinton, thank you for holding and thank you
for joining us on the Roden Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (59:10):
I want to put a little bit different spin on
you know, we keep hearing the Democrats preach racism, racism, racism.
I would like to spin that around. You know, the
definition of racism at any time somebody feel superior or
less superior. But the thing that bothers me is they're

(59:32):
being racist against me as an American citizen. Who's been here,
worked all my life, and yet I don't get anything
for free. When I tried to get into Demo School,
I was prevented from getting into Dalla School for four
years because affirmative Action come out at the exact time
I was applying for Dall School. And so I just

(59:53):
get frustrated here in racism so much, because it goes
both ways. And I think we're being just eminated against
American people being racist against us for giving everything free
to people that aren't even citizens of America. I witnessed
several times up in Park City, illegal immigrants being paid

(01:00:16):
cash under the table when there's people wanting that same job,
who are willing to work and pay taxes and pay
income tax on the money they earned. And I don't
think it's right. They're getting paid money under the table
of cash and the Americans siders denied.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
So I think they're being racist against us, well said,
Well said, Vern, thank you for your call, and I
and again, this is these experiences. If you meet anybody,
I don't care, a Republican Democrat and they want to
welcome migrants and they want to somehow twist this. As
Vern has pointed out, is that we are racist. That's
called a luxury issue for them. They have no touch

(01:00:54):
on it. It hasn't impacted their life in any way.
They are completely detached from what everyday American are going
through and what Vern has gone through and is going
through now, and our other colors that have called on
the program.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
You know what I would like to do sometimes, Greg
is collect all these people who have called with a
called to us today and others and march them in
front of some committee who says we need to be compassionate,
we need to help these people out. We are compassionate.
We do want to help them out, Greg, but we
want to help them out in the right way, not
to the detriment of people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
There's the right way to do and all we're in
the world of right now is the wrong way.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
To do it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Let's go to Candace, who's listening in from West Valley
tonight here on the Rod and Greg Show. Candace, how
are you thank you so much for joining us?

Speaker 18 (01:01:37):
I'm good, I'm good. Well, I'm calling because so I
work two jobs and I am a single mom, and
so I started a house cleaning business to kind of
help make up to pay for our groceries. Because it's
so high right now, and I'm finding it's very hard
to get clients. And when I do get clients, I'm

(01:01:58):
finding that previous uh TELL cleaning companies that have come in,
they haven't been able to communicate with the employees, uh
the the employees don't understand what the customers are asking
for and from me trying to be a business owner
and I want to grow my business, it makes it

(01:02:19):
very difficult to compete with these these other larger cleaning
companies where they're they're they have these employees, but yet
are they really hired as a W two employee? Are
are they paying the the uh the FICA taxes on them,
the unemployment taxes? Because if I get big enough to grow,
I'm going to struggle to be able to keep an

(01:02:41):
employee because I have to pay the work comp I
have to do all of these other things, and it
makes it hard to even start a business nowadays, to
even have the American dreams. So here I am struggling
with two kids, three jobs, and a house, just trying
to get by and I can't get food stamps, I
can't get with I can't get any sense that I
pay into because I make too much money.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Well, what a challenge. I mean, Candide, that's going to
be frustrating. I mean you you want to start your
own business right by the sounds of things, and you
just can't seem to get ahead of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
It's got to be frustrating. Gandas.

Speaker 11 (01:03:16):
Yes, it really is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
And it's not that that.

Speaker 18 (01:03:22):
I can't say they are here illegally or not. What
makes it frustrating is that if business owners are hiring
them but they're not actually hired hired, how is it
to make it do it legally and compete with them
to be competitive.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Yeah, you're right, you know there there there is an
element greg where business owners are gaming the system and
you know, you you let's get to face the reality
on this one. People are looking for workarounds and this
is what's going on in some cases.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah, there used to be a lie e verify where
we required employers to verify the players and they repealed
it after I left. You know, this is why they
can't have nice things. Okay, we had a great lot,
it was working, and they literally repealed it because they said,
we don't have any problems. Well you don't because you
do e verify. Okay, let's go to Jamison and South
Jordan Jamison, thank you for holding and thank you for

(01:04:16):
calling the show. What say you?

Speaker 19 (01:04:20):
Oh, I just wanted to start off by saying, it's
a real pleasure that you have me on again.

Speaker 7 (01:04:25):
I've called in.

Speaker 19 (01:04:27):
I've called in several times over the years, and I've
had probably three or four different lines of work, and
I was just going to comment on how I've actually
seen this firsthand in everything I've worked. I worked in healthcare,
I've been a plumber. I'm actually a welder and an
iron worker right now. And like, for instance, when I

(01:04:48):
was in healthcare, I remember I would watch the real
stress on people's faces when they would come to the
hospital through triage and they didn't have insurance, but they
were in a really hard way, and the hospital's like, well,
you know, you can always talk to our billing department,
and depending on how much you make, you can qualify
for some programs that will help you cover your bill.

(01:05:10):
But then I would I remember watching people who were
let's just say undocumented walk in. They never had a
worry in the world because they knew it was free.
I mean, and from people that I had known in
the hospital that worked in billing. It was a massive
cost to just take these people. And they say, oh, well,

(01:05:30):
you know, we'll get a tax break for it because
we're taking we're taking unfunded patients through and it's fine.
And I've just kind of reached a point over the
years where I've looked at it, you know, and just
like that gentleman was saying, you know when you hire
workers under the table, it happens all the time in

(01:05:51):
the trades. Yeah, all the time. And you sit there
as somebody who's new to it, and you look at
it and you go, these people are handed opportunity. I
was born here, I have worked my whole life. I
haven't gotten a single thing for free.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Nope.

Speaker 19 (01:06:09):
And I just want to survive getting and you give
these they're getting this for free and in most times
getting paid more. And I live here, I've got no
place to go. What happens if my America depletes?

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
What do you hear the frustration in his voice, Yeah,
the anger in his voice as well, what.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Do I do? Well?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
If you're paying Look, if you're paying someone under the
table and you're not taking out fighting, you're not taking
out the taxes you you were simply not making as
much as those that are doing this in a way
that doesn't follow the law. And so in Utah the
cost of living has gone up exponentially. I'm telling you,
the quality of life is deteriorating and the cost of

(01:06:56):
living is increasing in real time. And this exacerbates all
of those challenges that we're already here in present. With
the population growth a natural one, this makes it even harder.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Yeah, all right, let's get another call in left field
of Mike and Murray tonight here on the Rod and
Greg Show. Mike, how are you? Thanks for joining us tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Mike, Hey, doing pretty good.

Speaker 20 (01:07:15):
Thanks Rod for having me. I just wanted to make
a comment regarding driver's licenses. Yes, how come the the
you know, how come the immigrants arened, you know, required
to get one and they don't drive with insurance, so
they don't know When they run into me, my insurance
goes up and I have to cover it. That's the

(01:07:38):
one comment. And then the other comment is are we
still giving foreign aid to these countries that are sending
their immigrants to us?

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Sorry, coat you up, Mike. Yeah, we sure are, we.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Are, and we've had Look, we had a driver's privileged
card so that we at least have a way for
them for people that were undocumented to get insurance and
things like that. I don't know what the status of
driver privileged cards are now, but at one point I
remember the legislature was notified that actually we were told
about like banks and everyone and ts A, if you're
just going to give these out to people that you

(01:08:11):
don't know who they are, your driver's licenses won't be
recognized as valid ID. So there was a there was
They bifurcated it and driver's licenses will not be given
to undocumented people. But I'm unaware of whether the driver
Privileged card is still in effect or not.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
I am not a big fan of that. By the way,
I don't know what your role is or was. No,
I'm not a big fan of it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Yeah, well, and again it's it's it just rewards illegal
behavior and legitimize If it does anything, it legitimizes it
and makes it easier and more functional for people to
break the laws.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
And my fear is greg and I don't know what
the card looked like, but it could be used as
an ID EVE and people who don't examine and say sorry,
that's a dpl No, they'll use.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
It to say different, but it was. But to your point,
it could be paying attention to it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Yeah, all right, mare coming up here on the Rod
and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine knrs day, it's flown by fast. We've had an
interesting day, a lot of real life stories out there
about the struggles that people are facing, the fact that, yeah,
there are incidents and not all you know, not every incident,
but there are incidents where people are being taken advantage

(01:09:23):
of this country and it's just not right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
I've been taking notes. I mean, I've been writing these
down because they've been that they are real life examples.
I mean, it's one thing to talk about things that
are happening nationally and making national news. To have such
a close touch, sadly here in the state of Utah
to those very stories and have them identical. Yeah, it's
it's important that we take inventory right now. I'm telling
you these are the issues that need to be what

(01:09:48):
makes your decision at a coming election. I'm not a
negative guy, and I don't want anyone that any of
our listeners to hear today's show and think this is
a negative show. We're not This isn't doom and gloom.
There is a way to turn this around. We know
that that there's a way, and telling you it's the
elections coming up in November are going to decide really
the trajectory of this country. So we're just taking inventory here, folks,

(01:10:09):
with your help in terms of what we should be weighing.
If a mean tweet or if his President Trump's personality
has been off putting. Listen to the stories we're hearing today,
and tell me that that is acceptable. That more of
this because if you don't change it, you get more
of it. Tell me that you could actually stomach more
of what we've heard from these poor folks that are

(01:10:30):
telling us what they're going through right now. I mean, look,
and we have our own stories. My wife will tell
you what she's going through in the panic attacks at
the grocery store, with the prices going up all the time.
We're all feeling this and we have to be able
to really weigh and not normalize it. I got to
tell you, we can't normalize what they're doing to us.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
And you know what I think, Greg, a lot of this,
the stories that we've heard today, you aren't going to
read about those in a newspaper or on a news website.
You aren't going to see them on a television news story.
You aren't going to hear them. But you will hear
them here. And that's the beauty of what we do
each and every day. We want to hear those real
life stories and what people are going through because I

(01:11:08):
think a lot of people in this state they don't
think we're being impacted by illegal immigration. You know, if
their lives aren't being impacted, they don't even think about it.
But you list to those callers today, their lives are
being impacted. And folks, for those of you who do
not believe it is happening, you just heard a couple
hours of people calling in saying, oh, yeah, it's going on,
and here is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
My I'm going to tell you. If you haven't felt it,
if you haven't observed it, it's just a matter of
time because we're on a lag. Minimally, your taxes are
going to go through the roof to try and try
to accommodate what is happening to our education system, to
our public safety, to our jobs, you name it, we're
going to have because if you're paying under the table

(01:11:50):
you know what, you're not collecting taxes. You know what
pays for our cities and our counties and our state taxes.
So I'm just telling you that everybody, whether you even
know it or not, this is this is impacting all
of us, and it's gonna be and it's not gonna
it's gonna get worse for it. It's better. But we've
got an important election and we have to look at
these candidates, and particularly this presidential election. I'm telling you

(01:12:12):
right now, Uh, you couldn't have two greater examples of
two back to back administrations. And which one did you
live through that you think you'd like to repeat? And
certainly not to four years we've been in.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Right now, Well, just look at what we saw on
television for the past hour. Donald Trump, he looked really
good today.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
He did.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
He looked healthy, He seemed very positive. Showed up at
some place and wanted to buy somebody a Hamburger I know,
which I love. But did a rally he was going
Kamala Harris speaking to a group. Word sellid again, our
kids in the community, are our kids in the community? Yeah,
what can someone explain what that means?

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Did you know that an opportunity economy is just economic opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Would you say that again? I want to make sure
I understand she is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Very much for an opportunit unity economy, which is economic opportunity.
Thank you, okay, And I think we've talked about economic
opportunity many times without it being a grand plan.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
Get that one.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
By the way, the teams Dud's chickens apparently could not
make up their mind today and they did not endorse
either candidate. They have done this for quite a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
I think thirty six years. No, No, nineteen ninety six
was the last time they pulled out of Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
But there was a Teamsters union research phone poll that
the results have been released. Fifty eight percent of the
Teamsters endorse Donald Trump. What is it thirty one thirty
six percent, Yeah, endorse Kamala Hera Harris. But apparently union
leadership couldn't bring themselves to say we're going to endorse
Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Well, you know what, but you know what, I will
tell you this is a win and I'll tell you why,
because these Teamsters are you know, there's other unions that
have endorsed Donald Trump, and they used the infrastructure of
their organized labor to help get you know, Harri select
or would like to the absence of the teamsters in
a presidential election in Pennsylvania, in Michigan, in Wisconsin will

(01:14:08):
will benefit Donald Trump and those in those states.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Yeah, and this is this is what has gotten you
and I just we're pulling our hair out because Gallup
today did a new poll on favorability race. Yes, right,
we're to say, by the way, right, if you ask
people their their feelings toward Kamala Harris, sixty percent have
an unfavorable view of Kamala Harris. Thirty five percent have

(01:14:34):
a favorable view of Kamala Harris. Greg So, I ask,
why is this race even tight?

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
So's she's even despite the media's best effort in herculean
effort to try and make her something that she's never been.
The people aren't buying it. And this is what I've
been wondering, is there is there just a collective eye rolls?
Or is I mean, are people buying into the That
is just it feels so contrived what they've decided to

(01:15:05):
talk about here at Kamala Harris now versus what how
she was perceived as vice president and before she was
the nominee with out of a single vote. I just
don't know. I don't think that people are going to
buy it, especially because she does not represent any change.
She does not as much as she'd said, we don't
want to go backwards, how about we don't want to
stay where we are, forget backwards. Trump Trump really is

(01:15:26):
seen as the change agent in terms of we don't
want this heavy handed federal government weighing us down, and
with inflation and with all the immigration issues that are
impacting every other aspect of our life.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
You know, because I'm I grew up in middle America
and I grew up in a community where the lawns
really look nice.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
I'm going to bring down prices.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
That's the basis for my leaning towards how I'm going
to bring down prices because I grew up in a
middle class America with nice laws.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Both her parents were professors, and she's said she's middle class,
and I just, I mean, I don't even know that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
I don't know what that meant.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
First of all, yeah, we don't even know what that means.
But for her to say, I have to explain to pece,
she said this way, I have to explain to people.
There are people that care about their lawns. Yeah, but
I don't understand what the how that translates into an
economic plan other than maybe landscaping, yeah, the other do I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
All right, we've got a lot more to get to
here on the route in Greg show on this Wednesday afternoon.
If you can believe that already, if you want to
be a part of the program eight eight eight five
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You know you used to one day a week. I

(01:16:42):
love it, five days a week. I told hanging in there,
it's not wearing you out too much.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Oh how about you?

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
I'm fine, but I've done this for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Yeah, but now you got a wing man every every weekdays.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
Every weekday. Yeah, kind of fun.

Speaker 11 (01:16:54):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Republicans are fighting for a citizenship bill that would reshape
the elections. This to continuing the Resolation Bill. They're trying
to put the Save Act and attachment to that bill,
and that would basically say what Greg that if you
want to vote in a federal election.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
You have to show your citizenship. Yeah, he can send
to me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Yeah, whether you're legal or illegal an immigrant. If you're not,
says the country, you're not allowed to vote in elections.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
That's amazing. Well, Ashley Oliver is following the story. She
works that the Washington Examiner. Actually thanks for joining us
this evening. Give us an update Ashley as to what
exactly is going on with the cr AH.

Speaker 12 (01:17:31):
Yes, absolutely so. This bill status is really fluid as
things are in the House. Essentially, it is a bill
that is heavily backed by Republicans. Trump backfit and he
aggressively is pushing for it, saying the government should shut
down if the House and Senate do not pass a

(01:17:53):
Save Act, which would essentially require people who register to
vote to provide I had a document of proof of citizenship.
It's pretty straightforward. They want to attack the Republicans want
to attach that Save Act to a temporary spending bill,
basically saying we know that we're going to have to

(01:18:14):
pass the temporary spending bill. We want a concession for it,
and this is their priority is getting this Stave Acts passed.
So that is the concession that they are looking for
before they pass a clean temporary spending bill to keep
the government open as it's due to shut down in
less than two weeks now. Republicans on the whole the

(01:18:34):
bill is destined to fail because in the Democrat controlled Senate,
the Stave Act is dead on arrival. The Biden administration
doesn't support it. It looks like it's going to fail
at some point along the way leading up to the
end of the month. I don't know if it's going
to be revived again, but again, most Democrats are against it.

(01:18:57):
The reason Republicans want this bill, it's for reassurance about
non citizens voting. Non citizens voting is an extraordinarily rare
sting in terms of it actually happening, but Secretaries of
State are finding non citizens on their voter roles. So
this is enough for Republicans to say, we are worried.

(01:19:19):
We want to address our constituents concerns because they are
worried about these non citizens on voter roles actually casting
votes and therefore disenfranchising US citizens.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
You know, I've seen the reports, and I've seen that
I've read that this is so anecdotal that the non
citizens would vote, that it's not going to out impact
the outcome of an election. Here's my tell that it
might be bigger than that. Why if it didn't matter
one way or the other, would the Democrats even spend
an ounce of political capital to oppose something as intuitive

(01:19:55):
and already law as non citizens illegal, legal or illegal
cannot vote in American elections? Why would they draw that
line in the sand if it really was it made
no difference whatsoever, What would be what would be the
reason that Democrats would oppose it? Because I'm going to
tell I think it makes them look terrible that they won't,

(01:20:15):
especially if the story is it doesn't ever happen.

Speaker 14 (01:20:19):
Yeah, that's a great point.

Speaker 12 (01:20:20):
Democrats. Essentially their number one argument is why fix something
that's not broken? And that's not that strong of an argument,
as you point out. Now, some Democrats will say that
this could disenfranchise people, because if you're aggressively purging your
voter registration lists, or or you're requiring people to present

(01:20:41):
a documentation that they're a citizen at the front end
of their voter registration process, they say this disenfranchises people,
it causes voter suppression. They've pointed to transient individuals that
would be eligible to vote, like a college student or
a homeless person who don't have readily available documentation to

(01:21:01):
show that they're a citizen, saying this is going to
prevent them from being able to practice their right to vote. Now,
election experts that I talked to have said, this is inexcusable.
You should be focusing on helping these people get the
documentation that they need to prove that they're citizens, and
not saying, oh, well, let's just cancel out the requirements

(01:21:23):
that they need to provide this documentation. The Democrats argument
is that this disenfranchisement is worth fighting this bill that
Republicans want. They also accuse Republicans of saying trying to
invent an issue that's not there for the purpose of
later going back and saying, well, we don't trust the

(01:21:45):
election process if Republicans lose in the election, and so
they basically are accusing Republicans of wanting an excuse. So
there's a number of reasons that Democrats are throwing out there,
But the main fight I've heard from Republicans and Democrats.
Between Republicans and Democrats is Democrats say why do this,

(01:22:06):
and Republicans say, well, why not. Why can't we just
enforce this law. So that's the crux of the site
right there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Ashley, you mentioned Arizona. There is a story out today
that is Arizona has admitted nearly one hundred thousand non
citizen voters wrongly listed on voter rolls, a big amid
a lawsuit in that state. You're right about, is the
Safe Act? Has that some form of that, has it
been used in Arizona? And if so, what impact has

(01:22:34):
it had if any?

Speaker 12 (01:22:36):
Yeah, that's a great question. So Arizona is unique. It
is the only state that has this two tiered process
where it offers a state form for people to register
to vote, and Arizona requires a documentation that someone is
a citizen to submit that state form and register to vote.
There is the federal form that they also are required
by law to offer. This is the common form that's

(01:22:58):
offered across the country in office the states, and you
can register to vote in Arizona using the federal form,
and on that form it only asks you with a
checkbox if you are US citizen, and you sign under
penalties of perjury whether or not you are or are not,
and you submit the form that way. So it is
a crime if you submit false information but people do

(01:23:19):
that either nefariously or accidentally. There's a number of ways
that someone could just misread the box and check the
wrong box. So there are plenty of there's plenty of
room for this federal form to, you know, a mistake
to occur on it. So in Arizona, back to your question,
they have the federal form where you can participate in

(01:23:42):
federal elections, but if you submit and register to vote
that way, you cannot participate in the state and local elections.
So you wouldn't need to go through the state form
avenue to do that. Now, the interesting thing with Arizona
is it is a case study because they found the
short Besides the news today, there were already what they

(01:24:02):
said about forty two thousand people that were registered to
vote using the federal form without having provided a documentation
that they are a citizen. So that doesn't mean they're
not a citizen, but it also means that Arizonas are
trusting that they are citizens and have just checked the
box properly. Now, there were a high concentration of those

(01:24:26):
coming from college campus location based on a study that
I saw, so it could be that a lot of
college students registered that way. But it could also include
people that are non citizens in Arizona, and there's really
no way to know, and they would be able to
vote in a federal election, just not state or local elections.
The Arizona Secretary of State is responsible for screening for that,

(01:24:48):
you know, practicing audits, cleaning voter roles. This is required
by law for secretaries of states to do. Residents of
that state just have to trust that their secretary of state.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Was doing that. So let's go about to the House.
This is another reason why I think this might be
a bigger problem, and I think the Democrats and their
opposition to this is what is why I think this
might be a bigger problem, and that is it isn't
really a slam dunk that you can get a spending
bill passed with all the Republicans if they include the
Save Act, because I've heard from you know, you hear
from members of Congress like Congressman Massey who says, I

(01:25:20):
don't care who what you put, how you flower this up,
I don't want to spend anymore. And so wouldn't it
be the easiest way for Democrats to get a spending
bill approved to include the Save Act, which may draw
a more Republican support certainly out of the House than
it would otherwise, and especially if it's over an issue
that is inconsequential. So I guess my question is does

(01:25:41):
it have a chance with the Save Act to actually
pass out of the House, given that some Republicans with
a thin majority still don't like the spending bill with
or without it, I.

Speaker 12 (01:25:52):
Don't see it even passing out of the House. Stranger
things have happened, of course, but first of all, the House,
the Republicans can afford to lose. I believe it's two
votes right now. It's changed a bit throughout the year.
It's an incredibly narrow margin with absences. I know that
today two New Yorkers were up in New York campaigning

(01:26:12):
with Trump, so they were going to be absent already
if enough. I know that when the Stave Acts passed
the House and a symbolic measure in July, five Democrats
supported the Stave Act at that time. The problem is,
like you said, there are a number of Republicans that
are never going to vote to spend more government money
with a clean cr passing, so that that they automatically

(01:26:37):
are going to oppose any spending just on principle whether
the Stave Act is attached to it or not. So
there is I don't really see a path for the
Stave Act to even make it out of the House
with when it's attached to the spending bill. That's that
it did make it out of the House in the
summer when it was a standalone.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Bell on our news, Miriker Line that is talking about
Ashley Oliver talking about what's going on with the cr
in the Save Actamore coming up on the Rod our
Cat Show and along with Greg Hughes here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine. You are going to
be heading down to Saint George tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Little experiments going to happen here tomorrow. You'll be down
there with the Utah Sheriff's Association. Yes, I work with them.
I love the sheriffs and duly elected county sheriffs. So
we're gonna do the show. I am taking technology with me,
which is really fright. Join the program remotely, really kind
of where we're not seeing each other like we do that.

(01:27:36):
You know, we can do the you know high sign
like you can tell me.

Speaker 4 (01:27:39):
I can tell you wrap up or cut it or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
That's I'm just gonna I'm think it's a podcast. I'm
gonna talk for three hours.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
You don't know within the equipment we're setting, we're sending
you right, there's a little cattle prod.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
You think I'm not a husband a guy. You cannot
put something in here to explodes if I if I
keep talking, if you go too long, I can hit
a button in dead now see it to see that. Yeah,
you're you're not sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:28:03):
I'm going to zap you if you don't. If you
don't keep it, I'd be interested.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
I'm really excited to see this technology work because i
don't want to miss the program. And uh, we're going
to try it out.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
But tell the sheriff's side, they're they're really good people.
You were the keynote speaker last year, Beck was this year?
They Yeah, they sunk a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
They slummed it out, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
That does good for us tonight, As we say each
and every night, head up, shoulders back, May God bless
you and your family in this great country of ours.

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
Thank you for joining us. We're back tomorrow at for
Have a good night,

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