July 29, 2026 • 14 mins
Jennifer Galardi, Senior Policy Analyst at the Heritage Foundation, joins Rod and Greg to discuss the release of Dr. Anthony Fauci’s diaries and his decision to invoke the Fifth Amendment to every question from a Senate panel today, and what it means going forward. Plus, Curtis Houck, Managing Editor at Newsbusters at the Media Research Center, joins the program for a conversation about how television networks managed their coverage of Dr. Anthony Fauci’s contentious Senate hearing today.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's a Ron and Greg show on the Wingman Wednesday
edition on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine canter
s everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. I'm Citizen Hughes.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And I'm rod ur Kent. Great to be with you
on this Wednesday. Let's continue now with our coverage of
the hearing before the Senate Committee today, shared by Kentucky Center.
Ran Paul. Doctor Anthony Fauci was there, and well, he
didn't say a whole lot. Well he did in many ways.
You know, one hundred and eleven times he took the
fifth say something.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I think it does. I think I guess that pardon
doesn't feel so good. You've got a pardon, you got it.
It's an autopen pardon, but you know it seems to
be redeemable.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
So yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Let's get more of this right now. Joining us on
our Newsmaker line is Jennifer Galardi, senior policy analyst at
the Heritage Foundation. Jennifer, thanks for joining us. What'd you
make of today's hearing?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Oh gosh, what a mess.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
You know, it wasn't surprised. It wasn't really surprising given
who Fauci is, and as Rand Paul mentioned, before.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
This, he said, I expect him to lie.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I don't know that he expected him to plead the
fifth one hundred and eleven times, but we expected some
kind of bob and weave or dodge, and that's exactly
what he did.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
He refuses to take accountability.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
He even refuses just to acknowledge that, you know, there
was some devastation that happened, to acknowledge the people that
were hurt. I think Senator Moreno really shined in this hearing,
even though it was a little bit theatrical, right they
all are these days, But you know, having people stand
and asking him to turn around and look at the
(01:33):
people whose lives he damaged, he wouldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
He's a snake in the grass, you know. I was.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I was surprised that he that he pled the fifth,
you know, exercising his right not to incriminate himself, and
that he had a half dozen attorneys, you know, flanking
him or at his side and behind him.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Does that?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Does that is that a tell that maybe Anthony Fauci
does not think his pardon from President Biden will hold.
I mean, wouldn't a guy that's got a pardon be
willing to least try to talk his way out of
something like this.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Well, I mean, if they can prove that the auto
pen signed those partners, that was to Biden. I mean
they've been trying to do that, so you know, that
doesn't seem to be the thing that's.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Going to hold but.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
The Senator.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
They're going to hold him in contempt. They are trying.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I think they are trying their best to hold him
to some sort of account.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Now will he see jail time? That's unlikely.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I think this whole idea of draining the swamp might
be a mirage. I don't know if we ever can
do that, but I do think. You know, he mentioned
it in his opening soliloquy, Fauci did. He's like he
served through you know, Ram Paul just wants to embarrass me,
and I was like, you deserve to be embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
You you are. He is the epitome of failing upward.
I mean, he is.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
He has not really been successful in this position since
the eighties. He failed in the AIDS crisis. He failed millions,
well not millions, maybe thatands of people in the gay
community who could have received medication and did him because
of him.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
He made you know, showmanship of Ebola. I don't know
if you've seen that video.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Uh, Doctor Martin McCarey was recalling when he took he
took a nurse number one, who was a full of
patient from a Texas hospital where she was doing fine
and following all the protocol, and you know, on the
taxpayer dime, moved her to the NIH her photo op,
you know, so he could put on his spacesuit and say, oh,
(03:32):
we are science and we're doing good. I mean, he's
always been in it to enrich himself. I think he's
got a Napoleon complex. I think he is extremely insecure
and needs all of these things, and thought, you know what,
gain a function is my ticket that's going to make
me famous. I'm going to be known for curing viruses.
(03:54):
And it just didn't work out the way he thought it.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Was going to.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Jennifer, let me ask you this question. I thought at
the end, R and Paul used an interesting phrase when
he talked about immunity. He said he was granted immunity
for a certain period of time, and after that time
he could be held in contempt. I mean, I see
a legal battle headed this way, do you, Jennifer.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
That's that's what they're setting up. I'm not a legal scholar.
I was just trying to listen to a guy on
Megan Kelly show because she always does have that very
legal perspective that.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I wanted to hear. I do think that's what it
sounds like they're going to pursue.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
You know, I'm not sure what other avenues they could do.
You know, they can hold him in contempt for this,
they said.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
They let me say I was trying to think.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I mean, I think they are going to pursue every
avenue that they can to try at least to bring
some semblance of accountability. But we've seen this over and
over again. I mean, governmental officials and the bureaucratic state
rarely are they held accountable.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
And what I keep telling people.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Throughout this is you can forgive and not forget. Right,
don't let this happen again, don't comply, don't be complicit
in these so called mandates.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
All the things people complied.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
That was the thing with this, None of it was
legal back in twenty twenty, none of it was legally.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Enforceable. Rite a mask mandate and all this. I got
fired from my job for not wearing a mask.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Properly, And you know they truck that. People don't want
to go through all the legal hoops. I didn't, I
sure didn't, But you have to. You have to kind
of stand up in the moment and not comply.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And let's hope.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
You know, they tried to scare what a year ago
with monkey pops or every the haunts, but they're going
to keep trying. And I think the important lesson is
whatever happens tough Out she's moving forward, is don't let
it happen again.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, let me ask you, so, Anthony Fout. She pleads
the fifth over one hundred times. But here we have
on a government server, unguarded, his unguarded accounting of the circumstances,
his conclusions, the priorities that he was placing, and his
absolute fascination with being popular with famous people. Didn't he
(06:18):
doesn't that just answer all the questions. He can keep
pleading the fifth, but didn't we Is it possible that
he lied to himself in his unguarded you know, account
on a government server, and then told the complete truth
to Congress, or is it the case that his unguarded
account is really the truth and what he told Congress
was the lie, of course.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's it's the latter. You know, you don't. I guess
you could lie to your diary. I don't know why
you would do that.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
But he's so he's so enamored with his own self
that he doesn't see these things as lies.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Right, He's so enamored.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
With gaining favor with politicians and celebrities.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
It's really strange.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I keep telling, like a lot of people I'm talking
to in the media, So if I go home, like
right in my diary or me hang up and like, hey,
a friendship is fourthing, maybe they'll have me out to
Salt Lake City and like we can go to dinner together.
It's this was just my job, right, communication was part
of his job. He didn't do his job, and that's
why I keep saying he failed. Upward, he kept being
(07:22):
kind of promoted. He was the highest paid official at
the end age he got.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Paid more than the president did.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I mean, so, there were some interesting things that came
to light today that I didn't know about personally, you know, that.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Being one of them. That his salary and some of
the other.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Things about him gaining money from award prizes that he
had his staffers filed for I mean, it was just
damning quite frankly.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Unfortunately, you know, my Facebook page.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Is still littered with a lot of liberals because I
lived in California for twenty years and they just have
so much TDS.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
They're not even willing.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
To look at these fats about Fauci. It always comes
back to Trump for them, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
It's bizarre. You're right, Jennifer. All right, Jennifer Glardi from
the Heritage Foundation, joining us here on the Rod and
Greg Show. Rod and Greg with you here on Wingman
Wednesday in Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine. Kenns
The Rod and Gregg Show.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I'm Rod Arquette, citizen Greg Hughes.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
All right, we're both big supporters of Donald Trump. Correct, Correct,
But if I hear him say one more time, we're
gonna hit him now, We're gonna hit him hard tonight.
I don't know what I'm going to do, Greg. I mean,
this is a daily comment that he has when he
comes to the war with Iran.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
This is the one one time when I think this president.
I'd love the presidency. I love the second term, but
this is groundhog Day. I am living through the same
news cycle. I keep thinking that that's an old story.
We just we're just regenerating him. No, we're hitting you know,
we're hitting. I ran hard. Hey, I that's not breaking
news anymore. We've been hearing that for a long time.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Too long and too long, too long. All right, let's
continue our coverage of the Fauci hearings today. We know
what Fox News did today coverage, But how about the
other legacy media out there? How are they treating this story? Well,
let's check in with Curtis how. Curtis is, managing editor
of NewsBusters at the Media Research Center. Curtis, how are
you welcome back to the rodden Greg show?
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Hey, always a pleasure to be with you, guys. And
hashtag finished the job.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yes, here we go.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Thank you, Curtis. I love that I'm writing that one down.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
All right, Curtis. I watched the coverage today, but it
was on Fox News. Did the legacy media or any
of the cable news channel give this hearing any bit
of coverage today?
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
They did.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Surprisingly they covered it. But here's the thing, guys, that
was really interesting with ABC, CBS and NBC. CBS had
twenty four seconds on Monday saying, oh the diaries came out,
but they didn't do anything until Wednesday morning, you know,
and the hearing started it eight thirty Eastern times, so
a real early one. Actually, they don't usually start fill
(10:04):
ten eastern and I was like, oh my gosh, Ram Paul,
let's go should be a break. But the thing was,
you know, it was one hundred and eleven times I
think by Tom Elliott at Gravy and his count Fox,
he's a few others at times that he invoked the
Fifth Amendment. The coverage was really deceiving, guys, because what
they did was they read the journal entry of Fauci
(10:29):
talking about the lab leak, which I would hope they
would do, so that's step one. But then they kind
of tried to have it both ways. They did a
bait and switch with you by saying, well, no, no, no, no. Actually,
Fauci has been in favor of the lab leak the
whole time. He's never had an issue with it.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Here's a clip of him talking about it, and it
was funny on the Today Show. Their clip was from
late twenty twenty two, right before he retired from the government,
on Meet the Press. So the pandemic was by all
intensive purposes unless your name is Taylor little Lorenz over
and you know, of course he can say it then.
(11:06):
But as we know, according to the diaries and well
anybody who's lived through it, he was very skeptical of
this and tried to tamp down on it. In fact,
the diary show his role in this proximal proximal origins.
There was some paper in the journal Nature that was
put together by supposedly looting infectious disease experts that said, no, no,
(11:28):
it was from a wet market, and Fauci claims he
didn't have anything to do with it. Well, he was
definitely playing a part in it. So he was saying
one thing and doing another thing. Surrise, surprise.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
So uh, Curtis. Could it be the case that the
media is not excited to cover this as an objective
journalist would because they're part of the story. Because you
got Jake Tapper having dinner with him, when at the
same time Fauci's telling America you can't have dinner with
your family. You got Dana Bash sending him little, you know,
cute little text telling how how great he did and
(11:58):
how good he is. Are they part of the story.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Jim Jordan.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, exactly, can they not report the story because they
are the story?
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Well, yeah, I mean I think that is part of it.
CBS is John Lapouch I guess asked them for advice
to like what do we want to say? Like you,
what should I ask you like ahead of our interview? Embarrassing,
you know. And I think this story is so great, guys,
because it represents a confluence of two issues that people
have with the elite media and the deep state in Washington.
(12:30):
Number One, they're fin skinned nature their refusal to take
outside criticism. You saw that on CBS. They had this
long segment with a medical contributor who was part of
the Biden Harris transitions. He said, oh, we do need
gain to function research And no, no, Fauci's talk about
celebrity status was just him vexing about how much pressure
it's put upon him. And no, no, he didn't actually
(12:53):
have the authority to close down the schools. You know,
the governors and the school boards and the teachers unions,
they were the one who actually decided. It's how she
was just giving them advice along the way. So it's
an inability to say criticism. These people just losing their minds,
shake Tapper crawling in your DMS to be angry at
you for saying mean things about them. And then the
other thing is simply not being able to say I
(13:14):
got something wrong, I didn't always get it right, or
even guys, wait for it, say I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh well, that would be a feat for him. Curtis
is always great to have you on the show. Thanks
Fortory of the Day.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yeah, thanks, guys, Take care all right.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Curtis Helk, he's with Media Research Center and NewsBusters to
the media. Until today, I didn't look on the other
channels today to see how they were covering this. But
over the weekend they said basically nothing about the diaries. Nothing, No,
they didn't cover it at all.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, I'm telling you they are party, they are incriminated
in these story. It's very hard for them to cover
it without covering their role in it. And they have
a direct role. As you read Vauci's reflections and his experiences,
they are helping him. They are literally helping him with questions,
they're talking. It is not objective journalism in any way
shape of this.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
For it is all right Moore coming up rodding Greg
with you right here on this wingman Wednesday in Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine knrs
It's a Ron and Greg show on the Wingman Wednesday
edition on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine canter
s everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. I'm Citizen Hughes.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And I'm rod ur Kent. Great to be with you
on this Wednesday. Let's continue now with our coverage of
the hearing before the Senate Committee today, shared by Kentucky Center.
Ran Paul. Doctor Anthony Fauci was there, and well, he
didn't say a whole lot. Well he did in many ways.
You know, one hundred and eleven times he took the
fifth say something.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I think it does. I think I guess that pardon
doesn't feel so good. You've got a pardon, you got it.
It's an autopen pardon, but you know it seems to
be redeemable.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
So yeah, well.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Let's get more of this right now. Joining us on
our Newsmaker line is Jennifer Galardi, senior policy analyst at
the Heritage Foundation. Jennifer, thanks for joining us. What'd you
make of today's hearing?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Oh gosh, what a mess.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
You know, it wasn't surprised. It wasn't really surprising given
who Fauci is, and as Rand Paul mentioned, before.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
This, he said, I expect him to lie.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I don't know that he expected him to plead the
fifth one hundred and eleven times, but we expected some
kind of bob and weave or dodge, and that's exactly
what he did.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
He refuses to take accountability.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
He even refuses just to acknowledge that, you know, there
was some devastation that happened, to acknowledge the people that
were hurt. I think Senator Moreno really shined in this hearing,
even though it was a little bit theatrical, right they
all are these days, But you know, having people stand
and asking him to turn around and look at the
(01:33):
people whose lives he damaged, he wouldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
He's a snake in the grass, you know. I was.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I was surprised that he that he pled the fifth,
you know, exercising his right not to incriminate himself, and
that he had a half dozen attorneys, you know, flanking
him or at his side and behind him.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Does that?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Does that is that a tell that maybe Anthony Fauci
does not think his pardon from President Biden will hold.
I mean, wouldn't a guy that's got a pardon be
willing to least try to talk his way out of
something like this.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Well, I mean, if they can prove that the auto
pen signed those partners, that was to Biden. I mean
they've been trying to do that, so you know, that
doesn't seem to be the thing that's.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Going to hold but.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
The Senator.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
They're going to hold him in contempt. They are trying.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I think they are trying their best to hold him
to some sort of account.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Now will he see jail time? That's unlikely.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I think this whole idea of draining the swamp might
be a mirage. I don't know if we ever can
do that, but I do think. You know, he mentioned
it in his opening soliloquy, Fauci did. He's like he
served through you know, Ram Paul just wants to embarrass me,
and I was like, you deserve to be embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
You you are. He is the epitome of failing upward.
I mean, he is.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
He has not really been successful in this position since
the eighties. He failed in the AIDS crisis. He failed millions,
well not millions, maybe thatands of people in the gay
community who could have received medication and did him because
of him.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
He made you know, showmanship of Ebola. I don't know
if you've seen that video.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Uh, Doctor Martin McCarey was recalling when he took he
took a nurse number one, who was a full of
patient from a Texas hospital where she was doing fine
and following all the protocol, and you know, on the
taxpayer dime, moved her to the NIH her photo op,
you know, so he could put on his spacesuit and say, oh,
(03:32):
we are science and we're doing good. I mean, he's
always been in it to enrich himself. I think he's
got a Napoleon complex. I think he is extremely insecure
and needs all of these things, and thought, you know what,
gain a function is my ticket that's going to make
me famous. I'm going to be known for curing viruses.
(03:54):
And it just didn't work out the way he thought it.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Was going to.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Jennifer, let me ask you this question. I thought at
the end, R and Paul used an interesting phrase when
he talked about immunity. He said he was granted immunity
for a certain period of time, and after that time
he could be held in contempt. I mean, I see
a legal battle headed this way, do you, Jennifer.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
That's that's what they're setting up. I'm not a legal scholar.
I was just trying to listen to a guy on
Megan Kelly show because she always does have that very
legal perspective that.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I wanted to hear. I do think that's what it
sounds like they're going to pursue.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
You know, I'm not sure what other avenues they could do.
You know, they can hold him in contempt for this,
they said.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
They let me say I was trying to think.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I mean, I think they are going to pursue every
avenue that they can to try at least to bring
some semblance of accountability. But we've seen this over and
over again. I mean, governmental officials and the bureaucratic state
rarely are they held accountable.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
And what I keep telling people.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Throughout this is you can forgive and not forget. Right,
don't let this happen again, don't comply, don't be complicit
in these so called mandates.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
All the things people complied.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
That was the thing with this, None of it was
legal back in twenty twenty, none of it was legally.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Enforceable. Rite a mask mandate and all this. I got
fired from my job for not wearing a mask.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Properly, And you know they truck that. People don't want
to go through all the legal hoops. I didn't, I
sure didn't, But you have to. You have to kind
of stand up in the moment and not comply.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And let's hope.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
You know, they tried to scare what a year ago
with monkey pops or every the haunts, but they're going
to keep trying. And I think the important lesson is
whatever happens tough Out she's moving forward, is don't let
it happen again.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, let me ask you, so, Anthony Fout. She pleads
the fifth over one hundred times. But here we have
on a government server, unguarded, his unguarded accounting of the circumstances,
his conclusions, the priorities that he was placing, and his
absolute fascination with being popular with famous people. Didn't he
(06:18):
doesn't that just answer all the questions. He can keep
pleading the fifth, but didn't we Is it possible that
he lied to himself in his unguarded you know, account
on a government server, and then told the complete truth
to Congress, or is it the case that his unguarded
account is really the truth and what he told Congress
was the lie, of course.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
It's it's the latter. You know, you don't. I guess
you could lie to your diary. I don't know why
you would do that.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
But he's so he's so enamored with his own self
that he doesn't see these things as lies.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Right, He's so enamored.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
With gaining favor with politicians and celebrities.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
It's really strange.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I keep telling, like a lot of people I'm talking
to in the media, So if I go home, like
right in my diary or me hang up and like, hey,
a friendship is fourthing, maybe they'll have me out to
Salt Lake City and like we can go to dinner together.
It's this was just my job, right, communication was part
of his job. He didn't do his job, and that's
why I keep saying he failed. Upward, he kept being
(07:22):
kind of promoted. He was the highest paid official at
the end age he got.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Paid more than the president did.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I mean, so, there were some interesting things that came
to light today that I didn't know about personally, you know, that.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Being one of them. That his salary and some of
the other.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Things about him gaining money from award prizes that he
had his staffers filed for I mean, it was just
damning quite frankly.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Unfortunately, you know, my Facebook page.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Is still littered with a lot of liberals because I
lived in California for twenty years and they just have
so much TDS.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
They're not even willing.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
To look at these fats about Fauci. It always comes
back to Trump for them, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
It's bizarre. You're right, Jennifer. All right, Jennifer Glardi from
the Heritage Foundation, joining us here on the Rod and
Greg Show. Rod and Greg with you here on Wingman
Wednesday in Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine. Kenns
The Rod and Gregg Show.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I'm Rod Arquette, citizen Greg Hughes.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
All right, we're both big supporters of Donald Trump. Correct, Correct,
But if I hear him say one more time, we're
gonna hit him now, We're gonna hit him hard tonight.
I don't know what I'm going to do, Greg. I mean,
this is a daily comment that he has when he
comes to the war with Iran.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
This is the one one time when I think this president.
I'd love the presidency. I love the second term, but
this is groundhog Day. I am living through the same
news cycle. I keep thinking that that's an old story.
We just we're just regenerating him. No, we're hitting you know,
we're hitting. I ran hard. Hey, I that's not breaking
news anymore. We've been hearing that for a long time.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Too long and too long, too long. All right, let's
continue our coverage of the Fauci hearings today. We know
what Fox News did today coverage, But how about the
other legacy media out there? How are they treating this story? Well,
let's check in with Curtis how. Curtis is, managing editor
of NewsBusters at the Media Research Center. Curtis, how are
you welcome back to the rodden Greg show?
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Hey, always a pleasure to be with you, guys. And
hashtag finished the job.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yes, here we go.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Thank you, Curtis. I love that I'm writing that one down.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
All right, Curtis. I watched the coverage today, but it
was on Fox News. Did the legacy media or any
of the cable news channel give this hearing any bit
of coverage today?
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
They did.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Surprisingly they covered it. But here's the thing, guys, that
was really interesting with ABC, CBS and NBC. CBS had
twenty four seconds on Monday saying, oh the diaries came out,
but they didn't do anything until Wednesday morning, you know,
and the hearing started it eight thirty Eastern times, so
a real early one. Actually, they don't usually start fill
(10:04):
ten eastern and I was like, oh my gosh, Ram Paul,
let's go should be a break. But the thing was,
you know, it was one hundred and eleven times I
think by Tom Elliott at Gravy and his count Fox,
he's a few others at times that he invoked the
Fifth Amendment. The coverage was really deceiving, guys, because what
they did was they read the journal entry of Fauci
(10:29):
talking about the lab leak, which I would hope they
would do, so that's step one. But then they kind
of tried to have it both ways. They did a
bait and switch with you by saying, well, no, no, no, no. Actually,
Fauci has been in favor of the lab leak the
whole time. He's never had an issue with it.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
You know.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Here's a clip of him talking about it, and it
was funny on the Today Show. Their clip was from
late twenty twenty two, right before he retired from the government,
on Meet the Press. So the pandemic was by all
intensive purposes unless your name is Taylor little Lorenz over
and you know, of course he can say it then.
(11:06):
But as we know, according to the diaries and well
anybody who's lived through it, he was very skeptical of
this and tried to tamp down on it. In fact,
the diary show his role in this proximal proximal origins.
There was some paper in the journal Nature that was
put together by supposedly looting infectious disease experts that said, no, no,
(11:28):
it was from a wet market, and Fauci claims he
didn't have anything to do with it. Well, he was
definitely playing a part in it. So he was saying
one thing and doing another thing. Surrise, surprise.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
So uh, Curtis. Could it be the case that the
media is not excited to cover this as an objective
journalist would because they're part of the story. Because you
got Jake Tapper having dinner with him, when at the
same time Fauci's telling America you can't have dinner with
your family. You got Dana Bash sending him little, you know,
cute little text telling how how great he did and
(11:58):
how good he is. Are they part of the story.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Jim Jordan.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, exactly, can they not report the story because they
are the story?
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Well, yeah, I mean I think that is part of it.
CBS is John Lapouch I guess asked them for advice
to like what do we want to say? Like you,
what should I ask you like ahead of our interview? Embarrassing,
you know. And I think this story is so great, guys,
because it represents a confluence of two issues that people
have with the elite media and the deep state in Washington.
(12:30):
Number One, they're fin skinned nature their refusal to take
outside criticism. You saw that on CBS. They had this
long segment with a medical contributor who was part of
the Biden Harris transitions. He said, oh, we do need
gain to function research And no, no, Fauci's talk about
celebrity status was just him vexing about how much pressure
it's put upon him. And no, no, he didn't actually
(12:53):
have the authority to close down the schools. You know,
the governors and the school boards and the teachers unions,
they were the one who actually decided. It's how she
was just giving them advice along the way. So it's
an inability to say criticism. These people just losing their minds,
shake Tapper crawling in your DMS to be angry at
you for saying mean things about them. And then the
other thing is simply not being able to say I
(13:14):
got something wrong, I didn't always get it right, or
even guys, wait for it, say I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh well, that would be a feat for him. Curtis
is always great to have you on the show. Thanks
Fortory of the Day.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yeah, thanks, guys, Take care all right.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Curtis Helk, he's with Media Research Center and NewsBusters to
the media. Until today, I didn't look on the other
channels today to see how they were covering this. But
over the weekend they said basically nothing about the diaries. Nothing, No,
they didn't cover it at all.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well, I'm telling you they are party, they are incriminated
in these story. It's very hard for them to cover
it without covering their role in it. And they have
a direct role. As you read Vauci's reflections and his experiences,
they are helping him. They are literally helping him with questions,
they're talking. It is not objective journalism in any way
shape of this.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
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