The Rod and Greg Show: Future of the Department of Education

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Have you been bragging about this and showing pictures of
this all day to people? It was a year ago today, man, Yes, sorry,
get how easy you forget today? A year ago today,
we began our joint broadcast live from the Republican National Convention,
New Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
It was kind of the and it was the beginning
of the Rod and Greg Show. And that's kind of
where the dream I would call the dream team. I'm
sure you're doing fine on your own, but you know
I got I got in from Wednesdays and I got
to be here five days. And that started the Milwaukee
Republican National Convention, which you know how our apps they
put up a year ago today, and there was We
interviewed Burgess Owens that day. We interviewed speaker Mike Schultz,

(00:38):
and we also got to talk to the Tower of Terror,
the guy that's nine feet tall. He was he does
his show next to us on that talk show Row.
We got to speak with and spend some time with
Jesse Kelly.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
We also forgot to mention we had Don Junior on
the show.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
We had we had Yeah, in fact, he had that
big scrum. I remember I couldn't get into that scrum.
But he saw me in and he said I'll come
back later, and I thought, yeah, I've got a chance.
But then he came right back.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Here, right back. Can you believe that was a year ago?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
That's it goes very fast. I'm surprised it's a year ago.
I saw those pictures roll up and I thought that
was one year. And think about all that's happened since then.
I I commented that what did that set up a year?
I mean that convention he had been the the Butler
stuff had just happened, and and we didn't know that Biden.

(01:28):
We had rumored that that Biden was going to drop out.
But what a ride since this time last year.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
It had been a fun one, that's for sure. So
kind of a little congratulations, do you know? I think
that what I mean, this wore you out so much
you had to take a week off. Remember I had
planned that we had done the show for a full week,
not a full week. Four days kicking off the show
and then the next week you leave for vacation.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Well I had had that vacation, yeah, and so.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
We were flexible and then brought you back.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
You get a folks, he's pulling it over my head
right now this is called leverage.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
All right, what's happening. We have got a fantastic show
lined up for you today, as we do each and
every day. Coming up, we'll talk about why the Department
of Education failed. It's going to be shut down here
pretty soon. We'll get into that. We'll talk about that,
some ideas for the president to deal with the Epstein mess. Still,
I mean, he went after his supporters again today, basically
telling him Greg back off here.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
I didn't want you bring it up because, like you know,
we tried. We broached this topic on Friday, and I
felt like there's a maybe a broader picture going on,
and I was I think our listeners sent me a
message loud and clear that this is this issue represents
a lot of broader issues that need to be dealt with.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I love the commentary. I learned a lot listening to you,
our listeners, and so when I saw it what Trump wrote,
I thought, oh gee, this is going to go over
like a lead balloon.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
He said it.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
He said basically, you know, move on if you're mad
at me, he says, and I don't want you. Yeah,
that's not that's not nice.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Also, coming up, we're talking about why some Republican senators
are against cutting what nine point four billion dollars from
the federal budget. Apparently parents, apparently they can't come to
grips with that.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
So we've got a lot of today nine point four billion.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
But we start off the show today with a love story.
Do you know what I'm talking about? You don't know
what I'm talking about. It's not between you and me.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Well, I don't know where you're going with this. I
never do.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Barack and Michelle apparently have kissed and made up.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Really yeah, Well, they're still in their sixties. And she
said the reason you don't see them together is because
they're in their sixties. Now you don't. You don't get
to see them together because we're not together.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
She was on her podcast with her brother yes yesterday
and invited.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Her by the way, I would hate to be.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
On that podcast, and then and invited what she called
a very very very special guest the podcast yesterday. It
was her husband, Barack Obama.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
I wonder if he did as he was told. I'm
sure there's man that is one straight. The longer he's
out of office, and the more you know, hubris sets in.
He just has a lot to say, and none of
it's Arry. It's worse than when he was present. I
think the way he talks down to everybody, and then
you listen to her. And I used to think she
was a viable candidate if she wanted to run herself,
because she was a very popular first lady. I've now

(04:23):
realized she's popular because no one heard her speak. Because
when she talks, she has nothing offensive things to say.
If you were one of her children and heard her
talk about being a mother, you'd think it was the
most miserable time of her life, that it was horrible.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
So this, this comment from Barack yesterday on the podcast,
leads to you to think, Okay, what was up? But
he said quote she took me back.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Barry, you might want to rethink that whole take getting
taken back thing? Is that like, I don't know, Stockholm syndrome.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
I call that kind of wild, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (04:57):
All?

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Right?

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Now? The battle over NP we are in PBS. Boy,
are they making a push. I think they have to
decide by Friday whether or not they're going to fund it.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I don't even know what the decision. This is the
easiest thing I've ever seen. Yeah, I mean the NPR
and PBS. They hate every Republican serving in Congress. They
don't like you, they don't like me, they don't They
have a disdain for anyone who does not embrace their worldview.
They don't hide it. It is all they do. Why
would taxpayers that have that don't have a political opinion,

(05:26):
or have various political opinions have to pay for their existence?
It is wrong on every front. And we live in
twenty twenty five where we don't need it.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
But yes, what will the hips in rural America do
without NPR and PBS. I mean, listen to the chairman
of NPR Public Broadcasting as she talks about the need
for it to serve rural.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
America, Catherine Mayor. She thinks there's a very important demographic
to listen to or to consider here.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
But I think that the place where we're seeing the
most traction is senators who are present communities where there
are large rural communities, large tribal communities, in particular in
places like Alaska, where there just isn't a lot of
other options. Broadband service is not universal, and even cell
phone service is not universal. There's a real understanding of
the need there as well as for emergency alerting, in

(06:16):
which public media play is an extraordinarily important role.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
She's out of her mind, like she she is. She's
speaking down to the rural communities because they actually do
have They do have, especially now that they're starlink, But
there is no connectivities.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
They have now in rural America running water.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yes, and electric electricity and toilets. I know it is.
I don't know that. I don't know Catherine Mare is
aware that. But you know, I got some friends in
rural Utah. Okay, I do. I got friends out there. Okay,
I'm a city guy, but I was. I was embraced
by rural Utah. And I got a good old cowboys
rancher out there living in one of these areas that
she thinks he is highly highly dependent upons. Yeah, so

(06:58):
I send him the story, I send him the clip,
and I said, this is news to me. I did
not know that you were you're a rancher out in
the middle of nowhere. I did not know that you
relied so much on NPR and p and PBS. This
is what he said. I can't figure out why we
need a public funded radio station like NPR when we
certainly have PMS, NBC and certainly not neutral CNN, all

(07:20):
the other liberal and all the other Democrat supporting programming.
NPR is the worst because they act like they're reporting
the news, but they are always strongly they always strongly
lean to the left. I wonder why they scream and
throw a fit over public money that they may lose,
yet in the same breath they tell us that they
don't really need the small amount of money they get
from the public treasury. Nothing to hear for rural folks

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on NPR. So this rancher, who would probably know because
he's from a rural community of one that she's talking
about that I don't know that she's ever been in.
He's telling me my sources say, folks that rural Utah
does not need NPR and p PBS. They're not. They're
not hanging on every word of NPR. They're just not
that they're not walking in the walls. Really, if they

(08:03):
don't have their NPR or PBS, imagine that anyway they
actually can see programming and everything else.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Congress better do something. They've gotten until Friday to do
something here. Yeah, if they allow this fund to continue
drives us.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
I don't think she's heard of serious XM the satellite
radio kind.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Of gets I wonder if she knows what a cow is.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, there's a lot going on out there by way
of communication and life that she might not know about.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
All right, We've got a lot to get to today
when we come back. The failure of the Department of Education?
What happened? That's next, and the Wingman Wednesday edition of
the Rotten Greg Show right here on Talk radio one
oh five nine k NRS. She knows how the hol
Maverick was much better looking than Goose. I just want
to bring that up. Just you should know that already. Yes,

(08:50):
all right, welcome, it is the Wingman edition of the show.
The US Supreme Court rule? Just what was it on
the fourteenth in the decision which basically allowed the President
to do whatever he wants with the Department of Education?
That means most likely it's going to be pared down
and pared down big time. So what about the Department
of Education? What about the failure of the Department of Education?

(09:11):
Joining us on any Hour Newsbaker Line to talk about
that right now is Jared Stepman. Jared is a columnist
at The Daily Signal. Jared, how are you welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show. Doing very good.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Thank you. It's good to be on.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
With you, Jared. If you look at the Department of
Education and its history, what happened here? I mean, where
did this go so wrong? May what may have been
an interesting idea years ago?

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, I think it's been really decades long. I think
failure really for the Department of Education. It was supposed
to improve educational outcomes around the country. It was to
create an additional department within the federal government to sort
of centralize a lot of policies and to bring more
dollars to local education. Unfortunately, there's really multiple issues here

(09:58):
with those dollars act. If anything, it actually just simply
increased the cost of education around the country, especially within
higher education, and during that time, a student performance flatlined
in many cases actually droped. So some of the original
point for the Department of Education, which is essentially to

(10:18):
raise education standards around the country, have not come to fruition.
And I think what we have now at this point
where the Department of Education, which sets a lot of
guidelines for local and state schools, unfortunately through its meddling,
has decreased the performance of those schools so now we
have a highly centralized system. There was never supposed to
be so centralized. Education I think is best handled by

(10:41):
states and localities, not the federal government. But that's not
the situation as the Department of Education created.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
You know, you're so right, and I think that for
Utahon's we have felt this particularly. I mean, there's this
leftist agenda that you're supposed to subscribe to, or you
could your federal funding for education could be threatened. But
if you go back as far as George W. Bush,
No Child Left Behind and its federal mandates simply could
not be could not be adhered to in our rural
communities in Utah, we didn't have the teachers that they

(11:09):
said the way you had to have certain certifications. So
we've seen, whether it was No Child Left Behind race
at the top with Obama or even in the climate today,
this federalized approach to public education has never worked. So
I guess my question is, well, then, what do you
do you anticipate that the money we've spent on for
the Department of Education would be block granted back to
states to address our needs in education.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
That would that certainly has been put on the table.
I think that would be an improvement. And I think
what you said about no child left behind. These other
federal policies, even ones again as you were talking about,
had good intentions at the time, didn't weren't in alignment
with local and state needs. I think that's the problem
whenever you have a federal policy like this, especially something

(11:55):
that is as complicated as education. And I think what
we've seen too is of course a lot of manipulation
at the federal level too, especially during the Biden administration,
which manipulated a specifically Title nine Rule of Rules to
change the definition of sex and gender identity to try
to force essentially, for instance, transgenders in sports, in female sports,

(12:21):
which I think was very much a very much misguided
policy there was again it was forced on states and schools,
and that's the kind of social engineering that's the very
toxic time. But really, I think across the board, but
the even policies I think are designed to improve student
achievement have oftentimes backfired. And I think this is just
a step in the right direction to downsize and hopefully

(12:43):
eventually maybe even eliminate department, which of course require an
Act of Congress. But I think that's a huge step
in the right direction for again a department that I
think was ill conceived from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
We're talking with Jared Stepman. He is a columnist of
the Daily Signal. With this downsizing taking place, you're most
likely to take place here. Where does this leave the
Teachers Union, which are very, very powerful, Where does this
leave them?

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Well, you can imagine they're not They're not taking this
well at all.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Very we call that positive social proofing, by.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
The way, that's positive.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yeah, it's interesting, especially Anya had basically a conniption of
following the Supreme Court decision about what happened there at
the Department of Education. Of course, these teachers Unians are
not really for I think, a good education for young Americas.
It's really a block interest group rather than dealing specifically
with education and so, uh the fact that they're they're

(13:41):
streaming and howling about this is generally a positive sign.
They've oftentimes been a major roadblock to any real positive
reforms in states and have not prioritized students and teachers
in many cases. Uh, So I think that that's it's
a good sign that the teachers giens are very angry
about these changes that have at the Department of Education,

(14:01):
and I think it shows that things are going in
the right direction. After a lot of promises for a
lot of generations the department would be shut down. I
think we're seeing some very real steps to doing just
that during Trust's presidency.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Where's what's the prospects of parental choice in education, school choice,
backpack funding? Where do you see that going for parents
students going forward? With the changes in the Department of Education.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
I think it's now a steamroller that just continues to go.
I think, especially during COVID nineteen lockdowns, I think there
was a real revolution in how Americans saw education as
an issue. I think they saw a lot of failure,
especially at a lot of public schools, where school discipline
oftentimes broke down, where you had a lot of bad

(14:51):
teaching and ideological and doctrination classrooms, and a lot of
people started to consider maybe pulling their children out of schools,
either homeschooling or sending them to a private or charter school,
or any other kind of options. And now we see
a huge number of states now passing school choice legislation.
There was even some at the federal level in the
Big Beautiful Bill adding additional basically school choice bouchers to

(15:15):
that bill. So I think that the ball is very
much enrolling after they were sort of slow progress initially.
It's interesting that I think that. Again, going back to
the teachers unions, I think that they really blew the
argument against it in the last four or five years
because so many parents saw what was happening, and we're
so upset by these schools that they're now looking for

(15:36):
other options and they.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Have a right to. Jared is always great chatting with
you to thank you, enjoy the rest of the day.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Thank you so much, you too.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
The name of the article is the failure of the
Department of Education. Jared Stepman from the Daily Signal and
our own Burgess Owens had a lot to do with
the school choice issues and policies that have been implemented
in the one big beautiful bill.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeahs right, and he's very excited. I spoke with him
offline and he worked very hard. He had a better,
a better version that came out of the House. The
Senate took some of that out, but but it's it's
still he's very excited and it does keep his As
was mentioned, the ball rolling.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, all right, we've got a lot more to come
here on the Rod and Gregg Show, The Wingman Wednesday
edition here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine.
When we come back, we'll be talking about what the
president his options when it comes to dealing with the
Epstein mess. I don't know where to put this Epstein
story because we've talked about it Greg there. You know,
many of our listeners think it's still a very important
issue and they want some answers. The President, though today

(16:31):
tried again I think, to brush it off. Didn't he
and say enough's enough?

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Here he did. He is calling it a scam. He
is saying that the Democrats can't do anything good, but
they can always tear The one thing they try to
do all the time is tear things down, tear people down,
but that they unite. That's the one thing they do
while Republicans don't. Anyway, He says that Jeffrey Epstein hoax
and my pass up is what he's calling it. And

(16:56):
he says, my past supporters have brought have bought into
this BS hook line. Hint sinker, they've learned their lesson,
and it probably never will. They haven't learned their lesson,
They probably never will. After being conned by the lunatic
left for eight long years. I've had more success in
six months than perhaps any president in our country's history.
And all these people wanted to talk about with strong

(17:16):
prodding from the fake news and from the uh success
starved Democrats is the Jeffrey Epstein hoax. Let these weaklings
continue forward and do the Democrats work. Don't even think
about talking about our credit incredible and unprecedented success because
I don't want their support anymore. Thank you for your
attention to this matter. Make America great again.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
So is he blowing off some of his MAGA supporters
out there? I think that statement what's doing.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
I think is for those that are saying I'm I'm
mad at Trump and I'm not going to vote for
him again. I think he's giving them the space to say, well,
then don't because I'm not going to run again. But now,
if you don't like me, then you don't like me.
But I'm not gonna I've got We've got a lot
of good things we're doing, and the Democrats are using
you to distract from all the good work we're doing.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Well, let's get our next guest take on all of this,
joining us on our any hour Newsmaker line right now
is Scott Pinsker. He is a public relations and crisis
communication expert, also a contributor to pg PJ Media. Scott,
how are you welcome back to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Hey, delighted to be back with you guys.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Scott, let me ask you this, what's your take on
this right now? What the comments of the president today
on this where this thing may or may not be going?
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, I've got a lot of them, man, I kind
of break it down along two lines. You got the
factual information, what the hell happened and what didn't happen?
Are we talking about a blackmail scheme involving for an
espionage Are we talking about really dark, horrible, terrible things
that just make your skin crawl? Or are we talking

(18:47):
about something that's been overhyped and over sould to the
American people? Because it's a lot of fun for conspiratorially
minded folks to try to hype it up and get
people all agitated. But in a big way, it really
doesn't matter, because the issue is that we have to
deal with the tactical aftermath. We've got a problem on
our hand. Whatever the facts may be, if we have

(19:08):
the objective of getting this in the rear view mirror
so we can march forward with the MAGA agenda. We
can't have this ripping us apart, and we need to
change what we're doing asap, and we are quickly running
out of time.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
You know, I would agree with you. I was of
the mindset of all the things that are happening and
all the things that the President and this administration has
accomplished that this was. You know, it's nothing that we'd like.
We don't want to see it happen. We want to
protect children. I was arguing Friday that we should be
looking more broadly at the three hundred thousand kids on
accompanied minors that have come across this border that we

(19:42):
need to find, and ten thousand, I guess have been found,
but you don't see it in the press. There's a
lot of examples, but boy, are callers called and said,
you're missing the boat. This is a tip of the iceberg.
Is this has been an ongoing the elite get away
with everything. We suffer the consequences when we do wrong,
and we don't want to take it anymore. And so really,

(20:02):
I got to tell you Scott. We have listeners on
this show that think that there is something much greater
than just Epstein himself that we're talking about when all
of these crimes have been where there doesn't seem to
be accountability. How do we put a bow on this?
How do we close the loop? Because you said we
have to perceptions reality.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Oh, definitely, definitely, And then you know, I know it's
a hot issue for me personally. I'd rather talk about
pretty much anything other than Jeffrey Epstein. But it doesn't
matter what I think, It doesn't matter what you think,
it doesn't matter what your neighbor thinks. If the American
people make it an issue, it's an issue. That's the
form of government that we're in. And if it closely

(20:44):
divided contrete, a marginal loss of Republican support will mean
that we'll lose forty seats in the House, and that
means about another year and a half that Democrats will
take over. The final two years of Trump's term will
be mired in subpoena's, peachment trials, fogus show trials, all
of that, and we're not going to be able to

(21:05):
get anything functionally done from the legislative point of view
to all be executive order. So we've got to get
this behind us. It doesn't matter if we think it's
a non issue. It doesn't matter if it actually is
a non issue. The bottom line is the American people,
and not of them have made it important. And if
Trump doesn't change his tactics for it, You're going to
end up losing too many people to be competitive in

(21:26):
the midterms. We're already going to be going against the
historic tide where you know, the incumbent party as always
takes it on the chin.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Scott, you're into crisis management. You mentioned President Trump in
your what would you if you had a chance to
talk to him about this right now? What would you
recommend he do?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
We have three options on the table, and there are
few variants of each three. You can break it down further,
but really there are three ways you can handle it.
Tactic number one is what Trump is currently doing. He's
going to try to flood the zone. He's going to
try to make more has come out there. He's going
to try to just push it away just by volume.
If you throw enough stuff at the wall, eventually something

(22:05):
will hang on and it might not take twenty four hours.
It might not take a week, it might take maybe
even a month, but eventually he'll get there. Eventually everything
will eventually become old news. And it looks like that's
the tactic that Trump is gravitating to. And I think
it's because overall that strategy has been really good to him,
flooding the zone, putting out news, Knowing that the Democrats

(22:29):
are like a dog chasing a two toy, They're going
to overreact to everything. It's pretty easy to puppeteer them around,
and I think he's trying to do that again. But
the trouble this time is that we're dealing with our
own side. We're not taking a rubber two toy throwing
watching your dogs overreact. We're watching our own bank say
that we don't want to do this anymore.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Interesting. Scott has always love your insight on that. It's
appreciate it. Let's see what happens. He'll be interesting. Thank you, Scott,
My pleasure, all right, joining us on our any hour
news waker line. Scott Pinsker, He's with j PJ Media,
also a crisis communication expert, talking about the Epstein. This
will eventually blow over. I'm I'm thinking the president hope

(23:10):
it just kind of fades away. I don't know if
some of his strongest supporters out there will allow it
to happen.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Greg, I don't I think that there. I think is
going to be Yeah, I think this doesn't go away.
I last this time last week, I would have told
you I think this is a really really important issue,
But in the grand scheme of everything going on, I
would not have I would not have said Ebstein or bust.
But I've now come to the conclusion that it's this
Ebstein issue is really a larger issue. Yeah, that I

(23:36):
think the American people are just done being told no
that you can't get you can't see justice, we can't
have transparency. And I think it's a much deeper than
I gave it credit for last week.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
All Right, A lot more to come. It is the
Wingman Wednesday edition of the Rod and Greg Show right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k
n RS. No big surprise here, but Joe Biden's work
husband has taken the fifth Greg Us a shock before
the House Oversight Committee looking into who actually was running
this country during the last couple of years with Joe

(24:08):
Biden's cognitive decline. No big surprise, but Anthony Burnell, former
chief of staff for Joe Biden, repeatedly invoked the Fifth
Amendment in a closed door deposition before the House Oversight
Committee today. Longtime advisor to the family refused to answer
Lawmason's questions during this interview. So, so why are we
even doing this? We know nobody's gonna answer any of

(24:30):
these questions.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
It is true. I mean they're gonna. I mean, yeah,
they're not gonna. They're not gonna answer it. They're gonna.
But they're the irony of it all. And we we've
probably talked about it. But when when Trump was leaving
office after his first term, all the all the pardons
that he was considering, you had guys like that Kinzinger
guy and all these Democrats that would say, I only
know one type of person that wants to plead the

(24:53):
Fifth or needs a pardon, and that's people that are guilty.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
They've they had a lot of lip service for the
Fifth Amendment and for pardons, and they all are receiving them.
Kinziger got one himself. Now they're pleading the Fifth Amendments
so they don't have to incriminate themselves. It's it's Look,
I had no idea that the auto pen could just
unilaterally make its own decisions and that, you know, third

(25:17):
hand information from a White House staff could actually get
you an autopen pardon. I just it is. Just if
it wasn't so sad it it'd be comical. But that's
exactly what we have. We have that autopen saying signing
away on things that the President knew nothing about. He
could say, I authorized it in bulk. Oh, in bulk.
Go figure you didn't know the individuals. No, I just

(25:39):
said it could be done. I fully knew, And I said, yeah,
take the phone book and pardon them all. Yeah, that's
what he said.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
All right, We've got a new controversy developing, just developing tonight,
some breaking news tonight for the Democrats to two on
Donald Trump about you know they have Epstein files right
now they're going out.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, they never touched them on their watch ever, and
now they're all outraged.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
But here's a new one. Maureen Komy, the daughter of
former FBI Director James Comy, fired today from her job
as a prosecutor in the Manhattan US Attorney's office. That's
according to two people who have knowledge of this. The
reason for her firing not immediately disclosed. Surprise, surprise, She
did not immediately respond to calls. But apparently she's worked

(26:24):
in that office for nearly a decade, prosecuting Jeffrey Epstein
and his associate, uh Gasleen Maxwell. But she has been
fired today. Oh they'll give it. Well, they'll be chewing
on that one. I love this one. Yeah, go ahead
and have fun.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
She is she had. I mean that whole family has
no credibility there, Cuckoo for Coco, Pops, all of them.
I can't believe it took this long. I didn't know
there was a comy running around the d right now. Well,
she's working with Alvin Wesson's name there in the Southern district.
Give me a break. Yeah, no, terrible, terrible. You know
what I would say here? You know why you're being fired?
Your name is co Me Okay, beginning, middle and end,

(27:03):
case closed, Goodbye. There's a there's a show that Entourage
where Ari Fleischer comes in with the paintball gun when
he when he buys the other agency. I would do
the same in that office.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Just gives them more, just gives them more meat to
chew on, and they'll they'll eat this one up. You
know they're going to get on this one.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well, if you can defend a murdering illegal alien, you
can defend her too. I mean, that's that's easy. That's
the for them to, you know, call her victim to.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
One other thing. You know, it was about well, it's
about six months and ago, now, Greg, they had those
horrible fires in southern California. Yeah, people down there are ticked.
Nothing has been done six months. You remember that row
of homes along the Pacific Coast Highway right on the beach.
Nothing has happened.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
You know what I think is happened.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
We predicted this, We said, what, there'll never be a
nice home built in that area again.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
And you know why the money class can't get anything
done because they did the calculation, and they thought they'll
vote against us if we've taken too long. We're already
at Kenanovo. If they never live here, they can't vote
against us, so they kept there, keeping them homeless. They've
just wiped out an entire voting block. And then everybody
else won't care about the rich people that are homeless.
So that whole place is going to go stay empty

(28:15):
until they put affordable housing in its place.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
And it will all be eco friendly. Yeah, that would
be an eco friendly community, just what California wants. Yep.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
All those people are not they're not getting their houses back.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
And we predicted this. We predicted this, We said with
the mind the state of California right now, Gavin Newsom,
Karen Bass, No, not gonna let it happen.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
If they came to their houses back, they could vote again,
and they're gonna.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Then they bow them out. Yeah, they don't want to.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
They're never getting those backs.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
All right, We've got another hour. They're Rod and Greg
show here on Wingman Wednesday, coming Down and Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine k n RS. Wingman Wednesday
in Utah's Talk Radio one o five nine k and r.

(29:05):
As great to be with you this afternoon. I'm Rod, ourcat,
I'm citizen Greg Hughes. What an interesting spectacle in the
nation's capital today, Greg, Yes, Zuran Mumdani for a fundraiser,
goes to Washington. Originally scheduled to have a meeting with
the Democrats at the Capitol Building, all of a sudden

(29:25):
that was canceled and moved to a restaurant where they
all gathered to hear from what he had to say.
They even closed the paper door. Does this remind you
of an election? They papered over the windows so the
press couldn't see into the room where he was speaking,
and then they wanted to get a comment from him.
He got out the back door and took off before
any members of the press could talk to him. So

(29:47):
are they Lowan Barrett? What's going on here?

Speaker 2 (29:50):
If you're running a campaign, I think you want to
be seen. I think you want to be silly merlentum.
I think you're putting the butcher paper over the windows
so no one can see inside, not letting anyone out
ask him a question. And then I guess they must
have had Geiger counters or whatever, because I think the
man's a spent fuel run. I think all the Democrats
ran for the hills literally when he got into town
and did not want to be seen with him. I

(30:11):
think they might have even pretended they liked him out
of peer pressure. But when he came into town and
said let's all chum me up together and gum up
for the big photo op, they said, get me out
of here, and they ran. Even the governor of New
York is saying that she's going to work to try
and get him defeated. I think that's what I read,
that she's playing a counselor in chief or something like that,

(30:31):
because people are so panicked, you know they are when
they didn't like Andrew Cromo at all and then they went,
wait a minute, what was the alternative? And now the
guy is like, I guess he's tied in a four
person race with old Zohann or whatever his name is.
I just think, I know this is probably wrong, but
I want him to win.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
I do in a way, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
I kind of want him and all of his lunatic
ideas to be fleshed out so people can see how
apps the insane it is. Everything sounds good in theory,
and if if it's socialism or communism with a smile,
people get drawn into that. But go watch what happens
when you when you demonize your law enforcement, when you
try to have the government owns gross and you want

(31:16):
to do rent control and fixed rent, and see how
that works for you. Every single one of these communist
socialist you know, public policy agenda items has failed so
unbelievably miserably bad that they almost need it, they need
to see it. That's what we lived through with Biden.
I mean, that's how we know that Biden was crazy,
is that he got to do all the things that

(31:37):
you know, the loonies and on the left one of
them to do.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
Well.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Just think about this for a second, Greg, Let this
sink in for just a minute. If Mom Downny wins,
when's the election this November? Must be yes, yeah, okay,
in the municipal elections. If he wins, the mayors of
our three largest cities in America will be run by
a socialist or communists New York City, Los Angeles, and Chicago.

(32:03):
Let that, I mean, let that just let it sink
in for a little bit as to where the Democratic
Party is taking the urban, large urban centers of America,
taking them on the road to socialism, Marxism, communism, whatever
you want to call it. That's where we're headed.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Is it? Minneapolis? Minnesota? Have you seen the lages coming out?

Speaker 4 (32:23):
There?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Is the guy that once runs from some he's born
here smally, but he says that small us his home,
even though he's born here. Someone had a video of
when the day that the Mall of America opened, which
was in the nineteen ninety two which I thought opened
earlier than that, and they showed a video of all
the people that were there. Now they show Minneapolis. It
is a completely different demographic of people. The place is different,

(32:45):
the smalllies, the refugees that were brought in that they're
they're living there now. The whole place is different than
it was just in nineteen ninety two. Well, how do
you say this Infidada? What is it? Globalize THEA? Okay,
this is an anti zion slogan. It means that, you know,
wipe out, you know Israel. He has been asked, this

(33:07):
Zohan guy, he has been asked multiple times if he
would if he supports that, and he won't answer the
question yes or no. He just hits the music runs off.
I think it's why he's hiding in d CS. He
knows now that everyone knows, he won't answer it. They
want to ask that question. Well, my son, he lived
in New York City for two years and the president,
I mean, he grew up in Utah, so he didn't

(33:27):
see Hasidic Jews, he didn't see Orthodox Jews. He didn't
see the Jewish community as strong as he saw. For
two years when he lived in the different boroughs in
New York City. It is a large, large population of people.
So to have someone that is a pro Hamas Palestinian,
you know, wipe the Zionist, anti Zionist, wipe Israel off

(33:48):
of the map type of Canada to be the mayor
of New York City. I mean there's no, it's not
a small constituency of people that will take that very personally, okay.
I mean I don't like it. I'm not Jewish. There's
people that this is hitting them right between the eyes.
I mean, I can't believe they're getting away with it.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Well. And he offended the Italian American community in New York,
which is very large, by flipping the bird at a
statue of Christopher Columbus. You don't do that. Here's the thought.
Donald Trump was an outsider, okay, and came in and
has done a tremendous job as president and for the
Republican Party. Is Mam Donnie the new Donald Trump for

(34:28):
the Democratic Party? Just think about this taking him down
to this path, leading him to a social Democrat or
a Democrat socialist, you know, a Bernie Sanders. But he
is a is he a younger version of Bernie Sanders,
who along with AOC and all the other nut jobs
out there and leading the Democratic Party in a completely

(34:49):
different direction.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I'm trying to think of its equivalent.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Is there some equivalency there?

Speaker 2 (34:54):
The equivalent to me would be if I could think
of like something that has a very cheap, knockoff brand.
Because this guy was raised by multimillionaires. He went to
the most expensive private schools. His father is a professor
of Columbia's mother produces Hollywood Bollywood movies, these movies in
India that are very famous and popular. He's grown up.

(35:15):
He never had a job until he got elected into
the Assembly and the state legislature in New York. He
has lived a life, if you use the vernacular of
the left, a privileged life, like ninety nine point nine
percent of Americans never have or will. Okay, this guy
is as elite as you get, and he gets to

(35:35):
rip on billionaires and rip on and act like he's
one of the one of the you know, the everyday people.
He is such a knockoff. He's such a phony, and
he's not very I mean, he's only been an American citizen,
I think, for seven years he's he's so new on
the scene. At least Donald Trump had this, you know,
in the eighties, he had the Art of the Deal book.
I mean, I mean this guy had. He had Atlantic City,

(35:57):
he was putting on the fight like Tyson fights. He had,
he owned the New Jersey Generals in the usfl He was,
he had the apprentice. I mean he he was on
the radar of America for some time in different capacities
where you felt like you at least knew that who
this He was on a home alone in the movie.
So but this guy, this guy parachutes in. He has
the most nauseating biography you've ever read about a kid

(36:21):
growing up and all the you know, all the angst
and all the outrage for a kid that's never known
a tough day. The softest guy you're ever going to meet.
I just think he's a mockery.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
But look at how desperate the Democratic Party is right now.
They are desperate. They are so desperate they're going to
go with this guy, who, like you said, free groceries,
free bus rides, free everything. They're so desperate. There's no
one else out there who they want to cling onto
except this guy. And the real heart of the Republican

(36:51):
the Democratic Party. I wonder, I wonder about Democrats here
in Utah if they want to go along with this guy,
or if they're going to have the courage to say
we're in touch in this guy. He is toxic, but
there are Democrats who believe he's the future of the party.
This is where they want the party and the country
to go to socialism. Government takes care of you on
every step of the way.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
It's true. And then where they might not subscribe to that.
What the Democrats are very good at doing is taking
the talking points and running with them because they've been
convinced that no matter how bad our guy is, the
Republicans are always worse. So they'll go with their person,
even if it's someone that would ruin their life. They
just they've been programmed to believe that the Republican is
worse than that, so they'll just they can stay unified.

(37:33):
I saw somewhere where someone was complaining about people that
like Donald Trump that they're like it's like a cult.
Look at how much pushback he's getting on Epstein. Look
how he doesn't talk about the vaccine anymore. He used
to try and brag about operation warp speed. That doesn't
come up in speeches because his supporters don't like that.
They don't like the Epstein decisions he's making. So there
is an independence with those that support Trump on the

(37:55):
Democrat side. The leftists, Man, it is, obey it is,
here's what you're going to say, here's what you're gonna do.
They haven't had an open primary and what eight eight
years or something. They they they are just instructed on
how to think, act and vote and that's what they do.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah. Interesting, all right, We've got a lot more to
say on this and how do Democrats look when it
comes to the mid terms next year. There's some new
polling information out there that will shock you about this
that's coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs. In this
effort to make America healthy again, see what he announce? No, yeah,

(38:31):
I haven't seen this. President Trump said today that Coca Cola,
that's right, has agreed to use real cane sugar in
its US beverages, which currently are made with high fruit
dose corn syrup.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
And what Yeah, And I don't know if that a
bell's ring in everyone's head, but everybody likes Coca Cola
that's made in Mexico because they use the sugar cane,
they don't use the glucose or whatever. So everybody when
they want the best tasting coke, they always want that
mex the coke from Mexico. We're gonna get Mexican coke
here in the United States.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
I don't know if I've ever had one. I'm trying.
I imagine, imagine years ago, growing up as a kid,
that's what I was drinking. Yeah, right, when you talk,
we were.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
But I've been to Mexico and I've made it a
point to have a Coca Cola there because I knew
that they had that good Okay, yeah, that's great taste. Great, Yeah,
I might. I might just gain fifty pounds just eat, drink,
eating all the sugar. Now, I don't know. I'm now
in I'm on the on the fence because I used
to think everything sugar free was better for me. Now
what makes it sugar free might be.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
That high fruito syrup worse, which I'm told is not
very good for you.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
You know. I like that. I actually like the taste
of dye coke more than the taste of regular coke.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Well maybe not now under the real sugar.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Well, now you get the real sugar.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Well, see the President said this, he said, I've been
speaking to Coca Cola about using real King sugar in
coke in the United States, and they have agreed to
do so. I'd like to thank all of those in
authority at Coca Cola. This will be a very good
move by them. You'll see, it just gets better.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Do you know? How do you know? Do you know how?
How I started drinking Coca Cola. I was in Papua
New Guinea, in a little town called Rebel. It's a
it's a third world country, as a missionary, and you
couldn't drink the water.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
So he had drink.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
So he had to drink. And they had a bottle.
They had a Coca Cola if all the things, they
had a Coca Cola bottling company there in this in
this really in this jungle, in this rebel, in this
third world country, and so they had the little bottles
of coke. And I remember I had I had spent
twenty years of my life never drinking Coca Cola. And
then I remember having top ramen noodles with coca with

(40:30):
Bully beef, you know, uh and uh, and then I
had to drink Coca cola and I remember tasting it
the first time, going, this is going to be a
living hell here. I don't like this at all. This
tastes disgusting. Seven months later I was, I loved it.
I would I will never touch water. I would never
get near water after I had that much.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Remember the little a dounce bottle so you could get well,
these were you know what you do with them? What's
very good with it? What were in a bag of
peanuts in it?

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Really?

Speaker 1 (40:59):
He had done that? No, yeah, your poorn a bag
of penis. It's kind of like salty coke and peanuts.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Get out, get out. But that that's where I acquired
my my taste and for coke, in a jungle town
called Papua New Guinea.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
All right, let's talk more about the Democrats. The Democrats.
Of course, we've got the midterm elections coming up about
a year and a half from now. Yeah, if you
think about it, less than a year and a half.
As a matter of.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Man, if these Republicans can just keep their courage and
not be scared cowardly lions, then you're going to do
just fine, but man, they're gonna be it's gonna be hard.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
But if you look at history generally in the mid term,
you know, the the party that's out of power gained seats.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yes, well, of.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Course, apparently now you know Harry Inton from CNN is
back on our good side.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, he broke our hearts.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
He broke our hearts the other day the.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Other people being mad at number immigration.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Yeah, but he basically broke down some troubling signs for
the Democratic Party today ahead of the twenty twenty mid
term elections. Here's what he said this morning on CNN.

Speaker 7 (42:04):
The bottom line is this, Democrats are behind. They're two
thousand and six and twenty eighteen paces when it comes
to the generic congressional ballot.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
What are we talking about here, all right?

Speaker 7 (42:14):
The Democrats versus the Republicans on the generic congressional ballot,
the margins. Look at where we are now. Democrats are ahead,
but by just two points. Look at where Democrats were
already head by in twenty seventeen. They were behind by
seven points about two thousand and five on the Jeniic
congressional ballot, behind excuse me, ahead by seven points, ahead
by seven points.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
And now They're only ahead by two points.

Speaker 7 (42:33):
Their lead is less than half, less than half of
where it was in either twenty seventeen or two thousand
and five, in July of those years, the year before
the midterm election. Yes, Donald Trump may be unpopular, but
Democrats have not come anywhere close to sealing the deal
at this particular point.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Can you imagine Greg being a Democratic candidate for Congress,
running maybe for the first time, seeking a midterm victory, right,
and having to defend mum dunni.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
That's why I kind of love the way. Can you
see that You'll be carefully asked for all these if
AOC and Bernie want this guy. Okay, let's see it.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Well, this was this was a generic vote. Then he
asked him about the various districts, because coming up in
two years or in twenty six, we'll have four hundred
and thirty five elections in the US House. How do
they do in the various districts? Here again is Harry,
what happens when you go race by race?

Speaker 7 (43:25):
What happens when you go race by race? Well, it's
the same idea. Okay, howse seat ratings with a GOP
president like back in two thousand and five, and of
course twenty seventeen more net pickup seat chances. Well, last
time around, look at that Democrats were head by thirty
three seats. How about two thousand and five, Democrats were
head by seven seats.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
What's going on right now?

Speaker 7 (43:43):
It's actually Republicans, Actually Republicans with more net picked up
chances at plus twelve according to the Cook Political Report,
when you add in the likelys, the leans, and the
toss up races. So it's not just on the generic
ballot where Democrats are behind their twenty seventeen in two
thousand and five pace, it's actually when it comes seat
by seat, you see that at least at this particular point,

(44:03):
Republicans actually have more net pickup opportunities. This doesn't look
anything like those wave elections back in two thousand and
six or two thousand and eight.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I tell you, I tell you what, Greg, If Republicans
pick up additional seats in twenty twenty six, it will
be historic.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I really believe that with the way the Democrats are rudderless,
the way that their leaders are are are just patently
against the common sense, everyday American, I think it would
almost be shocking for them to gain seats right now
if the only way they can, in my mind, is
for the Republicans to absolutely blow it Tom somehow make
people upset enough that they would go to the lunacy

(44:41):
over people there are just too afraid to actually make decisions.
And that's and Republicans are capable of that. But I'm
looking at a Democrat party approval poll from what's it
called Quinnepiac.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Quinnipeec is New York.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Favorable ratings for Democrats right now. This is not the
same poll that we just I heard Harry mentioned nineteen
percent approval rate for Democrats absolute seventy two unfavorable. Man,
I I've been in a few campaigns and elections. I was,
I worked on other people's campaigns and elections. Those aren't

(45:15):
percentages of winning campaigns. I'm just telling you. I know
we're early, I know it's twenty twenty five, but man,
there is a lot of ground to make up. And
I still, as we've always said, I don't hear a
semblance of common sense. They even Gavin Newsom, that's that's
your guy, going to South Carolina to ramp up his
presidential race. Have you seen California? And maybe he thinks

(45:38):
all the Californians are in South Carolina now they recognize him.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
And he mentioned on a podcast yesterday why people like
Joe Rogan and Donald Trump authenticity. Gavin Newsom doesn't have
a shred of authenticity in his box, does not well,
he does not know. All right, We've got a lot
more get to get to on this Wingman Wednesday, the
Rod and Greg Show on Talk Radio one oh five
nine kN ars.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
We're supposed to golf so much more. You just you know,
we haven't called out, Yeah, bailed out because you're a
pickleball freak. That's why it's like ping pong, bit bigger.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
No, real quick. It's because you want to play on
the boringest courses in you too. We have some great
courses here. When you play on it's just no, that is.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
A great course.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
It is boring.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
It's the best course.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
All right, let's get let's go on our talkback line,
our callers right now, we're a listener and see what
they have to say this issue. And you know we're
to it's a tough one to make a call on.
When it comes to Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
I don't know how you could live through Friday Show
and say that anymore. I I felt I felt scalded
enough and yelled Empire good listeners enough that I am.
I am on board with our listeners. I take the
listener's side on this, and I didn't before. I was
kind of thinking it was hyper focused. But no, I
I caught it.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Okay, okay, I agree with you to a certain extent.
I think I think it was Frank who made that.
He says, you need to understand Epstein is the tip
of the iceberg. Yes, and so much brewing, so much
wrongdoing has been going on, these conspiracies, everything else for
so long, and no one is ever held accountable. And
I think a lot of people out there felt when

(47:13):
Donald Trump gets into the White House and he has
a good cabinet, which I believe he does now questions
about Pam Bondy, but a lot of people just simply
felt we would finally get to the bottom of all
of this and there would be some accountability. John Solomon,
who we had on the other day, saying, the FBI
is taking a look at this conspiracy that may exist

(47:36):
within the legal community to do everything they can to
stop Donald Trump and let Democrats get away with everything,
and from Hillary Clinton to Comby to you name it,
to this point they have and they're frustrated. I get that.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Yes, somebody threw out a concept to me, and again
without any without any transparency or knowledge, you don't know
what's right or wrong. But the high pathetical that was
presented to me was, you have a lot of people
that are critical and they want to see the list.
But what if, upon further investigation, you found that that
list did not incriminate anyone that's in office now, the

(48:11):
president or anyone else but the intel the people say
I'm acron, that's been there, or others. There might be
enough people that would be embarrassed or ashamed by it
that it has given a leverage internationally and diplomatically. Maybe
it's had a greater influence with the president with NATO
because of what they have been able to, you know,

(48:32):
because you know these honeypots, these whether they are country
is an ally or not, they also everybody spy on
on each other. The United States is spying on its allies,
the allies are spying on us. You know, it's a
dirty game. And someone said, what if some of that
information is just being used as successful leverage against some
of these countries to get on board with the United

(48:53):
States and what Trump wants. It's a nice hypothetical. It
sounds like, Okay, that could be a reason. But when
you don't know, I just I think that trans I
think transparency is what you need. And even if you
had some the goods on them and it gets got
you what you wanted, I think this thing has gotten
too big. And it's to your point and to our
listener's point, it's it represents a much broader issue about

(49:17):
these elites, these democrats, to get away with everything.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Well, let me ask you this question, Greig. What if
Trump says, Okay, I'm just going to release everything you're
asking for it. I'm just going to give you everything. Yeah,
Maggie is happy. Maybe what if there's nothing in My
question is what if there is nothing in it? Will
Magga go okay, at least you release the.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Report and they'll say that if there's nothing in there,
then you didn't release at all. If there's not something,
If there's.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Not even if Donald Trump's people they were releasing it,
there's that much much suspicion among Trump supporters that they
still won't accept there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
There look, I have heard people's question the integrity or
the truthfulness of Dan. Now, there's a lot of things
you can criticize Dan Bongino for, and sometimes he wears
thin on me, just because you know, the tough guys
look me of all people, but the tough guy stuff
sometimes wears thin on me. I think he was making
a very good living being an influencer. He's serving his country,
and I think it's a high sacrifice for him, and

(50:16):
I suspect he's looking for a reason to go back
to Florida.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
I would use it.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
I think, well, if you believe last week's stories, he
was not going to be called a liar or that
he was telling something. He'd sooner go back to Florida
than be told that he's hiding something because he's I
think he is a truly a man of conviction. I mean,
Jesse Kelly said way back in May without any information, saying,
the day that my friend Dan Bongino leaves, and we're
in trouble, because that guy is the real deal. If

(50:41):
he decides I can't If he leaves, it means it
can't be fixed. And that was Jesse Kelly's hypothetical months
and months and months ago. But if we're if there
are people willing to call into question his integrity, then yes.
If there's not something big and bombshell like coming out
of that Ebstein file, then it hasn't been released. And
I would just say this. Trump supporters are those that
are now frustrated with him and certainly don't like what

(51:04):
he said this morning that if you don't, if you're
mad at him, stay mad, because he's not gonna bend.
He's gonna do He's gonna keep working on things that
is him. If it's not like members of Congress, you
can scare into your position. You can make it so
bad you will not you need to. If you say
I will never support Trump, I will burn my Trump flag.
I'm never going to talk about him again. Get ready

(51:25):
to do that, because he will not bend to that
kind of clamor you want it. He's not wired that way.
So mean it if you say it, because you could
say you could bluff a lot of people in Washington
that way, but you're not going to get him.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Well, let's listen to what this one listener has to
say on our talk back line.

Speaker 8 (51:42):
Hey, you're Rod and Greg.

Speaker 6 (51:44):
I think another issue on this Epstein uh debacle is
the fact that I've been sticking up for Trump for
I don't know twelve years, I guess probably, and fighting
my friends, my liberal friends and left right and left. Well,
their people are getting off scot free for everything they do,

(52:06):
and we're sick and tired of it. And that's what
we thought Trump was helping us fix.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
He says that they're sick and tired of people getting
away with anything, and that's why.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, and they seem to they seem to get away
with it. And so I look, I I I think
that there's a If Trump feels like it needs to
be brought out, he's going to do it.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
But if he doesn't, there's.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
No amount of clamor or influencers online that are going
to make him do it.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Yeah eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero,
or our talk back line or dial pound two to
fifty and say, hey, Rod, we'll get your comments on this.
Already got some callers who want to weigh in, and
we'll get to your calls and your comments coming up
on the Rod and Greg Show. Want the truth about
the whole Jeffrey Epstein case. He basically said, look, folks,
I'm not going to do anything anymore. I'm moving on,

(52:56):
moving on, and he's encouraging them to move on as well.
Eighty eight eight five seven ozh eight zero one zero
dial pound two to fifty. Say hey, Rod or on
our talkback line. Down the iHeartRadio up look for kanterst
dot com and you'll see all the information there to
leave a comment on our talkback line.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Kay, let's go to the phones. Let's go to Ray
and American Fork. Ray, thank you for holding. Welcome to
the Ronning Gregg Show.

Speaker 9 (53:18):
Hey, you guys always have interesting subjects. But I'm going
to say something pretty radical, and let me preface it
by saying that you guys have no opinion on it.
Nobody in leadership in this country unless they offend the
power elite in the opposing party or even their own,

(53:39):
gets prosecuted and goes to prison for any length of
time until the day comes when we start taking things
like I'm about to say that I believe that Joe
Biden and Joe Biden conspired to murder his family. Now
there's enough evidence to it least warrant asking questions to

(54:03):
at least warrant an investigation. There's her ex husband there's
their conflicting testimony over the years or stories of how
they met, and it's all too convenient. And the accident itself,
just on the surface, is enough to say, you know what,
let's take.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
A look at this.

Speaker 9 (54:24):
We don't do these things, you know, Mary, Joe kopecne
Ted Kennedy. The guy never ever even sat in front
of a special prosecutor looking into that case. And he
was rewarded again and again and again to be a senator,
the lion of the Senate, right to run for the presidency,

(54:47):
or they at least to get the nomination. So until
we start taking it serious. And now let me give
you an example, me Mendez. He got convicted. He's going to
probably spend the rest of his life in federal prison.
But isn't it interesting that he was a thorn in
the side to Bush or to Biden for his foreign

(55:08):
policy misadventures. But why didn't he get a pardon? Because
he was prosecuted because he didn't play ball. That's the
only time George Bush's administration lied to the United States
and to the world in front into the UN via
Cole and Powell, tell me how the invasion of Iraq

(55:29):
is any different than Russia's invasion of Ukraine. And I'll
make an argument that Russia's invasion in the Ukraine makes more
strategic sense for Russia's security than what we did to
Iran or Iraq, because by doing what we did to Iraq,
we destabilize that entire region. And so I want to
leave it with this until we start taking these people

(55:52):
in hand and punishing them with the rest of their
lives in federal prison, this will not change. And I've
called you guys before, I said this eight months ago
when the Republicans first took power. Yeah, they haven't even
sat anyone down to start asking one last thing, the
flight logs. We don't need the client list. We have

(56:13):
the flight logs. Client's on that flight log over twenty times,
plus the testimony of his own security. How about a
hearing what were you doing on Lolita Airlines? Never gonna happen?

Speaker 1 (56:26):
All right? Well, raised frustration goes way way back. Yeah,
and you.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Know, I'll tell you what I agree is whatever you
put up with, you get more of. And He's right.
A lot of these important, rich elite people seem to
get away with with everything, murder, you name it, and
it is something that we all thought. And look, Trump
himself questioned that Epstein whole scenario, and certainly I just

(56:52):
saw a post from Donald Trump Junior from a couple
of years ago saying that those lists ought to be
released and or the client list or is so I
I I feel that I feel the tension out there,
and I do think it's much much bigger than just
I was thinking, this is all Epstein. And you know
what we've got. We've got a lot of kids out
there being victimized. We got to get serious about a

(57:13):
much broader, uh, you know, just horrific situation on our hands.
But I think that I've been convinced that the Epstein
thing represents that and a lot more.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Well. And you know, I hear what Ray is saying,
and and I mean he took it all the way
back to Ted Kennedy and Mary Joe Kopecney. No one
has ever been held accountable for that.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Hey, you swam the channel there to get.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Away from that, right, all right, more coming down. It
is O number three of the Rotting Greg Show and
Talk Radio one oh five nine. Canast stay with us?
One year ago today we started this togetherness.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Right now, Dale National Convention be heaven ever since, Man,
have you ever had a better year? Just about it?

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Don't go there.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Yeah, you have never had a more fun time. The
show just you know, it just took wings and flew,
just like just like Maverick.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Sure people believe that's for sure. It has been so
funny in the last hour or two since we started
the show. H Zoolander, Jesse Water calls Sorah mom. Donnie
went to Washington to meet the parents today, as he explained,
and it's just funny to watch some of these radical
democrats fall all over themselves. Greg about this guy, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
It's so he's so authentic. Do you know what that
word means? Actually have you heard? Have you seen this
guy's bio?

Speaker 5 (58:35):
It?

Speaker 2 (58:35):
He would be the opposite of authentic.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Yeah, just sit down with him, kick the tires.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
You know, he won for the everyday person people. And
he yea, grew up at the highest most expensive private
schools with multimillionaire parents and you know, Columbia professors. And
he's a socialist. That's actually putting it nice. I think
he's more communist.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
You don't. I think I heard Sean talk about this
earlier today. You know, he had this meeting with business leaders.
None of them major businesses in New York City decided
to show up. I know because Jamie Diamond, Black Rock,
you name it. They did not. They don't want anything
to do with this guy.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
No, you know it's bad when all of a sudden,
Andrew Cuomo looks like a star again. I mean he was.
He was shown the door. He couldn't win a simple
primary Democrat primary against this clown, and he just wasn't viable.
But now they're all looking around, going, are you kidding me?
This guy could actually win because Eric Adams, the current mayor,
he's got all kinds of issues. It looks like he's

(59:33):
not does but Cuomo is gonna get So they go
back to Cuomo and say, hey, I remember how we
said we didn't want to you to run. We'd love
to help you. Now, now you please come back. So
you expect Andrew Cuomo to have a serious run. He
has some baggage, but I guess it's not as bad
as being a communist. I guess it's not that bad.
The bags aren't that bad.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Hey, it's not that bad. Well, speaking of Washington, JD.
Vans on a procedural vote yesterday broke the tie to
advance the president's doge cuts after Republicans some Republicans are
do deniging Donald Trump nine point three billion dollars, isn't
it something like that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Nine point four nine point four in a budget of
seven trillion dollars now and they can't cut that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Is it seven trillion?

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Yeah? Seven trillion.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I thought it was thirty six.

Speaker 6 (01:00:21):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Well, that's that's the cumulative But this year's seven.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Trillion, Okay, So yeah, whatever trillion you want to throw,
whatever number you want to throw into it. The seven
nine point four billion is chump change. It's decimal. It's
literally decimal dust.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, joining us on our any hour Newsmaker
line right now is Britney Manhai Madnee. I'm sorry, Brittany Madney.
She's executive vice president of the Economic Policy Innovation Center. Brittany,
thanks for joining us this afternoon. Give us your take
on what is going on in the Senate and these
cuts that the president is asking for.

Speaker 9 (01:00:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:00:54):
Absolutely, thank you so much for having me on. I
think this is a critical piece of legislation for your
listeners to hear about. What we're talking about right now
is nine point four billion dollars in waste that Trump
has identified and that Congress is really considering as we're talking.
The Senate passed the procedural most and last night, but
they're still debating it right now, and there's some holdups

(01:01:16):
that we shouldn't even.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Be talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
You know, I'm glad you brought this to our attention.
I posted last night that I think this is about
the most. This is the litmus test if you are
thirty seven trillion dollars, you know, budget size and growing,
and this is nine U poultry nine point four billion
in cuts and you don't have the political courage to
do it. You're just not representing everyday Americans. You just

(01:01:40):
get me that everybody the votes know, and I don't
care if they're a Republican or Democrat. They've got to
get out of the Senate. We've got to replace them.
They're not backing us. I mean, how can nine point
four billion dollars in a thirty six trillion plus dollar
budget be even a hard decision?

Speaker 7 (01:01:57):
It's not.

Speaker 10 (01:01:58):
It's just not a hard decision. I mean, this is
money that the Biden administration plan to use for things
that just aren't Americans priorities. I shudder to even tell
your listeners right now what we're even talking about spending
their money on. It would it would just be appalling.
And I know a lot of your listeners are probably

(01:02:18):
sitting in their cars driving home from a hard day's work.
Yet that entire paycheck is going to fund absolutely insane
things from some of these radical foreign a programs.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Brittany, these Senate Republicans who voted against this and most
likely will as well, I mean, what's their beef about this?
What scares them so much about what is trying to
get done here?

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
Your gas is as.

Speaker 10 (01:02:43):
Good as mine. I can't understand for the life of
me why we can't vote against nine point four billion
with a B dollars that's going to fund you and
abortions in foreign countries, transgender activism, green energy projects in Serbia.
There's some of this money going to grants in Latin
America for nonprofits that quite literally do nothing but fund

(01:03:06):
fiber bag weaving. How is that a priority for Americans
who are working hard for this money.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Senator Murkowski, Senator Collin, Senator McConnell, those three. I think
this is the litmus test to show that they're not
really Republicans, or at least the Republican as the party
is today, and it really is, I think the party
of the everyday American people. It's a party of common sense.
This vote shows that they have no interest in everyday Americans.
And my question becomes, what does a midterm look like?

(01:03:35):
What do elections look like? We're Democrats that are senators
that are betraying the people, but also these Republicans where
we'll see some votes and see some challenges, hopefully in primaries.
Are we going to are we going to kick the
bums out? That's why I just need to know, because
I'm pretty hot about it.

Speaker 10 (01:03:53):
No, listen, you have every right to be hot about it.
I'm hot about it. And I've worked in Congress for
some fantastic members for over a decade, and I'm sitting
here on the outside scratching my head trying to understand.
How is it so hard for some of these folks
in the Senate to understand two basic things. First, this

(01:04:14):
is about respecting tax payers. And second, if you can't
demonstrate fiscal discipline on nine point four billion dollars, why
should they trust you with anything else?

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Yeah, look like seven trillion dollars. That's right. Uh, let
me ask you this, Brittney, what happens if this doesn't pass?
What are we going to see happen here?

Speaker 10 (01:04:35):
Well, things are probably going to get a whole lot worse.
This is really the first opportunity for a recisions package
that the Trump administration has sent us. But we're expecting
a second package to come down this summer. I don't
know what the likelihood of that package passing is if
we can't even get a paltry nine point four billion
done when we're looking specifically at projects that are no

(01:04:57):
brainers to cut, you know. So, at the end of
the day, there's no magic money tree.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
I looked in the Capitol.

Speaker 10 (01:05:04):
There isn't one in the base. I know the Democrats
seems to think it's there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
It's not so, Brittany. Here's when did the script flip?
Because when the House sent over this recision package. I
heard Senator Ran Paul, I heard Senator Johnson from Wisconsin.
I heard our own Senator Mike Lee just really disappointed
that that was all the amount that they could come
up with by way of cuts that Doge had identified.

(01:05:29):
We have receipts of fraud and things we shouldn't even
be involved in. And there was a very strong sentiment
coming out of the Senate at that time that the
Houses work just wasn't deep enough or thorough enough. How
did we get from there to you can't even find
fifty one votes for nine point four billion dollars, I mean,
with somebody hiding their sentiment about this. We spoke with

(01:05:49):
the senatorly, our very senator. He felt like it was
it was a pressure to cut more, not to barely
be able to cut nine point four When did the
script flip? Do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:05:59):
I think Senator Early is absolutely right. It would be
phenomenal to be cutting more.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
And you know, I think.

Speaker 10 (01:06:04):
He's one of the members of the United States Senate
that really puts in the work to find where we
can tighten our belts for the American people. The script
seems to afflip with just a handful less than a
handful really of senators in the last week, right, the
House did its job. The House really took into account

(01:06:25):
this recision package they passed it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
It is a.

Speaker 10 (01:06:29):
Strong first step. The Senate has until midnight Friday to
get this back. And I think what we're looking at
here is that just a two or three senators that
are starting to get you know, a little bit of
cold feet here. They're sitting here saying, oh, we can't
cut certain things. People might get upset with us. At

(01:06:50):
the end of the day, I would encourage him to
go back and talk to their constituents and really focus
on what americans priorities are. There are a lot of
things that are nice to have in this world. So
when we're thirty seven trillion dollars in debt, it's time
to look at what's needed.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
All right, thank you? It is. I mean it is
time to go back and see what's needed. And I'm
with you, Greg, I mean, these guys they can't cut
this money. I mean, with that large seven billion dollar budget,
we can't trim.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Out nineteet thirty six trillion, probably thirty seven trillion in
debt and uh and we're talking nine point four billion
dollars as if it were you know, your your mortgage
that we're not going to be able to pay. I mean,
it is, it is so pathetic. I can't even begin
to explain it. I just don't think that anyone is

(01:07:44):
serious in that town. If you can't if you can't
coalesce around nine four point four billion dollars in cuts
and a seven trillion dollar annual budget and a thirty
seven trillion dollar debt. You know where so much of
that money is being paid if on the interest of
the debt. It's it's just crazy. It's just not serious
to me. And all that's telling me is that there

(01:08:05):
isn't a Senate out there. If you don't if you
need the president vice president to break a tie, we
don't have fifty one senators who have the backs of
everyday Americans that I don't know who they're they're fighting for,
but it's certainly not us because nine point four billion dollars.
The problem should have been that was that was too small.
We should have done a lot more. We control the House,
Senate and President Executive branch and we can't cut more

(01:08:27):
nine point four billion. My goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Yeah, we're in trouble, all right, mare Coming up the
Rod and Greg Show, Talk Radio one oh five nine
knrs right now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Happening now being reported that a packed Commission hearing at
the Utah County Government Building. The Utah County Commission is
considering memorializing a signed agreement between the county Utah County
Sheriff and ICE. It's called a two to eighty seven
g agreement, which would allow for the County sheriff to

(01:08:57):
assist ICE in their enforcement of federal laws more so
than they are right now. They actually do participate and
work with them. Now, if they get someone that's illegal,
when they arrest them for some other crime, they always
inform ICE. They let them know when they're about to
be released, when they're out of the jail. But this
would allow them to work closer to ICE. Here's what's shocking.
This meeting is three hours long. People have been given

(01:09:21):
two minutes to speak for or against the Utah County
Sheriff's Office working with ICE, and for three out running
hours of two minute comments of the public, there has
not been one single comment in favor really of the
Utah County Sheriff's Office working with ICE and signing this

(01:09:41):
two eighty seven g agreement. Not one. Now, I will
tell you that this I think that the activists can
really phone tree the daylights out of a meeting like
this and get that building packed, because I don't think
that's a sentiment of Utah County generally, or it's politics,
but I'm telling you this is the stuff that happens.
They filled that that commission meeting and for three hours.

(01:10:02):
Now this this is a post. It's only you know,
just hit while we were on the commercial break. It's
been going on and uh forever. So interesting. Interesting that
they what.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
To disagreement do I mean they're already cooperating, you don't
think with ICE? I mean what more does this agree?
Does this mean they can act as ICE agents?

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
I think so. One of the things that's tough about
when ICE is in a county and a jurisdiction like
Utah or any county, is that the sheriff likes to
know what's happening. I mean, if there's other if the
public's reacting, if there's going to need if they're going
to need law enforcement assistance. You see how the violence
breaks out and how that involves local law enforcement. So
the more closely they can work together on whatever in

(01:10:47):
law enforcement federal law enforcement they're doing with the sheriff's office,
the more there's the better the communication is. So what
that does is it deputizes those county, those deputy sheriffs
to work for and on half of ICE. They won't
do it on their own or without ICE, but they
can act shoulder to shoulder and work with them if
and where needed. And I think it's a it's a

(01:11:08):
smart deal. I mean, these two eighty seven g agreements
are being signed all over the country with the sheriff's departments,
and it's just it promotes better communication, it promotes coordination
on what's going on there. It actually protects the public
so that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
People don't So why why are people in Yusah County
so opposed to this? They don't want they not know
about it. Is this an organized effort on the part
of some groups to get out there and condemn it.
I would think Utah Counties for the most part, would
go along with it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
I do too. There's only one reason I know to
oppose this agreement. There's only one reason I've ever heard,
and it's from the left. It's from their organized protesters,
and it's we don't want those stormtroopers, those thugs making
people disappear. But that's and that's not that's not the
truth of it, but that's what they say. They don't
want ICE, and the people, at least at the Commission

(01:11:54):
meeting don't want ICE there to to enforce the federal law.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
You work with sheriffs around the state. Are are there
other counties that already have this type in agreement.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
They're working there. It's all those agreements are a little involved.
But yes, Washington County as sheriff is, Sheriff Brooksby is.
I think all the sheriffs are ready to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
I can't speak for all. I don't want to speak
for all. In Salt Lake County. Yeah, and Sheriff Rosie
Rivera is a great sheriff. She she really works very
closely with all the twenty nine, you know, twenty eight
other county elected sheriffs. There's not it's not overly, it's
not political at all. Actually, law enforcement happens to be
more you know, just common sense than you than than

(01:12:33):
you know, the media shows or the leftist show. But
but most of those sheriffs are absolutely going to sign
those agreements. Now that ICE ICE had a little bit
of a shake up with its leadership, which it needed,
and now that they're on the same page and they
there's a lot more trust, they're going to work together.
And that's all that does is make sure that everyone
it's good. It's just it's an absolutely, it's all good news.

(01:12:54):
It should have happened.

Speaker 6 (01:12:55):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
We the sheriffs, I know, wanted to work with ICE more,
but there was just some trust issues with the past
leadership during the Biden administration. And now I think we've
got a good solid footing. I'm just surprised that the
activists can go and flood Utah County Commission office or
a meeting like this and spend three hours on two
minute you know comments saying don't do it. It's you know,

(01:13:20):
in Utah County of all places, too well organized. All
it goes back to like the Harry Anton five polls
where people didn't like how Trump was enforcing federal law.
There's a lot of people manipulating the public and making
it feel like the criminals are the victims and the
law enforcement guys who are the good guys, guys and
gals are the oppressers. And that's that's just a fraudulent

(01:13:44):
lie being told to the American people. And if anyone
in Utah County thinks it's about it's bad news that
the share your sheriff, deputy sheriffs and ICE are working together.
You've been given bad information. That is a good thing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Yeah, we'll have more in this tomorrow. I can member
of the Commission or the sheriff or someone on talking
about this agreement. All right, more coming in final half
hour the Rod and Greg Show, Honest Way on Utah's
Talk radio one oh five nine KNRS. Big meeting in
Pennsylvania yesterday, the President addressed a summit of various companies
corporations that are trying to get into the power game

(01:14:18):
when it comes to AI. We need a lot of
power for AI as it continues to grow. Here in Utah, Greg,
we're doing the same thing we are.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
There's a lot of there's a there's a big, big
push for energy for We have a lot of we
have a lot of natural resources in the state already.
We have oil, we have gas, we have clean coal
and carbon County of all places been in Royal Utah.
But so we have we have always been a great state.
Our utility prices have always been very very low because
of because of our coal and because of our natural

(01:14:46):
gas and everything else. But we've been dealing with this,
you know, this climate cult and this you know new
green scam that's really shut down or tried to shut
down our energy generation. So I think the tide has turned.
And it's not just in Utah, as you just point
out Pennsylvania staring at more energy generation, and you've got
other red states that are very bullish on the president's agenda.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Well, the governor says he'll spend nearly two million dollars
convincing Utahn's that nuclear energy is a good idea because
many of them are still unsure about it. I've seen
it in actually go. I mean, what are we waiting for?

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
That's you got Bill Gates now buying three Mile Island
in Pennsylvania. So now all the leftists will be fine
with it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Well, Utah is not alone in unleashing American energy. Joining
us on our Newsmaker line right now is David Zimmerman.
David is a breaking news reported at the Washington Examiner,
taking a look at what other raid states are doing. David,
how are you and welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.
Thanks for joining us tonight. David. Yeah, I'm doing well.
Thanks for hosting me. David, what do you see other

(01:15:47):
states doing right now in this rush to unleash American energy?

Speaker 11 (01:15:52):
Right now, I'm I'm taking a look at like the
approaches that different Red states are taking to you know,
streamline the permitting process for energy infrastructure infrastructure and also
like limiting the regulations that may hinder energy development in

(01:16:15):
those states.

Speaker 8 (01:16:17):
So some examples Alabama, the Governor k Ivy recently signed
a bill that established an energy Infrastructure Bank to provide
loans to utility projects to meet the power demand.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
That the state is facing right now.

Speaker 11 (01:16:38):
And South Carolina as well past the bill recently to
open a new natural gas plant, and they're also diving
into nuclear power as well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
David, let me ask you this. We have in Utah.
We're a state. I don't know if you heard it
as we came into the segment. We have oil. We
have it's a Waxi crewed. We have we have natural gas,
incredible natural gas reserves in Utah. We have coal, clean
some of the cleanest coal. We'd say, you know, high
burning be to you low carbon coal. We also have

(01:17:12):
rare minerals. We have uranium. These are these are mines.
The rare mineral side in the uranium hasn't been mined
in decades and for a very very long time. But
we have a lot. We have a lot here in
the state of Utah that will contribute to energy into
power into critical minerals. A lot of our land, though
sixty five percent of Utah's land mass, is federally owned,

(01:17:32):
so we have to get these federal land leases to
be able to do this. As you've reported on this
on these issues, and you've seen the Red states look
to lower the red tape. What's been if you've picked
up any of that appetite with the federal government and
how it would allow federal lands to be utilized more
for power generation.

Speaker 11 (01:17:54):
In terms of uh like access things.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Yeah, the leases on the land and being able to
use the permits for extraction and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Hmm.

Speaker 11 (01:18:06):
Yeah, Yeah, I've definitely seen the Trump administration pursue that,
you know, in recent months. You know, of course Trump
administration wants to make the United States less dependent on
foreign nations, partly for national security reasons. So yes, I

(01:18:33):
will say I have seen that recently that trend.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
David, what about Blue states? I mean, I would imagine
a lot of Red states were involved in this energy renewal,
But do you see any Blue states doing anything like
that or are they just all depending on renewable energy
and are going to go in that direction?

Speaker 11 (01:18:52):
Yeah, I will say I think Pennsylvania is the exception.
It is a purple state, so it's a bit of
a mix. But yeah, I think it's interesting to keep
an eye on Pennsylvania. You know, as you mentioned earlier,

(01:19:12):
Governor Joshapiro participated in the AI summit that was held
in Pittsburgh this week and he was, you know, expressing
a message of unity along with Senator Dave McCormick. So
I think he's willing to, you know, look at different

(01:19:34):
sources of energy, He's willing to cut back on the regulations,
and I think he you know, Pennsylvania is a notable
exception in that regard.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
You know, what, what was it so chicken or the egg?
Was it that Trump's so popular that red states like Alabama, Ohio,
South Carolina, three states you highlight in your in your
column that they they are just following Trump's lead or
did they have kind of a did they have kind
of the grassroots support already but they've been held back

(01:20:04):
by prior administrations? What what got this g What got
the ball rolling in those red states of Alabama, Ohio,
and South Carolina? Was it Trump leading them or were
they just waiting for a president like Trump to get
into office. Do you think.

Speaker 11 (01:20:17):
I believe uh uh, these Red States were encouraged by
the Trump administration taking the lead on this. You know,
the previous administration wasn't so much focused on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Fossil fuels.

Speaker 11 (01:20:36):
They were they were more concerned with pursuing wind and
solar energy. And uh, you know, Texas like does have
those forms of energy, but they are also the largest
oil producer in the nation, so Texas have a good mix.

(01:20:56):
And yeah, I would say these states are definitely encouraged
by the Trump administration. I think you just had the
you know, give them a little push on this one.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Nice you gave him a push. All right, David, thanks
for joining us tonight. We appreciate your time. Yeah, I
appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Thank you on our
news maker line. That's David Zimmerman, reporter with the Washington Examiner,
talking about the the Red States push. You know what,
I saw a figure the other day, Greg, I think
I think it said now that sixty seven percent of

(01:21:28):
the energy electricity in California is produced by renewables. Sixty
seven percent something like that. But you know what they paid.
Their electricity rates are skyrocket compared to other states.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Well, there used to be an agreement with with what
was the power and IPP, yeah, IPP and they were
and that was ended the power. They were sent in
power into California and nave in it because it was
I think they were transitioning from cold natural gas. But
even natural gas was good enough further because even though
it's got zero emission and it's very clean, it was

(01:22:04):
still an extraction, which they didn't get. The memo that's
so is rare minerals the dummies for your big batteries
for your cars that you think you're you know, running
on something that doesn't emit anything. So anyway, I'm glad
to see the pendulum swing back. And it's isn't it
so funny that they spent so much time destroying power
generation plants, you know, power plants and getting rid of

(01:22:25):
it all, and they didn't want anything to do with nuclear,
they didn't want anything to do with natural gas power
plants or coal fired power plants. And then all of
sudden AI showed up and it needs more power than
we have on the grid currently. In the next five years,
it alone would need as much as the nation is
using now. And they've all seen the light. I think
you've got. If you've got Bill Gates and all these
guys now all bullish about nuclear you're going to see

(01:22:47):
they're abandoning their own you know, religion of getting rid
of power generation because they need it. They need it now.
So now it's important to that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Oh we've found something nuclear energy, maybe we yeah, develop it.
What a novel idea?

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Yeah, never heard of that kind showed up on the scene.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
All right, more coming up the Rod and Greg Show
and Talk Radio one oh five nine kan Es.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
I'm Citizen Hughes and I'm Roder Arkuett.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
We've got a little time. I wanted to air this
for a few days. I've been holding on to this, Greg,
but I think this really explains. It's a great explanation
of what the Democratic Party's immigration policy is all about.
And you will relate to this. This is Stephen Miller,
whether president in its top days. Yes, he gives a
two minute and it's no long explanation of what the

(01:23:34):
Democratic Party is doing when it comes to illegal immigration.
List to this is a great explanation.

Speaker 12 (01:23:39):
The left has been trying to shove Marxism, socialism, and
communism down the throats of the American people for generations. Now,
they ultimately were not able to do this during the
Cold War because the middle class revolted against communism and
Marxism and social engineering. The left shift entertain the Democratic

(01:24:01):
Party shifted their tactics to use migration as a weapon
to break down the middle class and to gain political
power and control in this country. They use migration to
destroy our public education system, to destroy our healthcare system,
to destroy wages and working conditions for the middle class
of this country, and in effect, to destroy social and

(01:24:22):
community cohesion. And then in that rubble, in that chaos,
in that conflict, to then try to articulate the need
for evermore government control, evermore government redistribution, evermore government power,
and then to ultimately import voters to then support that agenda,
to import voters who do not believe in limited government,

(01:24:42):
who do not believe in the US Constitution.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
And that is why you are.

Speaker 12 (01:24:45):
Seeing now this violent, yes, violent, insurrectionist revolt by the
Democrat Party against immigration and customs enforcement. You see video
after video after video of Democrat shock troops in the
streets hurling rocks at ice officers and border patrol in
their vehicles firing projectiles at them, violently assaulting them and yes,

(01:25:09):
opening fire on them, multiple assassination attempts against our brave
and heroic Ice and Border Patrol agents, and barely a
word of condemnation from the Democrat Party. In fact, the
Democrat rhetoric calling our ICE officers, calling our border patrol
Nazis and gestapos and fascists, demanding as they do, that

(01:25:29):
Ice leave their communities, this nullificationist rhetoric, all of which
inspires and incites these domestic terror attacks against law enforcement.
So we really are at a hinge point here for
the West, a full compoint.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Steven Miller, I think giving a great explanation of what
the Democratic Party is up to. And you've talked about
this great create chaos. That's what's taking place around the
country right now. Even though the President announced today he's
pulling the federal troops out of La half them, that
thing is kind of somewhat calmed down quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Yeah, well, the violence has subsided now. Part of their
their strategies to never let up. It's to keep the
violence going, to keep the chaos high because the people,
the American people get fatigued. They get that they're too unsettled,
it's too chaotic and they want it to end, and
so they don't really throw their criticism or their anger
towards those creating the violence. They actually, amazingly because of

(01:26:24):
the regime, media pointed towards what they think is the
nucleus of it, and that's Trump thinking that he's gone
too far. There's some interesting polls. We didn't get into
it in today's show, but there's a poll that shows
that the American people support the President still in his
efforts to remove people that are here illegally, But strangely,
his numbers plummet when they say is he has he

(01:26:45):
gone too far? And how he does it? Some people,
I mean more people are uncomfortable by the methods, Which
how do you think you're going to get this many
people out of here? If you're not doing what Ice
is doing right now? I don't under The only thing
you can attribute to is the fear that the Democrats
are creating through political violence.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
The poll I think you're talking about is the Harvest
Harris poll today that was released it It was conducted
a couple of days after July fourth. I found greg
that sixty percent of voters support Trump's actions to close
the Southern border, with thirty four percent of Democrats and
eighty nine percent of Republicans saying they back the president's

(01:27:20):
measures at the border. At the border. That is, furthermore,
seventy five percent of US supporter voters support efforts to
remove criminals from the US who are in the country illegally.
So that contradicts the poll that we showed with Harry Anton,
a series of polls the other day showing that Trump
is losing support for his efforts.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
So you go deeper in that poll though, that in
that Harris Pole Harvard Harris Pole, they ask about the
tactics that the administration is going through, and that's where
those numbers, while they're still a favorable for the present,
they're only by it's like what fifty two forty eight.
It's I don't understand how you can support by seventy
percent what he's doing and then fall like the tactics. Yeah,

(01:28:03):
I don't because I actually don't think he's I don't
think his number, his daily numbers are going to get
remotely close to what was allowed in by an open
border for four years by Biden.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
No way, no way, All right, that does it for
us tonight? As we say each and every night. Head up,
shoulders back. May God bless you and your family. Been
a fun show today marking our one year.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
You believe that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Kind of thank Garry, Thank you, Jerry.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Yeah, I know. This has been the best year of
your life.

Speaker 6 (01:28:30):
Honey.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
Oh yeah, it's a highlight. Write it down my journal
every night. All right, Bora, Jesse Kelly is coming up.
Stay with us.

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