The Rod and Greg Show: How Mullin is Changing the DHS; Has NATO Run Its Course?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is where all the patriots live.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm telling you this is it's they'll name it Washington
County for nothing, you know.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Yeah, that's it's a great place.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Yeah, that's true. That's true. It's great.

Speaker 4 (00:09):
Well, we've got a lot to get to today on
a very busy Friday. Two big countdowns or we're watching.
First of all, Greg, the countdown of Artemis two, which
is scheduled to splash into the ocean outside of San Diego.
Have a point about that. I know you'll want to
make in a couple of hours. And then, of course
we're the countdown is on for the talks between around
in the United States, which will take place in Islamabad,

(00:31):
I believe sometime tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
And JD.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Vanson's there, Steve Witkoff is there, Jared Kushner is there.
We're gonna have to see how this all turns out.
So two big things that we're keeping our eye on
this afternoon. Greg, A lot to go on, A lot,
a lot going.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
On, as per usual. You're exactly right.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
I the one one I feel like, you know, I
think President Trump's administration is going to be in control.
I just don't buy that this guy's going to make
a bad deal, especially with the likes of Iran or
that regime. I think they know who they're looking at,
and I think that, you know, whatever they convinced the
administration and President Trump to not do on that deadline
this this last week, they're not gonna They're not gonna

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go for false promises going forward, and you're going to
see a very strong I think either there. I don't
even think I wouldn't even call it an agreement. I
say they're gonna acquiesce or it's gonna get real ugly
out there now. The landing of Artemis two that deserves
that's up in the air in my mind. A little
bit more in terms of where are they splashing rod
ladies and gentlemen, they say, off the coast of San Diego.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
We've talked about this.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
There's a Tijuana River, Tijuana toilet that has ruined the
Pacific Ocean off of San Diego. And why would you
ever let those poor astronauts be in that water. They
can't from the beach and I'll out near it. How
would they let these poor astronauts that go into that.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Well, I don't think they're that close to it, is
what I'm thinking. I would imagine there's several miles out
to sea. It doesn't reach that.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I oh not if you see those aerial shots, those plumes,
those round plumes, Ah, they're so gross.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
So anyway, yeah, we will have to wait and see.
All right, you know, I want to start off the
show today, Greg, we need to push out a huge
congratulations to the Utah Mammoth. In just two years after
moving here from Arizona, they are in the NHL playoffs.
That is exciting.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I will tell you, as a Penguins fan that haven't
hadn't been to the playoffs since the twenty one to
twenty two season, it is it is quite remarkable that
an NHL franchise in its second year is going to playoffs.
It it's exciting times. Those are those aren't easy to
get into and uh and so it's it says a
lot about the organization. And they're fun to watch. I mean,

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you've been to games, We've been to games. It's it's
I think it's there's so much enthusiasm with that this team.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
So it's it is exciting, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
And I'm one Greg who said to myself for a
long long time, will never have an NHL franchise in
this city because this is not a hockey town. Boy,
have I been proven wrong. I mean, their fans are
as loud as any fan in the country.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
I know, and the hunger I you know.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I went to the their their practice facility about a
month ago. I went to there a practice facility there
at Southtown Mall and Sandy and it was a Saturday,
and the kid they give that ice time and they
it's like junior jazz, but on the ice they have
so many young ones learning hockey and and and there's
there You're right, there's just an enthusiasm even amongst the

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community and down to the kids for ice hockey in Utah,
and it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Well, I didn't, like I said, Greg, I didn't think
hockey would ever go over here. But it has, and
I'm glad it has because like you, I'm a big
hockey fan. You're a you're a Penguins fan. I'm like
a Canadians fan.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Both teams. Pittsburgh is in the playoffs this year, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
They made it. Finally they got a young team.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
They got their veterans of Sydney Crosby and Gino or Malkin.
You know, and Guinny Malkin and then let Tang, but
the rest are young wings. They got an eighteen year
old playing on that team, you know. And yeah, they
made the playoffs second in the Metropolitan Division. I haven't
been there for a while, so yeah, hockey's alive and well, yeah,
just it's good.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
And I like I've told you, Greg, I think when
they hit the playoffs something I think they put in
their water or something. Because every one of those players
and the game itself, it's already a very fast game.
I think a lot of people here in Utah have
learned that it's a fun, fast game. I think for
some I don't know how they do it, but it
kicks into a higher gear when it goes into the
playoffs because they're really playing for something. So I think

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it's fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
So when I've been to games that, you know that
you have this eager fan base that wants to learn
more about the game. They want to know what icing is.
They're they're just they're just learning it. They're sponging. Everybody's
a sponge. They just love this team. They love to
watch it. What's going to be so exciting to watch
is when everyone collectively in Utah learns what playoff hockey
looks like, because you're right, it's so different. It is

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so and it's so intense. It is so intense, and
there's nothing like it, I think in professional sports, in
playoff NHL hockey. So that's going to be a whole
new brand of hockey that's going to arrive here in
in Utah, and I think no one's going to be disappointed.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
I don't think we definitively know who we're playing yet,
even though the early indications are it could be Edmonton,
which is the one team that we probably do.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Not that's true.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
I mean I I you know, I got a n app.
It looks if the playoffs were to start today, we're
ranked on where everyone are in nurse games that are
being played till I think the eighteenth or something so
like till next week.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
They'll they'll be regular season games.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
But if the season ended today, I believe that is
who they have managed to face would be the Edmonton Oilers,
which is a tall task, but they did be when
they're in town last year, the Oilers last time they're
in town.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
And for the fans here because they will have at
least one or two games here. I'm not sure there's
a best of three or best of five on the
initial round a habit Jim, Yeah, you'll have a chance
to see Era just told me best of seven. You'll
have a chance to see probably the best hockey player
in the world today, and that's Connor McDavid. That guy's
absolutely amazing.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Well he will be. He will be one of the
best when he actually wins a cut stand.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
That's true right now, good point.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
He is, so I love him too, but he's that's
that's the big hurdle for him. So they were there
last year. Yeah, he didn't do it.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
All right, let's talk about what's going on in packets
stand tomorrow. My sense is Greg, knowing Donald Trump and
the negotiator that he is, his instructions to JD. Vans is,
if they don't start giving some things away and settling this,
you have my permission to just walk out of that meeting.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I agree straight up. Her moves.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
When when the President the United States wakes up in
the morning on true social announces that that strait is open,
the commerce is occurring, it is a great day and
a great beginning for that region of the world and
then nothing moves through that straight He's embarrassed. He's not
going to tell you he's embarrassed. But there's no way
Donald Trump is not embarrassed by what he promised we
would all see collectively together after an agreement and the

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ceasefire was, you know, arrived at versus. What happened in
the aftermath, it did not match what he said, and
I cannot imagine that he's good with that. So I
think you've got a very different negotiating h I don't
think it's even negotiation. I think they're gonna come and
they're gonna say this is what we want, and if
you can't say yes, just give us time to get
out of the way before the bombs fly.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I really do. I don't think it's gonna be much
of a negotiation.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
I want to see if you agree with me on this, Greg.
I think the Iranians have actually found a new weapon.
They don't have to you know, the nuclear is very
important to them, but I think their new weapon is
I don't know if they realized how much they could
control the world economy by shutting down the Straight of
Horror moves, but it seemed everyone in the world is
being affected by this, and they're thinking, you know what,

(07:40):
We've got something in our hip pocket we can always use,
and we're gonna have to figure out a way around that.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
In my opinion.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
You know, see, I thought you were gonna say their
new weapon was the regime media in America. No, I
thought that was the well, because that seems to be
working well in their favor too. They seem to be
the propaganda machine for Iran right now in terms of
being apologiest for them. But no, you're right, But you
know what that signals for us, And I know that
the President is looking at this.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Okay, supply and demand.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
If the strait of horror moves can impact so much supply,
guess what we have world in America.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
We have plenty of supply.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
We can bring that and we can meet that demand
and you could see the footprint of American oil and gas,
that footprint grow incredibly.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
If you can't get better results out of that area.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Of the world, yeah, well, his message should be to
the rest of the world. In those countries and apparently
there are quite a few in Europe. Hey don't worry
about buying it from Iran anymore. Come to the United States,
We've got plenty. We're more than willing to sell our
oil to you, and I don't know why that message
is not being sent right now.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
I'm gonna say you opeck won't like that. No, there
are hands gonna be like, don't forget us please. But
I think that I do think that that America is
not only energy independence, but net exporter status and how
large that that surplus is now and growing. That does
put us in a very different place and on the

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world stage in terms of supplying demanding the cost of
oil and gas. And I think that the President's ready
to take full advantage of that.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Well.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
As we mentioned, we've got a busy show today. In
this first hour, we'll be talking about female teachers and
why they're abusing their male students. We'll get into that,
and our good friend Guy Shiraki, who I think we
should now call Guy Sharona, is going to join us
at the bottom of the hour. He'll be talking about NATO.
So great to have you along for the ride on
this Friday afternoon. It is the Rod and Greg Show.
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coming up with Rod and Greg and Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine. You know, as we scan the
various websites that we look at each and every day
looking for news, I don't think Greg, a day goes
by without seeing another story about a teacher being arrested

(09:52):
for sexually assaulting one of our students. It seems like
it happens on almost a daily occurrence anymore, would you agree?

Speaker 1 (09:59):
I would? I would tell that back in the day.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
I fact, if you saw that story, it was some
guy teacher and you'd see some young, young young lady,
some student of his, a young girl. You're seeing a
lot of female teachers that are now being arrested for
charged with sexual relations, conversations, whatever, illegal behavior with students

(10:25):
that they teach in the schools. And I don't remember
that being so common growing up or even just recently,
but it seems to be very prevalent right now.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. Well, joining us on
our any our newsmaker line to talk about that is
Edward Bartlett. He is the founder of Save. He's written
a great article about this. He's joining us on our
any our newsmaker line. Edward, how are you welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
Thank you so much. I'm feeling great. How are you doing.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
We're doing fun, Edward? What do you think is behind
this epidemic? Because it is almost like a daily occurrence
that you see a story or two about a situation
where you have a female teacher abusing one or two
of our male students. What's behind this epidemic?

Speaker 5 (11:07):
Yeah, great question, and I've thought long and a heart
about that. First of all, just put this in perspective.
So when we wrote this press release, we thought, well,
let's try to do a nose count, a headcount, and
literally in the ten days prior to this press release
coming out, and the press release came out on April
the ninth, we've we found we found four incidents in Arizona,

(11:33):
New Jersey, Colorado to actually two in Arizona. So, uh,
you know, these incidents are occurring more often and as
your as the other fellow just mentioned, yes, it's not
just our imagination. It is happening. What's behind this? I
don't think we know for sure? You can you know,
some people would say well, women are becoming more assertive.

(11:58):
Maybe there's a higher level of hostility, sort of late
late in the hostility. But I A'll admit I don't
know what what really is behind this. It is a mystery,
and I think that's part of the reason we did
this press release. We'd like people to look into this
h whether they're they're scientists or people in the legal profession.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
So so, Edward, here's my here's my question.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
If I look back in time, the movie The Graduate
with Dustin Hoffman, he's a young kid, he's got an
older woman that's after him. You look at there's a
there's a van Halen video Hot for Teacher, and all
the young in the video, all van Halen are school kids,
and they got the teacher dancing around and everybody thinks
it's funny.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Could it be the case.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
That our more's our values have changed and we've become
more sensitive to things that we probably made light of
in the past but we don't today.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Is that would that be part of this equation somehow?

Speaker 5 (12:57):
Well, I think everybody would agree that our society is
undergoing a radical change, and probably not for the better.
And so traditional roles, traditional values, traditional expectations are going
by the wayside. It seemed almost every day you hear
about another sort of long you know, long respected tradition

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is just being thrown away. So yeah, and I tend
to worry about this this trend right now. So yes,
I think that's part of this development of more sexual
assaults and rapes by female teachers of their male students.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Edward, I've Edward, I've heard some stories here in you two,
as a matter of fact, of a teacher who was
accused of sexually assaulting one of her male students, maybe
on a couple of occasions, and the district disciplined her
a little bit, but also just moved her to a
different school. Do you hear anything like that going around
the country where there, Yes, they may be discipline, but

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they still have their job and they're just being sent
to another school.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
Well, just to clarify the case, you mentioned that it
was a criminal offense.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeh, Is that right? Yes?

Speaker 5 (14:15):
Okay, Well, so yeah, there is a tendency to downplay
these these incidents. Not all the time, but we see
enough of these downplayed incidents, and it starts with the
media when they in the headline of the article says
uh uh, female teacher had sex with male students. Well, sorry,

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that is not an honest headline. It should say rate
a male student, just just to be honest about it.
And yes, we are seeing it's a minority of cases,
but in some cases even the criminal system does not
take the case seriously. What what you the ex semple

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you just gave is, yes, it's a bad example. We
should not be sort of you know, saying well, hahuh,
you know she didn't cause any harm. He probably enjoyed
the experience and we'll just say a hush hush.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I think that sometimes transparency or bright lights of transparency
is it is a good way to get to solve problems.
Is are there are there any is there any data
out there? And I think you refer to some of
this in your your piece that we were that we
found that we asked you to come on to talk
about give us some data or are there places that

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we can search for data that which that would kind
of pull back the curtain on how pervasive this is,
how worrisome it is because you don't know what you
don't know, and until you you talk about it out
loud and you say, yeah, you know, you're right, I
do see this, this same story popping up all the time.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Where can we find the data related to this?

Speaker 5 (15:58):
Well, probably the best place to look is a online database.
It's called the Teacher Accountability System. Okay, it's free, it's
very easy to use. Teacher Accountability System. When I first
found it, there were only eleven thousand cases in this database.

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Now there's seventeen thousand cases. I don't know if that
means that there was an epidemic of cases, you know,
in the last couple of weeks, or somebody just added
a lot of cases. I don't know, but that's probably
the best place to start. Beyond that, you just sort
of hit or miss. Look, you know, social media reports

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and so forth. So, yeah, this is an area we
only it's sort of hit and miss. We don't have
a good comprehensive picture.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, sounds like it. Edward, thank you for joining us.
We appreciate a few minutes of your time this afternoon,
and enjoy the weekend.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Thank you, my pleasure, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
All Right on our newsmaker line, that's Edward Bartlett. He
is the founder of Save talking about female teachers raping
male students. More coming up on the Rotten Greg Show
and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k nrs.
And boy, what a fun day this is for these astronauts.
We hope it's a fun day. They're coming home today,
touchdown in the Pacific Ocean, just off the San Diego coast,

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Scheduled for shortly after six o'clockyard time. Greg, and you're
hearing all kinds of numbers, but the one that just
blew me away. Greg, And you may have heard some
as well as you look to cover this story. When
they enter the yours atmosphere, they will be traveling, Greg,
get this at thirty two times the speed of sound.
Thirty two times the speed of sound, and the temperatures

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are going to reach are about in that capsule, and
the heat that they'll be dealing with is about half
of what the sun puts out, So you can imagine
how hot that entry is going to be pretty much.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah, sounds exhausting to me. I'm already tired. This is
why I'm not an astronaut. This is why you know,
I wouldn't even play one on TV. That seems like
a lot of work.

Speaker 5 (18:10):
That thing.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Basically you're saying, that's a comet coming back in.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah, that's basically that's what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
And I tell you what, I've been watching a little
bit of a former astronauts talking about this, or current
astronauts there say everything has to fire perfectly and on time,
and they'll get rocked around a little bit. They'll hear
explosions because the explosions set off the parachutes to slow
them down and bring them back to earth. But he says,
this is, uh, this is quite a ride. Amen to that,

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I think it would be too.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
And if we could get a message to mission control,
we want to say, stay away from the from the
shore line, do not get near Tijuana and that river.
It is not good out there. Stay away, go way
out there, go way out.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Hey, by the way, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
I don't know how much attention paid to the Masters today,
but mceilroy is eleven under.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
You know, I haven't.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
I have not been to watch it. It's my favorite tournament.
I watched more of it yesterday than I I haven't
watched it today.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
I have to watch a.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Replay eleven under today. He's tearing it up.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
Well, wow, speaking of tearing it up, is that what
Donald Trump wants to do do you think Greg to
NATO because he sure has indicated it may not be
worth the effort anymore.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, well, you know what I do. I think I'm
looking forward. We love Guy Schrocky. He's got great insight
all the time he takes on this this issue of NATO,
and I think he makes a very very calm and
obvious case about NATO's kind of run its course, you
know what it was created for.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
I just don't see it. So I'm looking forward to
this discussion.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, well, Guy is joining us on our any our
newsmaker line where we're talking about Guy Shiraki, a political
commentator co contributors to Real Clear Pennsylvania Sky. Give us
a take on this NATO. Where is this all going
in your opinion?

Speaker 6 (19:54):
Yeah, I'm not sure where it's going, but I think
it's time we recognize that NATO had a purpose.

Speaker 7 (19:59):
It was.

Speaker 6 (20:02):
There was a way to sort of stop the growth
of the Soviet Union across Eastern into Western Europe, and
we've probably missed an opportunity around two thousand when the
Soviet Union started to dissolve, to declare victory and move on. Instead,
we have an organization that I think has lasted almost
three decades too long. It no longer has a central purpose,

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it no longer has a unity of goals, and this
is why we're having the problems. To me, the disagreements
about the Ukraine, the disagreements about Iran, there's not the
reason we should break up. It's there the result of
an organization that, in my opinion, has effectively run its course.
And I would just add there's in my opinion, there's
no malice. I mean, there's no anger with the French,

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with the Germans, with the British, with the Italians. We
helped keep the Soviet Union in check, and many nations
like Poland and Hungary are free today because of it.
But we no longer share a common mission, which is
why we can't agree on what we're supposed to be doing.
That's why I think like it's a declare victory, Bring

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it to an end, and let's decide what a new
organization built around fighting terror might look like.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
You know, guy, I sense that in the way, the
matter of fact way that you present this when you
say no mouse, no anger. Yeah, it doesn't have to
have any drama around it. It's just if you look
at why we had it and where we are in
the world in twenty twenty six, they're just they don't
they don't match any longer. My question would be, does
that create a vacuum? And if it does, what fills

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that vacuum?

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Is?

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Or is it?

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Or can you not have a NATO and we can
and not replace it with anything else? What does that
world look like if NATO were to be dissolved because
it doesn't work, what would what would we see after that?

Speaker 6 (21:48):
Yeah, I mean the short answer is I don't know.
I mean, you know, if if I were part of
a discussion, my suggestion would be that we have some
uh you know, the European Union is now something that
didn't exist then, and we can have all sorts of
agreements in terms of trade, we can have all sorts
of agreements in terms of helping each other on individual basis. Look,
if there's a problem in the world, the British might

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be one of the first people we turned to.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
Depending on it.

Speaker 6 (22:14):
But I think folks should understand a permanent alliance like
NATO means that we keep bases in Europe, that we
provide armaments, that we share our intelligence with places now
like Turkey that are barely an ally with places like
Spain that have seemed to want to outwardly be angry
with us. So what comes in its place, Greg, I

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think is a series of agreements among fewer nations, but
nations that are committed to fighting terror. And frankly, when
you and I the three of us talked a few
months ago about Marco Rubio's speech, it's sort of the
coalition the willing, the people that are proud of Western
Europe and want to defend it. And we should not

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be in a permanent alliance where we are sharing troop movements,
troop size is national security intelligence with people who don't
share our goals. There are people that there are nations
now that are more concerned about whether the United States
is an adversary. We shouldn't be telling them how many
soldiers we have and how many bullets we have, and
how we know how to shoot down drones again, not

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because we're going to fight them, but to protect ourselves.
So I think in its place is a bunch of
smaller agreements with places like Poland that want to fight
and defend our way of life in capitalism. Why are
we trying to force this relationship again? Declare victory, recognize
we stopped the spread of communism, and let's look at

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what twenty first century security looks like.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Guy, do you find it interesting?

Speaker 4 (23:41):
You mentioned Poland, but it appears Eastern European countries like
Poland and others in the eastern side of this union
really do support the United States. But then you have
the British, the French, the Italians, the Spanish in Western
Europe saying eh, it's not our worst, so we aren't.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Going to fight it. Do you find that? I found
that very interesting.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
I do think it's interesting, but I think it's a
lot about like life. Like you know, to bring up
two sensitive subjects like politics and religion, I mean people eat,
people that often have to fight for something, or people
that are new to something, they're the ones filled with
the spirit. If you've lived under Soviet rule, where you
were literally told when you could buy bread, when the

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government decided what news programs would you would watch, you
embrace the free market, you embrace freedom of expression, you
embrace the ability to worship.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
God as you see best.

Speaker 6 (24:31):
That's why I think it's it's interesting to observe, But
if you think about it at another level, it's not surprising.
The Polls and the other now free nations want capitalism,
they want the rule of law, they want to protect
private property, they want the first you know, their version
of the First Amendment. I think the other nations have
grown tired and in some cases, as you know, have

(24:54):
sort of become much more democratic socialists, increasing their welfare state,
lowering their spending on defense. So again, we don't have
to be angry at the French, but we just don't
have to give them intelligence secrets. We don't have to
fight with the Spanish. I would not go to bed
tonight thinking that if we were attacked that the French
or the Spanish would come to our aid. I'm not

(25:15):
angry at them, but I can't put my head on
the pillow and believe that they would come to do it.
I think the Polls would. I think perhaps even the Japanese,
maybe even the Australians would. But it's a new world
and I think we celebrate the success of the twentieth
century and now think what does the twenty first century
built around cybersecurity, fighting terrorism and frankly defending capitalism and

(25:39):
the values we hold dear and the nations who want
to do that fine, and frankly guys that would say too,
they can't be subject to the whims of either party.
This is not a Republican or a Democrat, or in
the case of Great Britain, sort of Labor or Tory.
These are supposed to be timeless things. Our relationship with
those nations withstood all sorts of different political parties winning

(26:00):
because we help values.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
The values have changed. So let's represent and build something
that protects your families and mine and our kids, built
around the values with the nations who want to be
part of it today.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Yeah, it's going to be interesting, I think greg to
see the future of NATO. Guy makes so many important points.
We needed them, We've defeated communism together with the Europeans.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Do we need them anymore?

Speaker 4 (26:22):
And I think a lot of American people are willing
to take a second look at this and say maybe
it needs a little bit of a readjustment now after
what has happened in the war with Rand.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
I think Guy's incredibly insightful.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
I mean when he says though that you know, we
don't have to be angry at the French, Yes we do. No, No,
I do I want to be angry at the French.
That's just that's just a normal day for me. I
think we should always be frustrated with the French. But
I will never understand how those NATO so called allies
know that Iran has four thousand kilometer long range missiles
that could reach their countries and still push back on

(26:58):
doing anything about it. I thought that they wanted us
to protect him, but if we said we wouldn't, they'd
shape up. But it doesn't look like they want to,
so you know, Yeah, I think it's time for I
think there's a I think there's time for a different
alignment that we should be looking at.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Gonna be interesting to see in the coming months. All Right,
more coming up on the Rod and Greg Show in
Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine. Can arrest Well,
I've golfed with you before. I've never seen you do this,
but you tell you you have. There's a golfer who's
playing in the Masters. He's from Scotland. His name is
Robert McIntyre. Has been reprimanded by Master's officials as the
Scott was seen flipping the bird and expressing bad language

(27:37):
after a poor shot during the first round yesterday.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
I've never seen you do that.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
You haven't, But let me tell you those holes are
absolutely brutal. They are merciless, they are rude. I mean,
if they are judging that poor golfer, he had every
right to respond to that hole who just kicked his
ball out, probably looped around, kicked it out when it
was supposed to go in to find gravity. Those holes
need a little talking to you sometimes. Sometimes you need

(28:03):
a little sign language. I don't even know what the
problem here is. Yeah, that puts uptight, Matte Augusta. Let
the man speak to the whole. I will talk to
that hole when it robs me of of a stroke.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
Absolutely well, they reprimanded him severely, apparently to the tune
of fifty thousand dollars fine or something like that. It's
kind of please, yeah, yeh, kind of the.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Hole wasn't already getting the better of him, now it
really got the better.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
That's just that is just the worst.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
Now you'll enjoy this because I know how much you
hate doing this. But apparently the era of Americans tipping
automatically for seemingly almost any everything has finally reached the
tipping point the American people, according to survey, nearly eighty
percent of new of consumers now described the modern tipping
practice as ridiculous and they are simply not participating anymore.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Well, what was ridiculous was the trend to start tipping
for things that aren't service related. Just you know, you
you pick up your takeout and they want to tip
as if you'd had a server the entire time you're
in the in the restaurant. That's not that is not
a tipping. Uh, you're picking it up, you left your
house going to get it. So I think that you
saw the trend go to everything's worthy of a tip,

(29:14):
and now you're seeing the pendulum swing back to say,
we think actually service rendered and the way you serve,
that's what you tip.

Speaker 8 (29:21):
Do you too?

Speaker 1 (29:21):
I think it makes sense.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, do you tip less because now you're asked to.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
No, I get I get pressured into it. I I
always tip because I just did. I totally give in.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
I just got done ranting about it. I am a
sucker out. Yeah, because I don't want to. I don't
want to be the guy that didn't. And you know,
you know everyone's starting, so I tip. I do it
under quiet internal protests just so you know.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
But well you know what I do it too, because
I know many of these restaurant employees do not make
a ton of money, and a five percent or a
ten percent tip on a sandwich seems ridiculous. But you
know they aren't making that much money to begin with.
Now the taxes aren't or the tips aren't being tacked,
so why not give it to him? That's my feeling
on that. All right, we've got our number two coming
your way here on the Rotting Greg Show with you

(30:08):
on this Friday afternoon and Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine. Canterrests, ooh, the Democrats. I'm going a little
crazy today, Kamala says, shees thinking about running again.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Please do. We'll talk more about that. Stay with us.
Eray is a huge Seattle Mariners fan, right.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yes, I've noticed, Yeah, I have noticed.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
And probably one of the most famous Mariners is the
guy by the name of eachier Row, great outfielder, great well,
Griffy Jr. And Randy Johnson. Yeah, yeah, they're all, but
eachi Row was well known as well, right, yes, great hitter.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yes I would so.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
They unveiled the statue of him outside the stadium today. Okay,
you would think, you know, everything would be taken care of.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
Well.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
When they pulled off the curtain to unveil the statue,
they broke the bat. Your kid, which is which is
a rather important feature of his game.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
I think was kind of this thing.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
The bat came ripping off and was just dangling as
they pulled the curtain down.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Like Randy Johnson's throwing arm miss is missing from the statue.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
What in the world he can't do that?

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, Well, they.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Just don't make those statues the way they used to
do they. I just say I didn't know that you could.
You know, you remember that Rocky statue in Philly. That
thing's not coming down anytime soon. Those arms aren't falling off.
There's nothing falling off that statue. Boy figures at Seattle,
you know, I don't know how you can tolerate that city.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Yeah, yeah, well, I was going to say, you know
what else could go wrong in Seattle? They just imposed
a huge tax on the millionaires up there. They've got
a mayor who has no idea what she's doing, and
then they can't even unveil or have a nice statue
of one of their most famous baseball players. Just it's
just one of those.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
They can't have nice things. That's why Seattle can't have
nice things. So Ray, I don't know if they're gonna
get win a pennant, because that would be a nice thing.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
And I don't know that Seattle's ready for anything nice.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Sorry, maybe they aren't anymore, all right, speaking of Well,
I don't want to call this nice things. This certainly
isn't what it is. But a friend of ours who
we just admire for his legislative ability, Eric Swalwell, the
California Congressman, find himself in a bit of hot water today.

Speaker 9 (32:31):
Greg uh oh, yep, the rats are jumping off the ship, folks.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
I mean, we all knew Swalwell's story. He wasn't fooling
any of us. But apparently he had a lot of fans.
He had a lot of former colleagues and the current
colleagues that were endorsing him.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Well, not today, not more after today, an intern or
someone who worked for his office came out today story
in the San Francisco Chronicle this afternoon that he sexually
assault hurt twice, not once, but twice. And she's down,
coming out and ready to tell her story and is
telling her story to the San Francisco San Francisco Chronicle today.

(33:10):
I mean old Swowell and he's he's running for governor
of California.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Well, look, you got guys like Adam Schiff who's now
withdrawn his endorsement. Reuben Diego is now his pal in
the Congress is withdrawn his his endorsement. I think something
else is going on here, though, because I don't buy
that these guys didn't know this guy was a creeper.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
I just think they knew it from day one.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
I think they're freaking out that there's two Republicans that
might have a higher percentage in their jungle primary and
they might not have a Republican So I think they're
just kicking him. I think they're just going right after him,
just just getting rid of them politically and just putting
them down so they have a better chance in that
jungle primary coming up.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Yeah, you know, and I love the Internet and because
there are people out there who will find stuff on
almost any buddy out there. Well, apparently Eric Swalwell during
the height of the court hearings on Brett Kavanaugh, the
confirmation hearings where he was accused of sexual assault, apparently
he appeared we're talking about Swalwell appeared on CNN and
had something rather interesting to say about women coming forth

(34:17):
and having a chance to testify against people who may
have assaulted them. Of what Swowell had to say.

Speaker 10 (34:23):
I saw continued demeaning of victims of sexual assault, people
who deserve to be heard, who deserve for their allegations
to be investigated. For Brett Kavanaugh's sake, if he is innocent,
I hope tomorrow he opens his statement and says, you
know what, bring in all the victims, allow them to
be heard, allow them to be questioned. That will clear

(34:45):
his name if he's indeed innocent, and if he's not,
for the sake of the credibility of the court, I
hope that the Senators would vote against him. I saw
continued demeaning.

Speaker 9 (34:56):
I wondered, I wonder to be heard, deserve to be heard,
And that's the new Swallwell campaign slogan, deserve to be heard.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
And you say the rats are jumping off the ship
palm because GUYE goes shift? Is that goodbye?

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Eric Callwell? Yep.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
And I think they all knew. I don't think this
is news to them. I just think they don't want
They just can't afford to have a crowded Democrat prime
crime field in that primary, because the Republicans are turning
out to look stronger because the Democrats are all cannibalizing
each other. So they all looked at that degenerate Swallwell
and said let's go get him, Let's get him out
of the priest.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
And they had turned on him. They'll start bailing.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah, they sure have.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
All right, now, we have heard over the as we
gear up for the midterm elections, and if the Democrats
take over the House and maybe the Senate, we certainly
hope not, but you know, it could have happened. Anything
can happen in elections. You know, the Democrats are out
there saying that if they take control greg what they're
going to they're going to impeach Donald Trump again, Is

(36:00):
that right?

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Is that what you've heard?

Speaker 1 (36:01):
As well as the result.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Anybody who has worked or supported Donald Trump, I guess
they're going to arrest seventy seven million Americans, but anybody
who has supported Donald Trump, they are going to go after.
They are going to investigate. I mean, they're they're about
to unleash, you know what on the Republicans and Donald Trump.
If in fact they get elected. It's going to be
kind of a wild ride if they do.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Hang on to your hat, folks, yeah, I would look
that party is such a mess. I mean, really, the
Republicans really are only in a position to lose midterms,
lose elections, and it's because they're just not going to
give people any reason or motivation to come out and
actually vote. And that's that's the only that's the only
prayer the Democrats have. They certainly aren't aspirational or doing

(36:45):
anything that anyone wants them to continue doing. It's just that,
you know, the majority's Republicans in Congress, in the Senate,
they're just you know, it's just just not what we
signed up for.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Well they're crazy working. Yeah, well they're crazy Democrats. And
another one to social media. Listen to what she said
will happen to those supporters of Donald Trump if in
fact Democrats take over this.

Speaker 11 (37:06):
Fall, when this is all over and Trump is gone
and Democrats are back in charge and we're rebuilding everything.
The punishment for MAGA for voting Trump three times needs
to be that they lose their internet access for four years,
that they cannot post videos or comments on social media

(37:28):
for four straight years. So that none of us are
subjected to their lives and misinformation while we are rebuilding.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
The chaos that they cause the whole world.

Speaker 11 (37:39):
And America gets to be without their bs online for.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Four straight years?

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Can we all agree to this? No? I mean.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
American, isn't she They're just crazy, Greg, I mean, they
are absolutely crazy.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Why would we have access to the internet, why would
we be able to speak? Really, this is the leftists
of They've had it with you know, this crazy freedom
of speech stuff. They've they've they're done with it. So yeah, no,
that's and I'm telling you that isn't some outlier you
just heard, folks. That is the Democrats truly want to litigate.

(38:20):
I can't imagine, honestly, Rod, the list of pardons that
that Trump will have to execute or sign like not
by auto pen uh when he leaves office, because every
one of his cabinet secretaries would be subject to lawfare
where they go after them and they and the where
they they're going to weaponize the DJ and they're gonna
go after every one of his his cabinet members. They're

(38:41):
gonna go after every all members of the military. They're
gonna that were generals, you name, it. The Democrats will
want to punish beyond but beyond description, anyone who worked
with this administration in a positive way to try to
foment the fear to never repeat another administration that looks
like Trump's. And Frank I voted for what Trump is doing.

(39:01):
I am very happy with this president and what he's prioritizing.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
You know, And I'm with you on that, Greg, and
I think a lot of people are. I think I
heard a word today. They were talking about the midterm
elections and what the Democrats are going to do and
what they're trying to do, and the word I heard
was control. They are hoping that they can gain control
of at least the House, if not the Senate, and
control Donald Trump. That's their whole message is to control

(39:27):
Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Well, they're doing a pretty good job. Is the minority
party doing that? Because you know, President Trump can't get
a recess appointment. Don even though the Senators and you know,
have the majority, the Republicans, there's a lot of things
that you should be able to do with the majority
that we're not seeing done. So it shows that the
Democrats can stop Trump even in the minority. You put
them in the majority of one of those bodies, the House,

(39:51):
they'll be sending articles of impeachment over to the Senate.
Now what when the House send the articles of impeachment
over about my orcus for the disaster on the order
for the first time in Senate history.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
They just ignored it.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, they'd never happened that way before, but they just
ignored the articles of impeachment, didn't take them up, didn't
even give it any serious consideration.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
So remember that. Put that into a memory bank.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
If there were Democrats take control of the House and
start pulling the antics that they do.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
What kind of a differences Donald Trump made on the border.
There was a figure released today back in twenty twenty
four March of twenty twenty four, the number was several
thousand people attempting to cross the border as of March
twenty twenty six, Greg zero, you think Donald Trump has
made a difference? He sure has. All Right, We've got
a lot more to get to. We want to open
up the phones to you. It's Friday. We'd like to

(40:38):
talk about whatever is on your mind. Eight eight eight
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(40:58):
A lot more to come and your comments eight eight
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nine k n rs.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
This day is.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Turning uglier for Eric Swalwell, c and enters reporting that
four women, not one, but four women have now come
forward to abuse Swallwell of sexual misconduct, including rape allegations.
He of course is denying it. But as you're looking
at things, Greg, everyone is saying bye bye, see you later.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Uh yeah, this is uh.

Speaker 8 (41:27):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Democrats they are merciless, like they can take care of
their own. Hey, they're they're they've done the hatchet job
on him, because again, I think every one of these
people knew the kind of guy he was. We've been
talking about this the Jenner for years and years, but
the Hill is reported that he's lost the co chairs.
These are members of Congress that were his symbolic co
chairs of his gubernatorial race.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
They're out, they've they've they're not, they're not. They don't
want to be part of it anymore.

Speaker 5 (41:53):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Swallwell's put out a statement that these are these are
false allegations. Well, let's just go back to what he
said about Brett Cavan. Let's let these women be hurt.
I mean, you should want them all to be hurt.
Let's just hear it all.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Let's see what happens. All right.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Lines are open to you to talk about whatever is
on your mind tonight, this being Friday. Number to call
eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero on
your cell phone dial Pound two fifteen and say hey Rod,
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Speaker 3 (42:20):
We go, Greg, let's begin.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah, let's go to Will and Harriman. Will Welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 8 (42:28):
Hey guys, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 12 (42:29):
Earlier.

Speaker 8 (42:30):
Rod, you commented on Trump closing the border. I think
that's awesome. I think that's exactly what we voted for. Myself, too,
voted for Trump, and some of my buddies are not impressed,
to say the least about the lack of mass deportations.
I remember the Republican National Convention and everybody holding up
signs calling for mass deportations. I also remember when Trump

(42:51):
got into office and Ice was posting the daily deportation
numbers on Twitter, and eventually the numbers got so bad
they had to stop posting it. And under Biden there
was like ten million that came in at the least,
being conservative, and I don't think we're going to even
get maybe two million. I think we need to see
a lot more mass deportations, specifically in Minnesota with the Somalians,

(43:13):
and then here in Utah, specifically Harriman in Salt Lake
County where there's a lot of Venezuelans. I like to
see more action on that front. And yes, it's going
to hurt us in the midterms, but it's what we
voted for.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Yeah, so will you what would you like to see?
I mean, I kind of find it difficult for him
to be able to deport ten million in a year
and a half that he's been in office. What were
you expecting and did you think he should be able
to do that with a snap of a finger.

Speaker 8 (43:41):
This might be more of a radical take, but I
think neighborhood sweeps is on the table. It is unconstitutional,
but when we think about it long term, lots of
these Venezuelans are leaving anchor babies. That's kind of why
the birthright citizenship was recently talked about. Yeah, I think
that's something that anything's on the table to get the
job done. Thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
All right, all right, well, thank you for weighing in.
Apparently there are people want to the president be a
lot more aggressive when it comes to illegal aliens in
this country.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Greg, Yeah, I sense that myself.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
I think if you've broken the law and you are
apprehended and you don't have a legal way of being here,
I think the law should apply across the board. The removals,
deportation should happen. Look, Obama, if you could just get
to the numbers of removals and deportations and rocket docket
so called hearings that these detention centers that Obama did,

(44:35):
if you get to those numbers, should be doing pretty well.
I don't know that the Trump and at the current pace,
we'll get to even the numbers that Barack Obama did
during his eight years. Say, I just think the selective
outrage that people get mad about this now we've seen
action taken, swifter action taking in past administrations without regard
to party.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Yeah, another story that we were the lead on this
week again, we're talking about the UVU commencement speaker Sharon McMahon,
who is scheduled to speak there, even though she's a
has been a sharp critic of Charlie Kirk. That is
the place where Charlie Kirk was assassinated UVU last September.
And Channel two did a very good job on this story,

(45:17):
at least on their website. I didn't see their newscast
last night, but they really got to the heart that
there are a lot of people, not just a few,
but quite a few people who are now upset with this,
and I'm seeing a lot more on social media. Momentum
is starting to build, and I don't know if pressure
is going to be enough to get UVU to change
his mind. Maybe we don't want them, but they, boy,

(45:37):
I think they just made a huge mistake. Gregan and
I brought this up earlier, I think when we were
talking about this on Tuesday. Whenever you know, is there
a institution of higher learning in this state where conservative
students can feel free to express whatever is on their
mind without being attacked. And we had some callers. You know,

(46:00):
Mom's one Mom I recall saying, you know, her son
is a student at UVU. He doesn't dare say a thing.
He's conservative, but he doesn't dare say a thing. She
has two other sons. They were hoping to go to UVU.
She's not sending them there now because they feel they
cannot get a fair and a voice on campus anymore
where in this state. Greg is a conservative university.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Well, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
You don't have one. I don't think it exists. I
here's here's the litmus test. It's so easy to just
you know, run the traps on this and tell me
if this makes sense. Let's say this was a national
liberal leftist speaker that came to this campus UVU to speak,
and the students were crowded around and they wanted to

(46:45):
hear him. And you had parents, you had adults, you
had kids, and he's left of center, but he is
wildly popular. Let's say he is assassinated and the person
accused of it said that that leftist speaker, hey, he
from hat he was bad, he needed to be taken out,
and then that same universe he has a concert has
a conservative commencement speaker who, after that had occurred, justified

(47:12):
or repeated some of the justifications that the assassin had
used about his feelings towards that that leftist speaker. There
wouldn't be a chance, and hate, you know, there wouldn't
be a snowballs chance in hades that that conservative speaker
would ever take the stage at UVU. If they had
within hours of the assassination of that leftist speaking on

(47:34):
campus and being killed, they would never let them be
the conmencement speaker. It wouldn't even if they didn't even
know about it and they found about later, they.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Would they would replace that.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Speaker and a nanosecond be None of that is the
case here, None of it.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
It's selective logic and selective outrage.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Yeah, and I don't know if any would be able
to change change their mind, but I concede social media
the momentum is beginning, greg and word has gone out
reach out to that board of trustees and say you
are not happy with their choice, and I think we
have every right to say that. All right, more of
your calls and comments coming up on The Rodden Gregg
Show in Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.

(48:12):
All right, let's yeah, we're going to callers tonight eight
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Okay, let's go to Hagen, who's been from Salt Lake City. Hagen,
thank you for holding. Welcome to the Ronn and Greg Show.

Speaker 8 (48:27):
Sweet thank you guys.

Speaker 13 (48:28):
I just want to touch base on the universities and uh,
I'm a student there at the University of Utah, and
I just think you guys are completely correct, Like there's
very little representation of our party and just any right
wing ideology at all on campus. Uh. I know, just
a couple of months ago, there is an incident where

(48:50):
a group had set up a like Charlie Kirksy like
debate me, like.

Speaker 8 (48:54):
Change my mind type thing.

Speaker 13 (48:55):
Yeah, and an individual went up to them and threatened them,
like he made a gun symbol at them and it
was yelling at him, and it's just ridiculous.

Speaker 8 (49:02):
And I just think it the ether are completely correct.

Speaker 13 (49:05):
It's absolutely saddening.

Speaker 14 (49:06):
How little you know he represent ourselves?

Speaker 4 (49:09):
You know, you know yet you know, Hagen, I remember
that story. Does it come more from the students or
does it come from faculty, do you think up there
at the yours or is it both?

Speaker 13 (49:21):
I know there, I mean a lot is from the
students through social media and all that. But I have seen,
like right now, I have to take a general's course
on like diversity and stuff, and it's just like the
way they talk about stuff and like it just there.
Definitely you can see a left wing kind of approach
to things up there, and I just I don't like it,

(49:42):
Like it's kind of odd to me.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah, it shouldn't be that way either.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
I got to say how much I appreciate, Yeah, I
appreciate Hagen calling in and sharing that, you know, just
front row seat observation his own personal life experiences exactly
as we're describing. And look, I I got to tell you,
if you can't have diversity of thought in an institution
I hire a learning then we're pretty much done here.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
I don't even know what its purpose would be.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
You can't have a purpose being to radicalize an emerging
workforce and emerging generation of young adults. That you can't
watch that and be okay with that. And if you
can't apply, you know your decision tree to commencement speakers
of you know, cut from one cloth versus another, but
you see it differently and you buy in your bias

(50:27):
in it, then I just don't think it's serious. I
just don't think it's serious anymore. And it's time for
UVU for us to we shouldn't. We've made our case.
I think the case is very intuitive and very quick
to make. What is UVU's case of leaving this commencement
speaker on the agenda? What are they going? What would
they say is too important to ignore this? What she

(50:50):
said that mears the very words that the accused assassin
has said about Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
What is their rationale?

Speaker 4 (50:56):
Well, you know what, Greg would bothers me and I
think we as we discuss this. The one thing that
I keep always coming back to, These universities are supported
by our taxes, our money, Greg, you know, so think
about that U university sometime. You're supported by the hard
working dollars that are raised and paid for by utahn's

(51:18):
and we don't expect this very liberal approach to education.
You can have a liberal view, we're an opposed to that,
but make sure you treat the conservative side with respect
as well. And I don't think they do let's go
to David in Salt Lake City, who wants to weigh
in on this. David, how are you welcome to the
Rodd and Greg Show.

Speaker 15 (51:36):
Thank you so much, gentlemen for taking my call and
prayers for the astronauts discerning to Earth. I am outraged
at the situation at UVU, literally outraged, and I am
tired of our political leaders in the state saying nothing
and doing nothing. I'm calling on President at and Speaker

(52:00):
Schultz to circulate a letter among the legislators and send
that to UVU, the Board of directors, or whoever the president,
and get this thing stopped. The only people that should
be invited to speak at UVU for commencement should be
somebody from PPUSA or some high ranking person from the
Trump administration. That's it. This is outrageous and a mus stop,

(52:26):
and I'm calling on the students to boycott their graduation.
I've already contacted a couple that I know. I just
don't think this should happen. There should be massive civil
disobedience in front of that place, and this should not happen.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
I'm with you on that, David.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
As I recall Greg, it seems to me that Mike
that Mike Schultz has already commented on this.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Maybe I wrong.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
I know Mike Lee has and Mike basically said, what's
up with UVU? I mean, he's obviously said something about this,
and I thought I heard Mike Schultz say something. Maybe
I'm wrong on that.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Well, let me just say this, and I I haven't
seen it, but I wouldn't. It wouldn't surprise me if
the speaker Speaker Shouls did speak out on it.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
But let me just tell you.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
The caller is is clue. He is exactly right. Uh.
The legislative branch has the power of the purse. You
know who's going to get uv U's attention faster than
any other person in Utah. That the legislative leaders, who
they are going to go in the next session and say,
will you fund the largest institutional high state institution of
hire learning in the state, and and are in what

(53:29):
we're doing? They're going to have to look at those
lawmakers and make their best case why they are a good, uh,
an appropriate spend of taxpayer dollars. And so I think
those lawmakers, if they hear from their constituents or personally
feel that this is wrong. Boy, I tell you their
their their voice comes with a lot of weight.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
It's the taxpayer's voice, that's for sure. And I'm with you, Greg,
I just I get a sense the momentum is building
on this thing. I you know, I haven't even looked
to see when the commencement is taking place, but we'll
have time, and the university needs to hear from Utah.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
And so saying, wait a.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
Minute, Charlie Kirk was assassinated on your campus on September
tenth of last year, and in a matter of months,
you've got someone speaking at our commencement ceremony who was
critical of Charlie Kirk basically echoed the same opinions about
Charlie Kirk that his assassin echoed. How dare you let

(54:25):
this happen? And that message has got to be sent
to the Utah Valley University.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
It needs to be sent to him.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah, and let me just put a pin in that
I was a student at UVU back in nineteen nineties,
okayety I think it was ninety four ninety five. I
was the editorial editor of the college paper, The College
Times when it was UVSC. I didn't have anyone if
you went back and looked at it. I must not
have had a heart, because I you know, at Winston
Churchill saying, you know, if you're young and you're in

(54:54):
your conservative you don't have a heart. If you're older
and you and you're not conservative, don't have a brain.
I was a conservative editorial editor, and never once were
my right of center columns, weekly columns ever censored, or
was I ever treated poorly for the discussions that I
was a part of and the columns that.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
I would write.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
There was no problem at all when I was a
student there in the early nineties to be able to
be that kind of student or have that kind of debate,
that wouldn't I'd get thrown out of my year in
that university.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
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(55:48):
they put their lives online every day. They suit up
for work, not knowing whether they'll be able to come
home to their loved ones or at the end of
the day. Well, we had a story developed into Layer County, California.
I'm not sure where that is, but deputies went to
serve an eviction notice on a man. The suspect, fifty
nine year old David Eric Morales, resisted and resulted in

(56:09):
a seven hour standoff that left a deputy sheriff, thirty
five year old Randy Hopper dead well. At some point,
apparently Greg Morales exited the home through a window, found
a hiding spot where he continued engaging in gunfire with officers. Eventually, however,

(56:29):
he met his fate courtesy of a bear cat vehicle.
Sheriff Boudreaux of the county Sheriff's office there did not
mince words when describing the decision to run Morales over.

Speaker 16 (56:39):
We intentionally ran him over current County Sheriff's office. Don't
shoot at cops, You shoot a cops were going to
run you over.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
He got run over.

Speaker 8 (56:52):
He got what he deserved.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Wow, tough talk from that sheriff, Greg. He got what
he deserved.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Well, the man's willing a gun is still able to
shoot it in and hit someone, you have to do
something to put them down. And he's making their apologies
and I think you've got to have some more straight
talk like that.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
Yeah, it's quite the story down there, and like you know,
they'll probably be criticized. You know, couldn't you do something
other than run the guy over? But what choice did
they have? Like you said, Greg, you just kept on
shooting and shooting and shooting, And what choice did they have.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Why don't you ask the spouses of members of law
enforcement officers how they would like that handle when someone
is targeting and shooting at law enforcement officers, how they
would like that person treated. I'm sure it would be swiftly,
and that they would want that person not to be
able to do that as quickly as possible. So you
go ask the right people and you'll get the right
and you'll get the real answer.

Speaker 7 (57:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
Yeah, one thing we haven't touched on yet. Today, inflation
numbers came out. Inflation up about three point three percent,
the first real indication of the impact the wards having
the economy. And I think most people expected this, Greg,
I mean they know prices are going on. I think
Donald Trump and his team have got to work as
quickly as they can to get this situation settled down
and we get prices back, and it still may take

(58:06):
another month or two to bring inflation down, even though
I heard someone say today Greg that the economists here
in the country kind of are seen through the gas
price increase and looking beyond that or through that, and
they're looking at the arrest of the economy and they
say it's doing very very well, very well.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
I tell you, I'll tell you that I saw that
inflation important they had, of all people, Pete Bootage Edge Biden,
you know, Transportation secretary is saying gas prices are so
high and inflation is so high. Pal the gas prices
throughout the entire Biden administration with they were killing us
and you were laughing. You were saying, go buy an
electric vehicle, you know, like it wasn't even a problem.

(58:45):
How about nine percent inflation, former Secretary Buddhage Edge nine
percent inflation and you're going to go wag your finger
right now. It just shows that the Democrats really have
no They don't have a I don't know a foundation
on which to talk from or act from. They just
all they want to do is criticize and hope you

(59:05):
don't remember anything they actually did.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah, it's it's it's amazing.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Yeah, it's amazing for of all people to defend Joe Biden. Oh,
by the way, did you see Kamala say that she's
thinking about running again.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
I can only hope.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
I think that is a really good sign that might
actually get Republicans out in the midterms if they see
if they think she's coming back in any way, shape
or form.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Yeah, well she said she's going to. All right, We've
got a lot more to come. Our number three of
the Rotten greg Show with you on this Friday. Hope
you're planning to have a wonderful, wonderful weekend. We are
more coming up, as I mentioned now, our number three
of the Rodding Gregg Show on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine an rs.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
More coming up. Weather Night's down there, I bet it is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
You know, last night at about almost men I was
still like sixty seven degrees outside, and I think the
high today's eighty four.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
But yeah, it's nice. That's kind of well complain for me.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you, my kind of weather. Well,
let's talk about the Department of Homeland Security. Of course,
there was a lot of gorilla dust thrown up the
last couple of weeks over the possibility that ICE may
purchase a large warehouse here in Salt Lake City. They've
backed off on that, but that's just one of many
steps the new Department of Homeland Security head has done.
His name is Mark Wayne Mullen, replacing Christy Nomegreg. He's

(01:00:33):
taking some good steps.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
I think absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
I think what you're seeing now is good administration and
not giving the left opportunities to you know, make hay.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
Yeah. Well.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
Joining us on our newsmaker line right now to talk
more about what he's doing is Anna Garattelli. She is
with the Washington Examiner. Anna has been looking into this.
She covered this as part of her beat there in Washington. Anna,
it looks like Mark Wayne Mullen is moving very quickly.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
Is that right?

Speaker 12 (01:00:57):
He is moving very quickly, and cart of that is
undoing what Christinom his predecessor had put into place, as
well as just taking new approaches to policy, like how
they're going to target the sanctuary cities.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
And here's my question, there's a narrative out there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
When you saw Greg Ravino, it looks like that wasn't
an amicable party. I think some are worried that maybe
Trump is softening his position on the deportation and removal
of illegal aliens.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
What is your view of this? Is Mullen refining it?
Is he pairing back? What's the state of play?

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
So?

Speaker 12 (01:01:32):
Yeah, so Greg Bravino was a Border Patrol agent. He
wasn't the chief of Border Patrol. He was just a
chief they have twenty two or twenty one. Rather, he
was pulled by Christinoam and her cohort Corey Lewandowski to
a job that did not exist before they took office,
which his commander at large Border Patrol has prior to

(01:01:54):
the creation of DHS in the early two thousands, done
some interior in force, but they are not at all
rounding up people in public as they did this case.
They are targeted, so they know exactly who they're looking
for it they've been tracking this person, they probably have
a criminal history, they know where to find this person.
Then they'll help ICE and go in. What we saw

(01:02:17):
with Greg Leavino moving in and overseeing Border trow agents
in certain cities with ICE was his decision to just
do however he wanted to do it. There was no
coordination with ICE, and frankly, he put agents in some
very difficult places and the language did get out of hand.

(01:02:39):
And it is interesting because if you're Greg Levin over
Christine Elm, you're thinking, I'm appealing to Trump. I'm doing
it the way he would want to do it. And
it was only after the deaths of Renee Good and
Alex Pretty in January that the polling really really dipped.
And is it a coincidence that right after the White

(01:03:00):
House decided we're gonna we're going to push out Greg
Bavino from his space and we're going to you know,
start looking for a new job for Christino.

Speaker 7 (01:03:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
One point that you uh make in your article an
is that he's put a pause on ice plans to
buy warehouses. One of those warehouses is scheduled to be
built here or be it be constructed here in Salt
Lake City. As you well know, a lot of pushback
on that from mostly local officials. Even the governor said,
you know, he'll work with Ice on this. Why why

(01:03:31):
the push or why the let's hold off on these
uh these warehouses for now? Why did he decide to
do that? Any idea?

Speaker 12 (01:03:37):
Yeah, you know, I think it's two reasons. One, they
want to make sure that we actually need this space.
ICE has loads of money, loads is an understatement, tens
of billions of dollars that they received last year through
the big beautiful bill, and so there they want to
use that. They want to contract it out and expand
deportations because the first step is arresting someone. You have

(01:04:00):
to have somewhere to put them and hold them as
they go through deportations proceedings, and then you need a
way to actually remove them from the country. So if
arrests are going to continue to ramp up, the ICE
needs to space. So that's what they're trying to figure
out now. The second thing is they want to make
sure because Christinom and Corey Lewndouki had implemented this never

(01:04:22):
before implemented rule of all contracts in DHS over one
hundred thousand dollars have to be reviewed by.

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
Them and approved.

Speaker 12 (01:04:32):
The contract in Utah was overpaid by fifty million dollars,
and so instances like that that they want to look
at and see was this the best warehouse, why was
it paid? You know, was why were we blowing fifty million.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Dollars on this.

Speaker 12 (01:04:50):
Exactly. So they've got a lot of auditing to do
with DHS now, and Mullen seems to, you know, not
be delayed.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
He knows that.

Speaker 12 (01:04:58):
I think the agency leaders can do the jobs. They
know how to do their jobs, and he is there
to free them up and just give them some more direction.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
I think it was just a crude measure, but it
was understood that President Trump when he came into office,
felt that to actually try to repair what the damage
done during the Biden administration, you'd have to have so
many removals, deportations almost per day. The pace to try
and deal with this in a real way. It was
a pretty high bar. So you started to watch that

(01:05:28):
go out, and it was said that they were not
achieving those goals and that pace that they needed. There
were some changes at ice, There were some things happening
prior to you seeing the big changes with Secretary Nome
and the entry of Center Mullen. Anyway, is that still
what you think this administration is looking at or do
you think they're just looking at the most dangerous and

(01:05:49):
they're kind of maybe recalibrating what the definition of success is.

Speaker 12 (01:05:52):
Yeah, and that's what the fight is between the White
House and DHS. People like Tom Holman, who's now at
the White House, wants to see targeted enforcement, so going
after specific people who have criminal backgrounds, not just violent offenders,
because for someone who does human trafficking that's not considered
a violent offense, but people who have histories that are concerned.

(01:06:17):
But the other side is Stephen Miller. Last May had
called for three thousand arrests by ice every day and
we've averaged a little over actually, about a thousand arrests
per day, and so yeah, there's this infighting between quantity
versus quality. And under Biden, we had more than five
million people who came over the southern border illegally ultimately

(01:06:40):
get released into the country and while they're supposed to
go through court proceedings, we have one point four million
in the country right now who have been ordered deported
by a judge but didn't show up in court, and
so they're just loose in the country. So how do
you enforce that? And it's still we're still waiting to see.
I think Mullen is going to set course a little bit,

(01:07:04):
but you know what his approach is going to be,
quantity or quality and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
Garrett Telly from the Washington Examiner talking about the moves
that Mark way Mullen is making. I think those are
steps Greg, that the President wants to see happen as well.
I think Christy Noam, I don't think she managed this well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
No, there was problems. I think that the left pounced
on those. I don't know that they were as problematic
as a past administration. But with the left, you can't
give them any daylight. And I think they're correcting that
in real time.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
Yeah, they're trying to. All Right, more coming up. It
is the Friday afternoon edition of the Rod and Greg
Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five
nine cannus. Now, there is an interesting story out there
that Greg and I have discussed as well, is what
is going on with the American Federation of Teachers. I
think it's the largest teachers union in the country. It's
not very big here, is that, right?

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Greg? You would know more about this than I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
That's right. The American Federation of the Teachers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
They have a presence in the state of Utah, but
the Utah Education Association, which isn't affiliate with the National
Education Association ANYA, that is the teachers Union here in
the state of Utah primarily, and so they're the ones
that politically carry the biggest stick in Utah. But AFP,
I'm telling you they're cut from the same cloth. There's
no daylight between these teachers unions.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
Yeah, well, is the end in sight for the American
Federation of Teachers. We joining us on our Any Hour
Newsmaker line to talk more about that right now is
Madison Marino don. She is a policy analyst at the
Heritage Foundation. Madison, you've been looking into this. What are
you finding out about the future of the American Federation
of Teachers.

Speaker 7 (01:08:34):
Yeah, so, thanks Cher again for having me on the show.
But yeah, there was a recent national poll that found
a clear majority of Americans favor limiting politics in the classroom.
And I think that disconnect is especially clear when you
look at one of the largest unions in the country,
the American Federation of Teachers. They have one point eight
million members, making it one of the largest teachers unions
in the US. They've grown more visible for political activism

(01:08:55):
than for improving classroom outcomes. So in the last couple
of years, we've seen a lot of teachers want to
leave unions and join new organizations like the Teacher's Freedom Alliance.
So yeah, really really great things to see.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
So, you know, we had a bill passed a number
of years ago in our state legislature. It was called
paycheck Protection, And what it did is it instead of
the public schools when they were paying their teachers deducting
or taking their union dues before they got their check,
it required anyone that wanted to be a member of
union had to pay for that those union dues on

(01:09:28):
their own. We saw the membership roles of our teachers
union plummet when they actually had to cut the check
for membership in a union.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Is that a trend? Have you seen that before?

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Because it has changed I think the Teachers' union and
there at least their left leaning agenda has been muted
because you don't see as many people as members because
their money wasn't deducted from their paycheck. Is that something
that happens in other states? What's because that seems to
be a good way to see if people really know
what they're joining.

Speaker 7 (01:09:56):
Yes, yes, I think so. So post the Genus versus
the AFC AFFDMME case that was in twenty eighteen that
basically found the court rule that teachers can't be forced
to pay union dues of union dues if they opt out,
and so, I mean it didn't destroy the unions, but
it simply gave teachers a choice. And what we've seen
is that AFT membership has steadily declined since the Jan's decisions,

(01:10:20):
and the ruling really revealed how many teachers no longer
felt represented by the organization. So yes, that's definitely something
we've seen. I think there have been over twelve thousand
teachers just this year doing this new Teacher Freedom Alliance
and the non union alternative for teachers. So yeah, it's
definitely seeing something that we're seeing kind of across the
United States.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Madison.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
I think a lot of people in this country when
they think about the Teachers Union and the American Federation
of Teachers, they think of its president, Randy Winegarden. How
much of a polarizing figure is she and how much
is she starting to drive some teachers and maybe parents away.

Speaker 7 (01:10:53):
Yeah, well, you know what's really unfortunate is we've seen
so President Randy Winegartens recently spoke at a no King's
protest a f T. I know, a f T is
also known for their anti ICE advocacy that they've put out,
they've offered they also have offered official resolutions promoting LGBTQ

(01:11:13):
political frameworks, including taking positions on biological mails, competing in
girls sports. So they've just become more and more polarizing
and have focused more on political activism rather than improving
classroom outcomes. So very concerning that we've seen that shift
happen over the last couple of decades.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Recently, we had this anti ice you know, protests, and
we had a lot of schools where kids and they
want to say this is some spontaneous, grassroots thing, but
it certainly was not. It was well organized where students
walked out and really put themselves at risk in terms
of blocking traffic walking out during school hours. There's been
a robust discussion in Utah about those demonstrations that happened.

(01:11:50):
Is there any connection with that with AFT and teachers unions.
I know that they are sympathetic to these issues, anti ice,
lgbt Q issues, but are there any direct finger prints
over the most recent anti ice student walkouts that we
saw recently.

Speaker 7 (01:12:07):
You know, that's a great question. To be honest, I'm
not one hundred percent sure there is an organization to
the Defensive Freedom Institute. They have this teacher strike tracker,
and what they've been tracking since twenty ten, they found
that there have been over close to are more than
eight hundred and fifty thousand employees that have gone on strike.
There have been over one hundred and forty strikes across
thory states plus DC, and that has resulted in about

(01:12:30):
six hundred and seventy two days of lost instruction, so
nearly four full school years for kids. So, I mean,
that's just very concerning, even outside of what we're seeing
with some of these ice protests, but just kind of
the larger movement of you know, strikes in California and
elsewhere and what it means for our kids, blocking our
kids out of the classroom. That was very concerning.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
Well, speaking of blocking kids out of the classroom medicine,
does this go back to COVID days where you know,
the teacher junions, we're saying we don't want the kids
in class there, they're going to give each other COVID,
which we know was not true. Muchach of this do
you think goes back to COVID and that dissatisfaction people
may have sure that's a.

Speaker 7 (01:13:06):
Great question, you know, I think for some states. Obviously
some states were definitely closed longer than others. In California
and so many others, I think you saw was probably
one of the ones that opened up, you know decently
early in Texas and others. And what we know is
that the kids that were able to go back into
the classrooms earlier saw you know, much better academic gains

(01:13:27):
long term academic games than those who were you know,
kind of kept locked out of the classroom. And I
think part of the really like for parents that saw
what their kids were learning when they were being locked
out of the classroom. That's why we've seen so much
growth and kind of the education choice movement too, because
parents are going, oh, you know, the local public school
may not be the best option for me, and I
want to see what other educational choice options are available
to me. So that's also been kind of a you know,

(01:13:49):
takeaway from Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
That's exactly where I was going.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
I was going to My next topic was going to
be school choice, what's its future, because we've seen that
that has grown since COVID. There's been a lot of
states our state included with scholarship programs twis and task credits, vouchers,
whatever it may be. But backpack funding and student choice,
parental choice and education is gaining a lot of traction.
So does that mean what's the trajectory of that? I

(01:14:13):
guess my question is in the face of some of
the things the units have done or are doing, is
what do you think the prospects are of backpack funding
and parental choice and education.

Speaker 7 (01:14:23):
Yeah, I mean, I think we're seeing more and more
Red states, Republican states, you know, look to parents and
ask what do they want? And I think more and
more are basically choosing educational choice programs that give the
most flexibility for the parents to be able to customize
their child's education with their state tax payer dollars. And
so we have seen seventeen states have universal education saving
cut account programs. Now this you know, wasn't true two

(01:14:46):
or three years ago. So just fantastic growth in terms
of the ESA programs. And I think we're going to
continue to see that, especially as more kind of republican
red state governors looks of parents for additional advice and
additional movement there on our.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
New maker line Madison Done, she is with the Heritage
Foundation talking about the American Federation of Teachers. Our Listen
Back Friday segments coming up next right here on the
Rodden Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine Canterus. Is it still liberty Land down there? Do
you get the sense that liberty is strong down in
Washington County today?

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Yes, sir, I'm telling you that. I don't think the
name Washington was a coincidence. I think they named it
after George Washington and that's it. They're keeping that spirit alive.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Yeah, good for them, all right. One of the issues
that I know, Greg, you came across during your term
in the legislature. You hear about this all the time
here in the state of Utawn really around the country,
is the debate over the cost of childcare, affordable childcare.
My question is, Greg, is there such a thing? I mean,
what are people looking for?

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Not today? I'm telling you it's a racket. It's a
cottage industry. And because people essentially need it. You got
a lot of two parent working homes or single parent
homes where there has to be a solution here. And
it looks like to me people have taken advantage of
that of those circumstances for their own profit, and even
in trapping people in these entitlements where they create perverse

(01:16:08):
incentives to try and get out of it once they've
taken that forbidden fruit, so to speak.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
Well, earlier this week we had a chance to talk
with Joshua Slocum, he is a contributor to The Blades
also a podcast host, about an article he wrote, and
we asked him what he meant by the harmful entitlement
behind affordable childcare.

Speaker 17 (01:16:26):
And my response to that is it's absurd, it's abnormal,
it's out of step with history. And somehow we modern
people have convinced ourselves that the normal way of raising
children is not to raise them but to give them
to quote unquote professionals so that both mom and dad
can go out and have high flying careers, and especially
mom because if she has to raise her own children,

(01:16:48):
then it's sexism. I say, that's all nonsense, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
And I think that today where you have mobile you
can work from home, that you have teams, meetings, there's
a lot of different ways to work, it would lend
itself for a parent, especially I'm thinking single parents to
be home.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
So you've got that variable.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
But here's the other variable has then the left kind
of trapped people in this where if they were to
get a small raise, it wouldn't amount to the benefit
of childcare they're losing. They wouldn't be able to go
get that by their own paycheck. So it almost it's
almost a disincentive to work or to see a raise
because they've created these cliffs in social programs that really

(01:17:27):
create a permanent underclass. So I guess working working from
home and being more empowered to do so, but also
the trap of the underclass that social programs create. Are
those just still raging along?

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Are they? Are they slowing down at all?

Speaker 17 (01:17:43):
Oh, it doesn't look to me like it's slowing down
at all. It looks to me like it's accelerating. And
I'm a product of that. I mean, I grew up
in a home, a broken home, divorce, domestic violence, single mother,
resentful feminist, single mother who ended up dropping out of
the workforce and paying for everything on welfare and then
complaining that the government wasn't good enough to single mothers

(01:18:07):
and everything was terrible. I have seen from the inside
how this rots people. It SAPs their ambition, It allows
people to shirk their responsibilities and the people who lose here.
This is really what I was thinking about when.

Speaker 8 (01:18:21):
I wrote this article.

Speaker 17 (01:18:23):
We have got to put the needs of children back
in the center of the conversation. It disturbs me deeply
how we talk about this, because we talk about this
with out regard to what children need. We talk about
adult narcissistic desires. Adults call them needs. We need childcare. Now,
your child needs you. Your obligation is to your child,

(01:18:47):
not to you. Know your ambitions. Now, of course, we
know that there are many people, there are many families
who have to have two incomes. It shouldn't be that way,
but it is that way. You understand that they exist.
But a whole millions of people in this country claim
that they need to and comes to get by, and
they don't need them. They need them because they think

(01:19:10):
that the minimum lifestyle is a three thousand square foot house,
separate bedrooms for every child, two brand new SUVs in
the driveway, money for soccer practice and gymnastics needs. These
are not basic needs. They are they're frankly aristocratic luxury desires.
And I think we need to get back to understanding

(01:19:30):
that children need to be raised by their parents and
they need stability, They don't need an abundance of material possessions.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
Joshua, thank you so much for bringing up the children,
because I think they are an important part of this
discussion that really never gets discussed. Why don't we bring
up the impact on children? Why don't we bring that up.

Speaker 17 (01:19:49):
I'm afraid that you're not going to like my answer,
and this is the answer that I give on my
show every week, and it's all through my writing. We
have become a nation of clinical narcissists. And I mean
that I'm not using it metaphorically. I mean it literally.
We are the most intensely self centered, immature, narcissistic people
that we could possibly be. And even decent people, even

(01:20:13):
people who mean well, moms and dads who mean well,
have been seduced by this idea that do what you will,
no boundaries, no barriers, do what you want in your life.
This is especially true for women. Women have been given this.
It has stoked this sense of inadequacy in how many

(01:20:34):
times have you talked to a woman, You ask her
what she does, and she's ashamed to say. She'll say
something like I'm just a mother, I'm just a wife
and a homemaker. There's something wrong with that. Mother and
homemaker is probably the most important vocation on earth, and
we have degraded it, and we have made women who
do it feel like they are low status, and so

(01:20:56):
they feel like, I mean, I can hear my mother,
I can hear the echoes of my mother are yelling
in my childhood saying I could have been somebody if
I hadn't been saddled with three kids and no man
to help. Now that's extreme, I know, and not everybody's.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Like that, but that idea is running through all of this, right, Yeah,
you know, I maybe my algorithm's just Joshua. Maybe my
algorithm's just showing me that you know what I want
to see. But it seems to me that some women,
especially where education educational choice options are becoming spreading across
this country, where you can get a scholarship and deliver

(01:21:32):
education in very different ways which would allow for a
parent to stay home, the mobile work opportunities that are there.
There's a lot of women that I'm reading about that
is discovering this this truth, saying you know what I
was lied to. I was told I needed a career,
and I am looking around and I am with my
child or children, and this is the happiest I've been

(01:21:52):
in a long long time. And they're saying it too,
and so is there any I just I want to
believe that that is a movement, that is there's the
technology or whatever. Twenty twenty six looks like the opportunity
for parents to have one one of the two, or
if they're a single parent, to be able to stay
home or to be with their child children more is

(01:22:13):
actually coming to fruition.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Am I just is it just wishful thinking? I don't know.

Speaker 17 (01:22:19):
If it's wishful thinking, then I share your wish. I
hope that this is something we're coming to, and I
think there's a good possibility. Only time will tell.

Speaker 5 (01:22:27):
We're going to have to see where we go.

Speaker 17 (01:22:29):
But I do get a sense. I mean, you know,
I've made I've made my my sort of work to
talk about these problems because I do think that what
ails our society right now boils down to what we
call pathological narcissism. I think we're morally and spiritually distorted
right now. And I say this as a former leftist,
a former wokie, and one of those people who voted

(01:22:51):
Democrat until I woke up ten years ago and started
to see the world differently. So and if that happened
to me, I'm seeing it happen to other people too,
in their saying, something fundamental is missing from my life.
And what that is is a commitment to family, a
commitment to upright living, to putting children's needs first, and
for letting go of materialistic and egotistical expectations that the

(01:23:15):
modern world tells us we need. And you know that
doesn't mean that we're not going to go back to
We're not going to have June and Ward Cleve, but
we're not going to go back to this. Frankly, I
wish we would go back to the pioneer days because
I think the English family is a really way to
raise children and live your life. But we need to
go back to something that incorporates those historical norms that

(01:23:38):
were healthful for us spiritually and financially and as families.
And I think we might be on the cusp of that.
Because I'm hearing from these people too. I'm not the
only former liberal who woke up. They come to me too,
I hear it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
Yeah, yeah, quick question, is is there one thing we
could do immediately to fix I mean, it's a very
complex problem.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Maybe maybe it isn't. Was there one thing you would
do to fix it right away?

Speaker 17 (01:24:01):
Josh, it would take waving a magic wander. I'm probably
not going to get it, but one thing I can
think of is get rid of no fault divorce.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
Josh Slocum from The Blaze, talking about the horrible impacts
of affordable childcare. Well, Greg, there is a new name
for some weird looking folks out there, especially in the
high school level.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
We're all talking about that coming up there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
I can't keep up with these kids, these crazy kids
they got they got new fads all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
I never get the memo and new names.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
And we'll tell you what that is all about, coming
up on the Friday evening edition of The Rotting Greg
Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine. Can terest
Let's go back to Jason for a news updates.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
You've heard of.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
Yuppies, you've heard of baby boomers, gen zers, you name it. Well,
apparently there is now a new name for a group
of high school students in the country.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Greg. These are kind of the pink haired, pierced deer
kind of folks.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Yeah, it's say a complicated name with a complicated history.
So we need someone to sort this out.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
And to help us sort us out. Our good friend
of Goose and Meyra, an English teacher, also seeking your
contributor at the Federalist. All Right, new group of people
out there, a goose? Exactly who are they and what
name have they been given?

Speaker 14 (01:25:08):
Diner Goths? They are called diner goths and this is
basically the gen z. So these are people and their
teens and in their twenties.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
So what's the point, Like, I mean, what's what's what's
the what's the rally call? What's okay?

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
They like the Internet, but that's if they're in your
English class. Ord, I don't think they're heads inside the
they're online?

Speaker 7 (01:25:34):
So what is it that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
How do they run in this pack? Like, pretend it's
this mutual of omaha? Tell us about this species and
where they grat? How do they come together and what.

Speaker 5 (01:25:43):
Do they do?

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Well?

Speaker 14 (01:25:45):
They're they're heavily influenced by anime. And so back when
I was a kid, anime was pretty nerdy and you'd
get beat up if you watched anime. But now it's
socially acceptable and a lot of kids do it, and
it's very very popular, and so they do their crazy
color hair, and some will go further and do the
tattoos and piercings, and they will do weird fashions.

Speaker 5 (01:26:08):
You know, nothing like you scaer.

Speaker 14 (01:26:09):
Well it's ugly, I don't know, I mean, it just
looks like the characters. But I mean it's very it's
childish in a lot of ways. But these are people
that are old enough to work. These are older people
that are kind of starting their careers, and yet they've
made themselves kind of like into this freakish look. It's
not flattering in any way, and a lot of it

(01:26:33):
to me, at least the way I interpret it, so
that it's called diner goth. So you know, like the
goth kids that act like vampires back in the day.
Well now it's kind of gotten fruity and they're more
a little bit more colorful, but it's diner goths, so
diner as in like they're usually middle class, working class,
so it's not really a way to show status either.
So I mean, but this has become a lot more common,

(01:26:56):
and they are online a lot. That's the other thing.
I mean, you you kind of joke about it, but
they were on phones they are on the screen, and
during COVID was especially a big year for them because
they were on the screen all the time and so
there their grasp on reality. You know, there's not a
lot of self consciousness about it because they're so online.

(01:27:16):
They're like, oh, this this works, and so they can
kind of make believe.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
So when you say pier are we talking like two
earrings in the ear? You're talking when you say peer stuff.
There's a lot of different piercings. Yeah, there's different piercings
and numbers of piercings. What when you say pier stuff,
what would be an average piercing of a diner goth.

Speaker 14 (01:27:38):
Well, I mean I see more of the younger people.
I don't know if they get as many piercings. They
get on around their ear obviously they want to look
like elves, or they get in their nose, or they
get it in their belly button, or they get it
in other places. I mean, tattoos are really big too.
If you ever go out, I mean, or go to
a mall, I mean, these people are horribly defaced. There's

(01:27:58):
graffiti all over their boxy.

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:28:01):
Yeah, I've always wondered on the tattoos if people realize
what tatoo's tattoo is going to look like when they
turn seventy.

Speaker 14 (01:28:08):
No, do they think what you like when you were
five years old? Do you still want to have that
now that you're fifteen or whatever? Yeah, that's what I
tell them that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
Yeah, Now you say they're they're influenced by a show
or something called anime.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
I don't know what that is, what exactly is that?
And I don't know what that is.

Speaker 14 (01:28:25):
Oh my gosh, this is Japanese animated show. Okay, these
have become a lot more popular, and not just Japan.
There's like k Pops they have animation as well movies.
So yes, this is what they're watching. And again the
gender gap is also a big thing. There's not really
much of a precedent for the diner goth thing. It's

(01:28:46):
all from online. It's pretty global. I mean, it's not
even like American or derived from anything, you know, local,
it's all just it kind of transcends geographical boundaries and
it's just all over. It's a generational thing and it's
just awf on the Internet and a lot of it. Yeah,
it's the Japanese anime animation. Uh, their cartoons, manga and

(01:29:09):
uh yeah, and and to me again, my big thing
with the diner goth and why I really don't approve
of it. It's like, Okay, kids are all going to
have their style and be influenced by things, but this
one is kind of anti social and it's anti reality,
you know. So there's a little bit of a live
action role playing, like they're they're just kind of playing
make believe to be like these characters, and they're not

(01:29:30):
really engaging with reality. They're not dating, they're not asking
people out, they're not going out with friends. I mean again,
they're just kind of catering to this kind of online
persona that they're creating, and a lot of it's just
kind of imaginary.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
I'm a little older than you is speed Speed speed
Racer Japanese anime.

Speaker 14 (01:29:49):
There you go, speed Racer.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
But that's that was a good cartoon.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
That wasn't weird, was it?

Speaker 14 (01:29:56):
Well, it's gotten a lot more graphic and adult speed
race or an astroboy in.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
School a goose. Do you see them hanging around with
each other? I mean, you're an English teacher, do you
see this a lot of the high school level and
them hanging around with each other.

Speaker 14 (01:30:11):
You know, they're in proximity with each other, but I
don't think the links are very strong. So I mean
that they're all kind of misfits, you know, and that's that,
you know. Again, that's kind of my criticism of the
diner goth thing. It doesn't bring people together and like
over we're all, you know, helping each other out. It's
more just kind of know, you're off on your own,
you're a loof. I mean, maybe you connect with people

(01:30:33):
just through things that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:34):
You're a fan of.

Speaker 14 (01:30:35):
So a lot of them are kind of group by fandoms,
by groups of fans of a particular show or a
movie or a band or something. So no, it's not
really a cohesive type of you know, aesthetic.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Is it just a circular I mean, does does this
go anywhere in terms of trajectory or are they just
gonna just stay to themselves just you know, just just
be quiet and just stay online and we won't notice
them because they just kind of are insular. Or does
this grow in some way?

Speaker 14 (01:31:04):
We don't know, I mean it doesn't. Well, it kind
of capitizes their dreams. I mean they're losers. So how
do you get a job? How do you get a spouse,
how do you kind of live out your dreams? You know,
you just kind of because you're consumed by this kind
of you know, slop. So I mean, I don't think
it's gonna perpetuate itself. I think it's a trend like

(01:31:26):
any others, and it'll get old and people kind of
start laughing at it like we are. But for the
time being, I mean, you do have a good a
sizeable number of people that have kind of bought into it,
and I think they're going to have some regrets for sure.
You know, you hope they get out of it. Well,
it's not very fulfilling, you know. I mean it's imagine
being a goth or a punk. I mean, yeah, you

(01:31:47):
have that time and then you kind of grow out
of it. You can here too, but it's going to
leave a mark for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
Now I can tell my co host Greg Hughes is
really getting into this. What you take for him to
become a diner goth?

Speaker 11 (01:32:02):
Now?

Speaker 15 (01:32:03):
What what?

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
What would he need to do? A goost?

Speaker 14 (01:32:06):
He needs to spend a lot more time on the internet,
watch a lot more anime so that Japanese animation shows
and uh, you know, just kind of quit his job,
break family for a while and just spend a lot
more time online and just kind of engage with that

(01:32:26):
culture and you know, pick up their vocabulary and you know,
maybe dye his hair, get some piercing, get a tattoo.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
Oh, he's so excited over this right now, he's going
to be going to the tattoo shop when we get
to the show.

Speaker 5 (01:32:41):
Done.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
It seems to be at It's a long name.

Speaker 14 (01:32:46):
Yeah, well I didn't make it. I mean it comes
from an article that went viral, and it's about a guy.
He talks about his diner goth girlfriend, and he's just
kind of getting into this culture that's really been dominant.

Speaker 7 (01:32:57):
In gen Z.

Speaker 14 (01:32:58):
Yeah, so, I mean I kind of respond to it,
and I just talk on it from my end as
a teacher when I see this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
You know, I love that you report on what you're
seeing on the Otherwise this would have gone right over
my head. I didn't know any of this was a thing,
So appreciate your front lines reporting. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
I'm going to ask what I can.

Speaker 4 (01:33:15):
I'm going to ask my grandchildren, who are now and
almost into high school, if they run into any of
these kids right now.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
I bet they do.

Speaker 14 (01:33:23):
They do once you kind of, once you read about
it and learn about it, you see it everywhere. It's
one of those types of things you can't unsee it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:30):
Now. Oh wow, they take the place of ferries or furries.

Speaker 4 (01:33:33):
Got our furry's gone now? Agost or furries or are
they still hanging around?

Speaker 14 (01:33:37):
No, they've been incorporated into Dinogothus.

Speaker 5 (01:33:41):
They're very tender.

Speaker 14 (01:33:41):
It's actually fluid. I guess you should have mentioned that.
Wonderful everything is possible now.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
An English teacher down in the Dallas area, also a
contributor at the Federalists, talking about a new name for
a weird internet addicts love it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
A Federalist contributor who's also an English teacher, seeing these
kids every day.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
What a great conduit of communication it is.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
All right, that does it for us tonight and for
this week. We'll be back starting on Monday. Greg safe
travels home over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
We'll talk to you Monday.

Speaker 4 (01:34:12):
Well, all right, head up, shoulders back. May God bless
you and your family. Have a great weekend. Everybody. We'll
see you on Monday.

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