The Rod and Greg Show: First Amendment; Climate Crowd is Full of Bull; Politics Have Been Worse Than Today

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Monday and another week of the Rotten Gregg
Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine k and rs live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
Make sure you downloaded today. How are you everybody?

Speaker 2 (00:13):
I'm Rod Arquet, Citizen Greg Hughes.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hot outside.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yes, it is cooler than yesterday though, really, yep, yesterday
was a scorcher.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
I woke up this morning about six go play pickup.
It was like eighty five, you know, it's six o'clock
in the morning.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
It was the record. I I heard that this this
was the hot warmest morning. Yeah, so that was breaking
kind of crazy. Yesterday is a high. Yeah, yeah, it
was very warm, kind of.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Warm out there. I am the most famous and talked
about person in the country and one of the most
recognizable persons in the world. That is not you saying.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
That, which it could have been, but this time it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
It wasn't me, No, this was doctor Anthony Fauci. I mean,
the these diaries that have been revealed over doing which
by the way, none of the major networks paid any
attention to them.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's shocking because well maybe because they're involved in so
much of it. You know, I don't know if you
knew that Jake Tapper was had while we while Fauchi
was telling us all that we can't get together for
Thanksgiving dinner, everywhere else you know, he was, he was,
he was dining with the important people, He and Jake
Tapper having dinner. He was coaching him on how to
answer the media's questions, and Fauci was giving him good
questions to ask people that were skeptical of all the

(01:25):
eatings he was handing down. So these guys were buds,
this Fauci Jake Tapper, you know dinner circuit that they
created at the time where we were told, as family
members we couldn't eat with each other. It's as bad
as it's I think it's worse than when Gavin Newsom,
Governor Newsom was going to that French ronder you frend
table and the restaurant, yeah, you know, and going there

(01:46):
with all the you know, law healthcare lobbyists and everyone else.
I think this is even worse.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, well, we're we're going to get into that here
in just a few minutes. Dive into what Fauci is saying,
what he wrote about himself and his experiences at being
a celebrity. Apparently he really he was drunk on his
own celebrity status, and boy did he eat it up.
And he's got to appear before a Senate committee on Wednesday.
Wait till Rand Paul gets a hold of this guy.

(02:11):
That could be kind of fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
He's the fairest of them all. I think that that
that was she the Witch or whatever? And was that
in Cinderella? Yeah, yeah, she looks humble compared to Fauci.
I think that that mirror and I think that she was,
you know, salt of the earth compared to Fauci on this. Yeah,
it's a very embarrassing disclosure of diary entries.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, that's that's one of the stories that we're going
to dive into with you today. Also coming up, how
many of you heard the name of Shiloh Hendrix. I
bet not many of you have, But she has a
whale of a story to tell. It deals with free
speech in America and how it's under attack. We'll talk
about that, we'll talk about the climate. Crowd is full
of bs, so to speak. We'll find out why. And

(02:56):
both you and I have now seen the Odyssey, Yes right,
you saw it over the weekend see it.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I've been reading the stories. It sounded like a bunch
of woke stuff and politically correct, and so I didn't
really I wasn't really excited to see it, but my
son wanted to see it, so well saw it.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
So we'll get into that, maybe probably in the five
o'clock hour, and get your thoughts on this, because a
lot of people conservative pundits were fretting about this, saying
this politically correct and on and on, and we'll get
into that and get your reaction to it, because I
know you saw it. I've seen it, will weigh in.
I think you know that I liked it. We'll hold
off on your reaction to it until we get into

(03:32):
that in the five o'clock hour. We'll see how it goes.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, let's see. I think it's a good discussion. And
I've got to believe that members of our our listening
audience saw the movie as well, and I'd like to
hear some of those takes because I certainly came away
with some strong opinions. Yeah, and we'll talk about it five.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
We'll get into that as well. So a lot to
get to today. Hope you have a night's weekend. As
you're ready for the week. If you want to be
a part of the program today, we invite you to
do so eight eight eight five seven eight zero one
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The vanity of Anthony Fauci could be his undoing. I think, Greg,

(04:12):
I mean this guy, I mean, the more celebrity status
he gained, the bigger he became a legend in his
own mind.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Well you know what, And folks, it goes back as
far as January of twenty thirteen when he was blocked
from being infer He was in he'd been interviewed by
Wolf Blitzer. He'd been some kind of epidemics. Something was
going on. Maybe is the bird flew back then. I
don't know what yeah could have been, but he was
he was stopped from being able to go on any

(04:41):
more television interviews, and he was furious and he wrote
that there it's nothing. The CDC has nothing but pure
jealousy for him because he's quote because pure jealousy that
I'm a rock star stealing their thunder. That he wrote
that about himself, that he's the rock star stealing their
thunder and the CDC the one that undermined him and

(05:01):
was and convinced the administration at that time to not
allow him to go on CNN and other shows. So
this isn't just like a new vanity and in COVID
that you know, gave him a taste of popularity. This
guy's been a it looks like an egomaniac from the
Legalomaniac I think twenty thirteen he can He called himself
a rock star. I'm a rock star. They're just jealous

(05:23):
of me.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Well, if you're just joining us. Over the weekend, Ran Paul,
you know, released a series of entries in Fauci's diary,
and boy do they tell us a lot about Anthony
Fauci and the fame he thought that he was gaining
because he had people like Barbara streisand calling him Greg.
He got a call from Babs and she wanted to
know what medicine she could take, and then he said

(05:45):
to her, you know, Babs, I'm listening to you on
Alexa right now. She goes, Alexa, what is that? So
we walked her through as to how to download Alexa
so they could both share her music together. Lappened it up.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
He called who's the guy?

Speaker 3 (05:59):
That?

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Who's Chris Cuomo? Who was who with the time was
on CNN. He called him every day that he had
COVID to check in on him every real They had
a daily conversation while he had COVID. Wow, this guy
is he is And he talks about how much he
loves his security detail now because he can be whisked
away when needed and so he doesn't have to stay
around and make smalls like this guy. When you real

(06:21):
I don't even know why he released this, you'd rather well,
even if you're a subpoenat, I'd say I forgot because
I think that this I hate to think what he omitted,
given what he's submitted, because it is so bad this
guy and what he put this country through and put
people through that people were harmed by the by the
advice that by the mandates that he pushed. He rips

(06:43):
on Trump. There's an exchange where Trump's like, you cannot
close Easter. This is the first major holiday coming up
after things have gotten right, Yes, And He's saying, you
can't do this to the country. We have got to
find a way, and he present just doesn't understand. He
doesn't get it. You know, I've I've called Lindsay gre
to try and convince them otherwise. This guy, he has

(07:03):
no second thought of just taking families holidays, destroying them
all on data and information he's providing that isn't even
consistent with his personal writings and his diary about origin
and saying this wasn't this come from a lab, This
came from a wet market. He says in his own
diaries in January of twenty that that wasn't true. It
did not come from that wet market. It didn't come

(07:25):
from there. He contry. Oh, it's he had a percentage
in his personal diaries it was less fatal than the
flu he took out on TV said it was ten
times more fatal than the flu. I'll tell you. I
know he got pardoned by Biden, and we all wonder
whether the autopen pardoned him or if it was legit
pardon for crimes yet to be determined. So it's just
get out of jail free forever. Card I guess, but

(07:47):
you think lying to Congress verifiably lying to Congress using
his own words to indict him would be a criminal offense,
something that you could try. But how does that how
do you do that with a with a a pardon,
a blanket pardon by Biden or his auto pen on
the way out. I don't know, And I don't know
how you hold this guy accountable. But I'll tell you what.

(08:09):
He never thought these writings would ever be public. They
never thought. He never thought we'd be talking about it.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah. Well, and and he's reaching out. Like you said
to Jake Tapper, every celebrity in the world is either
reaching out to him or asking him for his opinions.
And he's just take man, I'm a big deal. I
talked to Barbara streisand me and Jake Tapper had dinner together.
And the list goes on and on and on.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Ari Emmanuel is a Hollywood agent. They did a they
did a spoof on him Ari on the on the
HBO show Entourage. But he is he is a man.
He's got wrom Ram Emmanuel. So Ari Emmanuel is a
big time Hollywood agent. And he writes in his journal,
in his diary, rob Ari Emmanuel keeps calling me. He

(08:54):
wants He says that I don't even understand how much
money I could make on book rights and all the
things I'm doing. He really wants to me, he really
wants to be my agent. And you can just hear
how giddy he is is he's writing all this down.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Well, here's some of the people he talked to. Julia Roberts,
well known actress. Right, let's see also the Vogue editor
and a witten Hour. Okay, doctor Trevor Noen, comedian NBA
star Steph Curry, and actors Sean Penn and Matt Damon. Yeah,
and they reached out to him, and he felt, man,
I must be big.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Was it Winston Churchill that said you can tell the
measure a man by the animosities he excites in his opponents. Well,
let me tell you two of his opponents, which speaks well.
Of those opponents are two frequent guests of this program.
Scott Atlas, ye, who he just had on. I thinks
rail Scott Outliss. He complains about Scott Outlas. He's so
mad at Scott Atlas. Another one, a very frequent contributor,

(09:50):
is our own Steven Moore.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Steve Moore, who does not venture into politics very much.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
He is an economist. He stays in that lane. We
have great discussions with him almost weekly, but he writes,
Fauci writes, someone's got to shut Stephen Moore up. He
is just going crazy. And I'm sure that Stephen Moore's
arguments were about the disintegrating of a United States economy.
I'm sure it was an economic case being made that

(10:15):
he didn't like. But he goes crazy. I actually am
jealous of Stephen more when we would interview him. Hopefully
this week, I'm going to tell we're going to I'm
going to share this moment with him, and I'm going
to say, I would love to have Anthony Fauci as
mad at me as he was mad at you. That
would just speak volumes of me in a good way.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
It would make your day.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Well, he shows up Wednesday before Senday committee and Ran
Paul I believe as chairman of that committee. Gotta be
real interesting to see what comes out of it. And
we'll have the latest for you, of course on Wednesday.
All right, when we come back. How many of you
heard heard the story about Shiloh Hendras. It's quite a
story about free speech, and we'll get into it with
you on the Rotten Greg Show on this Monday afternoon.

(10:54):
Right here, on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five Die
can us.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Welcome back to the Rotten Greg Show, starting off your
week right on this Monday on Utah's Talk Radio one
O five nine can arrests everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.
I'm citizen Greg Hughes.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
And I'm Rod our Kit. Great to be with you, Greg.
There is a real battle going on, not only in
this country but around the world over two issues. I
think we both agree on freedom of religion yep. And
freedom of speech yes, right man, And it's going on
every day. There's a story out of Minnesota that really
highlights the battle over free speech and what you can
and cannot say. It involves a mom, a woman by

(11:32):
the name of Shiloh Hendrix. Now many of you may
not have heard this story. That's why we want to
bring it to you today. And joining us on our
any hour newsmaker line to talk about it is our guest.
Aaron Turry is director of public Advocacy with the Fire Organization. Aaron,
how are you Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.
Thanks for joining us. I'm doing well. Thanks for having

(11:52):
me on. Aaron tell for people who are not aware
of this story, summarize the story and what has happened
to this woman whose name is Shiloh Hendrix.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Yeah, so this happened last year. There was a woman
who was in a public park in Minnesota and there
was a black child in the park who allegedly stole
a apple sauce pouch from her diaper bag, and the
woman allegedly then chased the child around the park while

(12:25):
calling him the N word. I'm actually not sure if
I don't know if I'm allowed to say this word
on the radio or not if I'm going to get
you guys in trouble. But she chased around the park
and then there was a man in the park, a bystander,
who then started filming Shiloh this woman and and that's

(12:47):
what you know what you see in the video that
that later went viral. And he calls her out for
the language that she was using, and then he challenges
her to say the word again to him. And so
she's walking away with her baby. She turns her child
while carrying her own child.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
She turns around.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
And she she says f you N word, and then
repeats the word to him and then continues walking away.
They continue arguing a little bit and then he tells her, Okay,
you know, we'll see what the internet thinks about this.
He did post the video online. The video went viral,
it became a big story, and then ultimately the prosecutor

(13:31):
in the city Rochester, Minnesota, decided to bring disorderly conduct
charges against Shiloh Hendrix based on this incident. And just
recently there was a trial and she was acquitted of
the disorderly conduct charge as to the child, but convicted
of disorderly conduct based on her interaction with the man
who filmed her.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Now you point out, and this is the part that
I'm so surprised any charges were found because you point
to a Supreme Court ruling recently about freedom of speech,
and you share the quote from the from the Supreme Court.
The First Amendment protects in individual's right to speak his mind,
regardless of whether the government considers the speech sensible and

(14:11):
well intentioned or deeply misguided and likely to cause anguish
or incalculable grief. I would think that this moment would
fit that description. Well, I don't think anyone's going to
defend the use of that language, but we're there's a
lot of language that a lot of US are very
uncomfortable with that. We we're exposed to how do how
does how does Minnesota or its law enforcement or how

(14:33):
does it's how do they even get around what the
Supreme Court has said and how they have framed the
freedom of speech in the First Amendment?

Speaker 5 (14:41):
Right?

Speaker 4 (14:41):
Yeah, I think that quote and you can find other
Supreme Court quotes that similarly express the idea that there
are no ideas or viewpoints or words under the First
Amendment that are forbidden under the First Amendment. You know,
some words are taboo, some are considered deeply offensive by
most of society, but that doesn't make saying them a crime.

(15:03):
And the way that the the government tried to get
around that here is that it did invoke one what
I call a quaint exception to the First Amendment, known
as fighting words. And this was a a a category
of speech recognized as outside the First Amendment's protection by

(15:25):
the Supreme Court way back in nineteen forty two. Actually
involved that case involved a man who called a police
officer a damn fascist, a damn fascist, and a damn racketeer,
and the Supreme Court actually upheld that conviction.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, I should like someone to revisit that one right now,
I think I should be going, hey, wait, man, that
was a crime. What a look at what they're saying
to us. Didn't mean to interrupt you. But how times
have changed?

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Oh yeah, no, no, right exactly, And that just goes
to show you, right, how times change and what people
consider offensive changes. There's no question that that same speech
would be considered protected on the First Mement by the
Supreme Court today. So there is, though this exception that's
technically still on the books called fighting words, and fighting
words are you know. I think that there's a decent

(16:08):
chance that if Supreme Court revisited the doctrine today, it
would say, no, this cannot stand under the First Amendment.
It's actually just incompatible with basic First Amendent principles because
what it says is that certain words in face to
face interactions, if they are inherently likely to provoke an
immediate violent response, then they're not protected by the First Amendment.

(16:30):
But that's basically saying that if someone's likely to punch
you in response to you merely saying something right, just
just the words to say that, they might not be protected. Like, so,
I think it's it's kind of a ridiculous exception to
begin with, But I also think it doesn't even apply
here because you really have to look at all the
circumstances involved, not just the words that were used. And

(16:51):
when you look at the interaction between the two, she
again was walking away caring for her child, and the
man filming her was was going her to say the
word clearly just so he could capture it on video
and then try to shame her, which is ultimately what happened.
So I don't think there was anything about the situation
that suggested that they were a going to get in
a physical fight.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, she could face jail time for this? Could she
not eron? Is that what I understand?

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Well, she's already been sentenced. She was immediately sentenced by
the judge after the jury returned its verdict, and she
didn't get a jail sentence. She got one thousand dollars fine,
community service and probation. I think she conceivably could have,
but that wasn't part of the sentence she actually received.
But she did, you know, she was She did receive

(17:40):
a sentence, a criminal sentence and conviction, and her lawyer,
I believe, indicated that they're going to appeal.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, so this is our Utah radio station. There is
a very popular Broadway show called The Book of Mormon,
and it just rips and makes sat tire of and
spoofs the Church of jis Christ, the Laarday Saying, and
it's scripture, the Book of Mormon. I don't see its equivalent.
I don't see the Koran. I don't see Islam being
mocked spoofed. I don't see musicals about it. And in fact,

(18:10):
you'd find a public that's probably a little less comfortable
with that, maybe recoil. I think that if you look
at where there has been an attempt at that mocking
or making fun of, you've seen violence in return. How
is it that we live in a country where I'd
say freedom of speech first Amendment means the Book of
Mormon as a musical can be made, but it doesn't

(18:30):
seem to apply to everyone. Just like this situation you're
talking about right now, that person has been arrested for
freedom of speech. I don't see the same rules being
applied even in entertainment and regarding faith and making a
I haven't seen the Qoran as a Broadway hit yet.
So why the double standard and why do we allow
for it.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, well, there's two questions there. I think part of
it is part of what you're talking about, I think
is the social environment and the entertainment industry and what
might be considered acceptable or not in that situation. But
I will say, I mean, if anyone was arrested or
prosecuted for something, you know, speaking out against Islam or

(19:13):
burning a kran or anything like that, I can say
that fire would be the first to defend their right
to do that. And the First Amendment absolutely does protect
that type of speech from government punishment, the same way
that it protects the right to, you know, criticize Christianity
or make a play like the Book of Mormon. Now
it is true, right, I mean, it doesn't mean. The
Schyloh Hendricks case shows that sometimes the government doesn't adhere

(19:36):
to its obligations under the First Amendment, and unfortunately, I
think that happens on the left end the right. I mean,
we also had recently a case involving a man in
Tennessee who was arrested for posting a political meme after
Charlie Kirk's assassination that was quoting President Trump saying we
have to get over it in reference to a school
shooting and you know, whatever you think. You know, you

(19:57):
could say it was distasteful and it was offensive, but
it was clearly protected political commentary. I mean he was
he was basically saying we you know, he was criticizing
the that he believed that the kirk assasination was getting
more attention than school shootings do. But the local sheriff
tried to act like he was making a threat of
violence because of the school shooting reference and actually arrested him.

(20:20):
He spent thirty seven days in jail. Now we he sued,
We represented him and recently got an eight hundred thousand
dollars settlement. So you know, we do have the First Amendment.
It does fortunately provide very strong protections in this country.
But there there's always gonna be times when officials overstep
their authority. And that's why, you know, and that that's
why organization we have organizations like mine that are vigilant

(20:42):
against these violations and you know, try to try to
prevent them to the extent that we can.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Aaron, We're glad you're around doing this kind of work.
Thank you for joining us, Thank you, thank you so much.
All Right, more coming up on the Roden Gregg Show
and Talk Radio one oh five nine k n r S.
Welcome to the Rowden Gregg Show with you on this
Monday afternoon as we begin another week of excellence in broadcasting.
Like we say, right, you're listening to Talk Radio one

(21:09):
oh five nine k in Terrest live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. I'm Rod Arquette, Citizen Hughes. All right, why
did cows get such a bad rap when it comes
to climate change?

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Cows as big as this planet is. I was shocked
to find that the cow flatulation was the was the
end of the world.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Apparently that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
He got all these fire Everyone has to stop farming.
I guess we're gonna have to have you know, frankin
food because you know, we're gonna save the environment. Yeah,
it makes all the sense in the world.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
And that smoke from all these fires wouldn't happen if
cows would just stop. Yeah, congratulating.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I don't know if you know, but the federal government
they managed, they're they're great stewards of the land. Oh,
you live in a tinder box because of what the
federal land looks like in our state.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Well, let's talk more about this with our next guy,
Peter Rosenberger. He is a caregiver, author, national radio host
as well. He's talking about cows and climate change. Peter,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 6 (22:03):
It's great to be back with you guys again. It
By the way, I heard that excellency broadcasting nod. That
was great, That was beautiful. That took me back to Rush.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Well, we're trying to get into that academy. We haven't
achieved that much success. Yeah, but we're trying, Peter, so
we've got you got to give his credit for trying.

Speaker 6 (22:21):
I give you all the credits. By the way, I
hear it's hot where you guys are.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yes, it is. Matter of fact, you dropped a great
line on our producer. What was that line you dropped
on him?

Speaker 6 (22:29):
Oh, it's it's it's so hot that the chickens are
laying hard boiled eggs. Well, my brother lives out here.
He set a picture of a thermometer and uh, we
live up Montana. We're a little bit north of you,
but he he showed me the thermometer is pretty rough.
He listens to you guys every day. It's his birthday
and I'm going to tell him happy birthday of that's
okay with.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
You, that's just fine. Birthday. Happy birthday, brother.

Speaker 6 (22:52):
Johnny, Johnny, happy birthday. You're so old. When you were born,
the rainbow was still.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
In black and white. All right, Peter, we saw this
article that you wrote in the Blades about Holy Cow.
The climate crowd is full of bs, so to speak.
Why do cows get such a bad rap when it
comes to climate change.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
I think they're an easy target because ranchers are so
busy ranching they don't have time to defend themselves against
people who are tweeting about their business in a Starbuck somewhere.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah. Yeah, Honestly, here's if you live in Montana and
you have a brother who lives here in Utah, then
you know that for the longest time, our ranchers are
the people that the rural Utah that make a living
off of the land. They've had land use permits, and
it was the case that even pulling out the dead
wood and taking care of the federal blm land, there

(23:44):
was an industry around that. There was lumber yards, multi
generational lumber yards, and in the nineties, under the banner
of and liberal banner of good stewardship to the land
that was prohibited. Those land used permits were gone, and
now you have nothing but dead forest. You have these
trees that have such a big canopy, nothing on the
ground grows. And you find that if a fire does

(24:05):
happen like happened this year, record millions of acres will burn.
How can anyone actually argue that the Starbucks person with
the paper straw cares a whit about this about our environment,
like our ranchers and like the rural community who've lived
off that land and then been stewards of that land
for generations.

Speaker 6 (24:23):
Well, that's why I wrote the article. I mean, I
know a lot of ranchers out here. We've been ranching
here on our property, managing it, hauling logs off of it,
grazing it properly, just at our little stretch here. And
my brother does farming down there in Utah. And I
love hearing how Bernie and AOC and Mundomini and all
these other people talk about working people. You spent some

(24:45):
time around farmers and ranchers, that you're going to understand
working people in a way you ain't never understood before.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
And that's why I.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
Felt like, and I read this article by a multi
generational rancher friend of ours out here, and she said, look,
we don't have have time to stop ranching to go
out there and fight with these people, so thank you
for doing it for us.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
That's great, that's great. You know, I heard a line
one time, Peter, and I think I wish the environmentalists
and the climate change nuts would hear it. Basically said
a farmer said to somebody said, we don't live on
the land. We live with the land. The land is
what sustainably, so why would we go out there and
try and destroy it? And they don't understand that, do they?

Speaker 6 (25:26):
They really don't. And the issue is whether we care
about the environment. The issue is whether we're blaming the
right people and solving the right problems. And that's why
I felt like this needed to be said. And as
I watched the smoke, because we got a lot of
it here in Montana right now, and you know, we're
always going to have lightning strikes where we have fires,
but we're trying to be good stewards. That started back

(25:48):
at the Garden of Eden. The first job that Adam
had was to tend the garden. Yeah, not to leave
it untouched, but to take care of it. And I
think that we've confused untouched with stewardship. And so that's
that's one of the things. And uh, and I put it.
But I wrote this. I knew that if I put
that last line in there, you guys might specifically both

(26:10):
of you, because I've kind of gotten to know a
little bit of your twisted sense of humor, that you
would get that last line that I had in there
about the.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
About the cows.

Speaker 6 (26:18):
Yeah, and did you did you get it when I
said let the cows part in their general direction?

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Ah, there's that. That is a bony python. Thank you
very much, Thank you. I did that, Jeff here boy,
that's a vulcan mind meld you did, because yeah, that's
a money put.

Speaker 6 (26:42):
All I wanted to do is be a blessing to
you all. I did it for you and and so
but I I these people are I don't think they're
going to be happy until we're all even souliet green.
And if we outsourced all of our food to places
that don't have the same type of concern that we
want to have here and then the ship it all
back to us. Well, what have we actually accomplished here.

(27:03):
That's that's outsourcing with a halo. And we're not we're
not we're not thinking this through. We the best thing
we can do is get behind and stand shoulder to
shoulder with our farmers and ranchers and and people that
produce our food so that we're not having to bring
it in from all other places and then we don't
get all kinds of problems like we've been through with
Taco Bill here an explosive diarrhea. See I've moving in

(27:26):
barging Monny Python an explosive diarrhea, and the same.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
You know you are, you're reading our mind. This is
this is our pro this is our model. So to
that point, okay, you've got some countries that have attempted
to ban farming in their countries and and and you've
seen the farm agricultural communities rise up. I think Sri
Lanka tried to one day just announce we're not gonna
have any more farming. But what what is what is
really at play? You know, there's good reasons and real reasons.

(27:52):
And they can say all day that we just think,
you know, flatulating Coyle's are going to end the earth,
but it's not a serious answer. It's not a serious
case be made. What are they really trying? What is
the agenda behind trying to get the farming and and
real meat our out of our food supply chain? What
are they after?

Speaker 6 (28:12):
Controlled that is sought after among these people that you
could see it on everything, whether it's getting meat down
because they don't. They don't like the meat, so therefore
we shouldn't eat the meat. They don't like this, so
therefore no they should. And when you have all this
stuff being discussed in the faculty lounge, it doesn't apply
to real world stuff. But the people that are doing
real world stuff have to stand up and say no.

(28:36):
And we're seeing what's going. I mean, for example, look
at mom Donald tell everybody to turn their air conditioners
to seventy eight degrees, but Taylor Swift gets Madison Square
Garden for her wedding. Yeah, this is what they're after.
We want to do what we want to do. And
you all, as Rush used to say, you eat the
excremate sandwich and we'll decide in our mercy if we'll

(28:57):
let you microwave it.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
That's what we want to do.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
That's one more for you guys. See it's my brother's
birthday and he really likes this kind of lane here,
So I'm good all this for my brother's birthday.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Well, Peter, yours delight to have on this show is
always back on, and a happy birthday to him. Thanks Peter,
have a.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
Good day, Thanks so much, fellas.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
All Right, Peter Rosenberg, He's an author, caregiver, a national
radio host out of Montana. Talking about col flatulence and
how it deals with climate change. It was fun, yeah,
and you know what a good guy.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I thought I was at the end of this article
when I was looking online, but I went to the
very end and it was direct the cow's fart in
their general direcsion.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
And their general direction. All right, more coming up on
the Rod and Greg showy.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Welcome back, Welcome back to the Rod and Greg Show
on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine can terests
everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. I'm Citizen Hughes and I'm.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Rod our kid. Do you ever think about getting a tattoo?

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Maybe?

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Or do you have one?

Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm not answering that question out to me. That's very
you know, do you have a grown man's business? How
about that? I don't be asking you about things like.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
That, I'm gonna be asking Queen Bee, She'll she'll know.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, I'm a grown man. Don't you be asking me
those questions? And on air?

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Well, I bring this up because this is not going
to go anywhere, but apparently the state of South Carolina
has banned tattoos on faces and necks. You think that's
going to go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Post malone tomorrow? Does that mean? What if you have them?
You are you banned as well? Or just I don't know,
can show up some face tattoos?

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Can he? Can he do a concert in South Carolina
with this? With this?

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (30:42):
I don't know. I mean he has tattoos on his
neck and his face, So I don't know. I'm not look,
you're gonna see that on me? But I don't know
if there's a lot of people where that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Uh huh? Sure? All right, when we come back our
take on the Oudissey and your take as well where
you bothered by its political correctness? That's coming up next.
All right, welcome back our number two of They're on
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I'm brought our kit.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
I'm citizen Hughes.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
All right now before we get into the audissey, because
we now have both seen it, Yes, enjoyed it? Is
that fair to say, yes, yeah it was. It's enjoyable,
but there are a lot of issues around it. I
did want to bring this thing up. We talked about this.
I think it was about a month ago, Greg, And
there's good news. Remember that measure they were trying to
get approved in Oregon to ban all hunting and fishing.

(31:58):
I remember then. Yes, it failed.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Oh good, good, good good? Was it close?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Let's see? Uh no, it was really right. I didn't
get the numbers.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Good. You never know what that state. But I'm pretty glad.
I'm glad that failed.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah it failed. They fell woefully short of the signatures
they needed. Oh good, Yeah, it was thirteen.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
They had enough signatures and it was gonna be about but.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
They needed one hundred and forty two thousand and they
were short nearly fifteen thousand.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Wow, at least wells what hundred and five hundred what
twenty five thousand idiots it signed it because that wasn't
just like you can't kill a pets. You can't kill
animals at all. I mean, you can't have farming, you
couldn't have you couldn't hunt, you couldn't do anything. I mean,
it's just insane.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
But remember it is Oregon. Yeah, you just have remembered.
That's the state where half the state wants to leave
and enjoin Idaho.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yep, that's right. I remember that. I don't blame I
would want to get I would want out of there too,
I would I think that. You know, that's what Colorado's
offers from is that they have state wide ballots that
don't take any consideration an even distribution of signatures needed
across each county of their state in Colorado. So Denver
will just get all the signatures needed with a bunch

(33:14):
of urban urbans that don't know anything that's true, leaving
the rest of the state of Colorado, you know, for
ballot measures that are insane. So anyway, yeah, that's uh,
that's we don't have that problem here to list on that.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
On that measure, it failed, It failed, all right. Let's
talk about The Odyssey. The Odyssey of course popular film
right now making close to three hundred million dollars. I
believe they're getting close to that. We know the film
has been mired in controversy because some of the plot
lines and certainly some of the casting choices. We have
both seen the film. Now the movie now, I saw

(33:47):
it a couple of weeks ago. You saw this weekend.
What is your take on it, mister Hughes.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
So let me back up a little bit. I chastised
you Rod for even spending money on a show, on
a film that I had read was politically overly politically correct.
It was a rewrite of the lad the three thousand
year poem story that has you know, endured for three
thousand years of recorded history, the Odyssey, and I didn't

(34:12):
have any interest in seeing it. There's when I see
that kind of negative buzz, I don't want to give
them my money. So I had no intention of seeing it.
But my son so so yeah, so I was I
was very judgy. I judged you.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
I said, I'm going to see you, well, you'll see
that thing for you.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah. And even after you said, I'm like, why did
you it's three hours? Like how did you even endure it?
Because I had heard that Christopher Nolan had taken many
liberties with the book and and or the story, and
we can talk about that in this hour, whether he
did or didn't. But I got to tell you this.
My son wanted to see it on this week this weekend,
so I think it was Friday, on Pioneer Day, and

(34:48):
we went and saw an early, an early showing. And
I loved that movie. I loved all three hours of it.
I think it's inspirational. I think it is uh, it's
met It's message is one that is warning us if
we if we leave our spiritual side, if you leave
the worshiping. In their case, it's a mythological story. Their

(35:10):
gods beside en zeus, they have multiple that's a you know,
it's multiple gods. But if you leave the worship of
and the recognition of higher power and you go to
the you know, flesh a man, you go to the
secular life, it all comes apart all around you, and
I thought that that was a very inspiring story. I thought,
maybe I'm just not scholarly and scholarly enough to be

(35:32):
offended by this film, because I've heard so much criticism
by it. Now the casting, you know, Helen of Troy
isn't African, Okay, you can you can, just you can
focus on some of those decisions about the cast. I
didn't find that distracting overall with the story. I found
the story to be what I remembered. I even went
back after the movie to revisit the story of Odysty

(35:54):
to see how far, you know, how much of a
departure there was. I don't find a ton at all.
Pretty close, I thought it was very close three hours too,
so I don't know how much longer you'd want to
make the movie to get some of the details right.
But I found that movie to be thoroughly enjoying, enjoyable.
I found it to be inspiring. I found it to
have some of what I would call life principles or

(36:15):
rules to live by, or ethos or gospel principles that
resonated with me as I watched that. I am shocked
at the criticism that that movie has received. I think
people have overplayed their hand if they think that that
movie is as is the disgrace it's been described.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Well, here's my thoughts. He could not sell me on
Elliott Page being a Greek soldier.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
No, No, Elliotage is kind of a Patsy in it too.
I mean, it was it like that that that role
was like if you're a courageous one.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Now she or he he, she, whatever she is nowadays
was cast in the role of Sinnon. I believe right,
there's no such character. Yeah, there's no such character. So
obviously this was his attempt, I think to legitimize transgenderism.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
No, you don't. It is because she.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Plays a somewhat minor role.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Okay, how much spoilers are we all out of telling this?
If you haven't seen it, I don't want to give any.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Giving anything away.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
I am about to. I'm about to, but I would don't.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Get Well, if you haven't seen the movie, don't listen.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
I'll just say this as vague as I can without
trying to give away details of the movie. If you
thought this was if you thought this was transgender's big
moment and to shine in a big epic piece, I
don't think that character or what happens that character is
overly complimentary. I don't think it's it's a side, and
I don't if that's your big moment, I think you'd

(37:45):
leave that theater a little underwhelmed because I don't think
I think that that role and that and that person
and that character played a role that was It's a detail,
but I wouldn't. I wouldn't put it up there in
the you know, a big one, I said, but there's
a role of Patsy. There's a Patsy in the movie,
and maybe that Patsy is the person we're talking.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
About all right now. I want to know if there's
anybody out there who who, like yourself, at first, was
skeptical and say, I don't know about this. You know,
I hear all the critics you were. I'm more open
minded than you are. But but you know I went
into it differently. You know, are there people out there
who went to see it? You did so because you

(38:27):
wanted to see it, because your son, Reagan wanted to see.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
It, because my son wanted to see it.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
So you want you you want to go with deal? Yes,
father son deal.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Right, warned them a three hours you know, these young kids.
You know, he's in his twenties. By I thought, you know,
is your attentionspan going to last three hours in the
dark room?

Speaker 5 (38:43):
Like it?

Speaker 2 (38:43):
He loved it?

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, absolutely, But you changed your mind one hundred.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Percent changed my mind. In fact, I would say, if
you ever do decide you want to see that movie,
I would say the largest screen that you can see it.
They say, i'm I mean to go Max. We went
to a movie theater that has a very very it's
there largest screen of their of their theater, but it's
not it's not as big as i'max. But I saw
it on the very very put it this way, a
large screen, multiple stories high, and then when the sound happens,

(39:09):
you can feel the vibration of the sound. So it's
kind of that kind of experience. I would see that
three hour epic story in an environment like that, where
it's dark, your phone is off, and you are.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Just immersing the movie.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
If I'm at my house watching my TV in my
living room, yeah, I don't know that I come away
catching the different details or the message. And I think
that whatever whatever impression you have, and I've read some
impressions that people have had, if you're stuck with the story,
and you stuck to the end of the story. There's
a there's a loop that's closed that shows that, you know,

(39:41):
some people are saying that that movie downplays the gods
or deemphasizes them. Not if you stick with the storyline,
it doesn't does. It's like the Odyssey. It's a twenty
year journey and it's a it's a journey that he's on,
and I don't think that anything was ignored. I think
it's how it's portrayed throughout the movie, and then I
think it wraps up quite well at the end.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Well, Christopher Nolan has done two amazing films that I've
seen all of his. Matter of fact, one of the shows,
Inception is a movie I love. Inception is a great,
a fun, fun movie. But Oppenheimer. There is a connection
between Oppenheimer, which you haven't seen yet, and The Odyssey,
and it's an interesting connection. I don't want to go
into it because I think it gives it away. But

(40:24):
I would like to hear from our listeners, people who
were a little skeptical going in and what was your
reaction coming out, because you weren't bothered by some of
the political correctness.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
So space.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, in the movie. It didn't bother me either.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
That movie. There's so much going on in that movie.
And I do think that the stories and the mythod
you know, the cyclops and the there's different stories that
are part of that whole journey. They were as I
remember them. I even went back to look to see
if I got it wrong, and they're in there. They're
in there. So I think I thought it was an
incredibly good movie, better than we've seen in a long time.

(40:56):
I think it was.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
It was in a while.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
And they didn't use all that you know, the special effects.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, he did it the old the old fashioned way.
You make the horse Yep, yeah they did. They made
the horse.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
It is it is. I think it's a visual I
think the whole movie is done well.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
All right, let's open the phones. Let's open our talk
back lines too. How many of you have gone just
to see it thinking I'll withstand the political correctness and
coming out that you go, wow, it wasn't as bad
as I thought, or others who simply because of everything
they've read and they heard, are going to walk away
and said I'm not game going to see it eight
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Speaker 2 (41:48):
I'm Citizen Hughes and I'm Roder Arkent.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
As you're heading home tonight, maybe just joining us. Both
Greg and I have now seen the Odyssey. We've weighed
in on it. We think it's a it's a it's
a great film, fun film. Yeah, there were a lot
of people out there, conservatives who were very concerned about
it and have expressed their concern over the political correctness
and some of the messages the director, Christopher Nolan is

(42:12):
trying to send. But we saw them. We both enjoyed it,
that's fair to say.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, And I gotta be careful because you know, I
didn't see Supergirl because I heard that was a bunch
of you know, politically coruct stuff, So I didn't see
that in the previews. Yeah, there's a lot of movies
I'll just avoid if I just hear that it's it's
Hollywood being Hollywood. But I got to tell you I went.
I went for different motivation. My kid wanted, my son
wanted to go with me, so I was going to go.
And I came out of that movie. I could not

(42:38):
have been more impressed. I thought that was a great,
great film. So all right, I'm yeah, curious what our
audience thinks.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
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Speaker 2 (43:01):
Okay, let's go to Scott in West Jordan. Scott, thank
you for holding it, and welcome to the Ron and
Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (43:08):
Yeah, Greg and Rod. I really went to went to
the show thinking, no, my guys is going to be woke. Uh,
And I went from my for my son and my
wife and ended up loving it. It really was really
to the truth of the spirit of of what the
Odyssey was about, which is the desperation of men in

(43:29):
you know, those times trying to win battles that seemed
like they were they were endless and what was the point.
And I really liked the message that the that he
was trying to say, at least that's what I got
from it.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
That.

Speaker 7 (43:43):
Uh yeah, So I really liked it. I liked the
I like the lack of c G I. I really
liked the more original.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (43:51):
I love the psyclops. I thought that was that was
really well well executed.

Speaker 6 (43:57):
Loved it.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, yeah, it was good, Scott. I would agree with you.
I very enjoyable movie.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
So so, I don't know how many when you're on X,
I don't know if everyone does this. I used to
do this as a lawmaker. If I was, if there
was we were on the floor and a lot of
votes are coming and going, and I and i'm I'm
off the floor, and I'm you have to be on
the floor to vote. And there's that that there's a
chime in the House that goes on. You can hear
it in the Capitol when it's time to vote, so
you can just get your butt in here. Yeah, it's like, yeah,
so you hear the chime, and so you've got to

(44:25):
be on the Florida vote. It's one of the House rules.
And so I many times some of those votes come fast,
and if I was trying to meet, if I was
trying to do two things at once, and I wasn't
one hundred percent sure of the bill that was before us.
I have some weather vane lawmakers who I believe see
the world as close to me as possible. And there
was a few of these lawmakers and if I saw
them voting a certain way, it would bring me comfort

(44:48):
that I you know, if I read the short title short,
you know I could, I would go with what I
saw by example.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
So are you admitting there were two or three of
you up on the state Capitol.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Well, there's a few. I just I did. I felt
like they were the closest to me where if they
were vote a certain way, I was you're probably yeah,
I was that way. Yeah. So they were kind of
like weather veins for me. Uh but I have that
on on social media. So I have a couple of
weather veins, like people that are on X that will
post that if this person's posting and they have a
take that I know I'm on the right course, or

(45:17):
if I think differently, I gotta think twice. One of
them is a gentleman old, he's a he's a he
used to be at a fighter pilot. He was a
Delta Airline pilot. He was a member of the Secret
Service and carried the football the briefcase for President Clinton
lives here. He doesn't live here, but he had he
has some connection to the state. But he has over
a half a million followers on two.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
And what does he say about this?

Speaker 2 (45:38):
He posted, So, this is a guy that I followed
quite a bit. His name is Buzz Patterson. So at
Buzz Patterson, I love this this guy. He's a good veteran.
He can get a little salty, so the language can
get a little like you would think of a veteran
of you know, a soldier may get. And he praised
the movie. He praised it. He said he absolutely enjoyed it.
And it was so while I came back from that
movie and said, I got a review. I gotta review

(46:00):
Homer like, I don't know what I missed because I
didn't find I'm not offended, I'm not mad. I thought
it was a great story, just like our callers shared.
And so when I saw the Buzz Patterson hadn't had
all nothing but praise, I went, Okay, that's a that's
a weather vane. For me, that's a that's someone who's uh,
I'm not off, I'm not completely off, because he's also
seeing it and feeling the same way. I think that

(46:23):
one of the most powerful messages of that story, of
that whole story, and really Homer's odesty. Remember this is
three thousand years.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Story's been an one and recorded.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Human history in the last three thousand years. It's amazing
when you get a series of poems made into a
story that endure for three thousand years. I think one
of them is I had always seen and it reminded
me when I saw the film that, you know, the
way they took down Troy got inside the gates, took
it down was heroic. But the but the carnage and

(46:53):
the destruction of their at their time, their gods because
they had more than one. But what they what happened
inside those walls, Osidius is not proud of He's not happy,
and he feels ownership too, And that journey home is
one where he has to get right with himself and
with and with the sacrilege and and what he did

(47:13):
to gods that he revered. He left a home where
Zeus's law was was the highest law, he was a
man of he was a spiritual man, and he felt
that he had done some of the worst things.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Well he wiped out people. Yes, if you think in Troy,
he wiped him out.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
And and that was a hard thing for him to
come back from. Uh physically, but then even emotion I
just thought that, you know what, that's a that is
a real stat that's I can connect with that. I
think that is a story that endures time for a reason.
And I I didn't think Christopher Nolan Slaughter slaughtered that
story at all. I thought that was that was the takeaway.
And if you thought the gods got de emphasized in that,

(47:51):
it didn't. In fact, I think that the gods and
his worship of are strong. In the beginning, I think
what he does, he feels that he's fallen from that,
and so he's trying to make his own way, not
believing he's worthy of the God's consideration. So he's trying
to battle through whatever. He's worried that gods are cursing him,
Poseidon for throwing the arrow at the psyclops, or whatever

(48:12):
it may be. But at the end, it is him
coming back both spiritually and physically toned to Ithaca and
I just thought, man, that was a great story.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
There is a point of the movie where I think
he comes to realize what he has done, and it's
a very powerful moment in the movie, and when he
looks around and he recognizes it and he basically says,
what have I done?

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Powerful part of the movie. All right, more your calson comments.
It is the Rod and Greg Show with you on
this Monday afternoon right here on Utah's Talk Radio one
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(48:56):
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Speaker 2 (49:06):
I'm Rod Arkatt, I'm citizen Greg Hughes.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
If you're wondering right now, how many of you out
there have seen The Odyssey. A lot of people expressing
concern before the movie premiered, basically saying it's too politically correct.
He's really making some choices that we don't agree with,
we aren't going to see it other It's like myself
and Greg were kind of skeptical going in, but we
have seen it and the result is we both enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah. I don't know how many movies you've seen. If
you're batting a thousand, every movie you walk into, you
walk out saying this movie is excellent. There's a lot
of movies that don't have bad hype that I that
I watch, probably streaming more than going to the theater.
I honestly don't go to the theater as much.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
No, you don't. When you told me you saw it
over the way you show me, you know, said you
saw and wow, you usually don't go to I don't.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I went to Maverick, and I can't remember what I've
seen since then. But then I also was on a
roll once I saw Honestly, I went and saw Young Washington.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Washington as well.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Excellent movie.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah, good movie.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
So I had a good weekend on the movie front.
But but there's movies you're gonna go to and you're
gonna come out of there going it was okay. I mean,
I'm not gonna this three thousand year story I think
this was it did it justice. I think it's three
hours of good. I wasn't bored, I wasn't antsy. I
didn't find there to be a slow part. And then
I went back to say, what did I miss? So
I went back and reviewed Homer's Odyssey and and you know,

(50:21):
the Iliad. I just wanted to see what am I
What am I missing? I couldn't see enough deviation from
that movie to earn the kind of ire this movie
is received. Now again, there's some other comments I've heard.
We had a color say if he thinks it was
over hyped in terms of how woke it was. But
if if the people that I've seen who like it,

(50:44):
you liked it, I liked it. If we're good with it,
you know, I don't know. I think I'm I'm willing
to put my I'm willing to say it's a great movie.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, well you brought this up second ago, Greg. I
remember seeing the final installment of The Lord.

Speaker 5 (50:57):
Of the Rings.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah, return of the Key, yep, right, And I kept
on saying to myself near the end of it, just
get up that mountain and throw that in there. Yeah
for crying out loud, and this movie Now, I didn't
think about that in this movie, saying get there for fine,
will you get home? Will you get to Ethaica? For
crying out loud? I didn't get that sense.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
I know what I mean. There are some movies I
watch and the protagonist starts to get under my skin.
At some point, I'm like, I want the bad guys
to win because I'd like this person to go away
in this movie. I don't even like this story anymore.
This person's annoying didn't have any of that on this
te And again, if Helen, if Helen of Troy is
not is not the right race. It just wasn't wrapping
me around an axle. I wasn't. That wasn't the beginning,

(51:41):
middle and end of that movie for me. The guy
that you mentioned, the Syrian or whatever the name, I
don't know that that that that that character. I think
that again, if if you know a guy gal, that
was a guy. Now, if that was the big coming
out moment, and and you know in film, in a film,
I don't know that that was the best character because

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I don't think that character didn't mind me, and I
don't think they were expected to do much in that role.
So that didn't really bother me either. I don't know.
I thought that the story was great, and I actually
think it has a lot of application in the world
we live in now and how we all go through
that journey of you know, life and learning.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Let's go to our talk back line tonight and here's
a comment from one of our listeners.

Speaker 8 (52:27):
Hello, Greg and Rod, this is Steve Laighton, Utah.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
A little bit about.

Speaker 8 (52:31):
The trojan horse of putting the soldiers in there and
getting inside the fort and then taking the fort. Troy's
the big story. Well, d Ei, you let them in
a little bit, they'll get in there and they'll destroy
from the inside out. So that's a little point of
the story. Then I don't think you two got.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Well I did read that into it.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
No, Actually, what I read into it was they were
so interested in destroying Troy. They've been outside those walls
for so many years, and.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
It was it was Troy was you couldn't use it.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
They spent ten years there, Well, they spent a number
of years trying to get and they couldn't, so they
used this trick. But what they did is they preyed
upon their respect and adherence to the gods, and they
use their belief and offerings and things that they would
they knew they would accept, and it was there they
and what Odysse's used was their their faith and their

(53:27):
traditions and their gods to destroy them. And he knew
he did it, and he knew that that's how he
got in there. And then when he saw the killing
of women and children, and he saw the desecration of
Athene of the god, and he saw their gods the
statues being destroyed, he realized that he used people's faith
in their beliefs against them, okay, and getting in there.

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So what I would say is and what the theme
I took from that movie is the secular world. And
that's you saw the the you saw the decline. And
they say in there that our society has offul society
as we've known it is going away. And when he
gets back to Ithaca, he comes back to a kingdom
that is very different than the one he left, one
that does not adhere to the Zeus's rule and to

(54:10):
the rules of their gods, and where they had placed
them so lofty in their culture, and then their lives
had been had been cast aside, and that is what
he felt. He wrought upon society by using people's faith
in their belief against them.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
You know, it's so funny with Steve's coming that we
just got on our talk back line. He sees something
in the movie that you and I didn't even see.
So isn't it funny how people look like at a
movie like this and they'll see different things and leave
an impression with them uncertain things. Yeah, and I didn't
see what Steve talked about.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
And you know that is kind of art. I mean,
if you if you see a painting, if you see
something and it speaks to you a certain way, or
you see something or you take something from it, the
artist may whoever the artist was that created it, they
really do have ownership of it at that point. I
know this sounds kind of heady and everything else, but
I'm telling you that what you pull from art is

(55:06):
really yours. And I'm telling you I saw that three
hour movie and I thought it was inspirational, and my
takeaway was the secular world, the arm of flesh can
take you away from the higher laws and the higher
purpose that we all have, or I think we innately have.
And that is what he He didn't mean to, but
he had destroyed or desecrator of blasphemed on his own

(55:31):
and created and lived with that as his journey trying
to get back to his kingdom. And I think that
I think we see that the world is more secular,
the world is less If you look at the stats,
I mean, Utah shines among fifty states, but because we
are the most church going population of any state. But
we're seeing the numbers decline everywhere, and we're seeing the
United States become a more secular nation. And it's getting

(55:53):
pretty scary. And then all the ills that come with
that that you would imagine that come with it, we're
experiencing that as well. I thought that was that was
that was one of the That was the main storyline
that I took from that movie.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Yeah, all right, more coming up on The Rod and
Gregg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine Canteras.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Final segment of the second hour of The Rod and
Gregg Show. On Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine
Canteress everywhere in the iHeartRadio app. I'm Citizen Hughes.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
And I'm rod Arkia. Just join in us. We've been
spending the hour talking about Odissey. Both Greg and I
like the show, even though there are a lot of
conservatives out there who did not enjoy the political correctness. Yeah,
we have things that we could pick, pick and pick apart,
but overall we enjoyed it. Let's go back to our
talkback line. Here's another listener weighing in on our thoughts.

Speaker 9 (56:40):
Also, Hey, Rod and Greg, love your show, love the
talk back feature. I see The Odyssey as a good show,
but at the same time, it just feels like frogs
being slowly boiled in water. I totally agree with me
Walsh on this one. I can't understand why conservative voices

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are suddenly on board with his producer.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Look, by the way, did you read what Matt Walls
said it?

Speaker 2 (57:15):
So I did. But the part that he said is
that they really pulled away from the mythological part of it,
or they deemphasized it. I don't think they did at all.
I think what you saw was at least I think
there you know Nolan, whatever his name is, what is it,
Chris Nolan, Chris christ. I think it was his story
about not about the de emphasizing in the story, but

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he himself Odysseus after what he's done and what's happened
in Troy and what he feels he had done to
his gods and everything else. He was deemphasizing that he
was trying to he wasn't worthy of the favor of
the gods. He wasn't trying to listen to them anymore.
And you saw his journey, which was a punishing one,
and really he only came back when he came back

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to his faith into the gods. Anyway, I don't think
I don't I don't even think Matt Walsh he didn't
spot what I spotted. He says that they he ignored.
They ignored the gods in the mythological aspect of the story.
I thought they were right front and side. I saw Cyclops,
I saw seriouses who turned you know, who turned the
men into animal I saw a lot of mythological stuff
that gods did. They saw beside and throw them around everywhere.

(58:23):
By the way, in the making of that movie, to
the point that this was real and not you know,
not special effects. The extras they had on those boats,
they were really hitting here hard, hard ways. The vomit
was real, but there were Pukember got s out that
was actually really happening in that movie, So the scenes
caught that I thought that. I don't think it was

(58:43):
de emphasized. I think it was. I think it was
showing how he himself had fallen away from and what
that meant to him, and how he came back.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
When it comes to movies like this, especially during the summer, Greg,
I go back to glad he and I love that
the line that Russell Crow had early in the morning,
early in the show, are you entertained?

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (59:04):
And my answer on this show on the Odyssey, yes,
I was entertained. And that's why go to the movies
to understand things a little bit more, to be informed
or to be entertained. And that was a thoroughly, in
my opinion, entertaining mode.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Now look, I will tell you this, if you've not
seen the movie, yeah, I would. I would be joining
the comments of I'm not giving money, time attention to
people that want to rewrite, want to want to, you know,
put into today's perspective a classic, a three thousand year story,
that of Homer's Odyssey. I don't. I have no interest
in that. I would be I would be mirroring the

(59:41):
observations that I'm hearing about conservatives that have a concern
with the movie. When you see the movie, I can't
spot the outrage. I can't spot the inconsistency or the
story going away from what the Odyssey was as a story.
I don't see it. I didn't catch it. Again, I don't.
Maybe I'm not scholarly enough to be offended as I

(01:00:02):
should be, But I'm telling you, I even revisited Yeah
Honesty to see if I forgot some major parts that
this was offending and I should be offended. Couldn't find it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Yeah, well, we'll see. It's doing very well at the
box office. I think well over three hundred million dollars
now here in the US alone. Internationally figure is much higher.
It is the big hit of the summer so far.
I'm not expecting. The only one I'm looking forward to
before the end of the year now is doing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Three well, and so yeah, me too. I've never seen Avatar,
any of those movies. I'm never going to see any
of them. It's a big Yeah, it's a big environmental show.
Never watching that one. If that's good, I'll never know,
all right, Mark totally changed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
On the Rotten Greg Show. You are now entering our
number three of the Rotting Greg Show with you on
this Monday after noon and Utud's Talk Radio one o
five nine k n RS. How are you everybody? I
hope you've had a good Monday. Has it cooled down?
It all out there? I went out about three o'clock.

(01:01:03):
It was hot.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
It was still hot right now. What is it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Denny's in the other room taking shaking his head and
cooled down.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Had that If you're wondering, Coronado is at a steamy
seventy eight. Shut up, but ninety four right now outside?
So yeah, there's what's just say in Coronado seventy eight?
So it's hot.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Even even Abby who lives up you know, in the
higher elevations where you and I don't dare live or
can't afford to live, but she can. She said it
was even hot in Park City this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Gee. Yeah, they're up in the mountains.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
She didn't have air conditioning. Usually don't need it really
in that part of it. You know, they're up in
the mountains.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Have you seen the post and people are coming back
from the World Cup in America? There, someone's back from
in Germany. I think I need to get air conditioning.
I'm going to get it from the bedroom. I'm sorry
because they realized I didn't know it was a thing. Well,
welcome to America.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Yeah, welcome to America, buddy. All right. How many times
have people walked up to you, Greg? They've done it
to me on several occasions. Saint Rod, Have you ever
seen the country as divided as it is right now?

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
No, it is a common refrain we hear. I hear
it a lot, But I think social media and the
digital age has made it feel different. But I am
looking forward to this discussion we're about to have because
I think the more you understand about history and American
history and American politics, yeah, I don't know that it's
as different as people think.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Well, the division this time, to me is different because
I've been on this earth a lot longer than you have.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Yes, your I'd call it institutional memory.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Yeah, my institutional Mayora. I remember how the country felt
during Vietnam. Yeah, and it was divided then. But the
division is different. In my opinion. The division there was
whether or not we should be a war to begin with.
This division that I'm starting to feel in the country
now in some aspects is do we want to keep
this form of government? Or do we want to go elsewhere?

(01:02:49):
Because there are people in this country who don't think
the free market and capitalism is working for them anymore.
So they're willing to look at even changing our government,
which to me is very dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
That is a merging narratives, certainly with the Democrat Socialist
of America. That's taking a lot of attention that we
probably we haven't really you know, the red scare was
the opposite. We're taking those ruskies and getting them out
of here. Yeah, now there.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
It's a different scare in my opinion. Well, let's dig
into this a little bit more. Joining us on our
any our Newsmaker line right now is Professor Greg Jackson.
He is Chair of Integrated Studies Deputy Director of National
Security Studies at Utah Valley Universities. He's joining us on
our Newsmaker line right now. Greg, how are you welcome
to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
I'm doing all right, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Let's talk about this article that we saw you write.
I think you've written a new book on this talking
about division in America now and in the past. Is
it that much different in your opinion?

Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
Greg? Yeah, So the book has been there, done how
our history shows what can overcome in it. I tack
three major top fake news, contested elections, and political violence.
And my argument is that we have been there and
done that, that these are recurring themes in American history.

(01:04:04):
And I don't say any of this to dismiss the
very real challenges that both of you were just talking about.
As I'm hanging fire and waiting to join the chat,
but I'm hoping to remind Americans that we have conquered
these demons. That it's more they arise we overcome it
than it crops back up. And that tells me that

(01:04:24):
one we have the ability to do this, and two,
the history gives us answers, you know, it's the roadmap
is there for how we come back together. So that's
what I want, you know, Americans to see.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
I enjoyed this article. You said that you avoided on
purpose some low hanging fruit of like the Civil War
or things that or even the Vietnam War, where people's
minds might go to really quickly to point to some
other wrinkles in our American history and political history that
aren't as common. One of them is was something that
happened in Louisiana. That I only knew because I read

(01:04:58):
this article. Maybe you can share with our listeners something
I think extraordinary happened. And the race was it for
governor or lieutenant governor in Louisiana.

Speaker 5 (01:05:07):
Yeah, so it was the election of eighteen seventy two.
And I know this would be really hard for either
of you to wrap your head around, but here we
had an election for the executive office in which both
parties insisted that they won. Judges federal judges weighed in,
neither party conceded, and we ended up with a clash
between the supporters of one party and the police at

(01:05:30):
the capitol and they were dead afterward.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Wow, yeah, we'ven I mean, that's that seems pretty serious,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:05:41):
And again I'm talking about Louisiana right that, I'm not
talking about the twenty twenty election. So these sorts of
things that people look at and go, oh my gosh,
we've never done anything like before. And I'm not trying
to minimize these conflicts in the present, but I am
trying to say, look, we actually have gone through this before,
and we've overcome it so early I have to write

(01:06:01):
an entire book to remind you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
What ever, happened. So in that story, it was raised
for governor. Both sides declared victory. Both sides were trying.
They had competing inaugurations. I mean we're I mean they're not.
This isn't just the days after the election they are having.
They are just they are ready to install their their
executive branch for the state of Louisiana. Yeah, and they
so in reconstruction Louisiana. You've got this madness. I mean,

(01:06:25):
that is that is a problem. How did that get
sorted out at the end, at the end of the day.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
Yeah, so, I mean, first to your point. In January
of eighteen seventy three, both of these governors took their
oath of office just blocks away from each other. Their
inaugurations actually overlapped just the smallest bit. Both continued to
insist that they were governing. Both of them had their
own state legislature, even that was meeting. Political violence ensued

(01:06:54):
their actual street battles over the next year in change,
and by the time we get to eighteen seventy four,
the Democrats who had lost, federal judges had said that
the Republicans had won. And there's so many details as
to how how messy this election was and why it
was indeed really contested. But this led to what was

(01:07:14):
called the Battle of Liberty Place. So the Democrats descended
upon the Capitol. A lot of them were Confederate veterans.
I mean, they're even wearing some of their gear from
the Civil War. And they're met on the other side
by the New Orleans Police, led ironically enough by a

(01:07:35):
former Confederate general who has since become a Republican, old
Pete Longstreet, who was known as the war horse of
Robert Elye. And they're about fifteen dead among the Democratic supporters,
all a part of what was called the White League,
and among the police, they're about thirteen left. Dad and

(01:07:56):
the Democrats chased the Republican government out. President Grant had
to send federal true ten days later to restore the
Republican government. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Well, there's an interesting line in this story that we saw.
I think it was in the was it the Destight News? No,
in the Salt Lake Triviune, where I think you refer
to the fact that the root causes of division in
this country have been stitched together in the fabric of
the country from the very start. What do you mean
by that?

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
So if we read Federalist number ten James Mask who
makes a very articulate point about how you can't have
liberty and basically not have different opinions. It's all one,
you know, it's two ends of the same sticks. And
he further goes on to say that liberty is to

(01:08:47):
faction what air is to fire, and it would be stupid.
I'll paraphrase now I was quoting him there, but to paraphrase,
you wouldn't get rid of oxygen so that you don't
have to deal with fire. That's stupid. You kill everything. Well, similarly,
you can't have the very liberties that give us the
freedom of the press, the freedom of speech, and not

(01:09:07):
expect to have to deal with factionalism. So he basically
says this is this is one of the side effects
of liberty. You're going to have partisanship. However, he also
urges us to control it. And so I go on
in the book to explain, you know, it's like fire.
It's a great analogy. Fire can tear through our house,

(01:09:30):
it can do damaged, it can kill us. It can
also be a tool for illuminating the light the night.
It can also be the means by which we cook
our food. That's up to us, and that is what
I encourage Americans to think through, and I lay out
a number of things we should be doing if we
want to harness that and control it as opposed to
letting it rage through and tear us apart.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Here's a diversity of thought. You sound like you say
you're from Higher ED. You say you're from UVU, and
you're talking about diversity of thought. I don't. I can't
believe that. That doesn't seem like the climate of which
we operate right now, Sir. I love the first name, Greg,
but I seriously question whether you're a professor because diversity
of thought has been a topic on our show quite
a bit in terms of students and what they're taught.

(01:10:11):
And is there true a rigorous debate of a competition
of thoughts and ideas. I agree with you, it is
like oxygen to fire, and you need it if you're
going to have a free society. But do you feel
it where you work.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
Well, I'm not gonna go meet myself a spokesman for
all of Higher Eds.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
I will play you back.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
In my experience. Come sit in on my class and
you tell me what you experienced okay, Oh, that'd be
welcome to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
An that'd be fun to do. Let me ask you
this great how do we heal? I mean through divisions?
But you would say there have been divisions in this
country before, and we find somehow find a way to
heal ourselves. Is it one person that we look to
to help heal us? Is it the ballot box? How
do we heal?

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
It is the ballot box? And I know people kind
of hate to hear that because it just sounds so easy.
But it's like when your doctor says, well, you know right,
and exercise a lot of this stuff is going to
go away. The founders talked a lot about something called
public virtue, and they all just found it a little
bit differently. But I believe public virtue is what you
have to have in order to have a republic function

(01:11:13):
in the present day. I'd say that means being a
perpetual learner. It means staying informed on events so that
you can judge what you're you know, what you're elected
members of Congress, you name it, are actually doing. And
finally you have to be engaged. So many of us
congratulate ourselves. I don't mean this as tongue in Checa.
I'm not for a casul person, and that comes out.

(01:11:35):
But you know, we congratulate ourselves on voting in November,
and to me, that's like getting a gym pass and
then you know, showing up in January and we go, yep,
I've worked out to help you. If you want government
by the people, the people have to be doing it.
You have to be engaged through the process. So we'll
get better candidates for November instead of allows the binary

(01:11:59):
if we even get a binary. Right, Sometimes we have
incumbents who run unopposed, and even if they're a good
public servant, well, it's a disservice to all of us
for them to get the message that I don't even
have to try. Yeah right, yeah, So we need to
be engaged.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Before we let you go. I want to get your
thoughts on the state of the country today, and in
particular this rise of socialism that we in the media
are constantly talking about. Your general thoughts is to what
you see going on here.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
Look, I'll tell you that for me, I'm a regulated
capitalism of the way. What I see are Americans on
both sides where one is screaming that there's fascism and
another screaming that's full on communism. And we've done this game.
This is another parallel. We've done this before. So I'm

(01:12:51):
not endorsing any positions here. And I very intentionally, as
a professor who does like the diversity of thought, Greg,
I look for having in my class. I think it
a very I make it a very intentional thing to
never tell my what to think, to only lay out
the evidence and let them have debates in class. And

(01:13:11):
I would like to see Americans who disagree on both
of those sides talking to each other more. That's me
is the problem, and here they're not the problem. It's
when we dig in and refuse to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Oh good point, Greg, fascinating interview. We'll have to get
you on before down the road. Thank you for your time.

Speaker 5 (01:13:30):
It's my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Hey, thanks on.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Our Newsmaker line. Professor Greg Jackson is at Utah Valley University.
It's got a brand new book out talking about division
in America.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
He doesn't tell the students where he's at. I thought
that was like part of the syllabus on the left
and you better everything, you better right, better be a
left of center or else I'm giving you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
An f I think he's asking them to think.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
My sense is you would tell him how to think.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Well, no, no, that's what his approach is very familiar
to what my higher ed experience was that I that
I have diversity of the fact that I don't see now.
I love the rigorous debate we went through. I love
being challenged on ideas and you you don't have all
the answers, and so you learn a lot through that process.
But I've always I've always worried, and I think that
I don't know what what Greg Jackson describes is the

(01:14:17):
state of play everywhere. I love hearing that. It's the
case in his class. I'll go on it. You and
I are audit time.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
We should go sit down.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
We should go sit down the back. You know, the
young ones will see that we're old heads. Will probably
be a distraction, but I would love to sit through
his class.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Well, they'll see the beard an old guy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
I know, you know, old guys can still be they
can't be judging, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
All right, more coming up on the Rod and Greg
Show in Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine, kay
r s.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Welcome back to the Rod and Greg show on Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine can ter s Everywhere
on the iHeartRadio app. I'm Citizen Hughes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
And I'm roder Ar Kent. Before the break, we were
talking with the professor Greg Jackson, he is with Utah
Valley University, about his brand new book talking about division
in America and the fact that we've been through this
before and we'll get through it, which I think we will.
We're a great country, will survive, you know, it all
gets a little rough, but will be okay in my opinion,

(01:15:11):
because I think in the heartland of America they're really
still great. Americans go to work every day, involved in
their community. And he raised the point that you and
I talk a lot about, Greg, being involved in this
country is more than just voting. I loved how I said,
you know, you go vote, and you know the code
of the gym. You know, hey, I exercise. No, it

(01:15:32):
means getting involved, educating yourself as to what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
That's right. Not everybody has to run for office, No,
but it is a participation sport. It is one that
depends on the sovererity of the people. Does depend on
people getting involved, and you can't have it without it,
And there's a lot of people that hope you don't
because they would love to control it all. So they
hope you they hope apathy reigns, but it is. It
is something that's far greater than just voting on election
day or primaries, but preparing for that and knowing who

(01:16:00):
you'd like to vote for. And there's a lot a
lot of times ballot measures, constitutional amendments that are on
ballots as well. Yeah, it's why I don't actually have
a problem with an advance mailing of a ballot by
it you know, to see it early so you don't
have to vote, so you don't have to have it
all at you on the day you vote. But the
actual not to vote, not to vote, but just get information. Yeah,
or even if it were about but to return that

(01:16:22):
under it's under the same way you would vote normally.
So you get the information ahead of time. You can
get that, but when you come to vote, you've been
able to you've had time to review it and see it,
but then vote using ID and confirming the chain of
custody is that the person that's eligible to vote has
been has presented ID and that they are eligible to
vote and go from there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
So you know, we've talked about this on the show
in a relationship to this greg. The thing that I
think ticks off conservatives more than anything else, I believe,
is the way liberals look down on conservatives.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Yeah, it's a more failing or an intellectual fil Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
They think we're a bunch of bible tote and gun
carrying hicks.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Yes that is. That is. That's and and you can
see it and go watch MS now, go watch CNN.
The right of center opinion has always scoffed the eye rolls.
I've even seen one where someone argued a while ago
that unfettered open border illegal immigration that comes in impacts
the cost of living, impacts the availability of housing. And

(01:17:22):
there have been television hosts that say, are you kidding me?
You really think that's true. Well, we're seeing it play out.
You're seeing with a secure border, you're seeing vacancy rates
that are going up. You're seeing the rents not going
out of control anymore. You're seeing an adjustment in our
housing industry from a control border versus an open border.
It's it's being proven, but the disdain and the condescension

(01:17:43):
to even suggest that the open borders were impacting our
housing availability, the cost of They could not believe, Yeah,
you were such a savage suggest such a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Well, Elon musk Tesla and SpaceX Phone did an interview
with the editor chief editor of The Economist. The Economist
is British based, very liberal right, and he went after
this editor saying, you know, people on quote the far
right are really wacky. And he responded and said, we're

(01:18:18):
just normal people.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
I agree, No, I agree that the center of gravity
in this country has shifted.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Certainly the Democratic party shift is the left.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
But that's not what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I'm talking about people like group of please people.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
It's actually just normal people. It's just nore people. It's
just more people and the and here are the principles,
and and tell me which are these sound terrible? That
we should have secure borders, that we should have safe cities,
that we should have sensible spending. Which are those three
are a far right fringe? And I would like to

(01:18:49):
just admonish you and the media for the absurd characterization
of the far right. It is false and misleading and nonsense.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
I love false, misleading and nonsense any spot on.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
And you don't have to go very very back, very
far in American history, and here are Barack Obama candidate
Barack Obama speak like what you would they would say
is a crazy maga person. Now in terms of a
secure border, you can find quotes from Hillary Clinton. You
go back and then you find even Bill Clinton announcing
the era of big government is over and seeing that
they're going to bounce. They balanced a budget under President Clinton.

(01:19:26):
So these concepts that that the left wants to say
is a product of your intellectual failing intellect and moral
failing h they are thinking. They are issues that the
Democrats not long in my opinion, not long ago embraced
and promoted themselves. But they have shifted so far left
that everything again that isn't what they believe is crazy,
it's fringe, it's it's and it's it's you see it

(01:19:49):
in the media like the woman from the Economists, but
you can see it all over it Again, this is
not of both sides ism, like I keep here, I
think this is firmly from one side.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
All right, we've got another half hour coming your way
of the Rod and Greg Joe right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine kN RS. All Right,
welcome back. Final half hour to spend with us, Rod
and Greg right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine K and r S live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
I'm brought our kit, I'm citizen Greg Hughes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Have you heard this crazy story over the weekend coming
out of Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
There's a lot of crazy stories in Minnesota. That's like,
have you heard a crazy story out of this insane
asylum up the hill?

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Well, this is a movement backed by no other than
our favorite Timmy Walls.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Oh is this about the books?

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Oh, that they had trans books for.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
No, not books, dolls. Oh, that's it already. Transgender dolls
will be accessible to Minnesota's school children between the ages
of four and ten starting this fall, as a result
of a taxpayer funded development program supported by none other

(01:20:58):
than Governor Timmy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Yeah, the guy that the Democrats said, you know, we
need a manly man, we need a man's man to
be the vice president on the ticket.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
When is he out of office?

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
I don't know, and not soon enough. This guy is,
you know, those little happy hands waving at everybody made
and trying to give all these dolls, these poor little
impressionable kids. Given these trans dolls, you got to be kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Here's what they are. They're called the My Gender Dolls
Oh My Goodness, which were developed in part through the
University of Minnesota's Early Innovation Fund, will be for use
by clinicians and educators starting this fall. A first report,
so I did the website. The dolls, according to the website,
were designed for gender diverse children ages four through ten.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Four years old, four year old of ten.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
So yeah, ages four through ten.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
If I was talking to a leftist right now and
they want to say, well, don't be so judgmental about this.
You know there's a lot of trans kids and you're
being judgment I'd say this. I'd say, from the age
of four to ten, you're on you're on a ticking
clock to learn how to read at grade level in
anything that the state of the State of Minnesota or
any state. It's school districts, it's counties, whatever funding they're receiving,

(01:22:09):
if it is not on a race to get that child,
that student to be able to read a grade level
with third grade, the stats say that if you're not,
you're behind the rest of the time. So you can
quick giving out the dolls and you can start increase
increasing your year over year proficiency of these students because
they the scores coming out of our schools right now
post COVID are a disaster. They are an absolute disaster.

(01:22:31):
So stop the social engineering and get these kids academically prepared.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Did you ever play with mister potato head? Of course
you could interchange right, thinks, well, you can do that
with these dolls. Come with interchangeable accessories and removal and
swappable genitalia.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
For all children? Oh, they realize all different options that
exist for who they can be, regardless of their body parts.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
You know this completely contradicts the gay lobby. When I's
a public servant, the big, the big message from the
gay community was, Greg, you don't get to choose these things.
You know you're born a certain way, and you know
you don't. You can't pray away the gay, but you
can't do You can't change someone from straight together. These
aren't issues that you can change in somebody. This is

(01:23:17):
you're born with certain attractions and that's just the way
it works. Come to twenty twenty six. It's on its head,
it's all fluid. It could be one way today and
another way tomorrow, and there is no basis, there is
no you know, and that is a complete one hundred
and eighty degree difference in lobbying or messaging that the

(01:23:38):
gay community used to well, used to say versus what
they're saying today.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Yeah, that's what the that's what they want to But
these are children. I mean, will you just leave children alone?

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Let them be kidding, They will.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Figure it out sooner or like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
It's a quick time in life, it comes fast. Just
let them just just let just leave them alone.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Oh I'm with you on that, just the poor kids alone.
But them, that's what I'm saying. How about two plus
two is four?

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Yeah, just get these kids ready and get them reading
at grade level so they can life becomes the adventure.
If they're behind on those things, I don't care how
many of these dolls and interchangeable parts you want to give.
That kids is lost. They've lost their opportunities if they're
not reading at grade level, if they're not progressing and
the things that schools are actually supposed to do. Yeah,
it's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Another transgender story. Because I know you love these you'd
like to be informed, so I kind of constantly throw
them at you. A transgender woman who fled the US,
she ran away right seeking asylum in the Netherlands, now
fears she could be hurt or killed after the notorious
refugee camp she was placed in became so dangerous that

(01:24:46):
the Red Red Cross pulled out all its workers. Yeah,
oh great, Yeah, no, she was putting in a refugee
camp and she's not worried she'll be killed because she's transgender.
No more protection.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
So let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
We don't want to see anyone killed.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
No, But you know what, that reminds me of a
story we haven't even covered today. There was an LGBT
rally parade in Germany that a car came in and
crashed into the participants of the parade and attacked them.
People were killed. It was it was radical Islam. It
was radical. They were hoping it was going to be

(01:25:25):
a white Christian doing all this. They've actually said that
out loud, some of the people. We were hoping that
this was going to be a white Christian nationalist or something,
but it was it was people that subscribe to Islam
and radical obvious version of it. But so that big
tent of there is getting a little awkward underneath it,
just a little because they were supposed to remember the

(01:25:45):
you know, the gay community for the Palestinians and stuff.
They don't really like their their advocacy a whole lot.
I don't know if they got the memo, but it's
not really working out for them. But you know, it's
how the media they're they're doing what they did with
Trump on the assassination that there was a bullet that
shot him, not a person, Well, it's a car that
attacked the gay present or the motivations behind the person

(01:26:08):
that attacked that parade in Berlin, Germany this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
Go figure, Yeah, surprise, surprise, right, all right, another segment
of the Rod and Greg Show coming up as we
wrap up Monday right here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine can arrests. Let's go to Appy now
for a news update.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Welcome back. Final segment of the Rot and Greg Show
on this Monday on Utah's Talk Radio one o five nine,
can rass and everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. I'm citizen
in Hughes, Folks. I don't know if you listened to
the whole show, but a little uh joke I learned
today is Roger, you're so old that when you were
born rainbows were still black and white. You stole that line.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
You did not come up with that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
I said, if you're listening to I learned you didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Come up with that line.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
I didn't. Our guest had another brilliant line, I think.
I think I refer to that and ask you if
you were remember the black and white rainbows in your youth.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
I remember black and white television.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Well, I remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Oh yeah, it was gone by the time you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
No, no, there was color TVs when I was in
the early seventies and and the seventies stuff, but you
had to be rich to have one.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
You didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Everyone had the black and white everyone I knew. I watched.
I watched. I remember mister Rogers on black and white TV.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
I remember our first color TV too, and a big console.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
I remember when VHS this came out. They had son
Sony had Beta, I think it was Beta, and then
you had VHS and and that was like witchcraft. That
was magic.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Remember when you had to get up and turn the channel.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
I remember that. I remember. I remember the first challenge
of remote controls too. I still call them channel changers.
Channel changer. Yes, I didn't ever say the remote. I
always say channel changer. It's remote is a faster word
to say. I say, where's the room, where's the channel changer?

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
You have a challenging do you lose yours a lot?

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
I do? Well, there's cushions on your couch, so they
somehow find the way through. They are always I.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
Think they were designed to hide remotes.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
They are. And then once you get like a speaker bar,
you got two channel changes, you gotta find one for
their TV, one for the speaker bar.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
I don't have a speaker bar. You're your high end.

Speaker 5 (01:28:12):
I just.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Regular TV.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
It messes with me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Really, how many TVs do you have in your home?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
I can't count, but I think we have four.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Oh well that's what we have for one, two, three? Yeah,
and then if you count the laptop or the don iPad,
I could count that as a TV too, because I'll
watch that in my office something.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Yeah. Yeah, I can stream, I would I can stream anything?

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Yeah you can now?

Speaker 5 (01:28:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
So yeah, yeah, I remember black and white television and rainbows.
What's the first TV?

Speaker 5 (01:28:49):
Remember?

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Well, first was mister Rogers. Mister Rogers says me. Street
were my all time favorites.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Did you ever hear of Captain Kangaroo?

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Watch Captain.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
I watched Captain Kangaroo.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Yeah, I watched twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Mister Green Jeans until you're twenty one, Yeah you missed.
You had been twenty one when I was a little
of youngling. But mister Rogers was filmed in Pittsburgh, and
when I was in they used to call it nursery
school because my mom and my grandmother worked and they
raised me. So I went to nursery school as a
three year old, four year old before I went to kindergarten.
And uh, mister mcpheey, speed delivery came to our nursery school.

(01:29:24):
I still remember it to this day.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
It's a big deal, real moment in your life.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
There's I think there's a picture of it too, somewhere
my family history somewhere. Yeah, so that was that was huge.

Speaker 1 (01:29:35):
I can't wait till your your wedding coming up in
less than a month now, old junior, your junior's getting.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Married, punching above it to your family.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Members and am I going to get story?

Speaker 5 (01:29:46):
Eh?

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
Actually we have to think that through.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
Yeah, you're not giving me an invite.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
No, you got you're getting an invite. I don't know
if you I submitted your your address. I'm hoping you
get to you get it, but I have to I
have to see. I don't want to cross pollin eight people.
I to make sure that you know the right people,
meet the right people.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
You know, and you don't want me to meet your
family member.

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
I I'm telling family secrets. And here they don't know that.
You're a hopeless gossip. You're just going to repeat everything
they tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Well, if they tell me anything, I'll repeat.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
That's what they don't know. I know this, they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
So you've learned that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Yeah, hey, before we quit, do you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
Know, by the way, I think we have surpassed our
second year anniversary?

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Nope?

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
When so look, No, we started this week.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
No, we started during the Republican Actions, which was the
fifteenth of July. But our first day was in the
beginning of August. Okay, because I looked it up. Because
we did a first day of school, we did a
second day, first anniversary of school. So the second year
anniversary is coming up. I looked. I took a picture
in front of that screen right there. You did lunch.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
We weren't in these studios, Yes we were.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
We were, Yes, of course we were. I have I
brought my lunchboxmember, I had my lunch. It was my
first day of school. Do you remember this. Yes, yes,
I brought my life buch Bucks and everything. I had
new shoes on, new haircut. I was really excited. It
was the first day of school. Yeah, I was really excited.
By the way, folks, they got to tell you before
we go to the end of the show, you got

(01:31:12):
to get on ext or something. You got to watch.
There's a young man. If it is true that this
kid is sixteen years old, doesn't matter what age this
young man is. There's a lifeguard and he I think
they say this is Santa Cruz the beach there, but
these waves, I mean he's in he is really in
a foot of water. And then the waves that come
over are ten feet waves that crash, and there's a

(01:31:33):
young boy that is unable to get to the shore.
And you can see why you watch this video play out.
So this lifeguard he is walking backwards with this kid
in his arms, and he is being hit by ways.
You can see him go down when the waves are
coming and and men that are bigger than this lifeguard
see him and they come out to try and help
him because he's basically on the beach and the waves
hit these men and they.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Go flying yet knocked over.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
And then and when the water recedes, you see that
he is still hanging on. Yes, they to see yeah,
showing the picture. I love that he's still hanging on
to the boy. He's not letting that kid go. And
they finally create a chain of adults to help get
the lifeguard out, and he's telling them to get out there.
He needs another lifeguard anyway. For all the negative things

(01:32:15):
that go on in the world, for all the things
we say, you know, where's America, This right here is
American grit. This is this kid's a blessing to this
young man he saves. But that is preparation, that is bravery,
and that is self sacrifice personified in that video. I'd
encourage you to watch just because it's inspiring.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
Well, speaking of inspiring, how old was the guy who
beat Scotty Scheffler at the golf tournament this week?

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Twelve?

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
I mean he was very very young, like twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
I was surprised by that. I was surprised he won.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
Yeah, and he came up and beat Scheffler, who right
now I think is still ready to the top golfer
in the world right now, is he not?

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Yeah, no, he was. Scheffler still is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Say this again so you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Can I'm always looking at news. There's more new popping up.
I was just looking at what it was saying.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
The old David Bowie song Earth to Major. Tom Well,
I'm gonna use that called Earth to Major.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Great, We're coming down here. But you know, Fauci Robert
Kennedy saying that Secretary Say says Fauci can be prosecuted
on perjury.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
Pardon Park Biden.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
That just came up. That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Yeah, all right, Uh honest. We'll be back tomorrow. Sorry
about that. Head up, shoulders back. May God bless you
and your family in this great country of our Stay
as cool as you can. Everybody, We'll be back tomorrow
at for Have a good evening.

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