The Rod and Greg Show: Possible New Natural Gas Pipeline in Alaska; Interview with Nick Shirley

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
For a while, we had the we had the tournament
up on one of the monitors here in the studio.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
You know what, ladies and gentlemen don't want to distract
from the show. But there is an app from the
Master's which is free, that will show you not only
the live coverage, but also amen corner and other things,
and you can see the leaderboard. I love this tournament.
It is easily my favorite of all year. It just
comes and goes too fast.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
And if I could afford it, I'd love to get
a ticket to it some days, but I hear the
tickets are very expensive. Even though we've got a story
later on we'll talk about food. Prices have actually gone
down at the Masters this year. Well that they were
bragging it. It's keeping it real.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I mean, you might have to mortgage, get a second
mortage on the house for the tickets, but you get inside,
your hot dog, your your food's going to be very.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Reasonable if you want to get a ticket. I've always
heard you need connections. You have connections. You're just a
lowly guy. You're up there, man, you got connections.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
If I had connections, I was just about to say,
if and when you get yours I'm tagging along. You're
bringing me with you. I'm going that's that is a
place I would love to visit.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Well, it's good to be with you today.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
A lot going on in the world again, of course,
we're anticipating big things tomorrow and the weekend. Tomorrow, Artemis
two is supposed to splash down in the Pacific off
the coast of San Diego.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I believe that came real quick. I think it's an
amazing journey and accomplishment to be as far away from
planet Earth as anyone, any human ever has been, coming
around that dark side of the moon and coming right
back picking up a lot of infro, a lot of
beautiful photoshot like colors. Have you seen the moon and
color like? There's colors. I don't know if there, I don't.

(01:34):
I thought the whole thing was just gray and black.
But I saw I saw the one that had color
all through it, and it was beautiful. I don't know
if it was a maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
The man on the moon has a little garden going.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Maybe maybe someone just got to, you know, start coloring
it on their own.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
But it was a beautiful image, it really was.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
And then of course I think it was on Saturday,
the Vice President, Steve wood, Coffin Jared Kushner sit down
with the Pakistanian. So we're kind of acting as the
moderators between the US and Iran. We'll see how that
all breaks out. And we've got a lot more to
get to today, Greg. So it's going to be a
fun show and we invite you to be a part
of it.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, it is going to be a great show, power
pack show. We've got a lot of great guests coming
on the show. Nick Shirley's going to join us later hour.
He is, you know, he's kind of a big day.
He's a Utah kid. He's he's you know, he's doing
us proud. He's moved up at He's been a keynote
speaker for a number of things, but this is an
event that he is I think he's it's at University
of Uta tomorrow. We're going to talk to him about that.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Nick will join us. We'll talk about the nuns have
taken the State of New York to court. Never messed
with the nuns when I was in parochial school. Never
mess stars. I've got Yeah, I tell you what, never
messed with the nuns. Will tell you what's going on there.
We'll also talk about Alaska. Apparently greg they have found
a huge amount of natural gas. Now in Atlanta, another

(02:54):
field of natural gas up there. The question is can
they build a pipeline to bring it to the concer.
We'll talk about that, and we'll also talk about what
they've done with George Washington and his office in Philadelphia,
the National Park Service wanting to be politically correct in
a year in which we're celebrating the two hundred and
fiftieth birthday of this great country.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, it's everyone. I don't know if you were listening
last summer when I went there with my family in
August to the Smithsonian, the US History Museum.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
They're lying.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
They're telling you that Barnman Bailey, it was all about
global US expansion and imperialism. And it wasn't about you know,
the clowns, the clown the aar and the you know,
elephants and everything else. It was about something bad. If
you like the circus, it's because you want to take
over the world.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, Yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Wasn't really speaking to me.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, not going to be here.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
This is more of that.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, it's a waste, all right. But the one thing.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
We want to start off the show on this because
I think Greg, we were the first media outlet to
talk about this. I think it was on Tuesday. We're
talking about the the invitation commencement speaker at Utah Valley University.
Her name is Sharon McMahon. She's been called Americans government educator,
you know, and the media heaped all kinds of praise

(04:11):
on her, that she's nonpartisan, that she wants to find
a path forward. But in typical fashion for journalism anymore,
they got a bit a little bit lazy and didn't
look at the other side of things.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
They did not. No, I don't know how many how
that if that surprises anyone. But then after we covered
this a little more thoroughly than they did, they omitted
all the relevant facts and the things that we heard
from our listeners. They were this, many of them were
in attendance at this terrible assassination of Charlie Kirkin. Were
really offended that this commencement speaker would have been Yeah,

(04:45):
and whose language post assassination really lines up with the assassin.
They accused assassin's language about Charlie Kirkin. And you'd think
you could find a commencement speaker that it doesn't fit
that bill that you might want to that whole topic
if you want someone to come speak to all the
all the students. It's the largest graduating class they've ever had,
at you view. So the Deseret News tries another bite

(05:08):
at the apple. They're like, Okay, you know that we've
heard from the Rodny Gregg Show, We've heard from their listeners. Okay,
we might have missed something, So we're gonna go ahead
and acknowledge the existence of some critics. Here's what they missed.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, they missed the fact that there's opposition. They missed
the fact. And I love how they kind of just
call it mixed reaction.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, from conservatives lacking the context of what was actually
what she's actually said, which she has since deleted. Yes,
but it is out there. It's been and people can
find it very easily. So they wanted to say, yeah,
there's there's an existence of some critics of our of
this great commencement speaker. They think she was she didn't
read the room or whatever, but they they fail to

(05:50):
really share with the readers what it was that she
said and how disturbingly it is. It mirrors what the
accused assassin had said about Charlie Kirk, which was and
is untrue.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Well, here's what a spokesman for UVU is now saying.
Her name is Sharon Turner, and she said their responses
to her meaning Sharon McMahon. Her speaking for a commencement
has been overwhelmingly positive, and that McMahon spoke on campus
previously and was well received. She focuses on nonpartisan approach
to history and civics, which is consistent with our standards

(06:22):
as a university. And by the way, I like to
post that I think Charlie Kirk I hated him. Yeah,
she didn't say that, but she talked. Didn't she say
it one time? You know, it's sad that he was assassinated,
but you can't ignore the words that he said, the
words of hate. I never recall Charlie Kirk in the
snippets I've seen of Charlie Kirk over the years, talking
to anything and even using the term hate.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Here's the exact quote. Here's her direct quote, which she
would love you not to know about, and she has
her erase from her social media feeds. This is what
she said. This is post assassination. It's important to remember
that the incredible tragedy of a public assassination does not
erase the harm many experienced from his words and the
ensuing actions his followers took. That is fiction. There is

(07:07):
that harm that it doesn't erase, you know, the millions
of people that were harmed by by Charlie Kirk. Come on,
come on, and I just think you're entitled to your opinion.
But does that make you the commencement speaker less than
a year before, you know, less than a year after
this has happened. Yeah, I would think that that would
be something you wouldn't want.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Well, in journalism, there's a phrase you've heard this before
called burying the lead. Yeah, yeah, right, Yeah, Well, the
d News article on this today, they're basically bearing the lead.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, even the existence of the critics, of which they
do account for. You have to go to the bottom
of the story to even start to hear that. Yeah,
those and then then they don't they fail to share
the context we just shared with you folks about what
was actually said.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, so we'll we'll talk more about that. We've got
a lot to get to today. It's great to have
you with us here on The Running Greg Show. Coming
up next here on Talk Radio one oh five nine
can arrest nun's on the run. Well, this time they're
running to the courts because they don't like what the
State of New York is doing to them. We'll explain
that coming up right here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine. kN R S Click spent eight years

(08:07):
in parochial prison.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
We've heard it sounds, and I always thought it was
tough with I know you better, boy. I have a
view of.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Respect and they're really good teachers, but they're tough. So
I learned early on, probably about first grade, you don't
mess with the nuns because they will get you.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I've learned that from you.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, yeah, And the New York may now be learning
that because apparently some Roman Catholic nuns operating in a
New York facility that provides care for poor cancer patients
has now launched a lawsuit against the State of New
York over some new regulations. Let's find out more about
Adjoining us on our any hour newsmaker line Valerie Richardson.

(08:47):
She has a national reporter for The Washington Times. Haven't
had Vala on the show for quite some time. Vala,
how are you and welcome back to the Rotting Greg Show.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Great thanks for having me on. Nice to hear from you.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
All right, val, What is the New York State New
York State itself doing to these nuns?

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Why are they so upset?

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Well, it turns out two years ago the state legislature
passed the law that said that you cannot discriminate, that
nursing homes cannot discriminate long term term care facilities against
LGBTQ individuals, which includes which basically means that the transgender
individuals in these long term nursing care homes have to
be able to be referred to by their preferred pronouns,

(09:26):
their preferred names. You have to house them or room
them based on the sex they identify with, not their
biological sex, which means you know, transgender women in with
biological women, and you have to let the use restrooms
also based on their gender identity. So the nuns, these
are the Dominican Sisters of Hawthorne. They run a forty

(09:47):
two bed facility and it's a nursing home, but not
just any nursing home. This is a nursing home for
dying cancer patients. I mean people who are terminally ill
and they provide their services free of charge. It's for
the digent, and they are being told. They've received a
number of letters from State of New York say you
have to start complying with our transgender mandate, and the
nuns have written back and have gotten no response. So

(10:10):
this week they followed the federal lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
It makes perfect sense that they would draw a bright
line and say we're not going to comply with this.
We're not going to take the time to even try,
because we're about the business of helping the you know,
the people that are passing away and dying of cancer.
But my question is is this an administrative resistance or
do some of the patients that they take care of
are they demanding certain things? Are there is there a

(10:35):
desire that they let boys in the women's bathrooms and
ask pronouns of everyone? Is there is there a real
is this a real problem or is this an administrative issue.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
There's no indication that anybody at their home their facility
has made any kind of requests along these lines to
be able to use opposite sex restrooms or opposite sex
room and definements. None of this has come up that
we know about. At the Dominican home that they operate.
It's possible it's come up somewhere. But when the law
passed two years ago, apparently there were examples of people

(11:09):
in nursing homes or long term care facilities who said
the people weren't using their crush pronouns and they felt
discriminated against. And so they passed this law, and the
Dominican Sisters, because they run the home that they run,
have to comply with it. But the state apparently did
not even respond to their letter. They sent them a
letter from their lawyers saying, you know, you need to
give us a religious accommodation. And in fact, the law

(11:31):
does contain a religious accommodation for another denomination, the Church
of Christ Scientists, but it contains no exemption for Catholics
or in the other denomination valance.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Has anyone heard from the sponsor of this bill and
was the sponsor of the bill aware that problems like
this may crop up if in fact it designed the law.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
I have not heard anything from the sponsor, but the
State Department of the New York State Department of Health,
which is in charge with enforcing this law, has come
back and said, you know, we're reviewing the lawsuit, but
we you know, we're determined to make sure that people
aren't discriminated against the nursing homes and so you know,
that's that's an indication that the state's going to try
to defend this law. They haven't the lawsu was only

(12:14):
just filed this week. They haven't put in their response,
but so far they're saying, no, we were we think
this is a you know, we don't. We would to
avoid a discriminarty sittionary situation, and we want nursing homes
to you know, accommodate the the wishes of their transgender patients.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
So do they get an injunction? I mean, do they
have are they required to follow this law until it
judge thys other ways or are they in kind of
limbo or an injunction where they don't have to till
it's decided.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, No, they haven't gone an injunction. They've just filed this. So, yeah,
they came up. If something came up at their facility,
they would you know, they'd be subject of fines and
as a matter of fact, you can receive up to
one U in jail for a violation.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Of the law. And they kind of tipped their hand,
haven't they. Oh No, I.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Would love to see New York State police coins in prison.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
You can't help these cancer patients that are passing. You
got to go to jail because you know.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
It's not going to be a good look. It will
not be a good look at all. I cannot imagine
the governor Kathy Hochel One City part of this. But
we'll see how the state responds.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
It's going to be interesting. Valle is always good to
work on this and thanks for joining us. Good to
have you back on the show. Yeah, thanks for having
me all rank you Vali Richardson. She's with the Washington
Times talking about this, this nutty story. In a related matter,
Remember it was a couple of weeks ago, Greg where
we had a state representative I can't remember her name

(13:37):
ugs here on the show talking about incorporating some Bible
versus into into studies, right, social studies. Guess what state
of Texas doing the same thing, basically the same thing.
Actually they want to incorporated into some of their civics
and social studies because they relate. So Utah not alone
in this effort at all.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, you like to see a lot of states that,
especially red states that start doing those state laws together,
there's a strength in number, and I'm glad to hear that.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
It's good news.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
All Right, We've got a lot to get to today
when we come back. A conversation with Nick Shirley. That's
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine
k n R S.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
The Shadow band, uh citizen Greg Hughes, who doesn't just
mike turned on because my.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
You know what, you do have a button sensor? You
do have a button.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
I see it, but I don't know that it works.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
I think this so it doesn't it works. Hey, do
you know what's abby today?

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I did? I spoke with Addie.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Wearing a ball cap like tough today.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah she is. She's not messing around.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
You're not messing around today.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
I don't know if you saw our social media post,
but she talked about how when she was young she
wanted to be a war correspondent and her mother I
dissuaded her from that idea. But I'll tell you what, boy,
you saw the You saw the twinkle in her eye
when we saw that six o'clock deadline coming with Trump,
she was ready to cover it all. So she's she's
in her heart of hearts.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
That she's wearing today.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
If it's her official war correspondents off could be.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
That's that's what made me think of it, because she
looks like she's ready to go into into the crossfire.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Looking tough today. She sure is.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Well.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
This young man who we're about to have on the
show is absolutely amazing. He's a Utah native, uh, and
he has made a name for himself and it's taken
a whole lot of courage to do that.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Greg.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
It's actually omnipresent on my mind because he's you know,
the Leftist is a Party of Ireland. So I do
I worry about the kid?

Speaker 3 (15:24):
I do?

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Young man?

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, Now we're talking about Nick Shirley. Many of you
may know Nick because he exposed the fraud in Many
in Minneapolis. He's exposed the fraud of course in Los
Angeles on YouTube. Is pretty amazing and uh, he will
be speaking tomorrow up the University of Utah. I guess
there's a College Republican convention taking place up there, is that, right?

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Greg?

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah? Yeah, College Republicans are putting on a big, big event.
He's kind of the high highlight. H you know, he's
the lead guy, but there's going to be lawmakers like
I think Speaker Schultz, Mike Schultz from the State House
will be there, like Mike Congressman Mike Kennedy, State Representative
Matt McPherson will be there. Just names I've seen advertised.
So it's going to be a good event. And I
think when you go to the U it's the belly

(16:06):
of the beast. I think that's where a bunch of
libs are running around. They're going to be upset about
them being there. So let the debate and the discussions begin.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
And Nick loves it, and he's joining us on our
Newsmaker line right now. Nick, thanks for joining us this afternoon.
I want to ask you, Nick, what is your message
going to be to these young college Republicans tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (16:23):
It's a great question, and the message will be essentially
here in the United States, you still can make a difference,
no matter if you're twenty years old or if you're
sixty years old, like I think now more than ever,
with who's in office and also what we have it
accessible to our fingertips, you really can make a difference,
whether it be through making a viral video or going

(16:45):
and talking to a representative.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
You know, Nick, you're a hometown guy. We love watching you.
The good work that you're doing is getting noticed all
over this country, and it's an important effort that you're
engaged in. The Two things I always think of is
be safe and don't go Hollywood on it. So I
appreciate this event. Tell me who is participating? Who have
you teamed up with? I mean this event so that

(17:07):
we know who's helping put this all together. At the
it's at the you right in University of Utah.

Speaker 6 (17:12):
Yeah, it's with the College Republicans, No UKA, so all
those are in that group will be there. I think
I saw that Phil Lyman will be there as well.
So it should be an amazing event.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Nick, in your wildest imagination, when you first started out
doing this, did you even think you'd get to where
you are today that so many people are watching you
and wondering what you're going to be doing next.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
I would like to say I didn't, but I kind
of knew that, just with my consistency of me doing it,
that eventually something would break. Never did I imagine I'd
have the most viral video ever on X But I
knew that event it was going to lead to something big.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
So so Nick, you are in a you're in rare air.
You're a you're a young man, and you're making a
big different and you're helping shape in a very very
important narrative around fraud and all the whether bngo's or
medicaid fraud, you name it. You're actually exposing it, pulling
back the curtain. There are other young Republicans, like college Republicans,

(18:14):
people that are you, young people your age that are
also making a big impact. But here's what my question
is this, I'm noticing some old heads. I'm an old head,
so I can call them old heads who are influencers
on social media who actually are critical of you, are
critical of a young man, Kay Schwemmer, I find it odd.
I find it completely disproportionate. How do you handle that

(18:38):
and how much of that do you feel in terms
of some of the bigger names that try to go
after young guns like yourself.

Speaker 7 (18:45):
I honestly just laugh.

Speaker 6 (18:47):
I think it's funny because they know that they're losing
the reason why they get upset is because they're losing
their audience and they're trying to catch on something else
to grift on.

Speaker 7 (18:56):
So I don't take offense to it. If anything, it's good.

Speaker 8 (18:59):
For me positive social proofing. I would agree, Nick, Where
do you decide to go? I mean what you know
where DoD When did you decide? I think I've got
to go up to Minnesota? You get done with Minnesota.
I think I'm going to go to Los Angeles, see what's.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Going on there? How do you decide that? Are people saying, hey, Nick,
you should come in and take a look at this.
How do you decide where you're going to go next
or what issue you're going to tackle next?

Speaker 7 (19:24):
A lot of it's from my fans, from that support me.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
I'm always constantly reading my messages, always reading comments. I'm
always on the Internet, checking to keep my finger on
the pulst of what's happening in the country. And then
on top of that, for the past two years, I've
been going to a new location every single week to
film the video. So I have a really good idea
of what's actually happening in the country versus people who
just stay on their laptops or.

Speaker 7 (19:48):
Do videos from their from their studios.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Nick, you said something important and important when we began
this discussion, and it's that your message is everyone can
make a difference, and that there's there's a lot of
space to really do some good things. Not everyone has
to have the number of followers that you do. Not
everyone has to be owned. I know it's confident, and
I love that you have it and that you've done it,
that you knew this is the path you were going
to go and this is what would happen. But talk
to everyday listeners of our program or just the people

(20:14):
that you think you'll be speaking to tomorrow. What can
people do if they're not Nick Sureley, if they're not
going to have a giant following on social media? What
are some of the productive things that young Americans, all
Americans should be really engaged in.

Speaker 6 (20:28):
I think if you see something, you should say something.
So if you see something that is a bit suspicious,
if you're seeing, for instance, if you're not seeing any
kids ever going in the daycare that you're driving by
five days a week, if you see something, you should
say something. And then if you do believe that something's happening,
go to your government website, the state of the government

(20:49):
website of your state and a lot of the acts
the information is public, and just do a little bit
of digging and then reach out to your representative or
if the police who represent your area that you think
would help best.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Crock.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
As we're speaking now, I noticed the Attorney general in
California's lunching a big investigation into a hospice fraud ring,
which I know you've been digging into. Am I correct?

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Nick?

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Did did Gavin Newsome call you a pedophile?

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Inded, what was your response to that or what was
your reaction when he said.

Speaker 6 (21:23):
That, he insided like he gave hint that he was
depicting me as a pedophile?

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (21:31):
My response to that was like, what are you guys doing?
Why are you guys trying to make the person exposing
the fraud be.

Speaker 7 (21:38):
Out to be the bad man.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Why don't you guys.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
Help out instead of just trying to attack the messenger.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
You know, the Left, they like that they are a
party of violence as far as I'm concerned, and they
do fement fear. They the violence is to fement fear,
which is supposed to scare people like yourself. And as
you say, if you see something, say something. Their their
strategies that you say nothing because you're afraid. I don't
want you to give details but how do you keep
how do you keep yourself safe against establishment? Lots of

(22:10):
lots of money that's been stolen and there's you know,
people have defrauded this country. How how do you how
do you weigh the safety with really getting the word
out and exposing the things that you do or how
people would how you'd like to see people do it.

Speaker 7 (22:27):
So I do have security now that helps?

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (22:31):
And then uh.

Speaker 6 (22:34):
Yeah, I mean everything I've done has been truthful, so
like they can't really come after me.

Speaker 7 (22:38):
But like the fraudsers are upset.

Speaker 6 (22:40):
I've taken down two billion dollar fraud teams here in America.

Speaker 7 (22:44):
Russian mafia called.

Speaker 6 (22:45):
My mom from somebody else. They've made some phone calls
to somebody who knew my mom. They said, make sure
Nick doesn't come snooping around our businesses in LA.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
So people are upset, But I just do my best.
Uh stay safe. Wow, I really don't go anywhere.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Wow. Nick.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
A final question for you, is it true your mom's
kind of getting involved into this as well? Nick, She's
starting to dig some of this stuff up as well.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Is that right? Oh?

Speaker 6 (23:11):
Yeah, my mom she's like I call her like the
producer in my channel. She helps a lot of stuff
behind the scenes, and then she also does her own
kind of reporting as well.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
I need her on that Tiajuana toilet I put in
that Pacific Ocean. I'm so I'm still on tilt about that,
and you guys are the only ones that really good
put some good eyes on that thing, so hopefully that
gets improved. But your mom did some good You and
your mother did some good reporting from down there as
that's been going on.

Speaker 7 (23:36):
But yeah, my mom's amazing part of the team.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, she is a big part of the team. Nick,
thanks for joining us.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
He'll be at the University of Utah tomorrow the event
gets underway, I believe at three thirty. And not only Nick,
but as you mentioned, Congressman Mike Kennedy, Yeah, Speaker of
the House Mike Schultz will be there. Phil Lyman will
be there, Rob Axson with the Republican Party. A lot
of speakers there tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, and again I called the Belly of the Beast.
If you're at the I'm sure there's going to be
some chirpers out there, so I think it'll be a
fun time, all.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Right, Mark, coming up, it is the Rodd and Gregg
Show right here. On Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine, Canna,
that's great to be with you this afternoon on that
amazing rescue that took place last week last weekend, as
a matter of fact, in Iran, right, and everybody's praising
the military. But you know, this guy is a joke.
He's one of the jokes on MSN. Now, okay, Lawrence o'donald,
don't listen to this point he made about the rescue

(24:31):
and the news conference following it.

Speaker 9 (24:32):
That brilliant rescue was described by the Secretary of Defense
and by General Dan Kine, the Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff, as a longstanding American military rule of
never leaving anyone behind.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
We leave no man behind.

Speaker 9 (24:52):
That is, of course, the old school version of the idea,
back when only men flew American military plans. General Dan Kine,
the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, put it this.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Way, we leave no one behind.

Speaker 9 (25:11):
The General knows unlike Pete hegseth, but that could have
been a woman they were trying to rescue, and it might.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Be a woman. The next time, is Lawrence o'donald a joke?

Speaker 2 (25:23):
He is, he's in a parse words, that's his big
he has this, he has this you know cable network
no one watches, but that he has a point to
make an opportunity to make a point, And that's his
big uha moment. Leave no man behind, leave no one behind.
Oh did you hear the two about how different they were? Oh,

(25:44):
it's so terrible. All this guy's falling.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Come on, I mean they.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Have to they are so petty. Well, I just want
to say to Lawrence Donald, let me tell you what
I really think. Okay, forget about no man and no one?
How about all the people? How about the bass or
you left behind him, got drugs through the streets dead.
How about the soldiers meant to protect him that you
left there to die? How about the twelve in Afghanistan

(26:10):
that you left when Yeah, when they withdrew. That's the
bigger story that he'll never tell. They are a children
our number two. Roden's Gray coming your way, Stay with
beautiful day on the outside today. Really nice. That's a theory.
We're in a studio right now.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
We can't see. We can't see a thing.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Walked out there. I don't know, but I'm told I
have good sources. They say it's a nice day.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
That it was nice. Before we get into the subject
we wanted to talk about. You know what's interesting everybody.
You know, what was it the Desert News on Sunday
or Monday or whenever editorialized in the language that the
president was using, and how it was you know, it's
not appropriate for the office, and went on and on
about that. And you know, I didn't like the use

(26:56):
of the language either, but you know, you've got to
talk their language. And he was talking to the American people.
He was talking to the nut jobs in Iran, and
that's the only language they understand.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, there was a good post.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I clipped it. I could go back and find it
that we're a member of the military, a veteran who
served in the Middle East, and said, look, you might
not like it, it might offend you a bit. I'll
tell you what. He is speaking to the people that
are out there. And we know, and your veterans know
that the New York Times aren't aren't blazing the trail
of anything that's going to be successful in that region.
It will be Donald Trump, and he is speaking. They

(27:28):
know one thing they know, it's power if you have
someone that speaks to them and stark terms, even rude
terms that they're going to hear. That they're not going
to hear the diplomacy and all the shuttle diplomacy that
the State Department would love to do for twenty years. No,
this is real, and this veteran just says he's he
is speaking the language they understand.

Speaker 6 (27:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, Now here's what's funny about all of this. The media,
of course, is going crazy over what the president had
to say. Yeah, I know, the Democrats, they're going craze.
The New York Times, of all things, all plays did
a story this morning, guess who drops the.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
F more.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Democrats? Democrats exactly. Of course, I've seen so many posts,
especially about to do a Trump. It seems like I
think that might that word might be part of his name.
I think they think that's part of his name Donald,
you know what Trump. I don't think they know it's
a J. I think they think that starts with an F.
That word, that name, and so yeah, they do it
all the time, and they think they're edgy and cool.

(28:28):
And then when he talks to you know, these Mullas
and he's talking to this regime and Iran, and he's
getting tough and he's using these a bit of a swearberr.
He's using rude language. Then they clutch their pearls and
say he's a madman. He's a madman. Well, what are
you then, because you've been doing that. We're not Mulla's,
we're not iron You're not speaking to some you know,

(28:49):
fanatical regime and Iran. When you when you post what
you do online, you're supposedly talking to Americans, it's just
such a double stand.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Well, and here's another thing.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Remember it was just weeks ago the uh the candidate
for the Senate in Illinois replacing I think Dick Durbin.
Her whole ad was about, you know, people who don't
like Trump Trump dropping the F bump, Yeah, f Trump,
F Trump. Her whole TV ad was exactly like that.
And what's so funny about this, I think greg, is
that they think using language like this is going to

(29:22):
create better policy.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Or they're trying to they're trying to act like Trump.
They think they they think that doing that makes them
act like Trump, and they know that Trump's popular, but
it's not those it's not how what he says take
it to the American people that I mean, the way
they're doing it. They just continue to misread Trump entirely.
They just don't even understand it. But even listen to
Robert de Niro, who I used to like as an
actor when he stayed in his lane and was a

(29:46):
modern day court jester. Now he wants to tell us
about his politics. The language he uses about Trump, it
makes it makes Casino the movie look like a graded
G kids movie. Okay, it's it's out of control. He's crazy.
Well look at Colbert. Colbert will look right into the
camera and say, f Trump. Yeah, yeah, it's I love
that they're replacing Colbert with a comedy show from Byron Allen,

(30:11):
which is a big slam because that's what the Tonight
Show in Late Night used to be. It was was
all revolved around comedy. It was supposed to be a
comedy format, and they have abandoned that and they've made
it dark and they scald you all night long. And
it's just I'm glad to see him go. I can't
waits in May.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
I think all right now, after failing to make the
twenty twenty six ballot, Prop four, which is the redistricting issue,
is still losing uton support. As a matter of fact,
I think a second Senate district has now dropped below
the level they needed to be and there could be
a third out there. We were talking about this and
with as many people, I mean they had what I

(30:51):
more than ten thousand Utons have had their name removed
from these ballots, right, And that throws me and I
think it does you as well. Why do they sign
it in the first place? I mean ten thousand people,
Greg guess probably more than that. Now, why sign it
in the first place? Was there something confusing? And what
were you told to convince you to take your name

(31:12):
off the ballot?

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah? I'm curious because and I'll tell you what, if
you want to look at glass half full, most of
the worst pieces of public policy did not go through
a legislative process in the state. These were leftists that
carpet bombed the state on statewide initiatives. What the leftists
have now done has shown us what you can do
by way of spending your resources in time trying to

(31:34):
take names off and explaining what you know. And in
their case there I've seen some of their narratives and
they're saying that you know that if you signed that,
you actually signed something that helps jerrymandering. I don't know
how what we have today isn't the proof that jerrymandering
is is worse than it's ever been in the state.
You tell me, you have a plus twenty four percent
Kamala Harris Democrat Blue district, seventy three percent Republican and another.

(31:58):
So that looks pretty gerrymannered. But I think that the
term and how they persuade people to take their name off,
and it was people were complaining They're getting harassed to death.
They're like, I didn't know if I signed my name
was gonna get eighty you know, calls, texts, you know,
just mail everything telling me to take it off. Some
might want to take their name off just to be
left alone.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Who knows.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
But what the Democrats, what the leftists, have shown us
is if they want to do another Obamacare expansion on
this and this is how they got it passed in
our state when the legislature defeated it, they did it
through this this initiative process. You just got to go
after they get their signatures and it just work on
bringing them down below the margin. That's how you do it.

Speaker 10 (32:34):
You know.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I'm wondering, Greg, why did ten thousand people more than
that sign it and then realize, nah, maybe I didn't
want to do that and take my name off.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
What are the what were they being told?

Speaker 2 (32:46):
I will bet that out of all of our listeners,
which is a I think a very large crowd.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
We have people who were lobbied contact who signed and
were also at the attempt at least to persuade them
to take their name off has occurred. Maybe they could
share their perspective of what they what happened to them.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Well, remember rob Ackson, do you Republican Party chairman? When
this was all coming down, he said he had people
in his neighborhood come up and tell him they were
harassed five or six times by people knocking on their
door or give me a phone call saying would you
like to take your name off this issue?

Speaker 2 (33:18):
And remember they were harassing when they were assigning it
in the first place. They had to put people around
them say quit bothering him.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Well, we'd like to hear from you if you signed
and then took your name off, which I doubt many
of our listeners did. But what did you hear if
you were contacted to take your name off? I'd like
know the pitch they made eight eight eight five seven
eight zero one zero triple eight five seven eight zero
one zero on your cell phone to help pound two
to fifty and say hey Rod, or leave us a
message on our talkback line. All you do is have

(33:45):
to download the iHeartRadio app and you can see where
to do that. I keep on forgetting to bring this
up because it's kind of like patting yourself on the back,
and I don't like to do that, but I'm going
to do it now.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Anyway, you break your own pass.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, yeah, week a week from this, coming Monday, April twentieth, Yeah,
a free concert at a Bravanel hall. I will be
there with I believe it's called the Skylar Symphony. They
will be performing a number of pieces, and they've asked
me to narrate two of them. I'll be narrating the
classic children's story Peter and the Wolf, and also narrating

(34:17):
a young person's Guide to the Orchestra. I'm you know what,
I at a Bravon hall. That'd be kind of cool, folks.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
This isn't something they just willing, nearly asked the man
to do. He's been actually working. No, he's been working
on this.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
He's been.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
I don't expect to see you in on the twentieth.
I will take I will run the show solo, so
you don't have to be Russian anywhere to get there
and do your whole deal. But you know, when we've been,
I've never done anything like that. I've got to tell
our listeners. When we were at the National Republican Convention
and talk show ROW, the syndicated producers would come and say, Rod,
can we just record your voice? We'd like to use

(34:51):
it for an alarm to wake us up. We just
think your voice is like milk. Yeah, you know, so
I know why your voice is in high demand. But
I know you've you've practiced.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
We've been for a week. I've never done anything like this.
You know what scares me what I do not know
how to read a lick of music. So I'm having
to use my ear for the cues as to when
I come in and say something.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Because I was gonna say, they're asking a sing, So
what do you got to read the music for?

Speaker 3 (35:15):
You got to know when to narrate.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Oh you know, so I don't put a bit if
I they no one had ask me first. I don't
have the voice for this, but I would just need
them to just I don't know. They'd have to give
me a cue. I don't know, a stroke light, do something,
make a big flag.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
That's what I'm thinking. Or because I told him, I
go and I told him right up front. Guys, I
can't read a liku of music. I would love to
do this, but if you want to find something, so
my wife has been kind of teaching me how to
read music.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Uh yeah, don't teach a dog nutrients. Have someone the
way that you go now now just point at you
like you you were a TV guy that you had
people that said you're on the air.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Now go just wink, do whatever. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
But it is going to be Monday night, April twentieth
at a Bravoel Hall and it is a free, free event.
So the event so if you want to bring the
f have a lot of fun, We'll be there and
see if I can mess up the story of people.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
I want our listeners to ten because I want the
calls to tell us how well you did, and I
want to hear it. I want to hear the critique. Yeah, yeah,
it'd be fun.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
You know what, And they get no one knows will
know I've screwed up. Why if you think about it.
If I mess up a little bit, no one will know.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
If you start stumbling over here, if you might starter, well, yeah,
if I do that.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
But if I'm stumbling over or miss a cube, we
can we work out. You're a professional. I would love
to see you get out.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Oh I'm not.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
There's a reason I've never been asked to do anything
of the sort, so my voice is not in high demand.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Okay, yours is will remind you that again. It's coming
up on April twentieth a Bravodel Hall, a free concert.
There are a number of other pieces being performed as well,
but I'm narrating to them.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
They can come for yours, and they can they can
feel free to leave after they've listened to you.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Well, I think I'm kind of we're space between a
couple of them, so it's not like that.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
That's how they capture the audience. They have to space
you out so we can. I'll listen to you, but
can't leave.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
You know.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
After three children, we finally picked up on what Disney
does you know the Disney on ice thing?

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Okay, and you get there, well, what they do here,
here's how they wor kid. You go to Disney on
Ice and they have these little toys that they're selling, right,
and every kid wants one. Okay, So what Disney on
Ice does is they perform for about an hour and
fifteen minutes, they take a break so everybody can run
out and get the new toy, which they do, and

(37:33):
then they come back and wrap it up in fifteen minutes.
It's like, that's how they work it.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
Man.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
We snagged them, we hooked them, and we wheeled them in.
Now we're just gonna get out of here them. Let's
go back to shore. We got all the we got
all the fish we needed.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
All right, let's talk about the business's hand. I want
to know, Greg, what what was said to people who
sign the petition to put the Prompt four issue on
the ballot. What they were told to convince them that
they wanted their name removed. And now because of that,
there won't be a question on the ballot this year.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
I thought it would be the easiest case to make,
because you can see what that twenty eighteen vote has
done to the state, and I think a lot of
people would be unsettled to see those wide varying percentages
of Republican and Democrat seats in a state like Utah,
and that isn't what I think people signed up or
what they even advertised it was going to be. But
minimally you didn't have to even agree or disagree with that,

(38:31):
but you could say, is it appropriate for us to
now know what that means and now maybe revisit that
twenty eighteen decision with some receipts on how that's going
to work and decide whether we still like that or not.
That is a very valid question that I don't know
how the people that got people to take their name
off convinced someone that no, we don't need to revisit
that it was fine if this is perfect. Utah has

(38:53):
a plus twenty four percent Democrat, blue blue district. Yeah,
that's just.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Come on.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Where they told something to sign the petition and then
they think, and my guess is the people who are
trying to get their name off it, they were telling
those people you were lied to. And that's why I just,
you know, I don't trust anybody involved in this prop
fourth thing. I really don't, because I know where it's
coming from. Eric Holder and Barack Obama and if you

(39:23):
dare to trust those two guys, you're in a heap
of trouble.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Well, and so the narrative would go, were you lied
to to sign it? Or were you lied to to
take it off? Take your name off?

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:32):
And I'm going to put my money on you got
lied to to take it off?

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
I do. I think that they absolutely create a false
narrative for that, because I don't think it's a hard
sell to want to revisit that decision, given what's happened
with the judge getting to choose it all outside of
the duly elected legislature, which constitutionally is opposed to, and
the outcome, the product of their effort is just an
absolute jokes. It's as partisan as you can humanly get.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Well, and we now know their game plan because Salt
Lake Blake gave it away. He did remember in that
town hall meeting he said, the teeth of this commission
is the fact that even if the legislature strikes it
down and doesn't like the map, we can take him
to court and called it did he call that the.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Teeth of the initiative.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
The teeth and the better boundaries is that it creates
a private right of action where there we go. The
proposition said, they don't have to take our map, but
we're going to present one for an upper down vote.
But what he went on to say, and this is
twenty eighteen before he ran and won a seat in Congress,
he said, if they decide they don't want the map,
take it or leave it. You can't change it. You

(40:38):
either got to vote up or down. What he went
on to say is if they say no, then we
have a private right of action where we can go
to a judge and get our way. And that that
right there is what happened. And that wasn't even how
the people that would have signed it in twenty eighteen,
they were never told that little detail that here's what
we want, really what we want because we don't care

(40:59):
if they accept our map or not. We want a
private right of action so we can get to a
liberal judge to draw our congressional what's your name dirty,
Diana Yea Gibson, Yeah, thirty Diana Gibson. Now in the
retention election, I don't know if the word dirty is
going to be in there, but Dianna Gibson definitely will be.
And we won't a vote no, we do not want
to retain.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Oh I wish I lived in her distance.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Oh well, and all these Supreme Court just state Supreme
Court justices need go as well.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Big no one, every one of them. Guys.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
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Speaker 2 (41:47):
I'm rod Arquet, I'm citizen Greg Hughes.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
All right, if you're just joining us now.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
We were talking about the the failure of Prop four,
the challenge to Prop four to get on the ballot.
The Publican Party worked like crazy hearing this state. They
got more than one hundred and forty thousand signatures were required,
but the total didn't amount. It is the most important factor, right,
it's the various districts Senate districts in what do you

(42:13):
have to get more than fifty percent?

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Dah I get twenty six out of twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Twenty six had twenty nine district But in each district,
how many votes did jaft to go?

Speaker 2 (42:21):
It was a a percentage from the total vote in
that in that Senate district in an even numbered presidential
year or something like that. So each Senate district had
a different threshold by a way of how many votes
came in either an even numbered years or a presidential
election year, and you had to have a certain sixty percent.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Of that Yeah, something like that. Yeah, Yeah, And they
failed in one of the districts. I think it's the
Senate district in which state representative reb Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
He's a Democrat, which kind of makes sense.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Which makes sense, And she's going to be I think
she's now she's running for Congress.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, she's one of the candidates. There's a lot of candidates.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, one of the candidates there. There's another district, and
there's a third district is a Todd Wyler's district that
they may not have enough numbers there either.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Yeah, the numbers are still coming, the signatures are still
coming off, which I'm surprised once they lowered to that,
they lowered the threshold. I thought that that effort would stop.
I mean, there's nothing that was lost in the mail
from the time they announced this week's ago till now,
so they must still be doing it or yeah, but
I don't know what the point of that is other
than to resoundingly what, in.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Your opinion, Greg, could they make to convince someone to
take their name off the ballot.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Or they have to tell them they were lied to
for the reasons they signed it. They said, why you know,
the only thing they can say would be if your
name appears on this, to go put this on the ballot.
What this really is is a way to ignore the
will of the people to protect the legislature's ability to jerrymander,
and they want to take away the voice that you

(43:50):
exercised back in twenty eighteen. That's I'm guessing because I
didn't get I didn't get this hard campaign against me,
did I? So I didn't see it or hear it.
But that's the only thing I think you could do
is just misrepresent what the what their signature meant, and
what it was going to do. What it was really
going to do is revisit the twenty eighteen decision that

(44:10):
passed by fifty point three six percent was zero dollars
opposing and two million dollars at least to support that
for all leftists out of state money. All they were
saying is, let's let's revisit it. Now we see what
it meant. Now we can see that process and how
it rolled out. Is this what we signed up for
in eighteen? Does this look like what we did? That

(44:32):
would have been a good, good campaign season to have
that on both sides, pros and con have that debate.
They didn't. For the people that are saying we need
to protect the will of the people, they app they
went out there and prevented the will of the people
to review what was done in twenty eighteen and maybe reconsider.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
You know, the election laws a lot better than I do.
Could this organization gone to those districts, looked at people
who voted and see which party they affiliate with. Yes,
So they could have gone seen all the Democrats in
a certain distance and then gone to those Democrats and
say did you sign this and why did you sign it?
And you should take your name off it because if not,

(45:09):
we as Democrats are going to lose the seat here. Yeah,
I mean, that's been one of the arguments.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Absolutely, yep. They There's a lot of arguments you can make.
And here's the double edged sword. There's a time and
there's still people that would argue that our voter data
should be remain private and that you shouldn't be able
to see someone's party affiliation or their address or anything
like that. It makes it very hard for voter outreach
get out the vote if you don't know who's vote.

(45:35):
Here's the biggest problem with that kind of so called privacy.
It's very hard to verify an election if you don't
know who voted, if you don't understand who showed up
to vote. What do you compare it to if all
of the if all that voter, those voter records are
are hidden, and so you do need some transparency in
this entire process. Part of that transparency would be if

(45:57):
you looked up their name and you looked up their
voter registration, would see if they were unaffiliated a Democrat
or a Republican. And you know, we let a lot
of people hide that affiliation in their in their voter registration,
done for purposes of identity theft or privacy or whatever
it may be, sure, but what it also what the
unintended consequence was, or for some maybe the intended consequence

(46:18):
is that you can't pair up and an if it's
if you can only be a Republican to vote, but
you have more Republican registered voters that have been counted,
then you have public records to say those people actually voted.
What are you supposed to do with that? That's true,
it doesn't, it doesn't match up. You've got to have
a transparent way so that you can see that minimally
your elections are being conducted openly and honestly.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Yeah, well, let's go to our talkback line and see
what our talkback listeners have to say. If you'd like
to get on the show, you can give us a
call as well. Eighty eight eight five seven o eight
zero one zero. Here's a comment being made to the
Rod and Greg show this afternoon.

Speaker 11 (46:54):
So those people assigned that four proposition too, we've built
Prop four. We need to make sure our names are
still on there and that someone hasn't removed our names
for us. We should go all go from that, because
if they've falsibly been moving our names, that's not good.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
That's probably what's happening.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
We should go check that I didn't even think about that,
but maybe the names were removed without people knowing.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Well, I love our listeners. I didn't think of that either,
But I do think that there should be something online
for us to confirm that we are still being counted
in that column of wanting that because again with a
lack of transparency and by the way, finding out who who,
what party you're registered with or if you're unaffiliated. The

(47:38):
Lieutenant governor sent this terrible letter to the people who
have their name. It says the legislature passed a bill
to take away your privacy. She leads with that that
sounds rude. Okay, that sounds like that sounds very heavy handed,
does not sound like something you'd like to hear. But
that is not what is happening there. It's what I described.
You've got to be able to verify who these people
who people are and if they in fact did did

(48:00):
vote or sign their name to a petition. So I
do think you should we should all be good, diligent
and making sure that someone didn't represent falsely that we
want our name taken off when we didn't.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yeah, here's another comment on the talk back line.

Speaker 12 (48:16):
I signed that petition at a Walmart, and two weeks
later I started getting texts calls. I blocked and marked
everything as spam. Then later on I got a letter.
The letter made me feel like I signed the wrong petition.
I wanted to look up my name and see if

(48:41):
I signed the right petition to verify.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Interesting thought, he may have signed the wrong petition.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
That reminds me. I did hear that there was some
They were trying to use some chaos factor here too,
to say that you wanted to do this. That's not
what this that petition really did you signed the wrong one.
You need to take your name off and to the
to the talkback live comment, it did cause some confusion.
And I bet you, out of the ten thousand that
you've you've done that, you've said that have pulled their

(49:11):
name off, how many actually agree that they wanted that
revisited but were convinced through this campaign that they signed
the wrong petition.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
So are you telling me the Mormon Women for Ethical
Government we're telling people? Are we relying to people?

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I think yeah, that's I think that the.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Mormon Women for Ethical Government.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Who funds them, and you know that there's not a
lot of ethics going on with those leftists that are
funding that organization sadly.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah, all right, We've got more of your calls and
comments coming up. It is the Rod and Gregg Show
here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine k
n R as we want to find out what they
said to people. Gordon is in Midvale tonight. Maybe can
help shed some light on this. Gordon, how are you
welcome to the show?

Speaker 5 (49:54):
Doing well?

Speaker 13 (49:55):
Thank you. I'm an affiliated voter. If I wanted to
sign the no one contacted me. I had to seek
them out, find them, go sign the petition. When I
signed it, it was at a park the petition was
being signed. The people there who were presenting it were
a couple of very large men. Nobody was going to
intimidate them. They didn't pitch anything to me. They just

(50:18):
handed me the clipboard. I made sure it was the
correct proposition. I signed it. Then I got a letter. Initially,
I got a visit, and the person who visited me
at my home told me I had been lied to
and if I didn't take my name off of that petition,
I was encouraging Jerry Mandarin. And I just told them

(50:38):
that I was not lied to. I knew what I
signed and if I could, I would sign it again.
Good Tree, And after that I still continue to get
phone calls, text in another.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Letter, well, intimidation. Intimidation pretty amazing. Let's go to Michael
in Brigham City. He wants to weigh in on this
as well. Michael, what say you?

Speaker 14 (50:57):
I had a very similar story. I had someone going
in my case, going door to door mentioned the proposition,
and because I listened to your show, I was more
familiar with what was going on, I was willing to
sign it. And then shortly afterwards I got one text
message at first saying that I've been misinformed by the
other side. I didn't go into detail on what side,

(51:20):
but it had enough information that if I wasn't informed,
I would have been convinced to take my name off
of it. And you know, I blocked that number because
I knew well enough. I'm like, no, this is what
I want. But then I got two other text messages
and I even got one letter on the mail, all
very similar worded, but you know, trying to convince me

(51:43):
that the other side has confused me and I'm doing
the opposite of what I wanted.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Wow, Wow, isn't it funny? Greg how they confused you.
So they lied to people about this petition drive so
they could convince people to take their name off it.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah, and worse, all under the banner of will of
the people. Don't mess you know, this is the will
of the people. And and and they did everything they
could to create a fog of war confusion, to make
people second guess what they were signing. You sign it
because you didn't like Jerry Vander. You sign it because
there's no such thing as a twenty four percent Kamala
Haara district in the state of Utah.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Legal women voters, Mormon Women for Ethical Government.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Uh huh doesn't sounded to make sure?

Speaker 1 (52:26):
All right, hour number three, come in your way, stay
with us.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Hey, by the way, I need to take Friday off.
There goes that streak.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Have you ever seen Liberty Village that they're building down there.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Is it impressive.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
I've seen I've seen renderings of it. Yeah, it's it's impressive.
It's going to even get more impressive the Washington County.
And I'm not kidding. They do see themselves kind of
like they want to be Liberty Land. They want they
want something that would be similar to like a Williamsburg
where kids on field trips, people could go there, learn
about the founding documents, everything found their father's amazing.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Yeah, a lot of we're being put into that. We've
had guests from that on the show before. Always a
lot of fun to talk to them. Well, the big
issue right now is the straight up horror moves. Will
ships be able to get through there?

Speaker 3 (53:13):
You know?

Speaker 1 (53:14):
I think I mentioned yesterday they're like one hundred and
seventeen tankers sitting in the Persian Gulf that can't get
through there. They've got seventeen I think it's a million
or billions barrels of oil. But then you have to
look at how the US is doing, and there has
been a new discovery in Alaska. Greg, this is pretty
amazing of natural gas. Now, the question is what are

(53:34):
we gonna do with it? Joining us on our newsmaker
line to talk all about it is Jay Varney. He
is with real clear investigations our James, how are you
welcome back to the Rotting Gig Show.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Thanks for joining us, James, Yeah, thanks for having me.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
James, tell us about this discovery in Alaska. When it
comes to natural gas, what did they find well.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
I think they probably knew that there was gas up
there for a while, right, because they've had the Trans
Alaskan pipeline that opened and like nineteen seventy eight, so
they've been moving oil from there, and it's not like
they've been cracking, but they know that there's gas, and
the proven reserves that they've established there between thirty and
thirty five trillion cubic feet. They sell natural gas by

(54:13):
the thousand cubic feet. There may be as much as
two hundred trillion, but you know, figures vary. So the
idea is we'll get this gas. You know, the pipeline
will follow more or less the same path that the
oil pipeline does now. It will supply gas to Alaskans
who are currently getting their natural gas from a spot

(54:36):
and a cook inlet, and apparently that's getting depleted. They're
actually talking about importing gas to Alaska, this energy rich state,
but some of it, about a third go there to
Alaskan use. The rest of it they want to export,
primarily to Asia. And as you guys were just talking
about a moment ago with the straits before moves and
everything that's going on in Iran, suddenly Alaska looks a

(54:58):
lot more attractive as a place to get your energy.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
So let me ask you this. Our environmental laws even
you know, there's laws on the books that I think
we're designed to stop the extraction industry, to stop Alaska
from being able to attap this for US as as
a country to be not only an energy independent at
energy exporters this right here, even if we have a
good president and President Trump and a visionary governor and

(55:23):
a Governor Dunleavy, it's going to take some time. And
in that time, can you get through the Army Corps
of engineers? Can you get through environmental impact studies? Can
you get through all the things that environmentalists have blocked
and put in the way to stop this kind of
infrastructure for fuel?

Speaker 5 (55:40):
Right? No, I mean that's a good question, because you're right,
a lot of projects are like that. Right when the
Excel pipeline looked like that was a done deal and
then the Biden administration came in and killed it. But
in this case, there isn't really that much concern on
the regulatory front from the sets, and that's because they
already have the pipeline that exists there, not bad the
environment was still if you can believe it, they're still

(56:02):
trying to shut that down, but this one would would
just follow that, and so consequently, it's not like they
have to get all these different permits and all this
new stuff. Secondly, if you do have an accident, god forbid,
it's not like the Exxon Valdis, everybody might remember that,
Oh thank er, you just lose the gas. So it's
not environmentally quite as big of a concern as the

(56:25):
oil pipeline is. And I think that there are some
regulatory concerns in the sense that the FEDS might want
to regulate the market. Right, you guys might remember that
Biden hit that pause lngxport.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Yes, yes, you know if.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
And you're right that whoever the administration is, whoever's in
charge of that, is going to have enormous influence on that.
And if a new one comes in in twenty twenty nine,
in theory, they could hit the pause button again. But
for now, it doesn't look like the Feds and the
Greens are trying to put a stop to that.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
You know, James, I'm so glad you brought up the
Trans Alaska pipeline because I remember as they were trying
to get that bill in the proposal. There was such
a outcry from environmentalist in this country over what would happen,
that there be leagues and damage. You rarely even here
or even think about it anymore. It's pretty amazing, isn't Yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:13):
It's just an incredible feat really of engineering. So they
were telling me that oil, I guess it goes. It
flows at a much warmer temperature than the gas does. Right,
so when they talk about LL and Z, they got
to chill the gas to minus two hundred and sixty
degrees fahrenheit. So this is going to run underground a
translation pipeline that all has to be above ground because

(57:36):
if they put it underground, the warmth of the oil
was like melt the tundra and destabilize the whole thing. So, yeah,
it is incredible, and you're right about how they you know,
these guys that want to just leave this stuff in
the ground, which I think is a little nuts. They
are still I was quite surprised by this. They are
still mounting legal challenges against this thing years after it

(57:57):
hit its peak. So at its peak they were moving
two point point one million barrels a day through that
and now it's about five hundred thousand, and as you
pointed out, the only accident I can remember was the
Valdis and that wasn't the pipeline.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yeah, yeah, that was totally different.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
Mess up from the crew. Right.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
So, James, I have a question. It's it's been a
rub and I think that that a lot of people
are talking about the high price of gasoline because of
the closure of the Strait of horm Moves, and this
is a I know, it's a global commodity and the
supply and demand if it's interrupted there. While that might
not impact us in the United States, it does globally
impact the supply. So I guess my question is if

(58:34):
we if President Trump told us that the US and
Venezuela have as much oil and gas as Saudi Arabia
and Russia combined, So if we were if we are
shoulder to shoulder with them, does increasing supply in Alaska
does that mitigate our vulnerability with the straight of Horror Moves.
Is that a workaround or does that thing have to
get resolved without regard to what we do in Alaska

(58:57):
for supply?

Speaker 5 (58:59):
Okay, well, I mean you're right that that is having
a huge impact on the oil and gas supply globally,
and the price the stuff that we're talking about here
in Alaska. None of it would be coming to the
forty nine states. It would all be, as we said,
either used by Alaskas or be exported. Now there's a

(59:20):
couple of reasons for that. One is that we're a
washing gas as this expert at UC San Diego is
telling me. And if you look at the prices for
the Gulf Coast I'm in New Orleans, all the gas
down there, it's very cheap. So the US is in
a good position. Of course, the Trump administration has endlessly
tried to tell people we're not getting our stuff through
the Straits of Formers. The countries that are like Europe

(59:44):
and whatnot apparently haven't been pulling their weight trying to
open it. So what this really is offering is a
chance for people that are like let's say Tokyo or
Soul or Taipei, these capitals along the Asian rim. Those
countries have to import virtually all of their energy and
what's going on in the Straits of Four Moves is
a huge problem for them. So this makes Alaska look attractive.

(01:00:06):
Dun Levy, who you mentioned the governor who was over
there in March of twenty five, saying, look, we're much
closer than the Middle East is, and the ships are
just going to be coming across the Pacific there. There's
no war going on there, so this is a much
more reliable source for you guys. We could have it
at a much more stable price. And then of course

(01:00:26):
there are of course economic benefits to the US in
terms of the jobs and the economy that it would
help in one of our states. But for our supply
this is kind of not significant. This won't really have
an impact on US supply.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
James.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
It is well known that I like to ask stupid questions,
So here comes one if if you're ready, James. You
know a lot of people are saying, wait a minute.
The President is talking about the fact that in this
country we're producing more oil than we ever have. We're
the leading export of oil in this country today. A
lot of people say, why aren't our price is lower
just because of what's going on in Iran and the

(01:01:03):
straight or horror moves My question and a lot of
people say, is because oil is a commodity traded internationally?
Is gas natural gas treated the same way?

Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
James you know, I can't give you a really precise
answer on that, so I don't think it is a
stupid question at all. Like oil right, Like oil right,
it's a barrel of oil. Everybody knows this is a
spot price for Brent crude or Venezuelans sour crude, whatever
it might be, and that's an understood thing. Gas, as

(01:01:34):
I said, they sell it by a thousand two big
feet and then it gets into tons and pounds. That
was flying all of them up. In fact, my editor
kind of a question like yours there, which was how
much gas are we talking about? What is going on here?
And it is not a very set market. It doesn't
seem to be the kind of thing where you and

(01:01:54):
I could go and look at the I was going
to say, the Wall Street Journal. I don't know how
much people actually get the print anymore, but go to
a place online and say what is the price of
gas natural gas and someone says, oh, it's thirty five dollars,
or oh it's ten dollars. But I know that they
would like to get day by being Glenn Farm, which
is the major company that's trying to develop this the

(01:02:15):
state of Alaska and is twenty five percent. Glenn farn
would like to get sixteen million tons or sixteen billion
tons locked up in deals. They're at thirteen billion now,
they tell me. So that's the kind of amounts that
they're talking about. The price. It is a weird thing,

(01:02:36):
and I can't really give you a straight answer.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Well, I'm glad I didn't ask you a stupid question
because it's difficult to understand. James as always great to
have you on the show. Thanks so much for joining us,
and enjoy the rest of your day. Thanks for having
me on now, James Varney, he's with real clear energy
talking at our investigations, I should say, talking about the
big natural gas find there in the last All right,

(01:03:00):
more coming up. It is the Rod and Greg Show
on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine kN rs.
You our favorite golf tournament underweigh in Augusta right now.
Roy McElroy in the lead, Scottie Scheffler not too far
behind to the names, and I think many of our
residents will our listeners will recognize speaking of the masters. Now,
you would think an event like this the goodies would

(01:03:22):
be expensive, right, Yeah, you would think you would assume
this when you like what do you pay for a
hot dog at Yankee Stadium anymore fifteen bucks or at
Dodger Dogs? Yeah, I mean it's not not not a
I saw this during when I couldn't believe this, but
apparently there is a post highlighting the price for food

(01:03:45):
at the Masters. Here's what it is. Sandwiches ranging from
a buck fifty to three dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Oh, that's that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Muffins are priced at two fifty, cookies and chips less
than that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Did you know what? It takes you like fifty k
to get the ticket and then and then they get
they get a dollar and a half sandwich, And it's
almost like rude that they have to only got it
gets to go the only way you get in that's
that golf course. You gotta pay zillions of dollars and
then you get a dollar fifty sandwich. Come on, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
I never get that popcorn and candy priced at two dollars.
Not bad, that's really good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
But you're right, you have to basically own a corporation
to get a ticket to that point.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
And I will say that I think one of the
things that the Masters tries to do is they do
try to embrace tradition. There's I mean that's it's you know,
of all the majors that usually go to different courses
every year, US opened somewhere different. You know, the PGA Championship,
this one is is always at Augusta. It starts off
the season. It's the first major, and so it's a
it's such a familiar course for so many people that

(01:04:48):
have watched over the years, and so they do love tradition.
They do love.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
One of my favorite stories of the day. I mentioned
this to you earlier. This video has gone a viral
and it is wild. It captured two women brawling over
the top of a coffin after they both realized they've
been dating the same dead man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
They should be trying to bring him back to life
so they could both beat him up. They somehow they
took it out on each other.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
The dramatic video erupted at the accused two timers wake
in Veracruz, Mexico, when the two morning women learn they
shared the same deceased lover.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Awkward, and you know how they found out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
One of the women heard the other woman whispering over
the castpit, I love I'm going to miss you forever.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Oh you're my love.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Excuse me?

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
The other woman going, uh, wait a minute, that's my love,
and I guess they start and even the top of
the cask.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Got nudged off.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Those cat fights get brutal. They'll rip hair, they clumps
the hair out of each other's head. You got to
watch out. That's the meanest fight. Yeah, you'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Yeah, that's a tough one. I love it. You know what,
you have to see the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Video or guy he was the guy. He's probably happy
to be dead at that moment. He doesn't he would
want to be there when the action's live. He's glad
he's moved on.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Do not want to get in the middle of that.
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
All right, more coming up Rodd and Greg with you
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
k NRS. Was it last summer that you and your
family went back to DC. Yes, August, Yeah, August of
last year, and you came back fuming.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Yes, I was on tilt. You not believe what I saw?

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Well, explain to people what happened and what what lit
your fuse?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Well, you know, kind of love history went to the
Smithsonian for the American History Museum, and I learned some
things I didn't know about American history. Turns out pt
Barnum Barnum Bailey Circus, that's about American imperialism. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
It wasn't about.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
The clowns or the elephants or the lions ticking the
head in the lion's mouth. No, this is about Americans
that wanted to take over the world. And the circus
allowed us to pretend that we were. That's why it
was popular. Then it showed a display of you know,
Roger Staubach, the you know, you know, he went to
Naval Academy, Okay, won the.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
High School Trophy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Cowboys served in the Vietnam and they put them right
next to Muhammad Ali, who was a conscientious objector who
did not want to draft Jodger, and they just wanted
to narrate these two great athletes and all that they did,
you know, because Rogers and just went a Heisman Trophy,
went on to win Super Bowls for the Cowboys. But
they've done great things, So you'd like to learn about that. No,

(01:07:30):
what you get to learn is that one didn't go
to Vietnam and one did it. And that's what you
get to learn about these two athletes. That's what it's
all about. So I found it to be just sadly
agenda driven and not a real true historical account of
some of America's moments and figures.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Well, the same thing is happening to historical figures all
around the country, as those the woke left wanted to.
I just point out the bat never about the great
things that many of our founders, the Americans, they hate.
A case in point a story now developing in Philadelphia,
the President's House. This is the site where I think
George Washington and John Adams may have lived when they

(01:08:09):
were president. Apparently there's some signage there that tells the
dark side of George Washington and not what this great
man has done for this country. Let's find out more
about that. Joining us right now, Jeffrey Anderson, President of
the American Main Street Initiative, Jeff, thanks for joining us today.
Let's find out about this. What exactly is taking place
right now at Washington's presidential home.

Speaker 14 (01:08:32):
Yeah, well, there are.

Speaker 15 (01:08:33):
Some horrible ones in the Smithsonian in Philadelphia at Independence Park,
not the most prominent site in our history, right across
the street from the Decoration of Independence was written and
was approved and where the Constitution was debated and approved.
There's the President's House where George Washington led ering most

(01:08:53):
of his presidency and then John Adams during most of
his and the President's House site is just an appalling
example has been of the of wokeness taking over at
the National Park Service. They managed to make George Washington,
the greatest hero of the American Revolution and really the
most essential American ever, be the most criticized person. Independence Park.

(01:09:16):
It was Visitors who've gone there have not found that
King George the Third was the most criticized person or
anything like that. It was George Washington himself and all
because he brought a few slaves with him north to
Philadelphia as president.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
You know this and this runs. This is consistent with
the way historians or whoever, you know, the people that
are doing this and trying to share America's history with
I think young people, but with everyone, they just want
to be They want to condemn this country instead of
looking at the things that helped found it and why
we were founded. You know, freedom of self determination, really
freedom of religion, these types of things. So my question

(01:09:52):
is there's been an attempt to try and put it
back into the perspective that's actually appropriate what happens at
George what we're two hundred and fifty years I already
feel like it's a muted celebration. I don't think any
I don't see it being as celebrated as I thought
it would be. At this point, we're in April. What
happens to George Washington's home in Philadelphia as we approached
this two hundred and fifty year aniversary.

Speaker 15 (01:10:14):
Well, so there's a major development there, and the Trump Administration,
to its great credit, has said that this site needs
to be redesigned. The Department of the Interior there under
President Trump and then the National Park Services part of
the Department of the Interior, have decided that this site
was inappropriate. I mean, it's beyond ridiculous to have a

(01:10:35):
hero like George Washington be so disparaged at his Philadelphia home.
And so they have redesigned the signs for the site,
and instead of constantly criticizing Washington, really the old signs
more or less made it sound like George Washington was
single handedly responsible for slavery in America, or if not
just Washington, then Washington a few other founders. Not that

(01:10:58):
it was something that was inherited from the British that
the Founders struggled to overcome. And I would argue the
Founding generation did more to eradicate slavery in the United
States than any other generation except for the one that's
spilled blood during the Civil War. And so rather than
that depiction, the new signs are just an extraordinary improvement.

(01:11:18):
It's night and day. They tell a much more nuanced,
complex story about slavery and about the house. It's not
in the house before. Was part of the problem was
it was entirely focused on slavery. Just about of the
thirty signs that were there, twenty five were on slavery
or race relations. Yeah, it's just amazing. The new signs
are still quite disproportionately focused on slavery because the Park

(01:11:42):
Service and the City of Philadelphia had a deal that
that would be a big part of the display, And
all of this is caught up in the federal courts
right now, so I think that's part of that. But
the signs now on slavery are just so much more
nuanced and complex and fair and even handed, all the
things that the left claims it believed in. But when
they see it in practice, they don't want anything to
do with it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
You know what frustrates me, Jeff, as we were reading
your story, is why did the courts get involved in
this anyways? I mean, I guess they have a right
to do this, But do the courts really need to
get involved. Kn't fair minded, common sense people sit down
and hash this out without having to go to a judge.

Speaker 15 (01:12:20):
Well, the city of Philadelphia wants this to be a
condemnation of Washington and the Founders. That's the problem. And
so they sued the Department of the Interior and said, oh,
you can't change this exhibit. And there were some agreements
struck in twenty ten when this was opened under the
presidency of Barack Obama. And I don't think those agreements
ultimately limit the Park Service from changing the signs and

(01:12:43):
talking about slavery in a much more intelligent and wide
ranging way and talking about it as it really was
something the founders really disliked and wanted to overcome and
largely set the nation on the course of overcoming. So
Philadelphia sued the the Trump administration, and then a federal
District Court judge named Cynthia Roofe, who was a George

(01:13:05):
w Bush appointee didn't really seem particularly interested in her
opinion in looking at the at the legal questions in
the case, and just sort of opined that this was
Orwellian and sided with the leftist activists. And so now
it's the case that has been appealed to the Third Circuit
Court and they will be the ones who decide the
next round of legal battles on this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
You mentioned in this article that the biographer Ron Turnout,
I mean, the guy's done Hamilton, you know that they
made into a musical, I mean and Grant, but especially
he's done a biography on on George Washington. It sounds
like a better and more a fairer description of this
founding father and our first president. He approves of am
I reading that writer. Is he part of the group

(01:13:47):
that wants his name sullied? I think you're writing that
he thinks it's glorious how he freed slaves and the
work that he did.

Speaker 15 (01:13:56):
Yeah, that was the word churn Now used that Washington's
decision to free his slaves upon death was glorious. The
Turnout biography, it's just called Washington a Life, is really good.
It's excellent It's perfect reading for the quarter millennial anniversary
of American Independence because it's a great reminder of just
how much we owe to George Washington. Page after page,

(01:14:18):
you just you wipe away all the years of neglect
and false claims against Washington. You start to realize why
Americans in the first many decades of our history thought
there was no question who the greatest American hero was.
So I think the wrong churnout biography is outstanding.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Do you have final question, where does it stand now?
Have things been changed or are we going to be
ready for a really complete, fair picture heading into two
fifty on July fourth?

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Where do things stand now?

Speaker 15 (01:14:46):
Over archingly or at this site?

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Yeah, at this site, at this site in particular.

Speaker 15 (01:14:50):
At this site that the excellent news signs are ready
to be hung up. My understanding is that many of
them have already been printed. It's just a matter of
getting the Third Circuit Court panel that will be hearing
the case. I think you know in the coming weeks
to rule that the Park Service can actually tell America's
story in a way that most Americans would want it
to be told, with facts and nuance and with a

(01:15:14):
proper celebration of our extraordinary founding and rather than condemning
our founding founders at every turn.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
I wouldn't hold our collective breath. If it's up to
a court, my guess is, jeff they may just drag
their feet. Do you do you foresee that possibly happening.

Speaker 15 (01:15:27):
Well, I think it's it's a priority of the Trump administration.
They really want these signs to be what they should
be by the fourth of July, if not earlier. And
so I think hopefully the courts will will do the
right thing, and hope hopefully, you know, they'll just apply
the law as written and then you know, and if
the Third Circuit Court doesn't rule in the trum administration's favor,

(01:15:49):
I would assume that they will try to appeal it
to the Supreme Court, but hopefully won't come to that,
and we can have some signs that really are fitting
for the President's House site right there across the street
from Independence Hall.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Jeffrey, thank you for joining us, Jeffrey Anderson, with the
American Main Street Initiative. And you know, I hope Greg
that as we celebrate our two hundred and fiftieth birthday
this year, that we can point out the good the
goodness of America and not have to highlight everything that
we didn't do.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Right, what country does this? What country goes and says, hey,
where this country? Look how crappy we are?

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Look at this?

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Look how like how racist we were? Look what we
did to people? Who does this? No one we have
let we got We've got the barbarians inside the gate,
I swear yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
And don't you think we all realized, Yeah, slavery was stupid,
it was a mistake, but we had to work our
way through, which we did.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
We did. By the way, It's just.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Slavery existed far before the United States was ever around.
And I'm telling you that when we keep looking at
history from the prism of twenty twenty six or at
any era, you're not going to see the same thing. No,
you have to put in the context of the world
as it was in the time that you're trying to understand.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Yeah, that's it, and you are so right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
And that doesn't excuse use it. That's just saying this
is history. Slavery has been around for effort since record.
I got five thousand years of record history, and I
don't think there's any moment there There wasn't someone talking
about enslaving someone. I'm not excusing it. I'm just saying
it's existed.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
It's been there long time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
More coming up final segment of the Rodd and Greg
Show on Utah's Talk Radio one O five to nine knrs.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
More.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
There is a new development in the controversy over the
commencement speaker at UVU. The Turning Point USA chapter at
Utah Valley University has now issued a statements from Caleb Chillcut,
who we tried to get on the show today. We
didn't get a response here. He was trying to track
him down, but here's the statement. I'll read it for
you real quickly. Hours immediately after Charlie's assassination, Sharon McMahon,

(01:17:46):
the commencement speaker, posted a now deleted series of out
of context quotes from Charlie in an effort to tarnish
his name and minimize the tragedy. Rather than offering condolences
or condemning political violence. It goes on to say, well,
universities should welcome diverse viewpoints. Platforming someone who treated a

(01:18:06):
who treated a historic and tragic political assassination not as
a moment of grieve, but as an opportunity to create
content is tone deaf and disrespectful to those who affect it,
especially on this campus. There are countless better alternatives, and
the fact that the university is choosing McMahon is entirely
disappointing to all of us still reeling from his loss.

(01:18:29):
I couldn't be more disappointed in the university for such
a hurtful or callous decision.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
Well put, yes, am, well it is, and I just
think that it's just if you want to the lightest touch,
the lightest touch would be its poor form. Yeah, it's
poor form. I mean, there's a lot worse you can
say about it, But if you wanted to be the nicest,
then you want to just say you don't that you
just don't understand why they do it. You tell them

(01:18:54):
it's really poor form.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Yeah, Well, here's a listener on our talk back line.
He wanted to make a coming about what's going on
down to UVU.

Speaker 10 (01:19:04):
Earlier, you were speaking about the commencement speaker at UVU,
MS McMahon. They should have asked Tyler Robinson to speak
h The insult to the students would be about the same.
This is the president of UVU's final salute using both
middle fingers as she bocks her way out the door.

(01:19:24):
If miss McMahon actually speaks, the students should stand and
turn their backs to her. What an insult to the.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Students, voycher is. And you know what great.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
You would think of university like UVU has smart people, right,
and highly intelligent people when you think you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Would think right institutional higher learning. It kind is in
the name.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
And as that discussion about who to get for a
commencement seeker, when her name came up, wouldn't somebody said,
you know, that may not be the best idea.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Look, I'll even give Beth doubt the day. You know,
she doesn't lead with it, probably in the whole, you know,
in the in the bio, so they don't see it
right away, but you got to do some due diligence.
And if you ever when they found out that her
comments mirrored the comments about Charlie Kirk that the assassin
shared as well, that should be a deal killer. Because

(01:20:18):
we both know people and that campus is full of students,
parents of students that were present for that horrific moment
on that campus less than a year ago. How you
could put someone on that after that occurred, was excusing,
was condemning Charlie Kirk excusing the assassination. How you could
make that the commencement speaker for the largest UVU graduating

(01:20:42):
class in school history blows my mind. It blows. There's
no sense to it, there's no logic to it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Yeah, And isn't VU now the biggest university in the state.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
I believe, I believe it is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Yep. I I just don't you know. I went to
that school and uh, and I don't recognize what's going on.
I said, I've hat it with higher ed. I've got
two kids, I've paid I got two degrees I've I've
paid for with these kids. And I'm telling you, I
hope it works. Degrees work because I'm telling you the
fact that my kids came out the other side and
they didn't become lunatics and leftists. I'm just grateful at

(01:21:16):
this point.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
Unlike the rest of the medium in this town, Greg
and I will stay on this story for you to
keep you up to date on any news developments, and
if you hear them, let us don't head up the
shoulders back. May God bless you and your family and
this great country of ours. We'll talk to you on
Fun Friday tomorrow at four

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