The Rod and Greg Show: No Kings Can't Be Repeated; Do Americans Understand Melting Pot?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I love that there was sports to watch. There was
a great weekend.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
That basketball game yesterday was amazing.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
The weather was good. Eat it up a little bit. Yeah,
I did a little golf.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
So long and straight never.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
You know, so boring, that whole long and straight stuff.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
I mean, yeah, you like you're you're, you're you kind
of like adventures and golf, that's right.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
You know, greens and regulation. I like greens and negotiations. Okay,
I like, you know, take my my putter or my
wedge with my butter, every green or else. You know,
I feel empty handed. Yeah. Yeah, So well.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm glad you had it. Yeah, probably listeners did too.
This is uh, this is spring break week staring in school. Yeah,
a lot of people out of town and join the holiday.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah yeah, no, it's it's in the weather. It couldn't
be more cooperative at least right now.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, it's not going to be that way for long.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Really.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, the weather folks are saying starting tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Really, a few bad days was a fair of bad news.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
No, I'm just I'm just sharing fact.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
I'm looking at it now. Yeah, you can see fifty
chance of rain tomorrow. Yeah, at sixty three.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's we have had rain for what two three weeks?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
It's seventy two. Who's yeah, I guess who's county Wednesday?
Ninety percent chance of rain? I have fifty six.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, gonna be a little chili, going to
be a little chilli. Well, we've got a lot to
talk about coming out of the weekend. Uh, the no
King's thing?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Oh was this a clown show? Actually, I apologize the clowns. No,
I apologize the clowns. To call this a clown show
would to be this to disparage clowns. And this what
this debacle, this spectacle was something totally different, on a
different level, and it was I don't know. I don't
know who they think they're persuading with these these rallies,

(01:37):
but I don't know. I think it has a recoil effect.
I look at that, and I think a lot of
America either Americans have no idea went on, or they
watched it and they just shook their heads and went, oh,
it could be okay, Because I mean, I think the
average age was one hundred and three. Of those that
were out there, a lot of walkers, a lot of
water like walkers, a lot of canes a lot of

(01:58):
you know, a lot of assistance going on to help
people really speak their minds.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Well, we'ren't be talking about that throughout the day. We're
also going to be talking about do Americans really understand
the melting pot? You know, we've always been described as
a melting pot?

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, yeah, no, do we know what that means? I
heard someone actually challenge that and say, I don't think
we're a melting pot. I think we're a stew and
I'm not really I think we're a melting pot.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Are we a melting pot? Well, we'll get into that
a little bit later on. The Attorney General Derek Brown
will join us, and we'll also talk about how, you know,
the Demos could win the mid terms if the Republicans
let them the wait things are looking at right now?

Speaker 1 (02:37):
I think they are, well, my goodness, last week's stunt,
I mean they the regime media put a bow on it.
They've been able to say it's the House. It's a
Republican Senate and a Republican House that aren't getting long
and that's why Department of Homeland Security is closed. Technically,
they're right. The Democrats is a minority, have forced all this.
But if you've got a majority leader in the Senate
that just decides to escape out of town without talking

(02:59):
to the majority in the House or Speaker Johnson, Yeah,
it does look like this is a Republican problem. Yeah,
and then that I think that was a chilling effect
on turnout in the mid term. Four Republicans, if you
don't see anything worth wanting to send back, you might
you wouldn't vote a Democrat, but you might not show up.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Well, what's what you've seen going on in the Senate? Now, Greg,
why why would you want to send him back?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
It makes me sick. This whole thing about how important
sixty votes are to actually be able to vote on
a bill. I kept count that night. It was three,
it was five at three am. That is the That
is a combination somehow that that works. Five people at
three am and you don't need a you don't need
a sixty vote, you know, to beat the filibuster. You

(03:40):
just need five people at three am.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, well, we're all talking about that. We've got a
lot to get to today. We invite you to be
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All Right, the best line the day in describing the
No Kings protests. Right, you're ready for this one?

Speaker 4 (04:04):
I love this.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Here's what he wrote. The author was Kevin Downey with
PG Media. If you woke up to the overwhelming stench
of ben gay and cat urine, that can only mean
one thing. Your neighborhood has been invaded by a No
King's brigade consisting largely of the fuddled elderly people and
salid dodging broads whose armpit hairline stretched to their upper lips.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah you know, but it's so true. Yeah, leave it
to the old old geezers that have had theirs. They
get their retirement, they got everything set up. You get
these young people looking around going well, we're thirty nine
trillion in debt, how's that going to work? And yeah,
of course the old people they're protests. Here's the deal.
If you don't want Trump, if it's like, no more Trump,

(04:52):
what are you saying about elections? Given that he won
with seventy seven million votes? Are you saying it elections
ought to be overturned. I mean, how would you like
to deal with Trump? If that's the king that you're
talking about, If that's who they think it's king, How
would they like an election a duly elected president to
go away? What is it do they? I mean, because
you know, I would think it would be very monarch

(05:14):
like to overthrow or to stay when you're not supposed to.
But this guy got elected by the people. And these
no Kings protesters, I don't know how they I don't
know what their mechanism is for doing what they say
they want to do.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Well, I don't know what they're protesting, Greg. I mean,
many of you probably have seen interviews with the protesters
around the country, and they still can't come up with
an answer as to what they're trying to do.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
You know what it is? You know. I've had people
I saw some interviews where they said, boy, this looks
really not very diverse. You're very white and old. And
they'd say, oh, well, we're here for all the minorities
because they couldn't they would couldn't be here.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
They're too big fit.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
But if you ask them to articulate it, they say
they struggle case some points to this.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
So what brings you out there?

Speaker 2 (05:57):
No King's Day?

Speaker 5 (05:58):
And why specific are you out supporting? No king set?

Speaker 6 (06:02):
I think protest is important.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Why are you protesting?

Speaker 2 (06:09):
How much time do you have a couple of minutes?

Speaker 5 (06:13):
And what's the main reason you're out here protesting President Trump?

Speaker 6 (06:16):
You with a lot of the decisions that are being made.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
Is there any decision in particular you disagree with?

Speaker 6 (06:23):
Were? Okay? So I would start with, well, I don't
even think I don't even think it's appropriate for me
to have this interview.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
She she can't think of one thing she's protesting, and
then she, you know, panics saying well, I shouldn't be
talking to you anyways.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Why not is that something else?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
It is amazing, It is amazing, It.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Is, it really is. And I don't think that's an outlier.
I think if you were to ask a lot of
the people, they just want to protest and want protest,
and when you say Trump, they just say bad and
orange man bat And I don't think they get any
more detailed. Now well, you know, they go back to
his indictments or something. They but none of it is
I don't know, it doesn't doesn't sound compelling me.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
They dress up in frog outfits, in bug outfits.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I saw them crawling on all fours of purple hair
because they were trolls. I mean, it's it's quite the spectacle.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
In summarizing all of this, Greg, I think the best
description came from Scott Jennings on CNN. Listen to how
you describe No King's.

Speaker 7 (07:26):
Days, No King's rallies actually look pretty representative to me
of the Democratic Coalition. I saw people flying the hammer
and sickle in New York City.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
I saw Hezbolla.

Speaker 7 (07:34):
Flags, I saw Hamas flags, I saw Palestinian flags, I
saw trans signs. I see weirdo liberal boomers out there.
This is pretty representative of the Democratic Coalition, and that's
who funds it as well.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
By the way, and so.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
I think, I think, I think, I think if.

Speaker 7 (07:50):
America looks at this and says, what did the two
parties stand for?

Speaker 2 (07:53):
They got it by Scott hit it right on the head.
Did you see an American flag at any of these protests?
I don't think I do. Did you know.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
They couldn't a flag? Well, they did have it, No,
I did see a ton of communist flags.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
So the American flags, no, wow.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
And they're not even embarrassed about it. They are embracing it.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, they don't get well. And the real story on
this if people look and Fox News has the story
out on this today, I think Greg, they're twenty or
thirty organizations, various organizations around the country who came up
with three billion dollars to plan this event. So when
people say, well, it's organic, it's people just taking to
the streets and expressing their displeasure for Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
B s.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
My fear is. I used to think that these billionaires
poned up their own money. I think they get for
Doade showed us that they get a lot of this
from federal dollars if they washed through a bunch of
universities and nonprofits and send it over to these activists.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
So what do you think they're doing. Are they trying
to but with these large rallies all around the country,
are they trying to scare the American people or show
the American people that a lot of Americans are up
that with Donald Trump and the Republicans, so we should
just get rid of all of them. That what they're
trying to do.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, I think they're trying to foment fear. I think
they're trying to do. I think they're trying to erode
or destroy our foundational you know, our institutions. And I
think that they really think that if you make people
that you can at you can compel behavior by making
them afraid or creating chaos. And they think, and no
one holds it against the authors of chaos, but create chaos, fement, fear,

(09:26):
get your way. That's what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
That's what they're doing. You're right on, all right, We've
got a lot to get to today. Good to be
with you on this Monday afternoon. It is the Rod
and Gregg Show on Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine.
Can arrest One of the issues, of course, maybe the
biggest issue in this country right now continues to be immigration.
Now a lot of times, you know, you hear people
say we are a nation of immigrants, or we're a
melting pot. But do they really understand what a melting

(09:48):
pot is? What we mean by a melting pot. I
don't know if I could give a clear definition of it,
could you?

Speaker 1 (09:54):
You know what I had in my head what it was.
But then I read our next guest's column, and I said,
you know what this is actually a little bit more interesting,
a little bit different.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Thought it was well joining us on our any hour
newsmaker line is Gil Gera is a senior policy analyst
at the niskin In Center. Joining us. Like I said
on our news line, Gil, how are you welcome to
the Rod and Greg Show. Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Thank you very much for having me on.

Speaker 8 (10:16):
You know, it's not every day I get on a
phone call with someone whose voice is deeper than mind
rods experience.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
When that's something that Rod Joyce is, it's like butter
that thing. All right?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Well, Gil, let me ask you when we would you know,
we hear this term we're a melting pod. You look
at it differently than I've seen in the past because
you look at marriages a melting pod. Can you explain that.

Speaker 8 (10:38):
The way that I think assimilation has been studied before.
We look at things like what kind of jobs are
people taking? Are they learning English at the rates that
we would like them to? But for me, I was
really interested in marriage for a couple of reasons. What
is that it's easier to measure using the kind of
data that we actually have available throughout the census. But
also for me, marriage is something that is really kind

(10:59):
of a hard measure of whether or not immigrants are
actually leaving their culture. If you are raising your children
with someone who's from a different ethnic origin than yours,
if you're a recent immigrant, you have kind of signaled
that you are going to be raising that child and
forming the most intimate relationship in your life with someone
who is not.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
From your own culture.

Speaker 8 (11:18):
So I really think that for the United States, you know,
whether it's immigrants and their children coming here and their
children marrying into people from a different ethnic origin. For example,
I thought a lot of marriages between the children of
German immigrants and the children of Irish immigrants, or whether
they're marrying someone whose family has been the United States
for much longer. For me, I thought that was a
better measure of assimilation than some of the more traditional

(11:39):
ones that we oftentimes think of.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
So this is what's fun about your research on this.
I would have said, much like you point out in
the article. I would have said, the Ellis Island moment.
You know, when you look at New York City, when
you look at some of these north west or northeastern
state and large metropolitan aias, maybe this is where the
immigrants were together they were assimilating learning English. But your
data show that there's spots in this country where real

(12:02):
the real melting pot, or leaving one's ethnicity made marrying
outside of it. It goes on much more than in
those that northeastern portion of the United States.

Speaker 8 (12:13):
Right, And you know, I promise I'm not just pandering
to your local audience, but you genuinely did really well
for a number of reasons. I think that what I
found really helped people and the children of immigrants assimilate
through marriage was being able to one either have a
strong regional culture they could marry into. Obviously with Utah,
there were a lot of immigrants who are connected to

(12:33):
the Church of Latter day Saints who came and already
had that kind of connection that superseded that ethnic origin.
But also I think the West just gave people more
distance from some of the kind of ethnic neighborhoods that
really dominated in the Northeast. An you think of all
the Irish and Italian neighborhoods in places like New Jersey, Connecticut,
New York. I think that really created a lot of

(12:54):
pressure within those communities to marry, you know, say, a
nice local girl from the neighborhood instead of going across
town and marrying someone from a community, let alone actually
marrying someone from say the kind of American Anglo Saxon
population that was oftentimes a totally different social class, totally
different economic class in some of these cities.

Speaker 9 (13:14):
So the West was really.

Speaker 8 (13:16):
Equalizing and had a great blend I would say of,
you know, both community values but also a bit more
individualism in that regard.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Gil, Are the assimilation patterns different today than what you
I think you looked at eighteen eighty to nineteen thirty,
or that's one of the aspects you study. Are they
different today? Are we still immigrants in this country marrying
into their own culture or going outside their culture?

Speaker 9 (13:39):
You know?

Speaker 8 (13:39):
I think it's hard to say, because and the census
you stopped asking people where their parents were born. We
knocked that list off the question several decades ago, So
it's much harder to measure. I think there's an active
debate among conservatives on what the problems in assimilation are.
I think some conservatives think that the children of immigrants
aren't assimilating at all, and some of them think that

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they are assimilating, but they're kind of assimbling into the
wrong culture, and I fall into that ladder camp because
you know, as a relatively young person, you know, I'm
a Spray twenty eight now as of last week. My
experience has been that, and I'm also that most of
my parents are immigrants as well. My experience has been
very much the case that people in my generation oftentimes

(14:21):
have very left leading views. There's been a decline that
is noticeable and is measurable and nonsensus data, but in
polling data where they're less proud to be Americans, they
have less gratitude for the country. So my concern is
more that some of the things generally that made the
immigrants the children of immigrants of yesteryear assembly well, which

(14:42):
was strong national pride, strong regional culture, having the West
as this region where you could kind of go and
leave all of your old ties behind. Think about it now,
you know, the West is no longer really that kind
of a frontier. Now we have the Internet, which allows
people to stay in touch with the cultures and customs
back home. And if you are assimilating into a youth culture,
you're assimbling into a lot of culture that I've been

(15:03):
really influenced by left of ideas. There's no longer as
much I would say prior to be an American, there's
no longer this kind of desire it to be part
of a whole and to contribute and to sort of
be grateful. I think that conservatives can do a better
job of making young people kind of feel that patriotism.
Obviously they're also great organizations that do that, but that's.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
More of my concern, you know, Gil, to your point,
I mean, melting pot is what I've always described, or has.
America has always been described that way for me, and
I've had a visual of what that means. And we
all come together from whatever part of the world we come,
we all become Americans. I started to hear this term,
and it kind of tracks with what you're saying with
the younger people. We're not a melting pot. We're a stew,

(15:43):
and a stew is very different than a melting pot.
Tell me, can this country continue to thrive as Americans
if we start to see ourselves not as a melting
pot but really as a stew.

Speaker 8 (15:53):
I think so in some ways, you know, I think
that again, for me, the really big problem is that
at some point in the late twentieth century, the left
in this country really turned away from embracing assimilation and
trying to make immigrants and their children basically Americans, and
so promoting an idea of multiculturalism that was really closed off. So,

(16:14):
for example, you know, there's this idea of cultural appropriation,
and there's this sense that if you ever do anything
that is kind of an interest in someone else's culture,
you know it's insensitive, and that you know, we should
have these kind of rigid cultural barriers. For me, one
of the things I love about this country is that
you can have people here who have in some ways differences,
whether it's you know, in say language to some degree,

(16:37):
but you know, mainly things like food, in music, and
things that are more cultural in that respect, but they
can still have the same underlying values because obviously these
things vary even by region the United States. But I
think that we should get back to the thing that
is really beautiful for me about assimilation is how we
can have some of these roles with these superficial differences,
but still be united by an underlying American spirits, by

(17:00):
underlying American ideals. And I really wish that we could
get back to a point of the country again especially
with people on the left, where we acknowledge that the
thing that really makes a similation, you know, a beautiful
and powerful thing, is how it highlights the things that
we still have in common and not the things that
we actually have to make us different.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Coming. I wish we could get back there as well. Gil,
thank you for a few minutes of your time today.
Enjoy the rest of the day. Thank you, Gil.

Speaker 8 (17:24):
All right, thank you very much.

Speaker 9 (17:25):
All right.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Joining us on our newsmaker line. That's Gil Gera. He
is with the niskan and Center talking about the Americans
really understand a melting pot.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
All right.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
When we come back on the Rotten Greg Show, we'll
talk more about the No Kings protest right here on
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Okay, an I
all right, let's talk more about the No King's rally
because we're still trying to figure out what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Yes, yeah, well it was something. It was about some joke.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
It's a joke, I think, is what it is.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Well.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line, digging more into this
is Tim O'Brien. Tim, of course, is a munications and
crisis management consultant and a contributor at PJ Media. Tim,
how are you and welcome to the Rodden Greg Show.
Thanks for joining us, Tim.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Oh, Tim, I'm doing great. I hope you guys are
doing well. Nice to see. Nice to talk to you again, Roal.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yes, Greg, Yeah it is Tim.

Speaker 10 (18:15):
Tim.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
I want to read you a headline. I think this
was in Fox News today. Five hundred groups with three
billion dollars in revenue are behind the No King's protest.
Apparently it is not such an organic effort, is.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
It, Tim, No.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
In fact, I used that same statistic in the article
that you guys read, and I think that's just a
tip of the iceberg. That's what we know about. But yeah,
three billion dollars is not very organic at all.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
So you look at some of the images across the country,
aside from people in frog outfits and people walking on
all fours in purple hair and dressed in pearple, being trolls,
and just some of the spectacle of all of this,
it didn't look you had pockets where there seemed to
be a high attendance. But I don't think if you
were to look at it broadly, you saw America just
rise up. What would you attribute maybe the sparse attendance

(19:07):
in many places and maybe a little less enthusiastic. H
I don't know response from those that were protesting as
well as those of us watching. What do you think
this this no kings things run its course?

Speaker 4 (19:20):
But yeah, I think uh, I think it ran its
course before they started because it was so it was
it was totally fabricated. It was it was budgeted. So
you can only get so many people to do things,
even for money, because they're not paying individual people a
lot of money. Of that three billion dollars there, it's
getting spread around a lot. And I think what happened

(19:43):
on Saturday. Saturdays are a slow news day, That's why
they picked that day. But the weather's getting nice springs
coming out March madness. We're in the middle of that,
and uh, and people want to pay attention to other
things that are more fun or more interesting than this.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Tim let me ask you, you look at these protests,
and I think it was Commentator Scott Jennings pointed this
out earlier today, basically saying, you look at the protest,
you see Palestinian flags, you see AMAS flags, you see
communist flags, you don't see any American flags. What in
your opinion. Does all this say about the state of
the Democratic Party in America today?

Speaker 4 (20:24):
They're anti American. I think that, you know, symbolism matters
to them. That's why they tore down statues that they
didn't like, and that's why they silent speech that they
don't like. Symbolism does matter to them. So when you
don't see an American flag at these protests, there's a
reason for that. And I'm not saying there are a

(20:46):
lot of gullible followers that are involved with this the march,
in these marches, and they don't even realize it. They
don't realize that they're being used, you know, in that
term useful idiot. I hate that. I don't want to
called the protesters all idiots, because I think a lot
of them are well meaning people but are gullible, and

(21:07):
I think that's what happens here with a large number
of people. But at the same time, I think the
leaders are definitely anti American, and to them, it's a
beautiful thing to see those communist flags and those every
flag but the United States of America's flag.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
You know, you point out and Rod's mentioned the stats
that you got billions of dollars that it's getting pumped
into this very well organized astro turf movement at the
same time. And this is why I'm just curious your
opinion Tim about this, because I saw this online, but
I don't know whether to trust it or not. In Washington,
d see, it appeared there was a pro Trump, pro
Iranian people, anti regime rally that had a ton of

(21:47):
people that were protesting, and they did this contrast where
they showed some of the No Kings demonstrations with this
organic you know, doesn't have that kind of money actual
Saturday demonstrate and it seemed to be far more populated
a lot louder. Did you see that as well? Was
that real or is that just Ai messing with me?

Speaker 4 (22:09):
No, that's for real. I saw one post in particular
that reinforces what you just said. There was this one
post on x where a young Iranian woman from Iran
was confronting someone else in England at one of these protests,
and the very English woman carrying the Palestinian flag and

(22:32):
the sign was confronted by this Iranian woman and it
was supposedly this you know, anti war protest against the
war in Iran, but she was carrying a Palestinian flag
and the woman from Iran, it was a beautiful thing.
What she said, just basically saying, you have no clue
what you're even doing here. I know why you're here

(22:54):
because I came from that country. My family was persecuted
by the people that we're at war with, and we
want those bombs to hit those people, the leaders in Iran,
And that's what she was saying. And I think to
your point, I think that, yeah, that protest in favor
of the Iran I don't want to say war, but

(23:16):
the Iran corrective action, because I don't think Trump wants
this thing to last. But I think for what Trump's
trying to accomplish there with neutralizing the nuclear threat, I
think people want that. And I think the people from
Iran and people who care about the people in Iran,
they would love to see a government in Iran that
wasn't so oppressive.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Tim. As I was watching some of the video from
the protests there yesterday, we saw people dressed up as frogs,
dressed up as bugs, dressed up as just about anything
you can imagine. Do you think these protesters are These
people who showed up yesterday realized that Americans are laughing
at them and not with them, And do you really

(23:59):
think they care that are.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
I think these are the kind of people that are
used to being laughed at, even without the costumes. No,
it really attracts a strange group of people. And I mean,
you know, I don't think it's any coincidence that these
people are like this and we had furries who assassinated

(24:24):
Charlie Kirk. I mean, there is a fringe element out
there that feels enabled by the Democrats, and they are enabled,
but they're also being used by the Democrats. And it's
a cynical thing for me to say, but I think
that's the type of person that's wearing those frog outfits
out there. It's just strange.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, it's curious. Tim has always right chatting with you.
Thank you. I know we'll be chatting to get down
the road. Thanks Tim for your time today. Thank you
all right. Tim O'Brien, contributor at PJ Media. I heard
someone describe the Marchester or this protest yesterday as the
march of the malcontents.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Well that's one way to pretty much just something. Yeah,
I got other terms, but it's a family radio, so
I will I will just leave it that.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, now content now contens. The Rod and Greg Show
rolls along on this Monday afternoon right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one on five nine. Canteris stupid? Is a stupid?

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Does that? In Life's like a box of chalks like a.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Box of chocolate's you remember that? Well, I've never seen
video like this. You know, we're all looking at this today,
going you are kidding me, right, But what it is
is a judge in Michigan. His name is Judge Michael McNally.
He was catching someone, her name was Kimberly Carroll, who
was driving a car during a court appearance. She was

(25:41):
doing court, but she was driving her car and the
judge caught it.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
On zoom and he wasn't happy.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Not happy at all. I mean, you have to see
the video. But or I'll play some of the audio
from this, because she flatly denies Greg she's even driving.
But it is clear that this woman is driving the car.
I mean, list of this exchange he has with a judge.

Speaker 11 (26:02):
You cannot be driving, ma'am. What are you doing.

Speaker 12 (26:06):
I'm not driving. I'm a passenger in a car.

Speaker 11 (26:09):
You're still not I'm not here in cases with people
driving or's passengers in cars.

Speaker 12 (26:15):
Okay, I will pull over right now.

Speaker 11 (26:16):
Door of us coming out to everybody's house and doing
these on boats and stuff in the summer. I don't know.

Speaker 13 (26:22):
I'm sorry. I have an emergency. I'm going out of
town for a family member. But I will have my
driver pull over. Hang on one second, I'm sorry. I
didn't know that I wasn't allowed to be in a car.

Speaker 12 (26:32):
But he got one second?

Speaker 11 (26:33):
Am I crazy? Or does it not look like you're
driving that car?

Speaker 12 (26:37):
I'm not driving the car. I'm a passenger in the car.

Speaker 11 (26:40):
Sir, what side of the car you want?

Speaker 12 (26:43):
I'm on the left hand side.

Speaker 11 (26:45):
How would you be on the left hand side if
you're a passenger in the front seat? Am I missing something?

Speaker 12 (26:51):
Left hand? Right hand side? I'm sorry, I've been sitting
in a room. I didn't know.

Speaker 11 (26:55):
Now the seatbelt's coming off of the of the driver's side.
You now you're lying to me right, Let me see
the driver. Let me see the driver.

Speaker 13 (27:06):
He on, one second, I have to ask their permission.

Speaker 11 (27:11):
Now, Well, you're not in the drive. You weren't in
the driver's side. Do you think I'm that stupid?

Speaker 2 (27:17):
The judge is just having a field day with this woman.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
The seat belt is on her left should Yeah. Yeah,
she's sitting clearly in the front seat, so how could
she not be driving there now? We aren't in the.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
UK driver for permission.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Sure, And then she says, well, I'll show you where
I am, and she's actually recording her getting out of
the car and walking to the other side of the
vehicle to get in on the passenger side, and the
judges seeing all this.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, yeah, that is stupid? Is a stupid does I?

Speaker 9 (27:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:48):
I just don't. I think his the judges question, do
you think I'm stupid? She does. She absolutely thinks that
she's smarter than everyone else. And I think that's the
arrogance and ignorance of people at the same time. When
that combination of both qualities is, you know, coursing through
their veins, it's the hardest person to deal with. Wow,
you can be dumb, you can be when you're both.

(28:10):
Oh yeah, she think she was doing it. She thought
she could get.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Away lying to this judge, I know, And that's where
it turned the screen off or something.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I don't know what to tell you, but gee, geez.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
All right, years ago, when you were just a little Greg, Yes,
a young ling. What was your favorite Easter candy?

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I liked. I used to like the chocolate bunny, so
peeps bite now the bunny, the chocolate piece of chocolate bunny.
I think it was Hershey. When you bite the ears.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Off, you did that too, huh. I think every kid
always bet the ears off first.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah. I like that kind of solid not even hollowed
out like the cheaper ones are. Hold on solid, solid bunny.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Are you ready for this?

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Hershey too?

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah? They were good. Yeah, but we'd always bite the
ears off, correct, right right. Costco is now offering a
ten pound, one hundred and forty dollars chocolate Easter bunny.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
You're going to have to have a hammer to eat into.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
What did you say, one hundred and forty pounds one
hundred and ten pounds, one hundred and forty dollars dollars
for a ten pound bunny. Well, I want to. I'll
try that out. I'll take that challenge.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, but didn't every kid eat the ears off? I always?
I did, first thing I did.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
It's the easiest part to eat your mouth around, to
just take it all right off. Use leverage.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
They use leverage they're put any peeps in the microwave.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
No, I didn't. Actually, well, good thing. Kids aren't listening
to this show because you give them ideas.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Oh I'm not trying to. I'm told they do very well.
And oh s'mores. Now there's an idea, right, that's a
good idea. Peeps and s'mores. See, you know we're just playing.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
The grandkids of Grandpa our cat aren't listening to this
program because they're gonna start wreaking havoc and they're.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Thanks to my lovely my, my lovely wife, the Rodeo Queen. Yes,
there is more chocolate around our house right now, and
I just can't get it right. I can't avoid it.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Greg, Yeah, neither can I. I love char I never
want to get rid of chocolate. I only got so
many things. Okay, chocolate gets to be one though.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, a lot of chocolate around our house, all right.
When we come back our number two of the Riding
Greg Show with you on this Monday afternoon.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Aaron Mendenhall you know a Yeah, she's the mayor of
that Salt Lakes.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Mayor Salt Lake City says she has had a conversation
with Ice about the upcoming detention center.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
I'm sure that was a fruitful conversation.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
It went very well, very very well. Well, she apparently
has learned some things about this center, and apparently it's
going to be very large.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
We don't say. Well, I think the population in Utah
is pretty large, so it was standard reason you might
need a large detention center.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Could be very large. And apparently they're moving very quickly
to get it going.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, is she gonna give them water?

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Well, that's a good question. We'll talk about all that
gets your response to juming up on the routing. Greg Show,
thanks for being with us on this Monday afternoon. It
involves Utah Congressman Blake Moore, Yes, who got a big
endorsement today from Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House, and
Jim Jordan, the lawmaker from Ohio. But there was at

(31:17):
first a bit of a mistake.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
That right, well, well it might have been a snaffoo,
but it might have actually been the original endorsement, because
it turns out the US Speaker and Jim Jordan, founding
member of the Freedom Caucus, I think he organized it.
They did endorse Blake Moore for the first congressional district.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Now wait, wait, wait a minute, he currently is in.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
The first I'm staring at the two folks. I know
they have since changed this, and I think they changed
it pretty quick. But I'm looking at the original post,
at the original release, and what's interesting about that is
that's that's the Democrat. That's the plus twenty four percent
Kamala Harris district that Blake Moore's Better Boundaries, you know,
drew up for the hats and yeah, he called it
the teeth and better boundaries was the private right of

(32:03):
action that citizens could take the legislature to the court
and have a judge decide ultimately. And he said that
back in eighteen. But he lives also in the first district,
So I don't know them saying he's they endorse him
for Utah's first district, him living in the first district
and that first district being one that he had a
big hand in creating. I think I think the first

(32:24):
pressure release was probably the most accurate one. Couldn't you?

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Could it be Mike Johnson and Jim Jordan just wanted
to get rid of Blake Moore, so we're going to.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Happens And then someone said, hey, I could you make
that the second district.

Speaker 14 (32:36):
And they went, I guess he caught it. He caught it, okay,
So anyway, yeah, just a little bit of it. So
they're confused. Well, I'll tell you I live in the first.
He currently lives, well, he currently represents the first.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
He doesn't live in them the old first up it
was north but where he lit where his home is
is in this new first district. And he did get
endorsed in the first to be elected in the first district.
So you know, I'd say, there's a lot of pieces puzzle,
pieces of the puzzle you can put together and say,
let's just keep that original one. If I was running
against Blake Moore, I would say, I completely agree the

(33:12):
House and Jim Jordan first district, it's all his.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
If I'm carrying Lisby, who is running in that, yeah,
she'd be out there saying, hey, I don't have an
opponent right now.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
I don't they want to hear the first district who's
he did disagree with the Speaker and Jim Jordan that
you know he's supposed to go to that first luck there,
he did create it.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
There's so well, Washington can't even pass the budget, so
I'm not surprised that they're confused about congressional district.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
I'm not either. There's a little bit of a little
chaos going on over there right now.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
So anyway, would it be that they really want to
get rid of him? That's why already runs the first.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Don't tell him well for the first and see what happens.
And they, oh, darn god it we figured it out.
If you raise a lot of money, which he does,
that gets you, That gets you chairmanships and leadership roles.
And I've seen that. I've seen the boiler rooms in Congress,
and that's what it takes. And it's tough. Numbers of
Congress have to sit in those little cubicles with head
pieces on call all day. It looks like misery to me.

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If you raise, if you can raise a ton of money, boy,
you got you got the leadership on your.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Sl About how much misery would that be? Just sitting
in one of those little cubicles. You have a headset on.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
And you're asking for money all day, You're cilling for
dollars all day, asking for money for your campra and
there's a whiteboard up there that keeps score. You got
to score, and you gotta you gotta make your nut.
You gotta make you, you gotta make your You got to
get your your your number in or else. You know,
you can't get a chairmanship.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
And that money actually goes to the party, not to
your campaign.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
No, that's right, It goes to don't have.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
To raise money for your own campaign.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Correct, that's right. So you see people that will raise it.
Try to raise a ton of money so you can
get a chairmanship leadership. Then there's lower levels of appointed
leadership that you get. If you can raise a lot more,
you get better than a chairmanship. You can get a
leadership spot. But they're kind of trans I hate to
say it, but they're probably surprises no one, but they're
very transactional. I saw this. They were like it was

(35:02):
years ago in Matheson was a member of Congress and
they were looking for a good candidate to run against them.
And I went back there. They were talking to me,
and I looked at that room. It's across the street
from the the from the House offices, and that looked
like where you go if you live a really bad life.
That looked like h double hockey sticks, my with my
with me not being able to sit still this is

(35:23):
the longest I can sit still is for the show
to sit in that room all day with the headset
on asking for money all day.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Do they feed you?

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I guess the rumor is I didn't see any food
in the place. I just saw a bunch of cubicles
and congress members of Congress with headsets on, rolling for dollars.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yep, yeah, all right. A few weeks ago there was
a real uproar here in the state when ICE it
was announced that ICE had purchased this big warehouse on
the west side of the the valley. Right, that's right,
people were upset.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Doesn't get any water. According to the mayor.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Well, apparently she has now met with ICE officials and
found out some things she probably doesn't like.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Great.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
First of all, she was told that the detention center
which is coming here, like it or not. I guess, Greg,
you were telling me the state can't do anything to
stop it. No, is that correct?

Speaker 1 (36:13):
That's right? I mean, look, it's it's a federal facility.
They they can they're not subject to the to the
at least of the counties and the city's ordinances. They're
not subject.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
They're in subject. So they just come in and said it, Yeah,
which I think is Well. Apparently our beloved mayor was
told it will be a mega detention center and will
hold up to ten thousand people upon its completion.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah. Well I think there's more than ten thousand running
around here, or we're running around here. We'll see where
they go once we have a place for people to,
you know, stay a while before they go back home.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah. She met virtually last week with two top ICE officials,
and during the meeting, ICE did confirm the plans and
size of the facility, and that it would be the
hub in a hub and spoke model. Its capacity would
range anywhere between seventy five hundred and ten thousand a day. Well,
do you know how much that's going to drive anti

(37:12):
ICE people in this valley crazy? Well, here's the thing,
they're good. They're going to go crazy a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
This reason this place became kind of a magnet is
the only place that I could take them was was
to Nevada, and they were full, so you could get
away with not going anywhere because no room at the end,
so to speak. But now you put a ten thousand
facility here, I think maybe Utah will become less popular,
less of a magnet once there's a little bit more
infrastructure for the removal and deportation of those that are

(37:39):
here illegally.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Now surprising, and I think i'd surprised both of us.
That did me and I think it did you as well.
The governor, during his monthly news conference a week or
two weeks ago, came out and said he supports it. Yep,
he was disappointed for lack of transparency, but like you
were saying, the FED basically can do what they want
to do. They don't have to tell the governor, a
common courtesy you would think they do. But he said
this would lead to jobs and pup a lot of

(38:01):
money into the economy.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, well yeah, there's a lot of different ways you
can do it too. I like, I know law enforcement
doesn't want to see all their employees, you know, poached
on this, So let's let's see hopefully this uh this
just creates more employment, not trade to employment somewhere else.
So yeah, it would be good.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
And I am from one are stand ice now pays fairly?

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Well yes, well yeah they do. And and look this
is this is these aren't new laws. This is the
part that you know everyone's been trying to say to
these loans that are so mad about it, all this
is existing laws. If you don't like it, tell Congress
that should make new laws. But these are the laws
that have been ignored, that should not be ignored, and
are now finally being enforced. And so if you don't

(38:42):
like it, what you really don't like is the laws
that are Congress passed long ago that they've been ignoring.
One of them was you can't come in and just
get on public assistance right away. You had to have sponsors.
You'd have somebody that sponsored you. Yeah, you get up
into the eighty percentile of certain groups that come, They
get right on public as system as soon as they
get here. It's it's it's obvious. It's an obvious drain

(39:04):
on our our resources, housing, employment, public safety, schools, you
name it. There's a cost for all this.

Speaker 8 (39:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
She apparently ended the meeting by saying she continues to
be open and transparent as the facts of the situation
are learned. Okay, well, well let me tell you what
mayor you ain't gonna do nothing about it because you can't.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Well, there's a Caesar E. Chave Chavez signs on Fish
South that if the ice facilities, you know, blowing your mind.
Why don't you get up on a step ladder and
take those signs down. There's like eight of them, that's
all there is. Just take them down.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Well, why did you count them? They're only eight of them.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
There's just I'm guessing that number, and that's maybe being
generous just because it's in one little concentrate area where
they really do it. Otherwise it's five hundred south, five
hundred s period everywhere, but for this one at least
few blocks in Salt Lake City. So go ahead, go
get a cherry picker or something. Go up there, go
get them down. Do that. If you can't figure out
what to do with this.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah, I thought I thought. The council said they need
to monitor or study the situation.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
They're studying. Then they said, okay, we'll do something, but
we don't know what yet. This is really this is
they're circling it. They're circling that issue. If you can't
get eight signs down, I don't know how you're dealing
with all the other tough stuff. But you know, that's
that's the challenge.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Take those signs down. Gosh, we gotta we gotta study.
We've got to get a mission, We got to get
recommendations as to how to deal with it.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, this is it's a tough one. It is. And
while you're at it, go look at Harvey Milk. Tell
me how much how excited you are about it?

Speaker 9 (40:28):
About that?

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, he's got a little bit history too.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah, sure does. All right, your thoughts on the detention said,
all I know our listeners who maybe live out in
that area. It's west of the airport, but it's the
west side of the valley. Again, there's always the east
versus west side of the valley debate about this detention center.
Are you concerned about it at all? It means jobs.
I you know, what's the difference between that and the
county jail? Just more people?

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Maybe, Yeah, it's actually nicer. The detention centers are nicer
because a lot of them are they're civilly, so they're
not they're not criminally, they're not suspects, and so they
have certain shampoos and certain they have certain Yeah, they
they got people cut your hair, they got they got
free time, they can go out, and they can use
the phone whenever they want. It's actually a little it's
a little bit more it's nice. In fact, jails really

(41:14):
aren't designed for the way a detention center is supposed
to be.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
So that's why they look at wear houses build. And
apparently it's moving fairly rapidly. Sorry, it's going quickly.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
It needs too, because like I said, I think we
have more here than they than they have capacity. But
hopefully they'll do it Obama did. They called it the
rocket docket. They could go through in a jutica and
you get them out, just follow just you know, went
in doubt do what Barack Obama did with deportate, deportations
and removals. He seemed to do it better than anyone else.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero triple
eight five seven eight zero one zero on your cell
phone dial pound two fifteen and say hey Rod or
leave us a coming on our talkback line by downloading
the iHeartRadio app. More, They're d and Gregg Show coming
your way on this Monday afternoon. And I guess they
have a pretty good turnout here in Salt Lake City.
Someone said there were ten thous some people that turned
out reading that, right.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
I guess. I don't know. Honestly, I just can't watch it. Yeah,
it's you know, I just I just don't. It's just goofy. Well,
we've got a couple of callbacks with questions about this.
Let's go to our callback line or talk back line,
I should say and see what they have to say.

Speaker 15 (42:17):
Hi, Rodin Greg, this is Roger up and you went
to I had heard over the weekend that the No
King's rally was blocking State Street. That's illegal. What would
happen if I did that as a participant in a
pro life rally? Where when we were doing supports for
Charlie Kirk after he was assassinated, would you bring me

(42:41):
a radio to jail so I could listen to your program?

Speaker 1 (42:46):
The answer is yes, yes, now, and I'll answer the
second question first, Yes to the radio, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
We can find one for you. We are a radio station.
Let's probably have a radio around.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Here, smuggle it in and then I But the answer
to the first question is if it isn't a leftist
slash socialist slash communists slash you know, elitist uh effort
or cause you're you're getting thrown in the clink, there's
no version of a Charlie Kirk rally, a pro life
rally where if you're blocking traffic. You're not going. They're

(43:15):
throwing you in a paddy wagon. Ye, and send you
into into jail and do not pass go You're going
straight to jail. Now, they got it. They get different
rules for the leftists.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Well, they were marching down a street and what I
saw a coverage on ku TV. I think they had
an overhead camera or something. They were marching right down
State Street from what I could tell.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah, maybe they closed the street.

Speaker 16 (43:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
But well you'd have to permit, wouldn't you.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, yeah, you would. You'd need a permit to do that.
And I but we've seen these these leftists. We've seen
them get violent, and we had a homicide last time
these No King No King's rally happened here one of
their so called security guys, you know, killed an innocent bystander.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah. Here's another comment on our talk back line.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
On Tim O'Brien's article about the No Kings. There's an
x A video from x It shows a bunch of
American flags all upside down.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (44:09):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
I did not see that.

Speaker 9 (44:10):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
And you know what, that doesn't surprise me. I do
think the funny thing is that in his He has
some links to some x pages where they ask people
questions and they like the one you played at the
beginning of the show. They don't know what.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
They're they don't know what they're there.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
They really really hate Trump, but they really can't even
narrow that down to what cause or reason other it's dangerous,
it's dangerous out here for us? Well, how is it dangerous?
Just is? That's all?

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Well, I I want to let's go. I want to
play this clip that E Ray found. This was one
of the protests, but there was an Iranian journalist who
approached a person holding a kind of like we love
Iran sign. Yeah, and she asked her to explain why
she was even holding a sign like that list of

(44:58):
this exchange apinion.

Speaker 17 (45:01):
She's right, Iranians are asking for the books. Oh no,
they are.

Speaker 10 (45:07):
I'm a journalist.

Speaker 13 (45:08):
I'm in contact with Iranian youth who are asking to
be bumped. And you are standing here supporting a terrorist regime.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
What are you doing supporting a terrorist regime?

Speaker 10 (45:21):
Why are you supporting a terrorist regime?

Speaker 12 (45:23):
I understand moding.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Convinced me of what afrain of women not having no
right to im Iranian?

Speaker 16 (45:32):
I've been imprisoned by that regime.

Speaker 14 (45:36):
This has got nothing to do with Palestine.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
This is about a terrorist regime in my country. I
want to exchange. I was, and this woman, she didn't
know how to defend herself. No, she said, I don't know.
She basically said, I don't want to have I can't
convince you otherwise that you need to support the pro
running regine.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Now she's like, stupid, beaus me of what having a brain,
I've been there, I've been imprisoned by these people before you.
Now look they they you know, the enemy of their enemies,
their friend. Any anything that this administration does, they are
going to be firmly on the other side. It doesn't
it doesn't matter. If if they found a cure to cancer,
they would be pro cancer. They'd be saying, well, how

(46:14):
dare you treat cancer this way? Let the let's cells mutate,
leave them alone, let's let let cancer live. That's what
they would. They'd say it because there's nothing that this
administration can do that they can't that they would they
ever accept or even celebrate. They would oppose and create
as much chaos and fear as they can.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Such a joke, it is, It really is all right,
more coming up, more your coals and comments. Rodding Gregg
with you on this Monday afternoon right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine Kenna.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
To frame this. I just love this. So right before
we went to the break, you played this amazing clip of.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
An Iranian student. Yeah, I guess a journalist who has
been harmed or detained by the regime in Iran. She's
in the US. So she's now approaching one of the
protesters who holding up us. I ain't saying she supports
the Iranian regime? How dare she does that?

Speaker 1 (47:04):
And the lady says, like, you know, why are you
doing this? And the lady said, I can't. The protester says,
I can't. I can't convince you, and she said, convince
me of what? Having a brain? I was back there
they put me in jail before. So you're you're seeing
some real, real gems in terms of uneducated, misguided, completely
polar opposite of what we should be upset about or

(47:27):
supportive of, especially if it's coming from an Iranian woman
who knows this better than anyone else. And this lady's
going to argue with her. But it doesn't end there.
You guys have so many more. There's so many examples.
Why should we just limit them to the ones you've
heard already?

Speaker 2 (47:40):
We have more on the ones that we've heard so far,
they're pretty during good. But I think this next one
that we're about to play for you get ready for this,
folks may take the cake.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
It is. It's one thing to not know what you're
you're protesting. It's another thing to believe you're protesting something
it doesn't exist at all all.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Right now, this is a foreign journalists asking one of
the protesters why she's protesting about a certain topic in
this war? Right now, listen to this.

Speaker 16 (48:07):
Isn't it a little bit homophobic that was so focused
on the straits of hormus and not the gaze of homs?

Speaker 18 (48:13):
I agree, yes for sure.

Speaker 16 (48:15):
Why do you think some willing to leave the gays
of Homus behind?

Speaker 18 (48:18):
I think it's just history. Historically, Like you know, gays
have always been very discriminated against, which is wrong on
so many levels, even in war, Yeah, even in warrent
It just takes more reform in government obviously, and then
also educating society.

Speaker 16 (48:33):
I just feel like if we're gonna go and say
we can't leave the gay people behind.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
I don't think we should go and zay at all, but.

Speaker 16 (48:39):
If we're going to the gays of Hamos, we could
turn it into fire Island for sure, the.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Fire island, just the straight to whoms. Is that a
little homophobic? Yeah it is.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Yeah, this journalist is ladies. Hopefully I didn't seek her
on this.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Let's get this, let's get let's get real out here.
It's the gaze of her moves. Let's get the gaze
that will turn into fire island.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Too much concern about horror moves, that's how about the
gaze of hormones?

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Just imagine I mean she if you if you saw
the video, she's she's got designer sunglasses on a very
nice scarf. She's clearly not you know, she's got a
couple of quarters of rub together. She seems like she'd be,
you know, educated to some degree. But boy, you know,
just just singling out the straits of horror moves and
leaving the gaze behind, that was just that was that

(49:32):
was a bridge too far for her.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Well, it was, like I asked Tim O'Brien on the
interview we did last hour, Greg, do people these people
are protesting dressing up in these most ridiculous outfits, making
these most outlandish statements, realized that almost I would say
ninety nine point nine percent of common sense, fair minded
Americans are just we're all sitting back today and laughing

(49:56):
at these people. Yeah, and do they not realize they're
being laughed at?

Speaker 9 (50:00):
Not with Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
I really think that America is falling into two camps here.
They're either completely unaware of any of this. Because if
you're a if you're a g media, you know you're
not showing well here, so you don't really want to
highlight it too much. You might do some helicopter coverage
so that you don't have to get near the crowd
to show what's actually going on. But people are either
unaware or they are more politically minded, so they're watching this,

(50:22):
They're seeing clips on X come up, and you know,
I'm sure that the leftists are enjoying it. But I
think all the normies in America are going what in
the world, like they all should go to Canada. I
think Canada would be a beautiful place for a lot
of these people to go. That place seems so lost
its mind anyway.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
I mean, they just they we're laughing at your folks,
sorry about it if you take this so seriously, I
mean this one. I mean you just heard this sound
by Are you concerned about the straight of her moves
or the gage of.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
A little homophobic hormones the gaze of the gates? Oh yeah,
you're right. Why do you think that's the case? You know,
in history they've been discriminating against even in war. Yeah, yes,
even in war.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Well, speaking of war, whatever we want to call it
in Iran, the conflict, whatever the case may be. I
love this comment. Stephen A. Smith was on the Bill
Marshow on Friday, and I think it was is her
name Elite slot Nick. I think she's the senator from Michigan, right, yeah,
And boy he looked her straight in the face and

(51:30):
basically called her a hypocrite right to her face. I mean,
listen to what Stephen Stephen A had to say on
the Bill Mars Show this week about the conflict in
Iran and those who are opposed to it.

Speaker 19 (51:42):
You got a lot of damn nerves to be in
the face of American people saying, for numerous administrations, Iran
is a problem they have to be dealt with.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Iran is a problem they.

Speaker 19 (51:52):
Have to be dealt with, and then this man deals
with him, and then all of a sudden you complaining
about him.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Now it doesn't really make sense, the.

Speaker 9 (51:57):
Lack of.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
He got a cheer on mar for saying that.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Yeah, well, yeah, you know, it's like the Emperor has
no clothes. If you get someone to talks some common sense,
people will gravitate to that. If it's just all blather
and they're all leftist, they're just gonna get I guess,
go with the party line. But if you get someone
out there that says the emperor has no clothes, people
are like, eh, yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
He's so right. Every president since what Clinton or even
before that as well, Carter and regaeone, everyone president has
been complaining about the Iranian regime and the threat they
are to the world. Yep, but they did absolutely nothing
about it. Barack Obama gave him palettes of cash for
crying out loud. Do we remember that, right?

Speaker 1 (52:36):
I was supposed to work out.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Well, so you get a man in the White House
who says we're doing something about this, and now they're
complaining about the fact that he's doing something again.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
I'll make no mistake. It is still a three prong
war and sometimes people like to conflate or forget, but
it is nukes, it is missiles. And now we know
they have long range. They could reach UK, could reach
Europe because they fired them. We know they have them now.
They denied it up until March. And also the terror
that they have sponsored all over this world for forty
plus years. They have been the major sponsor of terror

(53:06):
killing the Western world people for forty years plus forty
plus years. Those are the three things they are resolute
to end. And I say it's about time. And if
you'd have got those presidents, you'd either party on an
honest day, they would have agreed with you.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, and let me add a fourth element. So then
they kill thousands of their own people. And we see
in the last few.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Months, yes, yes, I mean protests, Well, get real folks.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
All right, more coming up rough in Greg with you
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
can arrests. They're protesting anything dealing with Donald Trump, immigration, Ice,
the war with Iran or the conflict with Iran, whatever
we're calling in now. And we actually had the legacy
media over the weekend, Greg call out the Democrats for
shutting down the government. Now the Democrats saying we are

(53:53):
shutting down the government. We want to fund everything except Ice,
but we won't approve anything until you stop funding knights.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
It comes down to, let me translate, we're in the minority,
and until we get our way in the minority, the
majority cannot prevail. And that's just kind of not how
it works. That's not the math of the legislative body.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Here's Jonathan Carl on ABC's This Week with Sender Van
Holland talking about this, and he also admits something.

Speaker 20 (54:16):
I guess what's confusing here is you have fought and
blocked the funding for the Department of Homeland Security because
you object, as you just outlined to what ICE has
been doing, and you wanted to force changes. And yet
the only thing that has been assured throughout all of
this is that ICE already has the money because, as

(54:36):
you said, seventy five billion dollars passed in the budget
bill last year. So you're holding up the entirety of
the Department of Homeland Security because you object to ICE
and you want changes to ICE. But through it all,
Ice continues to.

Speaker 10 (54:51):
Have the money.

Speaker 21 (54:51):
John, We're not holding up all of the money for
all the Department of Homeland Security.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
That's just a false statement.

Speaker 21 (54:57):
We have said repeatedly, repeatedly, we should fund TSA, we
should fund FEMA, we should fund the Coastguard. We are
not prepared to give ICE another ten billion dollars on
top of the money they already have and are using
in many of these lawless operations. We're not going to
give them another ten billion dollars unless they make fun

(55:20):
of holding up the killing of American citizens and fighting
over that additional ten billion dollars. You are, you are
holding up the rest of department.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
We're not holding it up.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
I mean you're saying.

Speaker 21 (55:32):
John, we're not holding it up. We have now voted
ten trices.

Speaker 20 (55:35):
But you're holding up unless it doesn't include money for ICE.
That's just the fact.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
That's just the fact, and that's what it's all about. Yep,
Jonathan Girl spot on.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah, it's and again, this isn't something that the democrats.
It's so easy to be a Democrat in America. You
can just be you can act as insane as you want.
And that's about the meanest or the toughest interview you're
going to fit. If Republicans in the minority were to
try and hold up into a whole budget over an
item like ice or it's equivalent whatever the Republicans didn't like.

(56:09):
In fact, I think I think this happened when they
didn't want Planned Parenthood funded and we're going to shut
down the government over it. And Obama was president and
he just raked the Republicans over the coals that they
would be so irresponsible about what they were willing to
shut down over the Planned Parenthood budget. So it's it's
a two ways. It's it's a double standard. There is
no there is no consistency in reporting, there's no consistency

(56:31):
in the logic of how dangerous it is. And this
is that was Planned parentod. This is our Department of
Homeland Security when we know for four years we had
terrorists coming over here on the watch list uninterrupted. We
know we're in this conflict with Iran. It is a
dangerous time. We've had terrorist attacks happen since this closure
has happened. And yet they Democrats won't move. And then

(56:52):
you get this fune who just makes gives the media
a gift and makes it look like it's the Republicans
in the House versus the Republicans in the Senate, make
puts it all in the Republicans court, which is so
which is so incompetent.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
It's what you said, Greg, it is so easy to
be the party of No. I mean, I was just
thinking about this. I have granddaughters, one five, the other
one's four. I think their favorite word is no for
the most part. You know, they're little ones.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Right to solve problems, you say no.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
You just say no. So here you have the Democrats
today and they say no to everything because if it
has any association whatsoever with Donald Trump, it's an instant no.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Have you heard, Greg from any of them at this point.
I haven't a suggestion as to what they're going to
do to fix whatever problems we have in this country.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Nothing they have. They they proffer no solutions.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
They have offered nothing on the economy, nothing on crime,
nothing on immigration.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Nothing well an immigration, it's let them all come in.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yeah, Well that's their answer, that's the answer, that's their answer.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (57:55):
No.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
So you're right, it is the party of No. And
will the party of No and the you know, the
the directive they have just say no to everything get
them elected in November to take over control of the
House and Senate.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
The only way that happens is if the Republicans help
them and give you zero reason to be excited about
the midterms and you don't even show up. And I
think Majority Leader Senate Majory leader as soon as doing
his level best to put a chilling effect on Republicans
coming out on the midterm. When you pull stunts like
he pulled last week, I mean, I just unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Or I'll talk about that in the coming hour. Also
coming up after our news update, Attorney General Derek Brown
will join us on the Rotting Great Showy cools out.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Yeah, it's spring break.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Spring break week, Easter weekend coming up this weekend. Yep weather,
it's has been nice to good this weekend, but that
sounds right well. Coming up a little bit later on
in the show, the NBA finds itself right in the
middle of yet another controversy.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Greg, Yes, is this still a league? I mean, I
March Madness seems to be fun, but once you get
to the NBA, this seems to be Sollo.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
It's all about the money.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Isn't it.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Yeah, they depend ims filling away from all this for
the most part. Yeah, but not NBA Boy, they're hanging
they hanging tight. They want to be as woke as
humanly possible.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Well, we're going to explore that here in just about
ten minutes, so we invite you to stay with us.
But right now, it's a great honor to have the
Attorney General of the great State of Utah joining us
on our any our newsmaker line. We're talking about Derek Brown.
Derek rote a column today and the Dead's read news
about roads are essential for connecting people to public lands. Derek,
great to have you on the show.

Speaker 9 (59:38):
Derek.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
One line I saw in your column today that I
really enjoyed public land is only truly public when the
public can access that. What a novel idea that is, Derek.

Speaker 9 (59:49):
Well, and that's been the whole that's been the goal
all along.

Speaker 22 (59:53):
Is is ironically, it's those of us on the conservative
ride trying to open these lands up to the public,
and it's the environmentalist groups on the left who are
trying to shut them down. So, I mean, I think
people might think it's exactly the opposite, but that's not
the case. I mean, there's so much amazing thing, so
many amazing things to see in Utah. The goal is

(01:00:14):
to help people actually see them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
So you know, Derek, we worked on these issues when
you were a state lawmaker. I'm glad to see this
off ed. You're staring at this rightly with our county
commissioners and the legal fights going on to make these
roads accessible. I don't know that people along the Wahsatch
Front or the state realized that many of these lands
we're talking about were always accessible to Utah families for

(01:00:39):
generations growing up, and that the federal government's actually tightened
its grip and made more land without any additional effort,
just enforcement or change of policy, have made more and
more land unaccessible to Utahn's exactly.

Speaker 22 (01:00:55):
And we have a lot of people don't know this,
but they've done that since an act that was passed
in nineteen seventy six. They've been slowly trying to shut
these roads down. And a lot of these are roads
where families have literally used them for generations. And then
you have some bureaucrat that comes in, puts a chain
in front of the road and says, okay, even though

(01:01:17):
it's been used.

Speaker 9 (01:01:17):
For hundreds of years, you know, no more.

Speaker 22 (01:01:20):
And so my office has literally dozens of lawsuits on
that very issue.

Speaker 9 (01:01:26):
Where the federal government.

Speaker 22 (01:01:27):
Says, no, we think we should have control over this road,
We're going to shut down access, and as a state,
we're saying no, it was used and has been used
for many generations and should stay open. So, I mean, Greg,
you're right, this is a huge issue, and for some
families it's literally access to their livelihood. And it's not

(01:01:47):
even you know, recreation, it's their livelihood.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Derek, have you seen any changing dealing with the federal
government since Donald Trump is back in the White House?
Do you see detect any kind of change right now?

Speaker 22 (01:02:00):
Well, the most obvious change is that they actually are
willing to answer our phone call and talk with us,
Rod and Greg, I mean literally I go to DC
regularly and the administration sits down and they work with
us on all these lands related issues, and to be
fully transparent with you. They don't always agree with me.

(01:02:21):
I mean, we do battle it out, but they listen
and they're willing to meet and they're willing to hear
our viewpoint. And some of these lawsuits involving federal lands
have literally been going on for ten to fifteen years,
and so one of the things I'm trying to do
as long as I'm the Attorney general here is to
figure this out, to get these things resolved. And the

(01:02:41):
fact that we now have an administration who's willing to
engage in a conversation, I mean that is you know,
at the risk of sounding you know, highly partisan. No
one was answering the phone call at the White House,
you know, you know, four years prior to President.

Speaker 9 (01:02:55):
Trump, and so to at least be able to have.

Speaker 22 (01:02:58):
The conversation is a breath of fresh air. And we
are making a difference. We're making We're covering some ground.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
You know, you highlight Kane County and you're up ed.
And I love those guys. I have the honor of
working with them quite a bit. And so I don't
know that everyone knows that in Kane County, it's almost
ninety percent of that county's footprint of its county is
almost ninety percent federally controlled. What's that say about infrastructure,
whether it's water, utilities, roads. How does a county that

(01:03:28):
only has ten percent of its own county footprint able
to grow? And you know that Kane County is growing.
What are they confronting these counties They're all they're very
small in number, they're not large counties, but what do
they face when they stare at a big federal government
that owns ninety percent or controls ninety percent of their county.

Speaker 22 (01:03:46):
Well, And it's hard, Greg, because the reality is there's
a couple of counties that are like like Garfield I
think is probably ninety three percent. Our family spends a
lot of time there because we have family in Garfield County,
and I think the reality is, and you've probably seen
this in Kane, the most influential individuals in those counties
are not the elected officials by you know, the people

(01:04:08):
who have elected them, or the county commissioners. They're whoever
an administration two thousand miles away of points to head
BLM in those counties. And that's exactly backwards. I mean,
our whole system was structured in the federal law of
nineteen seventy six, the Federal Management Land Act was structured
so that it would be this partnership, and I believe

(01:04:31):
it was done with good intentions and it made sense.
But now in places like Kane County, it's flipped on
its head. And so you have the folks there asking
permission of the federal government who nine times out of
ten just says no, and if you.

Speaker 9 (01:04:47):
Don't like it, well call your congressman.

Speaker 22 (01:04:50):
And that's just that's not an acceptable approach to federal
land management.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
No, it isn't. Derek. You also say that people like
to frame this is a conflict between conservation and act,
but you say that's not right. What should it be
framed as.

Speaker 12 (01:05:05):
Well?

Speaker 22 (01:05:06):
Ultimately it's a combination of both under our Federal Land
Management Act.

Speaker 9 (01:05:10):
I mean, it is both.

Speaker 22 (01:05:12):
Access and what we call sustained use. So it's not
one or the other, it's both. And so navigating I
mean a lot of people tend to be black and
white in the political world. They don't realize that two
two different principles can both simultaneously be true. And that's

(01:05:33):
the case with sustained yield and sustained use in multiple yield.

Speaker 9 (01:05:37):
And that's what we try to do.

Speaker 22 (01:05:38):
And so anyway, and what's interesting about this issue is
that as I've talked to other Attorneys general around the country,
and I've gone to know most of them, they are
astonished at how.

Speaker 9 (01:05:49):
Much of Utah is federal.

Speaker 22 (01:05:51):
I mean, I gave a presentation for a large group
of ags and afterwards one of them literally came up
to me and said, you know, it's funny, Derek. I
thought that it's I would like you said, two thirds
of the state of Utah's federal That can't be right.
What is it really? And I said, it's really two thirds.
And for most states of the country, especially those east

(01:06:12):
to the east of the Rockies or east of the Mississippi, like,
they just have no frame of reference. And so a
lot of what I do is ag it just raised
this issue with so many of them, so that when
I'm talking about federal lands issues with all of them,
you know, they know, they know why it matters to me,
they know why it matters to Utah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Derek, thank you for joining us. That's the Attorney General
for the State of Utah, Derek Brown talking about public
lands here in the state of Utah, referencing, of course,
what is it Kane County and the way I've never
been to the wave of you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
No, I've seen that popular.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Yeah, pretty popular down there. But full disclosure, you help
Kane County. I do represent them. How frustrated frustrating is
it for them? I mean, you've got a family like
you were saying earlier, who have for generations had access
to areas they can't go into now, or they can't
improve a road to go into that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
That's correct. You have families that have been ranchers, who
have had their land use permits that have been passed
on from generation to generation that are having them taken
away potentially for conservation, land use or easement's taken away,
their access to that lands being now hindered. Yeah, there
doesn't need to have to be a law by Congress
pass to have the right and maybe the most aggressive

(01:07:27):
Democrat administrations change the rules the way people have lived.
Ninety percent of a county is encumbered by federal rule
and by the Bureau of Land Management. So you've got
a county administrator and you've got a commission that wakes
up every single day at odds with the federal government
and how they're going to actually get a road built,
water lines built, power, you name it infrastructure because it's growing.

(01:07:51):
How do you do it on ten percent of of
the footprint of your whole county? And so you know,
you hear these blue state Democrats squeal about ice. They
don't even understand the oppression of ninety percent of the
footprint of your county is controlled federally by people that
live back east who move here and then tell you
what's what as if you're the bad You're the bad
steward of the lands, you and your families and your

(01:08:13):
generations that have lived there. You're the problem. You're the
bad guy to them in their eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Well, I would imagine Greg the elected officials and the
administrators down there in Kane County have to wake up
every day saying, Okay, what battle have I got to
fight today?

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
True?

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
And it's and so the Turney General Derek Brown is
doing a great job and they're working with counties like
Kane County to get those roads usable again. And there
were there were there was public safety issues that the
BLM didn't want addressed in how to fix the road
because it would disturb the land or whatever it was.
But they but these are roads that have been used
for generations. So they went ahead and did it. And

(01:08:51):
lawsuits in the suit, right, And that's that's see. The environmentalists,
the leftists, and if they're if Democrats are in charge,
they use lawsuits to stop everything they just need to.
They just figure that they can just slow bake you
to death and you'll.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Find they've got more money for the.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
More frivolous lawsuits. They can never stand at test today,
they can. They can run those through for three to
five years and keep you chasing your tail. I mean,
they've done this forever, and rural Utah really gets hit hard.
It's no wonder in a growing state. Along the Wahsaedge front,
you have counties like well, King County is growing, but
many counties are are shrinking because there's not a place
to work. There's not a place if you're at a

(01:09:30):
working age, you've got to go find jobs somewhere else.
So you've got some great counties that should buy design
be places where quality of life is higher, cost of
living is lower, and you should be able to find
good employment. But this relationship with the federal government and
how they stifle that land and lock it up and
keep you from it worse and worse and worse and
tighten their grip every year. You know, some's got to give.
We've got a good Supreme Court right now, so I'm

(01:09:51):
hoping that we get this in front of the current
Supreme Court. Makeup, because we're a state, we're a sovereign state.
We shouldn't have to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
We can only hope all right when we come back.
The NBA finds himself in another controversy surrounding Pride Month.
That's coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and
Talk Radio one oh five nine can arrests. But now
a player. He's a guard, a former guard, I guess
we could share say, or a former a not a
former guard, but a former Detroit Piston guard. His name
as Jaden Ivy, has been released by the Chicago Bulls today. Ivy,

(01:10:23):
who is out for the season because of a knee injury,
recently posted videos on social media in which he criticized
the LGBT community and the NBA teams for holding Pride nights.
Listen to what he had to say.

Speaker 10 (01:10:39):
That the world can proclaim LGBTQ.

Speaker 9 (01:10:46):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:10:47):
They have, they have. They proclaim Pride months, and the
NBA they proclaim it. They they show it to the world.
They say, come, come, uh, come join us for Pride,
for Pride Month, to celebrate unrighteousness. They proclaim it. They

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proclaim it on the billboards, they proclaim it in the streets. Unrighteousness.
So how is it that that one can't speak righteousness?
How is it one that how how how are they
to say that, Uh you you man, this man is crazy.

(01:11:38):
I'm not. I'm not the the j I used to
be put, the old jazz, that love of Christ. You know,
no matter what the basketball setting is, you know, I'm
born again the Holy Spirit, and I've been saved by
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 11 (01:11:58):
No matter what.

Speaker 10 (01:12:01):
How many d MPs I don't, I don't get to play,
or no matter how many points I score, these things
are are a temporary thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Interesting, isn't great? I love the line he said, you
know you can proclaim righteousness, but you can't speak righteousness or.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Yeah, well he did and he got he got released,
he got released, he got so you know, he's his
point is, you know, he does not believe that Pride
Night is something that would be celebrated. It's his it's
his moral belief. But if he is to express that
and he finds himself out of a job versus those
that have the opinion that that's worthy of promotion, and

(01:12:42):
they're fine, and so you know, he's I do. I
do think that you have to start asking yourself. I mean,
is there freedom of speech? I mean, I'm to all.
I think I read recently that certain Bible passages and
I think it's Canada, you can't read them. They're considered
hate speech if they are, if they are now preaching
that it's sinful or that strange flesh or or whatever

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it may say in the Bible scriptures about morality, about
how a man and a woman that relationship, that is
hate speech. And you're seeing in the NBA at least
it does apply there. You're not allowed to speak against
you know, a pride month or a day like that,
and you know you're on the team. They give them
special jerseys they're supposed to wear for that. You see

(01:13:25):
all the guys in the NHL that won't play ball of.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
That, they won't. Many of them are from foreign countries
and they do not support this in any way and
they won't play. And the NHL finally winded up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Yeah, quit doing it, because I mean you can't. I mean,
they can pick on this guy that's playing for the Bulls,
this Jade and Ivy, but you can't kick off every
member large numbers of members of teams without it being
a consequence. So if there were more Jade and Ives,
maybe he would be able to say that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Yeah. Well, the Bulls did put out a statement today
saying Ivy was released for quote conduct detrimental.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
To the team.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
How does it affect the team? Well, he's standing up
for what he believes in. Apparently you can't do that
in the NBA.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
That that league needs to go away.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
I'll make a quick prediction. Yeah, that story will not
be on ESPN tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
H Yeah, you're right. Actually, I'll bet you anything. They're
never going to say no coverage whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
All Right, more coming up, Rod and Greg with you
on this Monday afternoon here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine. Can't arrest What a ballgame that was
late yesterday afternoon? That Duke game? Is Yukon that shot? Whoa?

Speaker 8 (01:14:32):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Is that Yukon winning or Duke or Duke losing? What
was that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
That's that's Yukon winning?

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Do you think it's Duke losing?

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
You know, I think it kind of choked.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
I thought a little bit maybe a little panic.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think they kind of their
knees wabbled.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Well before we wrap up the shows and I we'll
let you hear that call again. And the reaction of
the CBS announcers was pretty amazing.

Speaker 8 (01:14:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Yeah, And then the Yukon coach got a huge fine
for head budding a referee.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
It's a weird head bucks. He don't see his head
go forward, but he does not moving in as the
roughs moving and they do their heads do cliinn k
you had one hundred thousand dollars fine. Might get suspended
from the first Final four game too.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
He's a little demonstrative.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Would you say, Oh yeah, I would say. I mean
they talk about coaches being too tough on kids. He's
is a life's tough, so I'll be tough.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
But yeah, yeah, and he is. All right, let's move on.
Let's talk about politics again.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
This is where Republicans we need that. We needed our hurly.
We need a tough coach, which is guys in the game.
We need a Headbut I think these I think our
next guy's going to talk about this is the Republicans
to lose if they if they don't win this thing,
it's because they're weak need and they choked at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
I saw something to join on. Scott McKay as publisher
of The hay Ride, also contributing editor of The American Spectator.
Always great to have Scott back on the show. Scott,
how are you welcome back to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 9 (01:15:52):
Hey guys, how's it going well?

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Scott? All right?

Speaker 10 (01:15:55):
Uh, you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
The Democrats won't weren't win the mid terms if the
Republican don't lose it? What is he going on right now?

Speaker 17 (01:16:02):
Scn Well, let me do this because you guys were
on the college basketball analogy.

Speaker 9 (01:16:09):
I guess ye.

Speaker 17 (01:16:12):
Here in Baton Rouge, we just announced Will Wade as
the basketball coach at l s U, replacing Matt McMahon.
And what I would say is that John Thune is
Matt McMahon, and we need a Will Waite. I need
a guy who will rub some dirt on it and
is willing to fight as nasty as it as it

(01:16:34):
uh as it takes to win. And instead, what we've
got a guy, you know, is a guy who just
kind of sits there and says, oh, geez, I guess
I just don't have the resources to make this happen.
And this, you know, since I wrote that piece last week,
it has gotten worse. The Senate tried to you know, essentially, Uh,

(01:16:56):
I can't say the word half something, uh there to
this DHS funding piece and through this thing at the
House and the House said no, you know, we gave
you a perfectly good plan to get this thing funded
and to pass the Save Act, and you've done nothing,
and we're not gonna you know, we're not gonna adult

(01:17:19):
rate what we've done to save you. And at this point,
the whole thing is a joke. President Trump, under the Constitution,
has the ability to call the Senate into sessions. It's
in the constitution. He could do that, and he probably should.
He should. He should say no, you're not going anywhere.

(01:17:39):
You're gonna you're gonna pass these two things or you
don't get to go home.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
You know, I've been on tilt since this happened. You
got three, you got five senators at three am. You
talk about a sixty vote filibuster and all those things.
But somehow, procedurally, five people in the Senate chamber at
three am in the morning got this thing done. And
then they just slinked out of town as fast as
they could in the in the you know, in the morning,
and I just felt like, you know, Republicans, we have

(01:18:04):
the majority. They're letting a minority party run the show,
and they don't know how to win. They do not
know how to win it. In what my fear is.
And to your point, I don't think the Democrats have
shown announce of leadership on any front. But if you
are the majority and you are just signaling to the
people you represent you don't know how to win, doesn't
that have a chilling effect on turnout? Who's getting excited

(01:18:28):
about returning the Republicans to the majority? If you feel
like a rented mule while they're in the majority currently, well.

Speaker 17 (01:18:35):
It's it's utterly corrosive, is what it is. I mean,
you know, back in I mean, I have a half
written book called The Revivalist Revolution that I've had to
park because reality hasn't conformed with what everybody thought was
going to happen last year, right, I mean, you know,
when this thing got started, it was doge and we

(01:18:55):
were gonna we were gonna scrub the federal budget. We've
actually identified a whole bunch of money that could be saved.
I'm not saying that the House has done a particularly
good job of scrubbing it, but I mean what we
realized is it doesn't matter because you can't get anything
past the Senate. Nothing can change without that body being

(01:19:16):
willing to show a little bit of leadership, and the
guy who is running this thing, Foon is every bit
as bad as Mitch McConnell. I don't think he's as
actively maleficent as McConnell was.

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
You know.

Speaker 17 (01:19:30):
I mean McConnell was a guy that, you know, it
really doesn't care what the voters thing. I think Food
just doesn't know how to leap, you know. I mean
he's spent his whole Senate career basically being a lapdog
for a mcconnall and an Errand boy, and you know
it is clearly a year and a half in or
a year.

Speaker 9 (01:19:49):
In a third in.

Speaker 17 (01:19:50):
I guess at this point has absolutely no interest in
being better than McConnell was. It's all about, well, I'm
going to have to coddle Lisa Mkowski and Susan Collins here,
and if they don't want to do that, and Tom
Tillis doesn't want to do anything, or McConnell doesn't want
to do anything, I guess we just can't. And I

(01:20:11):
can't get to fifty votes so that Jadie Vance can
come here and break the tie. So I'm just gonna
stall because I don't want Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski
to have to bear the wrath of their constituents for
not doing what the voters elected everybody to do. And
at this point, it's not even it's not even Republican priorities.

(01:20:33):
You're in the middle of a war with the largest
state sponsor of terrorism in the world, and you don't
want to fund TSA at the airport. I mean, are
you kidding? That is so I mean, it's so on
the nose anti American that the Democrats want to do.
And you can't summon up fifty votes to just ram

(01:20:55):
this thing through on a whatever it is, whether it's
a talking filibuster or in the case of the Save
America Act, it's a privileged motion that came over from
the House. All you have to do is say this
doesn't require cloture and by the rules you don't have
to and you can pass it with fifty plus the
Vice President. And yet he won't even do that because

(01:21:15):
he can't break any arms in his own his own caucus.
This is insane. It It is the worst leadership that
the Senate has ever had at this point, and it
makes you wonder, like, what's the purpose of holding the
Senate if this is all you can get.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
I think they like to be in the part the
party of the minority. I really do. Yeah, I do, Scott.
I think it's easier for them to be the party
of the minority than to be the party of the majority.
Agree or disagree.

Speaker 17 (01:21:42):
Well, I've always had this, you know, saying, ever since
I've been writing of the American Spectator, which is I
don't even want to play thirteen year fourteen years now?

Speaker 9 (01:21:52):
Good lord, now.

Speaker 17 (01:21:54):
That I feel old from talking to you guys, I've
always had the saying that the Senate Republublicans are the
Washington Generals, right, the Washington Generals are the team that
plays the Harlem Globe Rods like every freaking game, and
they always find a way to lose. That's who these
guys are, right. They like being the They like to

(01:22:14):
be the losers because, you know, you get to be
in the minority. You're not going to run anything. You
can just sit there and make speeches and you can,
you know, enjoy all the trappings of being a US senator.
You're not actually going to make policy, but hey, who cares, right,
the bureaucracy makes all the policy in DC anyway, So

(01:22:35):
you know this is about me more than aything else.
I get to go on Fox News and complain about
the Democrats, but I don't actually I actually have to
put the work in to beat them. That's a Washington general.
And we have this this tradition within the Republican Party
of these guys who always lose and they think it's fun.
And the thing is is this it was It was

(01:22:58):
bad when the dever Crats were a bunch of Daniel
Patrick Wynihan's. Okay, like that was bad that the liberals
would beach you. These are not liberals. Okay. When you
sit there and you listen to Chris Murphy or Tammy
Duckworth or Adam Schiff, what you realize is those guys

(01:23:19):
are not Daniel Patrick Morninghan. This is not some pleasant
debate over how to deliver the social goods we all
agree should be delivered. Right. This is like open warfare
with communists who want to tear the country apart and
rebuild it in their image. When you can see their

(01:23:41):
works in every major city in America and none of
these guys appear up to the fight, is the real problem.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Yeah, So here's my big, big fear. It didn't take
the regime media along to pounce on the fact that
the Senate and soon left without giving the given Speaker
Johnson head up. The Republicans in the House with the
majority had no idea, so they immediately were upset and said,
we're not this isn't going to be good enough. So
I'm reading a New York Times headline from Friday that

(01:24:12):
says a feud among Republican lawmakers dims the chances for
a quick end the DHS shutdown. So what Dune actually
did is he turned this into a Republican versus Republican
fight where the Democrats now get to sit back and say, wow,
look how dysfunctional the Republican Party is. They're the ones
that have now shut down the Department of Homeland Security?

(01:24:33):
Was this not seen? And will the American people see
that or that sentiment there and say, yeah, I don't
know that. I'm excited to see the Republicans win because
what are we getting from it?

Speaker 5 (01:24:44):
Well?

Speaker 17 (01:24:44):
Yeah, I mean, you know, the question is do you
fix this? At some point it has to be fixed. Yeah.
You know, Trump basically said, screw it, I'm going to
do an executive order and I'm gonna pay TSN, which
you know from a constitution perspective, it might give you
the willies, but also from a constitutional perspective, there is

(01:25:07):
no filibuster. And traditionally the Senate didn't allow a fake
philibuster like they do now, which is you know, like
in the past, if you were a philibuster, well, guess
what it's mister Smith goes to Washington. Baby, You're gonna
talk until you drop and then somebody else is gonna
take over. I mean, like, how you can't do that

(01:25:29):
for something like paying TSA agents at the airport in
the middle of a war against the terrorist country, okay,
or passing to Save America Act when seventy five to
eighty percent of the public ones it passed, Like if
there is, I mean to me, I'm gonna make Mazie
Hornos stand up for six hours and talk and give

(01:25:52):
me nothing but campaign footage for campaign commercials for all
of my people, Like, I'm gonna do that. It's relish
instead of oh no, we can't do that. And the
reason they can is because they don't want Lisa Markossi
to have to sit in her seat for four hours
on end.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
It is God always great chatting with you, and we
need you on the show. We need Scott, we need
you man jobs. Thanks Man. I know we'll be talking again.
It's going to be interesting summer for sure. All right, Scott,
thank you. Scott Kay with the American Spectator and he's
right on, Greg.

Speaker 11 (01:26:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
We've made a point on this show. Why should I
get excited about going to vote for a Republican when
they are doing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Nothing, nothing nothing, They can't they don't know how to win.
They win, they don't know how to lead. This is
you know again, it's it's long. Leadership is lonely. It's
hard to do difficult things. You're going to get attacked,
but that's kind of what the job is. If you're
going to make a difference and they're just they're either
unwilling or unprepared. They don't have the metal to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Just see Trump got after thooned today in a tweet.
He said, look at get the votes. Leaders, Get the votes.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
Yeah, quit saying I don't have the votes. Yeah okay,
well we know you don't. But if you're worth your salt,
go get the vote.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Go get the votes.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Which have done that in the legislative branch in different
levels at different times.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
You have to do it all right more coming up,
final segment of the Rout and Greg Show on Utah's
Talk Radio one O five Die can I'm just laughing.
You see how the outfits that there weren't there's no
Kings thing yesterday?

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Again, I would call it a clown show, but I
have greater respect for Clo clown than to call it
a clown show. It's something worse than that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Well, Brett Hume, who was on with Brett Bher on
fus soon a short time ago, made a very interesting
observation Greg. He basically said, look, the no Kings demonstrators
have won.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
What they've won.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
This is the third no Kings demonstrations we've had, and
we still don't have a king.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Oh there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
So see they've won.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
Well, you know when they say no Kings, is that
that whole seventy seven million people voted every swing state
went to Trump electoral college landslide that there is?

Speaker 8 (01:27:59):
That?

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
Is that what they want to overturn?

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
I guess. So, you know, but they've won. Think about it,
three big no Kings events and we still don't have
a king in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
Yeah, they men, and we also have no think king.
We have no work King. We have no I mean
it's yeah, it's they they there's no Kings.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Oh, there is a if you would like to protest
Donald Trump. This was announced apparently during the No Kings
demonstrations in one of the cities. They are encouraging men
to wear red lipstick. I'm not making this up. To
wear red lipstick to show their disapproval of Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
They would have a chilling effect. Okay, I'm just gonna
tell you that is not that is not at I
don't think it's the best practice to get a bunch
of guys to support an issue, to say you gotta
wear some red lipstick to really make get this over
the finish line. I don't think that's so.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
If we suppport the president, what colored lipstick should we wear?

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
We don't have to wear any So we support them
right now by not having anything any red lipstick. We're
lipstick free zone.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
But just next time, you know, King's protesters, I imagine
we'll have another one here in a year. If you
really want to show your displeasure with Donald Trump, you
guys out there were red lipstick.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Well, I just can't imagine that normal Americans are looking
at any of this and I want to be on
that team. That team, right, did they know where? They
know where they're going? I want to be with them.
I don't think that's I don't think that's the decision
tree happening right now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
You're not a red lipstick guy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
I'm not anything that they're doing. Those guys, I mean
they it is, it is. It really was a spectacle
and not very inspiring.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
No, it wasn't. All right, that doesn't for us tonight,
head off, shoulders back. Thank God, bless you and your
family and this great community of ours, since great country
of ours. Enjoy your Monday evening. We're back tomorrow at
for Have a good night by

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